Even Dead, These Celebs Make More Than You Do
Just in time for Halloween, Forbes magazine has released its annual list of the Top-Earning Dead Celebrities, all of whom are raking in millions without doing a thing. Topping the list for the second year in a row is Elvis Presley, whose estate earned a hunka hunka burning cash—$52 million. Cartoonist Charles Schulz was second with $33 million, which is hardly “Peanuts.” Making his unfortunate debut on the list at number three is Heath Ledger with $20 million, mostly from his lucrative merchandising deal with the film “The Dark Knight.” Also new to the list is Paul Newman, whose salad dressings and other enterprises brought in $5 million. The most enduring icons on the list are Marilyn Monroe and James Dean, with $6.5 million and $5 million, respectively. Wonder how many of these are making more money dead than they did alive?
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November 12th, 2008 at 6:02 pm
I love Heath Ledger.
November 12th, 2008 at 6:07 pm
My mother would like this thread – especially if she got to look at that photo of ol’ swivel hips over and over.
November 12th, 2008 at 6:26 pm
Can’t you just hear him sing? I don’t know what words I am hearing but I love it.
November 16th, 2008 at 1:16 pm
AM, This article is interesting, for a number of reasons:
http://brit-s.net/03449/britney-spears-brother-bryan-to-take-control-of-her-fortune/
November 16th, 2008 at 8:43 pm
I’m here!
November 16th, 2008 at 8:47 pm
That Rolling Stone article is a tough read. It seems a little more real now.
November 16th, 2008 at 8:48 pm
From the timeline – i.e., the period during which Sam contacted Lynne about a jewelry promotion.
Apr. 23, 2007 – While waiting for Alli, Britney refers to her as “friend.” “I just can’t find my friend.” Alli is still an unknown to the paps’ interest.
http://x17online.com/celebrities/2007/04/index.php?page=4
Apr. 24, 2007 – Britney spotted working with JR Rotem on her “new album.”
Apr. 29?
Apr. 30, 2007 – Britney pulls through Del Taco with Alli. Brit wears red bra and see through sleeveless black dress. Semi admits to suspected House of Blues performance. Brit has been house shopping earlier in the day.
http://x17online.com/celebrities/2007/04/
May 17, 2007 – Britney fires bodyguard Tony Barretto for failing to pick up a hat. He later files a deposition in her child-custody case claiming to be witness to “nudity, drug use and safety issues” involving her kids. (MTV)
May 25, 2007 – Celeb gossip Web sites note that Alli Sims is a former friend of Avril Lavigne, and question whether Alli is a friend of Britney’s or just the hired help. (Celebitchy.com)
http://www.celebitchy.com/3999/britneys_cousin_alli_was_often_out_with_avril_lavigne_is_she_really_the_help/
May 29, 2007 – Britney posts her now-infamous “I was so lost” letter. “Till this day I don’t think it was alcohol or depression,” she writes of her behavior prior to rehab. “I was like a bad kid running around with ADD…” (MTV)
November 16th, 2008 at 8:50 pm
Shoot. Am awaiting moderation.
Apr. 29?
Apr. 30, 2007 – Britney pulls through Del Taco with Alli. Brit wears red bra and see through sleeveless black dress. Semi admits to suspected House of Blues performance. Brit has been house shopping earlier in the day.
http://x17online.com/celebrities/2007/04/
November 16th, 2008 at 8:50 pm
I’ve got to head out for a bit, but will keep my thinking hat on. I’ll be back when I have a brainwave.
November 16th, 2008 at 8:51 pm
Catch you later Steel. Thanks for the collaboration. You are a smart lady.
From the timeline – i.e., the period during which Sam contacted Lynne about a jewelry promotion.
Apr. 23, 2007 – While waiting for Alli, Britney refers to her as “friend.” “I just can’t find my friend.” Alli is still an unknown to the paps’ interest.
http://x17online.com/celebrities/2007/04/index.php?page=4
Apr. 24, 2007 – Britney spotted working with JR Rotem on her “new album.”
November 16th, 2008 at 8:52 pm
May 17, 2007 – Britney fires bodyguard Tony Barretto for failing to pick up a hat. He later files a deposition in her child-custody case claiming to be witness to “nudity, drug use and safety issues” involving her kids. (MTV)
May 25, 2007 – Celeb gossip Web sites note that Alli Sims is a former friend of Avril Lavigne, and question whether Alli is a friend of Britney’s or just the hired help. (Celebitchy.com)
http://www.celebitchy.com/3999/britneys_cousin_alli_was_often_out_with_avril_lavigne_is_she_really_the_help/
May 29, 2007 – Britney posts her now-infamous “I was so lost” letter. “Till this day I don’t think it was alcohol or depression,” she writes of her behavior prior to rehab. “I was like a bad kid running around with ADD…” (MTV)
November 16th, 2008 at 8:54 pm
April 23, 2007. um.. I think it was Allie who was videotaped saying she was waiting for her “friend.” Not Britney? Doesn’t matter unless she’s waiting for Sam or Claus. Moving on.
November 16th, 2008 at 9:18 pm
By April 29th, X refers to her as “Cousin Allie.” So they know who she is by then.
Allie probably appeared around February, if that’s when Kalie made her exit.
November 16th, 2008 at 9:19 pm
Remember, Sam called Kalie some time between December and February. We just need to nail down whether Sam called Kalie first, or Sam called Lynne first.
…Right? Or time for some mouthwash?
November 16th, 2008 at 11:20 pm
I found you guys
November 16th, 2008 at 11:21 pm
I posted this in the other thread. I’ll post it here:
small hands Says:
November 16th, 2008 at 11:12 pm
AM—I find it strange that Lynne is concerned about jewelry deals/endorsements during a time like that.
About Allie, Allie has been in Britney’s life for yrs. There photos of Britney, Allie, and Laura Lynne from 2002. As much as some may not like Allie, I don’t think Lynne is being very truthful by saying she was her assistant. I believe Allie and Britney are cousins through marriage. Allie’s grandmother is married to Britney’s grandfather. Or something like that. That is how they know each other. Maybe not by blood, but through marriage.
November 16th, 2008 at 11:23 pm
I feel cheated, Ama didn’t say who I was trying to help in all this mess! Kevin, his lawyers, etc., HAHAHA.
November 16th, 2008 at 11:29 pm
Alright small!
Good lord. Did I miss something? Back to the other thread I go but I am staying here otherwise.
November 16th, 2008 at 11:29 pm
lol small. I get it now. duh
November 16th, 2008 at 11:30 pm
Apparently calling K-Fed a douchebag isn’t enough. What do I have to do to get some relief around here?! LOL
November 16th, 2008 at 11:30 pm
No mouthwash Steel. Sam called Khalie first based on the time frame.
November 16th, 2008 at 11:32 pm
I am going to make a comment. Ama, prove you have some exclusive or know Adnan or are a better person than any of us of back the f up.
November 16th, 2008 at 11:33 pm
correction: OR back the f up.
Serious. Chill. You’ve become a trouble maker in my eyes. Holier than thou, suspicious of all.
And a controller.
November 16th, 2008 at 11:35 pm
…Eek! I didn’t even go that far. I was just willing to repeat…
KEVIN FEDERLINE IS A DOUCHEBAG.
There. I’ve done my duty. It’s out. Done.
November 16th, 2008 at 11:42 pm
Small, a few questions.
You’re the mother of a famous sought after celebrity. You don’t ask when someone calls your private cell, “How did you get my number?”
I feel that this whole chapter if not the others are selective in the telling.
Sorry Lynne. This chapter did not work for me. So much for God and him telling you what to do through Lorille Craker.
What was so embarrassing that Lynne couldn’t or wouldn’t talk about? If you are going to come clean come clean.
November 16th, 2008 at 11:42 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
November 16th, 2008 at 11:30 pm
No mouthwash Steel. Sam called Khalie first based on the time frame.
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So Sam called Kalie, saying he worked for Kevin Federline as a private investigator. THEN he called Lynn about jewelry. Hmm.
November 16th, 2008 at 11:45 pm
Yeh Steel. Do you agree as to time frame? He called Kahlie first. According to Kahlie and the Rolling Stone she met with him because he said Federline had wire taps etc. After twenty minutes and stalkerish questions, Khalie left the Starbucks.
November 16th, 2008 at 11:46 pm
Wasn’t Allie aligned with K-Fed at some point? Allie was with Britney the Britney had her head shaved.
November 16th, 2008 at 11:47 pm
correction: the night Britney shaved her hair off.
November 16th, 2008 at 11:48 pm
Wait.
Sam called Khalie and then he called Lynne about the warning about drugs planted at Britney’s house.
I have asked repeatedly. How did he get the numbers to this very private world?
November 16th, 2008 at 11:48 pm
So…
Sam is buddies with K-Fed (?)
Sam is buddies with Lynn (?)
K-Fed and Lynn won’t let Brit see her babies until she agrees to go to Rehab.
So how did Brit end up being buddies with K-Fed and Lynne’s private investigator/jewelry agent?
Wouldn’t that be what Lutfi was to Lynn? An agent? Finding her commercials to appear in and endorsement deals to partake in? Is there a better word agent?
November 16th, 2008 at 11:49 pm
For those out of country, it takes about 50 cents to a dollar to get a non-published number, on a monthly basis.
November 16th, 2008 at 11:50 pm
Steel at 11:48.
I don’t think Lynne and K-Fed were buddies just that they aligned.
I get over and over (aren’t you guys?) that Lynne trusted in others more than in her own daughter. Over and over and over and over and over.
November 16th, 2008 at 11:51 pm
It took her friend KELLY to come over to her house to talk about Jamie Lynne and how none of us mothers would send our daughters away before Lynne took action.
C’mon people.
November 16th, 2008 at 11:54 pm
AM, I posted at the same time as you and didn’t see your comment about the phone call about drugs.
I agree on Lynn and K-Fed aligning. Not buddies, just aligning.
November 16th, 2008 at 11:56 pm
I iterate that people believe what they want to believe…
Oh and let’s talk about men since we haven’t done that and it’s part of the case.
Lynne Spear seems to be part of that era where a woman’s value was dependent on her attraction to others.
“You can’t keep a man,” is an expression from the South.
From my own mother’s era and northern background we still get it, “What does your husband think?”
Who cares what he thinks?! Why doesn’t what I think say, do, be the bigger thing that matters?
Can we please have our differences but consider this? I do not aim to rake Lynne over the coals but really, what a silly woman (as she didn’t tell us what was really going on in that chapter.)
I am decades from her.
November 16th, 2008 at 11:56 pm
oops extraneous italics
November 16th, 2008 at 11:59 pm
Steel you are a talented gifted researcher. Do not let the comments by others throw you. You are gifted, ok? An asset to this board and the story of Britney Spears.
Let go of whatever happened outside of here.
I tip my hat to someone who has not posted here (on this thread) yet today. And I thank her.
November 16th, 2008 at 11:59 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
November 16th, 2008 at 11:48 pm
Sam called Khalie and then he called Lynne about the warning about drugs planted at Britney’s house.
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…And then he called her about jewelry? And then about shoe endorsements? And she still met with him? Hmm.
November 16th, 2008 at 11:59 pm
Hence my encouragement to you Steel.
November 17th, 2008 at 12:00 am
I always wondered how/why Sam and Britney met. That has never been clear to me. It still isn’t. I read so much about this in past, that it has completely confused me. Seriously. I always assumed Sam knew the entire family way before Britney was ever actually seen in photos with Sam. Or at least that is why x17 always implied.
AM–it seems to me that Lynne listened to everyone BUT her daughter. Britney was the one she should have been listening to all this time. Which is why I always blame EVERYBODY for where Britney is right now. It makes me furious.
I’ll be back in a few hrs. I hate coming in out and out. But at least I’ve found you
November 17th, 2008 at 12:03 am
Small you surely have a comment about Steel at 11:59.
I don’t wish to insult Lynne. She is a woman raised in whatever times with whatever parents and apparently so early cut off from connections attached to Britney?
Here’s the undercurrent for me. TELEVISION.
Lynne was vulnerable for whatever reason. Did she think TV would bring her man back, Britney back, what? Whatever it was she was vulnerable and is not talking in her book … not fully. Not the way she could have.
She still walked whatever road she thought she could walk. It didn’t help Britney at all. Gosh dang it. Admit something.
Small. I am not using the full f word on Ronnie’s board.
November 17th, 2008 at 12:04 am
She must have fantasized. I’m not saying that’s bad but come clean. You f’d up and you took this man’s calls.. and you ran over to Britney’s house to look for drugs.
Legitimately? Why didn’t you just call Britney? Allie had the key to the house? You could trust in Allie because?
You knew her from K-Fed?
November 17th, 2008 at 12:05 am
AM…the whole thing about men–I completely understand.
My mother and I disagree when I talk back/argue with my oldest brother. She claime I have to respect and not argue. I claim, I can respect him and disagree. In my mom’s world, I’m suppose to sit back and take shit. Not in my world. Completely different worlds.
November 17th, 2008 at 12:08 am
Hmmmm…maybe I shouldn’t be cussing. I’ll bite my tongue and use much more pleasant language.
November 17th, 2008 at 12:09 am
Be back later.
November 17th, 2008 at 12:14 am
…LOL! Don’t worry, small. I date boys with long hair and tattoos. I wasn’t offended!
November 17th, 2008 at 12:15 am
methyst Mine Says:
November 17th, 2008 at 12:04 am
She must have fantasized. I’m not saying that’s bad but come clean. You f’d up and you took this man’s calls.. and you ran over to Britney’s house to look for drugs.
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…You don’t think her and Sam were…gettin’ it ON, do you?!
November 17th, 2008 at 12:18 am
Lynne and Sam? Wow.. as flirtation? I am sure he made her feel good.
Admission. I have posed in a reputable magazine. But it took some cajoling, flattering and so on to be at ease.
Did Sam make Lynne feel attractive, desirable?
“You would be the perfect person for our jewelry and shoe line.”
Small. I love the f word and many other words.
November 17th, 2008 at 12:19 am
I think Lynne’s book is about, “But it’s still a good world. God has a plan.”
Small. Don’t you ever give up or give in. Our mothers…well god bless them.
November 17th, 2008 at 12:23 am
Let’s be real though. I can’t believe she fell for it.
I believe right now she was anti-Brit at those points.
Why should she care if Britney divorced her husband? oh the punishment in Lynne’s circle….
But Lynne divorced. She said it was a hard choice that it wasn’t done etc.
Would you believe she blames/gives credit to the kids for seeing it (her and Jamie) wasn’t going to work? Can you imagine being Britney and asking, “Mom do you want to live through this?”
Forgive if I just don’t feel like looking through the book for her exact words. I posted them otherwise so..
November 17th, 2008 at 12:23 am
Lynne must have taken quite a heap (outcast) for letting her daughter act the way she was.
November 17th, 2008 at 12:24 am
No mouthwash Steel. Let’s just spit together. You too small. One two three. Spit!
November 17th, 2008 at 12:32 am
I should add to Lynne’s book, “I’m forgiven right? God and his plan.”
She’s confused and deserves to be barked at.
November 17th, 2008 at 2:15 am
Amethyst Mine Says:
November 17th, 2008 at 12:19 am
I think Lynne’s book is about, “But it’s still a good world. God has a plan.”
Small. Don’t you ever give up or give in. Our mothers…well god bless them.
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Of course! Who doesn’t. When I give up or give in, it’s because you get tired of arguing. Running in circles and never finding a middle ground. So what do I do, I stop, let her think she’s right, and then slowly lead her to my way of thinking lol. When she’s finally there, she doesn’t even realize that that was what I was trying to get her to understand. I know strange, but it works. It takes a while.
November 17th, 2008 at 2:17 am
Steel, I don’t think Sam and Lynne were together or anything. There is a lot we don’t know and we may never know. Too many holes.
November 17th, 2008 at 2:25 am
…LOL!
small, I was just joking! That’s a pair I just don’t even want to think about!
November 17th, 2008 at 2:26 am
I need to learn how to make all those little faces…My weird sense of humour doesn’t convey very well in type.
November 17th, 2008 at 3:44 am
HAHAHA….after I posted it, I thought “I think that was sarcasm”. I’m an idiot sometimes lol.
November 17th, 2008 at 9:52 am
small, I just typed it out wrong. The word “ON” should’ve been prounounced “AAAAAWN!” (Or something like that…You know what I mean…)
…LOL!
November 17th, 2008 at 3:38 pm
Afternoon.
I am remembering KLM’s manners.
November 17th, 2008 at 3:55 pm
Somehow those seemed to have gone out the window yesterday, eh? Spitting, cussing…What a bunch we are!
November 17th, 2008 at 3:59 pm
You were right Steel.
“Britney Touring Inc. (“BTI”) is a corporation organized and existing under the laws of the State of Louisiana with its principal place of business in New York, New York. BTI is a concert tour production company for Britney Spears.”
http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/spears/britneyliberty205cmp.html
November 17th, 2008 at 4:01 pm
Good work, AM.
November 17th, 2008 at 4:02 pm
New York, New York…I wonder if that’s because Larry is from New York?
November 17th, 2008 at 4:03 pm
That was just a side thought. Doesn’t matter.
So Brit’s concert tour production company was immediately made part of the jurisdiction (if you want to call it that) of Jamie and her Lawyer. But the rest of her corporations were not. There must have been a reason for that.
I’m guessing it’s due to the numerous lawsuits against it that had to be dealt with. Particularly, the WEG suit.
November 17th, 2008 at 4:06 pm
Do we know which corporations Grossman was the accountant for? I’m guessing he had nothing to do with the BTI corporation, so that’s why he’s been left out of the suit.
That’s good, because it makes things a little easier to deal with.
We could probably assume that Lutfi (and Grossman) were not involved with BTI. That simplifies things a bit. (Maybe.)
November 17th, 2008 at 4:07 pm
Steel. We went through this before but I didn’t understand it as well as I might today. yes yes concentrate on BTI. I hear you.
8. Defendant, BRITNEY TOURING, INC. (hereinafter referred to as “BTI”) is a Louisiana corporation doing business in Florida for, and on behalf of,SPEARS and BTI, and is registered to do business in Florida, had a registered agent in Florida, and filed Florida income tax returns at times relevant to this Complaint.
Upon information and belief, BTI is wholly owned and controlled by SPEARS as a “Controlled Entity” as defined by paragraph one (1) of the Personal
Management Agreement (hereinafter the “Agreement” and attached hereto as Exhibit A) and BTI is both contractually and vicariously liable.
SPEARS formed and/or utilized other “Controlled Entities” at times relevant to the claims herein to generate Gross Receipts, including but not limited to: Britney Brands, Inc. formed on March 18, 1999; Britney Films, Ltd., formed on
April 17, 2000; Britney Television, LLC, formed on September 12, 2000; The Britney Spears Foundation formed on October 5, 2001; Britney On-Line, Inc. formed on October 18, 2001; Britney Management Corporation formed on August
27, 2002; One More Time Music, Inc.; and SJB Revocable Trust (hereinafter collectively referred to as the “Controlled Entities”)
November 17th, 2008 at 4:09 pm
I wonder why WEG sued only BTI, and not her other corporations…Wasn’t he supposed to get a percentage of EVERYTHING?
Maybe…
Maybe the other corporations had submitted their financials to WEG, and BTI was the only one that hadn’t.
Does that fit?
November 17th, 2008 at 4:11 pm
Ah, the gross receipts from the other corporations…You’re already one step ahead of me.
November 17th, 2008 at 4:15 pm
forgot to post the link but I’ve posted it before
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/weg_complaint.pdf
November 17th, 2008 at 4:17 pm
small hands Says:
November 17th, 2008 at 12:00 am
I always wondered how/why Sam and Britney met. That has never been clear to me. It still isn’t. I read so much about this in past, that it has completely confused me. Seriously. I always assumed Sam knew the entire family way before Britney was ever actually seen in photos with Sam. Or at least that is why x17 always implied.
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small, For some reason, I think the answer to this is going to tie everything together. The WEG suit, the existing C-Ship…
Just call it a gut feeling. And if I’m wrong, then I’ll have to order in that crow-strength soap to wash my mouth out.
November 17th, 2008 at 4:22 pm
This is the part that I’m having a hard time explaining to Ama. When I’m looking at a story printed in the media, I’m not looking at what it says so much as what it DIDN’T say. I’m looking at the legal aspects, the way the media has spun the story.
It has nothing to do with digging up dirt on Britney. The damage has already been done there. It probably couldn’t get any worse for her than it already is.
What I’m looking for is something to reverse that damage. It’s not that I can do anything for her as a person…But it’s a darn good way to pass the time while I wait for my computer to process whatever it’s doing.
November 17th, 2008 at 4:24 pm
I refuse to fry my brain today but …
41. Upon information and belief, SPEARS and BTI concealed from WEG a series of negotiations and agreements for otherwise commissionable Gross
Receipts payable to WEG, thus diverting those commissions to SPEARS, directly or indirectly, or to corporate entities, without the knowledge, consent, or agreement of WEG, both before and after termination of the Agreement.
November 17th, 2008 at 4:25 pm
TMZ says it was not alcohol. http://www.tmz.com/category/britney-spears/
November 17th, 2008 at 4:28 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
November 17th, 2008 at 4:24 pm
I refuse to fry my brain today but …
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BLAM!
AM, there it is. Remember our ganga freind’s last question to us?
WHO GOT PAID?
November 17th, 2008 at 4:29 pm
I’m avoiding using his name on this thread. We all know how Lurkers like to Google.
November 17th, 2008 at 4:34 pm
Some thoughts:
41. Upon information and belief,
>>> Who gave WEG this information? Somebody is blabbing.
SPEARS and BTI concealed from WEG a series of negotiations and agreements for otherwise commissionable Gross
Receipts payable to WEG, thus diverting those commissions to SPEARS, directly or indirectly,
>>> Directly or indirectly…That could mean that Britney isn’t being paid outright, but that she’s a shareholder being paid dividends. Or something to that effect.
or to corporate entities, without the knowledge, consent, or agreement of WEG, both before and after termination of the Agreement.
>>> So the money may not have gone to Britney, but to a corporate entity.
November 17th, 2008 at 4:35 pm
Let’s compare notes. Controlled Entities = artist in the Wright case. In other words WEG didn’t have to go after each company, just accounting from the artist on all of her businesses as it applied to gross receipts.
But otherwise? BTI is a separate company from the others? I imagine BTI was the biggest and most immediate pie to secure.
We don’t know what extent Grossman was the accountant for this or that. It was up to Britney to provide accounting to WEG and that didn’t happen. So Howard was or is protected in that he is not part of the contract. Maybe WEG was happy with the Final Judgment that was later turned over.
I am ignoring Ama for a few days. Nothing personal. I would just rather have peace.
November 17th, 2008 at 4:36 pm
AM, Let’s be careful here. This COULD be why Pa doesn’t want her taking the stand. WEG’s lawyers may want to ask her about this missing money. This is not good for her.
However…
I think we know darn well that Brit herself was very unlikely to have set up her own Corporation to funnel money into. Someone (if it has been done at all – this is just a WEG allegation for now) may have done this either, a) on her behalf, or b) without her knowing.
November 17th, 2008 at 4:40 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
November 17th, 2008 at 4:24 pm
I refuse to fry my brain today but …
41. Upon information and belief, SPEARS and BTI concealed from WEG a series of negotiations and agreements for otherwise commissionable Gross
Receipts payable to WEG, thus diverting those commissions to SPEARS, directly or indirectly, or to corporate entities, without the knowledge, consent, or agreement of WEG, both before and after termination of the Agreement.
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When exactly was the Agreement terminated? Sorry if you mentioned it already, but I forgot.
November 17th, 2008 at 4:41 pm
I’m going to trust that Mr. Ganga isn’t leading us down a path that is hurtful for Brit. So…That means that somebody else is getting paid.
Yep, let’s leave this thread for some good research. It’s the reason why we post to these dead threads – so that they’re NOT public. If we want to have spats we could meet up in a new thread and have a battle royal there. LOL!
November 17th, 2008 at 4:45 pm
small hands Says:
November 17th, 2008 at 4:40 pm
When exactly was the Agreement terminated? Sorry if you mentioned it already, but I forgot.
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Wright ceased being Brit’s manager in what? 2003? The agreement was supposed to extend to what? 2009?
But payments stopped in December 2006. This is a key date. This MIGHT be when money may have started being diverted into a new corporation of some kind.
November 17th, 2008 at 4:45 pm
hey everyone. thanks for the notes while i’ve been away. happy to be back and see y’all still at it! i had a great time and feel great.
November 17th, 2008 at 4:46 pm
BAM indeed!
Got it. The moment I read about information etc. means somebody .. tipped them off. Sam again? Sam was the stoolie or fall guy, so who was the punyman?
Britney could take the stand and say I don’t know. Or that Sam brought papers for me to sign. Or whatever the situation was. Sam and I visited Grossman. He had papers to sign.
Did she have capacity? If she did sign anything might a case be made for null and void of any documents? I don’t know. Sometimes I read she had a “breakdown” but Lynne tells us that in both instances it was Sam or orchestrated the 5150s.
I wish Lynne would have told us whether her crew actually went to Dance with the Stars. Was Sam able to get her in as he said he could? The days of NSYNCH take us straight to Johnny Wright. Joey Trafone. I don’t suspect the performer just Sam thought Lynne and crew would want to go, and Lynne might have been both interested and feeling safe with such an old “friend” as Joey.
November 17th, 2008 at 4:47 pm
Hi Ronnie! Long time no see.
AM, You’re going to have to help small with those dates. I gotta run for a bit. Will pop in soon.
November 17th, 2008 at 4:47 pm
Welcome back Ronnie
Glad you had a great time!
November 17th, 2008 at 4:48 pm
Maybe Britney was offered the invite to the show and Sam was going to show his credibility by giving the invite to Lynne?
Lynne presumes that Sam was trying to see her to get into Britney’s life. Is that right? What if she was wrong? What if it was something else he wanted from her?
November 17th, 2008 at 4:49 pm
December 2006? Larry Rudolph was back in her life at that time, wasn’t he?
November 17th, 2008 at 4:50 pm
Hiya! What a pleasure Ronnie thank you!
small I’ll be right back with you but for now the “management” part of the agreement was terminated in February 2003 by Spears and Rudolph I believe but there were supposed to “sunset” payments to WEG through Feb 2008.
November 17th, 2008 at 4:51 pm
About this Dancing with the Stars, I remember a rumor floating around about that time that Lynne and Jamie Lynn went to the show. Supposedly, afterwards, they had dinner with Shar Jackson, Kevin’s ex. It was only a rumor at the time. There were never photos of them together.
November 17th, 2008 at 4:52 pm
Steel, small hands, and anyone else interested in research: I agree. Let’s keep the b.s. out and leave it to research and analysis.
Someone doesn’t appreciate or understand the words “being thorough” or looking at things from different angles.
November 17th, 2008 at 4:54 pm
Wow — that’s some rumor small. Wow. There were reports that Lynne and company went to the show?
Meanwhile from the complaint in answer to your query:
19. On February 21, 2001, SPEARS, after consulting with her attorney Rudolph, signed an amendment extending the Agreement (Exhibit C,
“Amendment”), to provide a termination date of February 20, 2003, and a “sunset” on payment of commissions to February 20, 2008
November 17th, 2008 at 5:06 pm
AM, I’d forgotten that she’d let Larry go once she married K-Fed! But small is right – he did re-appear as soon as the divorce was filed.
Remember how he went skating with her in December 2006 (I just remember that pom-pom hat she wore!) It wasn’t long after he was the one chosen to “roll up his sleeves” and send her to Rehab.
Side notes.
November 17th, 2008 at 5:12 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
November 17th, 2008 at 4:54 pm
19. On February 21, 2001, SPEARS, after consulting with her attorney Rudolph
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So Larry was not just her Manager. He was her “Attorney.” Hmm.
November 17th, 2008 at 5:12 pm
She filed for divorce early Nov. She was ice skating(phot op) w/ Rudolph soon after. And yes Larry was “the chosen one” to get her into rehab.
If payments stopped in Dec 2006, then who was making those payments before. Why did they stop? I’m wondering if Larry had something to do with it. Gosh, so much info.
November 17th, 2008 at 5:12 pm
btb I think chit chat is fine — who doesn’t love levity? It’s just the snipes by one person.
Sorry if I sound out of line but we suddenly seem sooooo serious.
November 17th, 2008 at 5:14 pm
Larry is actually an attorney. Lynne asked him to be Britney’s manager back when she first started because she trusted him.
November 17th, 2008 at 5:14 pm
I’m cool with levity.
November 17th, 2008 at 5:14 pm
I doubt Larry had anything to do with it. He was not her accountant and he and Johnny go back to 1999 I believe.
I am thinking Grossman and/or the like – type.
November 17th, 2008 at 5:15 pm
I guess we are all thinking that Britney wouldn’t have knowingly done it? She was going to babysit for Wright (thank you small!) per the Blackout liner right?
November 17th, 2008 at 5:16 pm
That DWTS rumor, it was on a gossip site. TMZ or X. I used to read X a lot at the time. But I have since boycotted them. I do read TMZ. As much as I hate the way they write their stories, they are on top of the legal stuff, so it’s reliable.
I’m going to go look for that Dancing With the Stars rumor.
November 17th, 2008 at 5:17 pm
Blackout didn’t have liner notes.
The “Britney” CD did I believe. Which is the one Wright cited in the legal docs I think.
November 17th, 2008 at 5:19 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
November 17th, 2008 at 5:14 pm
I am thinking Grossman and/or the like – type.
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I agree with both of you.
a) If a new corporation was set up, Larry, as an attorney, could have assisted with this.
b) The WEG papers said that there were a number of accountants between December and October (when the suit was filed), and that none of them paid.
Hmmm…
And, c) If were were to concentrate on a new corporation vs. missed payments…
The WEG may say there were “missed payments,” but what they might be doing is using the suit as a way to open the door for an investigation into a hidden corporation.
My gut is telling me that a hidden corporation is where we’re going to find some hidden money.
November 17th, 2008 at 5:25 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
November 17th, 2008 at 4:46 pm
The moment I read about information etc. means somebody .. tipped them off. Sam again? Sam was the stoolie or fall guy, so who was the punyman?
>>> I agree that Sam appears to be the fall guy in all of this.
Britney could take the stand and say I don’t know. Or that Sam brought papers for me to sign. Or whatever the situation was. Sam and I visited Grossman. He had papers to sign.
>>> AM, The papers were probably signed BEFORE Sam entered the scene. December 2006.
I’m guessing that if Sam’s a fall guy, it’s because he found out about it and told Wright. But that’s just a guess.
November 17th, 2008 at 5:27 pm
Steel. WEG did say they got some money but with no accounting to explain what the money was for.
Someone new???
Did they say musical chairs with accountants or just musical chairs with business managers? Or both?
November 17th, 2008 at 5:29 pm
http://74.125.95.104/search?q=cache:3UkElq_hUXwJ:www.radaronline.com/exclusives/weg_complaint.pdf radaronline BTI louisiana&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=us
The Complaint in HTML searchable format. I am not seeing musical accountants but I will look again.
November 17th, 2008 at 5:30 pm
I know that last post is a whole new way of thinking about Sam. But remember, he wanted control, and the best way for him to do that was to make everyone else look bad so that he could look good.
‘Cause he sure wasn’t very good at making himself look good on his own!
Sam reminds me of…Girls at the beach. All competing in their bikinis. “Oh, look how skinny she is – she must be anorexic.” Tearing others down to make themselves look good.
November 17th, 2008 at 5:30 pm
If that does work try googling radaronline BTI louisiana
November 17th, 2008 at 5:31 pm
correction: if that doesn’t work
November 17th, 2008 at 5:32 pm
Sidenote on Brit, Lynne and Sam. Brintney was in Orlando doing her house of Blues maybe when Sam made his second call?
November 17th, 2008 at 5:34 pm
I can’t find that rumor date.
November 17th, 2008 at 5:35 pm
34. SPEARS, directly and via her Controlled Entities, continued to pay WEG its commissions on “LPs 1, 2, 3″ (earlier albums recorded by SPEARS pursuant to the Zomba Recording Agreement) through December 26, 2006.
35. On or about November, 2003 representatives of WEG had discussions with representatives of SPEARS, and WEG was told that a new amendment to the Agreement was possible and that WEG would continue to receive its commissions.
36. WEG sent a request for earned commissions on record royalties for albums 2 and 3 (LPs 2, 3) and for an accounting under the Agreement, but
SPEARS has failed to pay or properly account to WEG.
November 17th, 2008 at 5:35 pm
I’ll be back later.
November 17th, 2008 at 5:39 pm
Hello busy girls.
Ronnie, glad to hear you’re well deserved vacation was enjoyable. It’s great to have you back!
November 17th, 2008 at 5:40 pm
oops, your
November 17th, 2008 at 5:42 pm
38. WEG sent additional requests to SPEARS in a good faith attempt to obtain audits, full accountings, and commissions from SPEARS. WEG’S Communications were answered with inducements from SPEARS’ attorneys and agents to forbear legal action. (does this mean hey WEG give us time???)
39. SPEARS’ actions, through her agents, induced WEG into inaction rather than to pursue WEG’S rights under the Agreement. (sure babe take your time)
November 17th, 2008 at 5:48 pm
Your what MH?
Hello to you too!
So Ronnie – sorry for the concentration. How was your vacation?
November 17th, 2008 at 6:21 pm
I was correcting a typo…you’re/your.
November 17th, 2008 at 6:26 pm
OH and here you had me in great suspense.
November 17th, 2008 at 7:12 pm
I didn’t know Shar Jackson and Jason Alexander were friends — back to at least December 2006?
And there are naked pics of Jason Alexander that Shar saw?
She said so in an interview in 2007 with Perez Hilton.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNX6XpqWVR0
begins @ 4:46
Doesn’t mean anything. It’s a relationship I hadn’t known of. More of the picture.
November 17th, 2008 at 7:29 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
November 17th, 2008 at 5:35 pm
34. SPEARS, directly and via her Controlled Entities, continued to pay WEG its commissions on “LPs 1, 2, 3″ (earlier albums recorded by SPEARS pursuant to the Zomba Recording Agreement) through December 26, 2006.
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What dates did Brit enter and exit rehab? There were three times throughout Jan/Feb, and leading into March…
Who would’ve been in charge of her financials while she was in Rehab? Would she have signed everything over to someone while she was in there?
November 17th, 2008 at 7:44 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
November 17th, 2008 at 5:42 pm
38. WEG sent additional requests to SPEARS in a good faith attempt to obtain audits, full accountings, and commissions from SPEARS. WEG’S Communications were answered with inducements from SPEARS’ attorneys and agents to forbear legal action. (does this mean hey WEG give us time???)
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Prior to December 26, 2008, how often did Spears’ crew submit audits? E.g. What was the first date they missed?
November 17th, 2008 at 7:48 pm
Feb. 14, 2007 – Britney checks into Crossroads Centre, a rehab facility on the Caribbean island of Antigua, only to check out a day later. (MTV)
Feb. 20, 2007 – Checks into Promises Malibu Alcohol and Drug Rehab Treatment Facility in Malibu, California, only to check out less than 24 hours later. (MTV)
Feb. 22, 2007 – Checks back into Promises, as Kevin asks the court for an emergency hearing to help sort out custody issues. (MTV)
March 20, 2007 – Britney completes her program at Promises, as Kevin celebrates his 29th birthday. (MTV)
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Might Brit have handed over her financial powers some time during this? (I don’t know what the “procedure” is for entering Rehab! LOL)
November 17th, 2008 at 8:22 pm
I have no specifics on the date payments were stopped. The strangest part of that was that WEG got some payments but no accounting (as though they got a check, here’s some money but no specifics as to what the money was for or rather … detailed?)
One wonders what went down between Paris, Lohan, and Britney that Britney was either cut off or went her own way in December. I think anyway, right?
I don’t think I’d take my eye off of someone(s) coming into the picture at about that time.
Britney was ripe. The punyman if there was one is masterful. Attorney. Should we give the punyman a new name? I got kind of burned out on him and we no longer have any symbolic connection to the Wizard of Oz. Oz was more Adnan’s story or spin of his part of the story.
November 17th, 2008 at 8:33 pm
AM, I think we’ll meet up with that at the end. It’s okay to push that aside for now…It WILL reveal itself.
Look at the facts. Key dates. Actions, as MH said.
It’s starting to become clearer the further we go.
November 17th, 2008 at 8:35 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
November 17th, 2008 at 8:22 pm
I have no specifics on the date payments were stopped. The strangest part of that was that WEG got some payments but no accounting (as though they got a check, here’s some money but no specifics as to what the money was for or rather … detailed?)
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This maybe isn’t strange at all. They wanted WEG off their back. But they didn’t want to turn over the accounting.
Perhaps the accounting would reveal things they didn’t want WEG to see.
November 17th, 2008 at 8:37 pm
I’m guessing that a new corporation was created. Money from BTI could have gone into this.
Is there any way to find out if this was done?
November 17th, 2008 at 8:46 pm
I think it is above my talents Steel. I am all for trying. I love challenge.
Maybe it’s not so above my head as it would take money? e.g., money to certain databases … otherwise contacts in L.A.
I’ll think on it but I am with you as far as money funneled off in another direction that Britney wouldn’t have noticed. At all. Why? She trusted some people and when life got to hell did she want to look at financial statements and accounting?
Not in my opinion. She came from Lynne who seems to have looked everywhere but into her own mind for the right thing to do. Hell. Jamie Lynne’s bags were packed?
Also so many handlers and decisions being made and so on. And then her son was so young and I do believe in some of this post partum depression or upset and the hurts of Kevin.
That must have sucked ass seeing Shar and Jason Alexander together so soon, talking in interviews together. ouch
I think we may agree though the money was funneled. Now did someone blab that or did someone want WEG do see that to bring Britney further to ruin.
The timing of WEG is not a coincidence I think. They got or thought they were “tipped off” and they took action. It sounds like up until then they were ok ok get you reps get your shit together and we won’ head to court.
Who were the reps? And who were the attorneys asking for time and how did they justify the time?
Think of a really good story one WEG would believe and back down to.
November 17th, 2008 at 8:47 pm
Ronnie? We are a buried thread. I think it’s ok to express ourselves now and then, just not to newcomers. Afterall, we’ve been together more eleven months and some longer than that when they came over from FPX.
November 17th, 2008 at 8:48 pm
p.s. I am not naive anymore. We are buried until someone comes looking.
November 17th, 2008 at 9:00 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
November 17th, 2008 at 8:46 pm
I think we may agree though the money was funneled. Now did someone blab that or did someone want WEG do see that to bring Britney further to ruin.
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The further Brit fell, the less money WEG would make. I would think it’s in their best interest for Brit to do well. Now that I think about it.
Think of the Q-Factor.
November 17th, 2008 at 9:02 pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q_Score
November 17th, 2008 at 9:05 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
November 17th, 2008 at 8:46 pm
Also so many handlers and decisions being made and so on. And then her son was so young and I do believe in some of this post partum depression or upset and the hurts of Kevin.
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What are the laws in CA in regards to financials and marriage? Wait, she had a pre-nup.
But the marriage had recently fallen apart. She was falling apart. Perhaps her handlers thought it a good time to get their hands in the cookie jar before K-Fed got his grubby mitts in there.
November 17th, 2008 at 9:06 pm
Q Score…
High Q-Score = Big $$ for WEG
Low Q-Score = Little $$ for WEG
November 17th, 2008 at 9:06 pm
Steel. Why would it have to be a corporation that was formed. Why not just funnel the money and make it look like it was a corporation?
Guess we will find out what is public information and what is not. If WEG knew the corporation(s) might they have named them? Was it a blind accusation, a guess, or a tip off?
November 17th, 2008 at 9:10 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
November 17th, 2008 at 9:06 pm
Steel. Why would it have to be a corporation that was formed. Why not just funnel the money and make it look like it was a corporation?
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True. Doesn’t have to be a corporation. Could just be something like…
http://www.tmz.com/2007/06/13/does-britney-strip-for-cash/
November 17th, 2008 at 9:13 pm
Steel. I am not sure WEG is the enemy. They just want their money fair and square. Maybe.
But let’s play your Q-Factor.
Fact is, MANY others made MORE money the worse she did. The more she fell the more tabloids for example earned. Serious cash enough to entrance investors, advertisers a whole parlay of other businesses.
So let’s say the that was part of the tipster’s goal — that and ultimate control of one Britney Spears.
I hate to bring up Anna Nicole Smith and I know that Hollywood is small but … her case is not a poor one to look at and learn from as to technique.
The better Britney does now to me anyhow, the more the “good guys” make money.
What did the tipster say? It’s all going to hell so if you want your money best go for it now? I doubt that.
They probably went that extra step in making Britney look arrogant etc — I mean that Rolling Stones article sucks. I felt like the reporter saw things, wrote things that she didn’t trust in but believed and wanted to believe the nasties about Britney.
It would have been so much easier to believe. “Sam has been the one” to hold her together. That was in the Stone’s article.. oh and Sam is a jovial person… etc. So the reporter got lured in in as much as she saw something was wrong? I don’t know. That’s why we are here.
November 17th, 2008 at 9:15 pm
Britney was “boring” when she was married to K-Fed. Am I right? Her marrying him was a betrayal to someone.
November 17th, 2008 at 9:17 pm
Having kids? even worse.
Some time ago I found a breakdown of how magazines sell and demographics. I don’t need that for here.
Fact. Adnan said it. And I am sorry Adnan that I can not quote you off hand but they don’t like happiness in Hollywood: it does not sell unless it is a fairy tale … say commoner Lady Di marries the prince and future king. Big headlines.
It was said that some of the prenup was leaked to the public and if not? Maybe someone gained new access to the financials and thought aha: gold mine.
November 17th, 2008 at 9:19 pm
Let’s drive back in. Money funnel not necessarily into a corporation. How to hide it. In books. So maybe it looks like it’s going to WEG but it’s not?
November 17th, 2008 at 9:21 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
November 17th, 2008 at 9:13 pm
Steel. I am not sure WEG is the enemy. They just want their money fair and square. Maybe.
But let’s play your Q-Factor.
Fact is, MANY others made MORE money the worse she did. The more she fell the more tabloids for example earned. Serious cash enough to entrance investors, advertisers a whole parlay of other businesses.
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Good points. Maybe WEG simply started reading the TMZ articles, or heard rumours about how Sam had a deal with X, and decided they should get a piece of THAT pie.
But I don’t know…Touring and endorsements are BIG money. They’re Wright’s forte. And a lot easier to account for – if Brit were to simply hand over the audits.
November 17th, 2008 at 9:23 pm
I’m logging off soon at least for awhile. If Polar Bear reads where we started she should be able to find us.
Nice hint to her though Steel.
November 17th, 2008 at 10:14 pm
I just don’t think WEG is the ultimate villain.
And I do believe there is one? (oh we know of many to be sure but … maybe we should call him Maestro?)
Maestro is not clever but it is focused. I wonder that the pin-stripe is on another table as well.
Steel .. we never figured out the manpower of bring Streisand, Northern Trust and Grossman together.
November 17th, 2008 at 10:30 pm
My query would be, “How did that happen so fast?”
Who of credibility gets Streisand not only on the phone but into court?
The goal at the time was to transfer c-ship to Grossman and Northern Trust right? Not to free Britney at all from c-ship.
When Streisand went to court was he representing Britney (he hadn’t been clued in I guess that Britney couldn’t choose an attorney)? Why was Streisand picked? It might have been a matter of other partners being unable to move so quick or not wanting their names associated.
It was Britney’s attorneys who got back to WEG. I don’t really know what forbearance means but I did try to understand the legal definitions I found and apply them to what I read.
Did I read it right? Give us more time?
November 17th, 2008 at 10:43 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
November 17th, 2008 at 9:13 pm Steel. I am not sure WEG is the enemy. They just want their money fair and square. Maybe.
I agree.
November 17th, 2008 at 10:45 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
November 17th, 2008 at 4:24 pm
I refuse to fry my brain today but …
41. Upon information and belief, SPEARS and BTI concealed from WEG a series of negotiations and agreements for otherwise commissionable Gross
Receipts payable to WEG, thus diverting those commissions to SPEARS, directly or indirectly, or to corporate entities
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December 26, 2006 until October 2006. Focus on this and you will solve the riddle.
November 17th, 2008 at 10:47 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
November 17th, 2008 at 10:14 pm
I just don’t think WEG is the ultimate villain.
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I don’t think they’re a villain either. They’re just doing their jobs. Collecting what was already in the contract.
BTI. Commissionable receipts. Concealment. December 2006 to October 2006.
BLAM.
November 17th, 2008 at 11:02 pm
Correction…I don’t think they’re THE villain. Just want their money fair and square.
November 18th, 2008 at 1:01 am
ok so three of us are going a certain direction.
maybe
BLAM. Wright deserves monies owed. He’s not asking for anything odd.
December 2006 through October 2007 and beyond Steel. Feb. 2008. That’s what WEG was owed and is due.
The culprit(s) then is …
Spears and WEG had a reasonable relationship through Feb. 2003. When did she marry Kevin again or rather why didn’t Britney/Rudolph re-up with Wright?
Steel.. ignore October. We’re talking up through the parties “sunset” agreement up through February 2008 when their deal expired.
November 18th, 2008 at 1:10 am
Whomever paid the bills up through December 2006 was outed or encouraged to get out. There might have been a threat.
From the outside looking in, who leaves a good job?
The stuff of Hollywood almost always comes from a base of what can happen, may happen, has happen, could happen.
Brit’s payer left or was beaten down into silence.
I believe in Britney Spears. I just wonder why in current days more isn’t done to out people. If that sounds like I am blaming it on other people … Britney was looking to the left when she should have had a swivel head.
(NFL football term — what a pity.// Moving on to MH’s actions. And I think that too may relate to the NFL. Ganga man isn’t here right now. Shall we try football? That’s a real man’s game.)
Argh. Glad we found a place to talk without “emotion.” [I'm working on it MH. I am!]
Steel. I have more time than you. Who would you call what would you ask? Send me out girls.
November 18th, 2008 at 1:21 am
Let’s round table this for a moment.
Let’s assume Johnny is nice guy. There were people who went against Pearlman and left Johnny out of it or rather indeed they took Johnny on their side.
But someone coming into Britney’s life later sees an opportunity on the books: The most likely place to make money. BTI.
Divert the money from Johnny afterall Brit and he are probably not speaking. ….
November 18th, 2008 at 1:28 am
So maybe let’s pick out the character or characters who might have seen this gain…
What are accountants about? Control? Many were privy to spiral or looking ridiculous in public. They piece it together.
What about the attorney(s) who blew it off and asked for time (I iterate, I don’t know what forbear really means).
Was the estate ever in jeopardy from December 2006 to October 2007 when things were ca-rah-zee?
Johnny is due his money. What caused MAJOR distrust between him and Britney?
November 18th, 2008 at 1:31 am
cryptic sorry this: What are accountants about? Control? Many were privy to spiral or looking ridiculous in public. They piece it together.
Many were privy to the spiral of Spears .. or her looking ridiculous in public. The “smart guys” piece it together…
November 18th, 2008 at 1:51 am
Well, let’s try baby steps…It makes it easier to do it in little increments.
BTI wasn’t just being sued by WEG. There’ve been various lawsuits against it and by it.
One major one was BY the corporation against insurance companies when she hurt her knee and had to cancel her Onyx Hotel Tour:
http://www.buzzle.com/editorials/2-14-2005-65740.asp
Who won that suit? BTI or the Insurance Companies?
November 18th, 2008 at 1:53 am
Sorry, that wasn’t a baby step. That was a leap. But it gives us an idea as to timelines.
The company would’ve had huge influxes of money coming in during each of her tours. The tours sound like they almost ran back to back. Her marrying K-Fed and getting pregnant was probably a BAD thing for BTI, because it meant no money coming in.
November 18th, 2008 at 1:56 am
Amethyst Mine Says:
November 18th, 2008 at 1:28 am
What caused MAJOR distrust between him and Britney?
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I’m guessing Wright barely knew about the suit until it was time to file it. Or, I mean that it was his accountants and lawyers dealing with all of this, for the most part. He was probably too busy working with Justin and Janet and doing his job – managing – to be involved in the actual paperwork stuff. Just a thought.
November 18th, 2008 at 1:58 am
And then there’s this lawsuit:
http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/2006/06/britney-mom-sued-by-paparazzi-dude/
Why are Lynne and BTI named in the suit? Is Lynne an employee of BTI?
November 18th, 2008 at 1:59 am
And then there’s this minor suit by some bodyguards who didn’t get paid:
http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/2006/06/three-bodyguards-want-back-pay-from-britney/
There’s probably countless lawsuits like that one.
November 18th, 2008 at 2:03 am
Then there’s this one with Sketchers:
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0EIN/is_/ai_98680970
Looks like Britney Touring Inc. got dragged into that one (on top of Britney Brands Inc.) because part of the deal involved Sketchers sponsoring her tour.
November 18th, 2008 at 2:04 am
Ah, I could probably find about 100 more. Needless to say, whoever was doing the accounting on this had a tough job on their hands.
November 18th, 2008 at 2:09 am
Amethyst Mine Says:
November 18th, 2008 at 1:10 am
Whomever paid the bills up through December 2006 was outed or encouraged to get out. There might have been a threat. From the outside looking in, who leaves a good job?
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AM, I really was serious when I said that following the divorce, Brit began firing everyone around her. Actually, she started doing it when she hooked up with K-Fed (I’d forgotten about it until I re-read that Rolling Stone article). But it really intensified in December 2006, following the announcement of the divorce.
It sounds to me like she trusted NOBODY. But what would provoke her to start distrusting everyone, her parents included?
Something happened. Something. Is this where the connection to Sam comes in? I don’t know…But somehow, in the end, EVERYBODY else was out, and only he and Allie were left.
Was it Lutfi’s control? Or did she really have a REASON to distrust everyone?
November 18th, 2008 at 2:12 am
From the Rolling Stone article:
Ghalib gets on the phone with Rolling Stone because he’s a fan of the magazine. “You must understand something about Britney,” he says, in arguing her side of the story. “People turned on her. They were only there when the getting was good. She has become very Columbo-esque — she acts a certain way so that people don’t think she’s intelligent, and then people volunteer information, and she is able to put together what is going on. It’s not the blogs or magazines or the people on the street she cares about. She knows that the people who had a responsibility to support her bailed out and is very hurt by their actions.”
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/18310562/cover_story_the_tragedy_of_britney_spears/print
November 18th, 2008 at 2:22 am
It sounds to me like Rehab was the final straw:
http://gossip.commongate.com/post/Britney_speaks_IT_S_MY_TIME
It’s one thing to watch the video, but another to read the text of what she says. Mom. Management. Anger towards both for believing everything they hear and not trusting in HER.
>>> Remind me in the morning to track down who was in charge of her finances while she was in Rehab.
Okay, last post. Time for bed…Sorry for all the reading…I should be more concise!
November 18th, 2008 at 2:30 am
I lied…Another thought…
When Brit married K-Fed, her companies such as “Britney Brands Inc.” wouldn’t have been affected. There would’ve been continued sales of stinkwater, etc.
However, when she married K-Fed, the tours stopped. So BTI would’ve taken a big hit. And then, when she released Blackout, she didn’t tour for that either.
But…
She DID do that little House of Blues mini-tour. Where did the money go that was generated by that? It wouldn’t have generated much of anything, but it might give us a clue as to how things were being run at the time. Just an idea.
Goodnight.
P.S…AM, it might be helpful to understand WHO worked for BTI. Does Lynn work for BTI? As what? The cheques that Lutfi had for her…Where did that money come from?
November 18th, 2008 at 11:43 am
Steel. Don’t worry about being concise or tired or whatever. Here is someone else’s synopsis of the book.
http://popwatch.ew.com/popwatch/2008/10/i-read-it-so-yo.html?xid=rss-popwatch-20081001-I Read It So You Don’t Have To: Lynne Spears’ memoir
So Lynn was doing the fan club and website (which one?) so she was likely employed by BTI?
When Lutfi approached her it didn’t sound like Lynne had any irons in the fire. I wonder when Lynne was cut from BTI.
I am guessing things were icy between Lynne and K-Fed before or close to the divorce. Britney didn’t run home to Mom. She went ice skating with Larry. She did go home for Christmas though…
Lynne was not for the marriage between Britney and K-Fed, “She knew full well that I felt things were moving way to fast, and I didn’t understand why she and Kevin had to get married in such short order. Why not just date and see what happens?” I am betting Lynne was not for the divorce either.
November 18th, 2008 at 11:48 am
Amethyst Mine Says:
November 18th, 2008 at 11:43 am
So Lynn was doing the fan club and website (which one?) so she was likely employed by BTI?
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Hmm…Fan club and Web site are likely part of Britney Brands Inc. But I’m not positive.
There would be a number of people employed by BTI. Tour directors, choreographers – all those people that are needed to put on those mammoth world tours.
Someone needs to hire all of those people. And then that someone would need to ensure that there’s enough money in the pot that all of those people can get paid.
I’m thinking THAT’s the level we need to be thinking about, in terms of BTI. Who runs it, and who manages the money?
November 18th, 2008 at 11:51 am
Also…
WEG is alleging that money that SHOULD have gone into BTI is possibly being re-routed into something else. To some other person or corporation that they don’t have knowledge of.
Except…They do have SOME knowledge of it. The lawsuit mentions ongoing “negotiations” for the money to go somewhere else.
Negotiations. Re-routing. Someone knew about it and blabbed.
November 18th, 2008 at 12:00 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
November 18th, 2008 at 11:43 am
When Lutfi approached her it didn’t sound like Lynne had any irons in the fire. I wonder when Lynne was cut from BTI.
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Zoinks! I’d forgotten that Lynne used to run Brit’s Web site and Fan Club.
Remember when her site sat for months and months, and all it said was, “From mother to grandmother, and my my you’re grand”?
I always took it that Brit was delivering a personal message to Lynne – repeating back to her something Lynne had said to her.
I wonder if she FIRED Lynne from her job?!
November 18th, 2008 at 12:06 pm
This is a horrible thought…but…I’ll just put it out there…
I’ve heard the allegation a number of times that “the entire family lived off Britney.”
What if…Brit was angry at Lynne for sending her to Rehab. So she fired her from the Web Site and Fan Club (and whatever else she worked on). Lynne would suddenly be left without a job (which explains the reason she would be talking to Lutfi about jewelry and endorsement deals for Jamie Lynne).
What if…A new corporation was set up, unbeknownst to Brit, to “help” mama pay the bills?
November 18th, 2008 at 12:10 pm
It would be interesting to find the date that Brit’s former Web site was removed and replaced with that gaudy “roaring tiger.” And then the date that, “From mother to grandmother, And my, my you’re grand,” appeared on the site.
I wonder where that fits in the timeline…
November 18th, 2008 at 12:28 pm
Shoot. I just missed my workout.
November 18th, 2008 at 12:29 pm
steel. Do you remember the name of the website? Was it the old britneyspears.com?
November 18th, 2008 at 12:30 pm
Yeppers. http://www.archive.org/web/web.php
The endorsement was not for Jamie Lynn btw and it wasn’t an endorsement but a chance to meet a “top hollywood agent.” Lynne and Jackie thought he would be great for Jackie’s son.
November 18th, 2008 at 12:35 pm
I think my pop-blockers are preventing me from seeing the old site.
November 18th, 2008 at 12:53 pm
Steel. Let me catch up. Remember I knew scant about Britney back in January. I was able to get to a 2004 version of britneyspears.com
There was a “Lynne’s corner…”
http://web.archive.org/web/20040923090443/http://www.britneyspears.com/
November 18th, 2008 at 1:06 pm
May 18, 2007 (I am not sure I believe the last couple of years as time frame….Maybe it’s more like one year? While she was still pregnant?)
“For a long time, she left it to her mother to write reasonably regular “Lynne’s Corner” messages, but fans were usually disappointed that these told them more about Britney’s family than about her, and they never said ANYTHING about her plans or her work. Then, a couple of years ago, Britney informed fans that SHE would be taking over and writing messages herself.
And for a while, she did. She told us directly that she was taking a break and wouldn’t be touring for a couple of years. She told us that talk of her retirement was “harsh”. She expressed her excitement about the things going on in her personal life, especially her pregnancy.
There were also the “Stream Of Consciousness” examples of Britney’s spirituality and other-worldliness. It’s hard to know whether to file the latest message in that category (since it’s just a thank-you) but it certainly seems like it. I’m sure that by “this brighter state” she means not only her post-rehab happiness and healthiness but also a feeling of being reconnected to God. ”
http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:C2mjjMuEzLAJ:britneyology.com/blog/page_4.html “lynne’s corner” spears 2006&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=8&gl=us
November 18th, 2008 at 4:02 pm
Steel. I think what is most likely is a) BTI is obviously the big winner and b) Howard Grossman here to known as Howie was involved.
I would imagine there was a sense of urgency and that is how Jamie got it in the first place?
When was Howie served notice? I’ll go peek then compare to activities in Orlando.
November 18th, 2008 at 4:04 pm
Now did Sam demand money for Grossman or from BTI?
November 18th, 2008 at 4:13 pm
Steel. Follow my thinking on this one keeping BTI in mind.
Grossman arranged for the meeting between Adam Streisant who claimed to represent the singer in court.
Grossman also authored the Mercedes to be delivered. Query: From her home or a dealer? Did Grossman have authority and “cash” or account at the Mercedes dealer?
Who was the mystery man in Brit’s car the day she was released? Didn’t she stop and strand him?
February 4, 2008
“TMZ is in the courtroom where attorney Adam Streisand just asked the court commissioner to 86 Jamie Spears as conservator of Brit’s estate.
Streisand said Brit’s estate is worth $40 million. He also said Brit is in the middle of a $17 million IRS audit with her record label Jive Records and she has 15 different businesses.
Streisand asked that the Commissioner name Northern Trust Bank and Howard Grossman, Brit’s business manager, as conservators.
Here’s the rub– the Commish wasn’t convinced that Streisand, the second cousin of Babs, was properly retained by Britney.”
We are following the money…
http://www.tmz.com/2008/02/04/lawyer-says-brit-worth-40-million/
November 18th, 2008 at 4:21 pm
‘”Mr. Grossman [Brit's business manager] told me that he had numerous e-mails from Osama (Sam) Lutfi in which Mr. Lutfi made various demands, including demands for money,” writes Britney’s lawyer Jeryll Cohen in the court documents. “Mr. Grossman told me he did not comply with Mr. Lutfi’s demands.”
Anyone can make any accusation in a court document, whether it’s true or not,” Lutfi spokesman Michael Sands tells Radar “Any person who works for another person should be paid. This is the American work ethic.”‘
Fresh Intelligence 2/18/08
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2008/02/everybody-just-wants-to-be.php
November 18th, 2008 at 4:22 pm
I read that and think, okay, not a CPA and not someone who was managing her career.
He was managing her business?
November 18th, 2008 at 4:30 pm
Getting there.
Remember Eardley?
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2008/02/james-spears-unfit-for-britney-spears.php
(as reported on 2/25 @ Fresh Intelligence, Radaronline)
Eardley said in his motion:
‘ • “There are financial issues which involve the possible misappropriation of assets.”
(snip)
With more time, Eardley writes, he’ll offer the court evidence of money theft from Spears. In closing, he asks that the motion to put her in conservatorship be yanked or that Britney herself be allowed to attend a hearing in state court asap.
Eardley also states clearly in the new motion that he is, without a doubt, Spears legitimate counsel, that he was retained by her on or about February 12, 2008, and that he has “spoken with her on several occasions. The last time she attempted to call me, the telephone was taken away from her, and the number was disconnected the next day.” ‘
November 18th, 2008 at 4:31 pm
I think the motion was filed Feb 8?
November 18th, 2008 at 4:34 pm
“All throughout the latest Spears drama, Sands has been hinting at massive conspiracies.”
snip
‘The only way Sands will spill what he knows and how he knows it, he says, is in a closed-door, sealed testimony. Otherwise, he says he’s pleading the Fifth. In other words, the world at large might never know what the hell he means when he hints at massive sums of misappropriated pop star funds, racketeering, RICO act violations, and more in relations to Spears financial situation. The deposition, which he says he’s completely opposed to, will, in effect, lock down information that should get out. “How I met Sam [Lutfi] and how I met Jon [Eardley], people are very interested in the intricacies, which they may never know,” Sands laments.’
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2008/02/brits-jilted-lawyer-this-is-far-from-over.php
November 18th, 2008 at 4:38 pm
Let’s stop for a moment. What does a closed-door, sealed testimony do for him? What’s the RICO act?
Steel, they must have set things up so Grossman couldn’t take a fall…so who were they going to pin it on? Or. Who was Sands afraid of? Who were they all serving besides themselves and the gravy train?
Did they somehow set up Jamie to be the Fall Guy for WEG and others and to conceal their tracks?
You bet Howard refused to hand over any documents. I want to go back through the list of everything he was asked for. It was long and comprehensive.
November 18th, 2008 at 4:39 pm
Steel. Where are you? We’re finally on a real roll?
November 18th, 2008 at 4:41 pm
>>What’s the RICO act?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RICO_(law)
November 18th, 2008 at 4:47 pm
Wiki
“The Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act (commonly referred to as RICO Act or RICO) is a United States federal law that provides for extended penalties for criminal acts performed as part of an ongoing criminal organization. It also provides a civil cause of action for those injured by violations of the act. RICO was enacted by section 901(a) of the Organized Crime Control Act of 1970 (Pub.L. 91-452, 84 Stat. 922, enacted October 15, 1970). RICO is codified as Chapter 96 of Title 18 of the United States Code, 18 U.S.C. § 1961–1968. It was intended to make it easier to prosecute organized crime figures, but has been applied in several other cases as well.
It has been speculated that the name and acronym were selected in a sly reference to the movie Little Caesar, which featured a notorious gangster named Rico. The original drafter of the bill, G. Robert Blakey, refused to confirm or deny this.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racketeer_Influenced_and_Corrupt_Organizations_Act
November 18th, 2008 at 4:48 pm
Ganja: I wouldn’t want to touch a bone this smelly.
(not an exact quote and maybe it is .. it’s close to what Ganja said)
November 18th, 2008 at 4:51 pm
So I don’t think Bryan and Taback were trying to wrestle anything from Papa. They were well within their right they said but sited consolidation as something Brit wanted in 2004?
but let’s just say there was a shitload of work (investigations, recovery, lawsuits) to do and Papa couldn’t handle it all on his own.
November 18th, 2008 at 4:52 pm
And maybe Bryan and Taback didn’t want to the quarries and related parties to know of their pursuits.
Oh I am not sure now. I felt red hot a little earlier…
November 18th, 2008 at 4:53 pm
Thanks MH. Sorry I double posted.
Do you have two cents on where Steel and I are going? Or where I went today?
November 18th, 2008 at 5:07 pm
I am looking at things through a different lens. I know we have covered some things before but I or perhaps we had a different mindset.
ok — Eardley tried to push the c-ship into Federal court.
Someone from in the “federal government” Sands says introduced him and Lutfi.
Man. Where is the quote or video on that? Sands got a call from Sam and that’s where it started, Sands says.
‘And the allegations of drugging Britney? As Sands said last night on Larry King Live, “Sam has been mixing Britney’s medication cocktail that bipolar people take…. If he drugged her, she wouldn’t be out on the streets running around.” Unless he was feeding her speed or, say, Adderall. Britney’s hospital trip, Sands explains, was a bad reaction to drugs she was prescribed. “He’s removed illegal drug dealers from Britney’s environment,” Sands says.’
But wait, Sands, earlier you said this to Radar, “We’re here to help Britney. This is not about Sam Lutfi. This is all about a person who is bipolar.”
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2008/02/michael-sands-publicist-sam-lutfi.php
November 18th, 2008 at 5:08 pm
Is the punyman at the Federal court level?
November 18th, 2008 at 5:25 pm
AM, I have a tight deadline today. Should be free in a bit.
My thoughts are going on a different path, but you’re putting things together in a great way – but from the other end. It’s as if you’re writing the final chapter, while I’m writing the “foreword.”
Before you go too far…
Ganga Man said he wouldn’t want to touch a bone this smelly. There’s a reason for that. I wouldn’t touch that bone either, if the smell is going to linger.
November 18th, 2008 at 5:27 pm
AM, Try to forget the Punyman for a while.
Just look at the facts – the numbers, the media reports. You might have better luck that way. They will lead you to him in due time.
November 18th, 2008 at 5:28 pm
Let me go back to Orange County. If two subpoenas or sets of interrogatories were sent to BTI then doesn’t that suggest there were two parties?
Like I said. The first time I thought it was a clerical error. But look:
11/16/2007 P-A SUMMONS SERVED ON 11/01/2007 AS TO BRITNEY TOURING INC
11/16/2007 P-A SUMMONS SERVED ON 11/01/2007 AS TO BRITNEY SPEARS
11/16/2007 P-A SUMMONS SERVED ON 11/09/2007 AS TO BRITNEY TOURING INC
Look at the different dates of SERVICE.
November 18th, 2008 at 5:29 pm
But the Summons were issued on the same day.
November 18th, 2008 at 5:31 pm
AM, It’s possible that BTI was NOT the big winner. It’s possible that a third party got the funds that were intended for BTI.
P.S. Good eye on the dates of service.
November 18th, 2008 at 5:41 pm
Nevermind. In the Affidavits in support of Default Judgment only one Britney Spears and one BTI are listed as served….
okay but wait. If Howard was out of the picture the day these affidavits were offered, why would anyone offer an affidavit of service to Grossman in court?
Also there were two Britneys and two BTIs listed on the summons but I think that the two Britneys WAS a clerical error but not the two BTIs.
I wish someone would please be a second pair of eyes on the Orange Co docs?
And small — where are you today?
November 18th, 2008 at 5:42 pm
Thanks Steel. I do tend to go all over the map and leaving out the punyman for smart is wise.
November 18th, 2008 at 5:47 pm
3x this many times can not be an error
10/27/2007 P-B SUMMONS/NOTICE TO BE ISSUED
10/27/2007 P-B SUMMONS/NOTICE TO BE ISSUED
10/27/2007 P-B SUMMONS/NOTICE TO BE ISSUED
One of the following is an error:
10/29/2007 SUMMONS ISSUED ELECTRONICALLY AS TO BRITTANY TOURING INC
10/29/2007 SUMMONS ISSUED ELECTRONICALLY AS TO BRITNEY SPEARS
10/29/2007 SUMMONS ISSUED ELECTRONICALLY AS TO BRITNEY SPEARS
10/29/2007 SUMMONS ISSUED ELECTRONICALLY AS TO BRITNEY TOURING INC
Different dates of service:
11/16/2007 P-A SUMMONS SERVED ON 11/01/2007 AS TO BRITNEY TOURING INC
11/16/2007 P-A SUMMONS SERVED ON 11/01/2007 AS TO BRITNEY SPEARS
11/16/2007 P-A SUMMONS SERVED ON 11/09/2007 AS TO BRITNEY TOURING INC
Just the two:
12/18/2007 DEFAULT ENTERED BY THE CLERK AS TO BRITNEY SPEARS
12/18/2007 DEFAULT ENTERED BY THE CLERK AS TO BRITNEY TOURING INC
Because the other guy doesn’t have to pay? Because he’s just the “business manager?” Not a co-owner…. but a figurehead nonetheless?
Then finally:
4/14/2008 P-A EXHIBITS IN SUPPORT OF E – AFFIDAVIT OF SERVICE OF PROCESS ON BTI
4/14/2008 P-A EXHIBITS IN SUPPORT OF D – AFFIDAVIT OF PROCESS SERVER ERIC ZEID
4/14/2008 P-A EXHIBITS IN SUPPORT OF D – VIDEO OF SERVICE OF PROCESS
4/14/2008 P-A EXHIBITS IN SUPPORT OF B – AFFIDAVIT OF SERVICE ON SPEARS
November 18th, 2008 at 6:01 pm
Steel, I hope you know that everything I posted today on Sands, Earley etc was to look at what they said.
Then to spin it as it really might have been before Jamie stepped in. In other words I read things they accused Jamie of, as though they were the ones who had been doing it.
November 18th, 2008 at 6:11 pm
ala Jordan (thanks bh)
http://sky1.sky.com/britney-on-marriage
http://sky1.sky.com/britney-art-is-my-therapy
I’ll post to the new Brit thread — maybe we can start something there and leave the research or whatever here?
November 18th, 2008 at 6:12 pm
I am in moderation.
http://sky1.sky.com/britney-art-is-my-therapy
November 18th, 2008 at 6:12 pm
http://sky1.sky.com/britney-on-marriage
I posted to the new Britney thread — her coming home.
November 18th, 2008 at 6:58 pm
gi will be along shortly.
November 18th, 2008 at 7:08 pm
Yes I am back. Auditors are gone and I’m getting back in the swing of things. Have to catch up on this thread. Hopefully tonight I will have some time then tomorrow I will finish catching up. Finally!!! I feel like I’ve been gone forever.
November 18th, 2008 at 7:14 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
November 18th, 2008 at 5:42 pm
I do tend to go all over the map and leaving out the punyman for smart is wise.
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Instead of looking at our “known players” and trying to fit them into roles, maybe we could let the facts lead us TO them.
We have two “storylines” going here:
1/ On one end, we have the opening chapters – entrance of Lutfi. Where did he come from? What’s the REAL story?
4/ On the other, we have the the final chapters – the C-Ship, and then the permanent C-Ship.
And then,
3/ Directly before the “final chapters,” we have Eardley, Sands, Streisand, NT Bank, etc.
The WEG suit…
Instead of looking at the suit itself, we may want to just use it as a “tool” and look at the allegations contained in it instead. That might lead us to:
2/ BTI. Commissionable receipts. Concealment.
** This could be the missing part of the puzzle that will make the other parts make sense.
November 18th, 2008 at 7:34 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
November 18th, 2008 at 6:11 pm
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Sounds good to me!
November 18th, 2008 at 7:39 pm
Ronnie, Do let us know if the Raging Wildebeast rears her ugly head again at that other site. I didn’t realize that notes were being left for a couple of days. If you hadn’t have pointed it out I probably wouldn’t have known. I had to get pretty nasty with her, but MAN! She was starting to give me the willies! Sometimes people just don’t GET it until you get nasty with them. It’s a shame, but it had to be done…
Anywho…
November 18th, 2008 at 7:53 pm
Grossman “directed Mercedes-Benz of Beverly Hills to deliver one of Britney’s cars..” to her at the hotel.
I can’t imagine a Mercedes-Benz employee getting into the Summit without Grossman calling the gate… now how did this happen? Was the car down at the dealership?
If an employee got through then what? He had the right to take a car from Britney’s house and deliver it? He had an extra set of keys? Were the cars in a garage?
Who was in the car with Britney? The person who delivered her the car?
November 18th, 2008 at 8:00 pm
oh ok. Here alone so…
Britney had two cars owned by Britney and ready to be picked up at the Benz dealership.
Later “Cameron of Mercedes-Benz of Beverly Hills .. told me that I should have Mr. Grossman know who would be picking up the two cars.” (Wexler)
And then later Grossman authorized Jamie Spears or his reps to pick up the two cars?
My point is Grossman’s position and relationship to Mercedes-Benz and other vendors and his control over the money.
November 18th, 2008 at 8:11 pm
Steel. What are you talking about at 7:39?
Did Ronnie post that in an email to you or was I so adrift in research that I missed something.
Welcome back gi!
November 18th, 2008 at 8:14 pm
In case you’ve been engrossed — here’s where we should move “talk” to
http://www.jfxonline.com/jfxonline/2008/11/18/britney-enough-is-enough/#comments
See comment Number 1.
November 18th, 2008 at 8:19 pm
Steel and others, if ok by you, let’s keep going on the research/discussion here.
Steel. I LOVE you thinking. So film maker
and sensible.
November 18th, 2008 at 8:34 pm
jane doe
http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b69496_smitten_fans_ledger-drug_suit_gets.html
November 18th, 2008 at 8:42 pm
Thanks MH. Will we ever learn who she was allegedly sleeping with in regards to Britney?
November 18th, 2008 at 8:51 pm
It may not have been her, just the idea of her used as example.
November 18th, 2008 at 8:52 pm
Remember me always saying, follow the money, the big money?
Well, who is the big money…where does it come from?
BTI
Merchandising
Jive
?
?
November 18th, 2008 at 8:52 pm
Could it be that nothing is going on?
November 18th, 2008 at 8:54 pm
Well, nothing major anyway.
November 18th, 2008 at 9:35 pm
MH Says:
November 18th, 2008 at 8:52 pm
Remember me always saying, follow the money, the big money?
Well, who is the big money…where does it come from?
BTI
Merchandising
Jive
?
?
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Britney Touring Inc…Tours! Or lack thereof.
November 18th, 2008 at 9:37 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
November 18th, 2008 at 8:11 pm
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The last time you said, “Thanks Ronnie,” so I assumed he e-mailed you to let you know. So I was just giving him a heads up where I figured others were less likely to see it.
November 18th, 2008 at 9:39 pm
AM, I gotta focus on just one thing or I loose track…
So I’m going to focus my thoughts on the Mama-Sam relationship, plus the “concealment” from WEG.
November 18th, 2008 at 9:42 pm
Question…
When the RICO act was brought up, it was Sands that brought it up? Or Sands AND Eardley?
They were on “Team Sam” at the end, right?
November 18th, 2008 at 9:45 pm
RICO Act…Racketeering:
A racket is an illegal business, usually run as part of organized crime. Engaging in a racket is called racketeering.
Several forms of racket exist. The best-known is the protection racket, in which criminals demand money from businesses in exchange for the service of “protection” against crimes that the racketeers themselves instigate if unpaid. A second well known example is the numbers racket, a form of illegal lottery.
The term racket comes from the Italian word ricatto (blackmail) and is also used as a pejorative term for legitimate businesses…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racketeering
vs.
41. Upon information and belief, SPEARS and BTI concealed from WEG a series of negotiations and agreements for otherwise commissionable Gross
Receipts payable to WEG, thus diverting those commissions to SPEARS, directly or indirectly, or to corporate entities…
Any relation?
November 18th, 2008 at 10:17 pm
Steel. Sands is the spokesperson for Eardley and company.
Eardley never spoke to the press that I know on this matter.
MH — grateful for you contributions.
November 18th, 2008 at 10:22 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
November 18th, 2008 at 10:17 pm
Sands is the spokesperson for Eardley and company.
Eardley never spoke to the press that I know on this matter.
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That makes sense. Why would Eardley speak to the press when he has a spokesperson to do it for him?!
But Sands was ALSO the spokesperson for Sammy?
November 18th, 2008 at 10:24 pm
Steel. The public triumvirate at the end was Eardley, Sam, Sands.
I am sticking with Grossman’s power for a bit.
MH. I haven’t looked enough at Jive but I don’t think they were part of it?
And parties beyond that? 15 companies she owned.
Steel. You didn’t miss that Streisand provided all of this presumably ala Grossman.
Grossman still is not the punyman. I’ll work my angles and try not to distract your focus but…
November 18th, 2008 at 10:24 pm
And Sands was also a defector from the Kaplan camp?
November 18th, 2008 at 10:25 pm
Britney had a good relationship with Grossman, no?
November 18th, 2008 at 10:28 pm
Let’s put it this way…
Brit’s biggest beef with life was that everyone who SHOULD have been there for her when things got tough actually bailed. Nobody TRUSTED her.
So, maybe one thing we could do is trust Brit.
At the end, who did BRITNEY want to head up the C-Ship? As her manager? As her lawyer? Maybe we could take a leap of faith and trust HER?
November 18th, 2008 at 10:30 pm
I know everyone is going with the theory that Brit was “crazy,” etc. But what if she wasn’t crazy at all? If you get my drift.
November 18th, 2008 at 10:38 pm
Steel. I think I get where you are coming from.
I never though Britney was crazy. I also believed in her from the get go of January.
Do I think she was crazy for believing in Sam? No. For her belief in Grossman? No.
I do believe she didn’t know what was going on behind the scenes. I do believe she was being drugged. I do believe she could escape Sam not so easily.
I do not believe in Grossman, Earsdley, Sam, nor Sands. I do not believe Jamie is evil. I do believe it’s time to let Britney go.
What makes you think that Sam’s own creative c-ship didn’t include a sleep induced coma to be followed by c-ship of Grossman and Northern Trust?
Britney trusted people. Hey man will get you out of there. I’ve got the attorney I’ve go…
Was Streisand duped? Or easily bought. Either way he became impotent but only after singing about Britney’s finances. It’s interesting he had time to do that in court before the judge threw him out.
November 18th, 2008 at 10:40 pm
Sorry, from Brit’s evil team, Hey man we’ll get you of there. I’ve got the attorney I’ve got the …
Britney didn’t have many options. And where did we ever find that Britney herself wanted NTF and Grossman?
Remember that that team had been painting her crazy for MONTHS.
November 18th, 2008 at 10:41 pm
Hmmm…
Actually, I was thinking the opposite. Okay, not the opposite, but…
November 18th, 2008 at 10:43 pm
Okay…I don’t know how to word this…
So far, we’ve been thinking in black and white.
Team Pa vs. Team Lutfi
That kind of thing. But I’m wondering if it’s much more complex…
November 18th, 2008 at 10:46 pm
We’re starting let our emotions get involved here. Thinking “good vs. evil.”
We were really HOT for a little bit there. On a roll. But we’re falling back into the same old story.
MH, help us out! LOL
November 18th, 2008 at 10:48 pm
The WEG suit and the Mama-Sam relationship were something new. Maybe that’s why I felt we were on a roll.
November 18th, 2008 at 10:50 pm
Okay…Remember MT’s last question?
Britney Touring Inc. Who’s getting paid? It started around December 2006.
I’m going to think about that…And in the meantime, I’m out for the night. I just finished up a big project, and my poor bf hasn’t seen me in a week!
Until next time…Which knowing me, will probably be 5 minutes. LOL
November 18th, 2008 at 10:57 pm
Steel. Not emotional, just tired? I was at this alot today most of it on my own. As in alone here and wishing for company or a second pair of eyes.
I will read the latter part of this evening’s transcript tomorrow afternoon.
November 18th, 2008 at 11:00 pm
Steel. Are you weighing in over here?
http://www.jfxonline.com/jfxonline/2008/11/18/britney-enough-is-enough/#comments
normalcy — as in board flow. Something like that.
November 19th, 2008 at 12:31 am
Steel. I think I was thanking Ronnie for a note I sent him unrelated to your own but related to this thread.
November 19th, 2008 at 12:32 am
In short he said hello.
November 19th, 2008 at 2:56 am
Sorry for disappearing so long. I was very busy with family stuff.
Now to get caught up.
November 19th, 2008 at 3:13 am
Steel_Magnolia Says:
November 18th, 2008 at 10:24 pm
And Sands was also a defector from the Kaplan camp?
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He was. He did Kaplan/Kevin’s PR I think.
Wow you guys did a lot of research. I feel bad for not doing anything today.
I’ll try to be more active tomorrow.
All the legal stuff goes over my head.
November 19th, 2008 at 11:52 am
small join the crowd on this legal stuff and is anyone required to “do their share?” heck no.
Me personally I am grateful to have anyone to discuss finds with or to exchange theories or to analyze the media. Wolk said it a long time ago that there was no where else to go.
November 19th, 2008 at 11:53 am
small — I meant join the crowd on legal stuff sailing over one’s head. Even when I look up stuff I’m still not crystal clear I understand.
November 19th, 2008 at 12:31 pm
11/18/2008 P999 EXHIBITS IN SUPPORT OF E – AGREED ORDER VACATING FINAL DEFAULT DEFAULT JUDGMEN TS
11/18/2008 P999 EXHIBITS IN SUPPORT OF A – PLAINTIFFS’ 1ST SET OF INTERROGATORIES
11/18/2008 P999 EXHIBITS IN SUPPORT OF L – PLAINTIFFS’ CORRESPONDENCE 6/2/08 – 11/11/08
11/18/2008 P999 EXHIBITS IN SUPPORT OF H – DEFENDANTS’ RESPONSE TO FIRST REQUEST FOR PRODUCTIO N OF DOCUMENTS
11/18/2008 P999 EXHIBITS IN SUPPORT OF G – DEFENDANTS’ ANSWERS TO PLAINTIFFS’ FIRST SET OF INT ERROGATORIES
11/18/2008 P999 EXHIBITS IN SUPPORT OF D – NOTICE OF PRODUCTION FROM NON-PARTIES 4/23/08
11/18/2008 P999 EXHIBITS IN SUPPORT OF C – ORDER OF 2/14/08
11/18/2008 P999 EXHIBITS IN SUPPORT OF K – MAY 2008 EMAIL CORRESPONDENCE
11/18/2008 P999 EXHIBITS IN SUPPORT OF I – DEFENDANTS’ LETTER OF 8/5/08 AND TRISTAR ENCLOSURE
11/18/2008 P999 EXHIBITS IN SUPPORT OF F – DEFENDANTS’ OBJECTION TO PLAINTIFFS’ NOTICE OF PROD UCTION FROM NON-PARTIES
11/18/2008 P999 EXHIBITS IN SUPPORT OF J – DEFENDANTS’ LETTER 10/14/08
11/18/2008 P999 EXHIBITS IN SUPPORT OF B – PLAINTIFFS’ 1ST REQUEST FOR PRODUCTION OF DOCUMENTS TO DEFENDANTS
11/18/2008 P999 SECOND MOTION TO COMPEL COMPLETE ANSWERS TO PLAINTIFFS’ FIRST SET OF INTERROGAT ORIES AND FIRST REQUEST TO PRODUCE
11/18/2008 P999 NOTICE OF HEARING: 12/4 @ 9:30
boldface mine — I think we all understand the last entry.
November 19th, 2008 at 12:34 pm
Tristar? Surely … Lou Taylor?
Is Jamie acting as the defendant? I am leaving soon, going to school where there is less chance of frying my brain.
November 19th, 2008 at 12:40 pm
The judge has another hearing at 10:45 and a big day ahead of her. So this “hearing” is just the beginning of the hearing process?
November 19th, 2008 at 12:40 pm
Off to improve my comma usage.
November 19th, 2008 at 2:08 pm
AM, Sorry, I worded one of my posts from last night kind of poorly. I didn’t mean to say YOU were emotional, but just that we sometimes tend to think in “good vs. evil” when maybe we shouldn’t. As in, sometimes good people do bad things. E.g. Maybe Pa is a good person, who is doing a bad thing. Or maybe Sam was a bad person who thought he was doing good things. Or maybe Ma was a good person who just got too caught up in something with bad people who she thought were good.
Ah…I’m tired. Not making sense!
I’m heading out of town for a night and should be back tomorrow. Will try to catch up then.
November 19th, 2008 at 2:15 pm
One More Time Music
Music Happenings
Two more of her companies. Don’t know if they are active. Just two more to add to the list.
November 19th, 2008 at 4:01 pm
Now that I’ve caught up I throw a couple things out there. Feel free to agree or disagree. Maybe you have all discussed this before and I missed it.
Back when Brits career all started her family was living in backwoods Kentwood. Those people in backwoods do not know how to deal with New York, Hollywood or any area close to that. They all relied on what people told them or tried to tell them. At one point the family was bankrupt. Getting Britney out there and having her sing and dance did pay the bills and did build a new house. At some point she grew up and wanted to make her own choices but did not have the business background to do it and was not allowed to go things that she wanted to do. She was never allowed just to be a teenager etc. She was not allowed to date other than Justin from what I understand and Jason was a high school friend from the Christian school that she went to. She has done a lot of things based off the facts that they would not let her have a life of her own, would not let her date (and still don’t) whom she wants. There is a plan and she must follow it. She is not allowed not to work when the handlers or people or whoever tells her she must do this then she must. She is still backwoods to some degree. She is a beautiful lady and should be allowed to do some of the things she wants to do. I do understand why they want her to date certain kinks of people and that is just not who she is.
I do not think she understands the business side of any of this and she does need help with it. I do not think she ever learned to control her money/checkbook and she must have help with this. But she knows her heart. She knows who she loves and who she wants to be with but is not allowed – either by K-fed or by c-ship. I do not see many of the other stars with so tight a noose on them that they are not allowed to date who they want to but then the person would be the story as we have talked about before. It should not be that way but we all know it is. There are just so many people that are jealous of him. They do not understand why she picked him and not them and they do not want him to be the one. They do not want her to pick “bad boys” and she does that anyway – not that I think our friend is a bad boy but he does not fit the mold of what the powers that be want her to date. Kfed did not fit that mold either and neither did Jason. They want her to stay in the business and date only from withend. Again this is backwoods.
I dont think either parents knows how to get off the rollercoaster without someone getting hurt. While they are there they make money at it.
November 19th, 2008 at 5:01 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
November 19th, 2008 at 12:31 pm
11/18/2008 P999 EXHIBITS IN SUPPORT OF I – DEFENDANTS’ LETTER OF 8/5/08 AND TRISTAR ENCLOSURE
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What does Tristar have to do with BTI and this lawsuit? I thought Lou Taylor worked for Lynne, Jamie Lynn, and her baby daddy?
Amethyst Mine Says:
November 19th, 2008 at 12:34 pm
Tristar? Surely … Lou Taylor?
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You caught that too, I see. I don’t get it.
November 19th, 2008 at 5:03 pm
Steel_Magnolia Says:
November 19th, 2008 at 2:08 pm
AM, Sorry, I worded one of my posts from last night kind of poorly. I didn’t mean to say YOU were emotional, but just that we sometimes tend to think in “good vs. evil” when maybe we shouldn’t. As in, sometimes good people do bad things. E.g. Maybe Pa is a good person, who is doing a bad thing. Or maybe Sam was a bad person who thought he was doing good things. Or maybe Ma was a good person who just got too caught up in something with bad people who she thought were good.
Ah…I’m tired. Not making sense!
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I beg to differ, you make perfect sense!
November 19th, 2008 at 5:06 pm
Gigi, before Justin, she dated a guy named Reg. Don’t know his last name. He has done a few interviews in the past.
November 19th, 2008 at 5:19 pm
I can do a little scouting on how SINGLE celebs are more marketable to the public.
Remember the beginning of Hollywood and the attention to image?
Katherine Hepburn concealed her romance with .. I think until after he died. Anyway it was a standard thing to be seen this person or that but not that one and not to marry and so on.
I don’t think anyone is not allowing Britney to date — it’s been a matter of image and protection of the star. Also her custody.
I can’t remember who the smart person was here who wrote (not quotes) that once Adnan was stabbed it opened that door to include him as a “danger” to the children. Maybe Ronnie can say something on that. What I mean was that being with someone who was sought out to do violence to …
Don’t sweat it Steel. I was tired last night. Also, I do categorize this case in simple good guys versus the bad guys.
ok, back to the hearing. I assume that is part of the process to see “what’s next” i.e. now that all the steps have been completed do we move to a trial (a jury trial in this case)?
November 19th, 2008 at 5:22 pm
wow that was poorly written.
Adnan without his intention attracted violence to his person.
I think that as Circus became more of a reality and the image spin wizards set out that it would look better in terms of selling the record this December if Brit were hot, sexy, available, etc.
I thought it was funny that once Adnan stood up for himself and Britney re the sex tapes, the new story became how Britney wasn’t allowed to have sex with anyone.
oy vey
November 19th, 2008 at 5:23 pm
MH thanks for the additional companies. We were short on coming up with 15 companies.
November 19th, 2008 at 6:08 pm
perez has the sex tape thing back out there. It was during the time I was with auditors but I saw it today on the 3rd page I think. Here we go again. It started out talking about mmmm papi then went to sex tape
November 19th, 2008 at 7:04 pm
I’m not finding anything recent GG on that.
November 19th, 2008 at 8:25 pm
Oh. Found it GG. I was looking for a separate article.
November 20th, 2008 at 4:45 pm
Nothing new. Will wait for Steel to come back.
November 20th, 2008 at 8:54 pm
Query Steel: why does plaintiff keep bringing up Default Judgment?
Is it a) the fastest way to end the case i.e., no more out of pocket for Wright b) a better figure or any figure than might be produced with a jury trial?
Outside of that, I found those movements with regard to messing around with Florida law, interesting. But on the other hand the attorney just wants to win and be paid and add an accolade to his profile.
I think plaintiff was happier when defense wasn’t cooperating and then defending.
November 21st, 2008 at 2:51 am
When I read through the stuff posted, I thought the judgement was thrown out and a trial would move forward. Am I reading it wrong?
November 21st, 2008 at 11:45 am
I don’t think you are small but they keep bringing up the default in their exhibits.
3-17
4-14
11-18
11-18 – also presented agreed order to vacate…
I don’t pretend to understand it. Are you having any trouble logging into the new Britney thread?
November 21st, 2008 at 12:07 pm
small — I think the hearing on the 4th is part of the process to move to trial? Or not?
November 21st, 2008 at 1:11 pm
I’m sure you’ve all seen this in various form but now that the Associated Press is carrying the story…
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ic4j0-zgwVvUIwo6rjPD7Oxxe01wD94IU8SO0
November 21st, 2008 at 5:50 pm
I was out of town longer than expected…I’m caught up now, but feel a sore throat coming on. Aak!
Interesting developments over the past few days. I’m going to go attack a bowl of chicken soup and a glass of orange juice, and hope this goes away so I can get back in the swing of all things!
November 21st, 2008 at 7:30 pm
STEEL! You may never leave again. jk
QUICK. PRONTO
http://www.tmz.com/category/britney-spears/
Britney is at the courthouse.
November 21st, 2008 at 7:31 pm
sorry you are not feeling well — ack
November 22nd, 2008 at 6:20 pm
Steel, I was rereading those last steps from 11/18 — only this time I ordered them as they should have been A to L
Seems to me that the Defendant (attorneys for…)did respond to the first set of interrogatories just not as complete as Plaintiff wanted. Or Defendant (attorney) sent back letters or something or other. Correspondence from June through 11/11/08.
So all that went down on the 18th was a motion to compel complete answers to the questions ask the first time around.
I think it’s good to learn the justice system.
How are you feeling?
November 22nd, 2008 at 6:33 pm
Feeling pretty rough…I’ve been sleeping all day and pumping myself with OJ, but I think it’s time to hit the hay again. Things aren’t making much sense to me at this point!
Hmmm…So the first time around there were incomplete answers, eh? Incomplete, meaning evasive?
November 22nd, 2008 at 6:38 pm
Just a quick thought…
We always think of money going missing at the hands of Lutfi/Grossman. But if this is the case, why was it SANDS who was making allegations of racketing, RICO Act violations and wire fraud?
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2008/02/racketeering-rico-wire-fraud-claims-in-new-britney-case.php
Wouldn’t that mean that Sands/Eardley/Lutfi were pointing the finger at someone else other than Lutfi?
November 22nd, 2008 at 8:12 pm
Sorry you are not feeling better. Another of our members has poison ivy head to toe. I think I would take the cold.
Interrogatories. My expert testimony as someone who has only filed them in cabinets.
We don’t know when/if there was any response to the questions when they were sent out. There’s no mention in the actions in court but that means nothing.
What if BTI and Britney are served? Ideally an attorney would have helped Britney complete the interrogatories. What if someone else filled them out though and returned them?
I mean the whole year with Sam was to break her down wasn’t it? He offered her to the wolves and meanwhile Grossman (et ux?) skimmed money.
Or let’s say there was an attorney but he/she marked a few questions as N/A?
In any event I do not believe Britney was directly involved unless Sam got her into a pissed off mood and then she filled them out?
Who knows. Let’s move on.
About the conspiracies you and I are reading that story a little different. I am thinking that all three were culpable in the act and they were creating a “pin on someone else” plan. In other words they created a mirror of what they themselves were doing, made up a story that they could pin elsewhere?
There are so many rats in this mess.
I hope you feel better. We are a better team together than apart.
November 22nd, 2008 at 8:22 pm
Steel. Going back to April 29, 2008. Here’s what I get.
Despite an order granted to vacate the Final Judgment, Plaintiff had renewed their motion toward the Final Default Judgment from 2/14/08.
On April 29, Defendant had 10 days to serve their responses to the Q&A. (Q&A so much easier to understand or deal with as laymen) Defendant also had 10 days to “produce documents.” (I don’t know if that has to do with gross receipts)
Defense also accepted the court’s jurisdiction.
The Default Judgment was vacated and the case was reset despite the Plaintiff’s motions.
November 22nd, 2008 at 8:24 pm
It’s interesting to think that the jury trial the Plaintiff sought is now something they seem to want to avoid. But then they got that Default Judgment and potential for $5M per Townsend’s website — what he lists as expert witness.
He had expert witness(es) to say WEG was owed $5M?
November 23rd, 2008 at 12:59 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
November 22nd, 2008 at 8:24 pm
He had expert witness(es) to say WEG was owed $5M?
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I would think that WEG doesn’t know WHAT is owed until Brit’s camp hands over their financial audits.
Do we know if this has been done yet?
November 23rd, 2008 at 1:07 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
November 22nd, 2008 at 8:12 pm
I mean the whole year with Sam was to break her down wasn’t it? He offered her to the wolves and meanwhile Grossman (et ux?) skimmed money.
About the conspiracies you and I are reading that story a little different. I am thinking that all three were culpable in the act and they were creating a “pin on someone else” plan. In other words they created a mirror of what they themselves were doing, made up a story that they could pin elsewhere?
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Yes, I’m reading it VERY differently. Some thoughts:
1/ We’ve yet to figure out WHO Sam is. How did Ma become involved with him, REALLY? I think the answer of who and what Sam was will be revealed when we figure his relationship with Ma out.
2/ I’m not sure that Sands/Eardley/Lutfi made up a story at all. And I’m not sure that Grossman was skimming. He might have been, but I’m not sure about who he was working FOR. (Because if he was pocketing money himself, I would think he would’ve been charged by now.)
3/ I think we need to learn more about BTI before deciding who the rats are.
4/ The rats…How come they HAVEN’T been charged yet? There’s likely a very good reason for that.
November 23rd, 2008 at 2:33 pm
If Sands/Eardley/Lutfi didn’t make up the story then wouldn’t they have turned the case over to the FBI?
I don’t think there’s anything more to the beginning of MA and Sam than what I posted.
We should be able to learn more a few days after the 4th.
November 23rd, 2008 at 2:36 pm
WEG didn’t get the receipts before the Final Judgment that we know.
We do know that “expert” determined the figure of $5M per Clay Townsend’s website:
Wright Entertainment Group, LLC v. .Britney Spears. (9th Cir. Business Court)
* Breach of Contract, Accounting
* Client (Johnny Wright) was the former manager for Spears and currently manages Justin Timberlake, Janet Jackson, Backstreet Boys, NSYNC, and other artists.
* Expert Report Damages: $5,000,000.00
* Status: Still in discovery.
I wonder though now, Steel, if that figure was determined before or after the Final Judgment.
We don’t know do we?
November 23rd, 2008 at 2:49 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
November 23rd, 2008 at 2:33 pm
If Sands/Eardley/Lutfi didn’t make up the story then wouldn’t they have turned the case over to the FBI?
>>> You would think. But…the FBI would need the same financials that WEG has been asking for through their lawsuit. That’s why I’m wondering if WEG has received them yet.
I don’t think there’s anything more to the beginning of MA and Sam than what I posted.
>>> Okay. I probably need to go back and look at this. Something about the story isn’t adding up…I just can’t put my finger on WHAT.
November 23rd, 2008 at 4:01 pm
Probably neither here nor there but what do we know about Holland & Knight? The represented Britney on the sex tape thing against US. They lost and K-Fed and Britney began divorce proceedings a few days later I think.
Roughly ten months later the complaint by WEG is filed and summons are sent to BTIx2 and Britney.
Copies of the complaint are sent to Holland & Knight 11/18/2007. I can’t understand why there isn’t any show from Defense until March 24, 2008.
Was there a breakdown in communication, similar to another law firm’s (Trope and Trope – custody) between Britney and her lawyers?
November 23rd, 2008 at 4:10 pm
I feel stupid. Ok, Default Judgment, then all activity afterward is to determine the amount to award?
What financials were they able to get from Zomba and Signatures Network? I am guessing not much as subpoenas were then sent …
Subpoenas were sent and “then” the case was reopened. So how long did it take Papa Spears to first learn of this matter? Was there any record of the suit in the paperwork of BTI when Papa took over?
November 23rd, 2008 at 4:16 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
November 23rd, 2008 at 4:01 pm
I can’t understand why there isn’t any show from Defense until March 24, 2008.
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Me neither.
They’re also not longer “Britney’s” lawyers. Now they’re Pa’s.
November 23rd, 2008 at 4:17 pm
Oops. Strike “subpoenas were then sent.” That is inaccurate. Zomba and Signatures were not contacted before the subpoenas were sent on 3/19.
Steel. I’m sure the court’s database is not perfect but …. you find it strange that zero activity shows up for Defense until two outside though related parties are notified?
The only reason Zomba and Signatures could be coming is to provide financial, yes?
November 23rd, 2008 at 4:18 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
November 23rd, 2008 at 4:10 pm
So how long did it take Papa Spears to first learn of this matter? Was there any record of the suit in the paperwork of BTI when Papa took over?
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I would’ve thought he’d heard about it with the rest of the world on November 1, 2007 when it appeared on TMZ. That’s why it’s so strange that it took until March 24, 2008 for there to be a response.
November 23rd, 2008 at 4:21 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
November 23rd, 2008 at 4:17 pm
I’m sure the court’s database is not perfect but …. you find it strange that zero activity shows up for Defense until two outside though related parties are notified?
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Yes, I find it strange…See my 1:07 post.
November 23rd, 2008 at 4:27 pm
There’s lot we don’t know. But then there’s lots that we DO know:
- Brit’s fortune allegedly went from $100 million to $40 million in the course of a year
- zero activity shows up for Defense until two outside though related parties are notified
- nobody has ever been charged
What else can we add to this list?
November 23rd, 2008 at 4:28 pm
I am looking at this thing…
It’s unclear if the subpoenas were sent or not — because the judge order them as well as ordered for the appointment of commissions in NY and L.A.
But then Defense comes in after the case is reopened and opposes:
4/3/2008 D-A MEMORANDUM IN OPPOSITION TO PLAINTIFF’S MOTION FOR APPOINTMENT OF COMMISSIONER AND ISSUANCE OF SUBPOENA
Then Plaintiff shows an exhibit in support of an Amended Subpoena without a deposition.
I’m talking out loud Steel. I hope you don’t mind.
November 23rd, 2008 at 4:30 pm
I don’t mind if you talk out loud. I don’t always follow (LOL!) but sometimes something pops out at me that makes me stop in my tracks.
November 23rd, 2008 at 5:06 pm
Thanks, Steel. I guess writing is my way of organizing.
November 23rd, 2008 at 5:08 pm
And I work just the opposite…Which is why I tend to get in a kerfluffle when I see lots of writing! LOL
It’s all good…We’ll meet in the middle.
November 23rd, 2008 at 5:23 pm
Yeh – in the middle.
November 23rd, 2008 at 5:36 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
November 23rd, 2008 at 4:01 pm
Was there a breakdown in communication, similar to another law firm’s (Trope and Trope – custody) between Britney and her lawyers?
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Prior to the C-Ship, I think this is a VERY good possibility.
After the C-Ship…Brit is removed from the equation. Pa is now at the helm.
Now I wonder…Why might it be that it took so long for Pa to acknowledge WEG’s suit, why the C-Ship has been made permanent, and why nobody has ever been charged when it comes to the un-accounted for $60 million?
The answer could be complex, or it could be very simple.
November 23rd, 2008 at 6:39 pm
He had a lot of things on his plate in February. I would be suspect of Holland except as far as I know they are still on the case (they asked for payment at the same time others did on one of those court dates).
I wonder if Grossman complied with the Judge’s order to turn over all documentation.
I wonder when Jamie learned it was still in the air? Also let’s not forget it’s a co-ship and Andrew Wallet is a lawyer.
How did the figures $60 million and $100 million? Wasn’t $100 M based on a reporter’s deductions?
I mw have bought my bird. I also bought a classic red nail polish called Diamonds & Rubies. Very cheerful. It’s good to a little girlie again.
November 23rd, 2008 at 6:57 pm
Bought your bird?!
November 23rd, 2008 at 6:59 pm
http://www.forbes.com/2007/01/17/richest-women-entertainment-tech-media-cz_lg_richwomen07_0118womenstars_slide_13.html?thisSpeed=30000
November 23rd, 2008 at 7:00 pm
On Jan. 17, 2007, ranked the 12th richest woman in entertainment at $100 million.
So I guess Forbes is where I got my figure.
November 23rd, 2008 at 7:25 pm
As in turkey silly. I guess I missed your t-day back in October.
Thanks for the link. Did the amount of money she blew through in year come from custody documents?
Pop must have been made aware of a cash situation early on. At first I thought he was mean to sell her cars. I think it was the first public indication that there was a possible cash flow problem.
November 23rd, 2008 at 7:30 pm
Is it Thanksgiving in the States? I didn’t even know! In my own little world, I think.
The amount of money she blew through…I’ll have to dig that up.
Did we ever find out what the results of the lawsuits involving the cancelled Onyx Hotel Tour were? That might have knocked her back in the millions if her insurance companies weren’t forced to pay…
November 23rd, 2008 at 7:53 pm
No we did not find out whether she won or not. I’ll peek around but it’s not so interesting of a case since it was long ago and she was still surrounded by … I’ll just peek around.
Yep — T-day is this Thursday.
November 23rd, 2008 at 8:07 pm
A “former financial adviser” puts her fortune at $50 million in February 2008:
http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/20080225/britney-spears-fortune-turmoil-risk.htm
November 23rd, 2008 at 8:08 pm
I would think much of her money has been eaten up by lawyer’s fees. Between the custody fight, the C-Ship, and lawsuits, she must have kept many a lawyer well-feed over the last year and a half.
November 23rd, 2008 at 8:15 pm
C-ship costs mucho dinero.
I think I might freak out in January if she is not released.
November 23rd, 2008 at 8:21 pm
Well…Me too. It’s really what started me thinking on this path to begin with. To me, she does not appear to meet the legal definition of someone requiring a C-Ship (but what do I know…) It made me think there’s some other reason why it is continuing the way it is.
But…I would LOVE to prove myself wrong…
November 23rd, 2008 at 8:55 pm
Me too Steel.
Sometimes I think of it as promises made to investors: a stable guaranteed Britney performer right through the sale of the record.
Everybody gets their money. Now we have tour coming into it though. Perhaps my hopes were stupid. Just stupid.
I think Britney wants to be trusted to do things on her own. What did you make of her statement regarding paying for a long time?
When I think of the pics from Friday I just worry what the judge said to her. I mean to mean her looks in the pics aren’t of someone who just had a tiring hour or so with the court.
It’s like something Britney hoped for was killed and delayed. Maybe I am reading into it. May I am projecting.
And then I read into it more about Judge Reva. So much power .. and I know about pretty girls and those who are not so pretty whether they be male or female and then I just start hoping that this judge is above .. do you know what I mean?
I think the paps are pretty clear in their point of view. He is controlling her too much. hmmm makes me want to contact more paps and ask for their point of view.
I just want to know for myself I guess or I want to consider every one’s point of view.
I do believe and have the experience to know that people believe what they want to believe. It’s much less painful to not deal with reality of say a person’s imminent death from cancer. “She’ll get better,” they’ll say and “The treatments are really doing her good,” or “Surely you are lying,” to the person who knows what is happening. “Surely you were drinking,” when you said that.
So surely Papa was being kind. Another scenario is uncomfortable. I don’t think you are afraid to go there. You may be the bravest one of all in what you consider but that’s you. You are exploratory. So I am. I’m willing to consider all is not what it seems or should be.
November 23rd, 2008 at 9:00 pm
I like the private bodyguard now. He and Brit seem comfortable. In some ways they deal with the same shit.
November 23rd, 2008 at 9:02 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
November 23rd, 2008 at 8:55 pm
Sometimes I think of it as promises made to investors: a stable guaranteed Britney performer right through the sale of the record.
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It makes sense that this may be the “promise” to investors through to the end of the tour. That’s a reasonable promise.
Great for them. Not so great for Brit’s social life.
November 23rd, 2008 at 9:05 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
November 23rd, 2008 at 8:55 pm
I think Britney wants to be trusted to do things on her own. What did you make of her statement regarding paying for a long time?
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I think that her father is walking a very delicate line, as this type of behaviour (controlling…work, work, work) is what may have landed her in this position in the first place.
November 23rd, 2008 at 9:08 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
November 23rd, 2008 at 8:55 pm
Sometimes I think of it as promises made to investors: a stable guaranteed Britney performer right through the sale of the record. Everybody gets their money.
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Now think backwards, from the start of the C-Ship to December 2006…Might this same philosophy have come into play?
November 23rd, 2008 at 9:17 pm
What I mean by that is…Prior to Dec. ‘06, I imagine she may have lived the same kind of life she is living now. (I shouldn’t say prior to Dec. ‘06…More like prior to her marriage to K-Fed. Around the sudden end of the Onyx Hotel Tour.) Very controlled.
Then, in Dec. 06, the train goes off the track.
How do you imagine the others in her camp reacted to that?
November 23rd, 2008 at 9:22 pm
To me absolutely. I think Jamie walked into a shambles from Britney’s own sense of self-trust versus control and belief in another, to the estate itself. Those cars went pretty quick.
Query: Would Britney going down have anything positive to do with the WEG case?
And if he’s such a good manager why is Janet Jackson doing so bad? When was the last time you saw a feisty Janice? I keep seeing this ethereal dreamlike creature going through the motions.
Perhaps they are not related, perhaps they are. She has become quite weird.
November 23rd, 2008 at 9:29 pm
http://www.eurweb.com/story/eur17132.cfm
hmmm
November 23rd, 2008 at 9:29 pm
Good point on Janet!
Now…pushing the WEG case to the side for a moment…
If you were her, e.g. mother, and had been previously been employed by her, until she cut you and everyone else out of her life…How might you respond? Would you attempt to save her fortune if you thought she was wasting it??
I’m just wondering how she went from SO much control to the exact inverse. At the time, everyone kept asking, “Where are her parents?” I’m just wondering if they never went anywhere at all.
November 23rd, 2008 at 9:31 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
November 23rd, 2008 at 9:29 pm
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Ah, so Wright WASN’T behind the wardrobe malfunction. Thank goodness!
November 23rd, 2008 at 9:31 pm
It’s nothing I guess. It’s just insight into their world.
November 24th, 2008 at 12:23 am
If there are so many conspiracies and crap out there then what matter if JW was directly associated?
oh — he was.
November 24th, 2008 at 1:14 pm
I just re-read the entire thread, and it’s given me a new perspective. I missed a couple of posts a ways back, so it was helpful to read them and re-assess.
I must say, it’s been nice to reserve this thread just for research. There’s been none of the personal sniping going on, and it’s been quite enjoyable. There’s really nothing I hate more than trying to have a discussion with someone who is taking personal digs at you! To me, if someone has to take a personal dig at you, it means their argument isn’t very sound and they’re having to resort to other methods to try to disguise it.
But maybe that’s just me…! LOL
November 24th, 2008 at 3:55 pm
I totally agree. The peace in this “vacuum” has been wonderful.
It’s also easier to talk here and not get upset. For example, with others around to stir the pot I might think oh Steel just hates Jamie or some such.
But here it’s easy to stay with the research, leave most of the personal feelings out of it, and just CONSIDER one another’s perspective in peace.
Do you know what I mean? And it isn’t just that other person stirring the pot but the shock I sometimes have over someone’s crazy accusations. I am not or haven’t been prepared for them.
Anything to look into today? I have more time than you do — I have things I could do but research is one of my passions.
November 24th, 2008 at 4:27 pm
Steel. I was going back and looking at what we were told as to why Britney was in court.
um yeh right to talk about her upcoming tour and album …. that sounds like she’s reporting to the judge something a flunky could have given.
It’s just a side note. We have to keep seeing through what we are told.
I read the news the first time and thought oh that makes sense … her attorneys and doctors could have easily told the judge, “Yeh, she’s ready.”
So why do you think she really was there? And my she was dressed up to the nines. I mean she looked stunning last time but,…
Maybe the judge wanted to see for herself that Britney was ok. Maybe the judge was covering her own back in case Britney was truly unhappy or wanted out of C-ship.
We can say what we want about the pics but she ultimately just looks sad.
November 24th, 2008 at 4:41 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
November 24th, 2008 at 3:55 pm
with others around to stir the pot I might think oh Steel just hates Jamie or some such.
But here it’s easy to stay with the research, leave most of the personal feelings out of it, and just CONSIDER one another’s perspective in peace.
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We’ve got company.
But it IS nice to leave that company in another thread elsewhere, and yes, consider different possibilities.
The pot stirrers can huff all they want in other threads. We’re in North America – free speech, as far as I’m concerned. I don’t think we’re breaking any laws, and we’re not being disrespectful in they way they are on other sites.
So let’s consider away…
November 24th, 2008 at 4:43 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
November 24th, 2008 at 4:27 pm
Maybe the judge was covering her own back in case Britney was truly unhappy or wanted out of C-ship. We can say what we want about the pics but she ultimately just looks sad.
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I agree, she just looks sad. No matter what is going on that we don’t know about, she just looks SAD.
I think you’re probably on to something about the judge covering her own back. Asking for someone who is under a C-Ship to go on a cross-country tour is…um…a rather bizarre situation, if you ask me.
November 24th, 2008 at 4:49 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
November 24th, 2008 at 3:55 pm
with others around to stir the pot I might think oh Steel just hates Jamie or some such.
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By the time I got to my posts last night, and especially after reading the thread, I have some further thoughts on this.
I tried to imagine my Mom and Dad – how they would react if I started acting the way Brit was starting in December 2006. And then the thought of her parents with their hands in the cookie jar didn’t seem to evil.
For instance, I’m in my 30’s, but my Dad still does my banking for me. I still go to him every time I have a question about anything financial, and he even deposits my cheques and pays some of my bills for me (because we live in two different cities, and the majority of my banking is done where he lives.) I trust him 100% on this. I wouldn’t need him as my Conservator to force me to do this – I’d let him do it all willingly, right now, if I thought it would save me time.
Now…Applying that kind of thinking towards the cookie jar…Things start to look a little different. Which is good!
November 24th, 2008 at 5:00 pm
Side note…If there’s anyone I dislike in this, it’s not Jamie – it’s Lynn!
November 24th, 2008 at 5:15 pm
Speaking of which I just posted a few more sentences along with sentences I’ve posted before from her book.
ok we have company. I’m not going to stop posting.
November 24th, 2008 at 5:40 pm
Meaning if you say we have company we do.
Let’s go back to the judge. I am not buying the story.
So I wonder (and it was big surprise that Britney showed up or that there was any meeting — no one got that intelligence this time which is good…but somebody was there. I don’t know, is the courthouse a place one keeps a reporter/pap in L.A. ? Could be.) why she was there and dressed to the nines with curly hair, and did you see her short fingernails? It’s just a detail but she’s been wearing them long and to the image.
I’d say she was dressed to make an impression.
The judge saw her with an attorney…You think it was Andrew or Sam? Andrew makes no sense. Andrew = Papa.
The best Jordan could come up with was that Judge Reva had never met her before. um.. I don’t think so.
November 24th, 2008 at 5:46 pm
But then Allan Parachini made his statements to the public.
“It was a discussion of Britney Spears’ short-term professional career obligations including the release of the album and a possible tour to support album. At no time did Britney Spears or anyone else present raise an objection to the permanent conservatorship.”
So why the private meeting? Did Britney cry in the courtroom?
November 24th, 2008 at 5:46 pm
The TMZ story was interesting. I would think TMZ has an “in” at the courthouse, as they seem to get all the legal scoops.
November 24th, 2008 at 5:47 pm
Is Allan required to tell the truth the whole truth or does he just read a press release?
November 24th, 2008 at 5:48 pm
Hmm…If I was Brit, I’d be questioning why I was “well” enough to go on tour, but not “well” enough to choose who my friends were. I’m wondering if there’s problems there. Well, just as the TMZ story implied.
November 24th, 2008 at 5:50 pm
…I wonder if Lou wrote Allan’s statement…??
I’m being sarcastic, but I think you know what I mean.
November 24th, 2008 at 7:54 pm
Yes. I know what you mean Steel. I get it.
Nice one btw.
Is Brit well enough? Yes. Does she trust herself?
oh that is a hard one … to have been with someone like Sam and not to have realized earlier on .. is tough on one’s self-trust. I know this first hand, like, “Where was my intuition? I always had my intuition.”
Also I am sure she feels some gratitude to dear old dad but .. enough it enough. He did his part the part he didn’t do when she was growing up.
There are alternatives to this all out c-ship. There are alternatives period. How is she different from you or I?
You know what I feel bad about Steel. Is that she was a social girl, like me. It must kill her to lack that spontaneity and spark of meeting people, talking to them.
That’s just another sideline.
btb, Mom the psychologist thinks maybe Lynne will pull through against Jamie? But then Mom and I revisited Lynne. Lynne Spears is not like my mom. My mother is a lioness.
My mother does NOT like what is going on with Jamie and perm c-ship. My mother also brought home the feeling of someone else holding your children tonight.
Why bring my mother up? Because she is smart and solid.
Steel I am glad you have a good relationship with your father. That is always inspirational. But otherwise? I have known precious few who enjoy a good relationship with dear old dad.
November 24th, 2008 at 8:13 pm
Ah, my parents sound JUST like dear ol’ Jamie and Lynn. My dad is a stern, no-nonsense type of guy. It’s his way or the highway. Thankfully, his way is usually pretty solid (…except when I wasn’t allowed to talk to boys until I was 16!) He was much too strict growing up, but as an adult I get along with him great.
My Mom, on the other hand, sounds just like Lynn. Always listening to others…a bit of hen, always clucking about something or gossiping about this or that. I had to explain to her one time that the earth was round, not flat. (Serious!) And she had “just never thought about” what stars really were…or that Earth wasn’t the only planet in the solar system. (No, I’m really serious!)
That’s why I’m suddenly starting to picture all of this in a much different way. Once I saw what Brit’s parents were like, it all started to make SENSE! LOL
November 24th, 2008 at 8:32 pm
I then started thinking about what it must have been like for Brit, being raised mainly by Lynn, and then on the road all on her own for her “formative” years.
I can say I definitely got my critical thinking skills from my Dad. He taught me how to focus, plan, consider the task at hand. First things first. “If you’re going to do it, do it right the first time or don’t do it at all.”
I can see why Brit may be in the position she’s in right now if she didn’t have that kind of structure or influence in her life growing up.
November 24th, 2008 at 8:41 pm
P.S. Don’t get me wrong…My Mom is a very kind lady. Just like Lynn.
But there’s a difference between “trusting in God” that things will turn out okay, and actually taking charge of your own life and hatching a plan. And it sounds like maybe Brit was never taught how to take charge of herself and hatch her own plans.
If that makes sense?
November 24th, 2008 at 8:42 pm
Just a little novel for our company to read to help them pass the time.
November 25th, 2008 at 12:41 am
lol Steel, but serious.
My parents are not at all like these parents. I thought maybe Lynne was on the first read but no deal on the second or third.
I don’t know what Britney was taught. Just she was left open?
My mother by the way also believes Lynne was fired from her job at BTI.
It’s funny because weeks ago we both thought Lynne was stronger until we reread parts of the book.
I think also I was also momentarily influential. Not that Mom is a sap — (OHNO) just lol I so didn’t want to talk about the latest things with Dad. Never mind.
Our family had religion but we sure as hell never left anything up to God. It was about hard work, perseverance, etc. I still find it curious that none of Lynne’s kids went with her religion.
Lou is going to drive me crazy. Yes Jamie let’s pray on that. Can you imagine? She’s still an influence in his life? Jamie, let’s pray on this phone thing. It gets creepier.
Hope our friend is enjoying the vignettes.
Pity she can’t join us but can only be a voyeur.
November 25th, 2008 at 3:06 am
Steel_Magnolia Says:
November 22nd, 2008 at 6:38 pm
Just a quick thought…
We always think of money going missing at the hands of Lutfi/Grossman. But if this is the case, why was it SANDS who was making allegations of racketing, RICO Act violations and wire fraud?
Wouldn’t that mean that Sands/Eardley/Lutfi were pointing the finger at someone else other than Lutfi?
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That is what they seem to be doing. Whether they were honest in trying to point the finger elsewhere or if they they were trying to point it away from them, we don’t know.
November 25th, 2008 at 3:07 am
Sorry for being so absent. I was extremely busy and now I have to get caught up on 2 days of posts.
November 25th, 2008 at 3:10 am
Steel_Magnolia Says:
November 23rd, 2008 at 8:21 pm
Well…Me too. It’s really what started me thinking on this path to begin with. To me, she does not appear to meet the legal definition of someone requiring a C-Ship (but what do I know…) It made me think there’s some other reason why it is continuing the way it is.
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That is what is puzzling to me too. She doesn’t look like she needs it.
But they keep bringing up the c-ship when they talk about custody. Maybe Kevin won’t allow her to see her kids without it.
November 25th, 2008 at 3:13 am
Steel_Magnolia Says:
November 23rd, 2008 at 9:05 pm
I think that her father is walking a very delicate line, as this type of behaviour (controlling…work, work, work) is what may have landed her in this position in the first place.
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Oh I agree completely. I’ve said it before, that I hope everyone learns a lesson from all this, but I don’t know if they have.
November 25th, 2008 at 3:20 am
Amethyst Mine Says:
November 24th, 2008 at 4:27 pm
Maybe the judge wanted to see for herself that Britney was ok. Maybe the judge was covering her own back in case Britney was truly unhappy or wanted out of C-ship.
We can say what we want about the pics but she ultimately just looks sad.
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This may be a very stupid question, but do you think Britney could have grounds to sue after the c-ship is lifted? To me, Britney doesn’t seem to fit as “gravely disabled”. I don’t think she ever would, but could she possibly have grounds to sue the state? It would be the state right?
November 25th, 2008 at 3:30 am
AM and Steel–I agree with all your thoughts about moms and dads. And about Britney’s parents….Aaaargh! If you had asked me about 2 yrs ago who I liked more, it would have been Lynne, but it’s now Jamie.
That makes me laugh for some odd reason. It’s sounds so idiotic or desperate. Or both.
Can we kind of chuckle at Lynne thinking God brought Sam into her life for a jewelry endorsement deal
November 25th, 2008 at 3:31 am
Maybe “like” is the wrong word. See different is a better phrase.
November 25th, 2008 at 11:48 am
11/21/2008 P999 EXHIBITS IN SUPPORT OF EXHIBIT B
11/21/2008 P999 EXHIBITS IN SUPPORT OF EXHIBIT A
11/21/2008 P999 MOTION FOR SANCTIONS PLAINTIFFS’ MOTION FOR ENFORCEMENT OF THIS COURT’S ORDERS AS TO JURISDICTION AND FOR SANCTIONS
November 25th, 2008 at 12:13 pm
You were missed small. Glad you are back.
November 25th, 2008 at 12:56 pm
I think there is alot more going on from Defense than what is posted. I think the above should read:
“Motion for Santions. Plaintiffs’ Motion for Enforcement of this Court’s Orders as to Jurisdiction and for Sanctions.”
November 25th, 2008 at 12:57 pm
sanction
n. 1) a financial penalty imposed by a judge on a party or attorney for violation of a court rule, for receiving a special waiver of a rule, or as a fine for contempt of court. If a fine, the sanction may be paid to the court or to the opposing party to compensate the other side for inconvenience or added legal work due to the rule violation. Examples: a) under local rules Bagatelle’s attorney is required to file a brief in response to the opposition’s motion five days before the hearing, but is two days late. The judge accepts the documents, but imposes a $200 sanction on Bagatelle’s attorney for the failure to file them on time. b) Campbell’s lawyer wants to include a newly found expert in his list of witnesses, but the date for adding to the list has passed. The judge permits the added witness, but allows the opposition to take the expert’s deposition, and imposes a sanction (fine) on Campbell to pay both sides’ costs of the deposition and $500 attorney’s fees to the opposing counsel. c) Defendant Danny Dipper says “you son-of-a-bitch” in court when the judge fines him $100 for jay-walking. The judge imposes a sanction of $200 and a day in jail for Danny’s contempt of court. 2) v. to impose a fine or penalty as part of a judge’s duty to maintain both order and fairness in court. 3) v. in international law, to impose economic constraints on trade against a country that violates international law or is guilty of human rights violations. 4) v. to allow or approve. This meaning is ironically in contrast to the other definitions of “sanction.”
http://dictionary.law.com/default2.asp?selected=1880&bold=
November 25th, 2008 at 2:38 pm
AM, Does that mean WEG is asking for sanctions against the C-Ship (e.g. for unnecessarily dragging things out)? Or is it the other way around?
November 25th, 2008 at 2:48 pm
small hands Says:
November 25th, 2008 at 3:10 am
That is what is puzzling to me too. She doesn’t look like she needs it.
But they keep bringing up the c-ship when they talk about custody. Maybe Kevin won’t allow her to see her kids without it.
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I’m also guessing that right now the judge (and Kevin) won’t let her see her kids without it. But the sad part is, until she’s out on her own and can prove she can take care of herself, then she won’t be able to change the custody arrangement. So it looks like she’s stuck between a rock and a hard place.
I know that MT is being ridiculed on that other site for what he’s saying, but I do see his point. He’s not saying that the C-Ship needs to be removed right now, just that Pa might not be the best person to be overseeing her personal life. As long as he is, she’s going to be riled up and upset and won’t be able to pass the “test” that is required by her doctors to have the C-Ship removed.
TMZ also seemed to support this notion yesterday when they posted the story about what went on inside the meeting with the Commish. Apparently Brit was thankful for her Dad straightening out her finances, but was quite upset with him over his tight control of her personal life.
It was actually JUST like MT was suggesting a couple of days before.
November 25th, 2008 at 2:55 pm
On a personal note, I can see how being under the rule of a parent you haven’t always got along with might make you a little “crazy.” Because I was in and out of university, then college, then college again, I lived with my parents until the age of 28…And, MAN, did they ever drive me crazy!! (And I drove them crazy, I know for a fact.) We fought like cats and dogs (and I probably could contribute a good whack of my anxiety/depression to living in such an arrangement.) Twenty-eight is just too damn old to be living with your parents!
But the moment I finally got out of school and got a full time job – which enabled me to start renting my own place – it was like magic. BOOM! I suddenly started getting along with them great. I was out from under their roof, on my own, free – and I felt like a whole new person.
I’m guessing Brit might benefit in much the same way.
November 25th, 2008 at 3:22 pm
Steel. On a personal note. I was thinking to day that if I had to bow down to Mom/Dad it would kill something in me.
They were already very controlling. Seven kids in our family and we all knew the dread of being indebted to them for money. If you owed them money my parents felt the right to .. have a more prominent say in everything.
At a time when I was married (and I didn’t owe her any money at all and hadn’t in years) I asked her once, “Why are you trying to manipulate me?”
“I don’t know, just because,” she said, “I want you to come home.” This was just over a 4th of July weekend when my husband had to work and so on.
I can’t mention some dream I have had without her telling me what to do. You should know by now that I very much love my mom but she can drive me crazy.
I love my husband too but I have to admit he is a convenient buffer. I wonder if it was the same for Britney, sans the great love, in having this buffer. A man can do that. Interfere.
I wish MT was here right now. Do you ever notice his point of view in the music he chooses and shares?
November 25th, 2008 at 3:29 pm
# Steel_Magnolia Says:
November 25th, 2008 at 2:38 pm
AM, Does that mean WEG is asking for sanctions against the C-Ship (e.g. for unnecessarily dragging things out)? Or is it the other way around?
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Legally I don’t think they could Steel. This isn’t Eardley. But I do think it is a sign that the other side is dragging, i.e., not compelling a certain someone and her attorney to complete the first set of Interrogatories?
I don’t know the court well enough to understand if Exhibit A and B stay the same throughout a case. Or. If the above are new Exhibits. If they are not new Exhibits then here is what Plaintiff is pushing for:
11/18/2008 P999 EXHIBITS IN SUPPORT OF A – PLAINTIFFS’ 1ST SET OF INTERROGATORIES
11/18/2008 P999 EXHIBITS IN SUPPORT OF B – PLAINTIFFS’ 1ST REQUEST FOR PRODUCTION OF DOCUMENTS TO DEFENDANTS
So I would have to agree I think. Plaintiff is pushing against the C-ship and demanding Britney and company complete and return the first set of Interrogatories?
They can’t go to a jury trial without them I don’t think. On the other hand couldn’t the push (they have been right?) for the Final Judgment?
November 25th, 2008 at 3:30 pm
I trust MT by the way. That was wicked (good wicked) how he pulled out the moves the other night, told us what was happening — at about the same time I heard it from a different paparazzi and in more colorful words.
November 25th, 2008 at 3:42 pm
I have four windows open. I hope we close a thread or two soon. Damn confusing.
Steel and small, I think you missed this one. http://www.jfxonline.com/jfxonline/2008/11/24/britneys-off-to-germany/
November 25th, 2008 at 3:55 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
November 25th, 2008 at 3:29 pm
Legally I don’t think they could Steel. This isn’t Eardley. But I do think it is a sign that the other side is dragging, i.e., not compelling a certain someone and her attorney to complete the first set of Interrogatories?
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That’s what I meant by C-Ship – Brit and her attorney, with Pa acting on their behalf. It sounds like things are being dragged out…But for what reason?
November 25th, 2008 at 3:57 pm
oops sorry small you were duh there right before me.
November 25th, 2008 at 3:58 pm
It sounds like things are being dragged out…But for what reason?
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Ha, I think I’ll answer my own question…I’m guessing that the C-Ship, for whatever reason, doesn’t want to hand over the financial audits. I think there’s something in them that the C-Ship doesn’t want the world to see, and doesn’t want Brit to have to testify about.
November 25th, 2008 at 3:59 pm
Really good question Steel.
How much income do you think they need back in Brit’s coffers to suffer a loss WEG magnitude?
That is one thought.
And/or. If Britney is well enough to complete the interrogatories … well we know what that means.
November 25th, 2008 at 4:06 pm
I’m thinking it’s Section 41 that they’re more worried about. The “loss” to WEG isn’t really a loss at all, but just a cost of doing business. In a sense.
The monies owed to WEG are likely what is reasonable under the circumstances. It was in a contract, and Brit and her peeps knew about it ahead of time and should’ve budgeted for it.
Perhaps other things (e.g. custody battles, C-Ship costs, lack of tours, etc.) have drained the coffers, and Brit needs to get the upcoming tour under her belt before WEG can be reimbursed? Or maybe it’s the “BLAM” part that they don’t want revealed?
November 25th, 2008 at 4:13 pm
Well by any means the looks of it are they don’t want something revealed. If WEG somehow figures out she’s competent, there is that factor.
And then there is the BLAM part. Fact is that right now they are non-compliant.
WEG didn’t go for sanctions the first time. Why not? They went straight to motion for Default Judgment.
November 25th, 2008 at 4:23 pm
Off topic. Who is Mannequin for? Who is she talking to?
November 25th, 2008 at 4:30 pm
Ah yes. Sec 41.
November 25th, 2008 at 4:46 pm
small hands Says:
November 25th, 2008 at 3:30 am
Can we kind of chuckle at Lynne thinking God brought Sam into her life for a jewelry endorsement deal
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Jewelry endorsement deals…shoe endorsements…Dancing With The Stars…”Top Hollywood Agents”…
Who did Sam know that had these kinds of “connections”? And, as AM has asked, how did Sam get her phone number to contact her about these things?
Is it possible she was the one who first contacted HIM?
November 25th, 2008 at 5:02 pm
I don’t think she would lie Steel. She might omit things or see them through more rose-colored glasses than some but …
I was talking to my mom last night (sorry but she is good to talk to) and we can’t understand why Lynne would have gone to Britney’s house to “search it.”
Mind you she was there with Alli.
November 25th, 2008 at 5:03 pm
Lynne was there with the assistant, Alli.
We know Alli was tight with Sam.
November 25th, 2008 at 5:13 pm
Okay, so he likely contacted her.
I’m just trying to fill in some blanks here. Something isn’t adding up. The “search” is one of the big things that’s nagging at me.
November 25th, 2008 at 5:14 pm
I’ve always maintained that Paris had SOMETHING to do with it all. She seems like the master of schadenfreude – revelling in other’s misery.
Allie is friends with Sam…Allie is friends with Avril Lavigne…Allie is friends with Paris…Allie is friends with Claus Hjlembek (or whatever his name is…)
Any chance the dude that Sam was setting Ma up with was Claus?
November 25th, 2008 at 5:24 pm
http://www.exposay.com/britney-spears-scandinavian-style-mansion/p/15489/22/
November 25th, 2008 at 5:24 pm
http://www.exposay.com/britney-spears-scandinavian-style-mansion/p/15489/24/
November 25th, 2008 at 5:31 pm
I agree about Paris. Those images of her and Sam on her part of the beach and letting Alli know the paps were here… such a bizarre day.
We were building momentum some time ago on Alli.
November 25th, 2008 at 5:34 pm
http://icydk.com/2008/03/19/alli-sims-claus-hjelmbak-enjoy-lunch-a-stroll-together-yesterday/
November 25th, 2008 at 5:34 pm
I’m wondering if the focus should actually be on Claus?
November 25th, 2008 at 5:35 pm
Follow the money…Always follow the money…
November 25th, 2008 at 5:38 pm
Claus was the founder of “Diamond Entertainment,” based in Hollywood. The goal was to make US celebrities even BIGGER over in Europe.
I had found his Web site at one point, but have lost it.
But…Take a look at the kinds of things Claus does. Then ask yourself if this might be the guy that Sam was trying to hook Ma up with.
November 25th, 2008 at 5:39 pm
Sorry…If you want…That sounded kinda bossy! LOL
November 25th, 2008 at 5:39 pm
This is as decent as any in recapping Alli.
http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/categories/alli-sims/page/2/
November 25th, 2008 at 5:54 pm
You bossy Steel? ha.
How many times have I tried to look into Claus?
One thing is for sure — he disappeared.
Domain missing. http://www.claushjelmbak.com/
Don’t forget Alli BFF Lucy Walsh.
Claus is back in Denmark? http://news.lalate.com/2008/04/08/britney-spears-swedish-furniture-line-claims-mag-another-day-another-ottoman-claus-hjelmbak-denies/#more-3296
November 25th, 2008 at 6:06 pm
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1581141/20080207/spears_britney.jhtml
November 25th, 2008 at 6:09 pm
Worth looking back at? http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1581141/20080207/spears_britney.jhtml?rsspartner=rssyahoo
Claus and that money .. note “escrow” — the money was to be held in escrow?
Take a look Steel and small, if you get a chance. I need more eyes.
The question is who was lying? And if it was Claus does he seem proficient? He’s as wormy as Sands.
November 25th, 2008 at 6:09 pm
Another endorsement deal:
http://www.nypost.com/seven/04082008/gossip/pagesix/britney_in_furniture_biz_105452.htm
November 25th, 2008 at 6:13 pm
Ha, ha. We posted the same link at the same time.
Claus was also the guy who had Kitson opened at 1 am the night that Brit got photographed shopping with “Aunt Flo.”
He certainly is in thick with Sam, Allie and Paris, isn’t he?
November 25th, 2008 at 6:14 pm
Wasn’t Larry the guy who introduced Brit to Paris back in Dec. 06, so that it would “improve” her image?
November 25th, 2008 at 6:15 pm
Now how would hanging out with Paris improve her image? I never read anything of credibility that Larry introduced her to Paris. It could be though.
November 25th, 2008 at 6:18 pm
What if…the Paris/Claus thing was a Lynn/Larry thing?
As in, Sam introduced Ma to Claus, following Larry introducing Brit to Paris? And that’s how Sam and Ma started talking?
Sorry, that’s really confusing, but the Larry/Paris/Brit thing sounds like it happened shortly before the Lynn/Allie/Sam thing.
Umm…What I’m asking is…Might there be a connection there?
November 25th, 2008 at 6:18 pm
What happens if the money is placed in some escrow account and Britney doesn’t deliver?
The whole article reeks — The RS article I mean — in terms of everybody hanging out downstairs in the bar or lounge of the hotel …
So Claus not Sam is the one who is the friend of a friend who will introduce the reporter to Britney?
November 25th, 2008 at 6:23 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
November 25th, 2008 at 6:18 pm
So Claus not Sam is the one who is the friend of a friend who will introduce the reporter to Britney?
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Yep.
And now I’m wondering…If Claus was the “top Hollywood agent” that Sam was going to introduce Ma to. Or something to that effect.
And…Money held in escrow…I don’t know what that means, but…Might it somehow fit with racketeering and/or Section 41?
November 25th, 2008 at 6:25 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
November 25th, 2008 at 6:18 pm
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Funny thing is, it doesn’t sound THAT much different than:
http://www.nationalenquirer.com/the_business_of_being_jamie_lynn_spears/celebrity/65597
November 25th, 2008 at 6:35 pm
http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/2007/04/britney-spears-hates-paris-hilton-maybe-fires-larry-rudolph/
Ah, ha ha ha…
November 25th, 2008 at 6:37 pm
Escrow is best known in the United States in the context of real estate (specifically in mortgages where the mortgage company establishes an escrow account to pay property tax and insurance during the term of the mortgage). Escrow companies are also commonly used in the transfer of high value personal and business property, like websites and businesses, and in the completion of person-to-person remote auctions (such as eBay). In the UK escrow accounts are often used during private property transactions to hold solicitors’ client’s money, such as the deposit, until such time as the transaction completes.
Escrow is also known in the judicial context. So-called escrow funds are commonly used to distribute money from a cash settlement in a class action or environmental enforcement action. This way the defendant is not responsible for distribution of judgment monies to the individual plaintiffs or the court-determined use (such as environmental remediation or mitigation). The defendant pays the total amount of the judgment (or settlement) to the court-administered or appointed escrow fund, and the fund distributes the money (often reimbursing its expenses from the judgment funds).
In some jurisdictions, real estate brokers are considered to act as escrow agents when they accept deposits or earnest money for the purchase of real property. In many jurisdictions, the duties of such agents are codified.
Escrow is also used in the field of automated banking and vending equipment. One example is automated teller machines (ATMs), and is the function which allows the machine to hold the money deposited by the customer separately, and in case he or she challenges the counting result, the money is returned. Another example is a vending machine, where the customer’s money is held in a separate escrow area pending successful completion of the transaction. If a problem occurs and the customer presses the refund button, the coins are returned from escrow; if no problem occurs, they fall into the coin vault.[1]
November 25th, 2008 at 6:38 pm
Wrong thread! Oops! LOL
November 25th, 2008 at 6:39 pm
Did I understand that, no, not really. Not in context to the article and Claus talking about Escrow.
One wonders if he did it before? He was so at ease. They all were — Sam Alli Claus all down in the lounge or lobby.
Let’s just say Claus and Sam are friends.
November 25th, 2008 at 6:40 pm
I get the gist of it, but how would close and a bank be able to pen such an agreement with Rolling Stone? And then to involve Britney should she conduct the interview?
November 25th, 2008 at 6:40 pm
how would Claus I mean.
November 25th, 2008 at 6:41 pm
He DID seem at ease, which is what makes me wonder if it had happened before.
November 25th, 2008 at 6:42 pm
Are there any reports in the media of it happening PRIOR to the WEG suit being filed?
November 25th, 2008 at 6:45 pm
I accidentally posted all that escrow definition stuff to the Germany thread. oh well. I think people have moved on from it anyway.
onward
‘Hjelmbak also spoken about the currently reports Britney Spears has multiple personalities, Claus, who knows Britney since 2006 tells People.com : “I have only seen one person and that’s the Britney I first met and seen every time. She’s a very sweet person.”’
But wait — I thought he met her in December 2007? If we can get cross confirmation of 2006…..
http://brit-s.net/01316/britney-spears-to-host-another-scandinavian-style-mansion-party/
November 25th, 2008 at 6:45 pm
Just another photo:
http://www.mtv.com/photos/?fid=1580472&pid=2758065
November 25th, 2008 at 6:48 pm
Good find.
November 25th, 2008 at 6:53 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDT5D-aiWj0
Don’t know why I am posting that one. I never saw it before.
Hollywood is weird.
November 25th, 2008 at 7:33 pm
Let’s not forget Trope and Trope. Allegedly they brought in Adam S. and allegedly were thick with Sam.
I am starting to wonder how many drugs he gave her that final night? She was unable to retain information? Ingham spent 15 minutes with her to determine that?
What if she was on other drugs ala the new psychiatric team?
Can she past the tests?
November 25th, 2008 at 8:14 pm
Not finding a shred of any cross-proof as to Claus and Britney knowing each other before 2007.
November 25th, 2008 at 8:14 pm
Also not finding anything for Claus pre-2007
November 25th, 2008 at 8:15 pm
Claus reunited Paris and Britney? Probably hype but..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31dcfb1px20&feature=related
November 25th, 2008 at 8:24 pm
He’s a very mysterious fellow. An “entrepreneur” and “event planner” that has connections to products/merchandise, endorsements, and building celebrity “brands” in Europe.
But not record of him prior to contact with Brit. Figures.
November 25th, 2008 at 8:26 pm
Another one. Jason Kennedy. He may be a side line but he had exclusives and followed Paris for awhile … “exclusive.” He and Chad were “best friends” allegedly.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cN_l13WNDok&feature=related
Check out what happens to our guys at the end and Uli taking action.
November 25th, 2008 at 8:27 pm
My gut says Claus was a useful willing pond that bought into whatever dream Sam was selling him.
“Relax Claus. She likes it.”
November 25th, 2008 at 8:35 pm
p.s. I am glad no one bit today if you know what I mean.
November 25th, 2008 at 8:42 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
November 25th, 2008 at 8:26 pm
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Nas-tee.
November 25th, 2008 at 8:55 pm
Yes, I know what you mean. Maybe. LOL
Ah, I feel like we’re beating a dead horse with this…except we still have that “search” to figure out…
November 25th, 2008 at 10:43 pm
I know Steel. But how else to find anything than to review what we had before? And stay uptodate on Orlando since we can albeit in limited fashion?
Yeh – I am glad no one bit. It seemed the one posted that which might have been inflammatory but nobody bit or was interested.
She’s entitled to her love and ideals and flowers.
November 26th, 2008 at 2:46 am
anyone watch tmz tonight? see what they said adnan’s been doing?
he’s gotta be one sad, frustrated puppy.
November 26th, 2008 at 4:03 am
Steel and AM, thank you for reminding me about Claus. I found him to be strange when I read the Rolling Stone magazine. Wasn’t he the one who wanted to get paid by RS, then later denied it?
I didn’t think Alli knew Sam before Britney. I thought she had met him the same night Britney did.
November 26th, 2008 at 11:13 am
Amethyst Mine Says:
November 25th, 2008 at 10:43 pm
She’s entitled to her love and ideals and flowers.
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Ah, we were definitely talking about two different people…
I wonder how many times that happens on these blogs in a day? People talking about two different things, but thinking they’re talking about the same thing?!
November 26th, 2008 at 11:14 am
Question…
The “search” of Brit’s house for drugs…
Did it come before or after she was shipped off to Rehab?
November 26th, 2008 at 12:37 pm
11/25/2008 P999 EXHIBITS IN SUPPORT OF A – PERSONAL MANAGEMENT AGREEMENT
11/25/2008 P999 EXHIBITS IN SUPPORT OF EXHIBIT A – FIRST AMENDED COMPLAINT
11/25/2008 P999 EXHIBITS IN SUPPORT OF
11/25/2008 P999 EXHIBITS IN SUPPORT OF
11/25/2008 P999 EXHIBITS IN SUPPORT OF EXHIBIT B – PERSONAL MANAGEMENT AGREEMENT
11/25/2008 P999 MOTION TO DISMISS CROSS CLAIM PLAINTIFFS’ MOTION TO DISMISS DEFENDANTS’ THIRD PARTY COUNTERCLAIMS, AND ALTERNATIVELY FOR A MORE DEFINITE STATEMENT
11/25/2008 P999 MOTION FOR LEAVE TO AMEND PLAINTIFFS’ MOTION FOR LEAVE TO FILE PLAINTIFFS’ FIR ST AMENDED COMPLAINT
11/25/2008 P999 NOTICE OF WITHDRAWAL OF PLAINTIFFS’ MOTION FOR ENFORCEMENT OF THIS COURT’S ORD ERS AS TO JURISDICTION AND FOR SANCTIONS
11/25/2008 P999 REPLY TO AFFIRMATIVE DEFENSES
November 26th, 2008 at 12:39 pm
MH I didn’t see it. What did they say, please?
November 26th, 2008 at 12:45 pm
Steel. Before Rehab and after the head shaving incident.
Steel. I was talking about Ama. If you were talking about a different board and poster, I have not been there.
Small. I am only going on Lynne’s book as to when and how they met. She said Alli met him at a club.
MH. Ahem. Info please. Nothing is coming up in Google.
November 26th, 2008 at 12:50 pm
I’m no lawyer. Exhibit A and B are both documents we’ve seen copies of. They are at the end of the complaint here if interested. http://www.aolcdn.com/tmz_documents/1029_brit_complaint_wm.pdf
Those were interesting motions yesterday if we could cipher them with more ease.
November 26th, 2008 at 12:53 pm
“An affirmative defense is a type of defense in which the defendant seeks to avoid liability by introducing new evidence not addresses in the claims of the plaintiff’s complaint. Such a defense must be raised in the defendan’t answer, and because affirmative defenses require the assertion of facts beyond those claimed by the plaintiff, the defendant has the burden of proof for the defense. The burden of proof is typically lower than beyond a reasonable doubt. It can either be clear and convincing or preponderance of the evidence. An affirmative defense must be timely made by the defendant in order for the court to consider it, or else it is considered waived by the defendant’s failure to assert it.”
http://definitions.uslegal.com/c/civil-procedure-affirmative-defenses/
November 26th, 2008 at 1:19 pm
ooOHHHHoooo MH. It’s not vacation time yet. That’s tomorrow. What’s the scoop?
November 26th, 2008 at 2:53 pm
Steel_Magnolia Says:
November 26th, 2008 at 11:14 am
Question…
The “search” of Brit’s house for drugs…
Did it come before or after she was shipped off to Rehab?
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I was wondering the same thing.
AM–I think Alli had mentioned she had met Sam at a club. Britney met his the same night too. I’m trying to remember where I read that at.
If I recall correctly, mind you this is all info I’ve read from various websites, publications, etc., Sam implied he knew Britney’s family for yrs. He could have been lying. Or he could have been telling the truth. If he knew them for yrs, then it would explain why Lynne felt he could come through with an endorsement deal.
Headache is coming….
November 26th, 2008 at 3:06 pm
lol small @ headache. Don’t I have an unwilling turkey to thaw? Desperate actions here. just kidding. I know my way around T-Day.
I wouldn’t put it past Sam to lie. It would have created a better image for him, be less suspect to others and have others mind their own business.
I don’t know. I am glad the girl fell in love and Adnan came between Sam and Brit.
MH – my last query was intended to be friendly and cute. Where are you? You don’t start baking the bird until tomorrow and if you put it in a bag it only takes a few hours.
November 26th, 2008 at 3:09 pm
ooOOHHoo Steel — small just posted a big one here:
http://www.jfxonline.com/jfxonline/2008/11/24/is-britney-feeling-smothered-by-dad/#comments
November 26th, 2008 at 3:36 pm
I wouldn’t put it past Sam to lie too. But we consider everything, right?
And I am also glad Adnan came between Sam and Britney, which is why I’ve always said that Adnan helped Britney in getting to this point. Only some of us see that though…
November 26th, 2008 at 3:40 pm
yes – we don’t have any rules that I know lol except an appreciation of a lack of snark attacks.
So yes — let’s consider ‘cuz I too remember something about Sam saying he’d known the family for years.
If that was published anywhere I’ll bet it was US but who knows.
November 26th, 2008 at 4:20 pm
So. Is the new evidence to show that WEG isn’t own anything or as much?
It’s odd that the date Feb 2008 for payment is only on the pleading paper (oh I sound so smart) or rather the complaint without that date being in the Plaintiff’s exhibits.
November 26th, 2008 at 4:26 pm
Isn’t owed I meant. And what is this jurisdiction thing coming up again? Why push for it then rescind it? Is this what they are willing to settle for?
“MOTION TO DISMISS DEFENDANTS’ THIRD PARTY COUNTERCLAIMS, AND ALTERNATIVELY FOR A MORE DEFINITE STATEMENT”
Third Party Counterclaims — sounds just Steel’s cup of tea.
November 26th, 2008 at 4:41 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
November 26th, 2008 at 4:26 pm
Third Party Counterclaims — sounds just Steel’s cup of tea.
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Third Party Counterclaims…Sounds like a good description of my LIFE so far! LOL
November 26th, 2008 at 8:20 pm
lol you are not even on holiday yet you are goofy. Did you and M have ganja while I was gone?
Billy Idol was such a good call.
November 26th, 2008 at 9:55 pm
It’s around this time that Doc would tell me to go throw myself into a wall.
November 26th, 2008 at 9:58 pm
Haven’t seen Doc — not anywhere of late. I wonder if he got a job. er she
November 26th, 2008 at 11:12 pm
>>MH. Ahem.
LOL
Sorry AM. I’m in LA and have been busy.
They said… he sits up there. and he can’t get through the gate.
I picture him sitting in his car up on the hill, waiting/hoping for a sighting of her. Feeling sad and frustrated. I’m sure the whole thing is taking a toll on him.
November 26th, 2008 at 11:43 pm
November 27th, 2008 at 12:18 am
Thanks MH.
If you listen to the music posted by MT you get a much clearer view of what it’s like.
I wonder sometimes that MT sees so clear or may at least articulate it for us through the music?
November 27th, 2008 at 12:18 am
what it “may be like?”
November 27th, 2008 at 12:21 am
Now TMZ has never been kind to Adnan. If they had pics of him sitting up there wouldn’t they have humiliated Adnan and published them?
Maybe as paps (but TMZ is press, not paps, they have press passes) that would have been a line too far crossed.
Thanks MH. I did wonder at your disappearance. Sorry for the rain. I guess for sure then it’s going to rain here again tomorrow.
November 27th, 2008 at 12:21 am
MH. What was TMZ’s tone?
November 27th, 2008 at 2:03 am
It was the big guy that said it and if I remember correctly he seemed pretty neutral about it. The original topic Harvey was talking about was something about Brit wanting to see Adnan and dad being against it. Then the big guy chimed in about Adnan.
November 27th, 2008 at 3:06 am
Ok, so they weren’t being snarky. Thanks for telling us. I’ve been thinking more about that “hit one out of the ballpark already.”
I need to think more on it.
November 27th, 2008 at 9:49 pm
I also think that if they have seen him sitting up there they would have taken pictures just to show that he is locked out or something. They may have seen him drive by or something but I cant see him sitting on the hill just waiting unless he is back to paping and then that would be the story. I do wish he could go back to his job if that is what he wants to do. Its a shame that he can’t do what he was so good at and just be himself.
November 28th, 2008 at 7:52 pm
MH thanks again. Harvey actually said those things? I’ve never seen a TMZ program back to back. I’ve seen a glimpse or two so I don’t know if Harvey regularly chimes in.
It’s interesting he would want those details out there in his own voice.
“There is no T, M or Z in my vocabulary.”
The TMZ site is still snarky but … I hope your T-Day went like mine did. The skies cleared and we could sit outside.
November 28th, 2008 at 9:34 pm
The TMZ show is pretty cheezy, but…if Harvey is the guy always chewing on the straw of his drink while talking with his staff…He’s actually pretty likeable!
November 28th, 2008 at 9:35 pm
AM, I think Harvey appears throughout the entire show. And he seems nice and funny…to me at least.
November 28th, 2008 at 9:37 pm
When Adnan said, “The war is on,” and then, “there’s no T, M or Z in my vocabulary,” I took from it that he was saying he didn’t have a beef with them. That the war wasn’t with them.
But I’d have to go back and re-read the thread to be sure.
November 28th, 2008 at 9:51 pm
I read it the opposite Steel. We are Siskel and Ebert.
I saw Harvey on the CNN when Kathy Griffin hosted. He seems affable on camera. But he is in a hard driving business.
November 28th, 2008 at 10:17 pm
TMZ certainly haven’t been nice to Adnan, or really to Brit for that matter.
But to be honest, until I came over to JFX, I kind of had the same opinion of Adnan as they did. I just didn’t “get” where he fit into the story, and didn’t care one way or the other about him. But after coming here, and getting a bit more background, I started to see things differently.
So, I can *kinda* understand why a lot of folks don’t like him. The media instantly jumped on the anti-Adnan bandwagon at the start, and never really got off.
But there’s more to the story than meets the eye…
November 28th, 2008 at 11:17 pm
The media Steel? Please never forget to consider who was controlling the media — albeit some had minds of their own in terms of stories to run with but with Sam at the helm?
November 28th, 2008 at 11:22 pm
That’s exactly what I mean.
November 28th, 2008 at 11:41 pm
When I said the big guy I wasn’t talking about Harvey. I was talking about the big guy, literally (somewhat large guy, he comes off nice, I like him). Harvey spoke about the battle between dad and brit over adnan, then the big big chimed in with the adnan stuff.
November 28th, 2008 at 11:45 pm
I took the lack of letters in the vocab to mean he had no desire for them in his world.
November 28th, 2008 at 11:47 pm
MH if you were a layman, what side did you think you might have sided with after viewing such a review?
Pretend you are my real friend (I mean real as in I have one of the following viewpoint) who couldn’t wait to be right, when Britney died and then it didn’t happen.
Would you eat up what TMZ supplied? Would it confirm your view that if Daddy weren’t in the picture that Britney would be right back to it?
I am just asking if the report influenced you in one way or another, if you were a layman.
November 29th, 2008 at 12:15 am
It was a pretty nuetral segment and that’s basically the effect it had on me.
November 29th, 2008 at 12:16 am
it’s a typo day…
November 29th, 2008 at 12:17 am
I’m not touching the rest of it.
November 29th, 2008 at 12:34 am
Thanks MH. I felt a similar take re the lack of letters in his alphabet.
November 30th, 2008 at 3:45 pm
MH Says:
November 28th, 2008 at 11:45 pm
I took the lack of letters in the vocab to mean he had no desire for them in his world.
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Yeah…I could agree with this. “No desire” could equal “No beef” or “No war,” or that they were meaningless to him.
As in, he wasn’t taking THEM on, head to head. If that makes sense?
November 30th, 2008 at 3:56 pm
Correction…
He could have a “beef” with them, without actually going head to head with them.
Sometimes it’s best not to acknowledge something than to address it. Addressing it (or he or she) gives it (or them) the attention it doesn’t deserve.
November 30th, 2008 at 7:31 pm
Interesting perspective Steel.
My interpretation included that he was aloft from them, “above them” in an ethical way.
November 30th, 2008 at 8:48 pm
Steel_Magnolia Says:
November 30th, 2008 at 8:30
It really is messed up that pap videos and gossip rags were used as part of the custody case. How did THAT happen?!
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The Punyman and Jane Doe. I forgot about that one!
December 1st, 2008 at 8:57 pm
Still here if for nothing than to keep the thread open.
We’ll hopefully have more action down South soon.
The case is marked confidential – I guess, yet we can semi-see the prosecution’s move? I think we can move from plaintiff to prosecution, maybe?
December 2nd, 2008 at 11:02 am
I’m more interested in the defense’s move than the prosecution’s!
December 2nd, 2008 at 11:04 am
Err, wrong terminology.
I mean, I’m more interesting in the defense’s move than the plaintiffs.
Err…You know what I mean. LOL
December 2nd, 2008 at 11:08 am
I have this big theory in my head that interconnects marriage, rehab, WEG, Lutfi, the 5150’s, the C-Ship and the Permanent C-Ship.
Is anyone else seeing it, or is it just my imagination?
December 2nd, 2008 at 8:41 pm
No it’s not just you.
Meanwhile, hey smarty pants. We carried on without you but if you show up welcome.
I am a little ired or I am Irish or whatever.
December 3rd, 2008 at 11:00 am
well MT pushed us to Elvis again so I’m guessing maybe he wants this to continue until we figure it out.
December 3rd, 2008 at 12:45 pm
12/2/2008 MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE OF HEARING ON MOTION TO COMPEL COMPLETE ANSWERS TO PLAI NTIFFS’ FIRST SET OF INTERROGATORIES AND FIRST REQUEST TO PRODUCE
12/2/2008 NOTICE OF HEARING: ON CONSERVATORS’ MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE OF HEARING ON MOTIO N TO COMPEL COMPLETE ANSWERS TO PLAINTIFFS’ FIRST SET OF INTERROGATORIES AND FI RST REQUEST TO PRODUCE
December 3rd, 2008 at 3:25 pm
AM, I’m lost on where the WEG suit sits…
Did the C-Sh. ever hand over the financials?
December 3rd, 2008 at 3:26 pm
The TMZ report said that Brit was thankful to Pa for straightening out her finances. That implies that they’ve ALREADY been straightened out.
Am I understanding that right?
December 3rd, 2008 at 4:50 pm
Is the TMZ report new? I am just getting my feet wet just now.
You have the same info I do: we don’t know what they handed over to WEG.
It doesn’t sound like the hearing tomorrow will be too interesting but on the other hand the judge may make new Orders? There are motions on the table right?
Actually there wasn’t a code in front of the actions which has “historically” meant the action was by the judge.
December 3rd, 2008 at 4:59 pm
The TMZ report was from last week. Or around in there. The link might be higher up in this thread.
The only reason I was asking…Well, it didn’t have to do with the WEG suit, really. More to do with a theory I’m rolling around in my head.
Thanks for the info. The WEG suit has been more of your specialty. I tried wrapping my head around it, but then started spreading my brain cells too thin!
Too much info and things going on! LOL
December 3rd, 2008 at 5:01 pm
well I consider this thread a bonus especially since you are here and try to make some sense out of what I have posted. You and others but you know what I mean.
December 3rd, 2008 at 5:04 pm
steel don’t worry about the link. I just went back through Nov 24th — nothing.
December 3rd, 2008 at 5:10 pm
It was this:
http://www.tmz.com/2008/11/24/britney-wants-daddy-to-lay-off/
I was just wondering what getting her “business affairs in order” really meant.
December 3rd, 2008 at 5:14 pm
Something I’m still thinking of…
What happens when someone goes to Rehab? In terms of finances? Do they hand over control of this to someone else while they are in there? (e.g. Is it like a Mini C-Ship until they are discharged?) Or do they remain in control the entire time?
December 3rd, 2008 at 8:53 pm
I would imagine the guy who was in charge of paying for her finances handled things. Grossman.
Don’t read “so” far into Steel. I don’t think Papa is a totally bad man but he needs to let go.
It must be interesting though to be so important now. He never was before or at least not since his family went into bankruptcy etc.
I am not being mean just… he’s shaking hands with folk, talking about fishing, trying to do right but also? He’s human. Let her go papa and damn you if you are preventing her from love.
Just really a big f to that. I’m sure you’ve made your promises.
Where are the doctors in all of this? Have they retracted, withdrawn, become believers in what.
She is an unusual creature, like I. Not just anyone is going to get me but that does not make me someone to constantly suspect and analyze.
Let her go papa.
December 3rd, 2008 at 8:56 pm
Steel. The article just says business affairs. So…
We had Sam at the helm possibly steering her this way or that and not being forthright about phone calls or legal affairs and he was in cahoots with Grossman.
maybe.. um yeh
Grossman turned him in, abandoned him, “It was heeem that was looking for money.” Momentary deflection.
Sorry for the accent.
December 3rd, 2008 at 10:44 pm
>>>>What happens when someone goes to Rehab? In terms of finances? Do they hand over control of this to someone else while they are in there? (e.g. Is it like a Mini C-Ship until they are discharged?) Or do they remain in control the entire time?
they remain in control of everything in their life. unless, other arrangements are made.
December 4th, 2008 at 11:16 am
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 3rd, 2008 at 8:53 pm
I would imagine the guy who was in charge of paying for her finances handled things. Grossman. Don’t read “so” far into Steel. I don’t think Papa is a totally bad man but he needs to let go.
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It wouldn’t have been Pa involved at the time of the stints in Rehab – it would’ve been Ma and Brit’s business handlers.
I’m looking at it from that perspective.
December 4th, 2008 at 11:17 am
MH Says:
December 3rd, 2008 at 10:44 pm
they remain in control of everything in their life. unless, other arrangements are made.
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Okay, thanks. This is what I figured, but wasn’t really sure.
There’s a method to my madness for asking these things, I swear!
December 4th, 2008 at 12:22 pm
Okay, what I’m getting at is…Is there a possibility that Ma messed up? Did something that Pa is now trying to cover for her on?
December 4th, 2008 at 12:46 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 3rd, 2008 at 8:53 pm
I don’t think Papa is a totally bad man but he needs to let go.
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AM, I agree with this, so that’s why I’m trying to look at things from another perspective.
I just have this little grain of an idea and don’t know if I’ve quite got it figured out in my head yet. So I’m trying to fill in some blanks.
December 4th, 2008 at 3:31 pm
# Steel_Magnolia Says:
December 4th, 2008 at 12:22 pm
Okay, what I’m getting at is…Is there a possibility that Ma messed up? Did something that Pa is now trying to cover for her on?
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Leaving the finances out of it, it seems Ma was fired when Britney decided to do her own updates.
I am not BS but I would have found Ma’s efforts at retaining control cloying.
aw. No more Lynne’s corner.
December 4th, 2008 at 3:38 pm
Brit did her own updates when she got married I think.
Maybe K-Fed didn’t like those updates or Brit didn’t. Either way Ma was pushed away.
So she momentarily lost her place … and was looking at a jewelry deal offered by Sam?
I do appreciate it must have been hard on Lynne finding some new role. I’d say she might have gone back to teaching school but she got a taste of something better? I don’t mean the money. I mean accolades, interest, people who valued her, things she didn’t get from Jamie?
But let’s say she was still involved in BTI.
mmm…no. How would Lynne have explained her lack of involvement in Brit’s life so early on? She no longer had Lynne’s Corner.
I don’t know what I am thumping on here but the absence of Lynne’s Corner sounds pretty good.
Lynne just wasn’t as needed when Britney was married.
December 4th, 2008 at 3:39 pm
Wait. ok. She stopped doing Lynne’s Corner when the couple was married. When during the marriage I don’t know but she was still floundering in 2007 just before Brit’s trip to rehab?
December 4th, 2008 at 3:54 pm
AM, What I’m saying is that…maybe…the C-Ship, as it is now, is quite similar to the arrangement that was in place with Ma, prior to Brit marrying K-Fed.
I’m wondering if something has happened…Between Lynne’s Corner going caput, and Brit being carted off to Rehab.
…Something to do with finances. Something that Pa had to straighten out once he took over the C-Ship.
December 4th, 2008 at 3:59 pm
Is it possible that Brit’s missing $40 million was not lost or spent at all, but merely diverted? Until the train got back on the track?
December 4th, 2008 at 6:04 pm
This article is about the divorce settlement…But is just funny, in that it quotes Michael Sands, speaking on K-Fed’s behalf, on April 1, 2007:
http://www.reuters.com/article/entertainmentNews/idUSKUA07972520070401
I keep forgetting he originally worked for Kaplan.
December 4th, 2008 at 6:33 pm
If that is the case then Lynne is more crazy than I’ve begun to think she is.
The pair of them.
December 4th, 2008 at 7:02 pm
…Hmmm…
That’s just one theory. Then again, Sam WAS bragging to her about how HE controlled Brit’s money. As if he KNEW that would drive her wild to hear it.
December 4th, 2008 at 7:05 pm
Something’s just not adding up there…
When did Lynne’s Corner go caput again? That link you had to her old Web site cache was really telling. I couldn’t see all the graphics, but you could see the actually dates that the Web site was changed, and – looking back – they corresponded with big things going on in her life.
December 4th, 2008 at 7:44 pm
Steel. This is uniquely for you and completely off topic or not.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwVVxlmYOok&feature=related
Way off topic or not. The marvel was the long pans and capture by the filmographer.
I went to some expo in Seattle years ago where they “revealed” to us what they had done. They compared it to Singing in the Rain.
Part of the guise was doorways.
I don’t know how doorways would translate on paper… but your brain would be the one.
I am on to something maybe with doorways. It’s stupid but I am an artist. You too. Enjoy the music and those long pans.
December 5th, 2008 at 11:42 am
12/4/2008 P999 EXHIBITS IN SUPPORT OF C – THIRD AMENDED CASE MANAGEMENT REPORT
12/4/2008 P999 EXHIBITS IN SUPPORT OF B – TRI-STAR LETTER 7.24.08
12/4/2008 P999 EXHIBITS IN SUPPORT OF A – CASE MANAGEMENT ORDER 5.8.08
12/4/2008 P999 MOTION TO AMEND ORDER
12/4/2008 P999 AMENDED NOTICE OF HEARING:
December 5th, 2008 at 2:03 pm
Steel. I hope you got my brief explanation and apology on the K-Fed thread. I was stupid and I know it. You were one of my thoughts over my first cup of coffee this morning. I knew I had to make amends.
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Tri-Star again? Here’s the first time we saw it.
11/18/2008 P999 EXHIBITS IN SUPPORT OF I – DEFENDANTS’ LETTER OF 8/5/08 AND TRISTAR ENCLOSURE
December 5th, 2008 at 2:19 pm
5/14/2008 D-A AFFIRMATIVE DEFENSES TO COMPLAINT BY DEFT (translation, new evidence by defense)
10/1/2008 MOTION FOR LEAVE TO FILE AMENDED AFFIRMATIVE DEFENSES TO THE COMPLAINT AND FOR LEAVE TO FILE A COUNTERCLAIM AND THIRD-PARTY COMPLAINT
So things were happening during the gap.
December 5th, 2008 at 2:21 pm
Tri Star Sports
Britney Spears Fashion: For Sale!
Britney Spears Fashion: For Sale!
Seven articles of clothing once worn by pop star Britney Spears are among the pieces offered by online auctioneers Gotta Have It! in its Rock & Roll Pop Art Auction.
One of the featured pieces is a T-shirt worn by Spears while she was a cast member on the New Mickey Mouse Club and signed by her co-stars, including Justin Timberlake, Christina Aguilera, and Keri Russell.
One of the items not being featured: pants. She hates those.
Other items up for bit include some ree-diculous, titillating outfits from her “Drive Me Crazy” and “Oops, I Did it Again” world tours. Follow this link to nostalgically remember the glory days of Britney Spears fashion.
Proceeds from the sales of the Spears items, which are provided by Tri Star Sports and Entertainment Group on behalf of the singer, will go to charity. The company’s owner, Lou Taylor, is a spokesperson for the Spears family.
http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:OVA19pqPgz8J:pickedstar.com/britney-spears-fashion-for-sale.html “tri-star” lou taylor&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=5&gl=us
December 5th, 2008 at 2:23 pm
A date and a little more. The proceeds will go to a charity of Tri-Star’s choosing? Why not Brit’s?
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20210486,00.html?xid=rss-fullcontentcnn
December 5th, 2008 at 2:38 pm
Because Britney did not donate those articles of clothing.
But then why not to the charity of the Spears’ family choosing?
What was the “show” here? What were we the public supposed to come away with after reading these announcements?
December 5th, 2008 at 4:53 pm
What I know: we will never get this news anywhere else.
December 5th, 2008 at 5:10 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 5th, 2008 at 2:21 pm
Proceeds from the sales of the Spears items, which are provided by Tri Star Sports and Entertainment Group on behalf of the singer, will go to charity. The company’s owner, Lou Taylor, is a spokesperson for the Spears family.
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BTI…
What happens after a tour is over, to all of the wardrobe and prop items? Who owns them? BTI?
What happens when the items are sold and the proceeds don’t go back to BTI? (Apart from charity, I mean).
Do we have any evidence of Lou & Co. selling any other items and pocketing the money?
December 5th, 2008 at 5:29 pm
Just a quick thought…
Lou and Michael Sands have, basically, the same jobs. One works for Jamie, Lynn and Jamie Lynn. The other works for K-Fed.
Jamie, Lynn and K-Fed were all working together (by the looks of it) to get Brit into Rehab (using the boys against her). Jamie and Lynn continued to visit with K-Fed during 2007, until the 5150’s.
I don’t know where I’m going with this…??
Maybe Michael Sands has more to say about Lou?
December 5th, 2008 at 6:06 pm
Wouldn’t I love to hear from Sands.
I know we are coming at this from different angles but I am still wondering about Britney’s clothes, left at home or given to her Grandmother.
MONEY. Did Tri-Star give the money to charity? Why not a press release about that? Britney Spears has donated… from her sale of the proceeds … via Tri Star, a nice guy, the Spears spokesperson.
Nope. Only the set up and hype of it looking like Tri Star was helping the girl … or that Britney was doing this great thing like auctioning off her clothing for charity.
Something strange here between BTI and Tri Star.
The message to me that was established is the acceptance of Lou being a spokesperson for the family.
“Deal with me you assholes. If you want to talk to Casey or anyone go through me.”
National Enquirer with just a little more colorful (clarifying?) wording.
December 5th, 2008 at 6:13 pm
The Spears family has donated…
http://www.thecelebrityblog.com/2008/09/britney-spears-portrait-ebay-charity-auction/
I am a stooge. I read these articles the first time and thought that’s nice BRITNEY is doing this.
December 5th, 2008 at 6:20 pm
I also thought it was Britney donating the painting. Well, donating it at the suggestion of Pa and Lou.
However, it is not from Brit, but from “The Spears Family.” (Which may only include Jamie, Lynn and Jamie Lynn.)
How many other times has this happened?
We may be coming at this from different angles, but the result may eventually be the same…
I’m wondering if profits which SHOULD have gone to BTI have instead gone to “The Spears Family.” On a number of occasions.
December 5th, 2008 at 6:20 pm
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/22570941#22570941
8 minutes but Lou speaks.
December 5th, 2008 at 6:28 pm
Lou says it all. That she speaks for everyone but Britney.
Of course she doesn’t say the latter but she lists who she does represent and Britney is not among those.
December 5th, 2008 at 6:28 pm
Steel. Where did we get Lou in the first place? You I think with MT’s encouragement?
December 5th, 2008 at 6:31 pm
I got it from one of his posts. He mentioned it vaguely, so I did some Googling and came up with a name. I can’t think of the thread off-hand. Several weeks/months went by between him mentioning it and me bringing it up on the thread.
December 5th, 2008 at 6:34 pm
I think, from here on in, it may be a good idea to separate Brit from “The Spears Family.” They appear to have always been two separate entities:
http://popsugar.com/219285
December 5th, 2008 at 6:42 pm
Good one. Things look different now that we have more info.
It doesn’t matter the thread: I was giving you credit. What a plum you found to me anyway.
Yes. Split.
Spears family v. Britney.
December 5th, 2008 at 6:47 pm
Phil believes in twelve step and God.
December 5th, 2008 at 6:47 pm
No offense to anyone who does too.
I’m looking at alliance and culture.
December 5th, 2008 at 6:54 pm
November 6th, 2008 at 9:31 pm
Great work steel. Lou is a woman, AM.
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Several weeks before this.
December 5th, 2008 at 6:55 pm
November 6th, 2008 at 9:43 pm
And was was left, she sold. LOL!
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Sounds like he’s referring to your auction.
December 5th, 2008 at 6:56 pm
Took his name out so it wouldn’t show up in Google.
December 5th, 2008 at 6:59 pm
Thanks Steel esp about leaving his name out.
I’m re-reading things from the past.
I can’t find a reputable website but who else could have told police about Brit taking vitamins? Alli. Sam. It was a great set up.
“When police tried to cover her with a sweater, she screamed, “Don’t cover me up. I’m f—ing hot,” according to the report.
The source reveals Spears was mostly incoherent, screaming, “What the f—are you doing in my house?” and “I don’t need your f—ing help” at the authorities.
The singer’s assistant, who was present for the stand-off with police, told officers Spears had been “popping” “vitamins” all day. Officers found a bottle of Prozac in her bedroom, according to TMZ.com.
Her longtime companion, Sam Lutfi, arrived on the scene and told officers he “knew this was coming for a long time,” but didn’t know how bad it would be. He told the authorities that Spears had been extremely unstable and had recently purchased a house in Malibu, California on a whim, began moving furniture in and then changed her mind.
The police officers are expected to testify about the incident at a custody hearing on Monday.”
But to what? No Brit, no money, unless there was a door of access without her … but first she had to be…
December 5th, 2008 at 7:01 pm
In Lynne’s book Sam wasn’t there after he called her to be there. He came later.
I wonder where he went.
This won’t lead to Lou but …I don’t think anyway but what the heck.
December 5th, 2008 at 7:32 pm
Didn’t know what to make of it when I Googled it and got the name:
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October 17th, 2008 at 5:43 pm
Lynn is milking it on her end as part of the pact him and Jamie had made. If there are any questions that need be made you are reffered to a person named in a recent story in the Enquirer. They have some serious stories to tell. More power to them. Oh and daddy Spears definately has his closet full of skeletons. His reign ends before the end of the year. Only way he can continue is if Britney herself writes a letter to the judge with her signature on it stating that she wants her father till next summer. Why would she? That wont be to hard. All daddy has to say is, do you want to see your babies.
December 5th, 2008 at 7:54 pm
Reigned in.
December 5th, 2008 at 8:06 pm
Looking at old stuff: the voice of Lou.
http://perezhilton.com/?p=10850
““Ms. Spears is a devout Christian with a spotless reputation, who lives in accordance with the highest moral and ethical standards in accordance with her faith.
There is no “rumor” concerning Ms. Spears’ (non-existent) pregnancy, except perhaps for the baseless “rumor” just now being created by the National Enquirer.
Ms. Spears is not pregnant. It is pathetic for the National Enquirer to attempt to create a wholly baseless “rumor” that Ms. Spears is pregnant, so it can run a malicious story and false story which would be emotionally devastating to a morally upright 16 year old girl.””
December 5th, 2008 at 8:07 pm
Do you want to see your babies?
Well, looks like it’s time for a world tour then.
Just sign here, here and here.
December 5th, 2008 at 8:08 pm
I’m reading this knowing the backdrop of the story now to send Jamie Lynne away to Tennessee where she will learn Christian values etc.
I look at it wondering what is this family thinking just now with Lou at the helm.
Lou lied then, Lou is lying…
December 5th, 2008 at 8:13 pm
It’s worth going back and taking a look at her official Web site. Especially the “Our Services” section. “Branding” isn’t the only specialty.
December 5th, 2008 at 8:20 pm
Yep. Things read different than when I or even you were more Civilian.
December 5th, 2008 at 8:23 pm
Let’s go back to Tri Star?
A letter was offered by the Defense.
New evidence was offered.
Are they tied together?
What new evidence could said letter produce to show Britney was not responsible or did not owe the money or was it in defense of Conservator?
pickle
December 5th, 2008 at 8:27 pm
ok
a) did not owe the money
b) Conservator was not responsible
c) somebody else was in charge
d) …
New evidence?
Is Tri Star “expert testimony?” Why is Lou involved?
I feel like a took a small chip at a large block of ice, but only on the corner of it where nobody would notice if I stopped or was stopped.
December 5th, 2008 at 8:28 pm
I’m starting to think Wright and Mr. Ganja are on the same team.
…Maybe they just don’t know it.
December 5th, 2008 at 8:30 pm
d) Money diverted to “TSF” instead of to “BTI.”
Concealment.
December 5th, 2008 at 8:32 pm
See:
Steel_Magnolia Says:
December 5th, 2008 at 6:34 pm
To give context to that theory.
December 5th, 2008 at 8:34 pm
That’s just a theory, mind you. Your angles could still be much more realistic.
Just trying to see how things may dovetail. Our research here with what MT is saying.
December 5th, 2008 at 8:38 pm
Lou is spinmaster. How does she spin in this court of law?
December 5th, 2008 at 8:41 pm
Perhaps the judge is looking at articles, similar to the ones you posted earlier (clothing, painting) that date between December 2006 and February 2008.
December 5th, 2008 at 8:42 pm
Question…
Was the spinmaster spinning during the period that the WEG suit alleges negotiations and concealment?
December 5th, 2008 at 8:45 pm
Or…
Did this situation exist between December 2006 and February 2008?
“The term racket comes from the Italian word ricatto (blackmail) and is also used as a pejorative term for legitimate businesses. Typically, this usage is based on the example of the “protection racket” and indicates that the speaker believes that the business is making money by selling a solution to a problem that it created (or that it intentionally allows to continue to exist), specifically so that continuous purchases of the solution are always needed.” (Wiki)
December 5th, 2008 at 8:46 pm
Or what about this one?
“The term was also used to describe the lavish parties thrown by gangs (circa 1850) located in the Five Points (New York City). Corrupt politicians sold tickets to these parties through coercion and threatening ultimatums.” (Wiki)
December 5th, 2008 at 8:47 pm
# Steel_Magnolia Says:
December 5th, 2008 at 8:28 pm
I’m starting to think Wright and Mr. Ganja are on the same team.
…Maybe they just don’t know it.
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Agreed and you are the brains of the operation. I tend to hold off, “No wait, they are nice people right????”
You aim in without the emotion and I mean that in a positive way, like a surgeon who does the job. I think I am more messy and slow. Onward we go.
December 5th, 2008 at 8:50 pm
# Steel_Magnolia Says:
December 5th, 2008 at 8:30 pm
d) Money diverted to “TSF” instead of to “BTI.”
Concealment.
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But the idea was “new information” right so that Defense wins.
If TS shows they were funneled information they would self-incriminate themselves.
Next hand?
What in the world is TS doing in the Affirmatives (new evidence)? Does TS have hold or access over finance? Why else to be involved?
December 5th, 2008 at 8:51 pm
correction: funneled money.
eww or was that Freudian?
December 5th, 2008 at 9:02 pm
Let me play along with your game for a bit.
Defense.
Of Jamie or the Spears family??
A positive spin.
Where is the money where did it go?
December 5th, 2008 at 9:02 pm
TS didn’t stand for Tri-Star, by the way.
December 5th, 2008 at 9:07 pm
On Lou. She did not really come into the media spotlight on the Spears family until 2008. Am I wrong?
I mean the spotlight. She was back there otherwise spinning her way.
I have hated the New York Post thinking them anti-Britney but what if they were spun by Lou? e.g., Papa indicating he was mad or disappointed or whatever in what Britney said about Larry? (post rehab)
I thought that was Sam’s spinning, “See Brit everyone thinks you are crazy and then there is your dad. He’s not for you. He’s against.”
December 5th, 2008 at 9:07 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 5th, 2008 at 8:47 pm
You aim in without the emotion and I mean that in a positive way, like a surgeon who does the job.
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Yes…But always with the idea, “Innocent until proven guilty.”
That means guilty in a court of law. And I’m no court. So I toss out ideas, with the assumption that if this ever went any further, that person is innocent until a judge and jury says otherwise.
If that makes sense.
December 5th, 2008 at 9:09 pm
Let’s go back to money and defense.
Lou comes in and spins what.
She represents everyone but Britney. What is she going to know about Britney and how pitiful perhaps she is the New Evidence against the Plaintiff?
If I understood Affirmative Defenses at all to equal: new evidence.
December 5th, 2008 at 9:10 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 5th, 2008 at 9:07 pm
I have hated the New York Post thinking them anti-Britney but what if they were spun by Lou? e.g., Papa indicating he was mad or disappointed or whatever in what Britney said about Larry? (post rehab)
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I wouldn’t be shocked if that official statement to the press was WRITTEN by Lou.
December 5th, 2008 at 9:11 pm
The goal always being to save the Spears name. A separation of Brit’s actions from the rest of the family. Because there’s always money to be made on the names of Jamie (”celebrity chef”), Lynn (”Author”) and Jamie Lynn.
December 5th, 2008 at 9:11 pm
Hence we make a reasonable team Steel. We come from opposite sides and we listen to each other.
Sometimes obstinately. (my side)
December 5th, 2008 at 9:13 pm
Ever wonder why Brit didn’t tour for Blackout?
December 5th, 2008 at 9:19 pm
Blackout was released on October 29, 2007.
Think of where that fits into the timeline. Then refer to:
Steel_Magnolia Says:
December 5th, 2008 at 8:07 pm
Quite a disgusting thought I just had.
December 5th, 2008 at 9:20 pm
# Steel_Magnolia Says:
December 5th, 2008 at 9:11 pm
The goal always being to save the Spears name. A separation of Brit’s actions from the rest of the family. Because there’s always money to be made on the names of Jamie (”celebrity chef”), Lynn (”Author”) and Jamie Lynn.
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very good point and let’s keep that one in mind.
So if Lou was called in what was to hide? How is Lou somehow and ace witness or someone to give testimony? She appears twice in the public documents.
P999 — I got no proof but I think that is action by plaintiff so why are they bringing up Lou’s letter?
Lou’s letter is an example of….
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yeh — MT and WEG same side whether they know it or not.
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I honestly don’t know how much longer they can keep up this “crazy” image of Britney in the public eye by the way.
They must think they are really good. Cocky.
If the latter it’s too our side of the board.
People who know how to play knights effectively can be cocky. They assume the other player is too dumb and deserves what is coming, unless they equally matched. Then one is SIG careful about horses and no drawing attention.
Did you get the meaning of the rook on the other side of the board?
Other players are limited in the spaces or amount they can jump and in what direction.
A rook is almost as good as a queen. She can move in any direction but a rook can only move side to side like forward or to the left but never at a diagonal.
There are two rooks starting out on each side but only one queen on each side.
Rook is important. Powerful. It is not a player played immediately in part because it’s held back and concealed by other pieces such as ponds, knights, and so on but mainly by ponds. You have to get them out of the way before exacting torture on an opponent.
December 5th, 2008 at 9:23 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 5th, 2008 at 9:20 pm
She appears twice in the public documents. P999 — I got no proof but I think that is action by plaintiff so why are they bringing up Lou’s letter? Lou’s letter is an example of….
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A letter? Or a…press release?
December 5th, 2008 at 9:47 pm
Oh I think it has to be more than a press release to make it into court but what do I know?
It was the defense presenting information and it looks like Plaintiff brought it back up?
A hearing was a stage where the judge could make orders.
Only three exhibits presented. Lou was one of them.
How exactly does Lou shield the family in this one? Did she do some nastee against Brit?
December 5th, 2008 at 9:51 pm
Okay, I was thinking it might have been a press release that was distributed to news outlets, and that WEG might have brought up as an example of, e.g. Brit being capable of sitting for a deposition.
December 5th, 2008 at 11:02 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 5th, 2008 at 8:50 pm
*** But the idea was “new information” right so that Defense wins. If TS shows they were funneled information they would self-incriminate themselves. Next hand? What in the world is TS doing in the Affirmatives (new evidence)? Does TS have hold or access over finance? Why else to be involved?
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Maybe Tri-S does have hold or access over finance. Maybe not finance for Brit (per se), but finance of TSF.
(See the Tri-S Web site…Tax and Accounting Services, Financial and Estate Planning…)
Trying to show money WASN’T funneled?
December 5th, 2008 at 11:06 pm
12/4/2008 P999 EXHIBITS IN SUPPORT OF C – THIRD AMENDED CASE MANAGEMENT REPORT
12/4/2008 P999 EXHIBITS IN SUPPORT OF B – TRI-STAR LETTER 7.24.08
12/4/2008 P999 EXHIBITS IN SUPPORT OF A – CASE MANAGEMENT ORDER 5.8.08
12/4/2008 P999 MOTION TO AMEND ORDER
12/4/2008 P999 AMENDED NOTICE OF HEARING:
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Case Management I think is just an i.d. of how the case will be pursued like an organized process but I don’t know that.
Was there a hearing yesterday or not?
Amend what order? How we will proceed?
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Case managment in legal terms refers to the schedule of proceedings involved in a matter. There are various stages in litigation, such as the filing of a complaint, answers, the discovery process (interrogatories, subpoenae, depostions, etc.), and motions that occur before a trial is held or a decision is rendered. Each stage of the process has a scheduled timeframe in which it must be filed with the court or completed. When a complaint is filed and a case is assigned to a judge, the judge will often set forth a schedule for the submission or completion of the relevant pleadings, court appearances, and other matters.
Relevant legal forms include:
* Case Management Statement
* Case Management Agreement
* Case Management Plan Order
* Case Management Order
* Letter – Case Management Plan Order
* Case Management Checklist
* Stipulation Regarding Consideration of Judicial Collaboration Case Management Program
* Case Management Notification – Workers’ Compensation
http://www.uslegalforms.com/civilprocedure/casemanagement/
December 5th, 2008 at 11:10 pm
Oh, duh!
Tri-S might be the company in charge of “straightening out” Brit’s financials.
“Thanks, Mr. Grossman, we’ll take those files from you…Here, you go, Lou.”
December 5th, 2008 at 11:11 pm
Tri Star will not throw a nasty at Pops.
Tri Star will not throw a nasty at ______ in July 2008.
Tri Star will provide _________ to protect the Spears family name and coffers.
She has no loyalty however to Britney ‘cuz Britney is not with the church for one. Does that make it a lesser offense to do wrong to her to “show Britney the way back to the Lord?” or to “keep the faithful faithful?”
I suck at religious things but if they are going to talk so much about God the we may as well explore it. Jamie Lynne pregnant? Oh no. She is a Christian woman and her parents tooooo. (National Enquirer – source Louise)
Hiding behind the Lord. Can we flat out say that Lou thinks it’s fine to lie? And get others to lie?
Jamie Lynne pregnant? Oh no. no no no.
But she was.
December 5th, 2008 at 11:16 pm
a) Is there any way to verify that TSF is a client of TS for financial management purposes?
and
b) Is there any way to verify that TS is also now managing BS’s financials (via the C-S)?
December 5th, 2008 at 11:18 pm
Do you understand what I mean now, re: a separation of monies around the time of Rehab?
Moving the cookie jar from here…to over here…so that BS couldn’t dip her hand into it and waste it?
…That’s a side note. Not even important. Yet.
December 5th, 2008 at 11:25 pm
BTI = Britney = the Artist = anything she touches or touched
Pops has authority or represents along with Andrew Wallet, BTI, the artist, anything she touched w/gross receipts. Britney is purportedly unable to participate in anything except appearances outside of court.
You can’t go after Britney you go after Pops and Wallet.
Lou represents Pops. Why. What can she say to get Pops off the hook? Or… what is her involvement in someone she doesn’t represent?
BTI had who as employees?
round and round we go but Tri Star is a clue?
December 5th, 2008 at 11:28 pm
December 2nd, 2008 at 2:36 pm
It’s no longer about Britney Spears the ‘Brand’, she’s already a well know image. She cant go anywhere without being recognized. It’s the new celeb behind the celeb. A needed introduction of the new marriage. Thats the person or persons that needs their image polished. That’s when the PR campaign starts. Disablers as they claimed must be removed. Anything that might get in the way of their image. Funny how I tried the place the Christian concept of religion regarding image on this one. Someone has to pay for these sins, lol.
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12920032/
December 5th, 2008 at 11:35 pm
November 9th, 2008 at 3:22 am
You guys are awesome. Ohh, and Larry Rudolf is a nice show piece a very pretty pawn. Bishops are pussies? Well now atleast we know where the lawyers fall in place.
…
Branding Strategies
Cross-Serving Market Strategies
Promotions
Tours
Special Appearances
Media Training
Lets just ad
‘Conservatorship’
‘Tool’
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Conservatorship. Tool.
December 5th, 2008 at 11:35 pm
“Moving the cookie jar from here…to over here…so that BS couldn’t dip her hand into it and waste it?
…That’s a side note. Not even important. Yet.”
I’d say it’s something that slips my mind that should be there in my mind as a consideration.
Moving the cookie jar. But MH said finances would be the same while in rehab.
You ask about proving some things. I bring up money again but let me detail. You can get some court records in both NY and in L.A. but they cost so much per page. I wouldn’t be quite as hesitant but in NY you can do a search and have to pay for the number of pages returned in just the search. If I understood.
I can’t afford it Steel.
It’s free in Orange County, FL for now.
Let’s stop. MH may be right or wrong about Brit’s circumstances and that cookie jar. It would have been a logical time to move it.
And off topic but on topic, K-Fed saying “ultimatums” in his People.com … that didn’t seem innocent to me.
December 5th, 2008 at 11:42 pm
Wait. I am reading the tiny print on BH’s copy of People. He didn’t give Britney an ultimatum about what?
He still makes her look bad.
December 5th, 2008 at 11:47 pm
It seems like it’s all a fight about the cookie jar. Who’s in control of the cookie jar.
Ma and Pa…Until she’s 18.
Brit…Kinda…Until she marries. (Wait, she had a pre-nup.)
Brit…Until she gives birth. (But K-Fed’s got his hand on the rim.)
Brit…Then Lutfi came along.
Lutfi…Until Pa wrestled the cookie jar away from him.
December 5th, 2008 at 11:50 pm
December 2nd, 2008 at 2:36 pm
That’s when the PR campaign starts. Disablers as they claimed must be removed. Anything that might get in the way of their image.
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Disablers…Not Enablers, but Disablers
Allie. Lutfi. Adnan.
Disabling what??
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What did Brit call them in “For the Record”?
“They’re just bad people.”
Did she come up with that herself? Or was that something she’s been told over and over?
December 5th, 2008 at 11:51 pm
What about Grossman? Lutfi it not the greatest guy but he went it alone?
December 5th, 2008 at 11:55 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 5th, 2008 at 11:35 pm
Moving the cookie jar. But MH said finances would be the same while in rehab.
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It’s not long after Rehab that everyone was shut out, one by one. Leaving only Allie and Lutfi behind. Why?
Why did Brit give Lutfi control of the cookie jar? Because he was manipulative? Or because she no longer wanted TSF/TS to have it, and didn’t know who else to hand it to? (Or probably a bit of both?)
Maybe BRIT moved the cookie jar following Rehab. And from then on in, it was a power struggle to get it back to where it was.
December 5th, 2008 at 11:57 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 5th, 2008 at 11:51 pm
What about Grossman? Lutfi it not the greatest guy but he went it alone?
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What if Grossman was just an employee? Of Lutfi?
As in, Brit and Lutfi were looking for someone to manage the cookie jar, and just picked him out of the telephone book?
December 6th, 2008 at 12:00 am
We’ve been told that Brit was a victim of Lutfi…But who told us this?
Did this information come from Brit? Or did it come from Lou (via Lynn)?
Has MT ever mentioned Lutfi? Ever? (I wasn’t here at the start, so I missed out on a bunch of conversations.)
Where does MT keep laying the blame?
December 6th, 2008 at 12:08 am
AM, I’ve gotta book out for the night.
I don’t mean to leave the impression that I think Lutfi is a good guy. I’m just trying to look at things from different angles…And am wondering if maybe Lutfi isn’t 100% the Bad Guy we thought he was.
Maybe he’s just 99%.
Who knows. We’ll see. Goodnight.
December 6th, 2008 at 12:24 am
Steel. You are up like me. But I can’t give you my analytical side so to boot.
Disabler I took to mean Adnan as perceived by those controlling the image.
I still say the single available girl image works best.
Oh, you booked for the night. Manana then.
December 6th, 2008 at 12:24 am
Good night Steel.
December 6th, 2008 at 2:43 am
Steel_Magnolia Says:
December 2nd, 2008 at 11:08 am
I have this big theory in my head that interconnects marriage, rehab, WEG, Lutfi, the 5150’s, the C-Ship and the Permanent C-Ship.
Is anyone else seeing it, or is it just my imagination?
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It isn’t only you. I’m getting that impression too.
Oh and I found you guys! I thought this thread had died…
December 6th, 2008 at 2:45 am
No small. This is the official talk about whatever and the case thread. No dying until we move on.
December 6th, 2008 at 2:47 am
What if this:
11/18/2008 P999 EXHIBITS IN SUPPORT OF B – PLAINTIFFS’ 1ST REQUEST FOR PRODUCTION OF DOCUMENTS TO DEFENDANTS
pertains to this:
12/4/2008 P999 EXHIBITS IN SUPPORT OF B – TRI-STAR LETTER 7.24.08
How do I read this?
December 6th, 2008 at 2:48 am
Intriguing if the latter pertains to the first.
December 6th, 2008 at 2:50 am
Steel_Magnolia Says:
December 4th, 2008 at 12:22 pm
Okay, what I’m getting at is…Is there a possibility that Ma messed up? Did something that Pa is now trying to cover for her on?
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I’m kind of late to all this, but are you asking about something she did wrong during the time she went to rehab? After she was committed the 2nd time?
If so, I’m still thinking the restraining order statement could be it. I’ve always felt there was something more to it. And I was surprised they didn’t pursue it to make it binding for 2 or 3 yrs. They just dropped it. It made no sense to me why there was no follow thru and it still doesn’t.
December 6th, 2008 at 2:51 am
small? um there were more than a few repeated Elvis and Jane Doe references.
They weren’t directed to you but I/we won’t leave you behind. k?
Splintered would not be good.
December 6th, 2008 at 2:58 am
Steel_Magnolia Says:
December 5th, 2008 at 5:29 pm
Just a quick thought…
Lou and Michael Sands have, basically, the same jobs. One works for Jamie, Lynn and Jamie Lynn. The other works for K-Fed.
Jamie, Lynn and K-Fed were all working together (by the looks of it) to get Brit into Rehab (using the boys against her). Jamie and Lynn continued to visit with K-Fed during 2007, until the 5150’s.
I don’t know where I’m going with this…??
Maybe Michael Sands has more to say about Lou?
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I always thought Sands knew a lot about Kaplan and Kevin. Behind the scenes info. Yet, he never has said anything. Only implied he had a lot of info.
I don’t trust this Lou person.
December 6th, 2008 at 3:17 am
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 6th, 2008 at 2:51 am
small? um there were more than a few repeated Elvis and Jane Doe references.
They weren’t directed to you but I/we won’t leave you behind. k?
Splintered would not be good.
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I know. I finally figured it out. It took some time. LOL
December 6th, 2008 at 3:18 am
I’ll be back in a bit.
December 6th, 2008 at 3:34 am
k I got to go to sleep soon. What time zone are you in?
December 6th, 2008 at 3:35 am
I have my own issues for why I am still upstairs.
forgive
December 6th, 2008 at 3:37 am
Damn. I had a thought about Lou and I completely forgot.
I will return tomorrow. Maybe I’ll remember it by then.
December 6th, 2008 at 3:38 am
PT. Cali.
December 6th, 2008 at 3:39 am
Good Night AM
December 6th, 2008 at 3:39 am
?
December 6th, 2008 at 3:43 am
k gurl. Good night.
December 6th, 2008 at 12:40 pm
small hands Says:
December 6th, 2008 at 2:50 am
I’m kind of late to all this, but are you asking about something she did wrong during the time she went to rehab? After she was committed the 2nd time?
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No. Crossroads, Promises, then Promises again.
I’m getting the impression something happened during this timeframe that set the rest of the events in motion.
Ol’ Sammy appeared on the scene not long after she exited Promises for the last time. I’m wondering if there’s some connection between the “search” of B’s house, and her being sent to rehab, and then the emergence of her and Sammy as a “team.”
Does anyone know when, specifically, the “search” took place? After her trip to Crossroads, or before? Her first two trips to rehab were short lived…
December 6th, 2008 at 12:42 pm
small hands Says:
December 6th, 2008 at 2:58 am
I always thought Sands knew a lot about Kaplan and Kevin. Behind the scenes info. Yet, he never has said anything. Only implied he had a lot of info.
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Perhaps Sands, Wright and MT are all playing for the same team. They just don’t know it.
Maybe.
December 6th, 2008 at 12:44 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 6th, 2008 at 2:45 am
This is the official talk about whatever and the case thread. No dying until we move on.
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I did see this thread posted at that other site a while back. Just to give you a heads up that others still might be reading. (Hi everyone! LOL)
December 6th, 2008 at 12:49 pm
small hands Says:
December 6th, 2008 at 2:50 am
If so, I’m still thinking the restraining order statement could be it. I’ve always felt there was something more to it. And I was surprised they didn’t pursue it to make it binding for 2 or 3 yrs. They just dropped it. It made no sense to me why there was no follow thru and it still doesn’t.
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I don’t think it makes sense either. That’s why I’m looking back in time to how Sammy and B. got to be on the same team to begin with.
I’m wondering if…At one point at least…Sammy, Sands, Wright and MT were all playing for the same team. Without knowing it.
**Disclaimer: Somewhere along the line, it looks like Sammy got too big for his britches and went off on his own. Got too controlling. And then things started getting bad for B.
**Disclaimer #2: That’s just a theory. He might just be evil. I haven’t ruled that out either.
December 6th, 2008 at 12:50 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 6th, 2008 at 2:47 am
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Is it possible WEG has been after Tri-S. from the start? Because…They’re the ones handling the financial audits?
December 6th, 2008 at 1:59 pm
Steel @ 12:50
If so then why weren’t they subpoenaed with the others?
Are they of the current business managers? There is a short section that just says business managers.
I can not see MT and Sam in the same sentence.
December 6th, 2008 at 2:03 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 6th, 2008 at 1:59 pm
If so then why weren’t they subpoenaed with the others?
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Hmm…Were the others who were subpeonaed (sp?) possibly people who knew her or were involved with her pre-C-Ship?
And then Tri-S. has become involved AFTER the C-Ship was implemented? For accounting purposes?
December 6th, 2008 at 2:05 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 6th, 2008 at 1:59 pm
I can not see MT and Sam in the same sentence
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Well, don’t try to picture it. Yet. I could be out in left field with that one…Or I could be dead on. I don’t know.
I DO know that he became very controlling, and that a lot of damage was done by him. But I’m not entirely convinced his role in all of this was actually what we’ve been told it was.
December 6th, 2008 at 2:09 pm
It WOULD be helpful to know if the accounting and/or business management for “The Spears Family” is done by Tri-S.
Think of the cookie jars…B’s money and TSF’s money. They are two separate cookie jars.
Who controls the cookie jars?
December 6th, 2008 at 3:45 pm
The list of those who were served or sent subpoenas is here in this email. They include Larry Rudolph, Signatures, and Zomba.
We are still over on “smothered” by the way and while Ama has finally found Elvis and Jane.
oc there was a comment.
December 6th, 2008 at 5:12 pm
I meant the thread. All the names and parties we could produce so far are here.
December 6th, 2008 at 5:33 pm
p.s. I can’t go with you on Sam.
He drugged her. He has three restraining orders two of which have nothing to do with Spears.
While no person is all good or all evil (such is my thought) Sam for me is not good. MT is.
December 6th, 2008 at 9:26 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 6th, 2008 at 5:12 pm
All the names and parties we could produce so far are here.
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Most of the time when I ask a question on the threads, it’s meant to be rhetorical.
(I don’t mean that in a snarky way. I hope that doesn’t come across as such.)
December 6th, 2008 at 9:38 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 6th, 2008 at 5:33 pm
Sam for me is not good. MT is.
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I don’t think he’s good either. I can’t say that enough.
However…
When I say they might be playing on the same team, I mean…NOT on Team TSF.
Something to the effect of this:
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December 2nd, 2008 at 2:36 pm
The difference was that they the other side was a complete team from the get go. The other side was devided and was picking up bits and pieces as it goes along. Learning and figuring out what the grand plan was. It was never about winning but exposing.
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Except…for Sammy, I wonder if it WAS about winning. Keeping the cookie jar away from Team TSF, but then screwing over B in the process.
December 7th, 2008 at 12:07 am
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 5th, 2008 at 11:35 pm
It’s free in Orange County, FL for now.
Let’s stop. MH may be right or wrong about Brit’s circumstances and that cookie jar. It would have been a logical time to move it.
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Even what you’ve dug up so far has been very valuable. We’ll probably be able to spawn ideas off of it for a while now. (Spawn ideas? Is that even a word?!)
As for the cookie jar…I’m re-thinking this. Ma probably didn’t move it. It’s more likely that Brit did. She moved it from Ma/Pa/Handlers over to Lutfi/New Handlers.
The C-Ship has represented a moving of the cookie jar BACK to where it originally was. Only now, B no longer has ANY say over it. The cookie jar no longer belongs to her as long as the C-Ship exists.
It almost seems like a never-ending game of tit for tat. Like one big…game of chess.
December 7th, 2008 at 1:58 am
I never thought you were being snarky. Snark does not seem to be your style but I appreciate your care.
I hope I didn’t sound snarkey either in saying the names are here.
About that cookie jar. Let’s say it was in Florida and when B got married she fired Lynne from any more personal updates on her and moved the cookie jar away.
K-Fed never needed the cookie jar but he got American Express unlimited. A hand in the cookie jar.
I wish we knew more about Grossman but he seems careful in his moves and maintaining his privacy.
When did he start doing that and when did he leave his firm? I think he did right? He was a partner who moved on?
Then there is Sam who grabbed hold of BTI=the Artist=Britney. He’s becoming like a boa constrictor to me.
How many boa constrictors in this picture I don’t know.
December 7th, 2008 at 2:30 am
Meanwhile what happened this past week?
K-Fed in People.
Lynne Spears allegedly speaks to the Daily Mirror and speaks warmly of K-Fed.
A choreographer, Teresa Espinoza is on E, on the K-Fed team it would seem. bla bla Britney was sad before she met K-Fed and I introduced them and bla.
Reeks of designer label all the way to me.
Women of Lynne’s generation and older are often funny people when it comes to their daughters and suitors. Has Lynne ever said anything nasty or untoward about Kaplan?
You see where I am headed. You have suggested worse in some of your theories so why not.
She can’t talk to B so she talks to K. How early on? I just don’t believe Lynne believes in her girl. Bad news.
December 7th, 2008 at 3:03 am
Steel_Magnolia Says:
December 6th, 2008 at 12:40 pm
small hands Says:
December 6th, 2008 at 2:50 am
I’m kind of late to all this, but are you asking about something she did wrong during the time she went to rehab? After she was committed the 2nd time?
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No. Crossroads, Promises, then Promises again.
I’m getting the impression something happened during this timeframe that set the rest of the events in motion.
Ol’ Sammy appeared on the scene not long after she exited Promises for the last time. I’m wondering if there’s some connection between the “search” of B’s house, and her being sent to rehab, and then the emergence of her and Sammy as a “team.”
Does anyone know when, specifically, the “search” took place? After her trip to Crossroads, or before? Her first two trips to rehab were short lived…
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Britney went to rehab in Jan 2007 right? She left in Feb 2007. From what I read, Britney had met Sam in May 2007. At least that is what I remembered. So may the “search” happened after the first time she was committed, this past January.
December 7th, 2008 at 3:08 am
small. You seen Spanglish?
“You talking English is great.”
I am so glad you talk now.
December 7th, 2008 at 3:12 am
AM–I’m going to try to stay away from Lynne because I won’t have anything nice to say.
I can’t remember my thought about Lou. Oh well.
December 7th, 2008 at 3:13 am
What was Antigua “enter and exit” about? Britney said no and she left. It wasn’t apparently as she anticipated if we can just get into this at a grass roots level. A girl.
Then Mama driving Brit to Promises?
Am I recalling this correct?
I suspect it’s a phase or a cycle but I am have been anti-Mama for awhile now and I am the only who has read through the book and posting.
Doc loves me bitter anyhow. MH would say leave the emotions out of it. I’m not sure about MT.
I explore.
December 7th, 2008 at 3:13 am
Nope, never seen Spanglish. But I do speak Spanish.
December 7th, 2008 at 3:16 am
ha! small I wrote my message without seeing your own.
Maybe I should .. um.. adapt your logic.
I am just mad today ‘cuz’… those last three things happened in the media at the same time.
Lynne speaks well of K-Fed.
K-Fed does his shock and I was trying to be a good father.
Choreographer inserts that Brit was already f’d up. Well wasn’t that what she was saying?
I appreciated some of the posters I saw not on that other site but elsewhere. It was akin to hey thanks, you saw she was sad and you introduced her to a married man with a pregnant wife at home?
errrgh. bullshit you saw her sad and this was your remedy.
December 7th, 2008 at 3:18 am
Yeah she entered and exited Antigua.
Then she shaved her head. Entered Promises. Exited. Then re-entered, right? Or do I have it wrong?
AM–did you ever believe the reports that TMZ posted that said Britney didn’t test positive for drugs when she entered Promises rehab?
December 7th, 2008 at 3:21 am
Yes I did small. But it was in retrospect. Until January and February, who was Britney Spears to me?
But when I looked back I believed her.
December 7th, 2008 at 3:23 am
AM—I know. Lynne and Kfed are just unbelievable with timing.
I would have loved to hear the interviewer ask the dancer “was her family around when she was sad” “did she want them to be”. Those are questions I’d love answers to.
December 7th, 2008 at 3:24 am
If she had tested positive the media would have been on that too.
So how did she come to the judge as a frequent and habitual user?
We know Sam was abusing her phones, controlling her life, taking her in… etc.
Things entirely too unhappy to think about but I will.
She was wasping mad when she came out.
December 7th, 2008 at 3:27 am
Are you life-experienced enough to know that kind of anger and misrepresentation?
Yeh I said it. Misrepresentation.
Did you ever read Lynne’s Corner?
December 7th, 2008 at 3:27 am
AM—I believed her too. I believed her at the time when it was posted. I believed at the time, she was suffering from PPD/PPP. The tabloids say it’s bi-polar, but Lynne nor Britney have said that. FTR didn’t explain it either.
December 7th, 2008 at 3:31 am
I need to think about this. It hits me and I don’t mean like an idea. brb
December 7th, 2008 at 3:31 am
ok ouch I’ll be right back.
December 7th, 2008 at 3:34 am
I used to speak to someone online that new A LOT about legal issues about family court. From what I understood, anyone, and I mean anyone can go into family court and say you are doing drugs. In walks in Britney’s ex-bodyguard w/ media whore Gloria Allred. To this day, I believe that was planned by Kaplan w/ Kevin’s blessing. Viola, Britney has to do random drug testing. That was the beginning of her road to losing custody. A missed test was considered a positive. And there is Sam, hiding her phone, her missing the calls to do testing, it makes sense now.
December 7th, 2008 at 3:37 am
They subpoenaed all the people around Britney…Larry, Sam, Allie, nannies. I’m sure they were asked “have you ever seen Britney drink or use drugs”. So that is how it came to “frequent and habitual” user.
I also remember her parents meeting with Kaplan at Kevin’s home. I wonder what they spoke about.
December 7th, 2008 at 3:46 am
I need to get all my thoughts in order about all that stuff.
December 7th, 2008 at 4:00 am
Me too. Goodnight small.
It is necessary.
December 7th, 2008 at 12:50 pm
small hands Says:
December 7th, 2008 at 3:18 am
Yeah she entered and exited Antigua.
Then she shaved her head. Entered Promises. Exited. Then re-entered, right? Or do I have it wrong?
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Sounds right to me.
It’s clear B didn’t want to be in Rehab. She tried it once, and left after 24-hours. She tried it a second time and left after 24-hours.
Any chance the “search” came ——-> HERE?
And then B goes to Rehab for a third time, on February 22, 2007. She stays for 30 days, checking out on March 20, 2007.
30 days. That’s a long time for someone who didn’t want to be there to begin with.
December 7th, 2008 at 12:52 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 7th, 2008 at 1:58 am
About that cookie jar. Let’s say it was in Florida and when B got married she fired Lynne from any more personal updates on her and moved the cookie jar away.
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Would the cookie jar be in Florida? Or would it be in L.A., or wherever her accountant is? I had never really thought of WHERE Brit’s business managers/accountants did their banking…
December 7th, 2008 at 12:55 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 7th, 2008 at 1:58 am
Then there is Sam who grabbed hold of BTI=the Artist=Britney. He’s becoming like a boa constrictor to me. How many boa constrictors in this picture I don’t know.
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Now, mentally, I’m picturing the Cookie Jar with a label on the side of it that reads, “B.T.I.”
Sam DID grab a hold of the Cookie Jar…But he had to have done this with B’s permission. It seems (to me at least) that B didn’t want others to have it…
It’s just too bad that the Cookie Jar ended up where it did…
December 7th, 2008 at 12:58 pm
small hands Says:
December 7th, 2008 at 3:34 am
From what I understood, anyone, and I mean anyone can go into family court and say you are doing drugs. In walks in Britney’s ex-bodyguard w/ media whore Gloria Allred. To this day, I believe that was planned by Kaplan w/ Kevin’s blessing.
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small hands Says:
December 7th, 2008 at 3:37 am
I also remember her parents meeting with Kaplan at Kevin’s home. I wonder what they spoke about.
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Steel_Magnolia Says:
December 7th, 2008 at 12:50 pm
It’s clear B didn’t want to be in Rehab. She tried it once, and left after 24-hours. She tried it a second time and left after 24-hours.
Any chance the “search” came ——-> HERE?
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Would it be taking too far of a leap to group these posts together??
December 7th, 2008 at 1:01 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 7th, 2008 at 2:30 am
Women of Lynne’s generation and older are often funny people when it comes to their daughters and suitors. Has Lynne ever said anything nasty or untoward about Kaplan? You see where I am headed. You have suggested worse in some of your theories so why not.
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I think this is what I meant by, “meeting in the middle.”
December 7th, 2008 at 1:21 pm
small hands Says:
December 7th, 2008 at 3:34 am
To this day, I believe that was planned by Kaplan w/ Kevin’s blessing. Viola, Britney has to do random drug testing. That was the beginning of her road to losing custody. A missed test was considered a positive. And there is Sam, hiding her phone, her missing the calls to do testing, it makes sense now.
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“They met at a party in 2007, and he called her then-assistant, Kalie Machado, to meet at a Santa Monica Starbucks. According to Machado, Lutfi told her that he worked for Federline as a private eye, and he knew that there was a tap on Britney’s phone and a warrant to search her Malibu home for drugs. (Federline’s rep has denied any connection.)”
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/18310562/the_tragedy_of_britney_spears/5
December 7th, 2008 at 1:24 pm
Note:
Machado was Brit’s assistant from December 2006 until February 2007.
So…
The “search” may have been done some time between December 2006 and February 2007.
December 7th, 2008 at 1:29 pm
Note #2:
Brit was with Allie when she went to visit criminal defense lawyer Blair Berk, and also later that night when she attacked to X17 pap team with the umbrella.
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Feb, 21, 2007 – Sources tell TMZ.com Britney went this morning to meet with Blair Berk, a prominent criminal defense lawyer. (PopDirt)
Feb. 21, 2007 – Attacks X17 pap team w/ umbrella. (X17)
Feb. 22, 2007 – Checks back into Promises, as Kevin asks the court for an emergency hearing to help sort out custody issues. (MTV)
March 20, 2007 – Britney completes her program at Promises, as Kevin celebrates his 29th birthday. (MTV)
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Therefore…
The search was likely done some time after Machado departed, but prior to February 22, 2007.
Does this make sense?
December 7th, 2008 at 1:56 pm
March 12, 2007:
“Britney is also said to be suffering from paranoid delusions, including the belief that she is being watched and recorded. The article claims she checks her room at rehab for listening devices and hidden cameras. Given how famous she is, I wouldn’t say this is just mental illness talking.
There was an earlier story in the Enquirer that Britney’s family was about to put her in a mental institution if she dropped out or wasn’t able to complete rehab, and they repeat those claims this week. They say Britney hasn’t come to terms with her problems and that she’s not ready to admit she’s an addict.”
http://www.celebitchy.com/3321/britneys_longterm_battle_with_bulimia/
Vs.
“They met at a party in 2007, and he called her then-assistant, Kalie Machado, to meet at a Santa Monica Starbucks. According to Machado, Lutfi told her that he worked for Federline as a private eye, and he knew that there was a tap on Britney’s phone and a warrant to search her Malibu home for drugs. (Federline’s rep has denied any connection.)”
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Looks like B wasn’t so “paranoid” after all…She just knew more than we did at the time.
December 7th, 2008 at 4:20 pm
Oops, I should say she wasn’t so “delusional.” She was paranoid, but maybe for a good reason?
December 7th, 2008 at 5:12 pm
Britney don’t goes in therapy, she said so herself, and I understand her.
Who can she trust?
The money make people talk.
So glad she have her dancing and singing. It´s true, she can elicitate feelings in that form of art.
December 7th, 2008 at 7:28 pm
Steel. The way you wrote it sounds likes a search was done but we do we know that as fact? Otherwise I like your thinking and small too.
As for the cookie jar Britney was I think set up for her business, BTI, in Florida. Or was it NY doing business in Florida? I posted it somewhere in the thread what BTI was defined as and where it was located.
I don’t think Brit gave Sam the full cookie jar, but I think Sam had something to do with Sam Grossman, “I control Howard Grossman, Britney’s business manager. I control her attonrey and the security guards at the gate. They don’t listen to Brintey; they listen to me.”
QUERY: Sam explained to Lynne who Howard Grossman was?
There’s your f’ing cookie jar.
Sam gets Brit to talk to Howard, gets cash, buys a new Mercedes in cash (but wasn’t that the same Mercedes she later said was leased? It doesn’t matter — the image was set that she paid for the vehicle in cash.)
But then there’s that driving Britney crazy who just wants to buy lipstick (Jan 28th?) and her credit doesn’t work so Lynne buys the lipstick at Rite-Aid.
December 7th, 2008 at 7:30 pm
How do you cancel a credit card anyhow? You call up, you give your mother’s maiden name and NO ONE else may be on the card unless they too call up.
Or you pretend that the card is lost and it doesn’t work. Would a female’s voice be required?
Did Brit use an alias on her credit card?
December 7th, 2008 at 7:32 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 7th, 2008 at 7:28 pm
Steel. The way you wrote it sounds likes a search was done but we do we know that as fact? Otherwise I like your thinking and small too.
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I could be wrong but…Didn’t Ma say right in her book that a search was done?
December 7th, 2008 at 7:34 pm
You pretend the card is lost, and then the card won’t work.
Britney is being knocked out by Sam. He has her purse and anything else in the house.
Or he just says I work for Britney Spears. I am her manager or assistant. Someone stole her credit card — we do not understand those charges on the bill but they are not hers.
A criminal I am not but I can’t imagine it would be so difficult to develop a ruse to cancel a card of Britney’s so it does not work.
Or Howard’s office calls — he has access to everything financial and the clout to move Mercedes Benz, attorney such as Adam Streisand, and so on.
Do you remember part of his defense was that he did NOT give her a credit card when she got out of UCLA?
December 7th, 2008 at 7:35 pm
Howard has the cookie jar. Howard looks legitimate to others. Howard is a powerful man.
December 7th, 2008 at 7:36 pm
Sam works for someone else be it Kaplan’s team or other, through Kaplan or using Kaplan, HELPING Kaplan to win and break her down.
He brings the cookie jar to Grossman but he controls the relationship or Howard.
HOW?
December 7th, 2008 at 7:37 pm
Was Howard lost at the time? Susceptible?
December 7th, 2008 at 7:37 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 7th, 2008 at 7:28 pm
I don’t think Brit gave Sam the full cookie jar, but I think Sam had something to do with Sam Grossman, “I control Howard Grossman, Britney’s business manager. I control her attonrey and the security guards at the gate. They don’t listen to Brintey; they listen to me.”
There’s your f’ing cookie jar.
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True. But then we have this…Which I forgot all about until now:
Amethyst Mine Says:
November 17th, 2008 at 4:24 pm
I refuse to fry my brain today but …
41. Upon information and belief, SPEARS and BTI concealed from WEG a series of negotiations and agreements for otherwise commissionable Gross Receipts payable to WEG, thus diverting those commissions to SPEARS, directly or indirectly, or to corporate entities, without the knowledge, consent, or agreement of WEG, both before and after termination of the Agreement.
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This tells me there are TWO Cookie Jars.
So…Sam/Grossman hold the “BTI” Cookie Jar.
Now who holds the OTHER Cookie Jar? The one that’s being hidden?
December 7th, 2008 at 7:50 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 7th, 2008 at 7:35 pm
Howard has the cookie jar. Howard looks legitimate to others. Howard is a powerful man.
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Yes. And Brit KNOWS he has the Cookie Jar. She HIRED him (or approved Lutfi to hire him), so she knows. He very well could have been sticking his hand in. I wouldn’t be shocked if he had a few crumbs on his face.
But…The WEG suit tells me there is a second issue here. Someone in ADDITION to Grossman is eating some cookies. Off in a dark corner where nobody can see.
They probably started doing it around December 2006 (or shortly thereafter), since that’s when payments to WEG stopped. So that’s why I’m back to looking at the time period around December to February 2007.
Pre-Lutfi. From what I can see…
December 7th, 2008 at 7:52 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 7th, 2008 at 7:36 pm
Sam works for someone else be it Kaplan’s team or other, through Kaplan or using Kaplan, HELPING Kaplan to win and break her down.
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From what Kalie Machado has said, and even Lutfi himself, this sounds like a very good possibility.
December 7th, 2008 at 7:55 pm
Sorry, I meant, even Lutfi himself…AFTER the C-Ship was put in place. I should go back and dig up his quotes.
It really all did appear to mesh up. The weird thing is, Lutfi even fessed up to it. He ADMITTED drugging her. He wasn’t hiding from it.
But his quotes (delivered through Sands) were telling…I’ll try to find them.
December 7th, 2008 at 8:06 pm
Oops. I posted this to the smothered thread.
# Amethyst Mine Says:
December 7th, 2008 at 7:38 pm
Just as a reminder of how caring Sam seemed to be etc. He snowed Barbara Walters and CNN and the world January 28th, the day he and Britney got into a fight where paps ask, “Did he hit you? Did he hit her?” Some paps said there was a red mark on her face.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0801/28/sbt.01.html
# Amethyst Mine Says:
December 7th, 2008 at 7:39 pm
He pretends to be your friend. “Brit I got this friend. I’ll take care of you. His name is Howard. That’s right. You’re okay. Don’t you worry about Kevin. He won’t get your money.”
Who knows?!
# Amethyst Mine Says:
December 7th, 2008 at 8:04 pm
Meanwhile looking at media.
Instead of thinking about some people helping each other without them knowing about it let’s explore another angle.
I hate to talk good versus bad, but as we have agreed I think that Sam and crew are bad — can we just explore in this simplified concept?
Let’s say there are two teams who want an end of c-ship. One wants it confident they can gain the cookie jar — that side still has Sam or Sam-esque people.
Then there is another good side — people like you, me, small and others. It’s not access to the cookie jar we are after but justice and the proper treatment of a human being with civil rights.
I am not going to say that K-Fed is on the bad side just that he is on another side of this puzzle — e.g., the right/hope to hold his head high.
Consider a room with multiple chess board games where you sometimes catch wind of what’s happening at another table but you are all in the same cigar laden room.
I can take an article published in the Daily Mail, disect it, but then wonder if it was “coincidence” that the article was even run and at this time.
Media is my thing. You know that. I got few others to talk to about it so it goes here for now.
December 7th, 2008 at 8:12 pm
AM, Let’s not get too caught up on Grossman/Lutfi. It’s clear Lutfi was bad news. That’s something we KNOW.
You don’t need to convince me of that!
But…We don’t know what his true role was. That’s something I’d love to find out.
December 7th, 2008 at 8:15 pm
When I said Lutfi and MT were – at one time or another – playing on the same team without knowing it, what I meant was that they were both Anti-TSF.
That’s all.
December 7th, 2008 at 8:27 pm
*Disclaimer*
Sorry, when I used caps I don’t mean it to be “shouting,” but am using them for emphasis only.
…I just realized how some of my posts may look. (LOL!)
December 7th, 2008 at 8:37 pm
Steel. I have that tendency to think and organize aloud. It’s me I am walking through some things rather to re-walk you through things I know you already know about.
Is also saying at every step, “Right? Is that right?” I don’t even really need the answer from you. I can feel it or not.
ok — TWO cookie jars. QUERY: Where did WEG get his information about the 2nd one and why was the source as credible as for him to believe it?
Kaplan/K-Fed’s private investigator?
December 7th, 2008 at 8:38 pm
“But…The WEG suit tells me there is a second issue here. Someone in ADDITION to Grossman is eating some cookies. Off in a dark corner where nobody can see.”
Punyman.
December 7th, 2008 at 8:40 pm
A judge? Justice of a court? a prosecutor?
Kaplan is too little.
December 7th, 2008 at 8:45 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 7th, 2008 at 8:37 pm
Steel. I have that tendency to think and organize aloud. It’s me I am walking through some things rather to re-walk you through things I know you already know about.
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Sorry, I forgot…I have a tendency to sit on things for weeks (e.g. Lou) until I’ve got it figured out in my head whether it’s important or not, then I’ll post it. Exact opposite ways of working.
I’ll stop trying to convince you to stop trying to convince me. ‘Cause that’s not what you’re doing anyways. (Oh brother!)
December 7th, 2008 at 8:47 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 7th, 2008 at 8:38 pm
“But…The WEG suit tells me there is a second issue here. Someone in ADDITION to Grossman is eating some cookies. Off in a dark corner where nobody can see.”
Punyman.
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Or the Punyman’s ex-wife?
December 7th, 2008 at 8:49 pm
QUERY: Sam explained to Lynne who Howard Grossman was?
‘When we got to the Rite-Aid, we all went inside, and Britney chose her lipstick. She drifted in and out of British accent the whole time. When we got to the register, Britney’s card didn’t work. I paid for the lipstick, and the manager told us we could leave through the side door so no one could see us. That wasn’t to Sam’s liking. He insisted we leave through the front door, and he wrapped his arms around Britney and me for the paparazzi to take photos. My skins crawled.
“You’d better learn that I control everything, ” he said. “I control Howard Grossman, Britney’s business manager. I control her attorneys and the security guards at the gate. They don’t listen to Britney; they listen to me.” <That’s why Jamie was gone tonight. Back at the house he told me that if he weren’t in the house to give Britney her medicine, she would kill herself. “If you try to get rid of me, she’ll be dead, and I’ll piss on her grave.”
He then boasted that he had been in our family for a year and that he had done nothing but good for Britney. At one point he screamed at me.
“Sam treats me like that,” Britney said, as if it were the most normal thing in the world.’
I suspect Sam said the “business manager” thing to show he knew Britney better than Lynne now, and that Britney had a new business manager.
I am sure he said it to hurt Lynne but also to bow to his power. We’re going through the front door and posing for pictures. You’re nothing you’re nobody. If you want access to Britney you’ll do this or else. I control Howard Grossman, her business manager.
I dunno. small can often take something like this and make sense of it.
December 7th, 2008 at 8:50 pm
oh – his authority was challenged.
Also this was supposed to be in italics, That’s why Jamie was gone tonight.
December 7th, 2008 at 8:51 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 7th, 2008 at 8:37 pm
ok — TWO cookie jars.
QUERY: Where did WEG get his information about the 2nd one and why was the source as credible as for him to believe it?
Kaplan/K-Fed’s private investigator?
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Are you referring to Lutfi as the private investigator? Or to someone else?
December 7th, 2008 at 8:56 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 7th, 2008 at 8:49 pm
“I control Howard Grossman, Britney’s business manager. I control her attorneys and the security guards at the gate. They don’t listen to Britney; they listen to me.”
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Is it possible that Ma didn’t know who her business manager was at the time? Because Grossman had been hired quite recently?
December 7th, 2008 at 9:04 pm
Lutfi as private investigator.
hmmm… when did Adnan and Brit get together. When did Sam start to smell trouble? When was the bathroom tee hee incident?
Let’s say she started to behave less under this control.
Is there an added advantage in playing the WEG lawsuit and alliance card? “Cuz Johnny she’s got another cookie jar, I tell ya.”
It seemed like once Adnan came into the picture things got less careful and more urgent to the final plan — which may have been Brit in a perm sleep induced coma. Did the punyman say it was temporary?
Also would you agree that Sam is not gay but a misogynist? Just asking.
And thanks understanding an even clarifying my just organizing aloud. And also how you process things.
December 7th, 2008 at 9:07 pm
I don’t think Grossman was hired anymore recently than when Lynne was knocked out of the picture by Britney.
I can just hear Lynne as I have heard other women of an older generation — the importance of being able to keep a man, which Lynne couldn’t.
Or some raw justification by herself as to why she stayed in a bad tumultuous relationship so long and exposed her kids and …
Lynne can not be trusted. I believe she is a faulty narrator. I don’t think she can be if she is not entirely self-honest and willing to tell the whole truth. But she does offer pearls.
December 7th, 2008 at 9:11 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 7th, 2008 at 9:04 pm
It seemed like once Adnan came into the picture things got less careful and more urgent to the final plan.
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I never noticed that before, but it’s true.
Her and A officially hooked up the night of December 22, 2007:
http://www.hollyscoop.com/britney-spears/britney-hooks-up-with-paparazzi_13971.aspx
December 7th, 2008 at 9:15 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 7th, 2008 at 9:04 pm
Did the punyman say it was temporary?
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Depends on who you think is the punyman…
December 7th, 2008 at 9:21 pm
Sorry. I refer to Britney getting married, Lynne strongly objecting, Britney doing it anyhow, eliminating Lynne’s cloying, moving the cookie jar, momentary joy in having a child and seeing momentary resolution and then ANGER on Brit’s part.
Lynne wasn’t too happy about that second baby.
btb p156, ‘…Britney told a magazine that our divorce was the “best thing that ever happened to our family.”‘
Just throwing up a few things as I hunt for Lynne’s take on baby number two.
p155, ‘On September 12, 2007, amid balloons and party decorations, Kevin, Jamie and I, Preston and Jayden, and some other family members held hands in a cirle while a special man named Lonnie blessed our birthday meal of jambalaya and shrimp fettuccine, cook by Chef Paw Paw. It was the boys’ first and second birthday party, a joint even meant to celebrate both of their milestones.’
wow. big ouch.
‘Lonnie is a deacon who teaches regularly at his church.’ — there is more about religion. His job is to be Preston and Jayden’s bodyguard.
It goes on about being so blessed etc. God and whatever. Then,
‘Another grace channel is Lourdes, Britney’s maid for the last two years. That wonderful woman loves the Lord, and she is there for Britney and the boys when I cannot be. They all adore her, as do I.’
I am reading these passages I have posted as to read, “Don’t worry. Kevin, Pa, and I will have the grandchildren.”
ok I was wrong about her ill feelings on the second child. However she didn’t think Britney should have had the first child as a marriage needs time to “settle first.” At the same time she was excited about being a grandma. (new role?)
This chapter is called, “My Grandbabies.” Lynne talks about Preston being born and doesn’t even mention Britney.
Britney is barely in this chapter. Isn’t there supposed to be some loving generational moment? “Here Mom hold him, isn’t he beautiful?”
December 7th, 2008 at 9:26 pm
Steel about the sense of urgency and being less careful it was one of the first things I noticed as I came to know about Adnan.
Remember when the first ambulance was diverted enroute to UCLA then to Cedar Sinai and how carefully the second attempt was?
It would seem somebody in the ambulance made a judgment call. Maybe they listened to the girl.
aw, Sam got sloppy in general — calling Barbara, Harvey — that’s a little different than gradually seeding an operation as it seemed he was doing.
December 7th, 2008 at 9:33 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 7th, 2008 at 9:26 pm
Sam got sloppy in general — calling Barbara, Harvey — that’s a little different than gradually seeding an operation as it seemed he was doing.
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That’s why I don’t think he was part of the hidden Cookie Jar. He was becoming too desperate. He was likely making lots of money just being her “manager” (and maybe through some deals with certain pap agencies). He seemed to see the end coming, and got sloppy because he was trying too hard to maintain control.
However…the hidden Cookie Jar…I was thinking whoever had it was from the pre-Lutfi era. And that’s why it remained hidden?
December 7th, 2008 at 9:40 pm
Why pre-Lutfi? Wouldn’t someone need a Lutfi to get to the cookie jar?
December 7th, 2008 at 9:41 pm
ok so cookie jar could have been created in December but how to access without being detected…
but then who exposed the cookie jar in September or October?
December 7th, 2008 at 9:43 pm
Who would have the interest in telling WEG about the cookie jar?
Why didn’t WEG notice the missing cookie jar earlier? Or did they…
December 7th, 2008 at 9:44 pm
I think Lutfi had an investment. If he did “this” then he would get “that.” Adnan was an unanticipated and premature fly in the ointment.
December 7th, 2008 at 9:46 pm
Until Adnan came along Lutfi had plenty of time to effect perfect long term believable damage. No one would ask a question. She was afterall, crazy.
December 7th, 2008 at 9:46 pm
Do you find Blur disturbing by the way in context to all we suggest?
December 7th, 2008 at 9:48 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 7th, 2008 at 9:43 pm
Why didn’t WEG notice the missing cookie jar earlier? Or did they…
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Payments to WEG stopped in December 2006. According to the lawsuit (if I remember correctly), they tried contacting Brit/various business managers up until October 2006. Then they finally decided to file suit.
If the payments stopped BEFORE Lutfi came along…Then wouldn’t it have to be someone who was in the picture before Lutfi?
December 7th, 2008 at 9:49 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 7th, 2008 at 9:46 pm
Do you find Blur disturbing by the way in context to all we suggest?
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…Yes!
December 7th, 2008 at 9:51 pm
I also find it disturbing to see someone who is “gravely disabled” writhing naked in a music video.
…But what do I know?!
December 7th, 2008 at 9:54 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 7th, 2008 at 9:41 pm
ok so cookie jar could have been created in December but how to access without being detected…
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Think: BS vs TSF
Two separate entities.
…Just one possibility.
December 7th, 2008 at 9:57 pm
If T-S already handles a Jar for TSF…And then begins handling the other Jar for BS once the C is in place…It becomes a lot easier to mix the two Jars together so it looks like all one Jar again.
…Make sense?
December 7th, 2008 at 10:34 pm
Come talk a countryman. He can’t talk about his book though.
http://ianundercover.com/ians-livechat/
December 7th, 2008 at 10:41 pm
Not very interesting right now.
December 7th, 2008 at 10:45 pm
5′8″?
I am Okay at 5′4″
December 8th, 2008 at 4:07 am
Wow so much to read.
Let get some things out of the way and then I will talk about the cookie jar.
The reason I brought up the ex-bodyguard testimony was because, I think we kind of agree that everything seems tied together. I was going to do some research about this and maybe I can get to that tomorrow. Did the subpoenas for Allie, Larry, Sam, and various others happen AFTER this ex-bodyguard testified? If she was already in rehab, wouldn’t that be proof enough about drug use UNLESS, as was reported by TMZ, Promises does not have records of Britney testing positive for drugs. So Kaplan needed the suspicion to be able to ask all parties about drug use. I’m thinking out loud here.
I wanted to clear all that up for myself and maybe for you too. I’ll try to find links to all this info sometime this week. I’m extremely busy.
December 8th, 2008 at 4:15 am
About the lipstick, Rite-Aid, Lynne, and Sam. I think Sam was saying “I’ve been here for her for the last year. Where have you been? I know more about her, than you do.” That’s what I think about that whole incident.
Oh, I finally read that Rolling Stone interview, and I didn’t like it all. So even after separating/divorcing, it sounds like Lynne and Jamie did “special favors” for one another and Britney hated her mother for that. Well that’s how I interpreted it. The interviewer didn’t have a good impression of Lynne either. Glad I’m not alone in that thought.
One thing I did like was Britney being well aware that she doesn’t really do “deep” music. By deep, I mean sharing her deep feelings about things, real life experiences. Someday, I think she will share it all in music, and maybe even in a book, and it will be amazing.
December 8th, 2008 at 4:19 am
Let me correct something, I didn’t mean Britney hates her mom. I don’t believe that at all. I do believe Britney has hated the things her mom has done. Things that make her appear weak maybe? Don’t know if you understand what I’m trying to say.
December 8th, 2008 at 4:28 am
Now about who could have the cookie jar or know something about it.
When Larry and Britney parted ways in 2004, I think that was the yr, many seem to think Britney didn’t hire another manager. But she did, someone named Dan Dymtrow, who happened to work for Larry. When Britney and Kevin married, it made sense for him to also manage Kevin. If anyone read about Britney/Kevin during that time, it became pretty clear he was doing a lot for Kevin, not so much for Britney, since she was pregnant most of that time anyway. He still manages Kevin, from what I understand. If payments were being paid up until 2006, he may have known something, right? Or no? Or did WEG mean that they tried until Dec 2006 to get payments and nothing. It’s late, I’ll come back tomorrow when my head clears. I may be getting dates confused.
December 8th, 2008 at 12:03 pm
small. I think you were the one to finger Bret being in the picture earlier than the public saw her.
p169 October, Lynne gets a call from Allie, “Brit’s ready to reconcile.” Lynne writes that she drops everything and hops on the next flight to L.A. arriving at 9 p.m. PST.
‘As per my instructions, I met Bret, another of Brit’s assistants, at the Starbucks in Malibu. Several paparazzi met us there as well, and they end up taking us to her house, where Sam, the figurative gatekeeper, order the physical gatekeeper to let us in. Everyone treated him by now like a general.’
December 8th, 2008 at 12:32 pm
Does anyone remember when Sam said he controlled all the media that he would turn Lynne’s name into shyt?
I wanted the quote for my little paper.
December 8th, 2008 at 12:37 pm
small hands Says:
December 8th, 2008 at 4:07 am
Did the subpoenas for Allie, Larry, Sam, and various others happen AFTER this ex-bodyguard testified? If she was already in rehab, wouldn’t that be proof enough about drug use UNLESS, as was reported by TMZ, Promises does not have records of Britney testing positive for drugs. So Kaplan needed the suspicion to be able to ask all parties about drug use. I’m thinking out loud here.
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Oct. 4, 2007 – Brit’s former bodyguard, Tony Barretto, files child-abuse claims against the singer under the California Child Abuse and Neglect Reporting Act, and meets with authorities at the LA County Department of Children and Family Services for two hours. The agency launches an investigation into the complaint. (MTV)
Nov. 7, 2007 – Sam Lutfi is served with a subpoena for a deposition in the custody case. (People)
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I’ve yet to track down the dates the others were served. But, yes, Tony came before at least one of them.
December 8th, 2008 at 12:42 pm
small hands Says:
December 8th, 2008 at 4:28 am
If payments were being paid up until 2006, he may have known something, right? Or no? Or did WEG mean that they tried until Dec 2006 to get payments and nothing
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From what I understand, WEG was receiving regular payments up until December 2006. This was normal for all parties.
The payments then stopped in December 2006. This was NOT normal.
Ten months went by, and then WEG finally filed suit after they were unable to obtain financial audits from Brit’s various business managers. (WEG needed the audits in order to know what amount to bill BTI for, since they are normally paid a percentage of whatever BTI brings in.)
December 8th, 2008 at 1:10 pm
small — I think I thought of a good one for you.
What if the charity of Tri-Star’s choosing was the church or that reformatory for young Christians?
I mean if you are going to auction off memorabilia for a good cause why not name the cause to up a human’s response to, “It’s for a good cause, plus it helps Britney so…” not realizing that Britney has nothing to do with the auction nor the outlay of the proceeds.
December 8th, 2008 at 1:17 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 8th, 2008 at 1:10 pm
not realizing that Britney has nothing to do with the auction nor the outlay of the proceeds.
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I really wonder now how many times over the past couple of years this has happened.
It seems to me that a lot of money is being raised/earned on Brit’s name and image…whether she is a willing participant or not.
December 8th, 2008 at 1:33 pm
We have not talked about the irregularities of her own charity that Bryan headed.
Any updates on that? skim skim skim
December 8th, 2008 at 1:40 pm
p.s. last night was fun and interesting. I told him about WEG but didn’t get very far. He was interested though. There was another reporter earlier. A Sophia someone. I have a hope that someone will break the story or cause a stink.
Do you think that Sam sang and that’s why he never was charged with anything? Witness protection so to speak?
Also. How would Britney know that Sam stole valuable things from her house? Was she the source or just the parents visiting the house? I think Britney told her dad (documentation?) that Sam had taken valuable things…
Was it part of how he held her? London?
December 8th, 2008 at 1:47 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 8th, 2008 at 1:40 pm
Witness protection so to speak?
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More or less.
Kind of a “I’ve got dirt on you, you’ve got dirt on me, let’s go our separate ways and pretend we never met” sort of deal.
December 8th, 2008 at 3:52 pm
um yeh — any specifics?
December 8th, 2008 at 4:02 pm
lol — you think Sam kidnapped London?
December 8th, 2008 at 4:15 pm
in case you missed additional videotape:
http://www.breatheheavy.com/exhale/viewthread.php?tid=92860
FTR
December 8th, 2008 at 4:18 pm
I posted the tape to the new thread.
December 8th, 2008 at 4:54 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 8th, 2008 at 12:03 pm
small. I think you were the one to finger Bret being in the picture earlier than the public saw her.
p169 October, Lynne gets a call from Allie, “Brit’s ready to reconcile.” Lynne writes that she drops everything and hops on the next flight to L.A. arriving at 9 p.m. PST.
‘As per my instructions, I met Bret, another of Brit’s assistants, at the Starbucks in Malibu. Several paparazzi met us there as well, and they end up taking us to her house, where Sam, the figurative gatekeeper, order the physical gatekeeper to let us in. Everyone treated him by now like a general.’
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Is that last paragraph from Lynne’s book? If so, what a damn liar! I have never seen Brett with Britney until Jamie took control. There were two times I saw Brett in pictures. Once, she was with Lynne doing errands, at a drycleaners maybe, and she was described in the pictures as Lynne’s assistant. The other was Brett driving an SUV that held Jamie Lynn and Brian AFTER Britney returned from her disastrous performance at the VMAs in 2007. This is why I don’t see Brett as a real friend.
I tried to look for the pics but I couldn’t find them. I’m going to keep looking.
December 8th, 2008 at 4:57 pm
Steel_Magnolia Says:
December 8th, 2008 at 1:17 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 8th, 2008 at 1:10 pm
not realizing that Britney has nothing to do with the auction nor the outlay of the proceeds.
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I really wonder now how many times over the past couple of years this has happened.
It seems to me that a lot of money is being raised/earned on Brit’s name and image…whether she is a willing participant or not.
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I am slowly beginning to realize that that is the case. Using her name for profit or charity.
December 8th, 2008 at 5:02 pm
Steel, how about Larry Rudolph? He reentered Britney’s life in Nov 2006. He was still in her life up until January/February. So if payments stopped in Dec 2006, did Larry know something about it? That’s the only significant person I can see that came back into her life at that time. This was before Sam Lutfi.
December 8th, 2008 at 5:04 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 8th, 2008 at 1:10 pm
small — I think I thought of a good one for you.
What if the charity of Tri-Star’s choosing was the church or that reformatory for young Christians?
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I don’t even want to think that was the charity. Yuck. But it wouldn’t surprise me.
December 8th, 2008 at 5:06 pm
Steel_Magnolia Says:
December 8th, 2008 at 1:47 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 8th, 2008 at 1:40 pm
Witness protection so to speak?
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More or less.
Kind of a “I’ve got dirt on you, you’ve got dirt on me, let’s go our separate ways and pretend we never met” sort of deal.
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I think that is exactly what happened.
December 8th, 2008 at 5:18 pm
I went to TMZ, and some of the subpoenas were served before Oct.
The reason I’ve been suspicious about the ex-bodyguard is because he waited 6 months before talking about Britney to Family Services. I still think it all happened when Kaplan started to file papers to change the custody arrangement. So I don’t see it as a coincidence at all.
December 8th, 2008 at 5:19 pm
I need to find the Brett pictures.
December 8th, 2008 at 5:23 pm
I had hoped it was these, but I can’t tell for sure:
http://x17online.com/celebrities/britney_spears/x17_xclusive_britney_flies_home-09102007.php#more
December 8th, 2008 at 6:06 pm
No those aren’t it.
I’ll look later. I need to go do some things then I will be later later tonight.
The SUV I am referring to they were leaving Britney’s house.
December 8th, 2008 at 6:19 pm
I just randomly came across this…
Allie’s so darn evil…That Bryan hangs out with her?
http://images.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://a994.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/61/l_cfb9de6d4ab9ce2ea32723d9a70c7d31.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.webconferencia.net/britney-pics/alli-y-bryan-spears-333527.html&usg=__gmh9R0iGv6XHdjDoPn
December 8th, 2008 at 7:05 pm
small. Yes. That is from the book. Bret.
Could there be more than one?
Also — could the sentence be “faked” as to read one of Britney’s current assistants, therefore read as .. accurate? Do you know what I am saying? She’s telling the truth but not telling the truth, just through a few tenses in English to …
OK. So let’s say Lynne meets with Bret who is not the assistant at the time. Who is Bret then and why does the family trust her?
And what about Lynne’s “instructions?” That is is an interesting choice of words. Why not substitute “conditions” for meeting? That’s what it reads like to me.
December 8th, 2008 at 7:08 pm
Steel. I am poco on the Spanish. May 2007.
Bryan would not have had a reason to be suspicious?
December 8th, 2008 at 7:09 pm
Lynne doesn’t know her way to The Summit?
December 8th, 2008 at 7:12 pm
Another thing. Just looking at some old video today.
Lynne never mentions that both Chad Hardcastle and Jackie are with them on that trip to Rite Aid for the lipstick and then that credit card.
Why not? She didn’t have space? Didn’t want to deal with or open a can of worms?
Why didn’t she go after Chad?
December 8th, 2008 at 7:22 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 8th, 2008 at 7:08 pm
May 2007. Bryan would not have had a reason to be suspicious?
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I’m just wondering if Allie was closer to other family members than Lynn lets on.
That whole book is starting to turn into a big web of…
December 8th, 2008 at 8:17 pm
It seems really strange now to go back and look at old articles and how they may fit into things…
“It was my understanding originally that Britney left Promises, and then Kevin filed for custody of the kids. But it’s starting to sound like Kevin filed for custody of the kids while Britney was at Promises (the first time), and when she heard about it, she checked out to try to fight for her kids.”
http://evilbeetgossip.film.com/2007/02/23/why-is-britneys-mom-hanging-with-fedex/
So which was the actual real story?
December 8th, 2008 at 8:29 pm
Steel_
I think she get to hear about tho moves to take her kids..
But she, as she said in the documentary, she dont share VERY hard moments, and feelings with the media.
“I didn´t thought it was their business..” she answer on the question, why she not have told people why she shaved her hair.
(A mixed feeling of a need to ending “the old” .Make a personal statement to herself, do something radical to end the old times.. so I get wat she meant..)
December 8th, 2008 at 9:24 pm
Web of…
The more I read through the ding dang thing and look at articles and tapes from the past, I just wonder if the whole thing was written so Lynne could hold her head up high in the Christian community.
Lou benefits from that.
I hate to keep bringing my mom into this but my mother is lioness when it comes to her children. Lynne is so small scale to that. She comes up short.
So. What was the motivation for Lynne to write her book? Why is Adnan reduced to just another paparazzo? Why are Chad and Alli so sheltered?
December 8th, 2008 at 9:45 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 8th, 2008 at 9:24 pm
I just wonder if the whole thing was written so Lynne could hold her head up high in the Christian community.
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The book WAS released through a Christian publisher.
December 8th, 2008 at 9:45 pm
Ama. That is Swedish?
December 8th, 2008 at 9:47 pm
Who is she hugging?
December 8th, 2008 at 9:51 pm
BH posters make me ill tonight in reading their views of this clip.
December 8th, 2008 at 9:54 pm
I shouldn’t have posted so soon. It was the early crowd that was a turn off.
December 8th, 2008 at 10:02 pm
Ah. You are right Steel. Christian publisher.
December 8th, 2008 at 10:15 pm
She is hugging her brother, if thats the video from FTR you talking about.
They are hugging each other is more the truth.
No words, only understanding and comfort.
It hit us when we saw it.
If not before, so then people understand how hard time she have, and that her brother knows it.
December 8th, 2008 at 10:16 pm
But Steel_ and AM
Tristar is also Tristar/Columbia? Is it not?
December 8th, 2008 at 10:19 pm
Amapola Says:
December 8th, 2008 at 10:16 pm
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http://www.tristarse.com/
December 8th, 2008 at 10:22 pm
I would’ve thought it was Tristar/Columbia, if I hadn’t have read the following story first:
http://www.nationalenquirer.com/the_business_of_being_jamie_lynn_spears/celebrity/65597
December 8th, 2008 at 10:22 pm
“Amethyst Mine Says:
December 8th, 2008 at 9:24 pm”
When making a book, the publisher dont what to many roads on every direction. It would come up like a mess.
I think Lynne have to “score out” some, as the publisher saw it, unnecessarily threads.
Publisher or whoever work the book before out giving.
December 8th, 2008 at 10:35 pm
The second link I get no contact with.
But the first.
So this was their new site.
But Britney have for sure nothing to do with this, she is not affiliated to this company.
Can’t understand why the name Tristar still shows before movies …can they produce movies on there own. Are they such big company?
I mean, a site can give the look of “success” but is it such?
December 8th, 2008 at 10:45 pm
Amapola Says:
December 8th, 2008 at 10:35 pm
So this was their new site. But Britney have for sure nothing to do with this, she is not affiliated to this company.
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TriStar Pictures is a different company than Tri-Star Sports & Entertainment:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TriStar_Pictures
The Tri-Star that we are talking about is owned by the same lady that spoke on behalf of “The Spears Family” regarding the Dr. Phil show.
December 8th, 2008 at 11:31 pm
Spears, Jamie Celebrity Chef and Personality
Spears, Jamie Lynn Actress
Spears, Lynne
Thats I found on this new site, on client list.
http://www.tristarse.com/
= Tri-Star Sports & Entertainment
Or what have I not understand?
December 8th, 2008 at 11:34 pm
Amapola Says:
December 8th, 2008 at 11:31 pm
Thats I found on this new site, on client list.
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Yes, Tri-S appears to represent “The Spears Family.”
But this doesn’t appear to include Britney.
December 8th, 2008 at 11:39 pm
Now these photos seem to have a different meaning:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1059231/Its-horseplay-Britney-Spears-enjoys-day-polo.html
December 9th, 2008 at 12:36 am
Australia and Denmark are reporting that they have read things on BH that they didn’t see in their own country’s airing of FTR.
One poster thought that maybe that was because the show was scheduled in the U.S. for 1 hour and 10 minutes (I think) and 1 hour in their country.
Some may not like Jordan on here but his site is dedicated to B.S. and his posters are able to donate alot such as the clip we have been viewing today.
I hadn’t heard about Nicole Kidman and the baby. People love to hate on Britney but not on Nicole.
When one does not hate on Britney, as I have found to be popular, it’s isolating but worth it.
Ditto for Team Adnan.
December 9th, 2008 at 12:38 am
Steel_
Well then they dont speak for Britney Spears.
Jamie and a lawyer are in her place looking for her legal affairs and so on.
Not her spiritual life. Its her own VERY PRIVATE area.
Born in a little place, I know that people dont have much choice if they want to be in “inside” the society. They have to believe what others belive, think what ever other think, and when they get home, behind close door, they can be themselfs again. Not before. Its HELL!!!!!! Pure HELL!
I say, almost alone in the montains (thats like haven), or in a big city.
Never small town for me again.
Can’t stand the hypocracy.
December 9th, 2008 at 12:50 am
“Amethyst Mine Says:
, because I talked about it, ask if Steel_ have seen it. Many HOURS before BH get his hands on the video..
December 9th, 2008 at 12:36 am”
……….
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BH did not find this about Britney driving her car before he get the information, why not from JFX site???
As far as I can see, he have shout himself in the foot, he for sure are from start a fan of Britney Spears, but when he went to work with Sam Lutfi (and x sites dirt about Britney),and then don’t take a stand against Sam, he lost all credibility. As I see it.
”””””””””’
We had almost 2 hour time on FTR. Of cource with advertising between, but I think it was about 1,5 hour pure documentary..
December 9th, 2008 at 1:02 am
“Promises, the Malibu rehabilitation center where Britney Spears and Lindsay Lohan have sought treatment, moved staff members and about 18 patients.”
(When the fire was going on)
http://www.celebritymound.com/?p=7476%20-%20101k
December 9th, 2008 at 1:05 am
Steel_
More about the foundation.
Look OK
http://www.promisesfoundation.org/Promises_Newsletter_pg3.pdf
December 9th, 2008 at 1:06 am
Ama. I’m confused. You posted the clip (film) before Jordan did and you posted it here?
Good on ye. (not an American expression – but an Irish and Australian one)
December 9th, 2008 at 2:05 am
AM
properly 
talk with Steel_ about FTR
First
I
on the thread where you never read
And I also
in the next cooment
ask her if she have seen the part about the cardriving,
because nobody talk about it on the sites.
She answer no, she hade not seen it.
Then after some hours
BH come with the news, and a copy from somthing called 400, it was now out on the youtube.
So what I could see we on JFX was the first to talk about it, if it is important for you to know.
Its in the tread
Britney ..christmas tree something, red top on her.
I have give the links directly to you tube, but they are taking away, as I could see.
I shall see if I can find it one more time..
Hurry up!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-PB1Y0eM_o
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Then read the tread
Then I when to this tread and explain for you that all links and talk and so was already here on JFX, you just not see them (it was only about 10 – 18 comments on the tread)
So is it anything more important I have to tell ?
If not, I´m going out for the morning paper, and then I take some strong coffe and work an hour or two. Its morning here, people on the way to their jobs. Dark as the darkest night.
December 9th, 2008 at 2:07 am
Britney For The Record – final extendido
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-PB1Y0eM_o
December 9th, 2008 at 2:11 am
The link about K fed was also comming in to ways, first by me, and then by you.
I start thinking you have done something so you dont have to see my comments
But know all fine, we see and hear each other.
December 9th, 2008 at 2:15 am
I posted the information about the video sequence that NOBODY, not even BH….have talk about for 24 hours, at least, here on the web, in US, on different sites.
After that it took BH more hours to get the tape.
Do you understand now????????????????????
December 9th, 2008 at 2:42 am
Lynne dismissing Alli as just another assistant, is such a lie. There are pictures of Britney, Alli, and Laura Lyn, Britney’s cousin, dating back to the yr Britney and Justin broke up…whenever that was. The pictures were in Louisiana I think.
Also Bryan and Laura Lynn attended Alli’s birthday party in 2007.
About Lynne, I know I said I wasn’t going to say anything, but I have to. I sense she cares more about outward appearances. My opinion.
Now I’m going to go look for pictures. I’ve tried, but I can’t find any.
December 9th, 2008 at 3:41 am
http://www.breatheheavy.com/exhale/viewthread.php?tid=93106
There is a picture of Britney and Bret in there. It says it was taken last year when Brett was Brit’s assistant. I don’t remember her.
Wait…was she her assistant in Sept or Oct of 2007 when she signed with a new manager before the VMAs?
I giving up on those other pics. I can’t find them. I’m getting tired of looking for them.
December 9th, 2008 at 9:39 am
small hands Says:
December 9th, 2008 at 3:41 am
Wait…was she her assistant in Sept or Oct of 2007 when she signed with a new manager before the VMAs?
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No, that was “Michelle,” and assistant on loan from Jeff Kwatinez (sp?). She appeared in photos with Brit the morning before her VMA appearance.
December 9th, 2008 at 9:48 am
small hands Says:
December 9th, 2008 at 2:42 am
About Lynne, I know I said I wasn’t going to say anything, but I have to. I sense she cares more about outward appearances. My opinion.
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Small, I agree with you…on almost everything you post!
The whole idea of caring about “outward appearances” more than anything…Kind of explains to me why Lou and Tri-Star represent “The Spears Family,” but not Britney.
And, to me, it totally supports why she might have been sent to Rehab (3 times) but felt she didn’t need it. And why she’d be put on a 5150 hold twice, but was released both times before the 72-hours was up. (Because, for a “pop star” she was giving off the appearance of being “crazy,” but was actually fitting into society’s defitions of “normal” otherwise??)
And it also supports what Adnan said in the article printed in Rolling Stone:
“You must understand something about Britney,” he says, in arguing her side of the story. “People turned on her. They were only there when the getting was good. She has become very Columbo-esque — she acts a certain way so that people don’t think she’s intelligent, and then people volunteer information, and she is able to put together what is going on. It’s not the blogs or magazines or the people on the street she cares about. She knows that the people who had a responsibility to support her bailed out and is very hurt by their actions.”
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/18310562/cover_story_the_tragedy_of_britney_spears/print
December 9th, 2008 at 9:58 am
Amapola Says:
December 9th, 2008 at 2:11 am
The link about K fed was also comming in to ways, first by me, and then by you.
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Ama, It sounds like you’re several time zones ahead of us, so – thankfully for us – you’re getting access to some things that we wouldn’t get until hours and hours later.
I was just looking at a map…And now some of your earlier comments make perfect sense to me. The ones about understanding Adnan, because you share a common experience.
Now they make PERFECT sense. I get it now.
December 9th, 2008 at 10:04 am
Amapola Says:
December 9th, 2008 at 12:38 am
Steel_
Well then they dont speak for Britney Spears.
Jamie and a lawyer are in her place looking for her legal affairs and so on.
Not her spiritual life. Its her own VERY PRIVATE area.
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No, they don’t speak for Britney.
From here on in, we might want to watch out for whether something is coming from Britney, or from “The Spears Family,” because they appear to be two different things.
December 9th, 2008 at 12:37 pm
Hey guys. Just checking in and won’t be around much until Thursday or later today and late afternoon tomorrow.
Jordan said on that driving story that Brit had fired Brett and hired her parents? Did I get that story right?
December 9th, 2008 at 12:42 pm
Yep, you got it right, AM.
So she wasn’t really “Lynne’s assistant” before…But the fact that she was re-hired by Brit’s parents after the C-Ship was put in place says something.
December 9th, 2008 at 1:16 pm
Does anyone find it odd that both Lonnie (the bodyguard) and Lourdes (the nanny) both appear to have reported back to Lynn on whatever Brit was up to? (If I’m understanding the book correctly…)
I undertand that Lynn would want updates on how Brit was doing…But at the same time…If Brit and her Mom weren’t speaking…Is it really up to Brit’s staff to be speaking to Lynn? They all appear to sign Confidentiality Agreements…but shouldn’t they be signing them on behalf of Britney? And not her mom?
I don’t know…Maybe I’m nitpicking here…
December 9th, 2008 at 1:33 pm
Correction…Lourdes was the maid, not the nanny.
December 9th, 2008 at 1:48 pm
No. I think you are right Steel. It was Lonnie who reported to Lynne the night of the first 5150 — Lynne was in Louisiana. It was Lonnie who told her the kids were alright.
Why do I get the sense that Lynne would just take the kids, treasures, if she could.
She mentions being a “stable force” in the eyes of the court.
Who is to say Bret wasn’t reporting to Lynne? A question becomes why did Sam allow Bret to be in Britney’s life? What was Brett’s role? How is it he was forced to tolerate her?
That is assuming that Bret was in Britney’s employ.
December 9th, 2008 at 2:12 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 9th, 2008 at 1:48 pm
Why do I get the sense that Lynne would just take the kids, treasures, if she could.
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…Ummm…Depending on how cynically you want to look at it…Didn’t she do this already!?
December 9th, 2008 at 2:22 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 9th, 2008 at 1:48 pm
Who is to say Bret wasn’t reporting to Lynne? A question becomes why did Sam allow Bret to be in Britney’s life? What was Brett’s role? How is it he was forced to tolerate her?
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Do we know what dates Brett worked for Brit (prior to her being fired the first time)?
December 9th, 2008 at 2:42 pm
small is our subject matter expert on Bret/Brett.
And I am in a cynical mood. I hate to say that. Maybe it’s just low tolerance today of Lynne and Jamie and relationships they have now with the children: a hold and a hold over their daughter that none of us have seen over another.
I’m not going the road of Frances Farmers. Others have explored.
What to do with a recalcitrant daughter? I wouldn’t have called her that though.
Did anyone see the latest LA Times article questioning the health of Jamie overseeing his daughter?
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/la-et-britney2-2008dec02,0,3706904.story
December 9th, 2008 at 2:50 pm
AM, is this the same story you talked about many months ago?
http://perezhilton.com/2008-12-09-another-directing-gig-for-affleck
December 9th, 2008 at 3:56 pm
WOW MH. Thank you!
It’ll sound strange and probably too personal but when I moved to Phoenix in 1989, the first of three times, I visited the U.A. campus in Tuscon.
I am one to follow an instinct if drawn. I was in the library on campus and touched an article on Don Bolles. His life stayed with me. Doing the right thing, curiosity or inquisitiveness, risk and punishment. Fatality.
Full circle. They are telling his story as I write mine to reveal other stories.
Gratitude MH or is it big props? Thank you. It’s going to take time to absorb. Bolles had guts.
December 9th, 2008 at 4:17 pm
12/9/2008 JOINT STIPULATION REGARDING DISCOVERY
December 9th, 2008 at 4:19 pm
Stipulation
An agreement between attorneys that concerns business before a court and is designed to simplify or shorten litigation and save costs.
During the course of a civil lawsuit, criminal proceeding, or any other type of litigation, the opposing attorneys may come to an agreement about certain facts and issues. Such an agreement is called a stipulation. Courts look with favor on stipulations because they save time and simplify the matters that must be resolved. Stipulations are voluntary, however, and courts may not require litigants to stipulate with the other side. A valid stipulation is binding only on the parties who agree to it. Courts are usually bound by valid stipulations and are required to enforce them.
Parties may stipulate to any matter concerning the rights or obligations of the parties. The litigants cannot, however, stipulate as to the validity or constitutionality of a statute or as to what the law is, because such issues must be determined by the court.
Stipulations may cover a variety of matters. Parties are permitted to make stipulations to dismiss or discontinue an action, to prescribe the issues to be tried, or to admit, exclude, or withdraw evidence. During a court proceeding, attorneys often stipulate to allow copies of papers to be admitted into evidence in lieu of originals or to agree to the qualifications of a witness. The parties can also enter into agreements concerning the testimony an absent witness would give if he were present, and the stipulated facts can be used in evidence. Such evidentiary devices are used to simplify and expedite trials by dispensing with the need to prove uncontested factual issues.
Generally, parties to an action can stipulate as to an agreed statement of facts on which to submit their case to the court. Stipulations of this nature are encouraged by the courts. A number of other stipulations have been held to be valid, including those that relate to attorneys’ fees and costs.
A stipulation does not need to be in a particular form, provided it is definite and certain. A number of statutes and court rules provide that stipulations reached out of court must be in writing to prevent fraudulent claims of oral stipulation, circumvent disputes concerning the terms of the stipulation, and relieve the court of the burden of resolving such disputes. Though an oral stipulation in open court is binding, a stipulation made in the judge’s chamber must be in writing.
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/stipulation
December 9th, 2008 at 5:29 pm
It would be good to know the date of that picture of Britney and Brett. Then maybe work from there.
Did we ever get the dates clear of Brett meeting Lynne at the Starbucks? Lynne used “general” to describe Sam. She used the same word in the restraining order statement this past Jan or Feb. So was Brett her assistant late 2007/early 2008? My mission is find those pictures of Brett with Lynne from summer of 2007. I believe it was summer of 2007. Watch me be wrong LOL.
Oh I think Bret/Brett is the same person.
December 9th, 2008 at 5:30 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 9th, 2008 at 4:17 pm
12/9/2008 JOINT STIPULATION REGARDING DISCOVERY
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Does is say what the agreed on?
December 9th, 2008 at 5:37 pm
Sorry for the spelling.
Does it say what they agreed on? That is what I meant to say
December 9th, 2008 at 5:42 pm
No small. I’ve been posting everything that they have.
I thought this was an interesting sentence, “The parties can also enter into agreements concerning the testimony an absent witness would give if he were present, and the stipulated facts can be used in evidence.”
December 9th, 2008 at 5:43 pm
To me that reads that Britney may never show up in court so let’s move on.
December 9th, 2008 at 5:44 pm
Thanks AM. I’ll come back later tonight.
December 9th, 2008 at 5:59 pm
Small, here’s a date:
October 10, 2007
http://www.gobritney.com/cat315-12/index.html
Scroll down for photos of Brit (wearing the pink headband) with Brett at a Starbucks.
Notice that the day before, October 8, 2007, was the day that Brit and Jamie Lynn got accosted by a screaming woman in a parking lot, and Jamie Lynn shouted in her face to, “F@ck off” (Or something of the sort.)
So…It looks like Jamie Lynn and Lynn were in L.A. for a visit. It’s quite possible that Brett was there as Lynn’s assistant, not Brit’s.
December 9th, 2008 at 6:02 pm
Now I remember…Jamie Lynn and Ma were in town because Brit had JUST lost custody of the boys the day before.
December 9th, 2008 at 6:06 pm
Sorry, the screaming match with the crazed woman in the parking lot was October 9th. Brit and Jamie Lynn were photographed together at Taco Bell the night before on October 8th.
October 4th was the day Fat Tony filed child abuse claims with the Children’s Aid. It was the same day that the court said K-Fed would retain full custody, and Brit would get regular, supervised visits.
December 9th, 2008 at 6:31 pm
Holy mackerel. That IS her.
December 9th, 2008 at 6:34 pm
I can’t get the video to play on my PC, but this appears to be video of Brit and Brett cruising around on the same day:
http://x17online.com/celebrities/britney_spears/britneys_cingular_sensation-10092007.php#more
October 9, 2007
December 9th, 2008 at 6:37 pm
I wonder…
Was Brett an assistant at the time on “Zoey 101″? Or were there any other projects Ma was working on??
December 9th, 2008 at 6:40 pm
vid on 17 doesn’t work here either.
http://splashnewsonline.celebuzz.com/2007/10/britney-spears-endures-the-paparazzi-fanfare.html
December 9th, 2008 at 6:41 pm
That vid doesn’t work either.
December 9th, 2008 at 6:44 pm
There’s Brett again, on October 11, 2007:
http://x17online.com/celebrities/britney_spears/britney_over_the_paps_plus_an_update_on_the_legal_drama-10112007.php
December 9th, 2008 at 6:46 pm
And again on October 11, 2007:
http://x17online.com/celebrities/britney_spears/x17_xclusive_britney_postcourt-10112007.php
December 9th, 2008 at 6:53 pm
Well, well, well…
Check out THIS:
http://x17online.com/celebrities/britney_spears/x17_xclusive_britneys_absence_explained-10112007.php
So Britney wasn’t in court because of the prescription sleeping pills she picked up at Target. She overslept!
Now consider it was not Sam that she was with at Target…but Brett.
Wow.
December 9th, 2008 at 6:58 pm
And when Jamie Lynn is in L.A., she stays at Evil Allie’s apartment:
http://x17online.com/celebrities/britney_spears/lonely_britney_spends_night_with_alli_jamielynn-10112007.php
December 9th, 2008 at 7:10 pm
By October 17, 2007, Brett is gone and there’s a new assistant:
http://x17online.com/celebrities/britney_spears/britney_breaks_in_a_new_assistant-10172007.php
December 9th, 2008 at 7:17 pm
The same day Fat Tony filed a claim with Child Protective Services:
http://x17online.com/celebrities/britney_spears/child_protective_services_at_brits_house-10042007.php
December 9th, 2008 at 7:19 pm
Odd none of the vids work. I searched a little under hollywood.tv I didn’t get very far but all of the vids worked.
Sooo… Bret’s in the pics when family is in town but at no other time? October 2007.
December 9th, 2008 at 7:22 pm
Teamwork. Bret.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YI4kxXMof8k&feature=channel
December 9th, 2008 at 7:30 pm
October 3, 2007
Alli moves out of Brit’s house, into an apartment she claims she “had all along.”
http://x17online.com/celebrities/alli_sims/update_alli_packs_her_bags_but_her_brit_are_aokay-10032007.php
I’m not seeing any assistant between October 3rd and October 8th, when Brett shows up (along with Ma and Jamie Lynn).
December 9th, 2008 at 7:34 pm
You know, this kind of explains to me why, after October 2007, Brit always seemed to be alone with Sam. Allie had moved out, she couldn’t keep an assistant around (other than Karla, the maid?) and after the Fat Tony incident, she probably didn’t trust bodyguards not to run to the media/Child Protective Services and blab.
December 9th, 2008 at 7:37 pm
Isn’t it odd that Jamie Lynn would stay with Allie in L.A., and not Brit?
That tells me that Allie was WAY closer to the family than Ma makes her out to be…
December 9th, 2008 at 7:38 pm
Maybe the reason Alli moved out was because Mama was coming.
Alli did not want to be caught moving out but she was caught. She wasn’t prepared with much of a story.
December 9th, 2008 at 7:40 pm
Alli came right back into the picture though Steel.
Dec. 4, 2007 – Alli, Sam and others spotted leaving Hyde Lounge. Sam says, “There’s cameras Alli. DON’T come out with me. You’re coming behind me..” Guy in striped shirt is ventriloquist. “Hey, reminder bro,” says Sam. “I’ll be there in a bit,” says V. Sam is seen coming out again later without any crowd whatsoever. Did he go back? Black guy in yellow shirt is same guy in the same shirt on his myspace acct group photo.
http://www.tmz.com/2007/12/05/alli-sims-signs-autographs/2
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=3089599
December 9th, 2008 at 7:42 pm
notes:
Oct. 3, 2007 – In an attempt to regain custody of her children, Britney visits the California Department of Motor Vehicles and applies for a temporary driver’s license; One is granted, allaying, if only temporarily, concerns over her driving habits. (MTV)
“ – Alli spotted by X moving her things into storage. Alii maintains that’s all that’s going on and that she’s had an apartment all along and that this was planned. She doesn’t look like she’s had a shower and likely didn’t mean to get caught. http://x17video.com/celebrity_video/alli_sims/is_alli_moving_on.php
“—Perez Hilton proclaims Sam creepy. Sam was with her when she lost her kids 10-1. 10-2 he spoke w/People.com and US Weekly. PH is also saying SL is leaking info to X. http://perezhilton.com/2007-10-03-replacing-cousin-alli#respond
“Update: Sam Lufti is the same man that Kevin Federline’s team was trying to subpoena last night. Processor Aaron Cohen was unable to serve him because Sam crashed his car into Aaron’s and then spead away from the scene of the crime.”
“ – CNN includes Jason Kennedy on a panel of why Britney didn’t show up. He is the only one to say her lawyers said she didn’t have to be there. Some websites write Jason got an exclusive from Lutfi who said Brit had anxiety when she saw the reporters.
December 9th, 2008 at 7:56 pm
Back to December for a moment.
Sam calls Lynne in tears about Britney and the bathroom.
Lynne talks to Jamie and Bryan, “…begging them to go see what was going on, but they had a much more blase attitude than me, saying that Sam was blowing things out of proportion. Neither one of them would ever have anything to do with Sam, and the only reason I did was because he was the only link to my daughter, and I just couldn’t sever it. They reminded me that Briney did not want to see any of us.’
snip
‘But the two of them were firm with a “wait and see” attitude.’
snip
‘Thank God for Lonnie, the little boys’ bodyguard, who called me repeatedly and assured me that Preston was just fine…”
December 9th, 2008 at 7:58 pm
So what happened during the October visit to reconcile?
No Alli or Jamie Lynne in the house. Just Lynne, Sam, and Britney?</