Britney Gets Her Dance On
Britney Spears visited the International Dance Studio in Hollywood last night, probably rehearsing for those upcoming appearances to promote her new album coming out next month. Looks like she made a Starbucks run on the way over. But hey, a girl needs energy to dance.
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November 4th, 2008 at 2:45 pm
bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla ….
November 4th, 2008 at 3:02 pm
Yea. There she is. Good to see her! It’s Fall.
November 4th, 2008 at 3:07 pm
Ama sounds like your not liking the daily update on the dance studio and coffee run. That is probably all they have so far to report.
November 4th, 2008 at 3:20 pm
http://www.jfxonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/110408brit-235.jpg
November 4th, 2008 at 3:34 pm
Linda – Are these pictures from the same day? Different top, different people in picture with her? Who is that with her with Larry Rudolph? Is that a body guard or is that someone else?
AMA why you send me her pic with those people behind her?
November 4th, 2008 at 3:40 pm
Yes, Ama, who is that to the left of her? I recognize Larry, but I can’t place the other fellow. But I know I’ve seen him before…
November 4th, 2008 at 3:43 pm
2 cts it is the same day. She probably wore the other top under the peach shirt before she worked out.
I am confused as to Ama’s original comment followed by a link to a picture.
Yes gi that is Larry.
November 4th, 2008 at 4:13 pm
Who is the other one. I see Larry but there is someone else there.
November 4th, 2008 at 4:16 pm
Explaining:
My 2:nd “post” was only a comment to the choice of the prime choice of pic in the original comment
November 4th, 2008 at 4:30 pm
yes I like that one too.
November 4th, 2008 at 4:40 pm
oh. bla bla bla denotes one has heard it all before or does not care.
November 4th, 2008 at 4:41 pm
Linda, why did you run with that picture?
November 4th, 2008 at 5:21 pm
I posted a pic awhile ago … wondering if the person with Brit and Larry and x. I was comparing the guy to Sam .. asking you all if it was Sam. But everyone said it wasn’t.
But yeah, who is this guy?
gallery.untouchablebritney.net/thumbnails.php?album=2135
November 4th, 2008 at 5:22 pm
http://gallery.untouchablebritney.net/displayimage.php?album=4757&pos=0
November 4th, 2008 at 5:25 pm
From Jan 10, 2008 KLM?
November 4th, 2008 at 5:28 pm
yes. Beginning of this year.
November 4th, 2008 at 5:29 pm
No No No
2007
November 4th, 2008 at 5:32 pm
OH. Well that would be a find indeed.
November 4th, 2008 at 5:35 pm
Steel (sorry all for the interruption but we have vacated a more relevant thread).
$15,000 gets one out of the County Court and into the Circuit Court in the State of Florida. You’ll have to do your own homework from there.
I don’t think there are many “jury trials” at the county level.
November 4th, 2008 at 5:35 pm
You don’t remember seeing pictures of the same guy as above?
November 4th, 2008 at 5:37 pm
Ronnie, who is the guy on the left please?
November 4th, 2008 at 5:42 pm
was that back when she was dating hummm was it Isac someone? Back before the head shave. I think he was a model
November 4th, 2008 at 5:45 pm
I dont remember her hair being that short either
November 4th, 2008 at 5:45 pm
The other guy is an assistant to Larry. He works for him or something. I recall pictures of him with Britney in a record store about 2 yrs ago.
I like her coat.
November 4th, 2008 at 5:49 pm
I think his name is Adam.
Link to his myspace. I found this info a few yrs ago, when I first him with her. Or noticed, I should say.
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=11435076
November 4th, 2008 at 5:53 pm
Ronnie says it might be her new photographer/camera man. Thanks Ronnie.
November 4th, 2008 at 5:56 pm
I don’t think it is, but I won’t argue with Ronnie.
November 4th, 2008 at 5:57 pm
I agree with small hands. We have seen this guy previously. As the photos I linked you to show. I was thinking the same thing. Maybe he works with Larry.
November 4th, 2008 at 5:58 pm
Sharp eyes small. That’s him alright. http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=11435076&albumID=0&imageID=547827
But maybe he is acting as the new… photographer/cameraman while … doing what at the same time?
November 4th, 2008 at 5:59 pm
Yupp … the myspace page is definitely him.
November 4th, 2008 at 6:00 pm
Well on the link I provided, it says he’s in charge of marketing or mananging or something. Maybe he’s behind the marketing aspect around her new CD and appearances. Maybe I don’t know.
November 4th, 2008 at 6:01 pm
I like the pics of him with snoop and ice cube and the one with (can’t rem his name) … he looks good with blonde hair.
November 4th, 2008 at 6:02 pm
He’s listed in connection with Brit’s upcoming documentary.
You are probably right small that they go back a few years and with Larry. Adam Leber.
November 4th, 2008 at 6:04 pm
if you look at his friends on myspace you will see larry and also Britney. lol Add Britney and see if she accepts.
November 4th, 2008 at 6:06 pm
Is that upcoming documentary the one on MTV?
I’m sure Britney would add you as a friend. It’s her music my space.
November 4th, 2008 at 6:19 pm
Adam’s got a cool job!
You know, I don’t know a single person who has a MySpace page. It must be an American thing??
November 4th, 2008 at 6:29 pm
Did you know Pedro Castro was the cinema photographer on both Britney’s Gimme More video and her upcoming documentary?
Well then who was that guy following her around all the time with the cameras?
November 4th, 2008 at 6:31 pm
I’m sure it will reach north Steel as it came out of L.A. and is still branching out.
It might be fun for you to connect with us out here.
November 4th, 2008 at 6:32 pm
It does take some trust however.
November 4th, 2008 at 6:35 pm
Twenty five more minutes. Are you counting up north too?
November 4th, 2008 at 6:45 pm
We’re all Facebook fanatics here, but I don’t know anyone on Myspace.
Here’s something fun if you haven’t seen it:
http://www.yearbookyourself.com/
November 4th, 2008 at 6:48 pm
Counting…The election is today, right?
I’ve been following along a bit, if only because it’s such an historic race. But I tend to follow politics here more than anything. Kinda. What goes on in the U.S. has a huge impact on anything that happens here.
November 4th, 2008 at 6:56 pm
AM, I tend to check back on old threads, so we can keep that one going, too, if you have more stuff on the Wright case to share. I’ll see the posts eventually.
November 4th, 2008 at 7:05 pm
Yes of course. I should pay more attention to politics in the north. I have loved every visit.
Facebook is big here too but for me that’s more my “reality” than myspace.com which is to say fewer people that I know are on myspace than on facebook?
I would love to work on Wright with you. More info coming hopefully in a day or two.
November 4th, 2008 at 7:11 pm
You *could* pay more attention to politics in the North…if you’re looking for an alternative to sleeping pills. Zzzzzzzz. LOL.
November 4th, 2008 at 7:46 pm
I’m on both myspace and facebook.
November 4th, 2008 at 8:40 pm
I should have said my spouse and others are on facebook.
That would be like George Castanza’s “worlds colliding.”
November 4th, 2008 at 9:44 pm
J Wrihgt want “a procentages” of Britneys imcome 2008.. (x17)
How much would that be?
Is “a procentages” the same as ONE percent?
Strange that he dont admit a written deposition, and demand a videotaped version.
I mean, a written word must be as good, if not better, than a videotape?
Sometimes if seems like people (many men in this “case”) do live on Britney like she is a “mothership”. They clinging on on her, desperately, lost in space, sans a word from her lips, or money, or something comming from Britney Spears.
November 4th, 2008 at 10:02 pm
Its early wednesday morning here, and its so ..I cant sleep.
Anyone here right now?
November 4th, 2008 at 10:24 pm
I’m in and out. Just checking in.
November 4th, 2008 at 11:27 pm
I’m here but like gigi checking in and out.
I am not sure what you are talking about. Do you have a new source?
We should be having new information in a few days about what happened in October and from another crucial date from before.
Ama, go see the TMZ post I put up on the other thread. It has the original Complaint, the companies Johnny is after in terms of revenue, and the actual early contracts between Britney, BTI and Wright Entertainment.
November 4th, 2008 at 11:34 pm
Here ’tis ama
http://www.tmz.com/2007/11/01/former-manager-to-brit-gimme-more-money/
November 4th, 2008 at 11:44 pm
AM
My info from this:
http://worldofbritney.com/?p=2530
You have of cource more informations, tricky “law papers” who I dont have a chance to get a grip over.
I also have read, as I write before, that the first contract was between Britney´s parents and mr Wright, she was only 17, I think.
Anyway, I dont understand why you, and maybe steel_ are so urgent to do the work on mr Wrihgts behalf.. Or have I understand the outcomst wrong?
I do have a lingering memory of some “feelings” that Steel_ work inside the law system
Family court I belived from the start, but now I dont know any longer. 
Many wrong spellings, I´m afraid. Sorry
Have to sleep, a couple of hours..
November 5th, 2008 at 1:42 am
Ama. You still up?
If you think for a second I am for Wright you are mistaken.
I am not for him at all.
As for legal jargon I try google plus “legal term” and get a dictionary. I have other resources but don’t want to trouble them and also, too much explaining to do.
Please do not loop me ever again on anything that is against A and B. Ever ick, yuck, uussh.
My motive is to figure out Wright’s timing, how his timing might figure into C-ship, etc.
November 5th, 2008 at 1:46 am
Also the amount he is after. You understand default judgment?
The MONEY was in their hands. Default judgment.
No answer from the other team, Britney’s, is what brought it I guess….. and some shyt (shit) after that made it seem Britney was a bad character. Period.
Then came the defense finally… but the dates are skewed and odd. I can not ignore. They related to dates of C-ship, October 27-28th being the most glaring.
I gave you the means to find this information out for your own research. English does not help understanding some of the legal terms hence trying with a legal dictionary.
How could you think I was for Wright? That’s for crap.
November 5th, 2008 at 1:50 am
Did you understand that the monetary figure $15K moved the case into an upper court? U.S. District Court.
I guess the county does not have jury trial and only has simple trials.
Wright was looking for money. Big money.
I thought he was a “nice guy” just looking for his money until I looked into it. He’s not so nice afterall. In my opinion. He’s mean. His timing is untimely or is it, was it, strategic and in coordination with Los Angeles?
November 5th, 2008 at 1:51 am
You understand I am suspicious.
Clear as I can be.
November 5th, 2008 at 2:47 am
That must have been where I thought the amount she owed was less that 100,000.
Wright is always looking for money.
November 5th, 2008 at 5:11 am
AM
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I do admit, I dont understand all this juridic terms, not even if you try to explain (and I dont think you have to, because thats to much work
As long as you yourself know that all you get up on the table dont harm Britney, you have nothing to regret. And please take my excuse.
I have for a long time now, seen the pattern of the leeches who lived and still try to live on Britney.
! Some of the law cases are ridiculus
In fact, I think there is something in the law system who make it possible to sued people for even giving as little as an glance on someone
And for the family court…
Can’t understand why the family court don’t have any demands (as we know, of cource) on Kevin Federline.
Do they look at his possibility to be a role model for this two boys? Do they test him, random? Do they look on who he trucks with? How does his liver lives?
November 5th, 2008 at 12:45 pm
Ama, I couldn’t explain if I wanted to. I’d be too hesitant on misinterpreting what I read.
At least I understand more of the codes of what I was reading, i.e., Plaintiff’s actions versus Defendant’s actions, versus the Judge’s actions.
What I want to know is how me, a civilian, found the $5 Million and published it here. Where are the investigative journalists?
Also, if the attorney is so proud of what he thought he had garnered for his client Johnny Wright in a Default Judgment rule why didn’t it make the news?
I guess journalists didn’t think it was important or interesting enough to pursue. But I do. A few others on this board seem to … I mean $5 million has changed our point of view a little bit.
See you guys later. I am off to get more education in English. lol
November 5th, 2008 at 1:06 pm
Amapola Says:
November 4th, 2008 at 11:44 pm AM
Anyway, I dont understand why you, and maybe steel_ are so urgent to do the work on mr Wrihgts behalf.. Or have I understand the outcomst wrong?
I do have a lingering memory of some “feelings” that Steel_ work inside the law system Family court I belived from the start, but now I dont know any longer.
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Ama, I’m a filmmaker, but two of my big projects have had to do with famous legal cases here in my country. One of the projects I’m working on is on behalf of a law firm, so I’ve been spending lots of time around lawyers for the past couple of years…but I’m not going to claim to understand legal papers. Especially ones coming out of the U.S., since the legal system there is quite different. I’m probably at the same level of understanding as you.
November 5th, 2008 at 5:31 pm
Highlights of Exhibit A — the Personal Management Agreement. I believe Exhibits A-D were presented 12/18/07 as support for a Motion for Default Judgment on behalf of Johnny Wright. I used bold wherever TMZ underlined or where someone else underlined for emphasis.
Paraphrased:
…Artist shall pay Manager the sum of Seven and one half percent (7-1/2%) of Artist’s Gross Receipts,, as and when received by the Artist. Gross receipts shall be defined as all compensation in whatever form. (in short that included any companies she set up from clothing to perfume etc., movie roles, appearances) I really don’t understand the next line — does it really mean and any money paid to her family, heirs, executors etc. ..or applied for Artist’s benefit. Gross receipts shall not include the following…. #6) commissions paid to booking agents (not to exceed ten (10%) percent
The Artist shall also pay Manager’s expenses reasonably incurred on Artist’s behalf.
Moving on.
Artist shall retain a Certified Public Accountant to collect Artist’s income hereafter. Said accountant shall be instructed by Artist to pay Manager directly any and all sums due him herein and to account to Manager on a monthly basis. The parties shall have the right to audit each other’s books and records in connection with this agreement only, upon reasonable notice of the same, no more than one(1) time per year.
snip
Notices hereunder shall be sufficient if sent by registered party at the address set forth herein above, or such other address as either party may from time to time designate.
Signed January 1999 between Lynne, Jamie, and Johnny Wright. There is an Exhibit A in this exhibit but it’s part of the contract and basically says Britney is a minor.
Exhibit B
Letter/amendments to contract from Britney to Johnny and signed by both.
September 2000
I’m 18.
This letter states an agreement between the two with the following changes:
“Notwithstanding the commission figure stated in paragraph “6″ of the Agreement, commencing January 1, 2001, during each consecutive twelve (12) month period following such date, your commissions shall be reduced by ten (10%) (i.e. from 7-1/2% to 6-3/4%) on all Gross Receipts from $20,000,001 to(?) $30,000,000: by an additional ten (10%) percent (i.e., from 6-3/4% to 6%)on all Gross Receipts from $30,000,001 to $40,000,000; and by an additional ten (10%) percent (i.e.,from 6% to 5-1/4%) on all Gross Receipts exceeding $40,000,000, on an annual basis. On January 1, 2002, and on January 1st of each subsequent year of the Term, commissions shall resume again at seven and one-half (7-1/2%) percent with reductions based upon Gross Receipts totals as stated herein for each subject year.”
snip. Paragraph 1 from the Agreement about Artist Manager is now replaced by:
“Subject to the terms and conditions of this agreement Artist hereby engaged Manager and Manager agrees to act as Artist’s personala dn career co-manager, representative and advisor for the period of one (1) year from the date of the (emendment?) to this Agreement, to terminate on September 18, 2001, unless extended by the parties hereafter (such period hereinafter referred to as the “Term”). As used herein, the term “Artist” included all “controllled Entities” as defined herein.
This shall further serve to ratify and confirm all commission payments hereto..received by you. In all other respects, this shall confirm taht all of the terms and conditions of the Agreement are hereby ratified and confirmed in their entirety.”
Exhibit C
Again letter to Johnny. February 21, 2001
“Subject to the terms and conditions fo this agreement Artist hereby engages Manager and Manager agrees to act as Artist’s peraonl and career co-manager, representative and advisor for the period of two (2) years from the date of the second amendment to this Agreement, to terminate on February 20, 2003 unless extended by the parties hereafter (such period hereinafter referred to as the “Term”). As used herein, the term “Artist” includes all “Controlled Entities” as defined herein.”
Signed by Johnny and Britney. By the way, “Very truly yours” is common in formal letters. I can’t remember what article I read that made it sound like something different as in cute or nuts.
My head hurts now. I’ll try to post later about some events in the case. I asked for outside help on a smidgeon of the activities by plaintiff.
Ama can you throw all of this into Babel Vista or something? You wouldn’t happen to be our math expert would you?
November 5th, 2008 at 5:35 pm
I hope you guys don’t mind me sharing and thinking aloud at the same time. Law is not my forte. Typing it out helped a little. Now I am trying to understand why they maligned her character in court. Or did they just make her look crazy?
I’ll wait to hear from my friend the attorney.
November 5th, 2008 at 6:07 pm
No wonder her attorneys are charging so much. If I had to deal with crap like that I would want a butt load of money too
November 5th, 2008 at 6:18 pm
My mind is fried gigi. lol but serious.
ok, here is what a Summons is or what was sent to Britney Spears. Was she supposed to show up in Orlando… and didn’t? Still trying to figure out why the Plaintiffs maligned her character.
Just scroll guys or move on to the next thread if not interested.
Commencing Legal Proceedings and Procedures Before Trial
How does a defendant find out that he or she is being sued?
The lawyer for the plaintiff or the clerk of the court will draft a paper called a summons. The summons tells the defendant that a suit has been filed against him or her, who filed it, and the time and place to appear in court. This summons, along with the complaint, must then be given to the defendant. A sheriff or marshal may deliver the documents, or a private process server may be hired, or the documents might be mailed by registered mail. You should check on the required method of service appropriate for your case. These documents provide the defendants with the first official notice that they are being sued.
American Bar Association Family Legal Guide
Copyright © 2004 American Bar Association
So.
10/27/07 Complaint filed with a notice for a Summons to be issued. (for a deposition? Or to show up in Court?)
She and her company Britney Touring Inc. (BTI) was served November 1st.
Then her attorneys from Holland and Knight were sent copies of the Complaint on 11/19 — so Britney must have responded through her attorneys?
Here’s info on Complaints;
Commencing Legal Proceedings and Procedures Before Trial
What begins a lawsuit?
A lawsuit begins when the plaintiff files a document called a complaint with the court. The complaint recounts what happened to the plaintiff, what the plaintiff wants the court to do about it, and the legal reasons why the court ought to do what the plaintiff asks. The various wrongs the plaintiff claims to have suffered are listed in separate counts of the complaint. The complaint also sets forth the remedy the plaintiff is seeking from the court.
November 5th, 2008 at 6:19 pm
What are the defendant’s options after being served with the complaint and summons?
At this point, most defendants will hire a lawyer to prepare their defense to the suit. The defendant’s lawyer will determine when the defendant needs to respond to the complaint, discuss the details of the complaint with the defendant, and review the complaint and summons to be certain that it meets all legal requirements. If the complaint appears defective, legally or factually, the defendant may file a motion with the court.
November 5th, 2008 at 6:20 pm
How much information should the defendant include in the answer? (or what happens when a defendant does not respond?
Essentially, the defendant’s answer must make the plaintiff and the court aware of the defendant’s response to each allegation and count in the complaint, by stating whether he or she is contesting or admitting each allegation and count, or is unable to contest or admit because of insufficient information. A failure to respond can be interpreted as an admission by the defendant that the plaintiff’s allegation is true. In addition, the answer may raise any affirmative defenses the defendant may have. An affirmative defense is a defense beyond simple denial, where the defendant attempts to counter, defeat, or remove all or a part of the contentions of the plaintiff. If a defendant raises an affirmative defense, the defendant will be required to prove it if the case goes to trial.
If the defendant has reason to believe that the court lacks jurisdiction to hear the case, the defendant should raise that issue at the earliest possible opportunity
November 5th, 2008 at 6:35 pm
Hey Steel? Grossman was fired on 2/11/08 right? As far as we know he was Britney’s CPA — the money man.
There isn’t anything recorded the the public can see between 12/18/07 and 2/12/08….
By coincidence or no, the Plaintiff’s push for a Final Default Judgment on 2/12 and get it on 2/14.
Something smells here.
I don’t know where we are right now but could we close the Britney’s Conservatorship thread. It’s getting hard to find.
November 5th, 2008 at 6:48 pm
I’m done after this for awhile. At least I understand more what went down in court:
Motion for Default Judgment
If a defendant fails to answer the complaint or file a motion to dismiss within the time limit set forth in the summons, the defendant is in default. When a defendant is in default, the plaintiff can ask the court clerk to make a note of that fact in the file, a procedure called entry of default. Entry of default is serious: it means that because the defendant has failed to appear, he or she will not be permitted to contest whether he or she is liable to the plaintiff. Instead, the only question in dispute is how much the plaintiff should receive in damages. The court will send the defendant a notice stating that default has been entered against him or her.
If a defendant is in default, acts promptly, and has an adequate excuse, he or she may be able to convince the court to set aside or vacate (undo) the entry of default from the file. Courts very much prefer that cases be decided on the merits, which often influences them to grant a motion to vacate entry of default. But in some cases, a court will decide that the defendants reasons aren’t good enough and refuse to set aside or vacate the entry of default.
http://public.findlaw.com for all of the above.
November 5th, 2008 at 6:56 pm
1604. Steel_Magnolia Says:
May 16th, 2008 at 6:54 pm
Style and A.M.,
I don’t know if we should count Grossman out of this. He WAS the guy paying (and not paying!) all of Britney’s bills on her behalf.
November 5th, 2008 at 7:03 pm
Ah, I now I see where you were going with this… LOL
November 5th, 2008 at 7:05 pm
I think I’d decided in my head who the Punyman was, and hadn’t quite connected it with the Wright case.
November 5th, 2008 at 7:08 pm
Have we figured out when Grossman was hired?
If she stopped paying in December of 2006, then whoever was in charge at that point made the decision to stop paying. If that was Grossman, okay. If not, it’s possible that Grossman was never given the proper instructions to pay Wright to begin with.
I would think finding out who was doing her accounting in December 2006 would be an interesting first step.
November 5th, 2008 at 7:45 pm
How to find that though. And thank goodness you stepped in. If interested here is a link that Style Maven gave us. It has the court document giving Jamie permission to fire Grossman.
I can’t believe how ez it was to blend Grossman from business manager into … entertainment or career manager?
Sounds like he had access to everything financial of Brit’s including her tax returns, safety deposit keys — anything and everything.
We must consider Northern Trust Bank…. you think?
Style’s link: http://images.eonline.com/static/news/pdf/britney_spears_fax.pdf
Oh and I forgot that Streisand was referred to Britney by her custody attorneys at Trope and Trope.
Damn that puny man. Mark. Where the heck are you?
November 5th, 2008 at 7:55 pm
There was a bit of a power vacuum once Larry and Brit parted ways, I would think. And it looks like Lutfi and Grossman (and other business managers mentioned by Wright) filled it.
November 5th, 2008 at 7:57 pm
To tell you the truth, I got to thinking the Punyman was quite unrelated to Grossman and Lutfi.
November 5th, 2008 at 8:02 pm
Well it seems Larry was her Entertainment Lawyer and Johnny Wright did the management?
I get confused… How do we date stamp Grossman?
November 5th, 2008 at 8:31 pm
Larry isn’t her lawyer – he’s her manager. It sounds like Johnny was a co-manager. Larry seems to be more into logistics, while Johnny was more into shaping her image. (Someone correct me if I’m wrong…)
Neither of them would’ve dealt with her money.
November 5th, 2008 at 8:44 pm
Google around if you feel like it otherwise, “Specifically, Goldman, Lichtenberg, Wasserman & Grossman provides business management services such as bill paying, accounting, insurance administration, and tax planning and preparation.”
bill paying
Chase had just purchased the firm … this was in 2000, neither here nor there other than to say, Grossman was in the business of paying bills.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0EIN/is_2000_August_2/ai_63818061
November 5th, 2008 at 8:46 pm
Yes, Grossman was, but neither Larry or Johnny were. Her accountant would’ve been paying THEM.
I think we were getting our wires crossed there.
November 5th, 2008 at 8:47 pm
Brit tomorrow night on stage with Madonna…and Justin?!
November 5th, 2008 at 11:16 pm
I will believe it when I see it.
Steel. In your guess, why hasn’t Townsend deposed Howard Grossman?
November 5th, 2008 at 11:21 pm
Steel, Larry may be her manager now, but he was her Entertainment Lawyer earlier on.
He didn’t manage her career until later … after Johnny was booted?
We’re on the same page right?
November 5th, 2008 at 11:35 pm
Maybe it’s neither here nor there. Larry was her co-manager in 1999 .. and he set her on an audition with Jive in 1997? If he was co-manager then Johnny was the other manager?
http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20130487,00.html
2000
Bottom line is Howard Grossman and it doesn’t appear he has ever been contacted regarding this case. Why in the world would the Defense depose him …. will or would he say, and be able to prove, “Britney told me not to pay him any more.”
November 5th, 2008 at 11:45 pm
Steel. Please forgive that I came into this case or her story late like Jan. 2007. This is probably repetitious to you but not to myself and maybe not some others.
“Britney was picked up by Larry Rudolph, an entertainment lawyer turned manager who was in the process of packaging ‘NSync with Johnny Wright, manager of New Kids on the Block and the Backstreet Boys.”
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/18310562/cover_story_the_tragedy_of_britney_spears/2
Feb 2008
November 5th, 2008 at 11:55 pm
So do you think Grossman and Wright were working together?
November 6th, 2008 at 2:19 am
I don’t know. I hadn’t thought about that.
I was thinking more that Wright was caught in the cross-fire.
If you think about it, it wasn’t that hard to stir up feeling of betrayal, hostility, paranoia, I mean who really knows.
I do think though or I have am suspicious between dealings in L.A. and Orlando. Howard Grossman. He’s not my ultimate Fall Guy but … his hands are not clean.
Show of hands for anyone who thinks Grossman is clean.
November 6th, 2008 at 2:25 am
Like Ama, I can’t see to get sleepy tonight.
So I was thinking. Some think of Britney and “work work work” and while that’s true I wish to consider her.
She loves to sing. She loves people. She loves to dance. She loves hard work. She hears the music. She loves teamwork and camaraderie. Loneliness has been hers.
If someone had given me prescription for anything it would have been to do the things I love.
It all comes at a cost but you can’t put a price on the kind of happiness that comes from that which we love to do. She also loves to love…
11:30 p.m. wide awake.
November 6th, 2008 at 2:28 am
Steel … there is yet the punyman. I put punyman and Grossman together.
Wright have been incited.
And then we have Lycia Naffe.. exiting the courthouse, November…2007 and who knows.. throughout?
Didn’t know courtrooms were her beat.
November 6th, 2008 at 2:54 am
It’s all very interesting to read and think about.
November 6th, 2008 at 9:09 am
I’ll go along with that – Wright caught in the crossfire, accountants of all shapes and sizes getting their hands dirty. And the Punyman living in L.A., working with various media types to keep things moving along.
November 6th, 2008 at 9:12 am
Speaking of business managers…What do we know about Jamie’s business manager, “Lou”?
November 6th, 2008 at 11:57 am
Lou. I haven’t read the whole book but he appears to be someone the family trusts.
When Brit and Sam had the huge fight, it was Lou who sent Lynne a text message, “GO OVER THERE. THEY HAD A FIGHT.”
and
“We didn’t know it then but Lou, Jamie, and I had been hoping for the same thing: we all believed the only way to loosen Sam’s stranglehold on Britney was for them to turn on each other. And we all had been praying for it. I was so very tired of playing games with Sam. Please God, let this be the end.”
small. I am relieved to understand an iota more about the legal system. I tell you though my brain was fried yesterday.
November 6th, 2008 at 12:07 pm
So Lou must either monitor the gossip blogs, or had a relationship with Sam to know that they were fighting?
November 6th, 2008 at 12:17 pm
Who the heck knows. Lynne was apparently at Kevin’s house and having just “put the babies to bed.”
November 6th, 2008 at 12:30 pm
Could it be this Lou?
http://tristarse.com/loutaylor/loutaylor_lou.asp
November 6th, 2008 at 12:42 pm
http://www.nationalenquirer.com/celebrity/65597
November 6th, 2008 at 12:45 pm
Ok. So a Complaint and Summons were sent with no response by Team Spears.
A Default Judgment is granted … and then the court asks for the production of documents (exhibits, supports, proof…?)
The case is reopened on March 24th. Team Spears responds at last ala Andrew Wallet and the defense team. I don’t pretend to understand what happened on April 8th by the Plaintiff’s but this item sticks out. “EXHIBITS IN SUPPORT OF EXHIBIT A – AMENDED SUBPOENA DUCES TECUM WITHOUT DEPOSITION” I had trouble finding a civilian’s definition.
The plaintiff is very active on April 14th with exhibits. It’s clear Plaintiff wants the Default Judgment. Exhibits include 4 Court Orders of Conservatorship. (how does that help their case?) Here are the exhibits that to me malign Britney’s character.
4/14/2008 P-A EXHIBITS IN SUPPORT OF R1 – VMA & TMZ ARTICLES
4/14/2008 P-A EXHIBITS IN SUPPORT OF P(B) – 3RD ORDER EXTENDING CONSERVATORSHIP
4/14/2008 P-A EXHIBITS IN SUPPORT OF C – PRESS ARTICLE
4/14/2008 P-A EXHIBITS IN SUPPORT OF P(A) – 3RD ORDER EXTENDING CONSERVATORSHIP
4/14/2008 P-A EXHIBITS IN SUPPORT OF R5 – LINER NOTES FROM BRITNEY ALBUM
4/14/2008 P-A EXHIBITS IN SUPPORT OF R4- LOVELYBRITNEY.COM ARTICLE AND TMZ COPY OF COMPLAINT RE PARKING LOT CRASH
P-A is all plaintiff. Liner notes from her album? My thanks to Johnny Wright? I have no idea. I don’t own the CD.
I can say that interrogatories were sent out in the beginning, seem to have never been answered by Team Spears. On the 14th, Plaintiff’s team makes another effort to have the court order responses. Or are they just saying or trying to prove that they never got any response from Team Spears before?
Move on. Who or what is in St. Helena Parish, Louisiana? We’ve got subpoena and commissioners now in NY NY, L.A., and in St. Helena Parish (by motion of Plaintiff).
On October 27th there is a flurry of what seems like “emergency” activity but it’s unclear blow by blow who all is taking action. The code it P999. What the heck does that mean?
Two new entries have been added, after the 28th that I included below.
10/28/2008 ORDER
10/30/2008 LETTER FILED TO CLERK FROM ILERAINE F. WOLFGRAMM
10/30/2008 LETTER FILED TO JUDGE FROM CLAY M. TOWNSEND
Check this out please? http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=96041795
I am grateful for company and mind sharing. I’m in over my head and I am hearing that pop pop sound of brain frying.
November 6th, 2008 at 12:52 pm
ok Steel, I will scan through the book again for Lou’s full name.
November 6th, 2008 at 1:38 pm
From Learn the Law:
“If you want to depose a “non-party witness” (someone other than your adversary), you’ll probably have to serve the witness with an official court form called a “Subpoena re Deposition.” If you want the non-party witness to bring documents to the deposition, use instead a form carrying the fancy title “Subpoena Duces Tecum re Deposition.” (These forms should be available from a court clerk.) List the documents you want the witness to bring along, and state briefly how they pertain to the case.”
So… is Wolfgramm a non-party witness? Or a third party complaint?
10/23/2008 P999 AGREED MOTION FOR EXTENSION OF TIME FOR PLAINTIFFS’ RESPONSE TO DEFENDANTS’ MOT ION FOR LEAVE TO FILE AMENDED AFFIRMATIVE DEFENSES TO THE COMPLAINT AND FOR LEA VE TO FILE A COUNTERCLAIM AND THIRD PARTY COMPLAINT
November 6th, 2008 at 1:48 pm
Beats me.
From Learn the Law:
“Third-party Complaint
Sometimes a defendant who has been sued will have a legal reason for passing liability off to another person. A common example is a contract in which the third party promises to pay if you the defendant is found liable in a case. This person may be brought into the lawsuit if the defendant files a Third-party Complaint. Like the regular Complaint, it will set forth the relevant facts giving rise to the defendant’s claim against the third party, and will set forth a request for relief.
Answer to Third-party Complaint
The person being sued through a Third-party Complaint must file an Answer, similar to the one filed after the original Complaint.”
November 6th, 2008 at 4:21 pm
Steel, stop working so hard. Come over here and help.
small? any theories?
November 6th, 2008 at 5:51 pm
I could not get through on the link to national enquirer, mayby this one will do?
TheseBootsAreMadeForStalking dot com » Jamie Lynn Spears –
The woman identified herself as Lou M. Taylor and told the Enquirer,
- “I represent Jamie Lynn and Lynne Spears, and if you want to make a deal with Casey , …
thesebootsaremadeforstalking.com/?cat=240
November 6th, 2008 at 6:03 pm
Steel_Magnolia Says:
November 5th, 2008 at 1:06 pm
Ama, I’m a filmmaker, but two of my big projects have had to do with famous legal cases here in my country. One of the projects I’m working on is on behalf of a law firm, so I’ve been spending lots of time around lawyers for the past couple of years…but I’m not going to claim to understand legal papers. Especially ones coming out of the U.S., since the legal system there is quite different. I’m probably at the same level of understanding as you.
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You smart Steel_
I dont undertand ANYTHING about this legal papers..The only thing I know about the law (and thats in my country) I have learn from my father, and we was very agree that the outcomes of justice, visavi practice of law, is two totally different definitions.
November 6th, 2008 at 6:10 pm
So they are all suppose to meet on the Nov 18th right? Do you think that Britney’s motion for leave will be granted OR will it be more legal jargon?
It’s all so confusing. Is it bad that I don’t like Johnny Wright at all.
This Lou character, it all stinks. Looking at those two stories about Jamie Lyn, Casey, Lynne, and Lou only makes me “shake me head” about Lynne. I’m trying not to be so mean towards and be more understanding, but it’s hard. Lynne really needs to get a life and quit making her kids lives her means of making money. She leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Not to be mean, but who really gives a damn about Jamie Lynn and her baby daddy?
November 6th, 2008 at 6:47 pm
small you amaze me. Earlier today I put up something from the book at Jamie Lynn, Casey … a business manager etc. from the book and I thought nah .. I didn’t print or post it right?
It made me sick. Apparently there were several people of influence who wanted Jamie Lynn to be sent to a Christian based reform school in Tennessee.
It made me ILL. Lynne put her foot down though and said no.
One thing we really haven’t talked about here is religion and the power of it. I guess Lynne was originally for the school but she thought she would be going there with Jamie .. like in a shared room or something.
Lynne defied the powers that were, i.e., her ex-husband and the business manager. (Lou? Christian? oh my)
I meanwhile got my court documents but they really told me nothing.
November 6th, 2008 at 6:49 pm
Which is to say I learned smack.
November 6th, 2008 at 6:52 pm
small – the way I read that E article was that Johnny would have to talk to Jamie … that doesn’t make sense anymore. I can’t think of any reason Jamie would be in court.
Maybe it was just nice writing by E!
I am frustrated.
November 6th, 2008 at 7:02 pm
I am still ticked off too by the way that anyone would think it was a good idea to send a young girl like Jamie Lynn so far away from home, especially during her maternity. Are they f’in nuts?
small — sounds like a dumb question but how did Britney’s eyes look to you when she shaved her head?
To me she looked like she was winning and FREE. It was sort of an ultimate F. U.
I saw the quickie marriage in the same way — a sort of, “oh! I DO have control. I am in control.”
I hate her life right now. I’ve hated it from January — yick to have a parent have control.
This is just steam guys. You know I am not always nicey nice .. and for some reason, looking around for Lou’s last name .. I started to get mad when I read about Jamie Lynne and anyone’s wisdom to think YES, let’s send her far from home. She will come back “stronger in her faith and more equipped to cope with the challenges of teen motherhood.”
I am so YICKED out. Would you believe one of the “influencers” was Jamie’s interventionist and AA sponsor? I am reacting okay?
November 6th, 2008 at 7:14 pm
I’m calmer. I am sure the family has done a great deal of good … but how does one who was so controlled get away, then become controlled again this time by Sam, and now Jamie and Andrew Wallet?
I hope you guys don’t mind that I cut loose.
Maybe I thought by having certified court documents I could help. That’s the problem with this whole ding dang thing. Wanting to help. I know we are a support to Adnan and the whole crew of JFX.
I am vexed!
November 6th, 2008 at 7:56 pm
I have more thoughts AM. I will post later. WOW…in a good way. I agree with most of what you said. Be back later…to be continured.
November 6th, 2008 at 8:24 pm
Her father would at least understand Britney, and make everything the best for her. He have had some rocky road himself before. So I hope he not turned out to be hypocratic.
The girl work as a dog and giving many people job.
They could not change her for any other, and get the same outcome. Britney is special. thats the fact, and they should all treat her well.
(we can forget the parasite KF, he cant behave if he not get instructions form Kaplan and his co- workers. You have all noted that KF have get of the “bling” ? Like that would matter
)
November 6th, 2008 at 8:46 pm
small… I am not going to say anything like …okay alright! I was okay with the arrangement but what kind of #4039$$#12# ! think sending their daughter away to a reform school is a good idea?
That must have been a weird weird chapter for Lynne to write, i.e., how to tell the story without hurting anyone?
“Jamie Lynn already had her bags packed. She thought she had no choice. But in the end I made the decision to keep her at home, close to me and to all the people who loved her and knew her.”
snip
(in a room with all the “experts” aka influencers aka… you decide!)
“”I cannot do this,” I said. “This is not what she needs.” To say I was raked over the coals would be like saying Louisiana is a touch muggy in July. Jamie, especially, did not mince words, yelling and ranting and accusing me of being co-dependent, among other things. But those lions could roar all they wanted to–I would not budge. When Jamie Lynn got pregnant, a door had been slammed shut, and behind it was most of her childhood. I was still her mother, and it was up to me to protect whatever was left.”"
I read these words… I read in between… and I haven’t read the book cover to cover but I see that Lynne finally stood up.
On the other hand… I am queasy over Jamie’s control over Britney. Religion can be creepy but AA most especially, to me. I know both help many people. I am not above religion myself but “God” coming into it and sending your child away thinking she’ll come back … with more of her faith .. and better able to cope?
Who are we kidding? HORRIBLE. Johnny Wright you be damned. Sam a lifetime of insecurity since you seem to prey on others. Creeps! Howard Grossman has not answered yet. Puny man?
I can not remember releasing like this before on this board. p.s. yes I did cry that Brit got the MTV European awards. It’s like people who did her wrong in the past are finally doing her good.
November 6th, 2008 at 9:25 pm
small I would very much like to hear from you, when you’re up for it.
November 6th, 2008 at 9:31 pm
Great work steel.
Lou is a woman, AM.
Now you uys are starting to put the pieces together.
Hope the chess board is starting to look the way it looks on my table.
Lou?.. Man, she sure knows how to move pieces
November 6th, 2008 at 9:43 pm
And was was left, she sold. LOL!
Nice book, I hope to read it one day. So she’s hoping that Julia Roberts would play her role. julia’s got lots of class and we’ll leave it at that.
November 6th, 2008 at 10:51 pm
Just readin’ between the lines, MT, just readin’ between the lines.
And I can’t take all the credit. All of us…We’re in This Together.
November 6th, 2008 at 11:00 pm
AM, You’ve been working away, I see. I’m out for the night but will try to catch up tomorrow. Don’t go getting too far ahead of me!
November 6th, 2008 at 11:03 pm
Amapola Says:
November 6th, 2008 at 6:03 pm
I have learn from my father, and we was very agree that the outcomes of justice, visavi practice of law, is two totally different definitions.
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I couldn’t agree with you more.
November 6th, 2008 at 11:19 pm
Thank you Mark.
I think he did credit all of us Steel but gave us a clue.
Thanks Steel for including all of us. I can cook just not the best at baking but I can do that too. I just don’t enjoy baking as much as cooking.
November 6th, 2008 at 11:21 pm
MT, how would Lou have known what was going on at Brit’s house?
I don’t like anyone who would encourage the parents of a 16 yr old girl to send her away because she’s pregnant. I don’t like anyone who could bend Jamie’s ear that way … it’s m f ng crazy.
November 6th, 2008 at 11:21 pm
Two events. But you know.
November 6th, 2008 at 11:37 pm
Cooking is done. Guess it’s cognac or something and chess here on.
Steel I am not moving on without you. I dug up the dirt in Orlando. You dug up Lou.
I wish we trusted each other more.
November 7th, 2008 at 1:32 am
http://www.movieweb.com/news/NEC7GGHFPezGGG
1. I wonder what was so wrong with what Lou M. Taylor said in this intervju? In what way she show up that Lynne or Jamie is bad persons?
This part I don´t fully understand..
“Ms. Taylor::
No, they were not. No, they were not going to do a show.
There are many professionals and many resources that get vetted between this team of people that surround the Spears,
and Dr. Phil did broach that issue, and it was vetted amongst the team ,
but it was decided that that would be detrimental for anybody to ever do that.
And so we really felt like, to me personally, being part of this team, I felt that, too,
was inappropriate for him to even be self-serving in bringing something like that up. Because that would not be a vector to get Britney help.
(My comment: Dr Phil making a program about Britney…SCARY, very scary, OR does MT, Steel_ and others think that had been a good idea?)
More from the intervju:
“Ms. Taylor:: I think it’s been compromised, because it’s a measure of trust. I mean, here you have Britney, that needs to have some security somewhere, that every single thing she does and every single person she has a relationship with doesn’t become an opportunity to be exploited. I mean, when do you ever rest in that if you’re constantly in fear of being exploited?
And you know, I just felt for Jamie and Lynn, this was a time where, you know, they were taken advantage of,
that they are people who love their daughter, and that know exactly what’s going on and what that support.”
(My question: Who or whom she talking about here?)
”””””””””””””””””””””’
Wonder if this Lou M. Taylor still represent the Spears? (Have looked on the web, but could not find information about that)
And poor MT!
Almost have the same initials as (L)MT!
November 7th, 2008 at 3:01 am
OK AM, here are my thoughts.
How ridiculous that some people would think sending a pregnant teenager to a reform school would be a great idea! What the hell is this the 30’s, 40’s or 50’s. It used to be done out of embarrassment to hide the person. So stupid. To think Jamie was in agreement, well, I’m a bit speechless. The only thing I will say is it’s scary to think this man has all this control over Britney and that he could be getting advice from his interventionist/sponsor, etc.. I think this person lived with Jamie and Britney during the first few months she was released from the hospital. I’m thinking this person is the same person they were getting advice from all along, when they first sent her to rehab. When those events were occuring, I remember reading that Britney had begged her mom not to send her because she felt there was something wrong with her but that it wasn’t drugs. I always thought it was PPD. Maybe I’m stupid to think that. Maybe I’m just naive. Maybe it was both. I don’t know. Anyway, obviously Lynne didn’t listen to her and took her kids away and handed them over to Kevin. That same week, or after, she shaves her head. I was shocked about it. I felt horrible for her because I think she was calling out for help and she had to have felt no one was really there for her. Funny, I never thought she was “high” like some people were saying. Maybe it was her way of making people see HER. Take away the hair and only look at her.
This is all my version of what could have happened.
In the end, I’ll wait to see how Britney is AFTER the conservatorship ends. In the meantime, you can only wish they have her best interests at heart.
November 7th, 2008 at 3:02 am
Oops, I didn’t think I had typed that much. Sorry everyone.
A naive crazy person.
I think I sound like a crazy person!
November 7th, 2008 at 12:21 pm
Aha! I knew you had something to say.
Frankly small I am freaked out in a way I never was about Jamie, the church, and Lou.
Also there is something missing from that chapter in the book. Just a sense or what makes sense I don’t know.
I think you are right though that Britney was speaking but people believed what they wanted to believe. AA helps many people but it’s not for everyone.
I remember after Britney got out of rehab (or rather when I caught up with the story) … I mean she couldn’t say or do anything that some expert on TV wouldn’t declare as “in denial.” I am still mad about it.
Question is what to do today? Mark helps us understand the story … or his view or insight into the story. … but where does the knowledge go beyond us?
Maybe we will stumble on to something….
Steel. I don’t blame either one of us for being careful on the Net. I do sometimes worry about boring other people — but we are nicely buried over here on this thread for a little while so…
Anything you want me to look into? I’m booked this a.m. in about an hour for a few hours but would love to unearth more of the story … I’ll peek around more on Lou. Ama, that article was a good find.
small you do not sound crazy! It’s good to hear you talk.
November 7th, 2008 at 12:35 pm
The Queen on the other end in not an individual piece. It is the collective, The Master plan, The Control. It is the most powerful piece on their end because it is the idea and the driving force and the grip on the “Brand”.
Lou is a Rook.
November 7th, 2008 at 12:46 pm
November 7th, 2008 at 12:46 pm
ouch
November 7th, 2008 at 12:48 pm
I need more info on chess. I’ll just have to follow along
November 7th, 2008 at 12:51 pm
gi – we can talk offline. Think conceptual.
November 7th, 2008 at 12:52 pm
I’m thinking. Most of what you and others have found makes sense but for her family to do some of this is just unthinkable. Also for JL
November 7th, 2008 at 12:53 pm
Ama. Thanks for the link.
“”She said that the family felt Dr. Phil acted “self-serving” and that he “compromised” their relationship with Britney.”"
Translation? Thanks Dr. Phil. You further ISOLATED us from Britney. She doesn’t trust us at all.
November 7th, 2008 at 12:54 pm
Who is the other Rook?
November 7th, 2008 at 12:56 pm
gi — I would have thought the same thing except for reading that chapter on Jamie Lynn and sending her away. GROSS. That family listens to way too many other people.
AAers are very controlling. They would be a nightmare for someone like me. They would try to break my spirit.
November 7th, 2008 at 12:57 pm
I still have not read the whole book but I got the gist from interviews etc. that rather than listen to her gut, Lynne listened to other people.
November 7th, 2008 at 12:58 pm
Yes I have decided there are too many players in their lives. I’m not sure I would/could live like that.
AAers try to – it seems – to break spirits so they can control the ones that need to get away from the thing that controls them. oh that was way to confussing.
November 7th, 2008 at 1:02 pm
It’s Titanic. It’s The Last Emperor.
It’s The Police.
November 7th, 2008 at 1:13 pm
Dont buy into that Dr. Phil is the bad guy blah blah blah.
Someone was smart enough to let them know that selling out their daughter at a time like this would really look bad. Really bad…. At the same time, Dr. Phil was very eager because the “Brand” landed on his lap.
Dont think for one second that they wouldn’t sell them for a quick change. It is the personality and things have not changed much. All is the same no matter what has happened then and now.
November 7th, 2008 at 1:17 pm
I never thought he was the villain.
I’m not sure we even came close to identifying the Punyman or other rook or is it the king.
Not even sure about Lycia.
November 7th, 2008 at 1:20 pm
well until a week or so ago we had forgotten all about the paper being thrown into her car. Wonder how much other crap is out there that lets others tell her what to do.
November 7th, 2008 at 1:22 pm
I wish I played chess myself…
November 7th, 2008 at 1:24 pm
But I understand the “Brand.” And I think that’s enough.
November 7th, 2008 at 1:27 pm
yes me too
November 7th, 2008 at 1:44 pm
This one’s for small. I have to wonder how backward they are in Kentwood if Lynne believed that Jamie Lynn would not be able to go to her junior and senior prom? Or even back to a regular school?
November 7th, 2008 at 1:49 pm
And here is the quote small so there is no misinterpretation, “Several family members, plus professionals on Jamie Lynn’s management team, had come to the decision that best thing for her would be to send her to a Christian-based residential facility in Tennessee, a kind of rehab where teen girls who are struggling with various issues, including pregnancy, can go for ministry.”
ick
“At first, I agreed, based on the assumption that I would be going with heer and we would live together in some kind of dorm or something. I was still in shock over the news that my child was going to give birth, and I was badly rattled, fragile, uncertain; when things are not going well in my life, I tend to really question my own judgement. Add to this the fact that everyone else–including Jamie Lynn’s business manager, Jami’es interventionist and AA sponse, and Jamie himself–was saying, “This is absolutely what we need to do,” and I went along with it.”
(until she came to her senses that is)
November 7th, 2008 at 2:44 pm
AM – depends on the school she went to. Some here are really strict. If the girl is pregnant then she is kicked out period. They do not kick the boy out but they do the girl. It is to persuade the girls not to get pregnant and they do not want to kick the football stars out. Yes it is backward but the people allow it to go on.
November 7th, 2008 at 2:50 pm
I dont remember who it was that said Britney was commited to a world tour which is a huge step from where she was but cant or not able to take care of herself and must be kept under the conservatorship. Someone also said that it’s fine that Lynne Spears published her book about the experience. Britney writing her own story would be a blockbuster. Lets just hope that one day she gets that chance. It will be one hell of a read.
I dont listen to her music but I will purchase her new CD when it’s available. It’s the least I can do because I have become a fan of her journey. As a parent, we all share her fight. I guess that gives us an answer to why she’s doing what she’s doing and I dont think she would be doing it for anything or anyone else. A comeback is sweet sweet victory. Is it neccesary? I dont know. We’re on the outside looking in.
And on that note… This is business, big business and the show must go on.
November 7th, 2008 at 3:20 pm
I feel like she is a puppet and other people have the stings and she is dancing and singing as they move her stings.
November 7th, 2008 at 3:27 pm
I almost wore a hole in my copy of Blackout, so I’m sure I’ll love her new CD. I never purchased one before Blackout because I wasn’t a fan of “The Brand.” I hated the “innocent vixen” image and everything it stood for. But when it came to Blackout, she was on her own, acting out and doing everything she could to spite “The Machine.” And I loved it. So, I bought her album, just to support her. Who knew I’d love that darn CD so much.
This time around…I’ve got mixed emotions. If she’s making this album because she WANTS to make the album, great. If she’s doing it before she’s ready, I’m really not so sure.
November 7th, 2008 at 3:47 pm
I just like you Mark. May I say that?
If you go to BritneySpears.com there is an Amazon icon on the right for early purchase. Gigi and I have both pre-ordered. I saved twelve bucks. Twelve will be easier to explain than $20 when it comes to the spouse who already thinks I am nuts. I bought the CD because yes I want Mannequin, but I wanted to support Britney more.
In January I knew next to nothing about this girl but I could see myself in her shoes, especially when it came to a father. Do I share the experience?
A long time ago, I was up for being one of the first kids in the world to go without a full torso (hips to the back of my head) cast in preference to a modified brace. What a little pleaser I was… (not to my parents, on that decision, maybe to my doc but definitely for other children who had scoliosis like me). Or call it independence — a separation from my parents at last. One decision.
Through an error that defies logic, I was propped up in a chair the first evening in that modified brace…I endured as best I could .. when the nurses said the doctor hadn’t said anything about being moved or allowed to move. … They said they couldn’t get a hold of the doctor. I knew this was all wrong.
I was packed into that chair and fifteen years old.
One tolerates pain as best one can. One tries to be brave and a good girl but there is a moment when the body commands. Tremors.. tears…
I only remember these words when I got to talk to my mother on the phone, “They won’t let me move.” My mother got ahold of the doctor.
The next day, my dad came in and told me, “I’ve decided…” I’ve decided? I’ve? decided without even talking to me and my body was enclosed in plaster. I am sure he meant right by me but I didn’t hold back on my words back to him. F and hate were in play. It’s gross for a parent to have physical… say so like over a child’s mobility. A girl child. On the side of levity I didn’t seem my boobs for nine months.
I didn’t have a love/hate relationship with my father but I could love and hate him in moments. He had an unpredictable temper and could say cruel things — for him to have control over me in this way was …
When Jamie came into play it was like my own nightmare — including Lynne. I love my mother dearly but she is controlling and manipulative and perhaps like Britney’s mom… a quick fix woman rather than someone who listens to their daughter.
I have to hope for the best in Britney’s case but I wonder about Kaballah and Britney’s shoes — and that night she and Adnan got in the car and parked in front of the Summit for a few.
I am thoroughly grossed out at the idea of parents having control of a 26 yr old woman, her career, EVERYTHING. I will never conform to my parents and I think that marriage has helped me from my mother… that isn’t why I married the guy but being married is convenient at times. Safety.
I’ve been following Britney’s story with some of these personal experiences and wounds in mind but otherwise… I applaud.
November 7th, 2008 at 3:55 pm
Well, Brit sure looked happy to have a mic in her hand last night…Maybe I’ll slowly come around. LOL
November 7th, 2008 at 3:59 pm
Steel — why do you think Gimme More seems under wraps? I just don’t get it. It’s a great song great video and certainly make a point about K-Fed and others like him – even her own girlfriends.
As for dancing, singing, performing and exercise things are things that Britney loves, are part of her identity, self-worth and soul showings, versus keeping it all in.
As someone who has “posed” somewhere …her job to me is not like modeling but more like dressing up and feeling beautiful … and absolutely being in the moment. I wonder that it is the only relief she knows. She loves to work hard …she said herself she’s active.
They probably need the money worse than any of us may know but otherwise doing what she loves seems appropos. Finally she is number one again. There’s freedom in that. Let’s all buy the damn CD to help. I don’t know.
November 7th, 2008 at 4:08 pm
BH says she is headed home to kentwood. They also have some clear pics from last night.
November 7th, 2008 at 4:09 pm
oh home with the boys. If so good for her.
November 7th, 2008 at 4:09 pm
AM, Why do you say “Gimme More” is under wraps?
My only concern with all this is…a world tour is very gruelling. And appearing on stage can be awfully nerve wracking. If she’s already suffering from anxiety (or other?), it seems like a large burden to bear. And if she’s not…good. I’m happy.
I’d love to see her gain control of her own finances, life decisions, and custody of the boys, and wouldn’t want to see pressure from anyone (parents, management, records company, fans) throw that off track. But if it’s going to make her happier, and move things along…well I guess Circus is the next CD in my collection (though I’m still debating about that new AC/DC…hmmm…)
It all just seems like it’s too soon. But then again…I think this might be her last album in her contract with Jive. I have an inkling she might be moving on to another company, so the sooner Circus is out the sooner she can move on to new things.
November 7th, 2008 at 4:17 pm
I feel like the song, the work, the effort is played down, not at the forefront like POM.
I saw something the other day that felt like a criticism — from virgin to slut poll dancer — something like that. I don’t see that at all.
I think it was a great risk, very artistic and was def speaking to K-Fed and showing him.
It was a great slap.
November 7th, 2008 at 4:22 pm
Steel. Who says she suffers from anxiety? Entertaining is what she is built for.
I saw an interview the other day of Brit — it might have been 2006. She had something about wanting to tour but wanting her babies to be old enough to go with her.
November 7th, 2008 at 4:44 pm
“Gimme More”…The production values on the video are pretty low. I don’t think she paid much to have that video made. It doesn’t look like it’s shot on HD or film – and some of the visual F/X are pretty shoddy. And, it might have been released before the cut-off dates for some of this year’s awards shows.
Just a guess.
November 7th, 2008 at 4:46 pm
Anxiety…I don’t know. Just an uneducated guess based on what I’ve read, and from watching her on pap videos. She probably feels at home on stage…But the custody case must have been pretty stressful.
Maybe she’s fine now. I hope.
November 7th, 2008 at 5:10 pm
Steel, based on what you wrote, I feel good that you likely don’t know what anxiety feels like.
Good for you.
Anxiety is cold fear. She’s a professional.
When it comes down to it it’s being professional, showing up on time, knowing the steps. The commitment.
November 7th, 2008 at 5:16 pm
I saw the video of last night from “far away.”
wow
I’m humbled.
http://www.britneyspears.com/2008/11/britney-surprises-madonna-fans-at-dodger-stadium.php
November 7th, 2008 at 5:24 pm
Actually, I’ve suffered from anxiety and panic attacks in the past. Both my sister and my mother take medication for anxiety and panic attacks. Its genetic, I think.
Anxiety, for me, is not about fear. It’s about pressure. I experienced it during film school, when I had too many tight deadlines, and too much debt sunk into one film. Physically, it’s a racing heart, a pounding in the chest. It feels as if your head is full of cotton – as if it’s somehow not attached to your body. It’s a bad, bad feeling, that I wouldn’t wish on anyone. Some of my classmates dealt with the stress by smoking doobies. I got through it with reflexology, yoga and pitchers of Carlsberg. LOL
I noticed Brit seemed to experience anxiety or panic attacks outside of custody hearings. It could explain why she never seemed to make it in the door.
November 7th, 2008 at 5:31 pm
Barbara Streisand has been known to avoid the stage for years at a time because of anxiety. I don’t think it has much to do with professionalism or talent…
November 7th, 2008 at 5:53 pm
AM, I’m not a religious person either. I admire anyone who holds a deep faith, but I seize to admire it when that same faith/religion is used to control everything in life. One thing I’ve always hated about Lynne is when she would say things like “i could only hand it over to God” or “I prayed to God that he would make things better”. God, I don’t believe, is going to fix things, YOU have to do the work. Faith can guide you, but I don’t think it’s meant “to fix it”. Not sure if that makes sense.
I really hate young girls thinking that “getting pregnant” means you stop going to school or you have to get married. It doesn’t mean that at all. Your life has changed, but you can still be a successful person in life regardless. I went to high school in the 80’s, I remember a girl attending who was pregnant. She had to be a strong girl to do that. She had the baby and gave it up for adoption.
November 7th, 2008 at 6:02 pm
MARK TWAIN Says:
Dont buy into that Dr. Phil is the bad guy blah blah blah.
Someone was smart enough to let them know that selling out their daughter at a time like this would really look bad. Really bad…. At the same time, Dr. Phil was very eager because the “Brand” landed on his lap.
Dont think for one second that they wouldn’t sell them for a quick change. It is the personality and things have not changed much. All is the same no matter what has happened then and now.
—————————————–
Oh I never believed for a second that Dr Phil was the bad guy. Someone brought him into the equation. Hmmmm, I wonder who it was? It sure wasn’t Britney. It wasn’t until AFTER the media reaction to his proposed televised “intervention” was publicized that her family started to back off of the idea. They were in on it, but they needed to save face. I wasn’t fooled.
November 7th, 2008 at 6:05 pm
I’ve been buying her music since her Britney CD. I’ve bought the last 4. I’ve been a fan for awhile. I’m buying Circus.
Steel—I LOVE Blackout. My favorite song on there is Freakshow. That whole CD is nothing but fun. I think she is capable of doing something great when she is given the opportunity to think for herself. She knows what works for her.
November 7th, 2008 at 6:09 pm
small I am so glad you are speaking up. I’m really glad.
gigi did explain how it may be in the South, e.g. one really may get booted from school as an example… or something like that.
But I am VERY bothered now by religion. There is good faith and then there is no acceptance of individual responsibility — faith.
I worry about our girl in a way I hadn’t. Keep on with Kaballah (sp?) Britney. Just stay with it.
I know nothing or little of Kaballah but our girl needs independence … or some show of independent thinking, some area of freedom. Adnan.
I am not making sense but I think you get it? I am much more worried than I was in the past. Zealots? Yes. They scare me.
November 7th, 2008 at 6:16 pm
My favourites on Blackout are Radar, Get Naked (Got A Plan), and Break The Ice. All the Danja songs, I guess.
I liked that she was listed as Executive Producer on Blackout, and appeared to have very little assistance from her management or Jive in putting it together (though some of the songs WERE recorded back when she was still with K-Fed, I hear). There was none of the “innocent vixen” inside the artwork – it’s just plain “vixen.” And I’m cool with that.
I’ve always been a fan of Brit herself, just not a fan of “The Brand.” I wish I could manage her myself…I’d have her career going in a whole different direction.
The new CD…Has anyone else noticed who the producers are? Mainly Danja, Max Martin…all producers she worked with in the past. Is there any chance a lot of the songs are older songs that are being put on this album to fulfill a contract with Jive? The Maloofs have their own record label now, under Interscope…It makes me wonder if she’ll sign with them next.
November 7th, 2008 at 6:24 pm
Oops, I meant the last 3 CD’s. The fourth will be Circus.
Britney, In the Zone, Blackout, and now, in a month Circus. Those are the CDs I own.
AM–I get it about religion.
I guess we all have to take a “wait and see” attitude with all that is going on.
In the end I want Britney to be happy. I believe she loves to perform, but I also believe she has a deep love for her family. She has always said that in the past. I believe her. I just don’t want to see anyone take advantage of her and/or exploit her for their own gain.
November 7th, 2008 at 6:31 pm
Steel, I wonder when her association with Jive will end? I hate Jive. Back in the day, before the Cry Me a River video was released, Jive called her and asked for her permission to release the video. They never told her what the video was about, she said yes without ever taking a look at the video. I wonder if she had seen the video, or if she had been made aware of what the video was about, if she would have still said yes? I always felt they had the responsibility to tell her, but they chose not too. Justin and Britney were both signed to the label, but, to me, they were looking out for Justin. Maybe they started to sense things would be going downhill with Britney and they jumped ship or something. I remember reading this in Rolling Stone magazine.
So I wouldn’t mind if she jumped label. They don’t deserve her.
November 7th, 2008 at 6:32 pm
GIRLS. What is on the Liner? The one the presented in court on behalf of the plaintiff?
What does the insert say about Johnny, his connection, etc., that might show he has entitlement to what he is asking for?
thx
November 7th, 2008 at 6:33 pm
Steel … are you on to something? Zomba?
November 7th, 2008 at 6:39 pm
small & AM,
This ties in directly to what AM has been working on. If Johnny Wright managed Britney AND Justin, and capitalized on their break-up to boost Justin’s record sales, it could’ve been a defining moment in Brit’s relationship with both Wright and Jive.
(I also find it kind of funny that Wright also managed Justin AND Janet during the “nipplegate” incident, and left Janet to take the blame. Is it possible that Wright has masterminded two big pop culture “moments,” both having had a damaging effect on the female’s career, while boosting the popularity of the males? Geez…Men! LOL)
November 7th, 2008 at 6:39 pm
MH where are you?
November 7th, 2008 at 6:42 pm
I’m told that this is the last album in Brit’s contract with Jive. Maybe THAT’s why Circus is coming out so quickly – so she can release it and be done with them. And if some of the songs are left-overs from other albums, it could explain how they’ve managed to throw Circus together so fast after the C-Ship went into place.
November 7th, 2008 at 6:44 pm
Is it the liner notes for Blackout?
I didn’t think there were any.
I need to go check.
November 7th, 2008 at 6:45 pm
I’m cool with left-overs, especially if they’re off of Blackout. I can wait for the new Lady Gaga-penned tunes.
November 7th, 2008 at 6:56 pm
The liner notes on Blackout only include the songs, producers, etc.. There are no thank you’s.
November 7th, 2008 at 7:00 pm
Oh wait, I went back to look at which CD. It says the Britney albume. Now let me go check those liner notes.
November 7th, 2008 at 7:06 pm
Steel. I am sorry that you are not a stranger to anxiety.
For me it’s like twenty cups of coffee, feeling crazy and thinking that everyone can see it. I’ve only had one attack and that was bad. The sound, vibration, and power of jet airliner helped, once it was on and we were gearing for takeoff.
The bloody mary helped. Dang I miss Caesar’s.
Exercise helps and being true and authentic to myself, also helps. Also not holding myself in like a bungee cord helps.
I need to work out more because it’s been revisiting in mild form but why go through it. Exercise is key.
So .. based on our insights do you still think she has anxiety or just a little worry and stress to be perfect?
November 7th, 2008 at 7:08 pm
Holy crap! Steel.
November 7th, 2008 at 7:08 pm
“To Larry Rudolph and Johnny Wright—words cannot express how grateful I am to have the two of you on my side and heading up my team!! I love you both and Johnny, I can’t wait to babysit!”
Those are the liner notes.
November 7th, 2008 at 7:10 pm
Here’s the latest, that I can get as a civilian:
11/5/2008 ORDER GRANTING AGREED MTN FOR EXTENSION OF TIME FOR PLAINTIFFS’ RESPONSE TO DE FENDANTS’ MTN FOR LEAVE TO FILE AMENDED AFFIRMATIVE DEFENSES TO COMPLAINT & FOR LEAVE TO FILE A COUNTERCLAIM & 3RD PARTY COMPL.
November 7th, 2008 at 7:10 pm
This is all new too:
10/30/2008 PLTFS MOTION FOR COMMISSIONS & LETTERS ROGATORY TO ISSUE OUT OF STATE SUBPOENAS W/ATTACHED EXHIBITS
10/30/2008 ORDER APPOINTING COMMISSIONER IN LOS ANGELES COUNTY, CALIFORNIA
10/30/2008 ORDER APPOINTING COMMISSIONER IN NEW YORK COUNTY, NEW YORK
10/30/2008 LETTERS ROGATORY AND REQUEST THE 21ST JUDICIAL DIST COURT FOR THE PARISH OF ST HELENA LA TO ISSUE OUT OF STATE SUBP
November 7th, 2008 at 7:12 pm
small — we want something that looks like this …
in support of the plaintiff or to malign Britney’s character:
EXHIBITS IN SUPPORT OF R1 – VMA & TMZ ARTICLES
4/14/2008 P-A EXHIBITS IN SUPPORT OF P(B) – 3RD ORDER EXTENDING CONSERVATORSHIP
4/14/2008 P-A EXHIBITS IN SUPPORT OF C – PRESS ARTICLE
4/14/2008 P-A EXHIBITS IN SUPPORT OF P(A) – 3RD ORDER EXTENDING CONSERVATORSHIP
4/14/2008 P-A EXHIBITS IN SUPPORT OF R5 – LINER NOTES FROM BRITNEY ALBUM
4/14/2008 P-A EXHIBITS IN SUPPORT OF R4- LOVELYBRITNEY.COM ARTICLE AND TMZ COPY OF COMPLAINT RE PARKING LOT CRASH
November 7th, 2008 at 7:13 pm
I posted the references to Johnny Wright in the liner notes above. I’ll look more later. I’ve got to go at the moment.
November 7th, 2008 at 7:15 pm
Thanks small!!!
November 7th, 2008 at 7:17 pm
Steel, I don’t have time to check right now but it seems the defense was opposed to the orders issued most recently?
Who is in St. Helena? Why the need for a judge there (a commissioner is judge right?)?
Your theories are amazing.
November 7th, 2008 at 7:17 pm
But they were what I was suspecting … just couldn’t do it or get there without you.
November 7th, 2008 at 7:18 pm
Depression and anxiety seem to be more and more common nowadays. I think our lives are getting much too busy for our minds to handle. We’re meant to have leisure time and rest – but instead we’re always on the go, go, go.
If Brit experienced anxiety during the custody trial, I really wouldn’t blame her. To me, that would be…normal.
November 7th, 2008 at 7:24 pm
Anyone.
What are the themes to this story, the motifs?
We have, to me:
The Good Old Boys Club
Sexism
MONEY
Religion
CONTROL
circus — what is it about a circus?
Show of hands, do we like, trust and endorse Rudolph? He knows what it’s like to be different.
November 7th, 2008 at 7:25 pm
At least “he” is not a Christian as defined by believing in Jesus and so on etc. I think he is a Christian though right in being humane? Fallible? nice to others but tough now in business?
November 7th, 2008 at 7:27 pm
To me too Steel but imagine the psychotropic drugs on top of it.
And someone like Sam saying, “You don’t have to do this” or “You don’t have to be in court today.”
Argh!
November 7th, 2008 at 7:58 pm
So…MT has given us a big clue here. Now how do can we relate Wright back to Lou?
November 7th, 2008 at 7:59 pm
Oops, didn’t see the St. Helena post…Will think about that one.
November 7th, 2008 at 8:05 pm
Is a “parish” like a “township”? If so, Kentwood is just a stone’s throw to the east.
November 7th, 2008 at 8:07 pm
A quick guess is that Wright was trying to serve Brit or her parents with documents at their homes near Kentwood, LA.
November 7th, 2008 at 8:31 pm
In Louisiana parishes = counties.
Kentwood is not in St. Helena’s parish (county) that I know.
I haven’t begun to digest the last court actions (homework, chatting with gigi, thinking outside with a smoke etc. — hope you had a productive day).
November 7th, 2008 at 8:33 pm
Steel. I think this should have read this way but don’t know:
11/5/2008 ORDER GRANTING AGREED MTN FOR EXTENSION OF TIME FOR PLAINTIFFS’ RESPONSE TO DEFENDANT’s MTN FOR LEAVE TO FILE AMENDED AFFIRMATIVE DEFENSES TO COMPLAINT. (And for Plaintiff) LEAVE TO FILE A COUNTERCLAIM & 3RD PARTY COMPL.
Who the heck is Mastermynde in context to this — why drag in the Director of Operations .. someone who might have had a legal back ground… (based on very amateur sleuthing) Ileraine Wolfgramm.
November 7th, 2008 at 8:40 pm
Kentwood isn’t in St. Helena’s parish, but is on the border.
http://www.mapquest.com/maps?city=Kentwood&state=LA
November 7th, 2008 at 8:48 pm
Maybe they don’t have a U.S. District court in the parish where Kentwood is located.
I can’t say with certainty but I think there was some move to protect Britney from the Plaintiff getting things like her birth certificate, checking account — oh I sound like such an idiot.
And my attorney source did not respond to my request. I’m sure he looked at Britney Spears and … so what. I’ll ask my BROTHER who is a judge and ask him what the last motions meant.
November 7th, 2008 at 8:56 pm
Looks to me like they’re just being given more time to file their reactions to Wright’s latest claims.
November 7th, 2008 at 8:56 pm
ok Steel I hated to ask my brother who has much on his plate but the email has been sent. We need some help.
November 7th, 2008 at 8:56 pm
But that’s just a guess.
November 7th, 2008 at 8:58 pm
Yes but Wright filed for time too. You understood right how to access the information? I posted it one time, my source. It’s cool though as X is distracted and busy.
I’ll post again if you ask but otherwise, I’ll just post what I find here.
I am done with my school homework — yes! How’d your day go? Productive?
November 7th, 2008 at 8:59 pm
Mark? Success for me means freedom for her.
November 7th, 2008 at 9:16 pm
Here’s what I get out of it without my brother.
There is a motion to file an out of state subpoena… for whom, Britney? It’s coming out of a Louisiana U.S. District Court (no idea as to difference between 9th District Court and the 21st …) As I understand it the District Court has hearing, juries, trials etc and includes the big bucks versus lower courts.
The Defense meanwhile filed their own answers and rebuttal to the original Complaint.
Plaintiff doesn’t like them. Really doesn’t like them.
Rogatory I think was supposed to be Interrogatories or questions. So over my head here.
Plaintiff got time or leave to file a Third Party Complaint ala Mastermynde? Wolfgramm? And counterclaim.
head hurts now
November 7th, 2008 at 9:35 pm
AM
St. Helena was an island that they send Napoleon to live isolates on..
And thats also a song in a light opera (I think..)
November 7th, 2008 at 9:49 pm
I thought that was Elba, Ama.
What do you think about anything else you read about here today?
I hope my brother writes soon. This stuff is way beyond me.
November 7th, 2008 at 9:56 pm
Got one answer.
The 21st Judicial District serves Tangipahoa, Livingston and St. Helena parishes.
Kentwood is in Tangipahoa Parish.
November 7th, 2008 at 9:59 pm
“MARK TWAIN Says:
November 7th, 2008 at 1:13 pm
Dont buy into that Dr. Phil is the bad guy blah blah blah.
Someone was smart enough to let them know ..”
Who?
“Dont think for one second that they wouldn’t sell them for a quick change”
Who?
“It is the personality and things have not changed much..”
Whos?
*****************
“Amethyst Mine Says:
November 7th, 2008 at 1:49 pm
And here is the quote small so there is no misinterpretation, “Several family members, plus professionals on Jamie Lynn’s management team, had come to the decision that best thing for her would be to send her to a Christian-based residential facility in Tennessee, a kind of rehab where teen girls who are struggling with various issues, including pregnancy, can go for ministry.””
I´m not suprised. There is schools driven by some “nutcases” in our country too, but they will not be able to take away the knowledge frome the children. They cant have them “in prison” for the rest of their life. (We see it as child abuse)
About fathers… They are not sane when it come to their daughters..but luckly they get the sane back when they calm down.
Think it would be time for the AA person who helped Jamie to talk sense to him, to get sober dont mean to be holy!
All this comments from me, are in the case that all this told comments and briefs are true.
Tell you, most looks like Kevin Federline, or Sam Lutfi or any other mad power-hungry personz could put out (not in Lynnes book of course) many of the rumors.
Its like many who say they love and care fore Britney is only interesting in thePOWER over her and in different grades.
Gossip sites who before have direct info from her life, bad news value more highly!!! Sell more.
Fan clubs who gone over to stalking stadiums..
If Jamile Spears is so bad as MT and many will belive and say, then its only for the family court and other courts to say, “as you have recover mr Spears, from your sickness and troubles, so have your daugther, and now its time to end your work”
(But I hope she always stay friend with her family members, and that his father goes on working for her, if she trust him to do so)
BUT !
I dont belive Jamie is so crazy or bad.
And I believe Britney as his daughter, give him the healthy argument and resistent he need. She is also VERY strong.
But she seems to be afraid of man in power!
(Maybe dad Spears should think back in time, if he under some years have been to hard/strong and also not so sober? Could scare a litte/young girl to never forget such things)
We all have something who scares us to act like unsecure kids.. At least we are afraid to act like that infront of others
(I have some of this things, and I carefully look after that I never come in “this” situations)
There is one person who I really want to get a hard time, and thats mr Federline.
The the root of all evil, the one who destroyed and calculate how to manage to get out of the marriged with millions, BEFORE it even started! Two kids more, did not get in his way to bring out his calculated atrociousness for the money!
He broke Britney down.
She trusted him.
She was brave.
And he almost killed here spirit.
I hope he feel his own “karma”, as its says this days.
November 7th, 2008 at 10:03 pm
AM
Napoleon Bonaparte spend his last days 1815 – 1821 on that island.
Wikipedia
November 7th, 2008 at 10:09 pm
Amapola Says:
November 7th, 2008 at 9:59 pm
Fan clubs who gone over to stalking stadiums..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
…LOL!
November 7th, 2008 at 10:29 pm
My, that’s an odd way to refer to Jamie…
Spears, Jamie
Celebrity Chef and Personality
Spears, Jamie Lynn
Actress
Spears, Lynne
Author
November 7th, 2008 at 10:30 pm
Business Management
Tax and Accounting Services
Financial and Estate Planning
Marketing and Endorsements
Artist Management
…the world of Lou.
November 7th, 2008 at 10:31 pm
I think based on his stomach Ama Kevin is feeling his own karma? Things we are not privy to?
In the past I was more supportive of Jamie. Knowing about Lou Taylor and the manner in which these parents look to her or others… creeps me out. The religion creeps me out. AA creeps me out but I like your thinking in that regard.
I think Jamie was a jackass for what he told OK magazine if he really told them that all daughters are manipulative: what a fool.
I play chess. Time to drag out the board to my own table. I will admire the knight most of all and would hope for two of them to be in play. I find it is the most interesting fascinating way to win a game.
I admire anyone who can play two horses to win.
I’m not trying to be encrypt. You play or you don’t. I think you would enjoy this game Ama. Find a coffee shop and learn? Knights are fascinating. If you are masterful enough the other side never sees you coming or can’t escape or can’t process.
Lou has played her knights well.
November 7th, 2008 at 10:31 pm
Bishops are for pussies.
Mark?
November 7th, 2008 at 10:52 pm
AM
But do Lou M Taylor (and her staff) still working for the Spears family???
Dont you think that is VERY important to know?
November 7th, 2008 at 10:53 pm
As far as I know Lou M Taylor or the World of Lou (thanks Steel) ARE – but she is NOT Britney’s manager — Larry Rudolph is.
So Lou handles money and packaging?
November 7th, 2008 at 11:00 pm
http://tristarse.com/
November 7th, 2008 at 11:02 pm
AM
I personally like AA. I have not been in need for help from them, but I like the way they “work” with people in need, and the “pray” is very fine. And wise.
November 7th, 2008 at 11:05 pm
MARK TWAIN Says:
November 7th, 2008 at 12:35 pm
Lou is a Rook.
WIKIPEDIA Says:
Rooks are most powerful towards the end of a game, where they can move unobstructed by pawns and control large numbers of squares…
A rook is a very powerful piece to deliver a checkmate.
November 7th, 2008 at 11:08 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
November 7th, 2008 at 10:53 pm
As far as I know Lou M Taylor or the World of Lou (thanks Steel) ARE – but she is NOT Britney’s manager — Larry Rudolph is.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Britney is now under C-Ship and has no legal say over her own affairs.
Britney Spears = Jamie Spears, Celebrity Chef and Personality + Lou M. Taylor
November 7th, 2008 at 11:10 pm
What does this mean?
“As far as I know Lou M Taylor or the World of Lou (thanks Steel) ARE” (???????)
- but she is NOT Britney’s manager — Larry Rudolph is”
I did not ask for that, I have never read her saying she is. She was spokesperson or something for the family. Back then. But how about now?
“So Lou handles money and packaging?”
Whos money?
And I do not ever belive that LMT are managing the package of Britney Spears. O NO!!!!!
LMT have never done that, I dont belive that! Mayby she is friend and so with Lynne and dr Phils wife and so on, but no more power.
November 7th, 2008 at 11:13 pm
Steel_
Jamie Spears can’t have a country wench as his cooperator looking after for the best for Britney!
November 7th, 2008 at 11:18 pm
Country wench? LOL ohmy I’m taking a quick break. Ama you crack me up.
November 7th, 2008 at 11:22 pm
I got a good laugh out of that, too!
According to Lou’s Web site, Lynne, Jamie Lynne and Jamie Spears are all currently clients.
November 7th, 2008 at 11:24 pm
Sorry, “current and former clients.”
However, Lynne’s book refers to Lou as “Jamie’s business manager” (or so I’m told).
November 7th, 2008 at 11:34 pm
Probably they don’t want to take their names from her site, old neighbors (?) and friends (?)
You also know how it its in the countryside..
People start talking and everyone take side and then the stone start rolling and it all get in a mess.
I mean, what could she possibly do, this LMT? Looking for suitable houses in the Kenwood area? Having a work going on for Lynne in the future? No more, I think. But one have to be on good fot with old neighbors.
This site..Have that been updated?
The site I found was OLD OLD OLD, and said almost nothing. She, LMT, hade 18 persons in her staff, but what they was doing was very floating, I did not understand the need of this company.
Did any of you?
November 7th, 2008 at 11:40 pm
Maybe it was 8 persons? Anyway, I did not understand what they was doing..
My mind was going on “they collect money and sponsors for some sport club” or, ” they working with people..but in what way”?? Mystery.
November 7th, 2008 at 11:45 pm
Ama. Isn’t Wright Entertainment and this Mastermynde similar?
Meanwhile. Britney Touring Inc. c/o Corporation Service Company (Registered Agent)
1201 Hay Street
Tallahassee, FL 32301
This address is one of the three addresses where copies of the court documents I got were sent. The others were to Clay Townsend, Morgan and Morgan, and to Britney at the Summit.
The judge is Renee A. Roche. I know Johnny has had dealings with her before — I think back to Lou Pearlman?
Neither here nor there, just I have these documents and … what do I do with them? I’ve given you what I had.
November 7th, 2008 at 11:50 pm
This part is interesting…
ARTIST MANAGEMENT
In today’s entertainment industry it’s important to have someone that walks alongside an artist advising and promoting their talents and interests. Tri Star takes a leadership role with an artist by helping them sort through the factors that will enhance their life, career and business opportunities. The Tri Star team does this by working with the artist, their label representatives to shape and direct various:
Branding Strategies
Cross-Serving Market Strategies
Promotions
Tours
Special Appearances
Media Training
November 8th, 2008 at 12:00 am
“Amethyst Mine Says:
November 7th, 2008 at 11:45 pm Ama. Isn’t Wright Entertainment and this Mastermynde similar?”
???Are LMT having a company togheter with J Wright or what do you mean?
If a lawyer/court send out papers, they send to every adress they think can be good.
If Britneys parent was the one who write under the contract from the start almost 10 years back, (they mayby take help from this LMT, she maybe have a computer?) then LMT for sure write her adress/company as “I´m the one to talk to”
Because as I have read, Lynne and Jamie had a workout place or gym, back then. T
hey also was new in the “big air”, but I cant belive that at least Jamie need LMT anymore.
With women, what to say?
Lynne was a good friend with dr Phils wife, and such things are scary and dangerious.. You know, the need of bla bla bla bla… Maybe LMT also is good to to have a bla bla bla with too?
November 8th, 2008 at 12:01 am
It can be a good for tax “things ” too
November 8th, 2008 at 12:08 am
Steel_
I think I have seen Tri Star..just before a movie start.. Must look at the web.
Oh please, dont say its a hmmm a religous biased input on this company.. Maybe belive earth was done and ready on 7 days?
In that case, run Britney, run!
Now going out on the web.
November 8th, 2008 at 12:23 am
“Pop Culture & Power
Work, Life Balances/Life Transitions
Sex & The Christian Marriage
I Am Loved Part I & Part II
Strong Women = Submissive Women
Anger Management
“I Only Have One Head, Why So Many Hats?”
Organization
What To Do When You Don’t Know What To Do
Be A Woman Of Your Word
Blessed Are Those Who Give…
Pleasing God, Not Pleasing Man
Content With Circumstances
Living In The Storm
Walking In the Garden with Jesus, Even If You Can’t Grow a Chia Pet!
Old Fashion Christmas
Owning God’s Word In Your Heart
Harvest of Joy
Chaos in the World, Peace in my Heart.
Addiction – Dining in Hell
Reputation & The Well
Proverbs 31 Women Rock
QUOTES & REFERENCES
Quotes & References
Lou Taylor and I wear so many hats but most of all in our 7 years together she is a wonderful friend. Someone I have always trusted with my family, feelings and dreams.
(!!!!!!!!! bla bla bla)
She always understood me, accepted my attitudes, ideas and emotions. I know there are many managers who can’t say they have held their clients hand when they we’re scared. She is always honest with you and the support she gives is way beyond the glory. (!) She has bent over many times to help me pick up pieces. Lou is a beautiful gift to me!!
Niki Taylor (family????)
Supermodel and Entrepreneur
* * * * *
“I have known Lou Taylor for many years,… A committed Christian who knows how to get the job done.”
Dusty Rhodes
Senior Vice President – WAY-FM Media Group, Inc.
Is she a lawyer? In that case she have not done so good work for Britney!
November 8th, 2008 at 1:17 am
OK
I dont know if I, for myself, would feel like having this mom and dads friend working on my future.
I mean, Britney shall be good, very good friend with her mom and dad , but they should live her privacy to herself. And that as soon as she say “thats enough, thank you”.
Britney is a mother of two and a women now!
So mom and dad shall have their own life and home.
If they work, they work, but after that, its privacy.
November 8th, 2008 at 1:28 am
Hey Ama, that is worth looking into. I do believe Lou is Christian based. Like deep.
p.s. We don’t do that to young women in more civilized parts of the United States, e.g., in more urban areas or to the north.
That is a practice that has passed — this ostracizing and hiding our young pregnant girls, and punishing them.
I am disgusted by the idea of sending Jamie Lynn away from home. I am disgusted as modern woman, citizen.. older woman… all of it. We just do not do that here anymore.
Or I guess we do, in Kentwood, Louisiana. Good night all.
Deee-gusted. Run Britney run!
November 8th, 2008 at 2:37 am
“Kill The Lights” has leaked…
It sounds like an army marching. So good!
November 8th, 2008 at 2:19 pm
I’ll check it out.
Do you think her visit to Kentwood at this time has anything to do with the out of state subpoenas and interrogatories?
Here’s info on the process if interested: Interrogatories are formal sets of written questions that are asked by one party in a legal case during the discovery process of the case. Discovery is the formal investigation that takes place before a case goes to trial. Discovery is governed by court rules and can involve interrogatories (written statements); depositions (oral statements); and requests for admissions (document requests).
Interrogatories are used before a trial to clarify matters of evidence and determine what facts will be presented in a subsequent trial. Interrogatories are commonly used in civil cases, but may also be used in criminal cases under certain circumstances. There are a number of different situations where interrogatories are used.
Interrogatories must be answered by the party they are served to within a specific period of time set forth by applicable legal statues. The questions in interrogatories must be answered under oath or under penalty of perjury. Interrogatories are usually prepared by attorneys and then completed by the answering party with the help of their own attorney who can protect their rights and interests.
November 8th, 2008 at 2:23 pm
lol I think we are doing okay in understanding the basics of what is happening in the case.
It still fries my brain.
November 8th, 2008 at 3:03 pm
http://photos.tmz.com/galleries/britney_in_louisiana
These pics speak a thousand words.
Babes in shades, too cute.
November 8th, 2008 at 3:28 pm
I love them MH thank you!
November 8th, 2008 at 4:10 pm
Awe, even the pilot has a big grin on his face! Everyone looks very happy to see each other. Those photos DO speak a thousand words.
Thanks, MH.
November 8th, 2008 at 10:55 pm
They played her song for the first time in Phoenix since I have listened. Three years.
They played Gimme. 7:20 tonight.
November 9th, 2008 at 3:22 am
You guys are awesome.
Ohh, and Larry Rudolf is a nice show piece a very pretty pawn.
Bishops are pussies? Well now atleast we know where the lawyers fall in place.
This weeks ‘Glossy’
Spread after spread.
Two ’shutters’ in bed.
‘One’ makes the call.
The other runs from ‘Alcohol’.
The ‘Possum Queen’ quietly sit.
watching the ‘Pig’ swim in the mud pit.
Branding Strategies
Cross-Serving Market Strategies
Promotions
Tours
Special Appearances
Media Training
Lets just ad
‘Conservatorship’
‘Tool’
November 9th, 2008 at 11:27 am
There is something strange in your argumentation MT.
It seems like you forget Kevin Federline!!!!!!
Was he also a working tool send out from the possum queen, or how do you fit in this ugly catastrophe person, Kevin Federline, and time, in your “I know Britneys parent are evil persons” map?
I understand that you hate the conservation ship as much as Sam Lutfi does, thats why your intention must be unbaffled. It must.
Dont you think that Britney under this time (2008)
have needed this help to get back to life? Or have everything gone alright, in your mind, if Sam Lutfi still have had been her “manager”?
Do you mean that Britney is a victim of a scam, going on for many years, constructed and with approved from her parents?
With a approval from her brother and sister too?
Do you and Sam Lutfi have the same goal?
Do you belive that Britney Spears never will be free from her parents right of determination?
I do not belive her parents are so evil as you do.
I think the media, and small minded people have a huge role and are very much to blame for what take the force from Britney last years.
And I do believe they don’t take the responsibility for doing what they have done.
As Kevin Federline dont take his responsibelity.
As Sam Lutfi dont thake his responsiblility.
As the media dont take its responsibility.
As all who played friend to Britney Spears dont take their responsibility.
The only one who have take the responsibility for what wrong she may have done, is Britney Spears.
She work hard, she love and live for her sons, everyone with heart and mind understand that.
I dont belive all whats happend the past years is a scam done an construeted from Britneys parents with co-workers.
I have named other persons who are more guilty to her collapse in january this year.
What you say about this persons?
Kevin Federline?
Sam Lutfi?
November 9th, 2008 at 2:14 pm
MT.
On my board, the king was castled long ago.
Glad we agree on bishops.
Ama, Mark has his own perspective, insight, and inside information.
I personally do not think Lynne and Jamie are evil. I do think they are weaker people who “trust in God” and who defer to other people. They probably have believed more in Kevin (and other sources) than they have in their daughter. I’ve seen it before (in other people.) It’s a possibility (probability? proven?) I can no longer ignore.
I think they defer to the expertise of others. I don’t know that Britney should have ever been sent to Promises.
I believe in there is a message in a bottle.
November 9th, 2008 at 2:16 pm
p.s. K-Fed = pond.
Lutfi is no knight. He’s a piece on the heap. He could come back into play but he sure isn’t the first piece that I would play should I get a pond across the board.
November 9th, 2008 at 2:19 pm
corrections
I believe there is a message in a bottle.
..and Lutfi isn’t the first piece I would play if I was trying to get a pond across the board.
November 9th, 2008 at 3:12 pm
The only VERY strange person around Britney this last troubled days was Chad Hardcastle.
He was not so keen on talk infront of the media.
We have, you and I AM, heard him talk on a video, remember?
And he talked with Ryan Seacreast
“Chad Hardcastle is a new member of Britney’s entourage. Rumors say he’s a pastor’s son from Florida.
During a call with Ryan Seacrest earlier today, Sam Lutfi handed the phone over to Hardcastle. Having been by Spears’ side during her wild evening last night, Chad was asked the impetus for their after-hours shopping trip to the Kitson boutique in West Hollywood.
“Boredom,” said Hardcastle.
And where does he fit into the unstable universe of Britney and company? “I’m still trying to figure it out myself, man. I don’t really know.”
Well, okay Chad. Thank for playing!”
What a strange person!
I have looked after “his” church in Florida, or father or something. …
Life! Church, in Florida, was the nearest I come. To much info for me in english.
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I just wonder what MT has as fuel, as he point out this persons
1. Jamie Spears,
2. Lynne Spears (but she was not so important, or was she?)
3. Lou M Taylor.
4. Larry Rudolph
(All this person was in some way involved in Crossroads, by the way)
Was it something who happend to/against MT under that time? One wonder.
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This I found about Lou M Taylor, and its fresh:
Our Particpants
Lou Taylor
Age: 41
Occupation: President of business management firm Tri Star Sports and Entertainment Group
Family: Husband, Rob, pastor of Calvary Chapel in Brentwood, Tennessee
http://www.christianitytoday.com/tcw/2007/marapr/7.36.html?start=2
November 9th, 2008 at 3:17 pm
“But Britney was drawn to Kevin’s stability adn his wholehearted acceptance of her. She wanted to feel grounded, and he gave her that feeling of security she craved.
There is not a mean bone in Kevin’s body, and he really is such a good daddy. I’ve often thought that if the Lord got hold of Kevin, he could do great things with him.”
Lynne Spears 2008
So K-Fed was not a member of the Calvary Chapel in Brentwood, Tennessee …. Is that where they were planning to send Jamie Lynne? Why did Lynne think she was going with her to Tennessee? Why would she continue to trust Lou M Taylor?
November 9th, 2008 at 3:32 pm
But Lynne admits to it and it’s clear that she was outnumbered a number of times…
In context to her decision re Jamie Lynn,
“Standing my ground was not easy. I’d been so passive in so many ways for so long, letting managers and agents and executives decide the paths my children would walk. Not any longer. Not while I was still their mother.
That resolution would be put to the sorest test with Britney.”
November 9th, 2008 at 3:33 pm
Ama – let me catch up. Wow what a memory you have.
November 9th, 2008 at 3:59 pm
AM
I dont think MT care about this church and belive “matters”
The big issue is the MONEY.
Someone/somebodys is/are very angry on Jamie/Lynne/Lou//Larry and maybe more people, a long time now.
This persons are in the way of getting control of Britneys money.
Its always about the money.
For me, the most important is:
for Britney to get a quality of life where she feel joy and get real friends.
Choices made by herself, to suit her and her sons.
As little money drifting away to thieves (don’t care if they have suits or dressings) stolen from her.
The reality is, that when you have a lot of money, you have to expect to be stolen from.
But there are limits!!!
When people never are content, always belive they need more money, they will ALWAYS feel poor, and they will be thieves, even if they don’t need the money…
Thats the sad thing with never get content..
November 9th, 2008 at 4:04 pm
correction:
“Someone/somebodys is/are very angry on Jamie/Lynne/Lou//Larry and maybe more people, a long time now.
This persons, who was recited (dad, mom and so on) are in the way, for others, who want to get control of Britneys money.
Its always about the money.
November 9th, 2008 at 4:19 pm
Kevin can never have give any feeling of stability!
I remeber she talked about him, when they was married, (I have read that looong intervju somewhere..)
..she talked about Kevin as his was a little cute boy. He was “kind” and harmless, she was not afraid of him. so I belive.
But then she soon learned that he was not so kind at all.
Sadly he seam to still have fooled Lynne.
But she was not married to him, so Lynne don’t know what Britney have gone through.
What was missing on the Wmomanizer ..
“You sing, I´m the man”
Big mouth this Federline have.
(I take care of the rest, don’t you worry..(?)
“I did not know I have to be the man”,
Think that was the words Britney said that “day of with the umbrella”
November 9th, 2008 at 4:22 pm
correction:
Sadly he seem to have fooled Lynne.
November 9th, 2008 at 4:43 pm
Ama, I think she best said it in her apology not to X17.
November 9th, 2008 at 4:47 pm
Amapola
It’s time to remove the father as a conservator and be placed as an adviser if he really fits the bill. A new conservator and co-conservator needs to placed. A balance so her basic rights are not violated by the very people who may now have total control of her. That duty falls in the hands of her court appointed attorney. Only problem with that is how many have fallen in the band wagon to keep her in place so everyone can keep their position. The Judge must be on top of this at all times and should receive reports on a daily basis. My biggest question has to be if Britney’s voice been heard. Are her questions being answered correctly. When will she have her day where she can ask the Judge directly with questions she may have that someone else might have distorted the truth to keep her from understanding her basic constitutional rights under her current situation. At the position she is in under a prison like invirorment who does she really trust. Every move she makes is watched. Her closest people around her would be her assistant who are basically spies for the dad. Can you really say that at this point, Britney trust anyone in her own camp. Britney cant even use a computer. Cant watch the news. Anyone ever wondered is she even wanted to vote?
My 30 months old gets computer time as long as he does not post here, LOL.
Forget Sam Lutfi he’s not even on the chess board. If he is then AM is correct about his piece role. Kevin Federline is a pawn with a slight shine as he holds the key to the start of the game. Remember that he had custody of the children. He’s not a major player because his character in the game can be purchased at the right price. The man has not changed, Britney’s biggest mistake with this idiot is that she was looking for love in the wrong place. Nothing has changed in the eyes of Kevin. She is the gravy train. As far as his duty as being a father to his children. well he would really be a bastard if he did not give one cent about them. after all, they are his genes. What he uses them for is another is the question.
Most fans worry about her comeback and voice their opinion on what she should do. The people that runs the brand uses that as fuel. Adnan has become the boogyman as the fallguy of her comeback with her career. I really wonder what she want? most fans are not worried about what she wants and thats the shameful part.
I’m just like AM, Amapola. I understand what you say about my constant finger pointing towards the father and the mother. If you have any questions you need to go way back and get that history on your own. It’s hard going back and forth because everytime you get a piece it mushrooms into something else that.
This weeks glossy, you will see a set up photo op. Then you might see a second set to make it a pap job.
Jamie Lynne spears photo op was done by Lynne Spears people. The pap style job was done by Jamie Spears people. Why is that? To maybe make twice as much money. But wouldnt 2 sets of image compete with one another. Maybe, maybe not. but why two. Is it because it because it needs to pay 2 separate groups. Or is this the case of having 2 hands in the cookie jar. Who’s hands? go figure it out. Yes it might be great having these photo ops for PR work but at the same time theirs big money being made. With the set of Jamie Lynne Spears with professional photogs, who made or brokered that deal. With the paparazzi style photos of jamie Lynn Spears, who brokered that deal with the magazines as well. Who’s making money for who. Might there be a violation by the conservatorship if britney is not receiving any of this money selling her out. And if someone is making money then who is it?
To make things short. Are people violating their duties. Is Britney’s basic rights being violated under the cloud of the conservatorship.
This is my 2 cents. It may be nothing, it maybe something.
Only truth I’ve seen so far is that Britney is one strong individual. She’s a fighter. A very smart fighter. Or maybe Jamie Spears is right about daugthers being manipulative.
I’m really interested in reading Lynne Spears book but I’m not spending a penny on her. I just want to read her gloat.
November 9th, 2008 at 4:50 pm
Just putting up a few things in random order.
About Justin:
“Early in their relationship, for example, she and Justin had been having heartfelt conversations about he meaning of life, as all you adults do.”
snip
“Looking back, that about the time Britney started questioning her Christian faith. I do believe she will come back ot her faith roots someday soon, but this was really where she took a left turn on her spiritual journey.”
I am trying to find the first mention of Lou and to verify she was Jamie’s interventionist (I just want to see it in writing — I want to know how much influence Lou has over Jamie — between AA and the Bible — I’d say she has influence and control. I mean, she almost succeeded in getting Jamie Lynn shipped off, out and away from her mother’s influence and control and far away from her parents).
Lou is scary in the dimensions she may apply herself. Conservatorship. Tool.
November 9th, 2008 at 4:54 pm
Imagine that Lou is Jamie’s spiritual guide not just his AA sponsor (is she?), business manager, and spokesperson for the family. We need to add ’spokesperson’ to the list.
November 9th, 2008 at 4:57 pm
Amapola Says:
November 9th, 2008 at 11:27 am
There is something strange in your argumentation MT. It seems like you forget Kevin Federline!!!!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
K-Fed = Sean P & JJ
How did her parents, Larry, K-Fed get her into Promises? By threatening to not let her see the boys.
Why does Britney remain under the C-Ship? Because without it, she can’t see her boys.
MT’s probably right…K-Fed can be bought. But the boys, to me, are being used as tools to make her comply with their demands.
November 9th, 2008 at 5:00 pm
MARK TWAIN Says:
November 9th, 2008 at 4:47 pm
I’m really interested in reading Lynne Spears book but I’m not spending a penny on her. I just want to read her gloat.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I see this book as nothing more than an extended press release.
November 9th, 2008 at 5:05 pm
…Just like I see her statements for the restraining order against Lutfi as an extended press release.
Not to defend Lutfi, but he’s never had a chance to defend himself against Lynne’s allegations. Everything she said in that declaration has been taken at face value. But why?
There are three sides to every story. In this case, it’s Lynne’s side, Lutfi’s side, and the truth – which probably falls halfway in between.
I know THAT’s not going to be a popular statement on this board, but it’s just the way I see it.
November 9th, 2008 at 5:18 pm
I need to catch up again. mw, I am in the Promises section.
My thought is, “These people are crazy.”
It goes from “Clearly, something inside had broken and needed to be healed. We–Jamie and I, Larry, and other members of her team–felt she need to check in somewhere and just chill. She was hurting so badly–that was obvious — and she needed to stop running from the pain and address it.”
Um sure – let’s pow wow here. My first thought is REHAB. That will heal what’s broken inside.
I feel she was punished for shaving her head rather than being listened to… but yeh, right, rehab, that’ll fix her.
“I wanted her to go to Promises, but Britney didn’t want to, and she was living at me for trying to ‘force’ her to.”
I’m going for a smoke and taking Mark’s note avec moi.
November 9th, 2008 at 5:45 pm
Thanks Mark. I enjoyed spending time with you and appreciated your thoughtful remarks.
Sometimes I think that Larry looking pretty is …well I think he is on Britney’s side and I think he is calling the shots within the industry.
I think they both only ’seemed’ surprised at the VMAs. I have hope for Larry. I believe he is Jewish? (not that his religion plays a part but he can’t be bought, influenced or commandeered as some others). Besides I like Jewish people and I find they are more intuitive (intuitive and artistic) and enjoyable than others.
Clampetts was accurate Mark.
aw, Mark, without being overt I wonder that you might see the chess board in front of me. You must at least see the possibility and hope of Larry’s character, interests, history (friendship?) with Britney, background, and that he’s under the radar. Read between the lines and consider. To me he is the ace up her sleeve.
November 9th, 2008 at 5:45 pm
maybe – he’s the only candidate
November 9th, 2008 at 5:52 pm
Ama — I meant that Britney put it best in her note to X17. Not “not.”
November 9th, 2008 at 5:57 pm
Steel au contraire Lutfi talked to the media. Alot. One wonders what the Spears’ team has on him to keep him clamped from talking to USWeekly anymore.
Also if you saw the last clip captured by TMZ, he gave his side.
He also talks out through Alli and he IS behind sex tape talk. Anyone have the clip for Steel to see?
November 9th, 2008 at 5:58 pm
oops. only au contraire was supposed be in italics.
Distant thunder here in Arizona — the sky has darkened. Suits my mood and contemplation.
November 9th, 2008 at 6:05 pm
No one here needs to buy the book.
I’ll try not to stall the flow of conversation but post now and then anything interesting.
“She got out of rehab after a month, and I could see right away that it hadn’t provided the healing Britney needed in her life. All it did was slow her down a little bit, and her anger at me had not cooled. In fact, she refused to speak to me, and our estrangement would last an excruciating seven months.”
“Everything I had prayed for–her healing, her stability, a true reconciliation between a mother and a daughter who had always been kindred spirits–had not come to pass.”
Yep rehab – that would have been my thought Lynne. I am a little pissed off right now so please forgive me but Lynne is the one who needs and deserves strong counseling. Instead she has her four Clampett friends who are just like her.
She needed her friend Kelly to tell her that none of them would send off their daughter? I understand Lynne was outnumbered by all those experts like Lou, the AA sponsor, business manager, passage to God.
November 9th, 2008 at 6:20 pm
Which is to try to be compassionate toward Lynne and to try to understand, that she was outnumbered and needed a friend to give her strength enough to defy them. It seems somewhat obvious that she had custody of the kids but it’s not written into the book… For whatever reason they could not send away Jamie Lynne without Lynne’s approval and no doubt signature.
November 9th, 2008 at 6:45 pm
“Amethyst Mine Says:
November 9th, 2008 at 5:18 pm
…
……
I feel she was punished for shaving her head rather than being listened to… but yeh, right, rehab, that’ll fix her. ”
Yes AM, thats right. She was punished! She was punished! She was punished!
And the family was not the only ones who punished her.
gossip site *faugh* )
The smal minded people around the world,
The gossip papers,
The paparazzi
The religious communions,
All “holy” mothers reading the gossip sites, Particaily a hypocratic gay, who have a sucessfull
All those who was in need for a scapegoat, and all those who loaded up their money account those days.
And they was not willing letting those days ended!
There is a lot of mendacity going on in the media.
Lynne sound not like the rock I would lean against. Lynne is to “dopey” in my eyes.
But, she is still Britneys mother.
And in my next comment to MT you will see what I think.
November 9th, 2008 at 7:03 pm
I’m waiting I’m waiting!
No Lynne is not a rock. She might be with outside counseling.
I wonder that she didn’t send Jamie Lynn to Tennessee as she knew she’d lose her grip and control to Lou Taylor and their church.
November 9th, 2008 at 7:30 pm
Ama,
“…all those who loaded up their money account those days.
And they was not willing letting those days ended!”
This is what Mark was saying about the current group.
November 9th, 2008 at 7:33 pm
For Steel who thinks Sam doesn’t get to tell his side:
http://www.tmz.com/2008/10/06/sam-lutfi-a-restraining-order-later/
November 9th, 2008 at 8:06 pm
MT
This is how I think, and see the roulse of existensce.. (in this case Britneys)
First a question. Who is the attorney in Britney Spears conservation ship??
I have asked that question on the web, and dont get any name.
Then over to how I see whats happend or maby what I think should happening.
First.
Britney Spears was born in a family who was not rich, maybe they was almost poor.
She had a dream of performing and singing.
They support her on the way to this dream.
Then also.
The family had problem.
Jamie get alcohol problem and could not restrain his temper. He sure must have been good also, but he had a problem.
Lynne, I dont know, maybe she was strong in the beginning. To survive maybe she put the hat on “martyrship” on here? Hard one to take of, when one start using it as a “visiting card”.
They (this types) say they are sorry for others, but they think they have it worst..and they have this ugly “I´m just a poor women who try my best” going on the whole time. (Sadly, or maybe a good thing..8O , mostly a women thing this behavior)
(Everyonone who not understand what that behavior goes out on, look on the web)
Jamie have recover from his alcohol abuse, and that he should be glad and proud of, but it is no experience who make him “holy” and his words is not the law.
About Britney being manipulativ, who is not, if we honestly observes our selves?
Think Jamie Spears are too, and me and the rest of you
I get very upset when you write that Britney dont even could hear/look at the news!!!????
It cant be possible!!!
And about talking with the judge, asking about her situation, get informed.
Should not her lawyer in the case about the children inform her and help her to get in contact to ask those question? Even question she not now knowing she have?
About the photo op and the paps op.
The photo op belongs to the area within her profession, and the same is about the paparazzi.
If they (the papz) dont get what they want, they could “kill” her by making life missebly for her.
There´s a lot of moraly stone-dead people out there. No use to even talk with them. They get hungry, and they need meat.
I think Britney is very glad she dont have to think about it.
Back to beeing born in a family who not had a lot of cash, and then be the one who make the cash.
One have to take care of ones family!!
I do strongly belive in that. (K-Fed is not family!)
But she should have an own lawyer who make sure that the family not get invovled in her private life, or in what she want to do with her future career.
She should get more help from people inside the family court.
Is some of the nannys selected by the family court (they said they should have obeservations and talks with the staff about her and the kids, did´nt they?)
As before, its one women working there who I dont like, she give me cold breezes. Dont like her “I am the important one for the boy” attitude.
I do think MT, that Britney should give her parents job for as long as they need it, also her brother, and her sister too, if she want. They all know the branch, the could be very helpfull.
But Britney should distance from them when it come to private life, and decisions about her kids. She can ask for advise, but she dont have to follow them.
Her life shall start now.
They should stop looking at her as theyhave create her.
They should start looking at her as “she is the one who saved us from poverty” and she need our respect for that.
She loves us, and we let her go her own path.
If we are faire on eatch other, we could all be happier.
To give the family the blame sold nothing.
To involved different communions solved nothing at all.
To show respect and trust and love inside the family, solved everything.
And Britney must do it too.
She could not be happy if her family living an insecure economic life.
First of all. She must ask herself.
Do I still want to do this?
Have I enough money to rase my kids?
Can I start an other business?
MT
After almost 4 years of not working, she need work, but does she need work as mush as now, the whole time?
I think she have decided to do all this, to solve some economic problems, and to get back in the business.
And she is rally something very special. She can do grey stones to sparkling light and get peoples feelings going to ON.
Not anyone can do that.
And as you know, I dont think her father use her.
) belive he is the one who knows whats best for his daugther.
I think he, like every father (bless them fools
She have to use some Jamie Spears daugther force on him
, so he understand its enough now.
And then she shall hug him.
(expect many wrong spellings)
November 9th, 2008 at 8:49 pm
Sam Ingram is her attorney. He has been her voice in court.
November 9th, 2008 at 8:49 pm
I do think there is something going on with the c-ship. But the court can’t keep it going if the doctor says she’s ok. I think there’s more to it than just the money side. I don’t think she’s as strong as some people would like us to believe. However, I do think she has come a long way.
I think the person leading this train is Jamie Spears. I think he wants the best for her. But at the same time it’s really hard to think that having seen all the work she’s been doing. If it were me in his shoes, I would focus more on the healing and less on the working.. I just think it’s too much too soon.
-I don’t think Lynne ever had custody.
-I don’t think Kevin can be bought. Well, not fully anyway.
-Britney is welcome in court, she chooses not to go.
-The AA bashing is unfortunate. (control? breaking spirits?) Misguided, misinformed, ignorance or speaking on limited experience/knowledge. I’m not sure what it is, but it’s sad and unfortunate.
-SM, I agree with you on Sam and there being three sides to the story. However, he did have opportunities to speak his peace in court, but chose a different route.
Having said all that…we only get to see what they want us to see. We don’t really know what’s going on and have never seen any medical reports either. So it’s really a one-sided guessing game.
jmo
PS…Remember to check your emotions at the door.
And don’t listen to the words, look at the actions.
Oh, I almost forgot about Adnan! lol. JS has him way out in left field, but he’ll be pitching eventually. Maybe.
November 9th, 2008 at 8:53 pm
Actually, he’s not even in left field is he. He’s in the stands. Watching and waiting. Oh hell let’s just say he’s been benched lol
November 9th, 2008 at 9:26 pm
Sam Ingham.
November 9th, 2008 at 9:28 pm
No need to buy the book. Lynne describes herself as a class co-dependent with co-dependent behavior.
Was she a rock or did denial serve her well? She is honest about denial.
I was never clear in reading what I read today if Jamie was only belittling when he was drunk.
He said things like she was stupid. He said sure she got a college degree but was too stupid to know how to get out of the rain.
He was verbally abusive and the kids saw and heard it all. The children were not in denial. They asked her, “Are you blind?” when Jamie had said where he had been and what he had been doing.
It was Britney who asked her if she wanted to live a lifetime of this.
November 9th, 2008 at 9:30 pm
Catching up but MH may I say you’ve been missed? It’s so nice to hear you chime in and speak.
November 9th, 2008 at 9:35 pm
Ferguson Speaks From The Heart
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bbaRyDLMvA
To MH
I do think Kevin can be bought. But all try to avoid that, becasue the kids need to have respect for their dad.
One day they get all info from the web (and from their own memories).
They will start to ask if he “made” them just to provide for his earlier kids and those kids mom, becasue their mom he have never loved, that can kids feel very strongly.
That day, I hope they can find that Kevin have behaved like a father for THEM, and not like an impostor.
Some day, SOON, he should try to stand up and admit that he was a huge, if not major reason to their mothers break down. And that he is sorry for that.
Then one could say he act like a man. H*** even Kaplan know its the fact. All knows it! All think it when they look at Kevin.
But that will Kaplan never let him do it, because that will hurt Kaplans wallet.
And Kevin have as we all know by now, no backbone. So he will blame Kaplan when the kids put the question in the future.
Learn to cuddle with your money Kevin. Thats all love you will get.
November 9th, 2008 at 9:37 pm
I think Britney is strong but I think she is also sensitive. She is the aspen that feels the tremors of the earth. I understand. She is kindred spirit.
About AA — it’s a sensitive topic. May as well bring in MM and other alternate sources. Audrey Kishline founded Moderation Management but she was in AA when she went off the deep end, drank heavily, went for a car ride and killed some people in an accident.
True — relocating to Bothell, WA from NY, expecting more from her husband… contributed, but she was in AA when she was arrested. She was happy in MM and happy and healthy living in NY.
November 9th, 2008 at 9:44 pm
I don’t think AA is for everyone. No way. And though the organization has become more “non denominational” one can’t deny that it used to be only the Christian god that everyone had to bow down to.
In short, don’t people still have to admit they are crazy before they can get through the twelve steps?
Alcoholism is not a disease but that’s my two cents. No one ever said she was an alcholic anyway so why was Britney in a twelve step program? She said so herself it wasn’t drugs but you can’t say that to an AA person, can you? “That’s the drugs talking” “That’s denial” “That’s what every addict says” .. AAers have a long long list of possible objections.
I maintain that Britney is a strong but vulnerable person — like me. Strong but sensitive. A quaking Aspen that feels the tremors of the earth.
Such things take a toll but also allow for .. powerful moving timeless art.
November 9th, 2008 at 9:46 pm
That should have said:
powerful timeless art — it’s art that others may relate to. So damn honest.
November 9th, 2008 at 9:49 pm
“In short, don’t people still have to admit they are crazy before they can get through the twelve steps?”
THAT i NEVER heard before!!!!
It must be a crazy person who made up that!
November 9th, 2008 at 10:06 pm
Alcohol is the only DRUG who is not criminal (when you are in right age for drinking) to use.
Thats why people can go down so deep, and nobody say stop, because so many of themself is on the same trip.
I don’t think Britney was an alcoholic jet, but she sure have found out, LIKE ME AND MANY OF US, that the DRUG alcohol help and comfort in many situations.
Something in the brains reward system, says good, very good, like it. Remember this, like it!
That effect alcohol have on all people, except for those who think it taste like h***, and feel uncomfortable when they drink the DRUG.
Alcohol is a DRUG! But it comes in liquid form, not in tablets, pulver, resin or grass.
And why its not illegal, that we all know the history of, I hope.
November 9th, 2008 at 10:22 pm
This MM program if a fraud, and dangerous..
they said about person with alcohol problems going to AA that they must go on
” abstinence based meetings, and prescribe lifetime abstinence as the only acceptable change in drinking.”
Of cource they have to. You cant be “a little alcoholic”
Whe the reward system once have connect the feeling with alcohol, then its done, and will never go away.
Its like having “a little” cocain habit.
How stupid!
Lifelong abstinence…
Well if you are are in any habit who harm you and your life, you have to fight against to use the habit for the rest of you life.
Wonder why people who loose weight very often gain weight again.
They use the not criminal DRUG, food, when their reward system tell them that thats the solution for the problem in that moment.
November 9th, 2008 at 11:40 pm
Ama. Google the Twelve Steps. Audrey Kishline went on a limb in how she read those steps but MANY appreciated her tact.
November 9th, 2008 at 11:43 pm
As I said, AA is a sensitive issue. AAers think AA is the ONLY way.
That is creepy to me and to many others.
Ama, what the heck do you mean Moderation Management or MANY other programs that help people are fraud?
November 9th, 2008 at 11:46 pm
Ama, there are those who lose weight who don’t ever return to their vices.
Psychological? Or did they get rid of their “disease?”
A disease model is asinine to me. There is no virus, no cancer cells, no bacteria, nothing that vindicates addiction as a “disease.”
November 9th, 2008 at 11:47 pm
Did Britney have a “disease?”
November 9th, 2008 at 11:47 pm
Or a dis-ease?
November 9th, 2008 at 11:47 pm
Thank god, gawd we are done with days of physicians cutting into them to blood let.
Thank god.
November 10th, 2008 at 12:06 am
We are getting off topic with our individual beliefs.
Yes?
Britney was forced into Promises after letting off steam, against her will.
Not one of you can come up with concrete proof she should have been at Promises. Was she acting a little crazy? Sure.
Oh yeh – it’s drugs, alcohol — such the easy answers. No one takes responsibility. It’s easier and more acceptable than LISTENING or having to face oneself.
Lynne for example. She just did it again. ohmygosh I didn’t know, they shut the door with my 17 year old in it. Next thing I knew my daughter was in her bra and underwear. Bullshit.
That would NEVER HAVE HAPPENED with MY mother.
And now I will stop projecting. My mother kept me close by (wonderful mother, controlling, but I was kept safe from man-beasts) but even she couldn’t stop me … from reaching. Ok she did but I got my voice out there and my pain was less.
November 10th, 2008 at 12:10 am
Ama, crazy?
We admitted we were powerless….
We must admit we were powerless…
I am powerless..
That’s bullshit to me. That’s crazy making behavior. It shows a lack of responsibility, accountability, sanity, and ABILITY to do anything.
Say you gave into … leniency. You got fat and happy. That would make more sense.
November 10th, 2008 at 2:31 am
Wow
November 10th, 2008 at 4:07 am
Does Lynne ever say “I fucked up.” Or does she kind of say it, but not really say it, in her book?
I do not trust a lot of people around Britney right now. I see her “friends” and I wonder, are they hers, or are they friends with mom and/or dad?
Who sends their daughter to Promises to heal? To heal? Are you kidding me?
I believe Britney is a very strong, loving, and sensitive person. I think that is why I like her so much.
November 10th, 2008 at 7:14 am
Mh says that Britney’s laywer says that she didnt want to see the judge. I wonder who the lawyer really worked for.
As far as what the doctor say. well lets just say that on Monday Britney will have an evaluation. So on Sunday, Jamie Spears does what he does best. Talk down and belittle her. Annoys her all day. Gives her a hard time all day. Finding ways to upset her to the max. Now the following day, Britney goes and sees the doctor. I wonder what kind of depressing and angry things Britney will say. How out of balance she might look because of what she went through the day before.
Just think of that as an example of manipulation.
Federline has a price. You give him enough you might just get change.
Everyone here keeps saying all these things about the relationshp between Britney and Jamie. What relationship. Have you people have no clue. She hates her father, plain and simple.
A celebrity once said that Britney was suffering from Stockholm syndrome. The problem with that is she was never a hostage by the paparazzi.
Now on th other hand, can we safely say that she in now a hostage in her own home and domain. You think maybe that they keep her long enough that she may develope a stockholm syndrome to het capture or hostage taker…. Now thats some ironic and strange twist of what ever is I said.
November 10th, 2008 at 10:41 am
Wow, lots of reading since the last time I checked in!
November 10th, 2008 at 10:53 am
MH Says:
November 9th, 2008 at 8:49 pm
-SM, I agree with you on Sam and there being three sides to the story. However, he did have opportunities to speak his peace in court, but chose a different route.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Ah, I think that’s where I was going with my Lutfi comments. I’d like to see a court document stating Lutfi’s official version of events before I take Lynne’s word for the gospel.
I do believe that Sam was manipulative, but not much more manipulative than those who are surrounding her now. I do believe that he was parading her in front of the paps to make money, but it seems that practice is still going on now (at least now there’s more control, and she’s fully clothed and dignified.) I do believe he was feeding her drug cocktails, which he shouldn’t have been doing (she should’ve been taking her medication herself), but somewhere there was a doctor who prescribed those medications. Where is that person?
It just seems to me that Lutfi has been made the scapegoat in all of this, when really the story was MUCH more complex. Blaming Lutfi for all that was going on is just much more simple and easy. So that’s the way it’s gone.
The strange thing is, what Lutfi said about WHY he was doing what he was doing, and what MT tells us about the C-Ship…are basically the same thing.
November 10th, 2008 at 11:09 am
Taken pre-Lutfi:
http://x17online.com/celebrities/britney_spears/x17_rewind_britney_talks_its_my_time-12312007.php#more
Her anger towards her parents and management was there before he ever came along…He just seemed to capitalize on it and use it for his own agenda.
November 10th, 2008 at 11:32 am
Just look what she bought her Dad for Christmas last year – now THAT sends a message:
http://x17online.com/celebrities/britney_spears/oops_she_denied_it_again-12212007.php#more
November 10th, 2008 at 11:40 am
small. I think Lynne “explains” and defends herself in the book but much of it comes across as apology. She was not the perfect mother. She trusted others when she should have followed her gut.
That comes across fairly often. So yes, she admits she f’d up.
I can’t imagine my mother ever allowing a teenage daughter to be in a bedroom, with the door shut, with a photographer. I couldn’t even be in a room as a teenager with my brother with any door shut.
My parents were very protective and any older man was suspect. This was embarrassing as a kid but bottom line is we were protective from near any adult.
Three adults in the house on the day of the Rolling Stone shoot. Larry, Jamie, and Lynne. You get the feeling that they were all fairly new at this and trusting …
I think Larry was the first one to barge into the bedroom where the photographer had Britney in her underwear. Larry put a stop to it per Lynne.
Lynne, Larry, .. they thought they would get final say so in pics that went into the magazine.
In some ways Lynne really was a country bumpkin. My own mother was raised in rural Idaho but I am telling you, no country bumpkin she. My mom didn’t have the same tragedies as Lynne ….but all men are suspect when it comes to teenage girls, to my mom anyway.
So yes small in Lynne’s way, to me anyway, she says I f’d up, I’m sorry, my heart was in the right place, I failed my daughter and I’ll do better.
November 10th, 2008 at 1:51 pm
I’m sure when this train first started Lynn was a country bumpkin. Anyone remember the pictures coming out just after Katrina hit? Not just New Orleans but areas north of there. What did you see? Who were they interviewing? That entire area is full of country bumpkins – some just have a little more money than others. They were not ready for the train when Britney started out and they let others tell them what was best. I am sure she is now wishing things would have been different. I’m glad she put her foot down about Jamie Lynn.
I had almost the same converstation with a very young lady this weekend. She just found out she is pregnant and now must tell the family. She knows what her dad will say without even telling him. She now wonders where she will end up and how long it will be until she is allowed to come home. Will her mom take up for her and go against the dad and keep her home or will she bow down to his wishes. It is really sad these things happen in todays world but they do. If the parents would allow it she could live with me. No one and I mean no one would send my child away. They would have to kill me first. Husband/father be damned. This is when the soon to be mother needs her mother the most.
November 10th, 2008 at 2:35 pm
MT—From following Britney through the years, not only for the last few years, I’ve always sensed she had a BAD relationship with her father. I wouldn’t doubt if he was emotionally abusive in her life, which would explain how she comes to life on stage. It’s as if she is in a whole other world. An escape.
AM—I guess I want Lynne to say “I fucked up”. No explanations. I sometimes think in offering explanations, she is always blaming someone else, the agents, the publicists, Sam, etc..
I’ve said it before, and I will say it again, I will wait for the c-ship to be terminated before I believe Britney is really okay. I think Jamie would like it go on forever.
November 10th, 2008 at 3:36 pm
“Steel_Magnolia Says:
November 10th, 2008 at 11:32 am Just look what she bought her Dad for Christmas last year – now THAT sends a message”
”””””””””””””””””’
I dont understand..a t-shirt (?), what kind of hidden message are that???
November 10th, 2008 at 3:47 pm
Ama, She went into a store on Hollywood Blvd. that sells cheap “Hollywood” merchandise to tourists. If you listen in the video, she’s picking out the tackiest items she can find to give to her family as Christmas gifts. Seeing as she’s a millionaire, she was obviously very angry at her father to pick out such a shirt for him as a Christmas gift – in front of the paps, no less.
November 10th, 2008 at 3:48 pm
There’s a new article in Life & Style that’s available on BH. An interesting read.
November 10th, 2008 at 4:25 pm
Steel_
Britney was not in need of any rehab, she had other problems..and she was angry and dissopointed, that don’t mean she hate her father or her mother for ever!
Its so childish to believe she have to hate for the rest of her life!
I think you act very odd, you should know better. Who do you work for?
November 10th, 2008 at 4:28 pm
Hunh?!
November 10th, 2008 at 4:31 pm
Steel_
I dont think you have Britneys best in mind.
November 10th, 2008 at 4:32 pm
That’s your opinion. You’re welcome to it.
November 10th, 2008 at 4:33 pm
You sure know how to push buttons, Ama, I’ll give you that.
November 10th, 2008 at 4:33 pm
Catch you later.
November 10th, 2008 at 4:59 pm
You know, other people on this board can express opinions that differ from yours and you don’t ask THEM who THEY work for.
Who do YOU work for?!
That was incredibly rude, Amapola. I’ve had enough of you and your personal jabs and smartass remarks. Please stop.
Thank you.
November 10th, 2008 at 5:22 pm
Steel_
Whose side are you on, whould have been more what I ment to ask.
please excuse me.
Because I think you are more on Kevins side of view, and because you said you work or have work with documentaries with docymentaries about “divorses and kids” questions (?)
I thougt you would understand more, have seen more.
I´m private, I have not work with this questions.
(Who not say I don’t have experience)
Dont this lawyer Ingham (?) put his head on a plate if he not give an alarm if he think something fishy going on?
Have not Britney been to this lawyer for a couple of times the last months?
Or what lawyer was she visiting?
Why do you, and you are not alone on this site, think that Jamie not want Britneys best?
November 10th, 2008 at 5:33 pm
Amapola Says:
November 10th, 2008 at 5:22 pm
Dont this lawyer Ingham (?) put his head on a plate if he not give an alarm if he think something fishy going on? Have not Britney been to this lawyer for a couple of times the last months?
Or what lawyer was she visiting? Why do you, and you are not alone on this site, think that Jamie not want Britneys best?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
MT seems to have the inside scoop on this…I really don’t know about this part.
November 10th, 2008 at 5:39 pm
Amapola Says:
November 10th, 2008 at 5:22 pm
Why do you, and you are not alone on this site, think that Jamie not want Britneys best?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I believe Britney loves her father, and her father loves her back, very much.
But I also think that sometimes parents want what THEY think is best for us, and it’s not necessarily what we think is best for ourselves. (For example, Britney may very well want to have a relationship with Adnan right now, but it seems that her father is limiting her contact to very few people outside of her own family.)
When I posted the links above, it was not to say that she hates her father now, but it was to support a comment that small hands made about Britney having an ongoing tense relationship with her father that has stretched back many years. That relationship went back before the C-Ship went in place, and went back before Rehab, and probably stretched back into childhood.
It actually didn’t have anything to do with Kevin Federline – my comments were focused on her relationship with her parents.
November 10th, 2008 at 5:51 pm
To give you a bit more about my background…I’ve been following a fellow with a camera for about six years now, making a documentary about him. He worked for the Children’s Aid as a family counsellor, so I’ve discussed with him how the law pertains to families, and how family court works. So I just have that bit of knowledge. Nothing big.
Previous to going to film school, I worked at a communications company. One of my jobs was to help write press releases for our clients whenever they had “crisis moments” (e.g. when they had a negative story written about them in the local newspaper). Our job was to try to “spin” the story to make our clients look good, so that the public would get a different version of events than what showed up in the newspaper.
We also did “branding,” where we would develop a slogan for a company or product, along with a logo, brochures, etc. We would help create the “image” or “look” for them (their “brand”) and we’d then use that same “brand” to market the company or the product over a period of time.
When MT talks about Britney being a “brand,” this is the kind of thing he’s talking about.
November 10th, 2008 at 5:54 pm
Steel_
Its so sad that we must suspect that Britney dont can have contact with for exaple Adnaqn, even if she want to.
But I dont think its only her fathers fault.
The gossip site would go into “berserk rage” of indignation..
Small minded people would get crazy.
Paparazzi would make her life with the kids impossibly.
In short. I think its more the medias fault then then Jamies.
(Gossip sites workers/writers call celebs (mostly women get hard words) for “sluts” and “whores” and all sorts of terrible name.
I think the writers on many sites are real stupid or they do so “in cold blood”)
Look back on what the so-called “brothers” in the paparazzi world have done to Adnan so far…
Its only this site who have act decent.
November 10th, 2008 at 5:55 pm
Basically, I worked at a company that did the same kinds of things (but on a smaller scale) that Lou M. Taylor does.
It makes me very skeptical about everything I read and see – because I know what a dirty business the entertainment world can be. There’s not a lot of truth in Hollywood.
November 10th, 2008 at 6:01 pm
I think that’s a huge reason why her father won’t let her see Adnan – because gossip writers would go berserk.
Right now, Britney’s team is working very hard to shape her image and make her fit back into the Britney “brand” that the world came to love. I realize that THAT is what sells record and concert tickets, but it also might be interfering with her life, in the sense that she can’t be who SHE wants to be (e.g. dating Adnan).
It all goes back to the fact that Britney’s fans seem to think they OWN her.
How many other artists or celebrities have fans who think that way?
November 10th, 2008 at 6:15 pm
Britney “Brand” (innocent vixen)
Fans with false sense of ownership
= Big Money
Britney “Brand” (innocent vixen)
Conservatorship (Big Power)
= Big Money
Big Money Big Power = Trouble!
November 10th, 2008 at 6:16 pm
Hey, it’s taking out my “plus” signs…!!
Now that last post doesn’t make sense.
November 10th, 2008 at 6:18 pm
Britney “Brand” (innocent vixen)
PLUS
Fans with false sense of ownership
= Big Money
Britney “Brand” (innocent vixen)
PLUS
Conservatorship (Big Power)
= Big Money
Big Money PLUS Big Power = Trouble!
November 10th, 2008 at 6:20 pm
“Steel_Magnolia Says:
November 10th, 2008 at 5:51 pm”
Thank you, I did not think ot was Russel Brand:
- “Think that will be your surname soon “…
Yes, she probably have to sell out some years of her life, collecting as much money as possibly(Kevin should have and many other sure will have money from her), then escape into some sort of privacy..
Because she have this “special” who make people ALWAYS want to know about her, see picuture of her, hear her singing, her performing.
She have star quality as few have, and I don’t understand how she shall escape from it.
I only hope that Kevin will be a gentleman, and help her to have her kids.
He should work WITH Britney so both him and Britney could live as adults!
But money..money..
Do they both have to go old, not being able to have a love of their own?
All because they don’t stand up for each other in this matter?
November 10th, 2008 at 6:27 pm
Steel_
+ IF any religous community get their hands on her life, they want a tenth…
November 10th, 2008 at 6:30 pm
…For a minute back there, I thought you were accusing me of being Mark Vincent Kaplan.
Now that I’ve settled down, it’s giving me quite a chuckle.
November 10th, 2008 at 6:37 pm
And I have seen a documentary about Lee Atwater 8O..
Scary.
Exactly as the gossip papers and the newspapers work now!
And lawyers.
Negative campaign
November 10th, 2008 at 6:38 pm
And I have seen a documentary about Lee Atwater
November 10th, 2008 at 6:44 pm
I just read the review…I’m going to have to watch that!
There’s just something about a good documentary…I like the idea of cutting through all the lies the media tries to spin, and getting the REAL story.
November 10th, 2008 at 6:46 pm
Steel_
You know the anagram?
Britney Spears?
Presbytarians
I don’t know if it are/was done unawarely of the outcome of the name = the anagram.
November 10th, 2008 at 9:17 pm
I saw this, and its cute….
Womanizer but with some teddybears..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N939vbsyxJE
Where is AM? Have anyone seen AM?
November 11th, 2008 at 2:27 am
First, I want to say I appreciate everybody’s opinions, even when they are different than mine. Sometimes a different opinion makes you think more, which is good.
November 11th, 2008 at 2:29 am
Right now, Britney’s team is working very hard to shape her image and make her fit back into the Britney “brand” that the world came to love. I realize that THAT is what sells record and concert tickets, but it also might be interfering with her life, in the sense that she can’t be who SHE wants to be (e.g. dating Adnan).
———————–
That’s what bothers me—going back to the brand of the past. It created so many problems.
November 11th, 2008 at 2:31 am
[b]“It all goes back to the fact that Britney’s fans seem to think they OWN her.”[/b]
———
They do and that is the scary part. They forget she has her own life to live on her terms, not on theirs.
November 11th, 2008 at 9:25 am
I don’t want anyone to get me wrong – going back a year ago, I HATED Sam Lutfi and everything that was going on. I think her Dad has done a fabulous job in turning her health around and getting her back on track. It’s possible she wouldn’t be alive right now without him. And it’s great that she’s now forging a stronger relationship with her family.
But I’m starting to grow a bit leary, is all. The idea that the C-Ship has been made “permanent” is setting off warning bells for me. And when I saw her new album cover, and the look of her new Web site (pinks and purples, as if it’s geared towards 13-year olds)…It made me realize that her team might be pushing her back into the Britney “brand” that I disliked when I was younger – that same “brand” or “image” that she seemed to be wanting to break away from before her break-down.
Brit’s 26-years old now…I’d love to see her image and her career GROW with her fans, not be held in one place just because that image is what makes the big money.
November 11th, 2008 at 1:56 pm
Steel — I was very surprised to hear this from a classmate this week — “I miss the old britney. the over sexualized teenager who did songs like “im a slave for u.” where is she? can she come back?”
I am still stunned. The young lady is in her twenties and graduates this June. I wonder how many fans she speaks for.
I would love if Britney could run around without a wig or hair extensions. I wonder that there is something in her contract. Wigs are hot. Hair extensions hard to take care of?
Meanwhile the next scheduled hearing is March 1, 2009 I believe. Here is a refresher article posted 10/28/08
http://wbztv.com/entertainment/britney.spears.finances.2.850868.html
Meanwhile then do the legal wranglings (that we can access) suggest that Britney will be free and available for a deposition in February to be followed by a hearing in Orlando?
Is the the Wright side hopeful, have a better offense planned, or do they know more about the end of c-ship than the rest of the public?
p.s. I too appreciate the opinion of others … even when they differ from mine and even when I react and have to come back to eat crow sometimes.
November 11th, 2008 at 2:07 pm
“Goetz said that she will revisit the deposition issue Feb. 2.”
http://www.comcast.net/articles/entertainment-eonline/20081028/b66023/
November 11th, 2008 at 2:13 pm
You know the one good thing about Johnny Wright and his attorney Clay Townsend is that they want to prove her capable and mentally healthy.
Steel, as for those who think they OWN her, aren’t they same ones who want the c-ship to continue?
I have seen evidence of ‘ownership’ from a number of fans on BH. I am always surprised by the numbers in favor of continued c-ship when Jordan runs a poll.
Those particular fans are getting what they want. They’d rather have new albums, same image, performances, no dating, no red lipstick nor brown boots, than to risk Britney’s freedom and the loss of their egocentric need of Britney for their addictions.
I don’t understand the mentality but it’s there.
November 11th, 2008 at 2:20 pm
Ha! I think I’ve had to pull out my crow-strength dental floss on a few occasions…Or at least my crow-strength mouthwash.
November 11th, 2008 at 2:30 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
November 11th, 2008 at 1:56 pm
Steel — I was very surprised to hear this from a classmate this week — “I miss the old britney. the over sexualized teenager who did songs like “im a slave for u.” where is she? can she come back?”
I am still stunned. The young lady is in her twenties and graduates this June. I wonder how many fans she speaks for. I would love if Britney could run around without a wig or hair extensions. I wonder that there is something in her contract. Wigs are hot. Hair extensions hard to take care of?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I wouldn’t be shocked if there WAS something in her contract that stipulated she had to fit the image. It IS the world of entertainment, after all.
I actually miss the sexy Britney, too – I just don’t like it being marketing to young girls. Adults, fine, but not young girls. To me, marketing overt sexuality to adolescent girls is like aiming cigarette ads at teenagers. BAD!
It was the dual role – the innocent vixen – that I wasn’t too keen on. (Now that she’s an adult, I’d love for her to drop the “innocent” part and just go vixen. Or just go natural…What a normal 26-year old would want for her own fan base.)
And her sound – the breathy singing. I just wasn’t a fan. She’s got a voice that rivals Christina’s in power – she just never seemed to use it because it wasn’t a part of her signature “sound.”
However…Have you heard “Kill the Lights”? She actually SINGS in parts. And I love it!
I’m officially a convert. Buying the album. Definitely buying the album.
November 11th, 2008 at 2:40 pm
I feel lucky to have received anything from my brother when he has so much on his plate. Here’s what he told me:
“It looks like a lot of procedural posturing. A court commissioner is an appointed position, compared to a judge, which is an elected position. A court commissioner can do some of things a judge can do, and their decisions are subject to appeal to a judge. In our Washington courts, they handle such things as divorce proceedings, child support, juvenile and mental health cases; and a lot of procedural matters for the court like motions.”
November 11th, 2008 at 2:53 pm
Procedural posturing…
On whose side? Wright’s or the Spears’? Or neither…just procedural stuff that doesn’t actually advance the case?
November 11th, 2008 at 3:00 pm
The Wright case…Management…the C-Ship…divorces…custody cases…Lutfi leaches…record companies…financial audits…Lawyers…EQ’s…Jane Does…Media…Paparazzi…Punymen…Fans with a false sense of ownership…
Wouldn’t it be nice to somehow make sense of this crazy world of Britney?
November 11th, 2008 at 3:04 pm
You know what? I think Brit looked fab at the Madonna concert last week. I take that back – I think she looks great all covered up, too.
November 11th, 2008 at 3:05 pm
Sorry — I didn’t send my brother all the stuff I posted here — just one section of the case.
As I understand “procedural” is just that which must be filed to move the case to the next step.
For example, Discovery and Interragoratories are part (procedure) to move the case toward trial.
I think where we are at now is that Spears won the last round, but not Wright is moving in with whatever he has to counter … oh who knows.
In other words my brother was unable to see anything that didn’t seem normal .. procedural … and “boring?” to him lol.
Love the crow mouthwash and floss. Thanks Steel.
November 11th, 2008 at 3:06 pm
I’d like to know what subpoenas were sent out during the last round. You know the “Ok, if we can’t have Britney we’ll take John Doe and so and so on. No sense standing around while Papa has momentarily thwarted us.”
November 11th, 2008 at 3:06 pm
Ah, “discoveries” rings a bell with me. Yup, it’s procedural. We’ll have to wait a while before things get cooking in that case.
November 11th, 2008 at 3:13 pm
Mark. Did you quit smoking?
Meanwhile, just a thought. Wright won in the first round or so they had thought. Then Spears got the default judgment rebuked — sort of like getting a reset to the beginning of the case and the complaint.
So… I had been thinking Wright would wait on Britney but what is they think they can win the case without her testimony?
It could be what they are up to. I’ll keep checking the court site and share what I find. Between that, Mark, and various media we should have a fair idea of what is going on.
November 11th, 2008 at 3:16 pm
p.s. Steel I did not know about your background with PR. You are as cynical and suspicious as I am when it comes to marketing, branding, and then the media …
November 11th, 2008 at 3:21 pm
Hurry up you guys if you have a question for my brother, an elected judge.
Here’s his reply to me regarding commissioners and subpoenas.
“A commissioner may be empowered to issue a subpoena, like a judge. Yes, the local jurisdiction where the person is to be found must issue the subpoena. Federal subpoenas may cross state lines.”
I wrote to him:
> I take it that to be able to serve an out of state subpoena one needs a
> court commissioner where the subpoena is to be served?
>
> In Britney’s case it was NY, L.A., and St. Helena Parish where the
> district serves Kentwood — where Britney is from.
November 11th, 2008 at 3:22 pm
p.s. it’s a holiday here so I guess he is online (a treat for me).
November 11th, 2008 at 3:23 pm
It wasn’t a long background in PR – just long enough to figure out that it wasn’t what I wanted to do.
I had a couple of my press releases printed in the newspaper almost word for word…and that’s when I realized that journalists don’t write newspapers – PR hacks do!
And that’s what turned me towards documentaries…Not nearly as well paying (unless you’re Michael Moore), but much more satisfying work. I think.
November 11th, 2008 at 3:23 pm
Steel could you please post a decent link for Kill the Lights? There’s so much trash out there right now —
November 11th, 2008 at 3:25 pm
I almost forgot it was Remembrance Day, until I looked at the clock and it was 10:58 am. I usually like to attend Remembrance Day ceremonies, since I had two grandparents serve in WWII, but working from home this year…I just lost track of time. Shame on ME!
“Lest we forget.”
November 11th, 2008 at 3:30 pm
I shouldn’t be doing this…It’s bad of me to even spread this…But it convinced me to buy the album. I’m addicted:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqpIBHFtALc
November 11th, 2008 at 3:54 pm
This version of Shattered Glass is pretty good:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hwFNxm8w1Y&feature=related
November 11th, 2008 at 4:03 pm
Ah so Remembrance Day and Veterans’ Day are celebrated at the same time? I wonder at the history of that. Pretty cool. Off to view the naughty links. Thx Steel.
November 11th, 2008 at 4:07 pm
Same days, just different names in different countries.
It’s to commemorate when major hostilities of WWI formally ended, at the 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month in 1918.
November 11th, 2008 at 4:13 pm
I feel ashamed. I should have known that. Thanks for the links.
You know. It would be nice to see how Britney would define herself after freedom. She has a pretty enough face to say .. you know.. here’s my new hairdo. She could start a trend.
I mean you either have it or you don’t and she does.
My sister told me she only wore a wig to please others and I was thrilled when we were together in a movie theater and she took it off.
oh dear. Getting serious again and I had been so good! … well better.
November 11th, 2008 at 4:14 pm
p.s. one more serious. I was thoroughly p.o.’d when she was buried with it.
November 11th, 2008 at 4:23 pm
I am trying to understand the difference between filing to vote and .. c-ship.
November 11th, 2008 at 4:38 pm
I think Wolk said it. He can write a letter but not buy a stamp.
November 11th, 2008 at 4:48 pm
Kinda like I’m good at writing, can design my own clothes or take a great photograph. But ask me to add two numbers together and I’ll look at you with a blank stare.
I graduated with a 97% average out of high school, taking the advanced classes…but dropped out of grade 13 physics – bawling my eyes out in the hallway – after just three days! It was as if the teacher was talking Japanese!!
I’m an extremely right-brained thinker, to say the least.
November 11th, 2008 at 4:50 pm
Doesn’t mean you need c-ship Steel.
November 11th, 2008 at 4:54 pm
Thank goodness. I’m much too mouthy and opinionated. My poor conservator wouldn’t be able to stand me for a day. LOL
November 11th, 2008 at 5:00 pm
Yeh I’d be pushy and “manipulative” and be like all daughters and get my way. Until I learned I couldn’t get out that way. …
So then maybe I would conform (and hide inside) … and perform.
I don’t know. Is it really worth imagining how things might be?
So it’s up to the judge, shrinks, co-conservators but ultimately Britney to get out of this now?
What does one say? “I’m ready?” I hope there is no guilt going on here … or protection of the family, “I couldn’t embarrass Daddy that way, objecting in court.”
November 11th, 2008 at 5:01 pm
I’m still trying to understand “subject to undue influences” and no change in status.
November 11th, 2008 at 5:02 pm
Only if you are into Barack,
http://ldsrr91.wordpress.com/2008/07/14/baracks-house-audio/
November 11th, 2008 at 5:05 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
November 11th, 2008 at 5:01 pm
I’m still trying to understand “subject to undue influences” and no change in status.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
…I took that to mean, “We caught her texting with sketchy people like that Ghalib fellow.”
November 11th, 2008 at 5:11 pm
I just got an e-mail from iTunes. It appears Britney’s “Circus” album is in the same “Pre-Order” category as “Chinese Democracy” by Guns N Roses.
…LOL!
November 11th, 2008 at 5:14 pm
Well undue influences is a legal term. Could they have meant Adnan or Wright or Lutfi?
I mean is there like some kind of proof she’s text messaging anyone?
Hence I am still trying to understand…
Is Daddy catching her rebelling or is it more sinister those “undue influences?”
November 11th, 2008 at 5:20 pm
AM, Have you read the recent Life & Style article? It was recently posted on BH. (The link is above.)
It’s an interesting read. I don’t know how much of it is true, but it’s interesting.
November 11th, 2008 at 5:40 pm
I read it. Life and Style has never been a friend to Britney Spears and they haven’t a single traceable letigimate source in the latest article.
So what do I think? Not anything different than before reading the article.
It’s sensationalism.
November 11th, 2008 at 5:41 pm
Hope I don’t need that mouthwash soon.
November 11th, 2008 at 5:43 pm
Knowing what we know about Lou…
Where do you suppose the sources from that article came from?
November 11th, 2008 at 5:45 pm
I’m not saying Lou was the source, but could she have been? Or is it likely someone else?
November 11th, 2008 at 5:48 pm
Gosh dang it. I forgot about Lou and her having inroads to the media on behalf of Jamie, Lynne, and Jamie Lynne.
But you know as much or more than I about image building.
I wonder if Britney is allowed to have a spokesperson outside of Ingham?
And K-Fed has a publicity agent now? I don’t even remember where I saw that but it was in reference to him having constant contact with the Spears’ family while Jayden was in trouble.
November 11th, 2008 at 5:49 pm
I guess what I am saying is every time I see something put out by Life & Style and its sister (co-owned) InTouch, there seems to be some point to the article: Make Britney Look BAD.
November 11th, 2008 at 5:52 pm
Here’s an interesting comment by an Anonymous poster on BH to the article:
“It’s unlikely it will end by the next year… If it could end they wouldn’t have made it permanent. i don/t understand her father/ Was it so hard for him to go on extending temporary one jut to leave HOPE for Brit?!! Now it was made permanent and she can guess she would NEVER get custody and never be on her own. It’s awful for a person to know that. Even rebelling teenagers know they will grow up one day and get their independence and Brit has to live with the thought she would be controlled for the rest of her life (or at least her YOUTH) even in simple things as driving or sending e-mails…… It was not a proper thing to do. They should have left her hope.”
What’cha think?
November 11th, 2008 at 5:54 pm
I knew in the back of my head that Lou was the “go-between” between the Spears and the media (thanks to her “spokesperson” role during the Dr. Phil drama), but until I read the article in the Enquirer, I hadn’t put two and two together. Now, every time I read about the Spears, I’m going to start putting Lou behind the quotes (mentally, I mean) to see what happens.
November 11th, 2008 at 5:55 pm
oh for God’s sake it’s starting.. I’ll have to go change my mood on myspace to angry mad person… thank goodness Linda didn’t buy the story but didn’t you just know the media was going to put her through this?
November 11th, 2008 at 5:58 pm
Don’t forget to put Alli as a possible “source” too.
I am so angry right now. Why did E! even go there.
November 11th, 2008 at 5:59 pm
I saw that quote on BH…I’ve recently found that all the good stuff at BH is in the comments section.
What do I think about the comment?
I don’t know…On one hand, it does save time and paperwork to make it “permanent” (from what I understand) since it means Jamie and the lawyers don’t have to keep returning to court so often…but at the same time, I tend to agree with the person who made that comment. And I tend to agree with MT…How many grown adults do you know that don’t have access to something as simple as e-mail?
I mean, really? No e-mail? What is the purpose of that?
November 11th, 2008 at 6:00 pm
And no – I am not posting this on the front page of our community site.
http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b68226_Hospital_Run_Could_Cost_Britney_Custody.html
November 11th, 2008 at 6:01 pm
I didn’t really see that Life & Style article as bad for Brit. It just helped me (if we were to assume it’s true) to understand what’s going on.
November 11th, 2008 at 6:02 pm
Steel — who is talking about L&S — check our front page or follow the link to E!
November 11th, 2008 at 6:03 pm
Sorry – that sounded .. huffy. lol
November 11th, 2008 at 6:03 pm
About L&S I doubt most of what they pen. When you start to believe them?
November 11th, 2008 at 6:07 pm
Oops, we were talking apples and oranges. I KNEW when that happened to JJ someone would have SOMETHING to say.
November 11th, 2008 at 6:08 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
Steel, as for those who think they OWN her, aren’t they same ones who want the c-ship to continue?
I have seen evidence of ‘ownership’ from a number of fans on BH. I am always surprised by the numbers in favor of continued c-ship when Jordan runs a poll.
Those particular fans are getting what they want. They’d rather have new albums, same image, performances, no dating, no red lipstick nor brown boots, than to risk Britney’s freedom and the loss of their egocentric need of Britney for their addictions.
I don’t understand the mentality but it’s there.
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I will never understand it either. It’s stange. I want the opposite. The C-ship to expire and her getting her kids back. I like the music and all but that’s the least important to me.
I didn’t read the L&S article. I don’t really believe anything I read in tabloids. I read the summary at BH, and it quoted a “friend”. I don’t want to believe that her friend would do that to her…speak to a tabloid. It’s so sad to think they did.
November 11th, 2008 at 6:09 pm
As for L&S, I’m not saying I believe them…I’m just now reading everything with Lou in the back of my mind, and seeing what happens.
I can imagine that much of the article IS true, but just not from the perspective that it was written. If that makes sense.
November 11th, 2008 at 6:11 pm
Where the heck is Ama today anyhoo? gigi has a holiday. KLM taking a break. Doc? is still being chewed and crackered or something. MH? I offended her. I just put my opinion out there though. It was nothing personal. (AA)
November 11th, 2008 at 6:12 pm
Nosey is posting just not here. Wolk and Cloud I don’t know. small? Maybe she too has the day off.
November 11th, 2008 at 6:13 pm
Okay, to put it this way…
Amapola always used to comment about how all the “leaks” stopped once the C-Ship went into place. But lately there have been more and more leaks from “friends” or “sources.”
Who is doing this? And why is it happening?
November 11th, 2008 at 6:13 pm
Ah speak of the devil — small! hug lol
November 11th, 2008 at 6:15 pm
Steel. If Lou would talk to InTouch and Life and Style it doesn’t say much for herself.
November 11th, 2008 at 6:16 pm
For a more effective campaign she’d have to sell to higher more credible places. I can’t join you on the bandwagon where Lou and a rummy publication such as L&S are concerned.
November 11th, 2008 at 6:17 pm
Yes I’m here!
Trying to catch up!
November 11th, 2008 at 6:21 pm
Well, we already know that Lou talks to the National Enquirer!
November 11th, 2008 at 6:21 pm
Allow me to correct something I’ve stated before, I tend to never believe tabloids, BUT I do believe thay they sometimes hold about 5% truth in what they report. And I’m being generous. We have to figure out which part of the bs is true. There lies the problem.
I would like to keep on thinking that her “friends” and “sources” wouldn’t talk to tabloids, but I know better. Those aren’t real friends in my world.
November 11th, 2008 at 6:21 pm
What the – it just took out something…
November 11th, 2008 at 6:22 pm
It should’ve said *insert little cringing face here*, but I used html arrows, so I think the software took it out.
November 11th, 2008 at 6:23 pm
From reading at BH, I finally figured out what the song “If You Seek Amy” is really saying. Why didn’t you tell me?!
November 11th, 2008 at 6:24 pm
small, I think I agree with you. I think tabloids DO use a kernel of the truth, but then they exaggerate or spin the story into something much more dramatic than what actually happened.
November 11th, 2008 at 6:27 pm
small — I think some of us were hesitant to admit we even read those sites. These days we are more freely linking or bringing up reports from other sites etc.
Small you are right about the 5%. I was trying to understand some time ago what gives tabloids the right and why they are sued more often.
Turns out (and I am an underdog in understanding the law) that is the story “seems” that it could be true or is based on that little 5% then the tabloid has a good chance of winning?
If something is more foreign, say that Britney was born on Mars, eats dogs etc., then she would have a better case in court?
oh dear. So a story must be “somewhat” believable to avoid litigation?
November 11th, 2008 at 6:27 pm
That is why it is difficult to figure out what is the truth in all this. What to believe. Who to believe. Ultimately, I want to hear from Britney, but how much control will she be under when she does, and how much of it would/should I believe when I listen.
November 11th, 2008 at 6:27 pm
correction: why they aren’t sued more often.
November 11th, 2008 at 6:30 pm
AM, I wonder if Lou’s job is this…
She KNOWS L&S (or some other rummy publication) is about to run a cover story on Brit. She knows because they call her and ask her for quotes and dirt. So, her job is to “spin” the story to make it the most favourable she possibly can for her clients, because the story is going to run whether she likes it or not.
…Do you think this could be it, based on that National Enquirer article? I’m just trying to get a grip on what exactly her role is in all of this.
She is a rook, after all.
November 11th, 2008 at 6:32 pm
Ah — her client(s).
Britney is not her client. ok ok I see what you are getting after. I think.
November 11th, 2008 at 6:33 pm
What or which National Enquirer article? Is Jamie Lynne pregnant again?
November 11th, 2008 at 6:34 pm
Longest smoke break ever I swear Mark Twain.
November 11th, 2008 at 6:36 pm
Yep, that article. “The Business of Being…”
If you scroll down to the bottom, they explain how they were put in touch with Lou.
November 11th, 2008 at 6:36 pm
I’d like to hear from MT…..
November 11th, 2008 at 6:37 pm
me too!
November 11th, 2008 at 6:40 pm
I’ve never been here when Adnan drops by either.
November 11th, 2008 at 6:40 pm
Me neither.
And me too! LOL
November 11th, 2008 at 6:42 pm
You guys need to get myspace or an IM acct.
That’s how we did it more or less last time.
November 11th, 2008 at 6:43 pm
This does require more trust and more distance from those from … choose a board. Choose your community?
November 11th, 2008 at 6:44 pm
I haven’t posted at that other site in months and months…if that’s what you mean.
November 11th, 2008 at 6:46 pm
But I know others from that board do read over here, because when I do read the comments over there, there always tends to be copies and pastes. You’d think they’d get bored of it. LOL
November 11th, 2008 at 6:46 pm
I like the buried threads at this site. Like this one. Only a few of us know we posting in this thread. At least I think so.
November 11th, 2008 at 6:47 pm
quick chess – ‘cuz I hate leaving my buddies behind.
Ponds = they move one step, one square at a time, just like the King.
Queen = can move in any direction and completely across the board. Such a powerful player is one you don’t want to give up to an opponent.
Rook = castle. They are powerful. They tend to sit in the corner and roughly ignored until latter parts of the game. One usually or often plays the other pieces such as bishops, knights, ponds and the queen.
King = can only move one square at a time. The game is spent protecting the king.
An interesting move is “to castle.” This is done while still possible and protects the king by the castle a/k/a rook.
On a board, the castle that was originally in the corner, is now at the side of the King with the king closer to the corner. It is often an effective and unexpected move.
I hate to put the primer here but I am hopeful we are a little more protected this time from the lazy x17 stalker.
November 11th, 2008 at 6:47 pm
Steel, have I been quoted at other sites?
November 11th, 2008 at 6:50 pm
I have to go.
I’ll catch up much later tonight, when you are all sleeping.
November 11th, 2008 at 6:51 pm
Me too small. We were thinking alike at the same time.
I haven’t posted much anywhere Steel and I would hope you aren’t telling Melanie where we are.
I am not accusing you of much of anything but you are the only person we had in common as to acquaintance back to X.
So by all means, a buried thread. X only seems to come here when they are bored by their own community and looking for fresh meat.
November 11th, 2008 at 6:52 pm
That sounds horrible Steel and I am sorry but .. I am much less isolated as to communication now that I am connected with others through myspace and yahoo IM.
It’s been a relief and a help to our community to be able to say things there without anyone else seeing.
November 11th, 2008 at 6:53 pm
I don’t play chess, so that’s helpful!
small, I haven’t seen you quoted at other sites. Not yet. LOL
I also like the buried threads. The trouble with e-mail before is that I sometimes didn’t check it, or the person I was sending an e-mail to didn’t check theirs. So we’d be having a conversation here thinking the other person had read the e-mail, when they hadn’t read it. Just for example.
And if we stay posting here, then other friendlies can read along.
November 11th, 2008 at 6:53 pm
and repeating.
November 11th, 2008 at 6:55 pm
AM, you didn’t offend me.
SM, you are a smart cookie!
-I can think of several good reasons for not allowing her to have email (if that’s true). I’m actually surprised they let her text.
-Check your emotions at the door.
-Look at the actions, not the words.
November 11th, 2008 at 6:55 pm
AM, I thought you were talking about others. And I can’t figure out who half the people are that are still posting there, anyways. Nobody is using their old monikers so it’s hard to tell.
November 11th, 2008 at 6:56 pm
Steel. I gave up on hushmail. My real email is out there to a few and its one I access daily.
I really hated hiding and also .. it messed things up. aw, I took the risk, ended up mailing Tapatio Sauce to gi (I laughed all the way and was laughed at and with at the Post Office) and have communicated with others more personally than was safe to do here.
That, IM, and myspace, have been a good and safe backup system to here.
November 11th, 2008 at 6:58 pm
For example, I and another had a disagreement that could have become ugly or embarrassing to the community.
How wonderful we talked about it offline. I know this person as a deeper person now than I had…but moreso we spared the community.
November 11th, 2008 at 6:59 pm
Thank MH. Hug.
Just my mood today I guess but thank you.
November 11th, 2008 at 7:06 pm
I may just stick to here for now, until I get some kind of system figured out. I ended up sending out an e-mail from my personal e-mail account that went to someone who I’m no longer speaking with (who shall remain unnamed). I haven’t seen my name and home address show up anywhere on-line…so far! LOL
But it was someone who I thought I could trust…at the time.
Ah, I guess we’ve all had those kinds of experiences…
November 11th, 2008 at 7:11 pm
Ditto Steel.
Some of you may just have to be more vigilant as to the board.
Even when he did come and talk it was a surprise but we had been alerted — which is to say the others were not, i.e., the media or unworthies such as pureed pumpkin.
It was very nice. It was intimate. It felt lucky. It felt caring. Just known people.
p.s. If my name and address show up, I have her real name too. I think she thought I was going to be easier to work.
November 11th, 2008 at 7:14 pm
Steel, when you are finishing your current project.
I have revisions to do. I’m a little scared. I haven’t finished or polished anything in awhile.
Also the bug to keep writing what is new is there rather than to go back and polish… I realize in writing that that polishing is exactly what I need to do.
November 11th, 2008 at 7:17 pm
AM, I don’t think we’re talking about the same person. Actually, I’m pretty sure we’re not!
November 11th, 2008 at 7:19 pm
MH, Don’t let the 97% average fool you! I got a 52% in grade 12 math and a 51% in grade 12 chemistry. The only reason I scored so high in grade 13 is that I loaded up on english and art classes!
November 11th, 2008 at 7:20 pm
ok got it Steel.
November 11th, 2008 at 7:23 pm
AM, Did you mean to say, “When are you finishing your current project?”
…I thought I’d be done three years ago. So I keep saying, “in a couple of months,” but it never seems to turn out that way.
November 11th, 2008 at 7:25 pm
Yes, that is what I meant to say. Thanks for the update.
November 11th, 2008 at 8:50 pm
“Steel_Magnolia Says:
November 11th, 2008 at 5:05 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
November 11th, 2008 at 5:01 pm
I’m still trying to understand “subject to undue influences” and no change in status.
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…I took that to mean, “We caught her texting with sketchy people like that Ghalib fellow.”
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I think they don’t want Britney get involved in the Madonna divorce buissness. Friendship make people stand up for eatch other, and Britney, I think, is such a person.
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“Steel_Magnolia Says:
November 11th, 2008 at 6:13 pm
Okay, to put it this way…
Amapola always used to comment about how all the “leaks” stopped once the C-Ship went into place. But lately there have been more and more leaks from “friends” or “sources.”
Who is doing this? And why is it happening?”
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Hey! I have not read the article, but could it not just be that there is NO leak at all, its just fictional, mad-up lies?
After seeing the documentary about Lee Atwaters way of doing his “job”, I see most in the media as made-up lies.
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“MH Says:
November 11th, 2008 at 6:55 pm
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-Look at the actions, not the words.”
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Thats way I belive in Adnan.
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I have read 95% of the “new” comments.
It have been a very busy day for me, and I´m very statisfied and very tired.
I will try to find this article in L&F tomorrow.
Hope Britney and her kids get theme some fine days at her hometown (they shall be there for a week?)
November 11th, 2008 at 9:12 pm
Ama, from wikipedia, as to what we may identify as undue influence:
“Undue influence (as a term in jurisprudence) is an equitable doctrine that involves one person taking advantage of a position of power over another person. It is where free will to bargain is not possible.”
So who are these undue influences who have power over Britney?
November 11th, 2008 at 9:16 pm
And MH? Leave emotion out the door? I mean nothing but good will but to say this is not a business or professional room.
Ronnie has just as much emotion as any of us. Maybe sometimes our emotions get the better of us and fights or disagreements ensue but .. if I can’t react here or show emotion, like being ticked off by those stupid ideas put out by E! ..
Name a non-professional community that lacks emotion. I understand your “logic” but not sure it works here.
November 11th, 2008 at 9:19 pm
SM, my comment had nothing to do with your schooling. lol
Some of your insights, reading between the lines, plain old common sense and stuff like that is what I saw.
November 11th, 2008 at 9:30 pm
AM, The emotions comment has to do with the research part. It’s not about how much emotion you show here or venting about what you think is unjust or whatever else.
What I’m saying is… you are putting a lot of effort into the research part and I’m just throwing out the reminder to keep emotions out of it for the sake of more accurate results.
November 11th, 2008 at 9:35 pm
“Amethyst Mine Says:
November 11th, 2008 at 9:12 pm Ama, from wikipedia, as to what we may identify as undue influence:
“Undue influence (as a term in jurisprudence) is an equitable doctrine that involves one person taking advantage of a position of power over another person. It is where free will to bargain is not possible.”
So who are these undue influences who have power over Britney?”
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AM
As I see it, they, the lawyers, the judge, the court, all juridic persons involved, I dont know who, dicided to use the term “undue influence”, They for sure have carfully choice it, as is is polysemous, and that, this people, working with the law, love LOVE L O V E!!!
So it can be as I think, dont say be so, just think. The term was usefull, as an excuse for what I suggested in the comment before.
Maybe a lot of wrong spellings…
God Night AM, I have to sleep now.
November 11th, 2008 at 9:48 pm
Amapola Says:
November 11th, 2008 at 8:50 pm
Hey! I have not read the article, but could it not just be that there is NO leak at all, its just fictional, mad-up lies?
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That’s a VERY good possibility.
November 11th, 2008 at 9:49 pm
I ‘think’ I follow you MH and I appreciate it. Gov. Palin had some interesting things to say about the media here: http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/11/11/palin_why_we_lost.html?hpid=topnews
Ama. I beg the question that wouldn’t they have had to show or prove or display evidence of “undue influence?” … oh heck. Maybe they just bring in expert testimony of Inghram and members of the psych team?
It must have been a blow to hear the word “permanent” in any event. I don’t know.
November 11th, 2008 at 9:49 pm
p.s. good night.
November 11th, 2008 at 9:56 pm
MH Says:
November 11th, 2008 at 9:30 pm
What I’m saying is… you are putting a lot of effort into the research part and I’m just throwing out the reminder to keep emotions out of it for the sake of more accurate results.
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This is actually very helpful to us!
We tend to get rolling on things, and the next thing you know, we’re either ganging up on someone (e.g. Grossman or K-Fed or Jamie) or getting into little cat fights amongst ourselves. But when we’re calm and cool, we get things DONE! We have a great combination of people here, with all different viewpoints, so it’s a good system of checks and balances. Some of us are more emotional, some more analytical, some have knowledge about the media or law, and others have more “life experience.”
…So it’s good to have someone remind us to stay focused if we’re going to share research. It keeps us sharp and on our toes!
November 11th, 2008 at 10:07 pm
MH Says:
November 11th, 2008 at 9:19 pm
SM, my comment had nothing to do with your schooling. lol
Some of your insights, reading between the lines, plain old common sense and stuff like that is what I saw.
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Okay, I’ve got to give credit here to one of my clients. Actually, I work for him full time right now, so he’s technically my boss. Kinda.
Anyways, he’s a lawyer in a social justice law firm. And my goodness, that man is brilliant! He has this ability to – as you have suggested – remove emotion out of things and cut straight to the core of whatever problem we’re trying to solve. He’ll take a problem, and instead of looking at it in a chronological way (so to speak), like everyone else, he’ll flip it around and look at it from angles that I never would’ve thought of.
Some of his methods have probably rubbed off on me, because I don’t think I looked at things the same way a couple of years ago. It’s been a great learning experience.
November 11th, 2008 at 10:09 pm
I think my boss would be shaking his head right now if he knew where I spent my spare time! LOL
November 11th, 2008 at 10:15 pm
AM, It’s also good to use your emotions sometimes…or what I’d call your “gut instinct” or “intuition.”
My gut is telling me to spend my spare time here…That there’s something fishy going on that I could be helping to figure out.
…Or my gut could just be telling me to quit eating so many donuts and to quit drinking so many Coronas. I can’t figure out which.
November 11th, 2008 at 11:00 pm
Just dump the donut. Keep the Coronas.
Only way Britney will be heard is if someone goes to court and speaks for her. Someone who knows her personally. Someone who’s been there and been listening to her. Someone thats knows all the things that’s been happening to her. Someone who’s no affraid. Someone who’s willing to go on a limb for her. Someone who will break the confedentiality agreement that was signed. That someone may never come. Adnan might fit this bill but will only come out as a villen in the eyes of the majority. They helped shape him that way. Thats too bad. So who will it be?
AM, sorry for the long smoke break. Picked up the medicinal kind by ‘accident’.
If you know a ‘Lawyer’ or a ‘Judge’ that specializes in this. Go ahead and asked them what I just stated.
November 11th, 2008 at 11:15 pm
Keeping her from anyone outside their circle is in the best interest of the conservatorship. E-mail is a bad idea for the C-ship team. MH, why are you so surprise about letting her have a phone and texting?
Texting is her only way of communicating and having privacy at the same time. I dont know about you folks but this is no gut feeling. This is simple logic.
Having a conversation on a phone with bodyguards and assistants that tells daddy Spears everything would be a bad idea for her. Me even posting this might be a bad idea for Britney. If a lerk reads this and brings it about their team then I guess maybe they might take the phone away. But taking her phobe away will violate the rights of the conservatee. But who’s going to stop them. They have the best PR and spin doctor britney’s money can buy. Using for her or against her is not in her power. Thats the amazing part.
Have fun with it and ask an Attorney if I’m making any sense here. Maybe I’m just too stoned and just typing out my @ss….
November 11th, 2008 at 11:17 pm
lol MT. lol and thanks. And thanks for the serious too.
Larry? You think he’s laying low Mark? You think he’s a candidate?
November 11th, 2008 at 11:17 pm
Okay, I’ll keep the Coronas…and maybe a few Timbits.
Reading between the lines here…
It’s not a good idea to break a confidentiality agreement. I imagine there would be certain legal ramifications to that.
But here’s a question…How do we know that that would really be good for her anyways? To the outside world, it appears she’s been showing great progress. That the current situation is GOOD for her.
Just playing Devil’s Advocate here…I’m not arguing either way.
November 11th, 2008 at 11:19 pm
You remember what I said about knights? I love those who can play two at the same time. It’s the most exciting.
I think I picked some medicinal myself yesterday.
November 11th, 2008 at 11:20 pm
The rook rarely sees them and is too heavy to move.
November 11th, 2008 at 11:25 pm
MT, you’re making perfect sense if she no longer requires the C-Ship. If it’s being unnecessarily extended, if you will.
My gut tells me that if she’s well enough for live TV performances, and that a company is willing to insure her so she can tour, then she’s well enough to do away with the C-Ship. But maybe that’s just me.
November 11th, 2008 at 11:31 pm
…It’s not a good idea to break a confidentiality agreement. I imagine there would be certain legal ramifications to that. …
It’s called self-sacrifice and a gamble.
What in world do you think knights do?
(think Medieval… think horse .. think exceptional skill .. human fallibility .. not in absolute control… think aloneness ..think .. learn the game please — there is no other piece that can move like a horse. They are fascinating to the mind who has the dimension to play. The castle knows all of this but is heavy.)
November 11th, 2008 at 11:36 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
November 11th, 2008 at 11:31 pm
I imagine there would be certain legal ramifications to that. … It’s called self-sacrifice and a gamble.
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I think what MT might be getting at is that anyone who is willing to do that will be crucified by the masses. Our friend (the one I’ve yet to meet…LOL) has already been through enough. If you catch my drift?
November 11th, 2008 at 11:40 pm
To clarify my last post…Remember our conversations about her fans having a “false sense of ownership” over her? They don’t want to see our friend (or anyone else) step in. Having their album and their tour is more important to them. Or so it seems sometimes.
November 11th, 2008 at 11:41 pm
Steel. I wish you played chess.
November 11th, 2008 at 11:42 pm
Me too.
You’ve probably already told me this but…Is there more than one Knight on the board?
November 11th, 2008 at 11:44 pm
lol MT let me catch up.
November 11th, 2008 at 11:44 pm
Yep…”Two at the same time.”
I think I might have taken too many smoke breaks myself.
November 11th, 2008 at 11:53 pm
What’s interesting Steel is that on my kitchen table Britney is not on the board, she’s up for grabs.
That’s a pity.
November 11th, 2008 at 11:54 pm
MT, I would think you were out to lunch if I didn’t see a pattern here. But I DO see a pattern. And that’s the part that scares me.
It scares me because ol’ Suppository Sam told the exact same story. Jordan at BH told the exact same story. (I wonder if he was contacted by lawyers, asking him to remove the patch over Brit’s mouth?) And a year ago, I hated the two of them.
Rolling Stone and Blender told the same kind of story. And to me, Brit’s own actions leading up to the 5150’s told the same story.
Ama has kindly reminded me that it is childish to think that she should fight with her parents forever. And she’s RIGHT. But at the same time, I’m seeing a lot of evidence that this is all going in a funky direction.
November 11th, 2008 at 11:56 pm
Steel. It is really fun to have two knights going at the same time against the other side.
If they are both in play … then the castles are possibly shrouded.
This is my hope in the possible knight I just mentioned. Larry. Afterall he was as robbed as anyone.
November 11th, 2008 at 11:58 pm
Larry…Do explain.
November 11th, 2008 at 11:59 pm
Don’t you think that at one time he was “special” in her life?
That all went to the side huh.
Steel — there are four knights, just to be clear but I doubt the other side still has two.
November 11th, 2008 at 11:59 pm
You play Euchre up there?
November 12th, 2008 at 12:00 am
Hmm…I think Larry has always been on the side of Ma and Pa.
I’m just basing that on what I’ve read.
November 12th, 2008 at 12:01 am
MT. I think you would like Euchre.
Steel you will have to figure out Larry and knight on your own.
Do not think romantic knight.
November 12th, 2008 at 12:02 am
Up there?! LOL
Nah, I’m more into drunken horseshoes.
November 12th, 2008 at 12:02 am
Ma and Pa.. what of now? He followed mom and pop and all he got was hatred from his special Britney.
November 12th, 2008 at 12:03 am
Okay. No romance.
In fact, I HATE romance!
November 12th, 2008 at 12:03 am
But now he’s sitting alongside her at dance auditions.
November 12th, 2008 at 12:04 am
I meant Canada.
aw, Larry is a thinker? An individual? A man?
I think he has it in him, maybe. Do you play Euchre?
November 12th, 2008 at 12:04 am
I think MT would like this game very much.
November 12th, 2008 at 12:05 am
I knew what you meant. It just gave me a funny mental picture for a moment, that’s all.
I don’t play Euchre. I used to be on the Cribbage Club back in grade six…But I’m easy to skunk nowadays.
November 12th, 2008 at 12:06 am
As to knight Steel, I am asking you to let go of romantic notions and see a knight for what they were.
Strategic. Highly skilled. On the forefront. And extremely flexible or agile if you prefer.
November 12th, 2008 at 12:08 am
Okay, this has given me something to chew on for a bit.
I need to go take care of some business, but will check in after a bit. Maybe I’ll have a brainwave of some sort. If I’m lucky.
November 12th, 2008 at 12:19 am
Another possibility is to send a pond across.
November 12th, 2008 at 12:33 am
Yes. Steel. Thank you. The origins of the game and all. The possibility to communicate through it.
I am waiting to hear if MT’s board looks at all like mine.
If the pond gets through…or the knights team or don’t team but act in alliance…
tricky tricky
I guess you know what side I am going with: Time to end c-ship.
A nod to Mark and a little medicinal.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5G2LtPvPemw
November 12th, 2008 at 12:34 am
I wonder what Madonna thought of the situation?
I was wondering why she was yelling, “F@ck you! And f@ck you, too!” into the mic when Brit was on stage with her.
I thought it must have made Pa Spears’ eyes roll back in his head to hear that. Especially with Brit dressed so prim and proper, standing beside her.
November 12th, 2008 at 12:34 am
Mark? Do you think the media can help?
November 12th, 2008 at 12:35 am
Geez Steel .. back off from the medicinal. Madonna has her own issues. Maybe I should go back and watch but it seemed Madonna was living her own issues.
November 12th, 2008 at 12:36 am
The whole song is about that. I think. But Britney relates or Madonna thinks she can is does?
November 12th, 2008 at 12:40 am
I think Madonna swears because it makes the audience go wild. And because she can. And because Brit was dressed so prim and proper and she thought she needed to loosen up and be wild.
I was just thinking along the lines that, if Brit really wanted help, she’s got people in high places who she can talk to.
November 12th, 2008 at 12:50 am
To me, it seemed to be a long time between the time that Brit started to slide steeply downhill (once Lutfi was in charge) and the time that the legitimate media (e.g. Rolling Stone, Blender) started to take notice of the situation.
I’m waiting to see how long it takes the legitimate media (vs. the tabloids) to catch on here as well.
It seems to me that it will only be then that the idea of the C-Ship will start to be questioned in the minds of the public.
November 12th, 2008 at 12:52 am
Does she get to talk to them Steel? Really? Without anyone around? Who does she trust? What does she do when she has a stolen moment? shit?
And what can Madonna do for her other than what she has done? Contributed to her revenue and to Brit’s .. and to show the world something in her way but it’s not enough Steel.
What makes you think Britney has anyone to talk to? Where is there a peer or trust psychologist (not psychiatrist)? Where is anyone who has been through it? Madonna can tell her f that shyt when it comes to the church etc. but …
You’ll have to tell me/us what Madonna does when you go to see her in concert. I doubt her extra f’u had anything to do with Britney and everything to do with herself plus women.
You are funny how you wax and wane in your thoughts and feelings. Perhaps I am too. Oh probably very much.
November 12th, 2008 at 12:56 am
Steel. Please chime in under the latest post about K-Fed.
.. did Kaplan play a high road and a low road today?
November 12th, 2008 at 12:56 am
Frances Farmer lost half her brain.
November 12th, 2008 at 12:57 am
She threw in a few “motherf’ers” when I saw her. But didn’t swear AT the audience. She moreso swore WITH them. If that makes sense.
I didn’t notice that I waxed and waned…I think I’m just undecided about all of this. I’m still kind of collecting information in my brain…Not seeing it in black and white, but in shades of gray.
November 12th, 2008 at 1:00 am
By her mother’s signature. Oh that sounds cruel.
By the state’s signature.
MT, I wish I was someone who could go to bat for Britney. Alas, .. I am just someone. Who can write. In the most innocent of worlds. Academia. If I can do it in academia though… oh nah it’ll never work in time.
failure .. unless you think it can be done?
November 12th, 2008 at 1:02 am
ok Steel. Got’cha. How as the concert?
November 12th, 2008 at 1:03 am
You really think she and A-Rod are doing it?
November 12th, 2008 at 1:10 am
I wouldn’t be shocked if she and A-Rod were doing it, that’s for sure. I never knew how Guy put up with her that long to begin with!
The concert itself was pretty good. I kind of ruined it for myself by watching most of it on YouTube beforehand. But there were some pretty cool numbers that I hadn’t seen. (”Devil Wouldn’t Recognize You” was particularly cool.) She had these two back-up dancers that did these minute little movements in unison, and they were just jaw-dropping, along with her DJ, who warmed up the crowd. And she is in AMAZING shape. Better than when I saw her seven or eight years ago. Wow.
November 12th, 2008 at 1:16 am
Going night night Steel. Soon anyway.
Goodnight MT. Wish you were here. Oh fah-get about the chess board.
Steel. Do you understand what it is to send a pond across the board?
November 12th, 2008 at 1:19 am
oops.
Ama. I posted one of the first performances of The Police and Message in a Bottle.
November 12th, 2008 at 1:24 am
Send more music Mark.
November 12th, 2008 at 2:47 am
Steel_Magnolia Says:
My gut tells me that if she’s well enough for live TV performances, and that a company is willing to insure her so she can tour, then she’s well enough to do away with the C-Ship. But maybe that’s just me.
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It isn’t just you Steel. I always look at the legal definition of a c-ship, and it doesn’t fit the bill in my opinion.
November 12th, 2008 at 2:50 am
Steel_Magnolia Says:
To clarify my last post…Remember our conversations about her fans having a “false sense of ownership” over her? They don’t want to see our friend (or anyone else) step in. Having their album and their tour is more important to them. Or so it seems sometimes.
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It isn’t “sometimes”, it’s all the time. Britney should post a poll on her website and ask her fans who she should date and then follow through with who they want to see her with. They would love that.
November 12th, 2008 at 3:47 am
The knights are at work Amethyst.
And you are wrong AM. Britney is not up for grabs. She’s fighting along side them.
Once again,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y72jRaoRvHs
Good Night Good People
November 12th, 2008 at 9:15 am
My, MT, you’re a nighhawk.
So I’m checking in at BH and noticed two things:
1/ Brit’s fans are NOT happy with the new promo pictures. Somebody hired a BAD Photoshopper, and people are starting to notice. Good.
2/ Who got invited to do the photos for the rumoured OK! photoshoot in Kentwood?
November 12th, 2008 at 9:23 am
MARK TWAIN Says:
November 12th, 2008 at 3:47 am
Britney is not up for grabs. She’s fighting along side them.
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I never got the opinion that Britney was a victim. I always got the opinion she was just too strong-willed for her own good, and that’s what got her into trouble. That she has the right intentions, but picks the wrong methodology?
I hope this time, if this is what she wants, things are done right. Smartly. Quietly. In front of the camera lens and documented, but using the right tools at her disposal. If that makes any sense?
November 12th, 2008 at 9:36 am
3) Do pap agencies get invited to take photos of Jamie Lynne, and then, “Oops!”, there’s Britney and her boys, there with them? What a co-incidence?!
Geez, I hope that’s not going on…
November 12th, 2008 at 9:59 am
4) I would think her access to her boys is paramount in all of this. To me, nothing is more important than maintaining that, at this point.
November 12th, 2008 at 11:39 am
Got it Mark x3. Thank you. Sometimes I think the parallel knight is JFX. I then reason however who might have enough power as a knight to surprise the other side.
Thou art a master chess player.
November 12th, 2008 at 11:45 am
Steel. Can you explain to me between the cover and the promo what the message is? I can’t quite cipher this “new” image. I wish they would quit bending her head down or to the side or whatever.
I prefer provocative or letting her shine in full head on glory. I do not understand the current branding.
If BH’s poll is close to accurate 60% of their posters don’t get it or like it either.
November 12th, 2008 at 11:50 am
To me, the new brand is the old brand – as if they’re trying to say, “She’s back! She’s the same Britney you fell in love with in 1999.”
Unfortunately, it’s 2008. So that requires a lot of airbrushing.
November 12th, 2008 at 11:53 am
She’s almost 27, with a lot more life experience under her belt. With other artists, they’d play that up – capitalize on it.
But that’s not a proven money-making formula, so I’m guessing they’re trying to conform to what they KNOW will work.
November 12th, 2008 at 12:07 pm
What’s the word on the photo Op SM? Is it just like I said or is it something else?
November 12th, 2008 at 12:10 pm
I’m thinking if this is her last album with Jive, then they’re just going to go for the gold and milk this album for all it’s worth.
But in a sense, that’s cool with me. After everything that’s happened over the last couple of years, her fortune has dwindled quite a bit. There’s been a lot of lawsuits, and a lot of lawyers’ bills. Plus, there’s that $17-million audit with Jive (I’m not sure who owes who – if Jive owes her, or she owes Jive, or if someone owes the IRS.) So all the work she’s doing right now is probably going towards helping dig herself out from all of that.
November 12th, 2008 at 12:12 pm
Ohh, just to let you guys in on a secret. Ronnie has been gone since last Wednesday. He wont be back till Monday. He’s on vacation and he left his work phone in the office. My little ‘homeboys’ let me in on it. so I’m free for a bit so lets get it on! Haha..
With thats new SM, It is a good morning. The chess board will definately change by the end of this week.
November 12th, 2008 at 12:17 pm
Well, I noticed that one set of photos was done by Splash. There’s a new set on BH – not sure who they’re by. But they’re shot from a distance…they must be the ones from Papa.
I guess we’ll have to wait for the next issue of OK! to see who got the photos set up by Mama.
November 12th, 2008 at 12:18 pm
Apparently the OK! photoshoot was put off because of JJ getting sick. If they re-schedule the shoot, it will be within the next two weeks.
November 12th, 2008 at 12:21 pm
So the board will change by the end of the week…Interesting.
We’ll have to wait and see, eh?
November 12th, 2008 at 12:25 pm
One thought…If the board is going to change, and it involves the law…
One thing I’ve learned over the past couple of years is to document EVERYTHING. Write it down. Take photocopies. Take photos, video. Make copies of those, and store them in separate locations.
Things tend to disappear when the law gets involved.
November 12th, 2008 at 12:25 pm
They have to re schedule. The value of the images that Jamie Spears pap agency will loose it’s value. Plus the news of Jayden getting sick and going to the hospital gives the photos even more value in the pap trade. We should all celebrate. Just like what Michael Douglas said, ‘Greed Is Good’. Daddy Spears is starting to show his true colors. Get ready good people, the real revolution is about to begin.
November 12th, 2008 at 12:26 pm
Hi Mark. I knew. I wanted to give you the green light but … it wasn’t mine to do. I hoped you’d keep testing the waters.
You were at your best though or happiest I think as a Muskateer. I still think you are one ….
I’m off to school in fifteen.
Steel – I think she looks like a doll or mannequin. She does NOT look like the old brand to me but I defer to your experience.
I am glad you are here Mark. It sucks not having a smoke buddy.
Plus I love sharing Coronas with you guys but there’s the inevitable having to go smoke by myself outside.
November 12th, 2008 at 12:30 pm
Steel. Now I hear Lou’s voice. http://www.okmagazine.com/news/view/10226
November 12th, 2008 at 12:32 pm
AM, I think she looks like a doll or mannequin, too. You certainly don’t need experience of any kind to see that. In one sense it fits, because there’s a song on the album called, “Mannequin,” but at the same time, they need to hire a new graphic artist. The hat and the mole look like they’ve been picked out of Clipart.
…Actually, it reminds me of those little paper dolls I had as a kid. The ones where you could change their paper clothes, and fold the tabs over to keep them in place.
Maybe that’s the look they’re going for?
November 12th, 2008 at 12:33 pm
Oh and if you’re wondering whether Britney watches TV or reads the tabloids etc.?
Back in 2001 Lynne told Britney’s bodyguard to keep any kind of negative press away from her.
Britney had read a mean-spirited article criticizing her for a few pounds she had gained.
I believe in Mark.
November 12th, 2008 at 12:36 pm
I’ll try to pick up a new OK tomorrow. Ronnie’s not the only one out of town. So is my spouse.
Not that I couldn’t buy OK or other but he would roll his eyes.
November 12th, 2008 at 12:37 pm
Maybe I should have said you were a more overt Muskateer — now you’ve gone rogue. lol
November 12th, 2008 at 12:39 pm
Steel. Jordan added the mole. He says that at the bottom of his post.
There’s just so much makeup … Paps take much better pics than what we’re being offered. Mark what’s she look like to you?
I am off ’til lunch time.
November 12th, 2008 at 12:40 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
November 12th, 2008 at 12:30 pm
Steel. Now I hear Lou’s voice. http://www.okmagazine.com/news/view/10226
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First, notice that Federline’s camp says that JJ, “had a sensitivity to shellfish in the past.” I imagine they’re going to revisit this statement sometime in the future if the custody battle ever starts to re-brew.
Second, do we know how long Lou has been in this role? I imagine either her, or someone like her, has been the go-between for the Spears and the media for quite some time. I also imagine that Lou played a big role in the wording of Mama’s book.
November 12th, 2008 at 12:42 pm
Thank goodness about the mole. I didn’t see that note – I was too busy taking the poll.
November 12th, 2008 at 12:43 pm
Ginsburg/Spaly Inc.
Check out the Sept 29th issue 39 Glossy mags. All the clues are starting to unravel. I just hope someone have been paying attention.
November 12th, 2008 at 12:54 pm
Hmm…
Does one agency (e.g. G/S) get tipped and then the rest (e.g. Splash) follow? Or are multiple agencies being tipped?
Sept. 29th issues…Will try to track those down and check it out.
November 12th, 2008 at 1:17 pm
Daddy Spears cookie jar SM.
There is not tip. Everyone knew that they were out to Kentwood last week. There also other pap agency already in kentwood working on jamie Lynn Spears on a daily.
Getting the exclusive shots is the most important and guess who’s going to get them. G/S Inc, daddy’s little helpers.
November 12th, 2008 at 1:26 pm
Ah, I guess that’s what I was wondering – how one agency got the exclusives over another. I was wondering if Daddy called up more than one.
That’s really no different than what Lutfi was doing. Kinda. Difference here being that she’s in a much better “place” than she was then.
There are other stars that are doing this, too. Heidi & Spencer (if you want to call them stars)…Nicole and whatshisname.
But here’s a question…Does Brit realize he’s doing this? Does she WANT him to be doing this? Or is it beyond her control?
Questions, questions, questions…LOL
November 12th, 2008 at 2:13 pm
SM, you’re asking the right questions. Heidi & Spencer are paid by the photo agency they call. That deal is worked out and people are paid. Now the question with Daddy Spears is who’s getting paid. Is the conservatee being exploited by the conservator. The law states that the conservator may have extra income as long as it has nothing to do with the conservatee. Meaning that daddy spears may not profit off of Britney because his job and his salary is specified under the court order. The problem with the courts is that they granrted the man the conservatorship because he is the father. He’s given way too much because of good faith. Thats the failure of the court. So who to say that Daddy spears is not profitting from these “Photo Ops’, exploiting the very person he’s suppose to be protecting. What is his deal with Gisnburg/Spaly.
I dont undserstand where you get this pretence of safe invirorment. More than likely if they are asked the question by the court, (lets just say people are actually poaying attention,) What you just said is their ticket out.
there is no safe invirorment. Weather the pap took it with permission from the private compound or the uncle snapped it does not justify the motive of exploitation or profiting from the conservatee.
now when you step outside your property, it’s fair game. Them shooting the images themselves does not make the paparazzi go away.
Spencer and britney is like comparing apples and oranges.
November 12th, 2008 at 2:26 pm
Okay, just trying to wrap my head around this with my questions.
I understand why the law would say a Conservator cannot profit off of the Conservatee. On a smaller scale, outside of Hollywood, it would prevent those who are “gravely disabled” from being taken advantage of through things like, e.g. prostitution.
I think Hollywood might be what is skewing people’s perceptions of this. If we were to take this case and transplant it into, e.g. a small town in Idaho, suddenly things would look a lot different.
And yes, comparing Spencer and Britney is like comparing apples and oranges. More like pineapple vs. rotten bananas.
November 12th, 2008 at 2:48 pm
It sickens me that this past weekend was going to be exploited.
Deep down, I knew it would be, but wish I had been wrong.
Will the other pap agencies, that aren’t being given exclusives, ever band together and expose what is going on? Call out Jamie Spears…
I wish media would go beyond the surface of what they see and do some research. Everything has a story. Even when Britney was going through her worst time, there was always a deeper story if anyone ever bothered to look.
MT, thank you for the youtube link. I like the song
November 12th, 2008 at 2:48 pm
So, drilling down a bit here…
How might it be possible to prove that the funds are going to “Daddy Inc.” and not to “Daughter Inc.”?
I would think with all the lawyers at their disposal that they’d be smart enough to keep things going into the proper bank account.
November 12th, 2008 at 2:52 pm
Ok now lets just say that these photos generates about 200 grand and some change depending on the images. You are going to tell me that Daddy Spears gave this images to G/S for the love of love.
G/S are stringers with X17 agency. These cat wont know what to do without francois Naverre. Next thing you know out of the blue they are Ginsburg/Spaly Inc specializing in Britney Exclusive which can generate them Half a million a month to a million or more just depending on the images and the stroy?
Question is where do Papa Spears fit in this equation. Papa Spears is no rock when it comes to money. Him getting the courts to pay him $2500 a week shows you how smart or how much he outsmated them. Now you are going to tell me that with all that money generating from these pap images that Papa Spears dont get a cut. Rumors on the street is that G/S CEO is no other than Jamie Spears.
It would really be disturbing if daddy Spears allowed these fake paps stuff of Britney and Jayden James. That would be exploitation even his greed cannot resist but then again he is a rock. he does try to work outside the rooks because then again he is the king.
Would you like to have Britney in your pocket? Extending or keeping the conservatorship permanent for a while profitable?
Does soemone thinks thatthey have done such a great job that they deserve more? Is it OK to profit on the side?
Now you are asking if Britney knows this or likes this.
Do you want my answer or hers?
November 12th, 2008 at 2:54 pm
Who’s checking… These photo Ops have been going on for quite sometime now. Maybe the OK magazine deal. but the pap stuff is the one that speaks for itself. it has that sneak to it if you know what I mean.
November 12th, 2008 at 2:56 pm
And at this point, is there much of a difference between “Daddy Inc.” and “Mummy Inc.” and “Daughter Inc.”?
It reminds me a bit of how Madonna’s brother Christopher keeps writing books about her, and attempting to make money off of the fact that he’s her sibling.
This case is much different, though, in the fact that Christopher was never in a position of power over Madonna. She always had the upper hand.
November 12th, 2008 at 2:58 pm
Listen, I konw I’m taking advantage of ronnie bein out but I do have work. So I will have to get back in a few hours.
Just think bout it. it’s enough to start asking question. Problem with the court is like I said. they gave them too much because he was the father. The court themselves have no clue to their prior relationship. Thats too much faith and good will. thats the biggest mistake specially with person like Britney Spears. It aint no Idaho.
November 12th, 2008 at 2:59 pm
I noticed that the bylines on the photos always said, “G/S-Splash,” or “G/S-X17.” They’ve been around since at least 2007, since they have a rinky dink blog with that date on it. At least.
November 12th, 2008 at 3:01 pm
Is the conservator in violation? That is the question.
It’s 11am PST. I’ll be back soon.
Great day Steel
November 12th, 2008 at 3:03 pm
Yes, I’ve also got places to see, people to do.
Or something like that.
Will keep my thinking hat for a while. Bye for now, MT. And small. And whoever else is out there in cyber space.
November 12th, 2008 at 3:13 pm
Has anyone ever wondered if Jamie Spears continues to support his ex-wife? Does he give her money on the side? She doesn’t work. Where does she get her money? *cough* selling out her daughters*cough* We all know that, but how much does she get from Jamie? Jamie Lynn was/is still a minor, so I wonder how much he’s contributed to her upbringing. Or because she had the show, he never contributed? Lynne flys back and forth to be with both daughters, who pays for that?
I was giving papa the benefit of the doubt because under his watch, Britney has gotten better, but is she really able to be who she wants to be? I had read a few months ago about papa controlling the images put out there of his daughter, but I never imagined him doing it to this extent.
All this keeps you thinking and thinking and thinking.
MT, what are your thoughts on Larry Rudolph? What’s his role in all this and is he in totatl agreement with what is being done? I’d really like to know your thoughts about that. I’m really wondering if I’ve been wrong about him. I always thought he was part of the problem, and I’m not really sure anymore where he stands. Could he be of help to Britney at all? By help, I mean, is he there for Britney and can Britney trust him, OR, is going along with whatever her parents say/want?
November 12th, 2008 at 3:18 pm
“MT
So who to say that Daddy spears is not profitting from these “Photo Ops’, exploiting the very person he’s suppose to be protecting.”
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Who to say he´s NOT at all profitting????
November 12th, 2008 at 3:49 pm
Let me get my bra off and sweat pants on and see if I can “pay attention.”
November 12th, 2008 at 3:55 pm
AM, I’m glad you added the part about the sweatpants. LOL
November 12th, 2008 at 4:05 pm
MT appears to be questioning if Daddy is getting a cut of this:
“The Paparazzi
A Britney photo garners anywhere from $250 (for a run-of-the-mill shot of her at Starbucks) to $100,000 or more. The photo agency X17, which has a team trailing her 24-7, estimates that Britney accounts for 30 percent of its revenue: It sold $2.5 million worth of Britney photos in 2007 alone, including $500,000 for its exclusive Bald Britney pics. Competitor Splash News says that Britney accounts for 10 to 15 percent of its business, boosted this year by $200,000 for photos of Britney in a hot tub. All told, Britney probably makes up a full 20 percent of the paparazzi business.
Estimated average annual take: $4 million”
http://www.entrepreneur.com/growyourbusiness/portfoliocombusinessnewsandopinion/article189432.html
If any of it is going in Brit’s pockets directly, with her knowledge, I’m all for it. It’s what MT is hinting at that kind of…raises eyebrows.
The entire article is worth a read. Mind boggling.
November 12th, 2008 at 4:17 pm
Steel. I agree about the shellfish… wonder who is supposedly “someone in Kevin Federline’s family?”
November 12th, 2008 at 4:24 pm
Steel. Did you read the article with Johnny Wright in mind? Also. Why wasn’t there an exhibit showing their arrangement through Feb 2008 with the original complaint?
I know I am a tad off topic but we have been able to multi-task well in the past.
November 12th, 2008 at 4:28 pm
AM, I’m loosing track of articles.
I know I went back and re-read an article from Sept. 29th on BH, in which it said the C-Ship was extended BECAUSE of the Wright case, and the questions that arose from it. I’m not sure if I’m reading it correctly. Or if it was printed correctly. But it sure gave me pause to think.
November 12th, 2008 at 4:32 pm
steel I am still looking for the glossy.
November 12th, 2008 at 4:33 pm
Now that I think I can find. But there is the question of issue 39.
November 12th, 2008 at 4:34 pm
Headlines at X17 were Lawyers want trial stopped, … Announcement of Britney going on World Tour as she announced on the radio in NYC .. 9/26 was Womanizer debut.
November 12th, 2008 at 4:50 pm
Okay, it might be just some inadvertent wording on behalf of AccessHollywood:
“LOS ANGELES, Calif. –A Los Angeles Judge today put off further discussion about when Britney Spears might resume her life, free of a court-ordered conservatorship.
The decision came as a result of a wrinkle that appeared in the case on Tuesday, revealing how Spears’ complex legal matters remain unresolved when she is not allowed to testify about them.”
http://www.accesshollywood.com/judge-postpones-decision-on-britney-spears-conservatorship_article_11904
November 12th, 2008 at 4:53 pm
Issue 39. Haven’t made it that far yet.
November 12th, 2008 at 5:20 pm
I got distracted by old Wright news. Validate my sanity? News of Final Judgment (2/14) never made the airways or that the case was “closed.” News that the case was reopened on 3/24 same thing.
4/29/08 ORDER VACATING DEFAULTS ON 12/18/07 & JUDGMENTS AS TO LIABILITY ON 2/14/08;
I’ll be back. I am trying to understand what went on between winning the case, then Notice of Production (to Zomba and to Signatures Network) and order to produce documents. These were done 2/14 so must have been important… and part of getting paid?
aw, I/we can explore another day. Sorry. Got off track (thanks for Steel
and BH)
November 12th, 2008 at 5:21 pm
Steel, Access doesn’t have glossies. Easy to get distracted.
November 12th, 2008 at 5:22 pm
Amapola Says:
November 12th, 2008 at 3:18 pm
Who to say he´s NOT at all profitting????
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I haven’t ruled out that possibility. Daddy was always the one in my good books. I’m hesitant to give up on him!
November 12th, 2008 at 5:22 pm
any votes on finding an older thread with zero traffic and faster load times?
November 12th, 2008 at 5:25 pm
This one IS getting slow on the loads.
November 12th, 2008 at 5:30 pm
Sex tape time too? Yes it was.
November 12th, 2008 at 5:45 pm
This is not an “issue” either but dang you Steel(smart smart girl), is it Lou?
http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b31553_britney_spears_no_sex_tape.html
No time? “The story is completely false,” the source tells E! News.
no sex tape — this was before Adnan spoke to Star I think and said the same. I am really glad he did that.
November 12th, 2008 at 5:45 pm
September 29, 2008 E!
November 12th, 2008 at 5:48 pm
Shall we wait til Mark comes back or make the switch, be open about where we went and move on? I’d hate to lose anybody along the way.
November 12th, 2008 at 5:50 pm
Everyone is looking at her family and how they could be profiting, but what’s Kevin’s role in all this? He has primary custody of these kids. He has to approve the photoshoots doesn’t he? If he is, is he also making money from all this too? Is his reason for “being more comfortable” with the c-ship in place because of money he could be making also? Maybe it’s not so much about the safety of the kids, but about the money he could also be making from all this.
God, do I sound crazy? Or am I thinking way too much?
November 12th, 2008 at 5:51 pm
Oh we’re moving to another thread?
November 12th, 2008 at 5:54 pm
http://www.jfxonline.com/tag/heath-ledger/
? I like Elvis plus a nod to Heath…
November 12th, 2008 at 5:54 pm
We could me to this thread, if you want?
http://www.jfxonline.com/jfxonline/2008/11/07/britney-gets-ready-to-leave-town-with-her-boys/#comments
November 12th, 2008 at 5:56 pm
Maybe I shouldn’t have said anything about moving…
November 12th, 2008 at 5:57 pm
You don’t like looking at Elvis small?
I think if stalkers haven’t already found us it’d be safest to choose a non-Brit thread that still means something to us?
November 12th, 2008 at 5:58 pm
small hands Says:
November 12th, 2008 at 5:50 pm
Everyone is looking at her family and how they could be profiting, but what’s Kevin’s role in all this? He has primary custody of these kids. He has to approve the photoshoots doesn’t he?
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I thought there was a line in the original divorce agreement about this. You could be on to something!
I’ll come find you…Wherever you are…
November 12th, 2008 at 6:01 pm
I love Heath Ledger! I want him to win an Oscar posthumously
he deserves it.
November 12th, 2008 at 6:05 pm
Yes, I was blown away by Heath in The Dark Knight. He took that movie to a whole other realm.
November 12th, 2008 at 6:09 pm
Wait for MT? Then decide?
I just cleaned my registry and rebooted the computer.
Night and day — fast again. I forget that searching around the Net adds loads of ad cookies and trackers.
November 12th, 2008 at 6:10 pm
I believe that K-Fed is a lesser player in all of this. Outside of Britney who would he have to clue him in on how it works or might work, for money?
November 12th, 2008 at 6:11 pm
any luck with Issue 39 aka the 39th week of the year 2008?
November 12th, 2008 at 6:11 pm
One thing is clear, someone really hate Jamie Spears enough to work this site.
Wonder when that hate started?
Its not Britneys best I find in the comments, even if it now and then are comment about Britneys best, most of all its an air of “take Jamie Spears done” and use all who can help in that mission.
I dont jump on that train.
I dont jump on that train.
And, again, I don’t know how many excuses, pleases, and scratching with the foot, who are needed, to not sound audacious, making anyone affended, filled in those missing words please.
(I will putt this comment on any new tread you maybe have started when I was written this comment, so you dont miss it ..
)
November 12th, 2008 at 6:12 pm
I agree. A lesser player. A playa, but a lesser playa.
Popazao!
November 12th, 2008 at 6:13 pm
Ama – anything wrong with being thorough?
November 12th, 2008 at 6:13 pm
Small was already over there…I like the photo there.
November 12th, 2008 at 6:13 pm
We can wait for MT to decide.
November 12th, 2008 at 6:14 pm
I think Mark will be able to find us. He seems like a swift enough type of fellow. LOL
November 12th, 2008 at 6:14 pm
LOL Steel. Popazao!
November 12th, 2008 at 6:15 pm
“Amethyst Mine Says:
November 12th, 2008 at 6:13 pm Ama – anything wrong with being thorough”
??????
November 12th, 2008 at 6:16 pm
Okay. Waiting. In the meantime…
I noticed that the “There Is No Sex Tape” story came out of NOWHERE…on September 29th. Coincidence?!
Anything else WITHIN the glossies that have to do with G/S?
November 12th, 2008 at 6:18 pm
Ama, if I ever question Jamie’s role in all this, it’s because of his past with Britney. They didn’t have a good relationship in the past. So yes I question it. I remember an interview she did yrs ago, maybe in Australia, where the interviewer asked if she missed home. She said yes, and how much she missed her mom, sister, and brother. She never mentioned her father, until the interviewer asked, “and your father”. And she said “oh yeah, him too”. I don’t think she missed him. That interview said a lot to me at the time. But nobody picked up on it.
November 12th, 2008 at 6:19 pm
Ama, every time we go out exploring, no matter the issue, we dredge up more facts to the case, like Johnny Wright for example and his own access to the press, and when he uses it.
We are scrutinizing Jamie Spears. I’m not sure when you missed that Mark was never on Jamie’s side.
Although Mark did soften his heart once and did consider other points of view, and most especially where some of the rest of us were coming from.
I respect Mark. I respect Ronnie. But I want to explore right now and I am willing to scrutinize many parties along the way.
There’s no direction Mark ever offered us that I didn’t learn more of the paparazzi world, a subculture that few know about.
I’m not so sure about peyote however.
November 12th, 2008 at 6:20 pm
I’m not good with the glossies stuff.
November 12th, 2008 at 6:21 pm
Whats so remarkeble that ” “There Is No Sex Tape” story came out of NOWHERE” appair..
The gossip sites are mostly living on Britney Spears, her kids, and all around her, and if there is a emptiness that week, they just make up a story and then make it from all sides.
Or what do you mean by week 39?
November 12th, 2008 at 6:21 pm
I’ll check back later. I have to go for now. I’ll look for you the the other threads
so feel free to move without me. I’ll find you.
November 12th, 2008 at 6:24 pm
AM
“I’m not sure when you missed that Mark was never on Jamie’s side.”
I have never missed that, but know its going over to be rediculios.
November 12th, 2008 at 6:24 pm
aaaah. A clean registry. This thread is posting FAST but I’ll go back and gaze upon Elvis and think about Heath …
Ama: Thorough. I’m proof proof and cross-proof girl remember?
I love exploring this stuff.
ok, Steel, so there is no sex tape was presumably Lou and yes, dear, I did yet again get off track without a G&S cross proof of something… As MH might say I’ll go in the corner and think about what I have done.
Dang that cracked me up.
November 12th, 2008 at 6:26 pm
small, I have ALWAYS thought this way about Mama. Always. But I never thought that way about Pa.
I do remember an interview she did for Chaotic, and her and Kevin were talking about their wedding day. The interviewer asked them about her family’s reaction and she lit up. And then the interviewer asked about her Dad’s reaction, and both her and Kevin got this strange look on their faces. Brit actually started to cry.
But other than that, I’ve always thought it was Mama and Jive and Larry she was running from (Vegas wedding until the 5150’s.) But now that it’s Pa who’s in charge, and I see her career going the way it was before – under the C-ship no less – I’m starting to understand what MT is getting at.
November 12th, 2008 at 6:26 pm
OK, I’m back for a bit. I forgot to post this
http://laineygossip.com/Britney_Spears_wants_to_move_back_to_Louisiana_to_just_be_a_mom.aspx?IsMicro=0
Very interesting read, if you want to believe any of it.
November 12th, 2008 at 6:27 pm
When MH said it I mean, months ago.
November 12th, 2008 at 6:29 pm
I remember that scene in Chaotic. I think she’s wanted some approval from her father and he has never given it to her. Or to be supportive. Something.
November 12th, 2008 at 6:31 pm
Great link small! I would have missed that one. It was so interesting … seemingly personal.
November 12th, 2008 at 6:33 pm
Well AM, thank BH, that’s where I found it, but I had forgotten to post it because I was searching for the thread we were moving to.
So how credible has laineygossip been in the past?
November 12th, 2008 at 6:33 pm
I just read that article at Lainey Gossip, and believe every word of it.
I can say I particularly agree about medications (e.g. for anxiety). My sister had to switch hers six different times before she hit on the right one, and MAN, did they ever make her a mess. Some made her completely lethargic, others disorientated. Both her and my Mom seem “different” on them. A little “flat.” Just not themselves. I can tell within a couple of hours if either of them have forgotten to take their medication – it affects their behaviour THAT much.
November 12th, 2008 at 6:35 pm
Ama, the archives are there. I was one of the ones to jump on Mark in the early days (and lol in many ways .. oh well I was a jackass but I understand why — I look back and forgive myself .. ah dear) about Jamie.
What is interesting Ama is talk on the street. I hope you did not miss what Mark was saying is on paparazzi’s minds and their theories.
Why shouldn’t we know? Was not part of the intent of this board, JFX, to enlighten (educate) some of the public about the pap world?
November 12th, 2008 at 6:35 pm
“small hands Says:
November 12th, 2008 at 6:18 pm”
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You don’t have to be in quarrel the whole life with a person from your family, just because you once have been in a quarrel..
People talk about them, as they know why and how. (I dont know for sure what it was, do anyone here know?)
Britney is not a child any longer, she is a grown up women, a parent herself.
Her father have had some problems, she have had some problems. I think they for sure can understand each other nowadays.
November 12th, 2008 at 6:36 pm
The Lainey Gossip article actually supports the one from Life & Style, in many parts.
November 12th, 2008 at 6:41 pm
Ama, I know you can’t go through life quarreling with your family. You have to reconcile someday. If they have, good for them.
BUT, I find it hard to believe that yrs of dysfunction are wiped away in 10 months. Especially when one party has to do what the other says no matter what.
There has to be some balance. Right now there isn’t any balance. They are not on equal ground.
November 12th, 2008 at 6:43 pm
Amapola Says:
November 12th, 2008 at 6:35 pm
Britney is not a child any longer, she is a grown up women, a parent herself.
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She’s a grown woman with the legal rights of a child.
I think that’s why I’ve slowly come around to wondering if all is right with the C-Ship. My gut is telling me that people who are “gravely disabled” cannot do the things she is doing – live TV performances, radio interviews, plans for a world tour. Something just seems fishy to me. It’s worth exploring, at the very least.
November 12th, 2008 at 6:46 pm
“Steel_Magnolia Says:
November 12th, 2008 at 6:33 pm I just read that article at Lainey Gossip, and believe every word of it.
I can say I particularly agree about medications (e.g. for anxiety). My sister had to switch hers six different times before she hit on the right one, and MAN, did they ever make her a mess. Some made her completely lethargic, others disorientated. Both her and my Mom seem “different” on them. A little “flat.” Just not themselves. I can tell within a couple of hours if either of them have forgotten to take their medication – it affects their behaviour THAT much”
Yes! Yes! Steel_
Britney should have a secound opinon as soon as she can.
I am glad I dont know about her problem, because there are her private life, but I do think what Sam and the “talked in by Sam” dr Nadel, was doing to here was very wrong.
If the medicin (if she is eating any now) is the right one, then no harm done, but if not…Ohh, that would be very bad done against her life.
It take time, to get the medicin out of the sysem, and it must be done gentle.
Anyway, it feels bad in some way to talk about what and why and if (sickness), about a public person. You feel so too?
But I do understand what you mean by your comment.
November 12th, 2008 at 6:53 pm
Not to mention Steel writing music, contributing to writing music .. and choosing dancers.
I do worry about any medications that might mess with creativity. Do you remember when Mannequin came out though? She seemed so relieved to have gotten through the performance, done it right or whatever.
I think back to other things I read about having done a great performance but thinking she hadn’t.
Are we looking at the “not good enough” syndrome?
Oh boy could I hit on that one. Also, neither of my parents is an alcoholic but my dad was raised by two. I know they were “good people” but .. how on earth did my dad come up with such … surprising moments of anger? And where did he come up with the things he said, that should have been unforgiveable? Actually the older kids (there were seven us of) haven’t forgiven him and never will.
Then there are us younger kids. Dad had mellowed out some but was still the same father able to rip your heart out so bad I personally vowed to never love him. Ever. Again. Because I couldn’t have withstood the heartache of him doing it again.
Over time though I realized he was my one and only father…. while at the same time … I had my freedom! I didn’t “have” to do anything in context to him.
Steel. Good points on rights of a child. I wonder how deep that goes. I mean it must be one psychological f’up on someone who was so free, in some ways, from family.
Fine. Her mother wasn’t there or didn’t believe her? She did without. Fine, .. her dad quits drinking and … “You’re so stupid you wouldn’t even know how to come in through the rain.”
Say what you like about drinking or not drinking the man had problems. How much psychology has he been treated with and did it come exclusively through AA? Does he pray after he’s said something stupid?
He is on the scrutiny table.
November 12th, 2008 at 6:56 pm
Amapola Says:
November 12th, 2008 at 6:46 pm
If the medicin (if she is eating any now) is the right one, then no harm done, but if not…Ohh, that would be very bad done against her life.
It take time, to get the medicin out of the sysem, and it must be done gentle.
Anyway, it feels bad in some way to talk about what and why and if (sickness), about a public person. You feel so too?
But I do understand what you mean by your comment.
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I agree, it’s her own private life. It’s not really anybody’s business. It’s kind of part of the reason I like staying “Anonymous” on here – I’ve spoken about my mother and sister suffering from mental illness (of sorts)…So I don’t know that people need to know my identity, because then they would also know theirs.
I think we can only speculate about what might have resulted out of the drug cocktails, and what led up to the doctor prescribing those for her to begin with. On one hand, it’s a very private matter, and on the other, it kind of explains why I hate to see her doing live TV performances if she’s not totally ready for them. Those kinds of medications, if she’s taking them, can do funny things to you!
I guess I’m being overprotective…Hey, wasn’t that a song?!
November 12th, 2008 at 6:57 pm
I wonder how so many of you know that she have no connection with other persons?
Someone said she could not look at TV or hear the news?!
How do they know that??
If she not have any contact with people outside the family, could it be because she dont want give anyone any possiblilty to twist her words around to be bad things??
BECAUSE SHE WANT HER KIDS BACK, and that most important for her.
And her family, specially her father, is helping her to that goal!
Thats maybe why she not what have contact?
She have NO reason to trust the media.
As I can see it, it was only Adnan, from the “mediasphere” who helped her.
November 12th, 2008 at 7:02 pm
Amapola Says:
November 12th, 2008 at 6:57 pm
I wonder how so many of you know that she have no connection with other persons? Someone said she could not look at TV or hear the news?!
How do they know that??
As I can see it, it was only Adnan, from the “mediasphere” who helped her.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Just reading between the lines…I think that it’s our “friend” who is the one reporting back, after he receives text messages from her, saying that she’s living in a very small bubble right now.
And I’m getting this idea from several sources.
November 12th, 2008 at 7:05 pm
Please AM
People say stupid things and does wrong things under the influence of alcohol.
That does not mean they are condemned for ever.
To be sober, thats a good thing.
November 12th, 2008 at 7:07 pm
“Steel_Magnolia Says:
November 12th, 2008 at 7:02″
I do not belive it to be so.
NO
November 12th, 2008 at 7:08 pm
Now what would MH say if she were here right now?! LOL
November 12th, 2008 at 7:08 pm
I don’t think we are debating about Jamie as much as identify the degree to which is part of the picture.
He is a not a perfect person. Just because he did or does the 12 steps doesn’t make him whole.
Shame on Lou for allowing his comment to OK magazine. Manipulative, willful .. My father whom I do love even if he’s not there in the mind so much right now .. would NEVER have said that about me or any of his daughters.
His anger was episodic. He otherwise encouraged and enjoyed strong women. He was thrilled to hear of Mohammed Ali’s daughter advancement into the sports world.
He worked hard to encourage womens’ sport programs in our community. One sister of mine directly benefited. My father’s only plan was to be a father I think and to create memories for us.
So yes, I am free to scrutinize Jamie or any other parent who has such power over another’s life.
Ama, there are adults who may be civil to their parents but that doesn’t make the past go away. “More spaghetti Dad?” is just passing the platter and keeping things civil. Most of my siblings don’t have what I have or had .. and sometimes have. Your theory as to all children and their parents proves ideal rather than valid.
lol. I feel like the boss is coming back and he’ll be disappointed we didn’t find Issue 39.
November 12th, 2008 at 7:11 pm
And Steel
If you take out parts from my comment, and refers to the..
Then dont take away the most important part
………………..
……..
…
“She have NO reason to trust the media.
As I can see it, it was only Adnan, from the “mediasphere” who helped her.”
November 12th, 2008 at 7:12 pm
Amapola Says:
November 12th, 2008 at 7:07 pm
I do not belive it to be so.
NO
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I don’t mean that HE is telling the tabloids. Just that he’s telling a person we’re speaking with on these boards…which is what is motivating this whole conversation to begin with.
Several tabloids have also reported that they are still in contact. So I do believe they are still in contact.
November 12th, 2008 at 7:14 pm
“Amethyst Mine Says:
November 12th, 2008 at 7:08 pm”
Do you belive in OK?
November 12th, 2008 at 7:17 pm
Amapola Says:
November 12th, 2008 at 7:11 pm
And Steel
If you take out parts from my comment, and refers to the..
Then dont take away the most important part
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I know, Ama, and I didn’t. I believe he’s STILL trying to help her. It’s why we’re having this whole conversation. Or at least why I am.
The question is, does she know what’s good for herself? Just because she says she wants something, doesn’t mean it’s good for her…
November 12th, 2008 at 7:18 pm
Steel_
Well I hope that if she and him want their contact to be secret, it will stay secret.
What kind of friend whould it be to dispense a friends secrets?
No, I dont think Adnan in any way have anything to do with MT.
November 12th, 2008 at 7:21 pm
With that I´m saying goodnight. Still daytime at your place? But here its night.
November 12th, 2008 at 7:22 pm
Ohh Amapola, I hit a homerun a long time ago.
Steel my friend, I have an ice cold Corona here for you.
November 12th, 2008 at 7:22 pm
Amapola Says:
November 12th, 2008 at 7:18 pm
Well I hope that if she and him want their contact to be secret, it will stay secret. What kind of friend whould it be to dispense a friends secrets?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
It’s possible that it’s not a secret. Or maybe it is, and that’s why we are where we are. Because we don’t want to see her texting privileges taken away.
November 12th, 2008 at 7:24 pm
MT, it’s a long flight. It better be cold when I get there. And you better have some lime.
November 12th, 2008 at 7:25 pm
Goodnight, Ama.
You balance us out – make us stop and THINK. It’s good. Keep it up.
November 12th, 2008 at 7:32 pm
Ama, know that she has a soft pillow to sleep on. Even when thing may seem ugly, there is a beautiful side to every story. I myself is emotionaly drained following. You guys are good people, You deserve the truth.
November 12th, 2008 at 7:41 pm
MT, just know that if I’m “Team Anybody,” I’m “Team SP & JJ.” And if our “friend” is “Team SP & JJ” too, well then that’s awesome.
The beef that I have with the C-Ship – and I could be wrong here – is that there’s no way for her to regain custody while she’s under it. It’s reasonable that if she can’t take care of herself, then she can’t take care of the boys. So the sooner she’s out from under the C-Ship, the sooner she can prove to the courts that she’s capable of regaining custody.
Does that make sense, or am I off course?
November 12th, 2008 at 7:41 pm
And you are about to tell us? I who am Corona-less?
Good job Steel.
November 12th, 2008 at 7:43 pm
Under c-ship she got more time with them. Without c-ship control.
I hope someone is telling her you are ready.
I think we know what Adnan says.
November 12th, 2008 at 7:43 pm
AM, I thought you were more into the sticky stuff. That’s why I’ve been hoarding the Coronas.
November 12th, 2008 at 7:44 pm
No that was just due to .. chance. Don’t worry about me. I’ve got Longboards and a Stouffer’s lasagna.
November 12th, 2008 at 7:46 pm
I also have a chick flicka for later. This Ronnie and spouse thing being gone ain’t so bad.
SM – Long Boards are from Hawaii.
November 12th, 2008 at 7:49 pm
I was wondering what a Long Board was. I’m drinking a Beaver Buzz. It’s pretty good. Ha ha!
For a minute I thought you meant Ronnie and the spouse were gone together. I’m obviously becoming delusional.
November 12th, 2008 at 7:50 pm
So. Is Jamie GLARING at paps all that?
Also… I think to Mother’s Day MT .. JFXOnline… OK.
Who arranged all that and who got paid? Was it a gift?
November 12th, 2008 at 7:57 pm
He’s been consistent with anger at paps MT.
http://www.britneyres.com/displayimage.php?album=3209&pos=0
Are some paps that you talk to on the street just p’o'd they aren’t getting the access they use to?
Are they as lost as some of the rest of us in trying to figure out Ginsburg/Spaly ? They are not new players. X17 hires independents so… Ginsburg and Spaly and just that good? Maybe? They are aided maybe as to tips by the bigger players like X and Splash.. possibly even TMZ.
This is why I’m not getting an ice cold Corona.
MT what are your thoughts on Larry?
November 12th, 2008 at 8:00 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
November 12th, 2008 at 7:57 pm
They are aided maybe as to tips by the bigger players like X and Splash.. possibly even TMZ.
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From what I understand, somebody close to Brit has them on speed dial.
November 12th, 2008 at 8:01 pm
Brother, JJ & SP are the ‘Kings’ and Britney is the ‘Queen’ on the table.
Ohh Ame, I have a nice fatty right here. The sticky stuff. What they call the one hitter quitter. One puff and a new demension opens up, LOL!
A well balance c-ship would be nice. Where Britney can speak with confidence. With that, maybe she has a better chance on passing her test. Its so weird that everytime I try to picture and imagine things I see an image of a will being broken. That scares the sh*t out of me and I have this quick sigh of relief that I’m not in that position. Then I feel guilty.
‘What a fighter’…
November 12th, 2008 at 8:08 pm
That’s a quick flight for me Mark.
What was the silly show of Britney being in a gardening truck?
What’s with the rear entrance to the Summit?
Will you confirm or deny Lycia or is that so far past it doesn’t even matter.
That makes sense JJ and SP as king.
November 12th, 2008 at 8:11 pm
…Don’t get greedy, AM. Puff on that thing too hard and you’ll be hacking for an hour.
November 12th, 2008 at 8:11 pm
Just in case you missed it. http://www.jfxonline.com/jfxonline/2008/11/12/britneys-new-pr-photo/
ugh
November 12th, 2008 at 8:19 pm
Steel, how would you know that? Already there?
November 12th, 2008 at 8:23 pm
Apparently it’s not that long of a flight.
November 12th, 2008 at 8:26 pm
I was just looking at the image. What’s intersting is that any which way you look at it the face and the eyes is what captures you. It’s not the air brushing or the costume and hat. Look at it again. I think the people have done a great job on balancing the image to draw your attention to be hypnotize.
Maybe I’m just too stoned. Puff puff and pass it to the right.
November 12th, 2008 at 8:32 pm
I took another look at it once it was up on the JFX site…And am starting to like it.
At first I thought they were pulling a Mariah…But then realized, in the context of the songs and the rest of the album artwork, that they’re deliberately trying to make it look fake.
November 12th, 2008 at 8:34 pm
I think of many photos with less makeup that are just as memorizing. Her on stage with Madonna? Single or duet — those photos were hypnotizing.
Puff Steel? And I thought Ama went to bed.
November 12th, 2008 at 8:35 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
November 12th, 2008 at 8:19 pm
Steel, how would you know that? Already there?
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I figured that anything described as a one hitter quitter would be pretty potent. LOL
November 12th, 2008 at 8:36 pm
I’m sorry Am, some of the old palyers have been taken out. Mear pawns, but had value at the begining of the match. That piece is on another table now.
The gardening truck was a way to ditch the photogs.
I have no clue to what it is you want to know about the back gate to the summit. I’m scratching my head.
What was on mothers days?
I think you need to ‘pass the ganja to the the left hand side’ LOL!
November 12th, 2008 at 8:37 pm
43% of BHers agree with Mark.
Ame. I may not have got the Corona but I got the sticky stuff.
November 12th, 2008 at 8:39 pm
Mother’s Day. Britney was “mysteriously” caught in her backyard, reading a book, playing with her son.
A “bush” in the forefront made the paps at play and catching Britney seem realistic.
The pap was Uli.
November 12th, 2008 at 8:39 pm
Seems to me there’s been a lot of pawns in this. A lot of pawns.
Back gate to the summit…
AM, her house is on a cul de sac. Around it are hills. I think the paps may be up on the hill, shooting downwards into her backyard.
Google Earth or a real estate site might give you a good idea. Just promise me you won’t go getting greedy on the ganja and decide to drop into Brit’s house for a visit!
November 12th, 2008 at 8:41 pm
MY
You observation is very correct.
The eyes following the viewer as painters have done for centerys. Of course we shall see her,and what to see her. I mean, many looking for a glance from her,. Now they get it, and they can see it as many times as they needed
November 12th, 2008 at 8:44 pm
Feel sorry for Brit to have to live in the Summit.
Many bad memorys in those walls.
Hope she soon get her, and her kids, a new house.
November 12th, 2008 at 8:45 pm
Corecction 8:41 pm:
MT (not MY)
November 12th, 2008 at 8:47 pm
http://www.jfxonline.com/britney-spears/2008/07/18/brit-kevin-settle-custody-issues/
This is the pic but not the right story to go with the pic.
Thanks MT. It is a beautiful sunset here. Clouds low on the horizon. Glad that pond moved on to a different table.
November 12th, 2008 at 8:48 pm
It might be the ganja however. There is a tinge of pinot noir to this otherwise deepening sky of melon.
November 12th, 2008 at 8:50 pm
Ama take a puff and share to the right.
The Summit will pass.
November 12th, 2008 at 8:50 pm
That was a beautiful set. Those pictures spoke a thousand word as the say.
Hey hey now. What poll on BH about MT?
November 12th, 2008 at 8:52 pm
…LOL!
November 12th, 2008 at 8:56 pm
This headline also made me laugh when I read it:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20081111.wtwaincarlin1111/BNStory/Entertainment/home
I did a bit of a double take. George Carlin’s trying to find the Punyman, too?!
November 12th, 2008 at 9:04 pm
This is a REAL love song:
Britney Spears
Unusual you
“Nothing about you is typical
Nothing about you is predictable
You’ve got me all twisted and confused
(It’s all new)
Until now, I thought I knew love
Nothing to loose and its damaged cause
Patterns will fall as quick as I do, but now
Bridges are burning
Baby I’m learning, a new way of thinking now
Love I can see, nothing will be, just like it was
Is that because?
Baby you’re so unusual
Didn’t anyone tell you, you’re supposed to, break my heart?
I expect you do, so why haven’t you?
Maybe you’re not even human cause
Only an angel can be so unusual
Sweet surprise, I could get used to
Unusual You. “
November 12th, 2008 at 9:04 pm
MT, I think that was the weekend Jordan had some pretty colorful words to JFX — he later removed them and used the photos.
That might have been a different weekend. Steel. Do you remember what book she was “supposed to be” reading?
November 12th, 2008 at 9:06 pm
I believe he used the F word. It was a beautiful set of photos. Have you seen them?
There was a mastery in making it look like someone peeping through but then the obvious .. her sitting with a book in her backyard in “hair and makeup” and dress.
OK magazine picked them up as an “exclusive.”
November 12th, 2008 at 9:07 pm
You know JFX would never be in collusion with Daddy. They might try to get along true but otherwise… no way our guys would be in on an arrangement without Britney… that I know.
That’s the kicker. How much control and “emotional” influence does Jamie have over her?
I see Ama has toked and passed.
November 12th, 2008 at 9:10 pm
It was a self-help book she was supposed to be reading, I think. I kind of half-expected the book to be upside down. LOL!
November 12th, 2008 at 9:10 pm
“Amethyst Mine Says:
November 12th, 2008 at 8:50 pm Ama take a puff and share to the right.”..
-”Ampola take the last zip”, they all shout…because after me there would be nothing left
November 12th, 2008 at 9:12 pm
Hmm…Just listening to the 8-minute teaser…I’m not sure if I like it as well as the stuff on Blackout. It’s a bit more “pop” for my liking.
…But heck, what am I talking about? I’m still in love with New Kids on the Block.
November 12th, 2008 at 9:19 pm
..LOL! ama
November 12th, 2008 at 9:26 pm
Was MH the one to originate grrrr or was that Doc and then MH responded to him, grrrrr?
I can’t find the full set of photos.
MT you were gone for awhile. Did you ever see our video from Uli and the guys?
November 12th, 2008 at 9:27 pm
Alas you got no banana split or cream.
November 12th, 2008 at 9:35 pm
nah it was 8/9/08 Jordan used the F word.
November 12th, 2008 at 9:36 pm
I’m out to pick up food for the family. You guys think Ronnie will ban me? lol! I know Jordan gets them warnings from Ronnie.. If he does, I will be back as… I’ll think of a handle.
Be easy folks..
November 12th, 2008 at 9:38 pm
Here is more of that set Mark. http://www.jfxonline.com/jfxonline/2008/05/22/exclusive-mommy-dearest/
I can’t find the set that made it into OK as their exclusive.
Do these pics and Uli talking about them alter your views at all? Or .. how does it work? Spread the love around, minimize any detection of G&S?
November 12th, 2008 at 9:40 pm
Heh, for some reason I doubt Ronnie will ban you, MT.
Especially considering how many hits you just generated for the site. Nah, I wouldn’t worry at all.
Be easy, MT.
November 12th, 2008 at 9:40 pm
Nosey found an exclusive plus Cover Awards.
http://coverawards.com/2008/05/28/britney-spears-babies/
November 12th, 2008 at 9:41 pm
Well, I should book out myself. I just burned 50 DVD’s while we chatted!
November 12th, 2008 at 9:42 pm
# ULISES Says:
May 22nd, 2008 at 11:53 pm
I HAD A SMILE THE ENTIRE TIME WE WERE WORKING THIS JOB, NOT BECAUSE WE GOT A GREAT SET BUT BECAUSE WE WERE ABLE TO CAPTURE THE LOVE A MOTHER HAS FOR HER KID, FROM THE FIRST SHOT TO THE LAST.
November 12th, 2008 at 9:43 pm
Nah. No banning MT.
All you did was open our eyes to possibilities and smoke a little ganja on the premises.
November 12th, 2008 at 9:45 pm
That cover is great…but “dating a new man?” That part has Lou written all over it!
November 12th, 2008 at 10:00 pm
Steel 09:45 pm
I dont think it have to be Lou.
The gossip papers done so always,
to sell, (and to make Adnan look bad) and also, to make Britney upset, if they can.
I mean, there are no nice people running those papers.
November 12th, 2008 at 10:50 pm
Dating a new man? Did I miss something?
November 12th, 2008 at 11:00 pm
Let’s go back to MT for a minute and Mark let me be honest.
You struck me as one of the Muskateers… then some how you became rogue and outside of it.
I almost did too but I have never been part of anything. Not really. Sort of but not like this.
Going back to economics, one law is more or less, in times of plenty everybody is so nice. In times of less, suspicion, hating all things arise.
How do you explain “Jamie’s exclusives” and hated looks at the paps, versus Uli having an exclusive.
There was no sneak to that set of photos. It was set up.
So is the word on the street due to less plenty and finger blaming or do you really know more?
I think paps like it when there is an even playing field. I think in the old days they might have liked it when some paps proved more shrew than others. But in today’s world? It’s who you know? Who sells? Who needs money?
I am for removed or limited c-ship. Right now. I am for Lynn receding somewhere, perhaps back into her own career.
Small you asked about who was supporting who. Lynn had a career she loved. Then “Larry” suggested she could make more money doing Britney’s fan club… or whatever. She just put out a book. Maybe that will earn her some money.
I don’t know. What I do know is that there’s no Sex and the City movie tonight because I can get no audio. That’s my fault, not my husband’s.. because he set up movies and while I cooked and complained to serve it hot.
On the other hand men tend to take the remotes etc.
Anyway. Ama. Do you get “thorough” listening and exploration of all sides, check them out, stories, theories and ideas including MT’s dislike and suspicion of Jamie Spears?
People can be insidious. You haven’t the experience of some people Ama and I wish you’d be more lenient at times and less insistent about LOVE and the natural way etc.
We haven’t seen it yet in Britney’s case. My opinion … possibly fouled by no audio to experience an eve of relaxation and not missing my husband or worrying about him and everything that is happening here. DHL.
ARGH.
November 12th, 2008 at 11:01 pm
shrewd not shrew and some other little errors
November 12th, 2008 at 11:08 pm
Steel. I have not liked the music nor lyrics nor pictures of Circus as yet.
We were promised depth, the best, talent, and so on.
Ama, that promo picture of Brit and her eyes? Big deal. Sell perfume. That look and those eyes may be accomplished anywhere and every day.
I expected more. I accept what is. She is an astonishingly every day beautiful girl so I really don’t understand tawdry, over-makeup, ick. Give me vixen not coy and so mannequin so as to snap the arms and head off and replace.
I don’t like the “art” and I am “entitled” to my bad mood and opinion.
Done with my bad mood. arhgh. grrrr .. oh.
November 12th, 2008 at 11:09 pm
I meant “not so mannequin” … I mean that right arm looks like one you can snap off and replace. Just like Barbie or Mr. Potato Head though he had no arms.
November 12th, 2008 at 11:26 pm
On the plus side I see zip activity by stalkers.
Cool.
November 13th, 2008 at 12:13 am
My Mr. Potato Head had arms!
November 13th, 2008 at 12:16 am
Geez, you guys have been talking up a storm. It’s gonna take forever to catch up.
November 13th, 2008 at 12:20 am
AM, Looking at 11:00p post…you missed a statement by MT that would address some your thoughts.
November 13th, 2008 at 12:21 am
well trying the italics thing didn’t work and it ate the word too lol
lets try this again…
AM, Looking at 11:00p post…you missed a key statement by MT that would address some your thoughts.
November 13th, 2008 at 12:25 am
that still came out wrong.
bottom line is that mt said something key that i think most of you missed, or just didn’t comment on. and it would give some clarity to your 11p post.
November 13th, 2008 at 12:54 am
Mark. Going alone is not the way of it.
November 13th, 2008 at 12:55 am
MH here’s italics
what you want to say
and nothing in between
This works for b bold etc.
November 13th, 2008 at 12:56 am
dang feel just like Wolk
ok
encapsulate
November 13th, 2008 at 12:57 am
It still didn’t do it. Look at source code.
November 13th, 2008 at 12:57 am
MH there is no 11:00 by MT
November 13th, 2008 at 1:00 am
You’re right. Little plastic yellow break off arms.
They were never satisfying.
I see the promo as appealing to 40 50 60 and 70 year old man.
yicky
November 13th, 2008 at 1:17 am
wow, i didn’t get anything right…i meant to say it took forever to catch up. anyway, the 11p post is yours. i’m gonna email you something….
November 13th, 2008 at 10:12 am
“Amethyst Mine Says:
November 12th, 2008 at 11:00 pm
.
..
…
“People can be insidious. You haven’t the experience of some people Ama and I wish you’d be more lenient at times and less insistent about LOVE and the natural way etc. ”
What you know about that?
November 13th, 2008 at 11:39 am
To offer a different perspective…
From reading Ama’s posts, I don’t get the impression that she lacks experience, but that she has a much different world view than some of us.
We all come from different family backgrounds, different cultures, areas of the world. We have different work experiences, different experiences in life and love. And we all choose how we allow those experiences to shape our attitudes.
I’ve probably grown very cynical about how the entertainment industry works, and very cynical about family. But I can certainly appreciate her views on love. If we all thought the same way as Amapola about some of the things we’re discussing here, the world would probably be a much safer, happier place.
November 13th, 2008 at 12:25 pm
AM, Just thinking about G/S here…
This is how it could connect to the Wright case…For the Wright case, Team Pa has to submit to Team Wright all of Brit’s finances. This is so that Wright can get an accurate picture about how much Brit owes him since the payments stopped in Dec. 2006. (Since his payments, by law, are based on a percentage of her income from music, tours, stinkwater, etc.)
IF…And this is IF money from photos has been going into Team Pa’s pockets (or Team Lutfi’s pockets, etc.) instead of into Team Brit’s pockets, then wouldn’t that start to show up in her accounting statements? Is it possible that Wright, in a roundabout way, actually HELP her by doing all of this?
November 13th, 2008 at 12:53 pm
I am not sure I follow Steel.
November 13th, 2008 at 12:59 pm
I’m thinking track 7 is for A.
November 13th, 2008 at 1:01 pm
http://www.amazon.com/Circus-Deluxe-Version/dp/B001L2BIHU/ref=dm_ap_alb23
November 13th, 2008 at 1:03 pm
I’m not sure I follow on the Track 7…
But as for accounting…That case will help to bring some transparency when it comes to her finances. So it might be good for her, in many respects. It will show her who she can and can’t trust when it comes to money.
November 13th, 2008 at 1:07 pm
Track 7 is a heartbreaker to me. It’s so sad.
Good point Steel regarding bringing things to light.
I still think it’s interesting that the businesses were contacted by Plaintiff. It’s possible that Grossman or similar was contacted but … instead of relying on accounting they went to the businesses and possibly their books?
So looking on the the bright side: Clay Townsend says, “Look the emperor is naked” aka “Look she seems fine to me” while meanwhile the who did what where surfaces in the accounting books.
November 13th, 2008 at 1:07 pm
Okay, now I follow on the Track 7.
November 13th, 2008 at 1:09 pm
Sorry. I shouldn’t have assumed you’d already looked at BH.
So Mark, hopefully you understood the back gate had to do with speculation that that’s how Adnan was getting in. Were you out of the country?
Is there any heads up as to how long Britney is staying in Louisiana, i.e., through Nov 18th?
November 13th, 2008 at 1:09 pm
It makes sense to me to go after the businesses FIRST. If discrepancies are found, THEN they may go after the individual accountants to see what the problem is.
November 13th, 2008 at 1:14 pm
AM
Was I invisible when I did this comment?
“Amapola Says:
November 12th, 2008 at 9:04 pm This is a REAL love song:
Britney Spears
Unusual you
“Nothing about you is typical
Nothing about you is predictable
You’ve got me all twisted and confused
(It’s all new)
Until now, I thought I knew love
Nothing to loose and its damaged cause
Patterns will fall as quick as I do, but now
Bridges are burning
Baby I’m learning, a new way of thinking now
Love I can see, nothing will be, just like it was
Is that because?
Baby you’re so unusual
Didn’t anyone tell you, you’re supposed to, break my heart?
I expect you do, so why haven’t you?
Maybe you’re not even human cause
Only an angel can be so unusual
Sweet surprise, I could get used to
Unusual You. “
November 13th, 2008 at 1:16 pm
oh Ama damn. Sorry. I missed it.
ah shoot — Steel, pass the mouthwash please. Yes the crow flavor. sigh
November 13th, 2008 at 1:24 pm
I think you need the mint flavour to overpower the crow.
November 13th, 2008 at 1:25 pm
LOL. Pass both please and the floss.
November 13th, 2008 at 1:29 pm
And about this:
“Amethyst Mine Says:
November 12th, 2008 at 9:42 pm
# ULISES Says:
May 22nd, 2008 at 11:53 pm
I HAD A SMILE THE ENTIRE TIME WE WERE WORKING THIS JOB, NOT BECAUSE WE GOT A GREAT SET BUT BECAUSE WE WERE ABLE TO CAPTURE THE LOVE A MOTHER HAS FOR HER KID, FROM THE FIRST SHOT TO THE LAST.”
””””””””””””””””””
AM
What do you mean that this proof?
**************
Oh..one thing more AM.
Its sad that you get such bad experience from reading AA rules.
Because there is not a surrendering as a person they talk about.
Its the addicts surrendering to the fact that they are addicted to some kind of drug, who give them problems.
To be strong enough to admit that fact.
No other surrender.
November 13th, 2008 at 1:33 pm
AM
I did an other comment to, who was a real “cryptic” thing..and I was suprised that you did not react/respond..
Anyway, I do it again, and remember, I dont know if its of any importens, but it sure look “strange”
Anagram:
Briteys Spears
Presbytarians
November 13th, 2008 at 1:38 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
November 13th, 2008 at 1:07 pm
I still think it’s interesting that the businesses were contacted by Plaintiff. It’s possible that Grossman or similar was contacted but … instead of relying on accounting they went to the businesses and possibly their books?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Grossman worked for Brit on BEHALF of one of her businesses.
Brit’s money wouldn’t be going into a sole proprietorship, it would be going into multiple corporations. Grossman worked for one of these corporations. So to audit the business is to audit Grossman himself. I would think.
Wright’s lawsuit is then serving two functions:
1/ By deposing Brit, they’re asking to give her a “voice” on the stand.
2/ By auditing her books, they’re assisting Brit in providing financial transparency.
Wright has known Brit for many years. He worked with her closely.
…Wright might even be a Knight…
November 13th, 2008 at 1:38 pm
# MARK TWAIN Says:
November 12th, 2008 at 8:01 pm
…
A well balance c-ship would be nice. Where Britney can speak with confidence. With that, maybe she has a better chance on passing her test. Its so weird that everytime I try to picture and imagine things I see an image of a will being broken. That scares the sh*t out of me and I have this quick sigh of relief that I’m not in that position. Then I feel guilty.
‘What a fighter’…
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I know what you mean. You put my haunts into words.
November 13th, 2008 at 1:38 pm
Correction:
Anagram:
Britney Spears
Presbyterians
found it on the web, by accident…
November 13th, 2008 at 1:39 pm
Ama, I looked back over the thread. Proof that paps other than G&S get exclusives?
I’d imagine that Britney did get money back on the Mother’s Day photos.
November 13th, 2008 at 1:40 pm
p.s. thanks for clarification on AA.
November 13th, 2008 at 1:52 pm
I do belive tht Beriney Spears have a masterplan, and that she will follow it, work this out, together with advicers, and after her own will.
She will not stay in c-ship “for ever” or even for a long time .
I do belive she doing what she feel is right in this time.
I will never forget that the most important thing for her is her kids.
She is doing what she need to do.
And thats what a responable mother are doing.
I belive in Britney, and I do belive she hate, as many other also do, being in court.
Because of her money, people will try to force her, suing her for “this and that”, to spend more time than would be normal in courts.
I do belive that her father will help her get rid off most of the unnecessary court days.
November 13th, 2008 at 1:59 pm
Ama, just word play?
Lynne was raised as a Methodist by the way Ama but was sent to a Catholic school for better education than in public school.
—
Why Mark … Lynne has a special place in her heart for you:
“When Sandra and I were twelve, and I was just four, I would jump on her back and we would head down to the woods and this wonderful creek that was like something out of a Mark Twain novel.”
November 13th, 2008 at 2:12 pm
Here’s a thought…
Wright launched his lawsuit in the midst of the Lutfi era.
Is it possible that this suit was used as a “tool” to force Lutfi, Grossman, et al, to hand over her financials? Is it possible that Wright and Pa are actually on the same team? That this lawsuit (like the 5150’s and the C-Ship) was part of a a “divide and conquer” strategy to help get rid of Lutfi’s control?
November 13th, 2008 at 2:20 pm
Steel, I think you may be a little in error. If you look at the long long list of things Camp Spears wanted from Howard it was clear he was the money man.
Do you have documentation that he worked for one of her corporations?
Here is a side tidbit. Remember there was a subpoena sent to Padell? I am not suggesting he is a rat but it becomes more clear why he might have been subpoenaed. I’m still working on “Signature Bank” and Signatures Network ..
Madonna Sues Ex-Financial Advisers
The Associated Press
Wednesday, June 30 1999 08:11 PM EDT
NEW YORK (AP) – Madonna has sued her former financial advisers for $2.5
million, apparently because she believes they caused her to lose more
money to taxes than a material girl should put up with.
Madonna’s lawsuit, filed Tuesday in State Supreme Court, charges Padell,
Nadell, Fine, Weinberger & Co., and the firm’s partners and associates,
with breach of contract and fiduciary duties, and malpractice.
Bert Padell, the firm’s senior partner, said the lawsuit stems from
Madonna’s having to pay $2 million in New York State income taxes after he
prepared a 1992 tax filing saying she was a California resident.
“The state came in a said she was a New York State resident because she
lived here more than 183 days” in that tax year, and that made her
subject to New York’s income taxes, Padell said.
Padell said Madonna fired him in 1996 and hired a Los Angeles firm to
handle her finances. He said Madonna paid the taxes.
Padell said that Madonna may be upset with him, but he believes that
“she’s a good person. I have no malice toward her.”
The lawsuit, which names Madonna’s personal corporation and her record
company as plaintiffs, asks $2 million in compensatory damages and
$500,000 in punitive damages.
November 13th, 2008 at 2:28 pm
Unfortunately Wright would only be entitled to see figures for gross receipts?
Meanwhile, just to bring to light what Wright may be able to expose,
http://www.bertpadell.com/about.htm
November 13th, 2008 at 2:33 pm
AM, What I’m saying is that none of these people are being sued…as individual people. Whether it’s Madonna vs. an accounting firm, or Wright vs. Britney, it’s all CORPORATIONS that are being named in the lawsuits.
I, personally, operate my business as a sole proprietorship, because my income is so small (relative to Britney’s), I have no employees, and no other business partners. So I’ve chosen to go with this – for now – because it suites my situation.
However…Once you have a bigger income, business partners, etc., it’s wise to move out of this into a “corporation.” A corporation is especially useful if you want to protect yourself from, e.g. lawsuits. That way, the corporation is sued, but you, yourself, would be personally protected.
Britney would have a “personal corporation,” just like Madonna. A corporation must have shareholders, etc., and follow government rules. So it is likely not Britney, the person, being sued, but “Britney, The Corporation.”
Does this fit with what the paperwork says?
November 13th, 2008 at 2:39 pm
AM, To make a long story short, I’m saying that Grossman was likely the accountant for “Britney Spears Inc.,” her personal corporation. (Or a name which is similar.)
So, by asking for the paperwork for “Britney Spears, Inc.,” Wright is in fact getting the accounting done by Grossman.
November 13th, 2008 at 2:45 pm
What’s Deborah Nadel’s husband’s name?
November 13th, 2008 at 2:46 pm
I remember one of Brit’s former doctor’s, who worked out of her home, also ran an Estate Management firm. Which seemed odd.
November 13th, 2008 at 2:50 pm
The parent company of Signatures Networking is Live Nation. http://www.livenation.com/ Just a side note. Signatures Networking is Music Merchandise Licensing Services
SIC CODES: 6794 – Patent Owners and Lessors
A Notice to Produce was sent to them by Plaintiff on 2/14/08 the day Wright won a Default Judgment.
The other Notice to Produce was sent to Zomba on the same day.
Then I think both companies were subpoenaed on 3/18/08 in San Fran and in New York Co NY. I’m not showing they were issued but that was the objective.
I think I am understanding this. They went after the sources that could give them gross receipts when they got no reply from Britney Touring In and Britney Spears?
3/24 Case reopened.
In May Plaintiff got more specific issuing subpoenas to Rudolph, Padell, and Zedeck (David? music agent), plus Covington (any clues?) Zomba, and Gerber & Co. Signatures is not listed this time.
small? I just fried my brain again.
November 13th, 2008 at 2:53 pm
lol I’ll meet you in the middle. We are both looking at things and bringing them to the table.
slaps hand to forehead
oh now I get your meaning Grossman and BTI.
I’m having a rough morning here between mouthwash, head slaps, and fried brain.
November 13th, 2008 at 2:54 pm
So. If Grossman was in charge of BTI then did “he” ignore the complaint? Sam said he controlled him but you know Sam.
November 13th, 2008 at 2:56 pm
AM,
“Britney Touring Inc.” – Offers protection to her when on the road, touring.
“Britney Spears Inc.” – Offers protection to her when existing as Ms. Spears.
Money from different ventures would be funneled into the different corporations. She would be paid BY these corporations, and this is the money she would live on day to day. I think.
November 13th, 2008 at 2:57 pm
AM,
Covington is Mama Spears maiden name. (Small, correct me on that if I’m wrong.)
November 13th, 2008 at 3:00 pm
AM,
Both “BTI” and “BSI” would have a Board of Directors and Shareholders.
Corporations must have a Directors meeting once a year, if I’m not mistaken. Shareholders also have an opportunity to attend once-a-year meetings.
Grossman wouldn’t “run” either corporation, but would do the accounting for them.
November 13th, 2008 at 3:01 pm
One clarification on the paperwork and this is verbatim:
‘WRIGHT ENTERTAINMENT GROUP, LLC and WRIGHT ENTERTAINMENT GROUP, INC.,
Plaintiff(s)
vs
BRITNEY SPEARS and BRITNEY SPEARS, INC.
Defendent(s)
November 13th, 2008 at 3:05 pm
Ah, okay.
WEG is naming Britney “the person” Spears, as well as Britney “The Corporation” Spears.
It’s likely that Britney is paid BY her Corporation. Grossman would’ve cut her cheques on behalf of the Corporation. This is the money she would’ve lived on.
November 13th, 2008 at 3:06 pm
Someone correct me if I’m wrong on all this Corporation stuff. I’m not afraid to eat some crow.
November 13th, 2008 at 3:20 pm
Lou? In the new OK! 11/17/08
“Legally, Britney is basically a child,” a source close to the case tells OK! “She can’t make any financial decisions for herself , and she can’t regain custody of her sons, Preston and Jayden.”
The article goes on
However, with the safety net the convervatorship provides, Britney is expected to get longer visitations with her children starting this month.
“Britney desperately wants to have control over her lie, but if she wants to keep her finances in order and spend the maximum time with hr kids, she need to leave well-enough alone,” the source says. “But the conservator will likely end in 2009.”
The captions are BRITNEY’S DAD IS STILL BOSS and BRITNEY IS BASICALLY A CHILD
November 13th, 2008 at 3:25 pm
I made a typing error — “Britney desperately wants control over her life..”
But MORE important is this:
VS.
Britney Spears and Britney Touring Inc.
So Steel is that the individual and the corporation then? I am not coming up with much using a database that usually delivers good information on companies.
November 13th, 2008 at 3:27 pm
There should be three entities there:
Britney Touring Inc. (a corporation)
Britney Spears Inc. (a corporation)
Britney Spears (the person)
November 13th, 2008 at 3:32 pm
I’m using LexisNexis and not finding any company owned by Britney nor a company called Britney Touring Inc. What does that tell you Steel if anything?
November 13th, 2008 at 3:33 pm
It would be interesting to know who the Directors and Shareholders are for the two Corporations.
Britney would hold shares, but then so would others. That means others, besides Britney, have a say over the manner in which “Britney Spears Inc.” and “Britney Touring Inc.” are run.
November 13th, 2008 at 3:34 pm
It doesn’t matter anyways, at this point, because as long as she is under the C-Ship, Britney and Pa are the same thing.
November 13th, 2008 at 3:36 pm
AM, The corporations might be listed under numbers instead of under the actual names, e.g. 804864 Inc.
November 13th, 2008 at 3:48 pm
Why do you think there is an automatic Britney Spears Inc.? (hope that doesn’t sound snarky — I’m trying to learn … so BSI?)
November 13th, 2008 at 3:48 pm
AM, I’ve gotta book out for a few hours and/or days.
You’re on to something with this. I don’t know what, but there’s something there. Especially when WEG is suing corporations (which have Directors/Shareholders/people in charge other than Brit), and he is getting no response. That shouldn’t have been. Good luck. I’ll check in when I can.
November 13th, 2008 at 3:50 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
November 13th, 2008 at 3:01 pm
One clarification on the paperwork and this is verbatim:
‘WRIGHT ENTERTAINMENT GROUP, LLC and WRIGHT ENTERTAINMENT GROUP, INC., Plaintiff(s)
vs
BRITNEY SPEARS and BRITNEY SPEARS, INC. Defendent(s)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
There’s your Britney Spears, Inc.
I just can’t imagine that she’d leave herself open to liability in such a way, especially with so much money and so many people working underneath her.
November 13th, 2008 at 3:53 pm
For instance, I can’t imagine that Britney would pay her maid out of her personal bank account. And she likely wouldn’t pay her out of “Britney Touring, Inc.” If the maid slipped and fell and decided to sue Brit, then Brit could always say, “Well, it wasn’t ME who hired you – it was Britney Spears, Inc. that hired you. Sue them.” That way she’s not personally liable, and wouldn’t go bankrupt because her maid slipped and broke her leg and decided to sue.
I don’t know…I could be wrong. Just trying to look at things from different perspectives.
Bye for now.
November 13th, 2008 at 3:59 pm
Steel. I don’t think there are shareholders in a private corporation?
November 13th, 2008 at 4:08 pm
I will miss you. Meanwhile some snippets from an article:
“And what a business it is. Divided into a string of separate companies, such as Britney Touring, One More Time Music, Fairy Zone Productions and Britney
Online, it’s more of a corporation.”
snip
“Britney’s finances are supervised by an elite group of bankers and accountants who have skillfully managed her funds for a number of years.
Sources say she follows their advice to the letter. What a shame they don’t have as much influence over their wayward client’s private life.”
snip
“Leaked documents drawn up by the savvy legal team that prepared Britney’s premarital agreement – plus extensive research by Forbes magazine – give a fascinating insight into the star’s immense wealth, which continues to accumulate every second.” Leaked? Can we see a copy?
“SHE’S STILL GOT IT. A quick check of Britney
by the numbers shows the star remains on top, financially. Phew.” NY Daily News. Jane Ridley. 3/22/07
November 13th, 2008 at 4:18 pm
Zero results for another reliable database ABI/Inform Global.
November 13th, 2008 at 4:41 pm
Mark could you pls drop another hint as to glossy? thx
November 13th, 2008 at 5:00 pm
http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20230524,00.html
hmm?
November 13th, 2008 at 5:09 pm
Into the trash with OK! I think Lou moonlights and works for Tom Cruise. Nah she’s not a Scientologist.
November 13th, 2008 at 5:22 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
November 13th, 2008 at 12:59 pm
I’m thinking track 7 is for A.
———————–
Is that “Unusual you” or something like that? I really like that song.
November 13th, 2008 at 5:25 pm
Steel_Magnolia Says:
November 13th, 2008 at 1:09 pm
It makes sense to me to go after the businesses FIRST. If discrepancies are found, THEN they may go after the individual accountants to see what the problem is.
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You’ve got a point. This is getting very interesting. Maybe Wright will open people’s eyes to what could be going on in Britney’s money world.
November 13th, 2008 at 5:38 pm
Steel_Magnolia Says:
November 13th, 2008 at 2:57 pm
AM,
Covington is Mama Spears maiden name. (Small, correct me on that if I’m wrong.)
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I know that was Britney’s aunt’s last name, but I thought she was married? So I’m not sure.
November 13th, 2008 at 5:41 pm
About Wright. I don’t think he is working with Papa Spears. I recall the rolling stone expose that was done about Britney, the one where Adnan was also interviewed, and I remember him saying that a lot of the problems Britney was having stemmed from her parents. He blamed her parents for never teaching her how to do things for herself,like, balance a checkbook, etc.. He wasn’t a huge fan of the parents I don’t think, as far as who was to blame for Britney’s troubles at the time. If it wasn’t Rolling Stone, then it could have been Blender magazine.
November 13th, 2008 at 5:42 pm
BRITNEY TOURING INC…… WHO’S GETTING PAID?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hkjkTe5kZE&feature=related
November 13th, 2008 at 5:42 pm
Is it possible that instead of it only being Lou who talks to OK, that maybe it’s Kevin and his lawyers? If it’s about custody issues I mean.
November 13th, 2008 at 6:01 pm
Ama. Take a closer look at this. Lynne doesn’t say Jamie was drunk when he said these things.
“In September of that year, a few months after Daddy’s death, I went back to college to finish my degree. Mama watched Bryan when I was at school, and often when I had to study. I could not have made it without her.
Jamie was not encouraging of my efforts to say the least. Actually, in some ways he was actively working against me, underming my confidnece at every turn and making me feel–and sometimes believe–that I wasn’t smart enough to hold a bachelor’s degree. “You’re too stupid to graduate,” he would sneer. “How come they don’t know that down at the school?” His words crushed my spirit.
It was a small miracle that I finished my college education and received my diploma in 1979. Really, anyone who archives anything of importance while being married to an alcoholic is miraculous.”
But Lynne never says that he said the above while he was drunk. She’s doing it all over again, reasoning, rationalizing, trying to believe that he was acting this way because he was an alcoholic.
I guess I would have to find a later chapter where he says I love you, etc., sorry I was a mean, etc.
“I think one of the hardest aspects of my lonely achievement was that, at the end of the day, when I’d given all I had to give, there was no one there to hold me tight and say, “I’m so proud of you.” Or I should say, the person I wanted and needed that affirmation from most wouldn’t–or couldn’t–give it to me.”
Reading on he was a classic charmer and devil at the same time. Lynne was hopeful etc., but she did reach a breaking point once, grabbed a shotgun and blew Jamie’s cooler and the alcohol within it into smithereens.
I am sure you’ve read elsewhere the words of a pastor to Lynne, “If this young lady [Britney] and her daddy don’t resolve their issues, and he doesn’t try harder to establish good, strong relationship with her, she will end up clinging to the first real romance in her life. That man will be of extreme importance in her life, and that relationship will determine the course of all her relationships with mean from then on.”
I ask what was Jamie doing at home to Britney? Why did the topic of Britney and Jamie come up at all? Britney Spears was 13 years old.
Still no introduction to Lou Taylor and the role she played within the family.
November 13th, 2008 at 6:04 pm
correction “undermining my confidence”
November 13th, 2008 at 6:57 pm
What was Lynne unable to protect Britney from?
For you small. She never uses the f word though. She never comes right out and says I fucked up. Sorry.
“Every mother makes mistakes, though, and I’m no different. And honestly, I’d prefer to keep my regrets to myself, wouldn’t you? Even if none of you ever has a child go into show business, I truly hope you can learn something from my mistakes, that as you parent your own children, something I say here might help you and love and guide them with the clarity that only hindsight gives us.”
snip — she goes on about Building Faith — dang … “…but I see now that they could have benefited greatly by drawing closer to God through daily Bible reading and devotional reading.” snip
“Trusting My Gut. I should not have trusted my children blindly. When I sense something was up, I should have gone in for the kill (metaphorically speaking!), trusting my instincts and not their pleas:
o Mama everyone is going to that bonfire except for me!
o I would never do anything like that!
o So and so is allowed to do this. Why don’t you trust me?”
snip she goes on to describe her and Jamie fighting in front of the children … “..but I should have attempted to deal with things behind closed doors. That’s not to say it’s a good idea to pretend all is well when it isn’t, but I regret the extent to which my children saw me visibly upset about problems that were completely out of their control.” snip
“I wore my emotions on my sleeve, and my children had to pick up the pieces at times. I wish I had practiced more self-control.”
Ama? You have the book too I think.
Track 7 becomes of more interest.
snip snip
“If I felt there was a purpose, I could reel off a laundry list about the ways I failed my family, from burned dinners to burned bridges.”
I think Lynne agrees with me on the permanency of some things. It sickens me to think that the person who inflicted so much pain on his daughter is now the one in control. And that that girl Britney is in a vulnerable state.
Oh absolutely Mark, she’s the fighter that one.
snip snip
She moves on to ask for God’s forgiveness. snip snip
Ama, you have the book too. I am not seeing a lot of praise for Jamie here except for this, “Thank you, Jamie, for some of the best memories of my life. Together we have three beautiful children that I will always love unconditionally. Regardless of our difference, we will always be family.” snip snip
“To Lou Taylor: thank you for believing I had a story to tell and for the faithfulness in making it happen. It is a blessing to see that God uses all thing for a good of those who love him.”
And just for Steel, from Lorilee Craker co-author, “My abundant gratitude and a latte to the following: Chip Macgregor and Lou Taylor for bringing me this project. Erika Pott, MD, and fellow hockey mom, for the medical input.” etc.
Craker needed medical input because?
November 13th, 2008 at 7:06 pm
Sorry you guys. I was bored .. and reading and typing.
To answer Mark, Jamie has control of BTI right now.
I read that in a user’s comment elsewhere but darned if I could access the whole thread. The poster sounded like they knew what they were talking about.
Afterall, who had ever hear of BTI before? Meanwhile
http://brit-s.net/03449/britney-spears-brother-bryan-to-take-control-of-her-fortune/
November 13th, 2008 at 7:12 pm
What is the SJB account? I mean the name.
Jamie has so much power.
I wouldn’t trust someone who had a love/hate relationship with his daughter.
November 13th, 2008 at 7:18 pm
Hey Mark? Not to bring in too much of my own b.s. here but I remember having to say sorry to Daddy when he was wrong and I was right.
Humiliating. I can’t remember the stakes. I couldn’t live at home?
Ama. I have plenty of heart.
November 13th, 2008 at 7:20 pm
That was during one of Dad’s crazy modes.
My father was not an alcoholic by a long stretch. He was just occasionally messed up and crazy and not for a moment but for days.
November 13th, 2008 at 7:35 pm
And I don’t mean a month, just til… well it could be more than one day.
Please consider my experience Ama.
Not all alcoholics are mean. (again my father was not an alcoholic) Lynne reveals some of Jamie’s values and the desire to keep someone down.
November 13th, 2008 at 9:56 pm
Lynne’s maiden name is Bridges.
November 13th, 2008 at 10:05 pm
I’m here.
November 13th, 2008 at 10:16 pm
Her sister married a Covington but I don’t think that is who we are after in terms of identifying who was sought for knowledge.
Were we?
November 14th, 2008 at 12:36 am
More of the song?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukqrNaMEb9w
November 14th, 2008 at 2:13 am
Amethyst Mine Says:
November 13th, 2008 at 6:01 pm
I am sure you’ve read elsewhere the words of a pastor to Lynne, “If this young lady [Britney] and her daddy don’t resolve their issues, and he doesn’t try harder to establish good, strong relationship with her, she will end up clinging to the first real romance in her life. That man will be of extreme importance in her life, and that relationship will determine the course of all her relationships with mean from then on.”
I ask what was Jamie doing at home to Britney? Why did the topic of Britney and Jamie come up at all? Britney Spears was 13 years old.
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Wait so that was true? I remember reading that elsewhere, but I thought it was a made up quote. Interesting…
I’ve always thought the root of Britney’s problems stemmed from her relationship with her father.
November 14th, 2008 at 2:15 am
MT mentioned earlier that the “king” on the board were her kids and her brother. Does that mean she can trust her brother and he will be there for her? Or did I read it wrong?
November 14th, 2008 at 12:13 pm
small, at the time I thought MT was calling ME brother! Ha ha.
Wasn’t Bryan ALREADY in charge of her finances before this all happened?
November 14th, 2008 at 12:17 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
November 13th, 2008 at 10:16 pm
Her sister married a Covington but I don’t think that is who we are after in terms of identifying who was sought for knowledge.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
You might be right. Her maiden name is Bridges, but I had this picture in my head of Lynne at her sister’s grave, this time last year. Her sister was Sandra Covington, if I remember correctly. Her daughter is probably the Laura Lynne Covington we’re seeing in this year’s Halloween photos.
November 14th, 2008 at 12:18 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
November 13th, 2008 at 7:12 pm
What is the SJB account? I mean the name.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
SJB..BJS..Britney Jean Spears?
November 14th, 2008 at 12:22 pm
AM, Private corporations…you’re right about there not being shareholders.
Sometimes when I’m in a hurry (like now) I get typing fast and don’t double-check my facts.
I just gurgled with some mouthwash. The taste of crow is slowly going away.
November 14th, 2008 at 12:38 pm
The whole thing about this Wright case that is strange…and I earlier refered to it as being “dumb,” but perhaps “strange” is a better word…is that it took SO long for anyone to reply to it.
Something just doesn’t add up.
When did Jamie finally reply to it after becoming Conservator? Did I hear March?
November 14th, 2008 at 12:42 pm
You know, around Jan-Feb-March of last year I used to have these EXACT same conversations (regarding her family) with someone over at that other site. I used to call him Sam and tell him where to go in no uncertain terms. I wonder who it was who I was really talking to??
November 14th, 2008 at 12:50 pm
Sorry for all the posts…
But I’m wondering…Why was it that Jamie was chosen to be Conservator if they had such a bad relationship to begin with? Why not Lynne? I realize her and Lynne were fighting at the time, but…It sounds like she’d been fighting with her Dad for even longer. How was it that HE was the guy who was put in that role?
On that note…I’m out for a while again. Later skaters.
November 14th, 2008 at 1:01 pm
Here sweetie. Try the new apple cinnamon.
Small – yes. It is true. It’s in the book.
It’s interesting that all three children fell away from the Faith. Listen to this one, p194
“I do wish Bryan would return to the faith of his childhood, the faith that has been my rock through this crazy, bumpy journey the whole family is on. I believe there Bryan could find the truth and peace he is looking for. Anything is possible through Christ our Savior.”
November 14th, 2008 at 1:04 pm
Steel I don’t know the answer other than someone needed to be home with Jamie Lynne, and Jamie was in L.A.
I’ve gone all over the map with these parents from suspicion, to like and giving the benefit of the doubt and now wishing to be rid of them.
November 14th, 2008 at 1:10 pm
Steel. I am not showing any activity by Defense until March 24, 2008 when the case was reopened. It’s possible Papa and co-conservator were unaware…
http://www.ninthcircuit.org/research/case_query.shtml
November 14th, 2008 at 1:21 pm
SBJ Revocable Trust. More as I find it.
November 14th, 2008 at 1:41 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
November 14th, 2008 at 1:10 pm
I am not showing any activity by Defense until March 24, 2008 when the case was reopened. It’s possible Papa and co-conservator were unaware…
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The funny thing was, anyone who read blogs was aware of this suit the day after it was filed, via TMZ.
That’s like Lynne saying she was “unaware” of how much pain Brit was in at Christmas ‘06, following the divorce announcement. Anyone who watched the Diane Sawyer interview or the Matt Lauer interview – which both ran on major TV networks – knew she wasn’t a happy camper. And this was before the divorce was even announced.
Did her family live in a cave? Have their heads in the sand? What gives??
November 14th, 2008 at 1:44 pm
Mark. I have an attorney (brother-in-law) I could probably ask. However, I think Wolk put it best. You guys really are the only ones I can safely talk to.
Do you know how much ridicule and lack of understanding I get from most others when it comes to Britney much less the paparazzi? It’s more than that. It’s the negative unsought hurtful commentary made against the woman.
As well few people know the story or the case as well as we do. omg. Just got another email from my other brother, who is also an attorney. Defense. We got into it last night (I avoided talking politics with him. I don’t know how we got on Britney. oh yeah. Now I do. Palin and the tabloids, and the “evil” Democrats and nasty campaign.) Here is my support system as of this morning, “As I related, it is enough for me that she kissed Madonna in full view of my children, which I found disgusting. It is enough for me that she thinks it is ok to run around without panties on.
There are more important people and/or causes in the world than Britney Spears.”
aw, everything you wrote made sense in context to someone stepping forward. This was after your long long smoke break.
I can still ask my other brother the judge but he is a county judge, e.g., makes decisions on urban development, water but he used to be a prosecutor and at one point a prosecutor and coroner. He and I are tight. He’s an evil Democrat like me.
November 14th, 2008 at 1:47 pm
p.s. Sorry to dump personal stuff out there again.
Also, if we really do have a conservatorship question, my brother-in-law is amply qualified on trusts, inheritance, tax and convervatorship.
He is not the type to belittle me but he has a sense of humor and I know he will tease.
November 14th, 2008 at 1:52 pm
Steel. With all due respect to others’ religions I think they prayed? And prayed and prayed?
Or were they just plain distracted by plans to uproot Lutfi?
November 14th, 2008 at 1:58 pm
AM, I tend to go with Option B.
November 14th, 2008 at 2:07 pm
I go with both. There’s alot of praying going on this book.
November 14th, 2008 at 2:16 pm
Steel? How do you name a company like Northern Trust Bank to be a conservator? Who was there? Who would have been the point of contact for Howard Grossman? I have had too much caffeine. bzzzz
November 14th, 2008 at 2:32 pm
Steel_Magnolia Says:
November 14th, 2008 at 12:13 pm
small, at the time I thought MT was calling ME brother! Ha ha.
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Oh, maybe he was LOL.
November 14th, 2008 at 2:36 pm
Steel_Magnolia Says:
November 14th, 2008 at 12:50 pm
But I’m wondering…Why was it that Jamie was chosen to be Conservator if they had such a bad relationship to begin with? Why not Lynne? I realize her and Lynne were fighting at the time, but…It sounds like she’d been fighting with her Dad for even longer. How was it that HE was the guy who was put in that role?
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From what I read, he was chosen for two reasons:
1. He was a resident of CA.