Video: Hayden Panittiere Still A Hero
Potential Spoiler Warning!
I’ve been following Heroes since the pilot episode debuted at Comic Con a couple years back and have faithfully followed the series over the ups and downs of the series since then. I’ve been waiting along side many of you who have been expecting some huge break through in the quality of the series. I’m not sure if this video helps or hinders my patience as we see the return of Hayden’s character Claire’s nemesis.
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December 10th, 2008 at 7:09 pm
WHEN YOU GUYS GET A CHANCE WORK ON A PAP 101, IT’S BEEN 3 WEEKS, SINCE WE’VE SEEN ONE !!!!
December 10th, 2008 at 7:11 pm
Get back to work!!!
December 12th, 2008 at 11:17 am
LOL @ Ronnie
December 12th, 2008 at 11:28 am
gigi Says:
December 11th, 2008 at 9:43 pm
The only difference between pops and Sam is pops doesn’t parade her around all night long and is not grinding her meds up in her food. She is still a prisoner almost like she was with Sam. He was the one that disabled her car and stole her phone. Oh wait. Pops has also taken her phone so that makes them even.
Free Brit and let her love whichever man she wants to and give her back her kids. Stop holding them over her head so that she will be the dancing puppet.
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Gigi, you made some great points with this earlier comment. It might be helpful to us to focus in on some of the things that you’ve mentioned.
There’s an overall story arch here. Is anyone else seeing it?
December 12th, 2008 at 3:25 pm
Its going to be harder for A to rescue her from pops than it was from Sam. Pops can hold the kids over her head even more than Sam could and he actually has the authority to make the kids go away if she does not do as he says. There is an old tv show that would fit here. I can’t remember the name of it but it stars George Strait. When he runs away from performing his manager just puts someone in his place and keeps going. His friend tells him about the dancing monkey on stage doing his show for him. That is what I think of pops and making Brit do the tour so soon and holding the kids visitation over her head. Dance Monkey or I take the kids.
Free Britney and Adnan!!!!!!!!!
December 12th, 2008 at 4:07 pm
LOL @ Gigi
G, I think you’ve hit the nail on the head with all of this.
Now that you’ve summed it up the way you have, things are really starting to become clearer in my head about everything.
I had some further thoughts about all of this after AM and I had our scrap last night. Something dawned on me, and it made me realize that AM and I might be disagreeing (in part) over terminology. In fact, the whole issue of “drugs” (rehab to custody case to 5150’s to C-Ship) could have been over the same kinds if issues.
I need to think on it a bit and then present it in a way that makes sense. I’m out for a bit, but will stop in tonight if I can think of some links and examples that would illustrate what I’ve been thinking…
Glad to see you found this. I hope others find it, too!
December 12th, 2008 at 6:20 pm
“Recent Money Trail For 2008?”
There was a period in 2008 when OK Magazine had access and exclusive (world) rights with Britney Spears photos/stories. Who brokered the rights of Britneys images to O.K. magazine. Photos of Sean Preston and Jayden James as well. Did the father of the boys know. Was the father notified and compinsated or gave permission for the photos since he was the legal guardian.
Did Jamie Spears or Lou Taylor broker these deals with “THE” magazine? And if so who got paid and how much? The type of images and access in a period of months would be in the multi-millions.
“Scenerio number 1…?”
From my understanding is that Britney Spears was never able to pass her recent drug test. Recently, back up dancers had to go through drug testing in order to work with Britney. It’s what I read somewhere but not 100% percent sure.
Now could this be used against Britney regarding her cell phone and being able to have some kind of contact outside of her conservatorships circle? Could they use Adnan’s as someone who still had contact with her as a tool to have the commissioner confiscate her phone. Then uses the media to have a photo Op of Britney holding a phone in her hands while leaving LAX International for Germany. Or how easy would it be for the conservatorship to make sure she fails her drug test in order to keep her in a shorter lease. Using Adnan as a weapon to the commissioner in order to grant the conservatorship total control. Now that Britney no longer have a phone, She no longer have any kind of contact in the outside world. she is now completely enclosed in the conseratorship. “They” now have absolute control.
“Scenerio number 2…?”
SM brought back Sam Lufti in the fold. Awesome idea! Sam on a ‘White Horse’?… Never thought of it that way but. But there’s more to Sam than meets the eyes.
“Scenerio number 3…?”
This is really not happening…. Britney is ‘Free As A Bird’… Adnan is still taking ‘Pictures’.. JFXONLINE does not exist.
And to Steel
SM is so good that I’m starting to think that she’s working for someone. We almost have the same note. By the way SM, do you have any New Years resolution this coming January? Wink…
Oh, and SM. I have lots of tattoos and a long hair. Iron Maiden, Black Sabbath, Judast Priest, Dio to name a few of my childhood music. So I hope your boyfriend had a good opinion on my music, lol!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kk3Sez9TC9E&feature=related
December 12th, 2008 at 6:44 pm
Ha, ha, MT…
Elvis has re-entered, wearing his white cape and bell bottoms.
We’ve jumped down another thread so we don’t have to deal with the video re-loading. But we’re still looking for heroes.
Although after this we may jump back up?
I don’t know if I pictured Sammy Black Hat riding in on a white horse, but I’ve been watching him MUCH longer than I have Adnan. I see him as…useful in this somehow?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfrHehFzVtk
And, me, working for someone? I do have a job, though if my boss caught me doing this he wouldn’t think it very amusing. I have other more “important” things I really should be working on. But sometimes the job becomes a little TOO depressing, so this is a nice way to lighten my day.
…Or maybe I’ve just always wanted to be Clarice? I toured a forensics lab once to see if I was up for the job…and passed out cold in front of a group of 40 people when the tour guide started discussing blood spatter patterns.
How embarassing… LOL
December 12th, 2008 at 6:49 pm
Sam on a white horse?? Yuck. That is not what she needs at all. He is too dangerous. Comparing him and A is like apples and oranges. Now that he is out of the picture he needs to stay out for good.
December 12th, 2008 at 6:53 pm
MT, I really don’t know if my boyfriend likes that group (though he does like Johnny Cash…) They’re more MY style. I painted their logo on the side of my art portfolio back in grade nine. Who could really survive without them?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZez_k4vAzU
…I also never pictured you with long hair. But for some reason I can picture you in a pair of 8-holes and camos. But maybe it’s just me. LOL
December 12th, 2008 at 7:29 pm
Haha.. Good old Docs. That was in High School in the 80’s.
7 jeans, orange Billabong shirt, blue Chuck Taylors, Alfani beanie, surf necklace, and my wedding ring. Calvin klein underware. Oh and JC Penny 100% cotton sock, LOL!!!!! It’s still sunny in Southern Cali…
The sidewalk I blend fine but not the bushes, LOL!!!
I have till the end of the year before the fireworks begin. I guess you can say I found a few more quarters in the couch.
December 12th, 2008 at 7:35 pm
Calvin Klein underwear?!
T.M.I.
…LOLOLOLOLOL!
Just kidding. At least you’re not wearing sandals with the cotton socks, K-Fed style. In my books, that would be a fashion faux-pas to the extreme.
There’s just NO forgiving socks and sandals. Ha ha!
December 12th, 2008 at 7:40 pm
lol Calvin Klien underwear lol Yes I can see why that would not blend in with the bushes. Glad you can come back until then or as long as possible.
December 12th, 2008 at 9:29 pm
MARK TWAIN Says:
December 12th, 2008 at 6:20 pm
Photos of Sean Preston and Jayden James as well. Did the father of the boys know. Was the father notified and compinsated or gave permission for the photos since he was the legal guardian
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You scratch my back, I’ll scratch your back?
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20243767,00.html
December 12th, 2008 at 9:41 pm
MARK TWAIN Says:
December 12th, 2008 at 6:20 pm
But there’s more to Sam than meets the eyes.
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Doing dictation? Unfortunately, he would’ve been smarter to press record:
http://britneybash.com/2008/02/06/sam_lutfi_helped_britney_rolling_stone_cover
December 12th, 2008 at 9:44 pm
MARK TWAIN Says:
December 12th, 2008 at 6:20 pm
Did Jamie Spears or Lou Taylor broker these deals with “THE” magazine? And if so who got paid and how much?
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Figuring this out is as easy as figuring out Section 41 of the WEG suit.
What was Jenny’s number again? This $$$ stuff is beyond my realm…
December 12th, 2008 at 9:53 pm
Geez, does this guy ever need some Media Coaching with Lou:
http://www.usmagazine.com/exclusive_sam_lutfi_on_britney_spear_her_family_is_crazy
Sounds like Ma read this article before writing her book. Is it just me, or does the book sound like a *response* to what Lutfi was saying about her in this article?
December 12th, 2008 at 9:56 pm
And, yes, I know Ama will give me hell for just posting that!
But I posted it for a reason. If you look beyond what a dickhead he is, there’s valuable information in the article.
December 12th, 2008 at 10:47 pm
“Steel_Magnolia Says:
December 12th, 2008 at 9:56 pm ”
What’s wrong with you? You keep repeating old stuff the whole time
Is it a try to do some kind of brainwashing on people here`:mrgreen:
You and MT (and some others) really start sound like you have a very very short memeorys.
I´m sad for Adnans sake, because you two does a real good work to destroy for him.
Maybe people just can’t look look through what you are trying to do?
More:
I dont belive your story about the tour in the forensics lab. Not a bad story at all, not anything bad about that.
Guess you needed something to fill out the “talk” in the comment and with MT
MT, the one with the magic show stones
December 12th, 2008 at 10:53 pm
I had forgotten about that article Steel.
So are we staying in this thread?
December 12th, 2008 at 10:58 pm
Amapola Says:
December 12th, 2008 at 10:47 pm
Maybe people just can’t look look through what you are trying to do?
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If I’m understanding you correctly, I think this is exactly it.
I’m not asking anyone to read the old articles – I’m asking them to re-read them and *read between the lines* to see what we missed the first time around.
We were missing key pieces of information at the time, and now we can go back and pick new information out of the articles that was right there in front of us and we didn’t even see it.
So I’m not asking anyone to read the articles and believe every word in them. Just the opposite, in fact.
December 12th, 2008 at 11:02 pm
Amapola Says:
December 12th, 2008 at 10:47 pm
I dont belive your story about the tour in the forensics lab. Not a bad story at all, not anything bad about that.
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I don’t get it…Why don’t you believe it? That I passed out? What I was trying to say is that at one time I thought about having a job like Clarice Starling, but that I have such a weak stomache that I pass out at the sight of blood. And I’m even worse with needles. So I wouldn’t make a very good cop!
That’s what I was trying to say.
December 12th, 2008 at 11:05 pm
Steel_Magnolia Says:
December 12th, 2008 at 11:02 pm
I don’t get it…Why don’t you believe it?
………
I told you, did I not?
Or have you forget?
December 12th, 2008 at 11:09 pm
Amapola Says:
December 12th, 2008 at 11:05 pm
I told you, did I not?
Or have you forget?
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Something’s getting lost in translation.
Actually, it seems like a LOT of things are getting lost in translation.
It’s the only explanation I can think of.
December 12th, 2008 at 11:15 pm
small hands Says:
December 12th, 2008 at 10:53 pm
I had forgotten about that article Steel.
So are we staying in this thread?
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We might as well stay here, by the looks of it. Sound okay?
December 12th, 2008 at 11:16 pm
“Steel_Magnolia Says:
December 12th, 2008 at 10:58 pm”
bs …you try to construct a story! The story you want them to “see” from “beetween the lines”.
You don’t fool me, that’s for sure.
December 12th, 2008 at 11:20 pm
Steel_
correction:
“Guess you needed something to fill out the “talk” in the comment with MT,
the one with the magic show stones
Or are “crystal balls” the correct words?
December 12th, 2008 at 11:47 pm
Amapola Says:
December 12th, 2008 at 11:16 pm
You don’t fool me, that’s for sure.
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Aw, shucks! LOL
December 12th, 2008 at 11:59 pm
Bishop takes rook.
Rook = Mark Twain.
silly = where’s your self-respect?
December 13th, 2008 at 12:14 am
Translation?
December 13th, 2008 at 12:33 am
I´m surprised I don’t have heard any comment about K-Fed kissing “a new blond”…
(video was on TMZ)
I could not see if they was kissing.
But the blond women, she looked like the blond women he was buying shoes together with some days ago.
December 13th, 2008 at 12:33 am
Person to person call.
December 13th, 2008 at 12:40 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZGWQauQOAQ
December 13th, 2008 at 1:09 am
You played your hand.
It’s lost in translation I am sure.
December 13th, 2008 at 1:11 am
Bishop takes rook.
What admiration that, MT.
December 13th, 2008 at 1:14 am
Did any of you know that Alli have told what she think???
IF true, one ABSOLUTELY can’t be sure of that, she could almost have written here
http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2008/12/02/2008-12-02_alli_sims_kevin_federline_dish_on_britne-1.html
December 13th, 2008 at 9:41 am
Amapola Says:
December 13th, 2008 at 1:14 am
Did any of you know that Alli have told what she think???
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Do you disagree with what Alli is saying?
How do you feel about Britney touring right now?
December 13th, 2008 at 9:44 am
Amapola Says:
December 13th, 2008 at 1:14 am
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Just to add to that…
I have very mixed feelings about her touring right now. I don’t understand how she could be going on tour, with all that pressure, if she is sick enough to be under conservatorship. At the same time, I can see how her parents and doctors might want to “keep her busy” and that a tour might help in her recovery.
I tried buying tickets to several different shows, but the tickets in my price range had all sold out in a matter of minutes.
In a way, I was relieved. I don’t want to see Britney suffer another breakdown, and don’t want to be a part of anything that contributes to it.
December 13th, 2008 at 10:05 am
Amapola Says:
December 13th, 2008 at 1:14 am
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…And then a couple of minutes later, it dawns on me that, WAIT!
Maybe she’s NOT sick enough to be under conservatorship.
Maybe she was never really “sick” at all?!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXK0Hjfkrgw
December 13th, 2008 at 10:14 am
Amapola,
I’m approaching this entire thing with this in mind:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_justice
…If that helps you to understand any better where I’m coming from. I certainly didn’t think this way a year ago, but over time I’ve come to realize that this concept *does* apply.
December 13th, 2008 at 10:18 am
The basic liberties according to Rawls:
- freedom of thought;
- liberty of conscience as it affects social relationships on the grounds of religion, philosophy, and morality;
- political liberties (e.g. representative democratic institutions, freedom of speech and the press, and freedom of assembly);
- freedom of association;
- freedoms necessary for the liberty and integrity of the person (viz: freedom from slavery, freedom of movement and a reasonable degree of freedom to choose one’s occupation); and
- rights and liberties covered by the rule of law.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_justice
December 13th, 2008 at 10:27 am
What has happened to Brit has been in the works for a very long time. And the media appears to have been used as a tool to make it happen.
Listen to what is said at 1:55 in from the beginning:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ylmAgd6Ch8
Contacted a year ago? That would date his participation in this to BEFORE Brit was sent to Rehab.
Kinda makes you think, doesn’t it? It sure makes ME think about everything I read in the media over the course of that year.
December 13th, 2008 at 11:24 am
Some interesting comments at 1:15 in from the start:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0UF5J7H04g&feature=related
It’s so refreshing to hear her talk! I hope we get to hear it again soon.
In her own words.
December 13th, 2008 at 4:21 pm
Rook = Mark Twain.
Haha. Never knew I was a part of the board.
If I was then you can say Bishop takes Rook. Remember that the Rook is the media.
So who do you think loses on this one?
I just happen to be playing besides their table. Ohh and what a game it was. Now new palyers are waiting to have their turn.
Real good ones.
I’m sure it will soon begin.
And when it does, I might have to forfit my own game just to watch their match next to me.
Soon enough the Britney ‘Conspiracy’ will unfold.
‘In Hollywood, it’s not what you know. It’s who you know.’
‘In Hollywood, it’s what you know and not necessarily who you know’.
Key to play in the ‘Big Time’ is ‘Use or be used’.
Only thing that matters is the outcome.
‘Image is everything’.
‘Thumbs Up’ to MTV peeps.
Not the documentary.
Bold and daring.
‘Mission Impossible’ like.
Nice story amongs friends.
December 13th, 2008 at 4:39 pm
Steel. You think you and I can agree to disagree? I haven’t been back to the Elvis thread. I don’t plan to.
Meanwhile, I think you will find the latter part of this Feb 2007 article very interesting. Page down to No Hearing.
“Michael Sands, a publicist for Federline’s attorney, told FOX News they believed someone made up the news of the hearing and told Los Angeles Superior Court spokesman Allan Parachini about it.”
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,253618,00.html
We go back to the court house and to a third party perhaps. Who would Parachini have trusted? Surely he got it through the usual channels like his secretary who got it through .. If there was never going to be a hearing then the sole aim was to get the news into the Associated Press? This may be the closest we ever got to the punyman.
December 13th, 2008 at 4:48 pm
AM, Of course we can agree to disagree. I don’t expect anyone to come “on side” with me, and I hope nobody expects me to come “on side” with them.
…Because there’s always two sides to every story. Yours, mine and the truth.
And the truth probably is somewhere in between.
We’re probably both a little bit right and a little bit wrong at the same time. Know what I mean?
I’m at the library…Better get off before I get booted off. LOL
Glad to see everyone talking.
December 13th, 2008 at 5:11 pm
Bless your heart Mark Twain. brb. Right direction you think on Parachini while we wait?
I haven’t found the original AP release regarding the emergency hearing that was never planned by either party. I’ll keep looking through the archives.
I’ll get back to you on what you generously posted. I do so love chess.
December 13th, 2008 at 5:13 pm
Steel. Thank you. Ever call somebody you were sparring with and said, “Don’t read the email I just sent. I was mad when I wrote it?”
Glad to see everyone talking too.
December 13th, 2008 at 5:23 pm
p.s. Steel. That’s why I didn’t go back to Elvis — that and I was intuitively drawn there or rather the opposite.
December 13th, 2008 at 5:42 pm
Found the AP release. Can’t send a link but you can find the article in full on the AP site. Here are the highlights:
As pop singer Britney Spears was reportedly checking out of rehab for the second time in a week, her estranged husband Kevin Federline has requested an emergency hearing in a Los Angeles court.
A court spokesman says Federline’s lawyer will try to persuade court officials to expedite the custody case involving the celebrity couple’s two children.
Last November, Federline filed papers seeking spousal support and sole custody of the children after Spears sought to end their two-year marriage last November.
Federline’s attorney, Mark Vincent Kaplan, did not return a call seeking comment.
Federline’s lawyer will try to persuade a Superior Court commissioner that the matter is urgent enough to be handled on an expedited basis, Parachini said.
The move comes after Spears reportedly checked into and out of two rehab centres last week and shaved her head bald on Friday.
<snip of soundbyte from a Hollywood publicist – Michael Levine. ‘He called on her to “tend to her own personal demons.”‘)
There are reports that Spears fled rehab out of worry that Federline would make a move to obtain permanent custody of the couple’s children while she was undergoing treatment.
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It’s the first time we civilians have seen the structure of how it is done and who was specifically used to damn Spears’ image.
A court official? The “credible” AP broadcasting? Does Pachini see it on his calendar in his computer or does someone call from the AP and prompt a search and a statement?
Screw the punyman let’s look for Darth Vadar.
December 13th, 2008 at 5:46 pm
AM
Referring to the FOX article you give the link to, I now ask you for help.
Could you please give me the date where I have marked (date?).
I´m sure it obvious for you all on this site, bit for me…
I would be so greatful, because this ariticle just make me dizzy, because of the dates
I dont know what dates they talk about. Have try to get it, but no..
December 13th, 2008 at 5:51 pm
AM
Here are the dates I dont get..
“No Hearing
Michael Sands, a publicist for Federline’s attorney, told FOX News they believed someone made up the news of the hearing and told Los Angeles Superior Court spokesman Allan Parachini about it.
Federline and his attorney Mark Vincent Kaplan say they never called for a hearing, and that no court papers for a hearing were ever filed.
Earlier Thursday (date?) , Jamie Spears told FOX News that Federline and his lawyer were not scheduled to appear Thursday (date?) at an emergency hearing in family law court, as Parachini had said. He also alluded to someone leaking misinformation.
Parachini later issued an update: “A lawyer has called the bailiff and indicated nothing is going to happen today (date?),” he said. He identified the lawyer as Kaplan.
Kaplan had contacted the court on Wednesday (date?) and asked for the appearance, according to the Associated Press.
“Kevin continues to be a very focused father with his children with hands-on management,” said a statement from Kaplan, read by Sands.
Parachini had said it was not known what issue the 28-year-old aspiring rapper planned to raise, though the former couple are in a custody dispute over their two children.
“Our best information is he will be here (date?); she won’t,” Parachini said. “But anything is possible.”
Federline sought spousal support and sole custody of Jayden James, 5 months, and Sean Preston, 17 months, after Spears moved to end their two-year marriage in November, but a temporary order issued Feb. 1 granted joint custody through this month.
Since last week (start date) , Spears has checked into rehab three times and last Friday night (date?) , she shaved her head.
Tuesday (date?)= Rudolph issued a brief statement Tuesday (date?) confirming the 25-year-old pop star had entered rehab.
Spears left the Promises’ Malibu facility on Wednesday(date?), according to “The Insider” TV news magazine, less than a day after arriving.
Last week (date=), she reportedly sought treatment at a center in the Caribbean but also checked out after a day (date?) .
The next day (date?) , she arrived at a San Fernando Valley hair salon, grabbed an electric razor and shaved her head bald.
Afterward, she visited a tattoo parlor, where she had a pair of red-and-pink lips inked onto her wrist. Then she went out clubbing with friends before apparently checking into Promises. (date?)
In public again Wednesday (this date I really are curious about) , Spears attempted to keep a low profile, but TMZ posted video of her wearing a wig and leaving what it said was a lawyer’s office.”
December 13th, 2008 at 5:54 pm
Doh! moment. Here’s the link.
http://www.aparchive.com/Search.aspx?st=k&remem=x&cfas=__a&kw=britney spears&kwstyle=and&date_style=ds_between&dteaf=2/12/07&dtebf=2/25/07&SLUG=&rids=&KEYWORD=&sort=relevance&prds=&cfas=-1&COLORSPACE=#sidebar_1f22a81ed63a21e8f695c6017f6aef7b
Los Angeles – 2/21/07 — there’s another article there that talks to the founder of Passages Malibu. He pretty much condemns Spears’ image and “confirms” through her words it’s about what is under Britney’s addictions and “self-mutilation.”
MT — do you consider tattoos to be self-mutilation? The Passages Malibu founder does and with that America is told how to correctly think about Brit’s trip to the tattoo partner, oh and the head-shaving.
December 13th, 2008 at 5:54 pm
Correction: Confirms through his words.
December 13th, 2008 at 5:55 pm
Does Small know where we are?
December 13th, 2008 at 6:21 pm
AP Entertainment
Los Angeles 21 February 2007
3. SOUNDBITE (English) Judge Glenda Hatchett, TV Judge:
“I think that given the latest turn of events that he has been advised and he does need to go to an emergency hearing. It will be interesting to see how that plays out, he certainly has the right to do that as the father of those two children. Now, whether he will be granted emergency relief is another question, he is certainly within his rights to do that. I would think that if the judge did something on that, it is going to probably be a temporary order, pending further explanation and investigation.”
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I don’t know how the AP goes about on other stories but certainly were useful in this and maybe even to date, to Darth’s purpose.
December 13th, 2008 at 6:24 pm
Thank you AM, but I could not get the date in order from that link..
I have start suspect that there are more then I who dont know about the dates, in “turn-taking”
Is it so?
How can one try to get it right?
Because without getting everything right, in order, and as transparent as possibly, we just going round, as lost in the wilderness, and making oursleves looking like fools.
December 13th, 2008 at 6:32 pm
Still nobody who know about the dates..
Because if not, we can stop talk about everything about what have happend, and who told, and who have done this, or that.
I find it CRAZY that they dont have any dates in the articels!!!
Look on my queation with the date(?) mark.. dont it look stupid?
If non of you understand what date they talk about..
Then its al a sludge, with no start and no ending..
And I find it impossilby to even talk about it. Having an opinon? ON what? When? Why? Who?
If not such an important thing as dates are in the information… 8o
December 13th, 2008 at 6:34 pm
looks at watch — where the hell is the VJ?
December 13th, 2008 at 6:35 pm
What the VJ?
December 13th, 2008 at 6:43 pm
Ama, let me catch. Thursday, February 22, 2007
Here was my trail:
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20012207_20013222,00.html
Then to Fox
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,253618,00.html
and finally to the Associated Press archives database.
I am happy for company. I need to find for myself the first time that some PR person or Promises type person used the term bi-polar. I know I saw it earlier today. I’ve been wondering a long time who was the first to put that idea into the media and onto my mom’s kitchen table where she sips coffee and reads the news. My mother in this case represents the universal household sans the Internet. I am fascinated by what makes her newspaper and why.
December 13th, 2008 at 7:15 pm
Ama. Sorry I misunderstood. Does your computer have a calendar? It is easier to find dates that way
December 13th, 2008 at 7:25 pm
Sunday, February 18, 2007
Mon-Friday
Saturday February 24th
any other weeks you need?
Week before:
Sunday Feb. 10th … maybe I will play around with it. Dates are important. The most misleading dates I have found in Britney’s case are “the next day” when really for her life style it was the same day, the same night.
In other words, to believe the events of January 28th 2008 and January 29th 2008 are separate is misleading. She awoke on the 28th and all of the events led up to the second 5150.
I am just giving an example in ciphering the story as it happened in her world.
If I bother to put all of the dates in, I will post it. It’s a clue to understanding the manipulation of the events and players.
Was Parchini falsely informed that there would be an emergency hearing in the custody of the children? Or not.
December 13th, 2008 at 7:27 pm
Ama, use your common sense. what date did she shave her head, what dates did she go to rehab, what date was the article written. it’s not rocket science.
December 13th, 2008 at 7:57 pm
And there is MH. All aboard save Nosey.
No Hearing
Michael Sands, a publicist for Federline’s attorney, told FOX News they believed someone made up the news of the hearing and told Los Angeles Superior Court spokesman Allan Parachini about it.
Federline and his attorney Mark Vincent Kaplan say they never called for a hearing, and that no court papers for a hearing were ever filed.
Earlier Thursday (2/22), Jamie Spears told FOX News that Federline and his lawyer were not scheduled to appear Thursday at an emergency hearing in family law court, as Parachini had said. He also alluded to someone leaking misinformation.
Parachini later issued an update: “A lawyer has called the bailiff and indicated nothing is going to happen today,” he said. He identified the lawyer as Kaplan.
Kaplan had contacted the court on Wednesday and asked for the appearance, according to the Associated Press.
Same article just emphasizing. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,253618,00.html
December 13th, 2008 at 8:03 pm
Ama. VJ = Video Jockey aka SM.
December 13th, 2008 at 8:22 pm
I know I stumbled on to something but am waiting for confirmation from you guys.
If you didn’t get to the AP database here are tidbits from an article there dated Wednesday February 17, 2007
EMERGENCY FAMILY COURT HEARING FOR K-FED
Britney Spears estranged husband, Kevin Federline is scheduled to appear in court on Thursday at an emergency hearing in family law court.
Federline’s pending appearance was confirmed by Superior Court spokesman Allan Parachini.
It was not known what issue 28 year old aspiring rapper was planning to raise, but the couple are locked in a custody dispute over their two children – Jayden James, 5 months, and Sean Preston, 17 months.
Judge Glenda Hatchett, TV Judge in the US told AP Entertainment that Federline had been advised he needed “to go to an emergency hearing.”
advised? How would the TV judge know that? but it plays out as fact now when it’s not
“It will be interesting to see how that plays out, he certainly has the right to do that as the father of those two children,” continued Hatchett.
But whether Federline would “be “granted emergency relief is another question,” she said.
“He is certainly within his rights to do that. I would think that if the judge did something on that, it is going to probably be a temporary order, pending further explanation and investigation,” Hatchett added.
The scheduled court appearance follows a week of bizarre events that saw an increasingly erratic Spears check in and out of a live in rehabilitation facility twice in a week.
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Since the VJ isn’t here … what if there had been a plan but they didn’t have to make a move because Brit couldn’t get into to see the kids and tripped herself up .. or Larry making statements.
I wonder why K-Fed went for sole custody instead of joint — surely Kaplan guided him on that.
December 13th, 2008 at 9:32 pm
“MH Says:
December 13th, 2008 at 7:27 pm Ama, use your common sense. what date did she shave her head, what dates did she go to rehab, what date was the article written. it’s not rocket science”
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Dont be so vainglorious MH.
Look on K-Fed and his (?), maybe (?) new blond women, kissing, you get happy again
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This is an article (Fox) who jump back and forth with names on weekdays, and also back and forth on “the week before”
Also, there is a story comming back, or the same story told from some other (?) , inside the article.
The same story and days.. As I understand it. but in different order.
I read that Britney and Federling had a talk on Wednesday night, and they had an agreement about something…no court, stay as it was..
Wonder if he already then know he would go to court on Thursday?
If it was the night before he get to court, then he lie to her, and to her father, because Jamie didn´t know anything about it.
Or was it some other Wednesday
I just wonder.
December 13th, 2008 at 9:45 pm
Michael Sands – Paris Hilton
“SANDS: Well, you know, I have been with Paris. My son and I were with Paris last year, and I found her to be incredible one-on-one. I think it`s all of this is of Paris` own making, but her mother and father have definitely made Paris emotionally dependent on them. She can`t make a move without them. She`s not grown up.”
6-12-07 CNN
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0706/12/sbt.01.html
Could Paris Hilton Have Actually Found God?; Stephen Baldwin Gives Insight
Aired June 12, 2007 – 23:00:00 ET
SANDS: But I mean, listen, today`s day and age, everyone is famous for something. And that`s OK. You can`t begrudge someone for that, whether it`s a sex tape, or whether a book, or whatever. But her parents have really gone overboard, especially when her mom spoke to Barbara Walters. If she really found God and spirituality, you don`t have to announce it to the world. I`m with Mike Tyson or Alec Baldwin, and they don`t announce it to the world.
This announcement kind of throws me for a loop because she actually had me believing that she`s going to change her ways. But her mother and father keep pampering her. And they always have a mattress in which to catch her.
HAMMER: Yeah.
SANDS: And I think that Paris is still in jail. And it`s still jail no matter how you pad it, whether it`s in the medical ward, or whatever. The food is horrible there. And she`s really having to deal with herself now, which she may grow up from, if people and her handlers, her parents, will leave her alone.”
December 13th, 2008 at 10:13 pm
Ama. Look at the dates but also who is speaking and what they say, line by tedious line.
Who is lying? Kaplan’s team ala Sands says there never was a court date or a plan for an emergency hearing.
They say there was a leak. Really? If there was a leak then is to say it wasn’t in the Kaplan Team planning?
If you found it confusing it’s because you have to question the media and read the article tedious line by line.
I would think it would be more difficult for you not because of dates but because of subtleties of language.
The manipulation of words, sentences.
The AP reported there was an emergency hearing.
Once Britney was in rehab the third time (is this right???) Kaplan’s team that includes Sands says an emergency hearing was never the plan: the kids would say with K-Fed.
The public is meanwhile convinced that Brit is in dire straights and suffering from bi-polar or postpartum depression and an addict who self-mutilates and if she is going to hurt herself.
It doesn’t matter if it’s true. It has to be true enough for people to believe (or else lawsuits for libel, slander, or whatever — is this right?) and that includes jurors, attorneys, paps, everybody.
Somebody or Team Vadar wanted to see her hurt and they did it. Was it part of a larger plan? It would see so. It divided her from Larry, her Mom, every body and her reliance on Sims and that pap to get her own story out…
Need to mull over some more. I know you are a researcher Ama. You used to be full of fire and contributed things. You were a great cook.
A girl who slices meat and hangs it in the wind can never lose that passion or lore of knowledge.
December 13th, 2008 at 10:14 pm
Correction: the kids would “stay” will K-Fed.
December 13th, 2008 at 10:22 pm
I don’t want to lose sight of Parachini, the L.A. Courthouse, and the AP.
It’s interesting though that Sands was in the picture very early. By November 9, 2006.
I understand Hollywood moves in close circles but around we go. Sands, Mintz and others.
For lands’ sake can’t or won’t someone dig up Sands prior retraining orders?
December 13th, 2008 at 10:26 pm
Parachini has an interesting background. One wouldn’t think he was easily duped.
Did he apologize for the misinformation or take it on the cheek? Was it misinformation or did K-Fed’s team retrack, panic, oops bad move, premature.
c’mon MT jump in anywhere. I was thirsty and you said you would slake my thirst. I think that is where we began, when the riddles and clues appeared.
Maybe you knew there were more people like me wanting to know and that it wouldn’t be wasted.
December 13th, 2008 at 10:28 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEI4U5KyAS0
December 13th, 2008 at 10:31 pm
So what do we have coming across the airwaves and into our family rooms?
- a TV judge
- a phantom report of a custody hearing
Where is Britney during this? Watching TV by any chance?
December 13th, 2008 at 10:34 pm
And lets not forget the TV psychologist.
http://www.drphil.com/contact_main/
Already on the scene. We just didn’t know it yet.
December 13th, 2008 at 10:43 pm
But is any of it legit? Doesn’t matter:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtycdRBAbXk
December 13th, 2008 at 10:57 pm
Speaking of image, do you think her handlers realize what she’s doing in the freshly posted photos?
Too funny!
http://www.britneyspears.com/2008/12/exclusive-britney-in-japan.php?bfm_index=0&bfm_page=0
December 13th, 2008 at 11:07 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 13th, 2008 at 5:42 pm
Found the AP release. Can’t send a link but you can find the article in full on the AP site…
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It’s the first time we civilians have seen the structure of how it is done and who was specifically used to damn Spears’ image….
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Screw the punyman let’s look for Darth Vadar.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYO_0lfYAmk
December 13th, 2008 at 11:15 pm
For reference:
Ignore the “dirty gossip” and look at the dates…
How does the Emergency Hearing fit in?
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Feb. 12, 2007 – Britney, at NY’s Club One, switches outfits and parties in a bikini. A video is rumoured to exist which could lead to her loosing custody of her children. (NY Daily News)
Feb. 14, 2007 – Britney checks into Crossroads Centre, a rehab facility on the Caribbean island of Antigua, only to check out a day later. (MTV)
Feb. 16, 2007 – Shaves her head in Sherman Oaks. (MTV)
Feb. 20, 2007 – Checks into Promises Malibu Alcohol and Drug Rehab Treatment Facility in Malibu, California, only to check out less than 24 hours later. (MTV)
Feb, 21, 2007 – Sources tell TMZ.com Britney went this morning to meet with Blair Berk, a prominent criminal defense lawyer. Berk once repped Reese Witherspoon in her battle with hard-driving paparazzi. (PopDirt)
Feb. 21, 2007 – Attacks X17 pap team w/ umbrella
Feb. 22, 2007 – Checks back into Promises, as Kevin asks the court for an emergency hearing to help sort out custody issues. (MTV)
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AM, Are these dates correct?
December 13th, 2008 at 11:33 pm
# Steel_Magnolia Says:
December 13th, 2008 at 10:31 pm
So what do we have coming across the airwaves and into our family rooms?
- a TV judge
- a phantom report of a custody hearing
Where is Britney during this? Watching TV by any chance?
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That and “expert testimony” that she’s a trainwreck and her career is over. Danger danger danger. Spears “hasn’t recorded an album since 2003.” No, “Spears wanted to be a mama like you, Spears is just like you, she gave up her career for her children.”
Yes?
December 13th, 2008 at 11:37 pm
Steel. About the timeline. Some of the dates we worked with were from articles in the final arrangement. In other words, they contained other dates, “Last Wednesday” bla bla.
What missing is the time between Britney saw her kids last and when she was physically available to see them … also any teasers, “Sure babe come over any time. I got the kids.”
That’s always missing from the timeline. The how she was driven, her desire to be with her children .. any teasing power-holding K-Fed had (are we to believe the various “agreements” and prices of? Britney offers final settlement of $10M, Brit ups to $11, Britney up to $25 Million — what happened to the pre-nup? Did he get half the proceeds of the Malibu house? The house that Lynne was directed to go look for drugs? We need a more thorough timeline — one that tells both sides).
Ah Ga Ga the VJ is back.
December 13th, 2008 at 11:44 pm
steel — do we want all of that online?
Damn.
‘Right before Britney went into Promises (which time Lynne??), after she shaved her head, I got an anonymous call from a man while i was driving in Los Angeles, “There are drugs planted in Britney’s Malibu house,” he said, going on to tell me that there was a conspiracy with Kevin and Britney’s assistants to make my daughter look like a bad mother.’
I’ll never see Sam on a white horse especially as someone Sands and had someone in common that was mutual.
What was the effect of all that news back then? “Thank God Britney is getting help?” And then we moved along. “oh ok she’s getting help. DRUG addict!”
December 13th, 2008 at 11:45 pm
I meant the timeline in public. Well we’ve come this far may as well keep going.
We might precede MT’s Rook business in teensy steps.
December 13th, 2008 at 11:51 pm
I don’t know Steel about Dr. Phil being on the scene — yakking with Lynne and all her fears? Yeh, that I see.
“She won’t talk to me Phil and these pictures. I never raised my daughter to show that!”
I deal with Dr. Phil in sketches… He is also another man of religion. I hate to keep hitting on that but god god god and 12 stepping.
I mean no offense to anyone just looking at Lynne’s circle, and Britney was outside of it — just like her other two children would become.
Why one wonders. What did you think of Britney auditioning at age 9? Kid was working. That was not fun and play. Very strange looks she gives after her audition/performance/do my dog trick.
December 14th, 2008 at 12:00 am
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 13th, 2008 at 11:44 pm
I’ll never see Sam on a white horse especially as someone Sands and had someone in common that was mutual.
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I’ll never see him on a white horse, either.
I see him more as a manipulative charmer with a filthy mouth and a story to tell:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0Zlpaj_Qbk&feature=related
December 14th, 2008 at 12:02 am
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 13th, 2008 at 11:44 pm
do we want all of that online?
Damn.
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That’s a story that should fit nicely into the timeline.
December 14th, 2008 at 12:04 am
Steel. Here is something I want to be a bulldog on.
Parachini was made to look bad. He made statements to the press that were in error. What happened there? Who was telling the truth? Who changed the truth? What was the truth.
I know you can be a bulldog. We are burrs in each other’s side at times.
So let’s not scurry off so fast into the macro world when the micro is before us.
December 14th, 2008 at 12:04 am
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 13th, 2008 at 11:51 pm
I don’t know Steel about Dr. Phil being on the scene — yakking with Lynne and all her fears?
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Did Brit know that the good Doctor was on the scene?
I bet she did…I bet you at least $5 she did.
December 14th, 2008 at 12:06 am
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 12:04 am
Here is something I want to be a bulldog on.
Parachini was made to look bad. He made statements to the press that were in error. What happened there? Who was telling the truth? Who changed the truth? What was the truth.
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I’m betting HE thought they were the truth.
To start. Gotta think on that a bit. Bulldog me some more if I don’t come back to it.
December 14th, 2008 at 12:09 am
ok on Britney knowing her parent(s) were talking to Dr. Phil while nobody listens to her, “Kevin stepped out on me!” maybe.
Oh and did you come across Britney’s “management” being the ones to pull her away from Paris? AP.
Also, don’t miss that Michael Sands and his son spent time with Paris in 2006. How does “that” happen? Sands and his son?
December 14th, 2008 at 12:10 am
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 13th, 2008 at 11:44 pm
‘Right before Britney went into Promises (which time Lynne??), after she shaved her head, I got an anonymous call from a man while i was driving in Los Angeles, “There are drugs planted in Britney’s Malibu house,” he said, going on to tell me that there was a conspiracy with Kevin and Britney’s assistants to make my daughter look like a bad mother.’
Plus:
Feb, 21, 2007 – Sources tell TMZ.com Britney went this morning to meet with Blair Berk, a prominent criminal defense lawyer. Berk once repped Reese Witherspoon in her battle with hard-driving paparazzi. (PopDirt)
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Any relation??
December 14th, 2008 at 12:10 am
I’m sure MT didn’t like the Don Bolles story either.
December 14th, 2008 at 12:16 am
lol Steel. You grabbed my throat the other night. I know you are good for it.
Parachini. Who told him what was on the docket? How did it get into the system and retracted?
Where does Parachini go after the news is blown there is and never was a movement for this emergency hearing? No where.
Why didn’t he or someone else blow it out of the water? Hey, corruption in our system here…or…
“We will never sell our friend for money or favors” JFX. That line may say it all. Who knows.
It is unlikely Parachini would return a phone call of mine but you never know. My expertise was to get people to call me back but I don’t like wasting anyone’s time. I have no role and without one’s it’s wasting people’s time. A selfish need for knowledge. Won’t do it. It would be nuts.
December 14th, 2008 at 12:19 am
And who is the “official” word coming from on this story?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,253618,00.html
December 14th, 2008 at 12:26 am
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 13th, 2008 at 7:57 pm
Kaplan had contacted the court on Wednesday and asked for the appearance, according to the Associated Press.
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This tells me the AP may have received a press release.
Possible? From who?
December 14th, 2008 at 12:28 am
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 13th, 2008 at 8:22 pm
Judge Glenda Hatchett, TV Judge in the US told AP Entertainment that Federline had been advised he needed “to go to an emergency hearing.”
advised? How would the TV judge know that?
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“Judge” for hire?
December 14th, 2008 at 12:30 am
This may be helpful in the future:
http://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/monthly.html?year=2007&month=2&country=1
December 14th, 2008 at 12:36 am
I think they all love the limelight but if we found the same names over and over as SMEs (subject matter experts) .. we just need to find a pattern of sources, release…
I don’t work or haven’t worked that beat you know what I mean?
The AP and a press release? I asked about that earlier. Who contacted Parahini for an update? Was he prompted? Or did he call a mini press conference? What other reporters got the information?
And about that call… I think I could pull it off but … You deal with primary sources as I have in the past. This reliance on secondary resources is driving me wild.
And yet I defer to someone else(s) who might do it. Does Twain? Rook. We didn’t do the job so maybe else is working on it. Or we did enough publicly to draw an eye.
Let’s not lose Parachini. Am I wrong in saying he is the closest to-it? A clear path as to timing, purpose, aim, misinformation, information, then a pull away.
Parahini learns from the bailiff about the “change” in the case that was never a “change” because there never was anything on the books as to an emergency hearing. But there was.
December 14th, 2008 at 12:38 am
I’ll work on the timeline maybe tomorrow. I am flagging a bit here. I want to be accurate.
Also, not being a bulldog but I don’t want to distance myself too much from Paris. She knew how the game was done and then she got screwed for misbehavior. Maybe.
December 14th, 2008 at 12:39 am
# Steel_Magnolia Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 12:30 am
This may be helpful in the future:
http://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/monthly.html?year=2007&month=2&country=1
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There you go Ama courtesy of Steel.
December 14th, 2008 at 12:42 am
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 12:36 am
Parahini learns from the bailiff about the “change” in the case that was never a “change” because there never was anything on the books as to an emergency hearing. But there was.
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Plus:
“Michael Sands, a publicist for Federline’s attorney, told FOX News they believed someone made up the news of the hearing and told Los Angeles Superior Court spokesman Allan Parachini about it.”
Plus
“Earlier Thursday, Jamie Spears told FOX News that Federline and his lawyer were not scheduled to appear Thursday at an emergency hearing in family law court, as Parachini had said. He also alluded to someone leaking misinformation.”
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,253618,00.html
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But there was.
Any idea of the time and date that the emergency hearing was originally “called in”?
December 14th, 2008 at 12:44 am
If Parachini got a press release? I’ll roll over and puke like the stray cat did last night on the property (we recently adopted her feral though she is). Court hearings are set by press release?
Why direct the press release through Parachini? ok Steel, the L.A. Court House gets press releases about court dates… c’mon.
For once you too thought out loud, maybe. Something official was logged into the computer system. The someone called Parachini? “Anything new any comments?” I have no idea how TMZ works just their court work on Britney was taken over by X. Or they choose not to report in the way they used to. Why.
December 14th, 2008 at 12:50 am
Just got your message. You have the time and date stamp from the AP as well as I.
If Parachini reported the hearing it was somewhere that he didn’t quite dispute what he was reading. Maybe that aid was fired.
Parachini can’t talk. He double checks procedure but that’s all.
ok why be so biased? How do I know the hearing was on the books? Why assume Parachini is a good guy, above taking a slide of cash or favor? He’s four years in the job and it’s the most exciting visible case he’s ever seen (need cross proof or do I?)
He’s in the paper. He’s getting dinner reservations, who knows. Hollywood is Brit’s hand in Japan. Glad she got away with it.
December 14th, 2008 at 12:51 am
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 12:38 am
Also, not being a bulldog but I don’t want to distance myself too much from Paris. She knew how the game was done and then she got screwed for misbehavior. Maybe.
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http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/2007/04/kevin-federline-paris-hilton-party-in-las-vegas/
Schadenfreude?
December 14th, 2008 at 12:53 am
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 12:44 am
If Parachini got a press release?
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No, the AP.
Did the AP receive a press release stating that there was a hearing?
December 14th, 2008 at 12:54 am
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 12:44 am
Something official was logged into the computer system.
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I’ll bet you $5 it was. Okay, $4.
Logged, then cancelled?
December 14th, 2008 at 1:01 am
About Judge Glenda. Never heard of her and you?
It it my idea that Judge Glenda is mentioned, who, oh Judge Judy, and moved on with the article.
Reasonable yes?
December 14th, 2008 at 1:01 am
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 12:16 am
lol Steel. You grabbed my throat the other night. I know you are good for it.
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Just catching up…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7gTZDd7G_k
…LOL!
December 14th, 2008 at 1:05 am
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 12:36 am
I think they all love the limelight but if we found the same names over and over as SMEs (subject matter experts) .. we just need to find a pattern of sources, release…
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Yes. Starting with the headline, right down to the last word.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,253618,00.html?sPage=fnc/entertainment/celebrity/spears
December 14th, 2008 at 1:11 am
I believe Parachini would have read from some official paper. But why do it? Was there a press conference? Was he contacted? “Dummy, look in your in-box. Hot news there. EMERGENCY hearing in Britney Spears.”
The AP? I really am racking my brains on something that happened in Seattle, in “our town” that they weren’t reporting on. It was something strange and was a strike in my image of the AP as on top of it.
9-11. They were strange times. It wasn’t me reporting in some clue or something … it was something I couldn’t believe they weren’t on top of. My point is simply AP is fallible.
And thus there is Ama’s point. I say something and it becomes fact of a sort because somebody said it, asked it, whatever.
If AP got a press release who would have sent it? If sending to AP it would have had to have a identity code .. something official. Something. On the other hand it could have been sent by a top PR firm. How would the AP have handled it?
There have been no apologies or explanation. Parachini went down as fall guy. I bet he would like a chance to clear his name as we the people didn’t predictably forget about it.
December 14th, 2008 at 1:11 am
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 1:01 am
About Judge Glenda. Never heard of her and you?
It it my idea that Judge Glenda is mentioned, who, oh Judge Judy, and moved on with the article.
Reasonable yes?
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Media or Speaking Requests? Just fill out the form!
http://www.glendahatchett.com/index.html
December 14th, 2008 at 1:15 am
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 1:11 am
I believe Parachini would have read from some official paper. But why do it? Was there a press conference? Was he contacted?
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What came first? Parachini, or Judge Hatchett?
December 14th, 2008 at 1:16 am
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 1:11 am
If AP got a press release who would have sent it? If sending to AP it would have had to have a identity code .. something official. Something. On the other hand it could have been sent by a top PR firm. How would the AP have handled it?
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http://www.sandsdigitalmedia.com/
???
December 14th, 2008 at 1:18 am
lol — oh is that what that song was about.
Agreed on Judge Judy (strike!) Glenda.
What do you make of Michael Levine? PR guru whatever.
If you read all the AP articles you know it was him that was talking about trainwreck, career over and bla bla.
Even better if we tied in a single name to Anna Nicole Smith and her own designed end. I don’t know. I keep thinking Florida and Northern Trust Bank. Orlando was a hot bed.
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Sands is so weird today I can’t believe he was on CNN as some expert witness.
I know MT, space junk. I had it walking in. Patience?
December 14th, 2008 at 1:21 am
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 12:50 am
Just got your message. You have the time and date stamp from the AP as well as I.
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Not the date and time stamp from AP. The date and time stamp for when the hearing was actually booked.
Any chance it was booked some time between here:
Feb. 20, 2007 – Checks into Promises Malibu Alcohol and Drug Rehab Treatment Facility in Malibu, California, only to check out less than 24 hours later. (MTV)
And here:
Feb, 21, 2007 – Sources tell TMZ.com Britney went this morning to meet with Blair Berk, a prominent criminal defense lawyer. Berk once repped Reese Witherspoon in her battle with hard-driving paparazzi. (PopDirt)
???
Oh my God, that Britney’s shameless! Checking out so spontaneously. Whatever would have provoked that?
December 14th, 2008 at 1:22 am
Back to our own primary sources, we have Mark talking about the end of December and then the three months. Keep it in your pocket.
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Not quite relevant but even the VJ has to go for a piss break.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLXULfN77TQ
December 14th, 2008 at 1:23 am
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 1:18 am
I keep thinking Florida and Northern Trust Bank. Orlando was a hot bed.
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I didn’t catch that the first time around.
December 14th, 2008 at 1:34 am
Forget bulldogs. Pitbulls.
What if there is no press release?
Courthouse.
December 14th, 2008 at 1:40 am
From the Fox News article:
“Parachini had said it was not known what issue the 28-year-old aspiring rapper planned to raise, though the former couple are in a custody dispute over their two children.
“Our best information is he will be here; she won’t,” Parachini said. “But anything is possible.”"
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Does “Emergency Hearing” equal “Ex Parte”?
“An ex parte decision is one decided by a judge without requiring all of the parties to the controversy to be present. In Australian, Canadian, U.K., and U.S. legal doctrines, ex parte means a legal proceeding brought by one person in the absence of and without representation or notification of other parties.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex_parte
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Ummm…
It’s kind of hard to reach an “ex parte” decision when the other party spontaneously springs herself from rehab…
Feb. 20, 2007 – Checks into Promises Malibu Alcohol and Drug Rehab Treatment Facility in Malibu, California, only to check out less than 24 hours later. (MTV)
December 14th, 2008 at 1:42 am
WOW at 1:21.
You are the master chef.
There were those reports based on Britney fearing her husband would try to take her children. So she checked out.
Then the next news Mom-Home gets is what — oh no no there was never an emergency court hearing.
If you look at this another way though?
If you look at this, and Steel I am just going to explore, an abuser always keeps his prey unrested and on the defense. Tuck it away. It might play in later and thus play sooner.
December 14th, 2008 at 1:47 am
Without getting too much into Anna Nicole (many have documented similarities between Anna and Britney and I don’t mean their “psychoses” but people and roles they took around them.)
Florida is probably odd bird or odd ball. But everything comes from Orlando. Not everything just.. ok there’s Brit’s business, WEG, Britney living with Justin in Orlando years ago. But then there’s that darned Northern Trust Fund.
I followed it before. Got no where. Throw it somewhere on the table or your bulletin board or in the trash.
We are getting somewhere maybe with Parachini and that week in February.
Wow to you. Britney left rehab for a reason. To fight for her children? To not let that S.O.B. win? (putting things into extremes here)
I never thought about it like that. The time/date becomes critical.
December 14th, 2008 at 1:49 am
And the end of it is, she-looks-bad.
December 14th, 2008 at 1:51 am
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 1:42
an abuser always keeps his prey unrested and on the defense. Tuck it away. It might play in later and thus play sooner.
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Checking out so spontaneously. Impressive.
Most impressive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0M241GwjRy4
December 14th, 2008 at 1:56 am
This made no sense.
“Then the next news Mom-Home gets is what — oh no no there was never an emergency court hearing.”
So Mom gets home … there’s no court date, Britney’s crazy… when did the decision of the Malibu home come down?
What angers me here or frustrates is Lynne and Jamie’s involvement?
Pit bull. Otherwise I’ll get off track.
In minutiae then we may look at this week. Want to?
Don’t forget what Bishops are Steel in the present story. Thanks Mark. They are pussies and I am glad you are standing.
December 14th, 2008 at 1:58 am
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 1:56 am
What angers me here or frustrates is Lynne and Jamie’s involvement?
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Ignore the source. Look at the date:
http://x17online.com/celebrities/britney_spears/britneys_mom_and_kevin_on_the_same_team-02222007.php
December 14th, 2008 at 2:05 am
Steel_Magnolia Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 1:40 am
Does “Emergency Hearing” equal “Ex Parte”?
“An ex parte decision is one decided by a judge without requiring all of the parties to the controversy to be present. In Australian, Canadian, U.K., and U.S. legal doctrines, ex parte means a legal proceeding brought by one person in the absence of and without representation or notification of other parties.” (Wiki)
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IF I have that right, then this now makes much more sense:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hlhM6kRsqo
I don’t remember ever seeing the first take before. Interesting.
December 14th, 2008 at 2:14 am
Good night Steel.
December 14th, 2008 at 2:19 am
Steel_Magnolia Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 1:58 am
Ignore the source. Look at the date
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Just for review…
Considering the source, to be taken with a HUGE lump of salt:
http://x17online.com/celebrities/britney_spears/x17_xclusive_britney_update_a_new_man_a_new_agent_a_new_explanation_for_the_letter-06292007.php
Half true, half false? Who knows. But now it looks different, yet again.
P.S. Goodnight, A.M. Good work.
December 14th, 2008 at 3:16 am
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 13th, 2008 at 5:55 pm
Does Small know where we are?
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I do. I’ve been busy. I’m trying to get caught up and will try to post. I’ll be busy tomorrow too, so I will post more during the week
December 14th, 2008 at 5:21 am
MARK TWAIN Says:
December 13th, 2008 at 4:21 pm
Key to play in the ‘Big Time’ is ‘Use or be used’.
Only thing that matters is the outcome.
‘Image is everything’.
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Sorry, MT. We’ll make it to present day in due time.
In the meantime…
“Image is everything.”
AM (or anyone), a question…
What is the very FIRST time we hear the suggestion of mental illness in regards to B?
December 14th, 2008 at 5:26 am
P.S. I don’t mean from gossip rags. I mean from an actual credible (or un-credible) source.
December 14th, 2008 at 5:42 am
I ask for a reason…
I’m looking for WHO put it out there. And who perpetuated it.
(I’m not interested whether it’s true or not, just looking for the source of the information or suggestion.)
December 14th, 2008 at 3:15 pm
Good afternoon all.
Steel. I’ve been asking that same question for a long time.
I know the words were used in February but they weren’t from anyone close to Britney.
Good work yourself in locating and reposting those vids from X. I don’t know about shaving her head to avoid drug detection —
Do we believe that all of the information came from Sam in the article about the letter, etc.?
Also, from Britney’s tapes, do we believe that there was an “intervention” and it was based on things her family etc. had read in the news? She sure is angry at her mom. Did her mom tell the press Brit was pregnant or did the press run with that story and Brit was angry that anyone would believe her mother over her?
Dang. And I thought we were getting to Darth but it seems were back to Kaplan, K-Fed, and Spears.
Do you believe that Jamie ever spoke to FoxNews? I thought he didn’t talk to people.
I have a little time today but then I am off to bake cookies. Mark loves cookies.
December 14th, 2008 at 3:31 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 3:15 pm
I know the words were used in February but they weren’t from anyone close to Britney.
>>> I think we need to review this notion. But we don’t need to limit it strictly to the word “Bi-Polar.” I think we should also look at words like “mental health,” and “alcoholism” and “sickness.” But we should be looking at the actual sources (close to Britney or not) who are coming out and saying these things. Putting names to faces?
Good work yourself in locating and reposting those vids from X. I don’t know about shaving her head to avoid drug detection —
Do we believe that all of the information came from Sam in the article about the letter, etc.?
>>> Yes, I believe Sam was the one speaking directly with X from June 2007 onwards. But going back to those orignal “It’s my time” videos taken in April – it appears it is B speaking directly to X herself following her release from rehab.
Also, from Britney’s tapes, do we believe that there was an “intervention” and it was based on things her family etc. had read in the news? She sure is angry at her mom.
>>> It appears she is saying that this is the reason she was being told she being sent to rehab.
Did her mom tell the press Brit was pregnant or did the press run with that story and Brit was angry that anyone would believe her mother over her?
>>> Sounds like her mom read “dirty gossip” in the press and believed it rather than believing her own daughter. At least this is the impression I’m left with.
Dang. And I thought we were getting to Darth but it seems were back to Kaplan, K-Fed, and Spears.
Do you believe that Jamie ever spoke to FoxNews? I thought he didn’t talk to people.
>>> Yes, I believe that Jamie spoke directly to Fox News.
I didn’t think he talked to people either. But now we have:
1/ The Fox News article, which quotes her father as saying she was being sent to rehab because she was a, “sick little girl.”
2/ We also have a second quote by Jamie to the NY Post, as a rebuttal to B’s statement to X17 upon her release from rehab:
http://www.nypost.com/seven/04202007/gossip/pagesix/pagesix.htm
December 14th, 2008 at 3:44 pm
Just keeping our dates straight, the video of her setting the record straight was shot April 13, 2007.
December 14th, 2008 at 3:46 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 3:15 pm
Good work yourself in locating and reposting those vids from X.
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On the topic of B speaking directly to X to record personal messages…
In June 2006, she sat down for an extensive interview with Matt Lauer. At the 4:00 mark, she makes some interesting statements:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GprUu55Z17Q&feature=related
Following her release from rehab, when she was beginning to become isolated from her management and family, I get the feeling she decided that instead of working against the paparazzi, she would work WITH them. Maybe she thought, “If you can’t beat ‘em, join ‘em”?
From then on in, it sounded as if her and Sam (or more particularly, Sam) used the paps as a source of communication with others and as the sole source of promotion for the Blackout album (apart from a single radio interview with Ryan Seacrest).
It’s a far cry from the promotion she’s doing for Circus, isn’t it?
December 14th, 2008 at 3:53 pm
From the NY Post article:
“Jamie Spears told us in an e-mail: “When Larry Rudolph talked Britney into going into rehab, he was doing what her mother, father and team of professionals with over 100 years of experience knew needed to be done. She was out of control. Larry was the one chosen by the team to roll up his sleeves and deliver the message, to help save her life.”
http://www.nypost.com/seven/04202007/gossip/pagesix/pagesix.htm
Between February and April 2007, B’s own father has now referred to her as:
1/ a “sick little girl”
2/ someone who was “out of control”
3/ someone who needed professional help to “save her life”
What message does that send to the public? Do you think the public believed him?
December 14th, 2008 at 4:05 pm
A side note…
Also from the same NY Post article:
“A pal of Britney said the pop tart “had no drugs in her system when she was admitted to Promises – they [tested her] and there was nothing. She was embarrassed she had to go in there when she knew she was suffering from postpartum depression, not a drug or alcohol problem.”
Note that 10 months later, Ma stated in her declaration:
“Sam told Jackie and me that he grinds up Britney’s pills, which were on the counter and included Risperdol and Seroquel.”
http://www.usmagazine.com/read_lynne_spears_entire_declaration_here
A Google search shows both of these medications have been used to treat Post Partem Psychosis.
December 14th, 2008 at 4:08 pm
AM, By April 2007, it’s possible that Sam had become the “source” in the NY Post article regarding the comments about B suffering from postpartem depression. I doubt it (as he doesn’t appear in photos with her until at least the end of June 2007)…
but it’s possible.
December 14th, 2008 at 4:09 pm
I never believed Jamie and the NY Post. I thought that was Sam’s doing. Why communicate through a tawdry publication such as the NY Post?
I would be more apt to believe Jamie said “sick little girl” if Fox had captured it on camera.
mw, between rehab and Brit setting the record straight, the financials of Brit’s divorce were finalized circa 3/30 (sorry to be saying circa right now — I’ve just been scouting around). Thirteen days later or 23 days after getting out of rehab, Britney finally lashes out.
One wonders what was going on with the battle for custody at the time and which side Lynne & company were pushing for.
oh nice job Lynne. “The Breakdown” is her title for the chapter on Britney doing to rehab.
‘When she is at her best, Britney is an amazing mother. After she had Preston, she was teh most protective, attentive parent; I rarely saw that baby off her hip. She was alwayus kissing him and singing to him and could not wipe the smile off her face. I never saw a mama so goo-go over her baby. In good times, she is so excited and proud to be the boys’ mama, and she’s full of plans for what kinds of activities they can do when they’re together. But during this time period she wasn’t at her best, to say the least.
She got out of rehab after a month, and I could see right away that it hadn’t provided the healing Britney needed in her life. All it did was slow her down a little bit, and her anger at me had not cooled. In fact, she refused to speak to me, and our estrangement would last an excruciating seven months.’
This is preceded in the book by “Jamie and I, Larry, and other members of her team–felt she needed to check in somewhere and just chill. She was hurting so badly–that was obvious–and she needed to stop running from the pain and address it.”
Lynne says nothing about drugs, drinking – just her own horror of seeing Britney shaving her head on national TV.
She also mentions that Britney did lash out at her after rehab, ‘…accusing me of siding with Kevin and “letting” him have the boys while she was at Promises. But I didn’t have nearly as much say as she must have thought I had. Kevin is their father, and he had every legal right to have them. There wasn’t much I could do. If it had been up to me, I would have taken Preston and Jayden home with me to Louisiana.’
Come to think of it, didn’t Britney start to act out after she came back from Christmas with Lynne? Or was she already going out with Paris in December? When did she stop hanging out with Paris?
December 14th, 2008 at 4:15 pm
“Steel_Magnolia Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 5:21
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AM (or anyone), a question…
What is the very FIRST time we hear the suggestion of mental illness in regards to B?”
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The first ones, and times, I think of is x17 and then Sam Lutfi.
Maybe because they was always screaming highermost ?
This video ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hlhM6kRsqo) with the one who talk in broken french/english with Britney, must be “David”. Working whole time video for x17.
x17´s “darling”.
Then of course x17 sold it out round the world.
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But as you undertand I dont talk about this video, as the “first time” mention Britney =”sick” in some way.
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I suppose it start directly when K Fed get legal “help” or was taking advise.. And that he get BEFORE Britney want the divorce. When he get the information (two kids get you for sure mor money than one, if=when divorce), then they get together again, everything was fine, she was fine, and then after child Jayden was born, he did not even pretend any more. Britney then ask for divorce.
THEN the “sick” talk started.
Who he cooperated with, I don’t know, but that the rumors come from him I´m so sure of, becasue he is a very dirty person.
He needed to clean up his act, and he get help with that. Sands… 007
Look at the video with Sand again, (when he have start working for Sam Lutfi)
M Sands talk about how he was able to work (play it ?) hard and dirty..no misstake there, he was insuring, if anyone wonder. But most of all, mr Sands said he was a very nice man, as Kevin Federline and as Sam Lutfi was too.
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Kevin Federline love his kids, but not as much as Britney does, because she belived in pure love when they was “made” to be. They are her love childs.
Kevin Federline have never loved Britney, so it was (is?) easy for him to act dirty.
And what a reward for all who was prepared to help him collect and shares the money!
Britneys money.
And now AM and Steel, I shall take time to read every word you have give to help look for the “dirty ones”
As you understand, it will take me more time, and about dates..
We dont even have the same date more then about half of the day.. Also get the date/day some kind of different :
Wrong spellings..hope readable even so
December 14th, 2008 at 4:26 pm
MARK TWAIN Says:
December 13th, 2008 at 4:21 pm
Key to play in the ‘Big Time’ is ‘Use or be used’.
Only thing that matters is the outcome.
‘Image is everything’.
AND
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 4:09 pm
Come to think of it, didn’t Britney start to act out after she came back from Christmas with Lynne? Or was she already going out with Paris in December? When did she stop hanging out with Paris?
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Rehab in February 2007. The “In” thing for all of Hollywood’s hottest “It Girls.”
http://www.hollywood.com/news/Lohan_Parties_with_Paris_While_in_Rehab/3652815
What better way to revamp your image?
December 14th, 2008 at 4:27 pm
Ama. This is for you. K-Fed had his publicist, Marilyn Lopez.
I saw her name in context to Brit getting out of rehab while K-Fed went to Vegas to celebrate his 29th birthday.
http://www.usatoday.com/life/people/2007-03-21-spears-completes-rehab_N.htm
December 14th, 2008 at 4:32 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 4:09 pm
I never believed Jamie and the NY Post. I thought that was Sam’s doing. Why communicate through a tawdry publication such as the NY Post?
I would be more apt to believe Jamie said “sick little girl” if Fox had captured it on camera.
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Back in February and April 2007, wouldn’t Jamie or his lawyers have said something if a publication was misquoting him or fabricating quotes, especially on a subject such as this?
Was Sam even in the picture at this point?
Just things to think about…
December 14th, 2008 at 4:33 pm
A quick scan of the Internet shows she was his publicist back in 2006 when he was doing the rapping.
She came out of Jive at some point and went to work for a firm called CTG.
December 14th, 2008 at 4:38 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8N2d7i_SXs
E news kevin federline speaks about her marriage with britney
Oh oh ho ho hooo oh hooo oh..
“dont even talk with me”
“get behind my back”, “filed for divorce”, “completly “blindsided”
December 14th, 2008 at 4:42 pm
Steel_Magnolia Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 4:32 pm
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Back in February and April 2007, wouldn’t Jamie or his lawyers have said something if a publication was misquoting him or fabricating quotes, especially on a subject such as this?
Was Sam even in the picture at this point?
Just things to think about…
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I dont think Jamie Spears think it is any idea to go against any rumor, gossip or lies..
The “media” just come up with new ones..
Don’t we all “know” =have seen, how this gossip media work?
December 14th, 2008 at 4:48 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 4:09 pm
Or was she already going out with Paris in December? When did she stop hanging out with Paris?
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http://www.usmagazine.com/paris_calls_brit_the_animal?page=3
December 14th, 2008 at 4:55 pm
“Steel_Magnolia Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 4:26 pm
Rehab in February 2007. The “In” thing for all of Hollywood’s hottest “It Girls.”
http://www.hollywood.com/news/Lohan_Parties_with_Paris_While_in_Rehab/3652815
What better way to revamp your image?”
Don’t we all agree that Britney was down and have some distressed problems.
Her love was not real love, it was a fake.
She was left alone with the kids, she have been braken down by the man she thougt loved her, her husband. The father to her childs. the whole world know that her love was a fake, that she have meet a womanizer.
He called her fat, ugly and more. He said that her friends dont like her.
Futher more, Kevin Federline, the havey drinker, and potsmoker could get his time to clean his image, without rehab, why could she not get the same change
Answer:
She had the money.
And he have no time to lose. He was in a hurry, the advisers know that.
December 14th, 2008 at 5:06 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1DvTuQGbDw
Ughhhhhh, he have no shame!!!!!
Britney was asking for ONR hour more toime with the kids, and Kevin refused her this hour.
she had been in some meeting (familiycourt thing, or drog test) so she had lose one hour of the time with the kids.
Kevin done this to her.
He know she could not take more humbling treatment from him.
He did not had to pressure in the way he did.
He could have went to her and stay this hour, if so outside the house, but oooI forgot, he was a Kaplan/Sands puppet, and he liked to be a Kaplan/Sands puppet, because that would give him, and his other kids a very nice future.
December 14th, 2008 at 5:06 pm
Amapola Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 4:55 pm
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Ama, what I was trying to say is that Brit’s management may have thought that rehab was a good way to repair her image, since both Paris and Lindsay were recently in rehab.
So, they sent her to rehab against her will. She apparently was very angry at them for this.
December 14th, 2008 at 5:27 pm
Ama. Steel. That’s what bugged me too. If down or healing time was what she needed why send her to a 12-step? Britney gets no say because if she says, “That was the media” or “I am not a drug addict” the TEAM says, “She’s in denial. All addicts say that.”
So they try to break her spirit some more — even if that wasn’t the intention — by disbelieving in her and sending her to rehabilitation, or else.
Up comes the hearing and then it disappears. Parachini doesn’t say, “It was cancelled.” He says Kaplan’s side called the bailiff.
I wouldn’t have talked to my mother or family either if they did that to me. The girl barely got out there and partied by an ordinary person’s standards for a 25 year old — sans the panty incidents etc.
Anyway, I think we understand her frame of mind better. There are certain songs on Circus that also seem to be about K-Fed. That lyrics on Mannequin, “You’re always talking around it” and “You told me more than he did.”
And what does a woman or a person mean when they say, “I never thought he would leave me?” All that’s missing is, “…for another woman.”
December 14th, 2008 at 5:31 pm
What do you think of this old article now?
http://www.ok-magazine.com/news/view/1763
Brit’s friend versus Alli. Bad cop good cop again?
A teleconference with OK?
Sam paving the way? With Alli present saying, “She’s okay, she’s not crazy” and Sam tarnishing Britney and her family …. can anyone really step in?
December 14th, 2008 at 5:41 pm
>>>since both Paris and Lindsay were recently in rehab.
Paris Hilton has never been in rehab, has she?
December 14th, 2008 at 5:53 pm
Cross-prove this?
The apartment where Alli moved her things is the same condo building where Lynne had an apartment?
http://www.ok-magazine.com/news/view/1763
Is that true or was thsi some kind of Sam or media game?
I’m not worried about Darth btw — new players on the table per Mark. There could still be rematches however.
December 14th, 2008 at 5:58 pm
Nevermind. That must be a silliness re the condo.
December 14th, 2008 at 5:59 pm
MH Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 5:41 pm
Paris Hilton has never been in rehab, has she?
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I stand corrected. No, she hasn’t!
It’s funny, though. When you Google “Paris Hilton” and “rehab,” a ton of articles come up. Stuff like this:
http://www.celebden.com/17/paris-hilton%E2%80%99s-rehab-gets-cut-in-half/
I got fooled. It wasn’t rehab – it was jail! LOL
December 14th, 2008 at 6:02 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 5:53 pm
Cross-prove this?
The apartment where Alli moved her things is the same condo building where Lynne had an apartment?
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I seem to remember hearing this before.
Well, if Jamie Lynn stayed with Alli in October 2007, rather than Lynn, I do suspect that Alli was a lot closer to the family than we’re led to believe.
December 14th, 2008 at 6:06 pm
Who is to say that Jamie Lynn didn’t stay with her mother at the Marina Del Rey condo?
Who knows. Let’s throw it up on a board and leave it for now?
December 14th, 2008 at 6:12 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 6:06 pm
Who is to say that Jamie Lynn didn’t stay with her mother at the Marina Del Rey condo?
Who knows. Let’s throw it up on a board and leave it for now?
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Sure.
But I’m not even going to pretend for a second that I know the addresses of where these people live. LOL
December 14th, 2008 at 6:37 pm
lol thanks. You can pursue it but it seemed in a quick search it was a blind alley, a waste of time for me personally.
But we can play devil’s advocate. OK, Alli was a family friend or whatever whom they knew from the grandparents marriage etc.
She must have done pretty bad then to be just an “assistant.”
December 14th, 2008 at 6:40 pm
Something more clear now on third reading. It was just before Britney went into Promises, after she shaved her head… per Lynne when she gets the anonymous call from Sam about the drugs and Kevin’s and Brit’s plans to make Britney look like a bad mother.
Lynne gives both Kevin and the assistants (plural)the benefit of the doubt but Britney was so fragile that Lynne wasn’t going to take any chances. “She had just lost custody of the boys to Kevin, and she was at a very low ebb.”
She had just lost custody? Anyone have a date on official “loss of custody?”
December 14th, 2008 at 6:48 pm
Was it behind closed doors?
Did they just think that Britney would go along with it? I wonder what she had to sign — it must have included the childrens’ visitation to Promises?
When Britney shaved her head was it her turn for visitation, or keeping the kids over?
December 14th, 2008 at 7:11 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 6:40 pm
Something more clear now on third reading. It was just before Britney went into Promises, after she shaved her head…
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BEFORE Promises, but AFTER she shaved her head.
That could be EITHER trip to Promises.It must be some time between these dates, though:
Feb. 16 (evening, after trip to hair salon)
to
Feb. 22 (morning, before re-entering Promises)
December 14th, 2008 at 7:13 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 6:40 pm
she gets the anonymous call from Sam about the drugs and Kevin’s and Brit’s plans to make Britney look like a bad mother.
Lynne gives both Kevin and the assistants (plural)the benefit of the doubt
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Kevin, plus:
Alli Simms & Kalie Machado?
December 14th, 2008 at 7:16 pm
Steel. Let’s tie in your dates with FoxNews and the AP. brb.
December 14th, 2008 at 7:19 pm
p.s. for fun Steel you really should pull those stories I brought up from the AP database. They are scripted.
Like the one on Parachini — that was for AP Television (huh? AP has television or they create scripts to be televised?). The opening soundbyte?
Michael Levine, “”Well, I think the first thing she has to do is tend to her own personal demons. Before we even begin to address the train wreck of her career, we need to first make sure that she’s going to live to exist.”
December 14th, 2008 at 7:20 pm
“Kalie Machado claims that while she was Britney’s assistant, she received a call from a man “at a restricted number” who said he was a private investigator working for Brit’s ex husband Kevin Federline. That man was Sam. “He said he had incriminating evidence on Britney and he was going to hand it over to me,” she recalls. “We arranged to meet in a Santa Monica Starbucks.”
http://www.celebitchy.com/9838/sam_lutfi_stalked_britney_before_befriending_her_claims_her_ex_assistant/
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Sam called Kalie, and says he works for Kevin Federline and has incriminated evidence against Britney he wants to give her.
AND
Sam called Lynn, and says that Kalie has incriminating evidence that her and Kevin are trying to plant.
Hmmm…
Same players in both stories. Except Lynn isn’t a “character” in Kalie’s story, while Kalie is a character in Lynn’s.
Confusing.
December 14th, 2008 at 7:27 pm
The timeline:
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Feb. 14, 2007 – Britney checks into Crossroads Centre, a rehab facility on the Caribbean island of Antigua, only to check out a day later. (MTV)
Feb. 16, 2007 – Shaves her head in Sherman Oaks. (MTV)
Feb. 20, 2007 – Checks into Promises Malibu Alcohol and Drug Rehab Treatment Facility in Malibu, California, only to check out less than 24 hours later. (MTV)
Feb, 21, 2007 – Sources tell TMZ.com Britney went this morning to meet with Blair Berk, a prominent criminal defense lawyer. Berk once repped Reese Witherspoon in her battle with hard-driving paparazzi. (PopDirt)
Feb. 21, 2007 – Attacks X17 pap team w/ umbrella
Feb. 22, 2007 – Checks back into Promises. (MTV)
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So…
We need to enter the dates of the phantom “emergency hearing” (Feb. 22), the date the phantom “emergency hearing” was first scheduled (prior to Feb. 22),
AND
The date Sammy contacted Machado, then met her at a Starbucks.
AND
The date Sammy called Lynn about drugs being planted at B’s home.
AND
The date B “lost custody” to Federline??
December 14th, 2008 at 7:29 pm
TMZ has a video of Britney leaving Promises 2-21?
Sorry the rest is repeat.
2-16 Friday shaves head AFTER Kevin won’t let her see the kids
2-20 Enters Promises
2-21 Leaves Promises for the 2nd time
2-21 Parachini states to the AP there is an emergency hearing scheduled to Thursday, 2-22
2-22 Spears enters Promises and stays 30 days
Relevant but nothing to do with a calendar:
http://www.tmz.com/2007/06/29/britney-claims-her-rehab-was-bogus/
December 14th, 2008 at 7:39 pm
Correction:
2-20 Enters Promises
2-21 Leaves Promises for the 2nd time
Didn’t she check into Promises on the 21st and leave a few hours later?
I am getting conflicting reports so if you have it as fact, that’d be great. Nice move on Kalie and Lynne. I’ll brb.
December 14th, 2008 at 7:43 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 7:29 pm
http://www.tmz.com/2007/06/29/britney-claims-her-rehab-was-bogus/
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This TMZ article is a good one, AM. Hold on to that one.
December 14th, 2008 at 7:47 pm
“After leaving Promises…Britney and her assistant, Allie Sims, called Promises multiple times, asking for a copy of the report showing that she tested dirty for drugs and/or alcohol when she checked in.
We’re told it took several days to get an answer. Only two reports were sent to Britney’s rep, both showing no drug or alcohol use whatsoever. Most shocking, the first report was dated March 7, 15 days after Britney checked in.
Sources say one of Britney’s reps then called the facility and asked for any evidence of a dirty test, but she was told there was nothing in the file. The question — if the first test was taken more than two weeks after Britney checked in, how could they treat her if they didn’t know the problem?
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The facility does not look good in this.
*ahem*
Note the continued relationship between the owner’s charities and “TSF.”
December 14th, 2008 at 7:58 pm
About Kalie and Lynne. Does it affect Divide and Conquer?
He calls Kalie and lets her know there is a plot.
He calls Lynne and tells her there is a plot involving Kalie and Alli. They are all in on the plan.
What’s the purpose in involving Lynne? To make Lynne do what?
Is it clear that Lynne believes there may be drugs in the house but no one but Britney put it there? Because K-Fed, and Brit’s assistants, couldn’t have done it right? And Lynne, who doesn’t put herself on the line until Jamie Lynn is about to go to Tennessee….
Side question. Does Lynne grow closer to Jamie throughout this? Why’s she still wearing or again wearing a wedding ring? (when she is spotted going to Kevin’s house to take care of the kids as you posted earlier today)
I have asked this question before. Where was Britney that night? Lynne feels sure to freely search the house with Alli. Was Antigua before or after Friday the 16th? Does Lynne know with confidence that Britney is not home? Does Sam?
I am only going to say it to Small: gaw-dang it sometimes I get so p.o.’d with Lynne!
December 14th, 2008 at 7:58 pm
Nice way to drive a wedge between mother and daughter.
December 14th, 2008 at 7:59 pm
?
December 14th, 2008 at 8:01 pm
Let’s not forget also how the phantom hearing that was or wasn’t made the news. Or did FoxNews try to distort it? It must feel good in a way to way we outdid you AP — you reported incorrectly there was a hearing.
Something stinks here but Kaplan is a gymnast. Don’t forget the pink tights.
December 14th, 2008 at 8:05 pm
Feb. 14, 2007 – Britney checks into Crossroads Centre, a rehab facility on the Caribbean island of Antigua, only to check out a day later. (MTV)
Feb. 16, 2007 – Shaves her head in Sherman Oaks (AFTER Kevin won’t let her see the kids). (MTV)
Feb. 20, 2007 – Checks into Promises Malibu Alcohol and Drug Rehab Treatment Facility in Malibu, California. (MTV)
Feb. 21, 2007 – Checks out of Promises.
Feb. 21, 2007 – Parachini states to the AP there is an emergency hearing scheduled to Thursday, 2-22. (AP)
Feb, 21, 2007 – Sources tell TMZ.com Britney went this morning to meet with Blair Berk, a prominent criminal defense lawyer.(PopDirt)
Feb. 21, 2007 – Attacks X17 pap team w/ umbrella
Feb. 22, 2007 – Checks back into Promises (staying for 30 days). (MTV)
December 14th, 2008 at 8:08 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 8:01 pm
Let’s not forget also how the phantom hearing that was or wasn’t made the news. Or did FoxNews try to distort it? It must feel good in a way to way we outdid you AP — you reported incorrectly there was a hearing.
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What if neither Fox nor AP tried to distort it.
What if there WAS a hearing, and it was cancelled after Brit checked herself out of rehab and tried to show up to it?
The legal side of things here is VERY important.
If we’re talking “Ex Parte,” we’re talking one side only. We’re talking, “Behind her back.”
December 14th, 2008 at 8:12 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 7:58 pm
What’s the purpose in involving Lynne? To make Lynne do what?
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Listen to what BRIT is saying. Over and over again:
“Sources tell TMZ that Lynne Spears, Kevin Federline and then-manager Larry Rudolph all pressured Britney to check herself in. We’re told Spears acknowledged having emotional problems after her second child was born, but strongly maintained she did not have a drug or alcohol problem.”
PLUS
Photos of Ma showing up at K-Fed’s the day of the phantom hearing.
PLUS
Brit’s video rant to X17 in April 2007.
PLUS
Brit’s faux restraining order against her mother in June 2007.
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What’s the common denominator here?
December 14th, 2008 at 8:14 pm
AM, Did the jewelry and shoe endorsements come before or after the phone call about the “search”?
We should put that into the timeline.
December 14th, 2008 at 8:16 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 7:58 pm
I have asked this question before. Where was Britney that night? Lynne feels sure to freely search the house with Alli.
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Already in rehab?
December 14th, 2008 at 8:19 pm
Something to consider when considering Lynne.
The older generations era and women’s attachment to men. “So nice to have a man around,” bla bla.
I personally have had to destroy the image and thought my own mother has had toward some men. When my sister (the one who is deceased) when through her divorce, my mom said, “She’ll lose that house,” and maybe crap about, “She’ll never have that again,” (ouch) and “She’s being ridiculous.”
Did my sister tell my mother that her husband was having an affair with the Maid of Honor?
Sometimes a person is tied and twisted. It’s difficult to say, I married a twit, or I was stupid and young and so the lie is there.
I destroyed Bob, the ex, for both my mother and my sister, by telling the truth but it was hard for me to do.
“He tried to kiss me, Mom,” and I was a little girl and we were around a campfire but my sis had stepped off to pee in the woods. She saw it in coming back and it was passed off as a joke while she let me know later that she did have a talk with him.
I’d like to think that Britney told her mom all, but maybe she didn’t. There is this stupid part of us women to build ourselves up sometimes… or not worrying anyone, or protecting everyone (see Britney Spears) while we go through misery ourselves.
If K-Fed stepped out on Britney, it’s possible Britney did not destroy him to her mother… not so much anyway with specifics. You invite specifics you invite judgment and rationale on another’s side. “Of course Kevin is not staying home, he has a new album to work on.”
Mom: you are not hearing me.
And so you turn away and carry the burden.
I am just adding two cents for Lynne’s side so I won’t be so p.o.’d at her with siding on K-Fed’s side.
Assistants. Divide and conquer? Lynne has a relationship with them? FTR, by Lynne Spears. Saying something saying nothing. Lynne Spears is not in FTR.
December 14th, 2008 at 8:19 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 8:01 pm
Let’s not forget also how the phantom hearing that was or wasn’t made the news.
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What was the PURPOSE of this hearing? What’s NEW to this situation? What’s so EMERGENCY about it?
December 14th, 2008 at 8:21 pm
p.s. Bob and I did not have an affair. I was a child. But it was on a visit to my sister’s house to stay with her, that she told me all that went down.
She had her nephew in the car (a further complication to telling the truth and the speed with which she drove) and saw her husband driving by. She followed him to the maid of honor’s house, etc.
December 14th, 2008 at 8:25 pm
Endorsements and shoes came later.
Why involve Lynne again?
Cocky or…? Taking a pulse?
How does Lynne know how Sam came into Britney’s life?
I find her simple sentences in that regard, ridiculous. “Little did I know….” She pinned it on Alli meeting Sam in a club. Was it the truth? Her explanation is that he was looking for a backdoor. Should we believe her?
No. This woman does not know “how” she was used but she’s trying to explain it to others. Who gave her the story of how Sam came into Britney’s life and why did she use the month of October as to the time when he was “inserted” into her life?
December 14th, 2008 at 8:25 pm
“Kalie was nervous, so she brought her roommate with her. She says she spent 20 minutes listening to Sam talk and when she demanded to see the evidence, he instead “asked all kinds of stalkerish questions – like when we leave the house and where Britney and I went.”
http://www.celebitchy.com/9838/sam_lutfi_stalked_britney_before_befriending_her_claims_her_ex_assistant/
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Why would Sammy need to know what time they leave the house, or where they go? Oh, right, he’s a private investigator WORKING for K-Fed.
Was he perhaps inquiring so he could figure out the best time to plant the evidence??
December 14th, 2008 at 8:28 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 8:25 pm
Who gave her the story of how Sam came into Britney’s life and why did she use the month of October as to the time when he was “inserted” into her life?
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Brit’s new manager, Jeff Kwanitez (sp?), left her following the VMA debacle in September 2007. She was left without a manager.
It appears Sammy then took over Jeff’s spot at this time, and inserted himself into her business affairs once the spot was vacant.
Is this what Ma may have meant?
December 14th, 2008 at 8:30 pm
I will send in some “old news”.
And I will do it in short comments so it not end in a wery long mesage.
I reversed and start looking for other comments and “news”
I start with this :
) that Britney have said that she new it was something who change in 2003 who have impact on her life from then.
I have read somewhere (anyone free to help to find the place
I start asking: – What..
Not the Timberlake “thing” no, I dont belive it was that.
What have change then?
Jamie Spears have been sober for 5 years..?
2003 -> = 5 years?
December 14th, 2008 at 8:33 pm
Then I find this article, I´m not shore where, but I will find it, or any of you find the place:
From 2003, so MT, this rules is not new
“Britney – hard to interview
IT’S ironic that Britney Spears once sang about feeling over-protected.
Interviewing her is like a military operation. She is promoting an album she is hailing as her most personal statement, but talks about it only with journalists who sign a contract detailing what she can and can’t be asked, with record-company staffers shadowing her just in case.
The fact that the same staffers have just handed out a press kit containing a photocopy of the W magazine article in which Spears talks of losing her virginity to Justin Timberlake and her liaison with Fred Durst, then make journalists sign an agreement that those topics cannot be broached with Spears, speaks volumes.
Spears is a woman of contradictions: she continually talks about “inspiring” her fans, yet rudely shuns them at her British movie launch.
She’s the woman happy to pose topless for Rolling Stone
(only her arms stop it becoming a Playboy shoot) and to pull down her panties to show the work of her personal waxer, but is foolish enough to complain she wore several outfits but the “half nude” shots were the ones the magazine used.
Strange. What’s going on with her?!?!
November 15, 2003″
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December 14th, 2008 at 8:40 pm
Then I remeber that I read that the 3th time Britney was going to this rehab, it was her father Jamie Spears who follow her to the place.
This part I´m not sure of:
I dont knwo if there was a picture too, THAT I dont remeber for sure.
All the other things I have read.
Brain put together pieces and then spit it out when to many pices are connected.
If this proof anything, I dont know.
What do you get from it?
December 14th, 2008 at 8:41 pm
One has to wonder, just a little, how those conversations between Sam and Lynne went. Not talk about Britney Spears? r u kidding?
December 14th, 2008 at 8:42 pm
# Steel_Magnolia Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 8:19 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 8:01 pm
Let’s not forget also how the phantom hearing that was or wasn’t made the news.
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What was the PURPOSE of this hearing? What’s NEW to this situation? What’s so EMERGENCY about it?
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Britney had already lost custody…. she comes out she’s got full or half with or without the court. She goes down and she loses rights.
She was screwed if she did rehab and screwed if she didn’t.
December 14th, 2008 at 8:52 pm
# Steel_Magnolia Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 8:16 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 7:58 pm
I have asked this question before. Where was Britney that night? Lynne feels sure to freely search the house with Alli.
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Already in rehab?
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oc. Locate the date then we have a date.
Antigua? Why so far away? How did Antigua get leaked anyway, if privacy was a reason…. Britney was there for a few hours right but we are told she checked in. Same with Promises.
I don’t know. Promises was clearly Lynne and company’s choice. Was Britney even included?
“We had heard good things about Promises, a rehab center in Malibu, where she could have intensive counseling and receive some blessed solace from the media hounding her night and day. I wanted her to go to Prmises, but Britney’s didn’t want to, and she was livid at me for trying to “force” her to. She ended up staying a month.
When she was gone, I tried to help out with the boys as much as I could, as I stayed in LA for much of that month. I reminded them often that their mama loved them and would come back to them as soon as she was able.
Kevin, meanwhile, was making all the right choices. He was a calm caring daddy, firm with their behavior. Later, Britney would last out…”
Caption on this page in big print, “Kevin, meanwhile, was making all the right choices during this time. He was a clam caring daddy, firm with their behavior.” This is in caps as are all the captions in the book.
December 14th, 2008 at 8:53 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 8:42 pm
She was screwed if she did rehab and screwed if she didn’t.
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AM, What does Ma say about the results of the search?
December 14th, 2008 at 8:53 pm
This looong article I for sure have not seen before..but its from feb this year.
This Sam..he is not for real!!!!
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1581619/20080214/spears_britney.jhtml
December 14th, 2008 at 8:56 pm
Amapola Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 8:40 pm
Brain put together pieces and then spit it out when to many pices are connected.
If this proof anything, I dont know.
What do you get from it?
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Ama, I think we are slowly creeping towards understanding each other! LOL
December 14th, 2008 at 8:58 pm
Ama. I thought the third time she went to rehab it was with her mother? I’ll look around.
December 14th, 2008 at 9:00 pm
AM
I´m sure I have read, yesterday or not long ago, an old article (a gossip paper US something?) that Jamie Spears was the one to follow Britney to this rehab the 3rd time.
I react on that, so I´m sure.
December 14th, 2008 at 9:04 pm
Or E something.. Now I dont know….
Anyway, I´m sure it was an article form a paper, not a blogg or something like that.
December 14th, 2008 at 9:07 pm
ok cross proof please. After Britney emerged from Promises the kids continued to live with Federline?
x-proof please — I am reading E!
Where were the kids in 2007? So she did lose custody in February?
December 14th, 2008 at 9:16 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 8:52 pm
oc. Locate the date then we have a date.
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Is it possible that Sammy succeeded in planting something on behalf of K-Fed (or his lawyer), and that the search was done on the night of February 20th?
If something was “found,” is it possible that this provoked an emergency (or “ex parte”) hearing to be called on Feb. 21st, with the hearing set for the following day, that would discuss the results of the search and give the judge reason to give K-Fed full legal custody of the boys?
December 14th, 2008 at 9:19 pm
Further to that, it would explain B’s trip to see a criminal defense lawyer on Feb. 21st.
It would also explain how they got her back IN, for the third time, on February 22nd. “Stay out and we proceed with the hearing. Check back in and the search results will not be made public.”
And so the hearing is cancelled, and everyone denies that it ever existed.
…This is all just hypothetical, of course. Ramblings.
December 14th, 2008 at 9:23 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 9:07 pm
Where were the kids in 2007? So she did lose custody in February?
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This is VERY important. The legal manoeuvres going on behind closed doors are what is provoking the PR gurus to shape the story in the media.
I was always under the impression that she did NOT loose custody until October 2007.
Am I wrong in thinking this??
December 14th, 2008 at 9:26 pm
Steel_Magnolia Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 9:23 pm
Where were the kids in 2007? So she did lose custody in February?
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This kind of relates to my questioning a while back about what happens when someone checks into rehab. I asked if B would’ve signed over her finances to someone else.
Did she also sign over custody to K-Fed for the duration of her rehab stay?
December 14th, 2008 at 9:32 pm
From People:
“Britney Spears and Kevin Federline reached a divorce settlement Thursday, PEOPLE has learned.”
“The parties signed a global settlement on all issues of their marriage and the custody of the children,” Michael Sands, a spokesman for Federline’s attorney Mark Vincent Kaplan, tells PEOPLE.”
“The deal comes just days after Spears left rehab on March 20.”
…
“After a wild weekend in which she shaved her head, Spears entered rehab at Promises in Malibu, where she stayed for about four weeks. Federline, who watched the boys during her treatment, declined to return custody to Spears until he was satisfied with her post-rehab follow-through, according to a source.”
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20016486,00.html
December 14th, 2008 at 9:34 pm
Wasser to Britney — You’re Someone Else’s Problem Now
Posted Sep 17th 2007 11:20AM by TMZ Staff
http://www.tmz.com/2007/09/17/wasser-to-britney-youre-someone-elses-problem-now/
December 14th, 2008 at 9:38 pm
Find this pic.
Sam the paparazzi taking pics of Britney and Felipe (x17 guy)
http://www.mtv.com/shared/promoimages/news/s/spears_britney/spears_lutfi_080131/281×211.jpg
December 14th, 2008 at 9:41 pm
Amapola Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 9:38 pm
Find this pic.
Sam the paparazzi taking pics of Britney and Felipe (x17 guy)
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Is it possible that Sammy was hired by K-Fed (or his lawyer) to act as a private investigator…And that Lutfi continued to play this role right up until the 5150’s?
December 14th, 2008 at 9:53 pm
Think this was heartbreaking:
“”Britney’s feelings toward her parents are off and on,” says a family friend. “One minute she is begging for their presence, the next she wants nothing to do with them. But they are actively trying to get her help.”
…
…..
If there is any silver lining in Spears’ latest hospitalization, it is that, unlike her trip to Cedars-Sinai on Jan. 3, she did not resist when Nadel issued the 72-hour hold.
…
……
Even in the fogged mental state her mother described when she was at home shortly before being taken to the hospital,
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Spears voiced the same sentiment over and over: “When do I get to see my babies?”
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I know one thing, if I have gone through what Britney had the last years, with the love and the joy of getting those babies, and then lose all fait in her husband, and on top of that, get Sam Lutfi into my head..then I have gone sick too.
Womanizer and other kinds of not so well-meaning people we all can handle in some way, but people like Sam Lutfi are not good in any way for ones brain and common health.
DANGER!
I dont think peopel understand how much he could have harmed Britney with those cocktails..
Harmed her for life!
I have read, in my own language, what could be remained secondary effect of those pills! If given wrong and in not right dosages.
I dont have the list now, but ones I had!
It was terrible. Neurologic side-effects. Terrible. Visible effects. Irreparable
And I don’t talk about weight gains..
December 14th, 2008 at 10:06 pm
Is it the answer to this you have look for the whole time Steel_ ?
“Only weeks after the VMA disaster, a judge ordered Spears to surrender custody of her two children to her ex-husband, ruling that Federline would take custody of Sean Preston and Jayden James only two days after said ruling “until further order of the court.”
The order stemmed from an unspecified oral motion made by Federline’s attorneys and was handled in a closed-door hearing. The judge’s order did not state the reason for the change in custody and all transcripts of the proceedings were ordered sealed.”
December 14th, 2008 at 10:13 pm
Amapola Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 10:06 pm
“Only weeks after the VMA disaster, a judge ordered Spears to surrender custody of her two children to her ex-husband, ruling that Federline would take custody of Sean Preston and Jayden James only two days after said ruling “until further order of the court.”
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That’s when I thought B officially lost custody. But AM found an article dating from the rehab era that said she lost custody then.
It sounds to me like she temporarily lost custody while she was in rehab, but then:
“The parties signed a global settlement on all issues of their marriage and the custody of the children,” Michael Sands, a spokesman for Federline’s attorney Mark Vincent Kaplan, tells PEOPLE.”
“The deal comes just days after Spears left rehab on March 20.”
December 14th, 2008 at 10:26 pm
“Steel_Magnolia Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 9:41 pm
….
Is it possible that Sammy was hired by K-Fed (or his lawyer) to act as a private investigator…And that Lutfi continued to play this role right up until the 5150’s?”
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I dont think its possibly to make any sure deal with Sam Lutfi.
I can’t see him as a trusted “lomgtime” employer. For a day and if he have his way, and if you tell him that he is brillant, maybe.
December 14th, 2008 at 10:32 pm
Amapola Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 10:26 pm
I dont think its possibly to make any sure deal with Sam Lutfi.
I can’t see him as a trusted “lomgtime” employer. For a day and if he have his way, and if you tell him that he is brillant, maybe.
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And I’d bet you $5 that Kaplan learned that the hard way! LOL
December 14th, 2008 at 10:36 pm
his I DON’T believe, because she must be healthy if she shall be with her kids, and she loves them most of all in the world.
http://www.popcrunch.com/britney-spears-hunger-strike-in-protest-of-conservatorship/
December 14th, 2008 at 10:36 pm
correction:
This I DON`T belive
December 14th, 2008 at 10:38 pm
“Steel_Magnolia Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 10:32 pm Amapola Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 10:26 pm
I dont think its possibly to make any sure deal with Sam Lutfi.
I can’t see him as a trusted “lomgtime” employer. For a day and if he have his way, and if you tell him that he is brillant, maybe.
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And I’d bet you $5 that Kaplan learned that the hard way! LOL”
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December 15th, 2008 at 4:10 am
Wow, You guys have posted so much!!
There were a few things I wanted to say.
AM, dang it Lynne’s pisses me off too. Which is why I try to not talk about her. It’s so hard becauce everything seems to lead back to her.
A few things I wanted to say, I do believe it was Jamie that wrote the NY Post, or whatever it was about Britney and rehab. I remember when Britney checked into rehab, there was interview advertised on MSNBC w/ Jamie that was going to talk about Britney. I saw it, as did a few other posters at another forum, but it mysteriously never aired and there was no mention of it ever again. It was strange. The show was Scarborough Country. I wonder if the interview was done but never aired?
I’ll post more tomorrow
December 15th, 2008 at 1:29 pm
Small, I will try to follow up on the phantom interview with Pa Spears.
Steel, about Ma. I didn’t have the full picture when I talked to her — so we talked briefly about Parachini — she was in the middle of making dinner so I’m not really sure what sunk in.
She remarked in the past that Britney would never okay without her children. “Well of course. Afterall her children are at somebody else’s house and someone else is kissing them goodnight.”
To review other things Ma has said — when she heard about Lutfi she said he must followed and studied her for a very long time. Did I tell you that my mother is the mother of seven but that she spent the later part of her career as ward supervisor and RN at State Hospital in Washington state — the ward was for the criminally insane.
When I was little she was an RN in the same nursery where all seven of us were born. She’s been an asset in talking near the full range of issues we have brought up here.
Steel. That was no article I found but straight from the horse’s mouth.
Lynne Spears wrote, “She had just lost custody of the boys to Kevin, and she was at a low ebb.” p165 Chapter 27, “Jerked Around” Through the Storm
When Lynne talks to Sam months later she recognizes him as the anonymous caller. Lynne told him that he was wrong his conspiracy theory and drugs being planted in Britney’s house.
“”…he proteste: “There were drugs; you just didn’t find them,” he said, earnestly.”"
December 15th, 2008 at 1:48 pm
Steel. Does your cross-proof valid enough to believe that Kevin had still had custody once Britney was released?
Ama. I too would go MAD.
Anyone. Supposedly Jamie was made the conservator (I’ll find Lynne’s words later) as he was the stronger one, disciplinarian etc. What if though they talked it out? Well she hates you less than me so… Otherwise Jamie was already in L.A. I don’t know.
December 15th, 2008 at 2:17 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 15th, 2008 at 1:48 pm
Steel. Does your cross-proof valid enough to believe that Kevin had still had custody once Britney was released?
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It sounds to me that Brit MAY have lost custody (temporarily?) while she was to spend time in Crossroads (or the first trip to Promises). Theoretically, she was probably supposed to stay in Antigua for 30 days, but checked herself out after only one day
This legal stuff is boring, but very important. It’s something we should nail down. (If only to give us an understanding about how the system works.)
…But it DOES look like K-Fed still had custody once she was released from Promises in March.
December 15th, 2008 at 2:24 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 15th, 2008 at 1:29 pm
…she recognizes him as the anonymous caller…told him that he was wrong his conspiracy theory and drugs being planted…
“”…he proteste: “There were drugs; you just didn’t find them,” he said, earnestly.””
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I really do need to get a copy of this book. The wording is very important.
It sounds to me…and this is just a theory…That Samuel called up Kalie to inquire when the best time would be to plant the drugs. He may then have succeeded in planted the drugs. (Note that he would have needed a way to get into her house to plant them. A friend who would let him in? Alli?)
So…If it’s true that they were planted, but not found…Would they not still be there upon Brit’s release from rehab??
Regardless of what happened, it’s all starting to become clearer in my mind about the order that events took place, and the roles different people played.
December 15th, 2008 at 3:05 pm
Ma took two routes.
Health care professional, “Well sometimes people need help and they don’t know it.”
As to behavior between November and January?
Understandable including the umbrella and rage. Even the panties didn’t seem like such a big deal (huh?). “Oh she probably just forgot.”
‘But Mom it happened a couple of times.’
“Oh who cares, have you seen the underwear these days? They are practically nothing.”
lol
p.s. Until the past 48 hrs. I thought that Britney had a whim to see her kids “right now.” I didn’t know Kevin already had them.
And police standing guard on K-Fed’s property? Good gravy. How insulting. How hurting to to Britney. I mean really what did they think she was capable of?
December 15th, 2008 at 3:10 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 15th, 2008 at 3:05 pm
p.s. Until the past 48 hrs. I thought that Britney had a whim to see her kids “right now.” I didn’t know Kevin already had them.
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It would be interesting to know when K-Fed “took” them from her (e.g. before Crossroads?) and when she finally got them to herself again (March??)
It’s also interesting that while she was not allowed in to see them, her parents were. Burn!
December 15th, 2008 at 3:24 pm
Steel you are very good along with MT on seeing things or creating theories — most of which are plausible and sometimes way out there but who knows.
When did we first get news of Antigua? Before, during, or after she went? Very plausible theory that that’s when she lost custody.
God bless the Aussies. Here is another excerpt from the book and I didn’t have to type it. It’s word for word with some sentences omitted. lol the editor’s removed Lynne out of it, like this, “I felt so helpless, yearning…”
I think the Australian to edited did a great job:
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,24413960-5006016,00.html
What does she mean “within a month or so of meeting him…”
Ah but they shouldn’t have left this part out, after Sam had appointed himself Brit’s gatekeeper.
“While he shut Jamie out completely, he would crack open the door a bit for me, texting me with updates on my daughter, lording over me the fact that he had complete access while I had no right of entry to my own child. But he also seemed to sense the exact moment when I was most susceptible, and he would drop his voice to a soothing,kind of modulation–as if we were confidants. ‘I know you want to see Britney, and trust me, I am working on her. She’ll let you back into her life soon.” That man jerked me around like a puppeteer.”
I know I typed and posted this before. Pity I didn’t throw the whole chapter into Word.
December 15th, 2008 at 3:32 pm
ok — Lynne wouldn’t have known what was going on in her daughter’s life outside the tabloids until Sam started texting Lynne in October. Correct?
But he was in her life presumably by February …
Remember he texted that guy connected to Haines and said he’d been there nine months? Or had been putting up with Britney nine months?
Now the kids are out of the house, time to move to the next step of the plan, which may or may not have anything to do with WEG moving in when Britney lost custody of her children.
Did crazy behavior in Britney begin or escalate in October or November as well?
Please remind me of the date Jamie Lynne and Lynne came to visit?
December 15th, 2008 at 3:36 pm
p.s. Didn’t we document for sure that Sam was in her life and visible in May 2007? Remember Alli, Elliot Mintz, and Sam at Paris’s beach party. Paris worked extremely hard to attract the camera’s to her doorstep by waving and doing a sexy dance to at least one pap who was already there.
ok. Nine months. End of March? And didn’t Lynne also say, outside of her Declaration, that he had been in her life for a year? I am confusing myself and don’t want anyone to latch onto a mis-truth just because it’s sometimes not all clear in my head.
December 15th, 2008 at 3:41 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 15th, 2008 at 3:36 pm
ok. Nine months. End of March? And didn’t Lynne also say, outside of her Declaration, that he had been in her life for a year? I am confusing myself and don’t want anyone to latch onto a mis-truth just because it’s sometimes not all clear in my head.
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I’m getting the impression that he had been “in the family” (via Lynn!) for a year (Feb 2007 to Feb 2008), and had been with B for nine months (release from rehab to time of text to Danny H.)
December 15th, 2008 at 3:46 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 15th, 2008 at 3:36 pm
Didn’t we document for sure that Sam was in her life and visible in May 2007? Remember Alli, Elliot Mintz, and Sam at Paris’s beach party. Paris worked extremely hard to attract the camera’s to her doorstep by waving and doing a sexy dance to at least one pap who was already there.
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I missed those photos…The first time I’d ever seen him was here:
http://x17online.com/celebrities/britney_spears/britneys_new_man-06302007.php
Either way…Wasn’t it LYNN who brought him “into the family,” not B?
When did the shoe endorsements and jewelry deal come along? The “Dancing With The Stars?” While B was in rehab? After her release?
December 15th, 2008 at 3:47 pm
This is off topic or on. Ama found this one long ago but now it is more suspect in thinking of that day on the beach with Alli, Sam, Paris, and Elliot Mintz. (Ama you are or were the Mintz expert)
http://www.timessquaregossip.com/2008/04/mintz-and-kaplan-with-britney-spears.html
Ama posted May 18, 2008
December 15th, 2008 at 3:50 pm
Nevermind. I forgot for a sec that Mintz works for Kaplan. And so it goes round and round but STILL…Alli, Sam, Paris so obliging, Mintz… can’t find the darn video now.
December 15th, 2008 at 4:01 pm
In terms of timelines:
The “Dancing with the Stars” finale was on May 23, 2007:
http://www.tvsquad.com/2007/05/23/dancing-with-the-stars-season-finale/
The article says it ran for 10 weeks. That takes us back to March 14, 2007.
So…
Some time between March 14, 2007 and May 23, 2007, Lynn and Sammy were in contact.
(Note that B was released from rehab on March 20th, and her “rant” to X was on April 16, 2007.)
December 15th, 2008 at 4:13 pm
Does a tiger change his stripes? Elliot Mintz was around in the beginning when Paris was still involved.
http://x17online.com/celebrities/britney_spears/britneys_eclectic_style_a_forensic_analysis-11222006.php#comments
Ignore comments just page up to photos.
Kaplan fires Michael Sands and hires Elliot Mintz. Why? Is he so capable? Or does he know more about the inside … since he has “partied” with the girls and with Sam and Alli … and …
Steel. I mean this in the most positive complimentary of ways, but you have the more shrewd mind or willingness to see things of us two. What do you see now that you may not have seen before? What does Mintz have outside of PR and mag connections?
Would it be hurtful to Brit to have once BFF’s PR guy? Everyone against her. But the c-ship was already done by then, or Mintz was hired the day of the c-ship.
December 15th, 2008 at 4:15 pm
p.s. It was Mintz who told Paris she could drive. Is Paris a pond in all of this? What price success and independence from her own parents?
Just putting it out there.
Mark. Sorry we are still in the past but it’s sort of like genealogy – you have to take two steps back to take one step forward.
December 15th, 2008 at 4:21 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 15th, 2008 at 4:13 pm
What do you see now that you may not have seen before? What does Mintz have outside of PR and mag connections?
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In terms of these two? To me, these two are just hired guns. Their jobs are the same – to spin the stories their “bosses” are giving them, and put those stories out into the media.
I’d be concentrating on the bosses, and how those bosses are working the legal system.
December 15th, 2008 at 4:23 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 15th, 2008 at 4:15 pm
Mark. Sorry we are still in the past but it’s sort of like genealogy – you have to take two steps back to take one step forward.
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Or…you have to understand chapters 1,2 and 3 in order for the lastest chapters in the story to make sense.
December 15th, 2008 at 4:25 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 15th, 2008 at 4:13 pm
Kaplan fires Michael Sands and hires Elliot Mintz. Why? Is he so capable? Or does he know more about the inside … since he has “partied” with the girls and with Sam and Alli … and …
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The fact that Kaplan needs a spinmaster at all SAYS SOMETHING about the way he represents his clients.
December 15th, 2008 at 4:27 pm
P.S. The fact that J.S., “celebrity chef and personality,” needs a spinmaster, says something as well.
December 15th, 2008 at 4:33 pm
Yes.
Meanwhile, Dancing with the Stars. Is it live? I tried finding before what the date of filming the finale week of Dancing with the Stars would have been.
And no. Lynne did NOT introduce Sam. She says unbeknownst to her, Alli met him in a club and introduced him to Britney.
The zirconium endorsement deal came “months later” but … but who knows what Lynne means by months later. And don’t forget that Sam wanted a picture with Lynne, “…and I can’t even remember if I consented. Now I know what he was up to all right.”
December 15th, 2008 at 4:34 pm
The zirconium deal came “months later” after the anonymous call about the drugs. Sorry for confusion.
December 15th, 2008 at 4:39 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 15th, 2008 at 4:33 pm Yes.
And no. Lynne did NOT introduce Sam. She says unbeknownst to her, Alli met him in a club and introduced him to Britney.
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I believe this. I didn’t think that Lynn introduced Sammy to B.
Just trying to make the point that he was Lynn’s acquaintence before he ever came into B’s life.
It sounds like she has talked with Sammy on three different occasions (shoe endorsements, ziconiums, DWTS), even meeting with him on more than one occasion?
WHY would she even talk with a man who she knew was involved in “drugs,” or anything of the sort?
Something’s not adding up.
December 15th, 2008 at 4:40 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 15th, 2008 at 4:33 pm
The zirconium endorsement deal came “months later” but … but who knows what Lynne means by months later. And don’t forget that Sam wanted a picture with Lynne, “…and I can’t even remember if I consented. Now I know what he was up to all right.”
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Does she elaborate on what she meant by, “Now I know what he was up to all right”?
What did she think he was up to?
December 15th, 2008 at 4:49 pm
AM, To make a long story short…
We may never know what really happened there until someone comes forward (e.g. Lynn, Sammy, B) with more information.
There are some major details missing from this story…
December 15th, 2008 at 5:15 pm
Um of course Lynne doesn’t tell us what she knew he was up to all right. She talks and she doesn’t talk and she’s making a case for herself.
That’s my opinion.
I will be curious as to what Ian can provide us in his book — that he can not comment on right now. The only thing he has said was that Lynne didn’t get everything accurate.
As for any rights Britney may or may not have had as an “average citizen” while in Promises, one could make a call and find out. It’s not on my agenda this week — small was that you asking about that?
On the why Lynne kept talking to the guy? Join small and I on our little p.o. list against Lynne.
Remember Lynne thought God might have answered her prayers? Why yes. I would love to appear on TV and sell zirconium.
Here’s a big question for me. You don’t get a call from an anon person telling you the things that Sam did, and not tell anyone. Who did Lynne confide in? Did it help or hurt the situation?
If Britney was saying, “I don’t have an addiction like you think. I was just acting out, being young,” and someone calls about drugs?
Did Lynne go check because Britney was so fragile and didn’t need any more bad news or … did Lynne go and check because if anyone was planting drugs in the house it was her own daughter?
or…
Why didn’t Lynne raise a huge stink about some stranger having her CELL phone number (she was in her car, she “almost missed her exit”) and making this statement? Who did she tell? Who could she tell? Team Kaplan? “Well I think you should know that …”
girl was outnumbered
December 15th, 2008 at 5:18 pm
Lynne leaves out many details. Did she have keys to the Malibu house? Did she speed dial Alli?
December 15th, 2008 at 5:18 pm
In the spirit of KLM and her “random questions” did Alli have her own ringtone?
December 15th, 2008 at 5:19 pm
Was it Devo’s “Whip it Good?” Just playing. It’s raining in Phoenix and dark.
December 15th, 2008 at 5:28 pm
I don’t know, but the more I think about all this, the more I feel like:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QooiSbL_06I
December 15th, 2008 at 5:30 pm
NICE!
December 15th, 2008 at 5:37 pm
Can you help me with this one? What was Britney doing that was really so crazy given the circumstances?
“It slowed her down a bit but…”
Was that the objective Lynne, to slow her down? Was it to keep her from ruining HER career?
What info did K-Fed provide to “win” Lynne over to betray her daughter? Maybe she always betrayed. I don’t know. There are women like that.
What did you think of Britney’s Atlanta performance? Seemed ripe for a pedophile but moreover she was so damn professional, not complaining about the work, but wondering maybe if she had to do it again. You see her pull herslef back up after the hair flip? One would have thought she’d be beaming after her performance, wanting to be loved, wanting to know she had pleased, or smacking with confidence.
It’s a weird video. Really weird to me.
Oh and Steel? grrr-reat. Now I have the song embedded in my head. My poor brain. Thanks for the VJ work.
Now what. Antigua again?
But back to what I was saying, how in just those few months do you force someone to take a break? It feels so wrong.
December 15th, 2008 at 6:31 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 15th, 2008 at 5:37 pm
Can you help me with this one? What was Britney doing that was really so crazy given the circumstances?
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MARK TWAIN Says:
December 13th, 2008 at 4:21 pm
‘Image is everything’.
December 15th, 2008 at 6:42 pm
Perfect.
We knew that but how far to take it? All the way I guess. To an extreme at the risk of crushing someone’s spirit.
Unusual You unusual song.
December 15th, 2008 at 6:45 pm
I think you posted this before. Happy Valentines Day if you didn’t.
http://www.tmz.com/2007/02/16/britney-checks-in-to-rehab-checks-out-a-day-later/
December 15th, 2008 at 6:45 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 15th, 2008 at 5:37 pm
…not complaining about the work, but wondering maybe if she had to do it again. You see her pull herslef back up after the hair flip? One would have thought she’d be beaming after her performance…
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Sadly, it reminded me of this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlWUEcFAJnk
Ick, I feel bad for even thinking it…
December 15th, 2008 at 6:53 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 15th, 2008 at 6:45 pm
I think you posted this before. Happy Valentines Day if you didn’t.
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You have two small babies. You’re going through a divorce. It’s Valentine’s Day.
Guess what? You’re embarassing us. It’s time to ship you out of the country for a month, until the public forgets what you just did.
…That’s the impression I’m being left with. But maybe that’s just me.
…
December 15th, 2008 at 7:07 pm
The dog tucking it’s tail still does not have the look Britney has in that audition tape from Atlanta.
No one is clapping or telling her good job. Is she alone with the man?
December 15th, 2008 at 7:11 pm
hmm. Embarrassing us? Or tarnishing the image we worked so hard to build and live off of and how lucky we are to be here and do you know how many girls would be grateful for your position?
Is Valentine’s Day the correct date you think?
If so, an additional cruelty especially if K-Fed slept with another woman or returned to Shar.
Britney knows what went on. Ain’t it funny that neither she nor Adnan can speak.
It’s cold outside but the lemons are ripening. It’s funny that winter is a time to harvest here. Some leaves have turned but the rest are green.
There’s hope.
December 15th, 2008 at 7:12 pm
Nice timing Felicia.
http://www.jiyh.com/category/felicia-culotta/
December 15th, 2008 at 7:17 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkZD7Hgf9hg&feature=related
December 15th, 2008 at 7:23 pm
Britney Clarifies: I’m Taking A Break From Being Told What To Do
MTV
January 4, 2005
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1495295/20050104/spears_britney.jhtml
December 15th, 2008 at 7:28 pm
Another tidbit to read again:
“Yet even the people who do know the real Britney don’t know her anymore. Her former manager Johnny Wright says, “I’m not pointing fingers, but I can’t believe that she woke up one morning and said, ‘I don’t want my family, or anyone else I knew, to be in touch with me anymore.’
“People say she needs to go to rehab. I think she just needs a friend—somebody not caught up in Hollywood, not looking for a paycheck. Somebody she trusts has to step up and break it down for her.”
When Wright worked with her, Britney had a personal assistant named Felicia Culotta. “She was her friend first, and she worked for peanuts. She had no other agenda than Britney’s well-being,” Wright says.
Recently he told her, “‘Felicia, you need to reach out to her.’”
Culotta’s answer was a measure of Britney’s isolation, and a sign of her peril. She said, “‘Johnny, they won’t let me in.’”
Source: Blender”
http://thestarblogger.com/2008/01/28/britney-spears-blender-magazine-cover-and-article-road-to-ruin.aspx
December 15th, 2008 at 7:28 pm
Apparently, the video for “Do Something” wasn’t aired in the US, but if I remember correctly it was #1 on Canadian stations for several weeks:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxCQCENOtoM
Remember the performances she did at the House of Blues in the summer of 2007? It made me laugh – some of the clothes her and the dancers wore on stage appeared to come from “Do Something” video! LOL
December 15th, 2008 at 7:54 pm
…7:28 relates to the articles at 7:23, by the way.
December 15th, 2008 at 8:17 pm
I just saw and read them. My. That was uplifting.
not I never read those before. When did she stop writing them?
Marriage was an escape? I feel stupid catching up with the basis for many people’s claims. The girl wanted out and now she’s back where she was before?
I hope the L.A. Time and others keep it up.
mw, I hate to keep hitting this one over the head but Felicia = MS = religion again. I kind of think some folk in America would start to freak out if they thought it was about something other than MONEY.
While I respect the religion of others within reason things would be easier in Britney’s case if God was not brought so much into it. She and her siblings left the church of their childhood or rather they left their parents’ church.
December 15th, 2008 at 8:18 pm
p.s. I did think K-Fed was an escape but you provided cross-proof in a manner.
December 15th, 2008 at 8:41 pm
Where to from here? If I was going to write a book I would catalog Kevin’s behavior. How many times did X and others catch him out spending money or out for the night when he had a newborn at home?
What did Britney really do that was so wrong or different than him by February? Pls don’t toss image back at me. Small. K-Fed and Lynne together as a pair p. me off. lol For some reason it is safest to say it to you.
Steel. I tried to find you some clips from Titanic (modern) so you and others would know why I reference it. Suffice. Kate is trapped (but oh the dresses! loves)and sees her whole life playing about before her.
Her mother and her fiance wish very much for continued control over her and for her to stay tight and fit in.
Kate runs to the back of the ship and steps on to the back of it. “Jack,” an outsider of course (like Adnan and Oedipus Rex and so many others “heroes”) talks her down and becomes her interest.
Jack offers her a spontaneous and uncontrolled world. Kate’s mother predictably treats him like a bug, a “dangerous bug.”
Like Britney has surely been challenge, Kate is challenged at some point as to whether her new interest has stolen from her — her fiance is the one who has it set up to appear so.
This is a contemporary movie or story but I’m sure it’s a classic. Mark probably knows at least ten and could list the novels in literature.
It’s Britney Bitch — oh that’s my phone! ringtone
December 15th, 2008 at 8:50 pm
Steel. Bishop takes Rook. Shall we go back, get present?
I’ll be gone for a week next weekend and the New Year heralds in fireworks. So some say.
Some others say two to three more months.
December 15th, 2008 at 10:43 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 15th, 2008 at 8:50 pm
Steel. Bishop takes Rook. Shall we go back, get present?
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Hop in…
You’re going to see some serious shit!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BytKSy8M4bk&feature=related
December 15th, 2008 at 11:00 pm
12/15/2008 D999 RESPONSE TO PLAINTIFFS’ MOTION TO DISMISS DEFENDANTS’ THIRD PARTY COUNTERCLAIM S (SIC) AND/OR ALTERNATIVELY FOR A MORE DEFINITE STATEMENT
aha. The letter D at last.
December 16th, 2008 at 12:25 am
lol doesn’t cut it Steel. Thank you.
Moving on – MT’s present, and our other present. WEG.
Again with 3rd party counterclaims. Who do we have?
Nothing has been publicly logged until today by D since May 14th. It can’t be that they did nothing and we only get what isn’t considered confidential.
Interesting that little sic. Ok, one third party counterclaim sic.
December 16th, 2008 at 12:32 am
11/25/2008 P999 MOTION TO DISMISS CROSS CLAIM PLAINTIFFS’ MOTION TO DISMISS DEFENDANTS’ THIRD PARTY COUNTERCLAIMS, AND ALTERNATIVELY FOR A MORE DEFINITE STATEMENT
Should read I think, Motion to Dismiss Cross Claim. Plaintiff’s motion to Dismiss Defendants’ Third Party Counterclaims, and Alternatively for a More Definite Statement.
v.
12/15/2008 D999 Response to Plaintiffs’ Motion to Dismiss Defendants’ Third Party Counterclaims and/or Alternatively for a more Definite Statement.
dry, boring
December 16th, 2008 at 3:42 am
It has been a busy day and frankly, I’m tired. I have skimmed through everything and I will read more this week. I am tired, sleepy, and cold. Good night
Talk more tomorrow if I am not busy again.
December 16th, 2008 at 10:41 am
Mark, thank you for the story.
I’m looking at the board. I’m wondering about the bishop and the king. I wonder if I am a sophisticated enough player.
Check. The Rook is open.
I hope.
Knights are tricky players and more obvious than Bishops at times. Perhaps that was a mistake in strategy last match. The Rook saw and dealt with it.
I am liking this Bishop. ’tis.
Steel. Image is everything.
As an aside, unrelated, what’s with Britney ‘posing’ with Brett these days?
December 16th, 2008 at 11:35 am
12/15/2008 D999 EXHIBITS IN SUPPORT OF NOTICE OF FILING
12/15/2008 D999 EXHIBITS IN SUPPORT OF NOTICE OF FILING
12/15/2008 P999 EXHIBITS IN SUPPORT OF PLAINTIFFS’ MOTION FOR LEAVE TO AMEND THE CASE MANAGEME NT ORDER
12/15/2008 D999 NOTICE OF FILING DOCUMENTS IN OPPOSITION TO PLAINTIFFS’ SECOND MOTION TO COMPE L COMPLETE ANSWERS TO PLAINTIFFS’ FIRST SET OF INTERROGATORIES AND FIRST REQUES T TO PRODUCE
12/15/2008 P999 NOTICE OF FILING PLAINTIFFS’ FOURTH AMENDED CASE MANAGEMENT REPORT
12/15/2008 P999 PROPOSED ORDER AMENDED CASE MANAGEMENT ORDER
12/15/2008 P999 PROPOSED ORDER PLAINTIFFS’ SECOND MOTION TO COMPEL
12/15/2008 P999 PROPOSED ORDER PLAINTIFFS’ MOTION FOR LEAVE TO AMEND TO FILE FIRST AMENDED COM PLAINT
12/15/2008 D999 RESPONSE TO PLAINTIFFS’ MOTION TO DISMISS DEFENDANTS’ THIRD PARTY COUNTERCLAIM S (SIC) AND/OR ALTERNATIVELY FOR A MORE DEFINITE STATEMENT
December 16th, 2008 at 12:08 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 15th, 2008 at 11:00 pm
12/15/2008 D999 RESPONSE TO PLAINTIFFS’ MOTION TO DISMISS DEFENDANTS’ THIRD PARTY COUNTERCLAIM S (SIC) AND/OR ALTERNATIVELY FOR A MORE DEFINITE STATEMENT
aha. The letter D at last.
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Have we determined who the “Third Party” is??
December 16th, 2008 at 12:14 pm
Steel. First mention of post-partum or bi-polar?
http://www.tmz.com/2007/02/27/britneys-post-partum-struggle/
December 16th, 2008 at 12:34 pm
Ha Steel — I was missing you like the desert needs the rain. Not a bad song. No we don’t know who the Third Party is but I’ll look back for the first time it was mentioned.
I show an additional lawyer for Defense, William B. Wilson, also of Holland & Knight.
mw, for the timeline — the mystery calls to CPS.
http://www.tmz.com/2007/02/21/child-services-hotline-blows-up-with-britney-calls/
I don’t think a group of haters could organize well enough to do that but who knows.
Mission:
o Intro to Paris, instant social life and party association
o Get Britney to rehab
o Remove children
o Get money
Let’s say there was a tipster to K-Fed’s camp including Ma and Pa Spears. Between the media and this third party source, who will say or has proof of Britney doing drugs…
There has to be more explanation on why that camp could and would take the children — but no one tells Britney who told them about the drugs or whatever. That would have made me pretty mad. I might have inferred that my ex and family were believing the media outlets versus me.
If Lynne doesn’t tell anyone more than Jackie about sneaky Sam …Is it the first time they found drugs in Britney’s place? Or is it easier to believe the anon caller because it’s happened before.
December 16th, 2008 at 12:36 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 16th, 2008 at 12:14 pm
First mention of post-partum or bi-polar?
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Interesting. This comes a full year before Ma’s declaration and Samuel’s statement to the press.
Just a side note…The declaration named four different medications. R and S are known to be used for Bi-Polar and Post Partem Psychosis. A is used for the treatment of ADHD. And then we had a sleeping aid; we saw her fill this prescription with Brett in October 2007.
Something else interesting…The declaration didn’t specify which medications were being crushed.
December 16th, 2008 at 12:46 pm
Do you know what drug was showing in Britney’s purse? She was seated in the car. They were samples therefore not traceable to a pharmacy.
btb, Paris Hilton takes Adderol for Attn Deficit Disorder. She said so on CNN after she did her jail time.
December 16th, 2008 at 12:46 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 16th, 2008 at 10:41 am
As an aside, unrelated, what’s with Britney ‘posing’ with Brett these days?
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Almost as if Brett’s a “fan” who wants a picture. LOL
Between that and flippin’ the bird…I do believe the Queen B is growing tired of it all??
December 16th, 2008 at 12:50 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 16th, 2008 at 12:46 pm
Do you know what drug was showing in Britney’s purse? She was seated in the car. They were samples therefore not traceable to a pharmacy.
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It was Adderal. I remember it, because I was shocked that X would post photos of that nature. It seemed like an extreme invasion of privacy.
I’ll try and dig up a link, even just to find a date.
December 16th, 2008 at 1:03 pm
“Amethyst Mine Says:
December 15th, 2008 at 8:41 pm Where to from here? If I was going to write a book I would catalog Kevin’s behavior. How many times did X and others catch him out spending money or out for the night when he had a newborn at home?
What did Britney really do that was so wrong or different than him by February? Pls don’t toss image back at me. Small. K-Fed and Lynne together as a pair p. me off. lol For some reason it is safest to say it to you. …
….
”
AM,
I don’t understand all in your english,but one thing I have managed to see a pattern of, is that Steel_ never answer when one directly ask her about “bad” things who x17 could have been near or involved in.
I have asked Stee_ myself before about this strange pattern, (dont ask me about what date or tread, but I have aske about it) and I have never get any answer.
Its like Steel not see this questions
Anayway, its strange.. No reaction when x17 is involved, no opinons personal opinons from Steel_
The last time it happend for me was when I put this pics on this tread, when I joke about paparazzi Sam, taking pick of Britney and x17 Felipe.
The reaction from Steel was to turn it into a Kaplan /Sam joke.
Not a word about x17.
Anyway, to many times make a pattern
You see, I belive that Sam worked with/for x17, even if they say he dont.
I cant understand that they even bother to deneid it.
Oh..yes..what/how much do they paid him?
Or was he so vain that he did this for free?
x17 have the key, to what part Sam Lutfi real have, in Britneys Spears breakdown.
x17 have the key.
x17 have the key.
December 16th, 2008 at 1:09 pm
Ama, Instead of talking about me to AM, why don’t you ask me a question directly so that I can answer it?
December 16th, 2008 at 1:11 pm
AM, I was lying. It wasn’t Adderal. But it was a medication used to treat ADHD, which is what I remembered:
http://x17online.com/celebrities/britney_spears/x17_xclusive_britney_arrives_at_the_beverly_hills_hotel_for_parenting_classes-10242007.php
Disclaimer: Don’t click on the link if you don’t want to feel dirty!
December 16th, 2008 at 1:12 pm
Amapola Says:
December 16th, 2008 at 1:03 pm
You see, I belive that Sam worked with/for x17, even if they say he dont.
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I also believe this to be true. I thought EVERYBODY thought that.
December 16th, 2008 at 1:14 pm
Save your breath Steel, it’s pointless.
December 16th, 2008 at 1:18 pm
Amapola Says:
December 16th, 2008 at 1:03 pm
The last time it happend for me was when I put this pics on this tread, when I joke about paparazzi Sam, taking pick of Britney and x17 Felipe.
The reaction from Steel was to turn it into a Kaplan /Sam joke.
Not a word about x17.
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I didn’t turn it into a joke. I asked an honest question.
Is it not possible that Sammy had been hired as a private investigator/informant, with a dual role? Could he have been being paid to purposely make B look bad? Is it possible that he had worked for “the gymnast” the entire time, using X as a way to document everything and put it out in the media so that B would purposely loose her custody case?
December 16th, 2008 at 1:19 pm
MH…
Always the voice of reason. LOL
December 16th, 2008 at 1:31 pm
Steel. If you thought that was an invasion of privacy I wonder what you thought about X17’s coverage on “She’s not pregnant.” That was appalling.
Ama – I am running through X17 archives on this fine rainy day. I was going through TMZ’s but I must not have been doing it right. On my first run I saw nothing for November 2006, December 2006, January 2007
I had not noticed a pattern …
I am loathe to be in another war.
We have had a couple of productive days, and for myself, new findings to understand the first chapters of the book as Steel put it.
I’d rather play chess and without Steel I’d be playing alot more often on my own. We balance each other in my humble opinion. She’s more shrewd than I but that doesn’t mean I don’t question her.
I readily admit I am more apt to start getting angry when it comes to protecting Britney. I watched it in the flow of this thread, my responses and reactions, and to try and temper it with less filtering and more objectivity.
I still feel protective over Britney though — just less likely to lash out if I think Steel is trying to hurt her or put alot of blame on her.
Surely we have all seen in the past few days what was triggering Britney in February and more of who was doing it. Parachini for example, with Steel’s help I could see more of the picture because without her I was going after things in the courthouse.
lol. Please don’t mess with my playmate. A match of chess takes two.
December 16th, 2008 at 1:39 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRFhU2lACJI
December 16th, 2008 at 1:42 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 16th, 2008 at 1:31 pm
Steel. If you thought that was an invasion of privacy I wonder what you thought about X17’s coverage on “She’s not pregnant.” That was appalling.
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See:
Steel_Magnolia Says:
December 16th, 2008 at 1:18 pm
December 16th, 2008 at 1:47 pm
AM, Do you get what I’m saying now about Suppository Sam having a story to tell?
I always got the feeling he fit into a larger picture.
December 16th, 2008 at 2:24 pm
AM, You said there was a thread where you discussed this stuff with MT. Can you by any chance provide me with a link? It might help me get on the same page as the rest of you…
December 16th, 2008 at 3:03 pm
“Steel_Magnolia Says:
December 16th, 2008 at 1:09 pm Ama, Instead of talking about me to AM, why don’t you ask me a question directly so that I can answer it?”
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Answer:
“Amapola Says:
December 16th, 2008 at 1:03 pm
“……but one thing I have managed to see a pattern of, is that Steel_ never answer when one directly ask her about “bad” things who x17 could have been near or involved in…..”
I have asked Stee_ myself before about this strange pattern, (dont ask me about what date or tread, but I have aske about it) and I have never get any answer.
Its like Steel not see this questions.”
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It seems like the tax authority in every country are the only ones who can get the truth in light, and also the only authority who EVERYONE is scared of get attention of.
December 16th, 2008 at 3:17 pm
Amapola Says:
December 16th, 2008 at 3:03 pm
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See:
Steel_Magnolia Says:
December 16th, 2008 at 1:12 pm
AND
Steel_Magnolia Says:
December 16th, 2008 at 1:18 pm
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What is the ultimate goal here?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJYoV8Kq6Vo
Quite effective.
December 16th, 2008 at 3:57 pm
Sorry — I went out for awhile. If I could remember where exactly MT and I had discussed it I probably would have quoted him. I do so like his words.
Steel. I had an intriguing but embarrassingly slow thought. I got to thinking about different professions, databases, contact info you can buy and all that stuff.
Wouldn’t someone in PR or the media, like Sands, have access not just to Harvey’s people, but Barbara’s people or a database or rollodex. Would that index also include phone numbers to “celebrities” or those associated with them?
I’ve been asking for awhile how does a person like Sam even get the number for Harvey, Lynne etc.? I kept trying to visualize some Rollodex or list of numbers in Britney’s phone but that didn’t make sense, not in any fashion.
But someone like Sands would. Yes? And he probably would have legitimately had access at some point… I’d have to call someone in the industry as cross-proof or just to understand how that side of it works. Aren’t these media people always saying, “Did not return calls by printing of this article?”
How does Sam get Kahlie’s phone number? Fed-X has it, Kaplan has it, now Sands has it …
Do you like my thinking? The how-it-works-in- Hollywood is one I might like to prove with a few phones. I wouldn’t have to waste anyone’s time since I legitimately have something of a project right now.
***
I listen to MH for a reason(s).
***
I’ll page back up to whatever it was I said MT was talking about. I already tried but wanted to post my theory. I’m with Britney. I love driving in my car — it’s a great place for thinking more free.
December 16th, 2008 at 4:09 pm
Did Lynne say, “How did you get this phone number?” If Sam went on to describe a conspiracy theory then she likely had time to ask, no demand.
Odd.
“Immediately I call the security guards at the Malibu house and asked them to check for drugs.”
k so Alli and Lynne weren’t the only ones who might have found the drugs.
“While I knew Kevin would never hurt my daughter like that, and I highly doubted her assistants would either, things were so fragile with Britney at the time that I wasn’t taking any chances.”
What does that mean? I doubt if Kevin would do it or her assistants but what if he or they had? What made her waver?
What credibility might Sam have offered as an anonymous caller for Lynne to act … Lynne. It’s too intriguing of a detail. What did Anon say to you about how he got your number?
Thoughts anyone?
December 16th, 2008 at 4:10 pm
Also, when he calls back the second time, why don’t you ask, “Well if that’s who are then why the big mystery a few months back?”
December 16th, 2008 at 4:24 pm
Steel_ ?
I did not meant to hurt so bad 
I just think its very shady everywher.
And now I have looked if there was any links to rhis Pelligrino man and peopel around Britney
found this..
Will take time to read
Take it in part comments so it not be so long.
“Sands about Pellicano
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/11/17/entertainment/main583974.shtml
“He also boasted of digging into the past of his clients’ enemies.
“So they gotta take the same heat that they dish out,” he once said.
Hollywood publicist Michael Sands said he suspected Pellicano of tapping his phones in 1990 when he was investigating one of Sands’ celebrity clients. Sands acknowledged he could never prove it.
“Anthony Pellicano was one of the detectives all the lawyers in Hollywood liked and they gave him their business,” Sands said.
“They wanted his old-style muscle. There wasn’t much of that around anymore.”
December 16th, 2008 at 4:27 pm
Sands, Wasser (dad to guess who
), and more..
Archive for Saturday, March 18, 2006
DIVORCE
By Rachel Abramowitz And Robert W. Welkos
March 18, 2006 in print edition E-1
WHEN Hollywood publicist Michael Sands tried to hire celebrity divorce lawyer Dennis Wasser in a child custody case, he got a stern brushoff from the silver-haired, opera-loving attorney, best known for handling the breakups of such Hollywood luminaries as Tom Cruise, Steven Spielberg and J. Lo.
“You don’t need an army to destroy an ant,” Sands recalled Wasser telling him.
Now this urbane family law specialist may find himself in the uncomfortable position of having to marshal his own legal army, as he’s become a “person of interest” in the ongoing federal investigation of Hollywood private eye Anthony Pellicano…
..
…
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Wasser along with…..said the world of high -stakes divorce is one in which well-heeled clients expect results when they come knocking.
“We are not mediators,” he said. “The phrase is, ‘we’re meat eaters.’ If you treat us nice, we treat you nice. If you don’t, it’s a whole different ballgame.”
In a 2004 interview with an English newspaper, Wasser himself professed chagrin at some of the nasty behavior he has seen in divorce court.
“My patience gets tested all the time by some of the behavior I come across,” said Wasser. “How do I deal with it? By taking deep breaths.”
http://articles.latimes.com/2006/mar/18/entertainment/et-wasser18
December 16th, 2008 at 4:27 pm
2/1/07
http://www.usatoday.com/life/people/2007-02-01-britney-spears_x.htm
One wonders what happened between the 1st and Valentine’s Day.
December 16th, 2008 at 4:32 pm
21 Mars 2008
Ask John Nazarian from Being one of Hollywood P.I. Extraordinaire – What was it like to??
http://www.rosespeaks.com/rose-blog/category/britney-spears/
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My God, they are all linked together..as a cluster.
Hope you can exuse me, on this site, when I´m not have ability to understand all connections and history and environment in this LA, Miami, Bahamas, Florida world
.
December 16th, 2008 at 4:35 pm
They are notty against K-Fed in the comming Star edition:
http://www.celebitchy.com/26687/kevin_federline_partying_with_weed_and_hookers/
December 16th, 2008 at 4:39 pm
Amapola Says:
December 16th, 2008 at 4:24 pm
Steel_ ? I did not meant to hurt so bad
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It didn’t hurt, Ama. It just feels like we’re spinning round in circles sometimes.
December 16th, 2008 at 4:40 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 16th, 2008 at 4:09 pm
“Immediately I call the security guards at the Malibu house and asked them to check for drugs.”
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Did the security include Fat Tony?
December 16th, 2008 at 4:41 pm
Yes, they are notty against Britney too.
What about that, Spears and Federline spokesmans?
Get your act together soon
December 16th, 2008 at 4:43 pm
Wonder who wants Fat Tony as security/bodyguards this days?
December 16th, 2008 at 4:44 pm
AM, I’m out for the night, but if we want to bring ourselves up to the future, we may want to figure out…
1/ Third party…Tri-S?
2/ Tour? AEG, Insurance, C-Ship, deals.
3/ Lawrence. He just keeps coming back, and coming back. What’s the deal?
Bye for now.
P.S. Yes. Listening. For a reason.
December 16th, 2008 at 5:00 pm
Ama. I will catch up with your news in a moment. I am hunting down January 5, 2007 when joint temporary custody was officially determined as per the Washington Post. They were already calling her a trainwreck Jan. 6, 2007 and probably before.
p.s. with the frequency of some of us posting it’s become polite as to schedule. Thx Steel.
December 16th, 2008 at 5:27 pm
AM
Yes AM, you are right
I understand Steel_ and you work on something special.
For me it look like it not any amateurs questions anymore.
More like someone work on something, and taking help from others who are kind enough to do the work for them.
But thats how I, dont understand english see it
December 16th, 2008 at 5:32 pm
AM
I understand I am no help in this investigation, and I smiling,. Think Steels hair turning grey becasue of me?
Better Steel_, and you, do the serious work.
I am, as I sad well aware of that I´m in no use, in this case
So go on girls..
December 16th, 2008 at 5:38 pm
Earlier then so, AM
“Celebrity News From Around The Web.
Found this 10/2/2007 on darkhat blogspot dot com
After years of destroying the lives of everyone around her, Britney has finally lost custody of her children. The source confirms: Britney Spears must hand over custody of her sons to Kevin Federline this week “until further order of the court,” a …
http://showhype.com/story/britney_lost_custody_of_her_kids/
December 16th, 2008 at 6:28 pm
I still haven’t caught up.
mw, is this where it began?
http://www.starmagazine.com/news/11011
Is the “inside source” Michael Sands?
I’ve been going through January X17 and I am seeing good or average behavior but I am working backwards through the month.
Doe anyone really know what Britney took the New Year’s Eve? Who hasn’t fallen asleep or had a little too much? How could Kevin possibly know was Britney consumed?
Sands would know how to make up a story.
So Lynne and K-Fed were aligned by Jan. 24, 2007? It is the Star magazine but who knows. I would love to have seen a hard copy of what Mama Spears was doing about Britney’s “partying ways” as mentioned in the article.
December 16th, 2008 at 6:31 pm
X17’s take on Jan 24, 2007
“She just separated from her husband; she’s having fun at night; and I just don’t see Britney as the type to be hooked on drugs or alcohol.”
http://x17online.com/celebrities/2007/01/index.php?page=4
December 16th, 2008 at 7:49 pm
I am not finding anything remarkable Britney did in the entire month of January outside of falling asleep, whatever you call it, on New Year’s Eve.
I did come across my notes on what TMZ called the dumbest press release ever. 12-6-06
I didn’t notice before a “credit” to Aaron Cohen, the guy who later served Alli and company, and hung around with Sands, Kaplan, etc. during the period of time when I think Rolling Stones did the interview that included Claus.
What was Aaron’s role so early in “security?” To deliver a Press Release? Strange company.
I am guessing Aaron came along with Sands.
http://www.tmz.com/2006/12/06/k-fed-and-the-dumbest-press-release-ever/
Let me get this straight. Nothing happened between New Years… and X doesn’t have a thing about Brit allegedly passing out until a few days later. Wonder who reported it first.
Something is not right here. Doh!
December 16th, 2008 at 7:52 pm
Back to TMZ’s article on the dumbest release.
Photos available from Bauer Griffin. Of whom, Kevin and Kaplan?
I wish Navarre might have said when she began to receive Texts from Sam. Has she?
December 16th, 2008 at 8:14 pm
AM
When I put in this comment ->
Amapola Says:
December 16th, 2008 at 4:27 pm
Archive for Saturday, March 18, 2006
DIVORCE
…and read what Wasser had said to Sands about Sands divorce, I was thinking of what Sand himself have said on a video..
Sands wife was (?) bi-polar, his son has ADD, and he himself have a petite now and then ADD?
Sand was, after the divorce, placed as legal guardian of the son they have common?
Was he not saing that on that video when he talked A LOT
Then my thought again goes to whats really matter in Britney Spears/K Federlinde “case”
The money.
Money.
To get more money from Britney.
Because it was so easy to divorce from a person who was told to be mental “unstable”
,
Wasser:
““You don’t need an army to destroy an ant,” Sands recalled Wasser telling him.
Britney is a whelty ant, I suppose.
December 16th, 2008 at 8:21 pm
“Amethyst Mine Says:
December 16th, 2008 at 7:52 pm Back to TMZ’s article on the dumbest release.
Photos available from Bauer Griffin. Of whom, Kevin and Kaplan?
I wish Navarre might have said when she began to receive Texts from Sam. Has she?”
I would be very suprised if she had. She is so ashamed of the nature of the way, she and her husband, earning their money, so she asked the reporter not to tell where they was living, because their neighbours, among the villas around them, don’t know their true “sustentation”
December 16th, 2008 at 8:31 pm
No specific date:
“Brandy believes that she was the first one to talk to Sam Lutfi, Britney Spears’ opportunistic boyfriend. “He was emailing me at first anonymously,” says Brandy, “He gave me this huge interview — Hi, I’m Britney Spears’ friend and I know why she shave her head — and he never asked for money, to this day. Though he implied that he wanted good coverage. We were happy to do it! We were getting these amazing exclusives… (Other) magazines were offering him a lot of money, but he came to us. I don’t know why.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dipayan-gupta/youre-asking-for-it-cha_b_93741.html
December 16th, 2008 at 8:36 pm
Confusing. TMZ’s own Harvey Levin said on the Ryan Seacrest show that Britney was not in Promises for alchohol but for post-partum depression.
Meanwhile X17 said when they saw her she was going to an AA meeting.
Britney Suffering From Pospartum Depression
27 Feb 2007, by Jordan Miller
A source close to Federline told E! Online that he had shared his belief with friends that Spears changed dramatically after she became a mother. “He feels like Britney never was the same after she had their kids,” the source said. “Even after the first baby, she had wild mood swings and her temper would go off at the drop of a hat.” “It got worse after her second pregnancy. Kevin didn’t want another baby so soon, not because he didn’t want more kids, but because her temper was so unstable when she was pregnant,” the source continued. “After she came home from the hospital the second time, she just seemed really unhappy all of the time. He said, ‘Nothing made her happy anymore. She was just angry or sad all the time.’”
Experts have said that Spears’ recent spate of erratic behavior could have been motivated by postpartum depression, which can set in anytime during the first year after birth and affects up to 80 percent of new mothers.
Credit: Eonline
I read all of the latter hearing Sands and the beginning of the set up of not someone who had a drug or alcohol problem but a mental problem.
Note the Lynne never gives this information, just reps for K-Fed.
December 16th, 2008 at 8:37 pm
I’m outta here again…I’m on the slooooowest connection in the world right now.
Now THAT will turn your hair gray!
LOL
December 16th, 2008 at 9:05 pm
2-16-07 Britney comes through the LAX airport and shaves her head hours later when she K-Fed won’t let her see her kid.
long day
Mark. Are you sure those fireworks haven’t begun? Star is going after K-Fed 12/22 in hard copy print.
December 16th, 2008 at 9:09 pm
Ama. I remember that one. Wouldn’t you love to know how the divorce cases ended for both Kaplan and for Sands, and their wives?
Steel. There is another article in Blender or Rolling Stone where Navarre says she began to receive text messages from him.
I remember because I wanted to know how a guy like Sam gets the cell phone of someone like Navarre.
Still no opinion from either of you as to Sands providing Sam with phone numbers, contact info.
December 16th, 2008 at 9:10 pm
One thing I have notice about Britney, and she talk about it herself:
“I use to be one of thouse cool chic” (I dont know if I heard right)
I think she get so overwolmed when she felt how strong her love was for her kids, that she now is scare to do, or say, anything at all, who can hurt her reconnection with them.
She almost tremblor with the thougt of loosing them (as I “see” it)
And because of that, she can look unsecure.
I do hope that responsible people in court (if there going to be them who decided) do understand what has happend to her.
Thats a horrible treatment they (and now I talking about some private persons with lawyers)holding over her.
Her worst nightmare can come trough. She live in constant threat. They holding her in an unsecure statment.
Are they going to take my kids from me?
What shall one call that treatment?
December 16th, 2008 at 9:14 pm
AM
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What I understand is, Sands would do everything that will make Kaplan in fovour.
The one who pay Sands bill, is the one he do all the footwork for, (and with tumbs too
Sands can the name of the game.
December 16th, 2008 at 9:21 pm
Ama. I hope I wasn’t too abrupt. I haven’t ever liked Sands. Call me anti-Sands. But thanks for reminding us about Sand’s wife or rather what he said about her.
He could have saved himself the extra clearings of his throat and said, “All women are crazy. All need to be on drugs. All men have restraining orders, what’s the big deal?”
December 16th, 2008 at 9:21 pm
“Amethyst Mine Says:
December 16th, 2008 at 9:09 pm”
Sands said in the video that he have the kid, and he let the kid be with his mother (visit her?). Think its not a very young kid.
“Of cource, he said. He have to be with her mother, visit her”
I have never heard about any divorce for Kaplan.
I in some way thought he never have been married.
Why, I dont know.
This long-legged girls that Kaplan and also Mitnz showing up for Hollywood tv, I also thought it was a part of the show.
December 16th, 2008 at 9:28 pm
Ama. Yes darling. Kaplan is divorced. His wife was an attorney. I posted this somewhere on this board but not with any emphasis.
I don’t think his wife even practices the law anymore. She moved back 3,000 miles away and is a professor I believe at Harvard or some place.
My notes are somewhere.
I have to scratch my head but it didn’t seem like a marriage that lasted long.
And he WAS a gymnast! I don’t care so much about him being a gymnast but being a team but individual competitor. He was a gymnast in his undergrad and got a monetary scholarship.
He was also a frat rat of a sort. I had nothing useful to do with the information so I gave it away with zero regret.
December 16th, 2008 at 9:29 pm
AM
If I was Sands, would I don’t felt some kind of “used for the dirty work”, and then public thrown away ?… He was brave and said that he had no hard feelings and this work he have done for Kaplan, was not really his “liking”. He was not really in the media????
Was it not that he said?
December 16th, 2008 at 9:30 pm
I am not faulting athletes but there again is another subculture.
December 16th, 2008 at 9:33 pm
Ama. Cool chic can also be someone who was relaxed and cool with things. So I think you got that right.
I talked to a professional earlier today. That treating Britney like a child will produce childlike behavior. Everyone being in the know, like in the car in Mexico? Brit knowing nothing? Not mentally healthful.
I hope the fireworks may be more grand than any “Throw it back!” call at a Cubby game. (chicago cubs Ama)
December 16th, 2008 at 9:36 pm
AM
“Amethyst Mine Says:
December 16th, 2008 at 9:28 pm Ama. Yes darling. Kaplan is divorced. His wife was an attorney. I posted this somewhere on this board but not with any emphasis. ”
I do remeber AM
And I also rember that in the way I saw him now, I could se the former slender young boy, but now as a person who smoke cigar (his lip have get that form) and that he have the little toutch of liking whisky (or brandy) also. It get to the look in a certain point.
But that’s legal stuff.
December 16th, 2008 at 9:39 pm
Ama. I don’t believe anything Sands says. Ever look into his background?
The way he handled his client’s disappearance (murder) was nuts. Google it. Sands, damn, disappearance and then find what the client’s wife said.
She never thanks Sands, ever. Heck just start at Sands’ website — find his brag list.
I said it months ago this is not the first time this guy has been caught in something foul.
And he blatantly says he has had restraining orders against him and what’s the big deal?
In that video you posted and I came across more than once, he seems to be on drugs.
He lied to us about feeling bad about his work for Kaplan. His first press release alone shows how far down he had come from yakking on CNN and other programs as an expert. Kaplan got who he could afford …
So where does Aaron Cohen fit into it if this was the model?
Kaplan got someone who would do the dirty work…
Who supplied Sam with phone numbers?
December 16th, 2008 at 9:42 pm
Think I have to say goodnight here AM.
Almost early morning 17.
Must sleep.
December 16th, 2008 at 9:42 pm
Yes Ama and lol at the lip with the certain form.
He is living the high life. He doesn’t fret about dinner reservations anymore. He affords Elliot Mintz.
But how does that work? Does he embed Elliot’s fees into his own fees and charge Britney Spears? Or does he separate them out at tax time as a “cost of doing business?”
No one has told us yet but I bet he never dated the prom queen but that he had had those aspirations.
December 16th, 2008 at 9:54 pm
Good night Ama.
December 16th, 2008 at 9:55 pm
AM, I dont think he was on drugs.
I think he get a hypomanic now and then, and that is not anything I find peculier.
Have some artis friends (and some nerds too) who get into that state of mind when they get exalted, or inspired. He have not a “usual” personality.
And that I think he have right to be, the only thing he dont have right to do, is harm other people.
But what do yuou mean that he not work for Kaplan? Of course its Kaplan who said to Kevin to hired Sands.
OK. K-Fed paid him, but Sands did not do anything that Kaplan not did affirmed.
Or do you think Sands had free “hands”?
Its a fine line between all this “gentleman” in personality.
What secern them, is discipline and education.
No more.
December 16th, 2008 at 10:06 pm
p.s. Whiskey and cigars are an image of adult men who may afford it, not just legal boys.
Three attorneys in my family. None of them smoke cigars or drink whiskey for show.
One makes homemade ravioli. That’s his thing making Italian food with new spins, apart from Mom. The nerve. He’s the judge.
Another rarely drinks ever. Health clubs and endurance running are his thing. He would never smoke anything without a return, e.g. ganga and that too would be rare. He is the Jewish member of our family and we adore him. I have since I was 11.
The other is gaining weight. He has kids. I’ve never known him to smoke anything. He does like a drink but he’s so stressed out so if he does it, its vacation time.
Kaplan is more calculated and image conscious but that’s Hollywood. He could have had dinner anywhere with Elliot or a slim woman but he didn’t.
But that’s business in Hollywood, not just ego. Attorney work = much socialization these days and hustling for business. Lunches, dinners, etc.
I wonder how grand Kaplan felt though walking in with Paris’s wingman, Elliot. Had he ascended? Dated the prom queen at last to his mind or at least burned her?
Mark Twain is not like that.
December 16th, 2008 at 10:08 pm
Did I make a typo? oc Kaplan hired Sands. I am saying that Sand’s reasons for leaving, are faulty.
Or was he covering for Kaplan firing him?
He got fired.
I do think he was on drugs in the that video. Very unprofessional. What did he have to feel happy about?
December 16th, 2008 at 11:45 pm
10/23/2008 P999 AGREED MOTION FOR EXTENSION OF TIME FOR PLAINTIFFS’ RESPONSE TO DEFENDANTS’ MOT ION FOR LEAVE TO FILE AMENDED AFFIRMATIVE DEFENSES TO THE COMPLAINT AND FOR LEA VE TO FILE A COUNTERCLAIM AND THIRD PARTY COMPLAINT
Read it as you will. Did the Defense file a counterclaim and third party complaint? Apparently so.
12/15/2008 D999 RESPONSE TO PLAINTIFFS’ MOTION TO DISMISS DEFENDANTS’ THIRD PARTY COUNTERCLAIM S (SIC) AND/OR ALTERNATIVELY FOR A MORE DEFINITE STATEMENT
Read it as you will. I read it as Defense went after a third party and wanted time. It’s seems Plaintiff does not want this third party involved.
We didn’t do it they did? You English is as good as mine. How do you read it?
Throughout it seems Plaintiff hungers for the Final Judgment allowed 2/14. So who is hiding what?
December 16th, 2008 at 11:59 pm
Pin it on a third party and what happens? Award for plaintiff is fair and square I might imagine and not a penny more, i.e., Wright pays his attorneys fees, not Britney.
In April they tried to pin it on her by showing her not showing up in L.A. court for cases unrelated to Wright, and by showing her in that little fender bender in the parking lot.
Remember I was asking if they were trying to malign her character?
December 17th, 2008 at 3:52 am
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 16th, 2008 at 4:27 pm
2/1/07
http://www.usatoday.com/life/people/2007-02-01-britney-spears_x.htm
One wonders what happened between the 1st and Valentine’s Day.
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Britney’s aunt died I think.
December 17th, 2008 at 3:52 am
Steel, I have always felt Sam was part of a bigger picture also.
December 17th, 2008 at 4:02 am
Again busy day. Maybe tomorrow it won’t be so busy. Then Christmas and stuff. A lot to do.
December 17th, 2008 at 12:25 pm
Reading, but have a busy day. Christmas shopping, etc.
AM, WEG suit…
It would be helpful to know how Tri-S fits into this. I’m still thinking on that one.
Also…
What was the former structure of WEG? Was Lawrence not a partner at one time? When did he officially leave?
December 17th, 2008 at 12:27 pm
AM, Around the time that the C-Ship began, I remember checking and Lawrence listed himself as being B’s manager on his Web site.
SHE had fired him. The C-Ship appears to have immediately re-hired him.
She had signed fresh contracts with him around December 2007 (?) Then fired him in April 2007 (?) What happens THEN?
December 17th, 2008 at 12:47 pm
ok Time out. why is our site using all these archive photos? Why is Linda or whoever is writing not using current photos? What are they doing with the current photos?
Time In.
December 17th, 2008 at 1:01 pm
There was a hearing yesterday so we should hear something in the next 24 to 48 hours. Then I am on a plane.
Small. Let’s say after Britney’s going out in December, then she agrees or is forced in to temporary joint-custody.
I did not see anything in the month of January in X’s files but I think the tabloids went amok with anything she did and labeled it “partying.”
There was that weekend in NYC when she took her kids with her. She tried out some dancers’ swimsuits and hung out with dancers. There was what looked like a little puke in the car one night. X pooh-poohed this because part of the substance was in a round circle.
Soooo… what could have forced Britney into rehab? In January she hung out with Larry Rudolph, and in Vegas with George Maloof, and was friendly (or was dating) with Isaac Cohen, a model. Paris meanwhile was arrested for driving under a suspended license.
Lindsay was in rehab or something.
That Star magazine article I posted seemed to be the beginning of the media campaign to label Britney as a drug user or alcoholic or whatever. What was the big to-do?
Your honor, it’s in all the papers that she’s been partying. She leaves the kids with the nanny (not what X said — I think X said she was not wearing scandalous clothes and was spending her days with her kids)
“So I have heard..”
Next she’s secretly off to Antigua where it’d be geographically difficult to see her kids in the next 30 days. Did Britney know the true basis or length of time for her trip to Antigua?
Did image outweigh the geographical distance from her kids as a consideration as to where to seek rehab?
Up until then, K-Fed had had to go to her house to spend time with the kids, three times a week, four hours each visit I think, during the day noon ’til 4 p.m.
He was also living in an apartment wasn’t he, while he sued for spousal support and sole custody?
December 17th, 2008 at 1:20 pm
Seems like I remember he got the kids full time while she was in promises but she got them back as soon as she was out. Then more erratic behavior happened after Sam came on the scene and then he tried to get them full time since she “couldn’t” take care of them.
December 17th, 2008 at 1:21 pm
During the erractic behavior is when she was video taped running the red light with them in the car then the judge said she could not drive with them in the car.
December 17th, 2008 at 1:32 pm
gigi Says:
December 17th, 2008 at 1:20 pm
Seems like I remember he got the kids full time while she was in promises but she got them back as soon as she was out. Then more erratic behavior happened after Sam came on the scene and then he tried to get them full time since she “couldn’t” take care of them.
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You have a great way of simplifying things, Gigi!
December 17th, 2008 at 1:34 pm
Question…
Anyone know when Jamie became a “celebrity chef”?
December 17th, 2008 at 2:49 pm
Yep. I don’t think the Geeg has time for details.
SM I did a cursory search on the chef business but moved on or back to the first time she lost custody by what appears to be a private arrangement under threat of making it more permanent.
December 17th, 2008 at 3:12 pm
nope no time for details. too many folks filing for bankruptcy to do anything but jump in and out here.
I do remember her getting them back after she went to promises and kfed had lots of visitation. I think at that point it was 50/50. I’ve always believed that in wanting the kids full time that Kaplan or someone close to him paid Sam to parade her around and other things to make it easier. Druging could have been part of that. With all the erratic behavior all they had to do was show the video and they had their case made especially if Sam drugged her so she could not come to court. As long as it was meds that she was suppose to be on it would not show up. If promises had her on Post-P meds and others then he just upped the dosage it would not show up and it looked like she was drugged, drunk or worse.
December 17th, 2008 at 3:13 pm
Whose to say how much she remembers from that entire year. Other than some of the very videos that we see on line she may not remember any of it or just parts of it.
December 17th, 2008 at 4:05 pm
I don’t believe any confirmed the post-partum rumors started it seems by TMZ.
I wonder that TMZ asked themselves, “If she didn’t test positive for drugs, and she’s not there for alcohol, why is she there?”
I guess we’ll not learn anything more except to disbelieve or not believe so readily images of drug addict and alcoholism.
December 17th, 2008 at 4:13 pm
It’s snowing in Vegas! Yaaay Merry Christmas!
December 17th, 2008 at 4:32 pm
GG — show me a single tape or image or proof of Britney being publicly drunk.
I saw one tape taken around Halloween in the French maid type of outfit — she stumbled slightly in her heels but that was all but the caption still read as “partying.”
She may have been a little lit like when she was with Paris… I don’t know. I would think on the date her mother came over and got the evidence for a RO against Sam, that Britney would have been drinking up. That was a long and topsy turvy day including the fight with Sam.
She won’t take wine from Sam but she does take a sip off of her mother’s glass.
Why did she do things like go swimming in the ocean in her bra and panties with was it Kahlie?
How about just a wildness of youth or liberation or not thinking it through for “someone in her position.” Other kids in their 20s don’t worry about it.
Thank god I have lived a little and tasted the freedom of breaking the rules or from convention apart from the life of everyday decorum. And then not to have to pay for it. It was fun and hurt no one and in short I could get away with it.
I mean what insanity for similarly aged kids (20s) to tie their own shoe laces together and throw their shoes up into trees, or across power lines, or even to nail them to their walls on campus. I wasn’t one of those participants but I loved the free spirit and animation. It was comical and not anything I could really understand as to someone’s original idea but maybe that’s why I loved it.
December 17th, 2008 at 4:33 pm
wow — Merry Christmas MH!
Is it a record for Vegas? How many times has it snowed in the last ten years? I am so happy for you!
Go outside and run crazy eights. lol
December 17th, 2008 at 4:47 pm
Amethyst Mine Says: December 16th, 2008 at 10:06 pm
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..Mark Twain is not like that.”
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??????? Now I dont understand anything, who have talk about Mark Twain?
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“Amethyst Mine Says: December 16th, 2008 at 10:06 pm
p.s. Whiskey and cigars are an image of adult men who may afford it, not just legal boys.
Three attorneys in my family. None of them smoke cigars or drink whiskey for show. ”
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AM , I did not say he did it for show
I said I think its his usual life. He look like that. Also know some persons, lawyer and others in positons of some power. They are for sure not living some “saint” life. They are people as we, with habbits as we also (maybe) have.
The image they have to show up is something else.
The show, as I point it out
, was the long-legged gilrs, and to “happend” to have dinner where Holllywood TV can ask him questions. 
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Amethyst Mine Says:December 16th, 2008 at 11:59 pm
Pin it on a third party and what happens? Award for plaintiff is fair and square I might imagine and not a penny more, i.e., Wright pays his attorneys fees, not Britney.
In April they tried to pin it on her by showing her not showing up in L.A. court for cases unrelated to Wright, and by showing her in that little fender bender in the parking lot.
Remember I was asking if they were trying to malign her character?
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And as I remember from the video, the paparazzi, IN CHORUS, INSURED her, after looking on the car, that it was no harm done on the other car.
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Generally I must say that the paparazzi did the major job to take Britney Spears down.
If you put a gun against my head
I would strongly deny it 
,
but as long as no one does that, I say:
The paprazzi done the major work in taking Britney Spears down.
One can say, that in the same time they make there living, they did free work for Kaplan, Sands, and Kevin Federline.
Also, Sam Lutfi had special connections and treatment from some (ONE?) of the agency´s. That I also strongly believe.
Do remember how the connetions to x site was made ONE time, and I think its typical, (timescedual “after Sam”)
There was a scen in a documentary, where a bodygurad working for for the guy who owns the Ed Hardy mark, lending into a car, show his digital pics from Britney Spears baby birthday party, (he was there with his boss),
The paparazzi from x site said, sitting in his car:
- “Have Navarre (?) Brand (?) seen (heard about them?) them? ”
- Yes, he like it.
- Well then we will make something.
- I have a pic when Britneys sister pee behind a buch, this bodyguard go on saying.
- You have?”
(Mayby becase it was a video going o this bodygurad talk about the pee pics? To this day we have not seen any pic of that.)
Anyway, it show how bodyguards sells pics and that it was no control at all, around Britney.
Then someone stop all this leaks.
And someone get a lot of sh*t because of that
December 17th, 2008 at 4:49 pm
This Britney posing lately and having fun is so much better than looking like Barbie.
Is it possible that Britney’s bitches at BritneySpears.com really are taking more direction from her?
They have an unflattering picture of Ma.
http://www.britneyspears.com/2008/12/exclusive-pics-britneys-27th-birthday-bash.php
Steel. I’ll let you be the one to carry on with the middle finger in Japan. Is Britney getting an iota of more freedom in what is said about her or being able to pose and be done with cameras for the day?
December 17th, 2008 at 5:18 pm
Ama. About MT, as I wrote I just thought about the contrast of someone like MT. He does not need swagger or outer-validation. He’d rather stick his neck out and I appreciate that about him.
About the car thing. Remember we were talking earlier about when Britney made a video tape with the paparazzi, “The world is so nice” etc? That’s the same guy who testified against her in the court case with the jury trial.
I got the impression from R. that that was vile act in his book. To take your cash cow and then betray them?
I do not think paps worked for Sands.
His media contacts are no miracle: it is the business he is in. Did he have spies and a network of favors for favors? Sure.
I was looking at the first week of February 2008. Do I have it correct that both Sands and Kaplan were subpoenaed with regard to fees they wanted Britney to pay ala Kaplan’s bill?
Was Sands released within 24 hours of that subpoena on him? It makes me sick to think that not only did Britney have to pay for K-Fed’s attorney but the very guy who was hired by Kaplan to get dirt on Britney and put dangerous (to her, like dancing on Tony Roma’s lap which she never did) information about Britney into the airwaves.
Correction. Kaplan was seeking $500,000. What did he actually get paid?
December 17th, 2008 at 5:25 pm
Ama, I have not seen the video you are talking about.
Here is a thought though about paps working for Kaplan.
What’s the harm in telling Kaplan/Sands by phone of where Britney is at? Or where the paps are at, in trying to take photos. Give Sands a heads up and he can begin his media rounds. The photos can come later.
This seems somehing of an acceptable practice in more legitimate circumstances, e.g., Jordan and others get a heads up of what is coming later in the night. They get to release early news, “Britney was seen coming home today wearing… ” bla bla but no pics. The pics get bidded out, the agencies make their money, and shortly thereafter we the public get what I think are unsold pics or not the best of the litter.
Kaplan said he couldn’t have gotten the job done without the paps.
p.s. Ama. You don’t need to worry about me and Steel. I tend to go my own direction in following a story. Sometimes that direction is the same as hers but not today nor late yesterday.
December 17th, 2008 at 5:48 pm
“gigi Says:
December 17th, 2008 at 1:21 pm During the erractic behavior is when she was video taped running the red light with them in the car then the judge said she could not drive with them in the car.”
A video when Britney was turning round (?) and driving on the red light, was when one women from this family supervisions team was in the car with her, and the kids.
There was so many paparazzi in cars around them, that the women get hysteric and shout “Drive! Drive! Drive! and Britney did.
Then Britney get the blame!
December 17th, 2008 at 5:53 pm
To AM
http://svt.se/svt/play/video.jsp?a=1315934
Paparazzi
Steel have seen it
December 17th, 2008 at 5:54 pm
Is the woman screaming Drive Drive Drive caught on tape?
How would anyone know what was said in the car otherwise?
by the by, when I wrote “what’s the harm” in the paps giving a preview to Sands etc. — I was being sarcastic but the idea is plausible. Why not get a little extra money that X or other employers would never know about?
December 17th, 2008 at 6:00 pm
http://svt.se/svt/play/video.jsp?a=1315552
More twist
This to
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The first at 5:53 am, look in the video about 10 min in, after that in almost all in english..
December 17th, 2008 at 6:04 pm
“Amethyst Mine Says:
December 17th, 2008 at 5:54 pm”
Yes, the window was done a bit, so one could hear it.¨
I prtest against what the gossip site put together later, and what the papers was write later this day/night, put I´m a “nobody” so nobody lissen..
December 17th, 2008 at 6:14 pm
AM I’m sure there are some out there from her party days not to long after spliting from Kfed but so what. Just because she was drinking doesnt mean anything. Who hasn’t. The difference is it was used against her with the press showing what she was doing. She is not treated fairly. Everyone knows Kfed parties but no one films it and uses it against him. Thats just wrong.
December 17th, 2008 at 6:22 pm
“gigi Says:
December 17th, 2008 at 12:47 pm ok Time out. why is our site using all these archive photos? Why is Linda or whoever is writing not using current photos? What are they doing with the current photos?
Time In.”
I have also have thougt about what going on.
Some changes? Major changes?
There are hard times nowedays.
We hang one, and we will know.
December 17th, 2008 at 6:22 pm
Ama I think that is the time I was thinking of. Even if the other lady was in the car it was used against her to say she could not drive with the kids in the car because she is unsafe driving. They used so many different videos that are seen online. They need to give her the freedom that she deserves and also give her back her boys at least 50/50.
December 17th, 2008 at 6:24 pm
well I dont like the old photos at all. If the guys are working like normal they should have new photos unless they are selling them all. R is not on here like he was so I think he is in the field with the others working. I did see where Uli was wondering when a new Pap101 was going to come out. To me that means they have filmed one and are now waiting on R to put it online.
December 17th, 2008 at 6:29 pm
lol oh wait that was on this thread just a week ago
December 17th, 2008 at 6:31 pm
Ama. A somber thank you.
To that video I put up this:
“And so here it is, one last time. Adnan Ghalib has never worked for JFX Images or JFX Online. He’s a good friend of all us here at JFX. We celebrate birthdays and special events together and we consider him a good friend. We would never turn our friend over for money or favors.
JFX Online”
They are not all like that.
December 17th, 2008 at 6:44 pm
GG writes @6:14: “Everyone knows Kfed parties but no one films it and uses it against him. Thats just wrong.”
I don’t think that is quite accurate. When Brit was married they filmed him all the time, shopping, partying, and staying at that apartment …
In the past year he has laid low but if you read the Star link that I posted (hard copy due out December 22nd) the moment he stepped out, the moment the presses began to roll again.
What bothers me is that she was portrayed inaccurately. I had never seen the footage that Ama offered in her first link today.
Is it Alli speaking? “You got your shots. Please don’t. Oh God please don’t.” and then “Fuck you” and fuck off. (sorry Ronnie)
What human can not feel compassion? Apparently plenty. The story that made the airwaves what that Britney was crazy, lost it, or whatever.
No one took the time or investigated and published, “Hey. Give the girl a break. Her husband had possession of her children. Britney was diverted to Antigua. She had just come back from LAX.”
JFX wasn’t online yet or I would go back and see how they handled it.
Ama. I like your stance, “We hang one, and we will know.” There are alot of things we don’t know about and we don’t need to. Linda is doing fine. I asked R about an article about Cameron Dian. I had a complaint but R let me know that what Linda had said about Cameron was true and it was known.
We can have fun with whatever is going on or turn. I’m going the distance with this crew right up until they come out here and film “Arizona.” lol
Let’s have fun guys. I got enough worries and so do you. Half the reason I am on here is to escape them.
December 17th, 2008 at 6:55 pm
They did film him all the time when they were married. I have not seen them filming him during the child custody phase unless it is good behavior. Most of that time he had Kaplan with him. I do not believe for that entire year he was not partying. I also do not think that there were not women present. It just was not shown if my belief. Somehow they built him up to be the world best father and it worked. While doing that they broke her down.
December 17th, 2008 at 7:05 pm
Query to Steel: In high school or in college were you part of the newspaper? If so, what section?
I was the high school’s feature editor meaning I wrote and had charge of human interest stories. My teacher chose me to do it.
My biggest high was unfolding the story of a local orphanage of which two classmates were members. They never even liked me, but I don’t know that they disliked me.
When I wrote the story and made their homelife into what it was — not a stigma but a home and a home for kids from difficult lives — they thanked me.
I soared. I never expected that. If I fine comb through periods that may seem irrelevant or boring, that’s why. Those kids couldn’t tell that story. All they did was act up in school.
If I ignore WEG from time to time there is a reason or if I act defensive and protective there is a reason. It’s the way I am made.
December 17th, 2008 at 8:09 pm
Gigi they did film what looked like a hoochy mama and her friend (male) coming on to the premises.
Kaplan was there.
I wouldn’t want to imply the paps were in on not filming K-Fed. That’s silly.
If they could get him on film they got him, but they could probably make more money elsewhere. They caught him pumping gas, big deal. They caught him going out once with his hoodie pulled over his head.
Who knows. Now TMZ is showing him kissing a girl. Well it “looked” like him, and it did seem they were kissing but who knows.
December 17th, 2008 at 8:48 pm
http://svt.se/svt/play/video.jsp?a=1315934
AM
Did you look after 19:14 also?
December 17th, 2008 at 8:59 pm
http://www.popcrunch.com/kevin-federline-britney-spears-moving-in-together/
OMG…
We have read this before, so I hope this is as untrue as before.. *screams*
One get headache, dont one…
December 17th, 2008 at 9:37 pm
Ama. No need for a headache. I’m calling bullshit and I hope you do too.
Thanks for the links. Is this a weekly program where you live?
I have not yet finished viewing the first link you posted, and I want to see it.
December 17th, 2008 at 9:46 pm
It seems on that program they put up the cream of the cream.
The film may be out there but I have not seen our guys behave in this manner. I had hoped they lived to a higher standard. I still think that.
It’s like chasing down and cornering an animal.
Do you remember the tape, Ama, where they had Britney cornered? They didn’t offer her anything or a manner in which to escape. They had her trapped. “Won’t please someone give me their hand?”
There was no bargaining. Those boys crossed the line, big time, like they had a right.
December 18th, 2008 at 12:37 am
Ama. The version you pointed me to and the one on X17 are different. X17 seems to be missing a second and the audio is less clear. This makes it sound like Alli is saying, “Please don’t God please” etc. instead of the following of what I got from STV.
“You got your shots up please guys. Don’t guys please please guys don’t do this. “ Alli.
loud slam – something breaking?
“Ohmy God,” alarm. Alli.
“Fuck you.” Britney?
Black as camera swirls lights black no focus.
Unintelligible Tape shows frames of Britney hitting the car. Sounds of scuffle.
“Go fuck yourself.”
Alli gets back in car as Brit says over her shoulder, “Go fuck yourself!” then runs to car where Alli is already inside. A guy in a white t-shirt still photographs from Britney’s side of the car.
“Hey you’re going to get in trouble for that,” male anon says in the distance and not to the photog. Sounds black.
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http://x17online.com/celebrities/2007/02/index.php?page=5
Page down to 2/22
Our friend is at 2/21 22:57 @ 1:26
December 18th, 2008 at 12:50 am
*Notes to Self*
What the heezy am I doing wrong with my life that I can’t spend time here anymore?
Not only am I lost in this 350+ thread, I don’t have time to read it all.
How dare I live my life outside of this thread! We’ve got an investigation to solve! A mystery to unfold! Walls to throw people on!
I must re-adjust my life. This is not acceptable!
These threads must once again become priority!
It is a must! An absolute MUST!
December 18th, 2008 at 4:44 am
Tomorrow, tomorrow…
In the meantime, “Unusual You” is my favorite song on Circus. “Mannequin” also.
December 18th, 2008 at 4:45 am
Oh and “Lace and Leather” too.
December 18th, 2008 at 10:39 am
lol @ doc. Yes I have the same feelings. I must make it priority. I miss so much then it takes forever to catch up.
I don’t think the paps did not film Kfed on purpose. I think they either just didn’t see him that much or the people came to his house. He seemed really good at hiding. But I also don’t think he quit doing all the things that he had been doing either. I just think he hid so no one could catch him. Kaplan schooled him really well. The paps had much bigger fish to fry than Kfed. He is small change so why door step him. He is not that interesting.
I love the entire CD.
December 18th, 2008 at 11:32 am
lol @ Walls
December 18th, 2008 at 11:39 am
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 17th, 2008 at 7:05 pm
Query to Steel: In high school or in college were you part of the newspaper? If so, what section?
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No, no newspaper…
High School:
Fundraising Minister
Publicity Minister
Morning Announcement Girl
University & College:
Marketing Dept. (Graphic Design)
Class Web site
Pres. of Alumni Assoc. Chapter for TV & Film
December 18th, 2008 at 11:43 am
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 17th, 2008 at 4:49 pm
Steel. I’ll let you be the one to carry on with the middle finger in Japan. Is Britney getting an iota of more freedom in what is said about her or being able to pose and be done with cameras for the day?
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I don’t know…I thought maybe she was just getting bolder in what she thought she could get away with. LOL
December 18th, 2008 at 11:45 am
Amapola Says:
December 17th, 2008 at 4:47 pm
The paprazzi done the major work in taking Britney Spears down.
One can say, that in the same time they make there living, they did free work for Kaplan, Sands, and Kevin Federline.
Also, Sam Lutfi had special connections and treatment from some (ONE?) of the agency´s. That I also strongly believe.
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I agree with this.
I believe the paparazzi have been used as a tool by people with an agenda.
December 18th, 2008 at 11:48 am
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 17th, 2008 at 2:49 pm
SM I did a cursory search on the chef business but moved on or back to the first time she lost custody by what appears to be a private arrangement under threat of making it more permanent.
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JS works for the Maloofs. It might be interesting to take a closer look at that relationship.
December 18th, 2008 at 11:49 am
P.S. Kill the Lights and Phonography are my favourites.
December 18th, 2008 at 12:00 pm
P.S.S.
I *love* them.
http://www.breatheheavy.com/index.php?subaction=showfull&id=1229563479&archive=&start_from=&ucat=&
December 18th, 2008 at 12:38 pm
LOL Steel @ the resume. I thought you’d quip back, “The Business & Finance pages of course.”
December 18th, 2008 at 1:04 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 18th, 2008 at 12:38 pm
LOL Steel @ the resume. I thought you’d quip back, “The Business & Finance pages of course.”
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Business & Finance?!
Heck, I’m MUCH cooler than that! LOL
I was the girl that came on the P.A. every morning in high school and told everyone to stand for the national anthem.
…I even got to push the “play” button on the cassette player.
December 18th, 2008 at 1:14 pm
LOL Steel. I did enjoy the visual of Morning Announcement Girl. Now I’ve got a cassette player image.
I peeked at JS and Maloof. I think that was a reprint by X17 of a Daily Mail or Mirror article.
I don’t think he was employed by them.
Nothing new in Orange Co. today. It’ll be interesting to see which way the judge goes on the second request to compel complete answers to the first set of interrogatories.
December 18th, 2008 at 1:22 pm
http://podcasts.theatlantic.com/2008/04/the-britney-show.php
December 18th, 2008 at 1:24 pm
The boys of X. LOL
http://www.emelec.tv/blog/tag/Francois_Navarre
December 18th, 2008 at 2:05 pm
You are a gem, MH! Coolest link ggrrrl ever.
December 18th, 2008 at 2:38 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 18th, 2008 at 1:14 pm
I peeked at JS and Maloof. I think that was a reprint by X17 of a Daily Mail or Mirror article.
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http://www.breatheheavy.com/archives.php?subaction=showfull&id=1138564135&archive=1139521831&start_from=&ucat=&
December 18th, 2008 at 3:01 pm
Interesting SM.
btw, Navarre says Sam was Brit’s BFF for a about a year… I wonder when he called her to tell her about why Britney shaved her head.
Also in the archives, unrelated to MH’s links, X reported they heard it was Britney’s mother who got Britney to go to Antigua.
thx again MH for the link — it’s insightful to understanding how things work.
December 18th, 2008 at 3:31 pm
SM. Just kicking around an idea. Why doesn’t Team Spears just look at BTI gross receipts and pay them?
It seems like there has been a strong movement to liquidate assets, unnecessary costs, and fill the coffers. What could have happened during Sam’s realm to cause such a demand for money?
Or is the lure/greed of damages from Plaintiff’s side, what prevents the parties from agreeing to a settlement?
On Feb 14, the Final Judgments (x2 BTI, and Britney Spears separate) were for “…Count I (Breach of Contract) and Count II (Accounting); and Final Judgment as to damages shall be enterred in an amount to be determined upon notice of hearing before this Court.”
Who is resisting who as to a presumably least expensive option to settling out of court?
December 18th, 2008 at 3:46 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 18th, 2008 at 3:31 pm
Just kicking around an idea. Why doesn’t Team Spears just look at BTI gross receipts and pay them?
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The million dollar question.
Maybe…
1/ There’s not enough money in the cookie jar to pay. Hence, the “Circus” tour?
2/ Section 41?
3/ Other?
December 18th, 2008 at 3:48 pm
“Steel_Magnolia Says:
December 18th, 2008 at 11:49 am P.S. Kill the Lights and Phonography are my favourites.”
Kill the Lights is also my favourite
Feel like I put my fingers into the electrical contact, and get lots of extra force
Phonography is not on my CD
My bonus track is Radar.
December 18th, 2008 at 4:02 pm
Amapola Says:
December 18th, 2008 at 3:48 pm
Phonography is not on my CD
My bonus track is Radar.
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Radar was my favourite off of Blackout…It’s strange to be getting it as a “bonus” on this album!
I also love the sound of “Trouble,” but can’t buy it here in my region.
December 18th, 2008 at 4:52 pm
Last night Ian hosted a chat w/ a lady from Page Six. Question: Thoughts on Adnan and Kevin? Answer: Adnan-Parasite, Kevin-Uneducated.
Below is from The Atlantic articles. (X17 owner aka Regis)
March 13, 2008 Interview
Regis: “It’s not the dream of the paparazzi to father a child with a star. I think on the contrary, that most paparazzi are shy guys and don’t have self-confidence. Adnan Ghalib came by accident to the business. He met a girl in the post-office three years ago and did what he did with Britney. He flirted with her, and met the dad of the girl, and became friends with the dad, and helped him to fix the house. And the dad considered him as his son. And it happened that guy was part of the paparazzi. He told Adnan, ‘I see you, you are struggling, why don’t you get a camera, and I will introduce you to some of my friends at the Fame agency.’ And the first one he was covering was Britney Spears. And he started to go after Britney right away. Trying to talk to her and so on and so on.
“Adnan has a big ego and big self-confidence. But the dream of the paparazzi is to hit the jackpot with one great shot and that’s it.”
April 2008 from Shooting Britney article
America’s sweetheart had dramatically and publicly un-edited herself, removing the customary trappings and protections of celebrity to reveal the damaged psyche of a fractured person who was no longer able or willing to regulate her public behavior.
December 18th, 2008 at 5:11 pm
Thx MH.
I had asked a question two weeks back about Alli not being in US anymore but instead showing up in In-Touch.
I think it was the In-Touch guy or the National Enquirer guest who said, “I didn’t realize they didn’t want to work with her anymore.”
December 18th, 2008 at 5:16 pm
MH Says:
December 18th, 2008 at 4:52 pm
Last night Ian hosted a chat w/ a lady from Page Six. Question: Thoughts on Adnan and Kevin? Answer: Adnan-Parasite, Kevin-Uneducated.”
MH
STAR=Murdoch=SH*T
“Below is from The Atlantic articles. (X17 owner aka Regis)
March 13, 2008 Interview”
Yes an old article who we, at least I, have seen many times here.
People who don’t know Adnan or Britney personally don’t know anything about what they feel this time when they have contact.
“Regis” was and are, as all other site owner, who not succeeded to get Adnan to talk, furioso on him, so I dont trust any of their opinons.
I must say, I wonder, how come that you all the time have work so hard to giving Adnan bad reputation, and the whole time kneel down infront of Kevin Federlines name?
December 18th, 2008 at 5:17 pm
About Adnan talking to Britney or any other celeb, that’s their job or their way of getting information without a publicist, signing papers etc. bla bla
The link you posted earlier today educated me on more of that world.
Big deal. He talked to her. I thought I would throw up with X17 talking to her, during the day of events leading up to Britney and the umbrella.
Every time the car stopped he was at her window, “Are you OK?! Your fans want to know.” ad nauseum
Adnan was darling in the clips I have seen. Charming, without intrusion or especially a lack of respect.
“Lindsay, over the shoulder and we’ll let you go,” in link provided by Ama with Lindsay cornered and cross at an elevator. She indicated she would have been nicer if they had been more respectful.
December 18th, 2008 at 5:21 pm
We must remeber that all the worst gossip papers round the world, are running by the Murdoch imperium, and that have not been any good for the truth.
One can say, that IF there was any truth
before Murdoch, it died when he start his imperium 
December 18th, 2008 at 5:23 pm
Page Six = Murdoch too
December 18th, 2008 at 5:31 pm
Ama, you seemed a litle sleepy lately, so I thought I’d wake you up a bit LOL.
December 18th, 2008 at 5:33 pm
AM and Steel_
Could it be so, that Britney Spears herself, want some part of her life to be private?
That she NOT would be amused if her private life never are left alone?
That every little details, as little it could be, are PRIVATE , and not for everybody to scrabbling into?
I would for sure be frustrated of that people think they OWN my life, and feel like they MUST have insight in EVERY part of my life.
December 18th, 2008 at 5:34 pm
Ama. I don’t know about this Murdoch guy but when Adnan chose to speak, he did it through Star Magazine.
Remember what I said in another thread that the big news this month is NO news — that g.d. cyclical “news” story. I’m so glad it is gone.
I still think Ryan Seacrest is a pill but his airways also afforded an airwave for our friend.
PageSix is what is it = not a friend to our friend.
December 18th, 2008 at 5:37 pm
Murdoch is not any “guy”
Read about him. Fox=Murdoch for example.
About papers over the world.
There are almost nothing who is “Murdoch free”
December 18th, 2008 at 5:38 pm
>>>I must say, I wonder, how come that you all the time have work so hard to giving Adnan bad reputation, and the whole time kneel down infront of Kevin Federlines name?
“all the time” “whole time”
If you go back in history, you’ll see that that is so not true. That wasn’t an invite to bring up old posts, which we know you’re good at, it’s just meant as a comment.
December 18th, 2008 at 5:39 pm
Amapola Says:
December 18th, 2008 at 5:33 pm
AM and Steel_
Could it be so, that Britney Spears herself, want some part of her life to be private?
That she NOT would be amused if her private life never are left alone?
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I think there’s been much worse invasions of her privacy than us copying and pasting pre-existing links, and doing so on a hidden thread.
But that’s just my opinion. Others may see it differently.
December 18th, 2008 at 5:40 pm
Ryan Seacrest will eat Perez for lunch, and I think Perez knows it
That dont say I like RS, and belive in his “boy” look.
December 18th, 2008 at 5:40 pm
GO KEVIN!!!!
LMAO……
December 18th, 2008 at 5:41 pm
Oh I’m being silly today.
I’ll go back under my rock.
Have a good day, ladies!
December 18th, 2008 at 5:42 pm
MH
Yeh, and I comment on your comment, and you re-comment on that!
December 18th, 2008 at 5:43 pm
im still waiting for someone to make the connection between Mr. Ghalib’s interviewer after the Quizno rescue and the interviewer “voice” of ‘For the Record’
December 18th, 2008 at 5:44 pm
Hugs and Wet Kisses to Ama!
Bye, Girls!
December 18th, 2008 at 5:45 pm
Oh doc…
I never thougt I would see you again
December 18th, 2008 at 5:47 pm
Thanks MH. Did it turn to slush in Vegas?
I was going to ask what did you think about what the lady from PageSix said.
Oh Doc — so nice to have your sarcasm. lol
December 18th, 2008 at 5:49 pm
Now i shall see The Mercent of Venice, again..
See you tomorrow.
December 18th, 2008 at 5:49 pm
which may be impossible because it was a vid from 2007
anyone have it?
December 18th, 2008 at 5:51 pm
Ama. We have a difference in what has already been published and misconstrued and setting the record straight.
We have been told a story that is not as true as it might have been told.
What do you want me or anyone to believe? That Britney is CRAZY, that she was a drug addict and an alcoholic, that she was nuts for hitting the car with an umbrella?
That’s the story that’s been told with the last impression being in the media now that she was locked up twice (proving her insanity! Right???)
btb, I am beginning to view you as a trouble maker when you get bored or can’t hang with the conversation.
December 18th, 2008 at 5:51 pm
i told u ladies im turning my life around – life is not worth living outside of jfx – what? u thought i was kidding?
i’m making a timeline now
December 18th, 2008 at 5:52 pm
I wonder that one of the initial attractions of Sam as a BFF was that he could get to the media and tell a story from Britney’s side, that wouldn’t be miscontrued. That’s what Navarre said.
But then Sam took over the media.
December 18th, 2008 at 5:56 pm
# doc1955 Says:
December 18th, 2008 at 5:49 pm
which may be impossible because it was a vid from 2007
anyone have it?
>>>>>
lol. Not enough to run downstairs but enough to have me full tilt forward w/a tear in the corner of my eye. lol Got the shallow laughs here doc. Thank you. Ow my mouth hurts.
December 18th, 2008 at 6:01 pm
pola bear’s comment recap within a post has worn off on u AM (=
December 18th, 2008 at 6:05 pm
why in the hell are we on a HP thread?
December 18th, 2008 at 6:09 pm
AM Sam wasn’t slangin’ Skittles
are u serious with wondering what an initial attraction was?
December 18th, 2008 at 6:25 pm
“Amethyst Mine Says:
December 18th, 2008 at 5:51 pm”
I think Britney have been totaly destroyd by everything who have happend in her life the last years.
She have had some kind of nervous breakdown, and a collapse of her whole system, physically and mental.
She have work since she was a very very young girl, and sadly, after she having this lovely kids, who she love so much, she find that her “love for life” was a womanizer.
She have nothing to hold her up.
She, as a normal human being, break down.
I have never belived she have any drug PROMLEMS.
And frankly, I find people who belive so, having HUGE problems with their own perception of reality.
Furthermore, I think this people have no life experience, have brains who are suited only for work on gossip papers, but should not be carry burdens of any importen matters.
Now you know how I think
December 18th, 2008 at 6:26 pm
ah man im bored
ok i just read the first 100 or so posts ; shouldve done that last night but now, as i type with one hand (this sleepy 20+ lb.) i see Twain already hit my point
alas,
ill be back
late
and just for S & G’s
rip FP
December 18th, 2008 at 6:28 pm
doc
attraction and Sam in the same meaning?
December 18th, 2008 at 6:33 pm
doc1955 Says:
December 18th, 2008 at 5:43 pm
im still waiting for someone to make the connection between Mr. Ghalib’s interviewer after the Quizno rescue and the interviewer “voice” of ‘For the Record’
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doc–I’ve been trying to figure out who the interviewer “voice” in For the Record was? I thought I had asked that question before, but maybe I forgot to ask.
December 18th, 2008 at 6:34 pm
Ama. The language failed you in my post. Sarcasm doesn’t seem to translate with you.
I forgive.
December 18th, 2008 at 6:35 pm
I completely agree with u Pola bear! B on drugs! Gasp! NO WAY!! And I for one KNOW I have a HUGEEEE I mean HUGGGGGGGGGGGEEEE perception of reality. I mean, my perception of reality is so damn big..I mean it IS B.I.G. You can’t get a perception of reality bigger than mine! It’s the biggest, my perception of reality, that is.
(turning head and whispering to the room with hand over mouth)
Psssst….What is a perception of reality? Anyone got one? Hurry! Give it to me…!!!
(turning back to Pola Bear)
yea so..like I was saying,,, my BIG ol’ perception of reality…man it’s so big…and…
December 18th, 2008 at 6:37 pm
doc1955 Says:
December 18th, 2008 at 6:05 pm
why in the hell are we on a HP thread?
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I suggested a “Heroes” thread because of Britney having so many “heroes” around her who saved her. *insert sarcasm* if you feel it is appropriate
December 18th, 2008 at 6:40 pm
i’d rather insert my huge perception of reality.
December 18th, 2008 at 6:42 pm
A few posts back, about Jamie Spears working with/for the Maloofs. He appeared on Dr 90210 a few yrs ago as the personal chef of the Maloof’s sister, who was one of the doctors shown on Dr 90210 at the time. I think he was still employed by them until he became conservator and is being paid to be Britney’s father, oh, I mean to take care of her.
*sarcasm of course*
December 18th, 2008 at 6:42 pm
What was the original attraction doc?
I’m not sure why we are on the HP thread. Not everyone will see us I guess but those who insist will find us anyway.
Thx for the laugh. I love parody.
December 18th, 2008 at 6:43 pm
Be back much later, when you all are in bed
December 18th, 2008 at 7:42 pm
lol @ Skittles
December 18th, 2008 at 8:17 pm
Gossip Media Desperation…
They are in need (the gossip media), and now they try so hard to find anything to sell, or maybe provoce someone to bite ..
Kevin Federline and Britney Spears back together again…
IF anyone belived that, then they need a doc
This Madden guy and Britney, and Jamie Spears have arranged it???
OMG
Do people really belive in such “truths”
**************
Play doc, play..Its your world, not mine.
December 18th, 2008 at 9:21 pm
MH. Isn’t PageSix a has been, no longer hiring?
December 18th, 2008 at 10:00 pm
AM
)
Here you find Page Six
http://www.nypost.com/
(Murdoch
December 18th, 2008 at 10:17 pm
Thx. Ama. Did you reread things I posted that you reacted to, but this time understanding the sarcasm? If so you know where I stand.
December 18th, 2008 at 10:19 pm
Rupert?
December 18th, 2008 at 10:19 pm
Ah but the brand name of PageSix is gone.
December 18th, 2008 at 10:27 pm
Steel?
http://www.tmz.com/2008/02/29/landlord-to-brit-pay-your-rent-bitch
more coming
December 18th, 2008 at 10:28 pm
Loveshack wasn’t there before but it’s been there since…
Date Party Type Amount Description
3/28/2008 LOVESHACK TRUST Assessment $7.00 COPIES – CIRCUIT CIVIL
3/28/2008 LOVESHACK TRUST Payment $5.50 PAYMENT
3/28/2008 LOVESHACK TRUST Payment $1.50 PAYMENT
10/28/2008 LOVESHACK TRUST Assessment $25.00 COPIES – CIRCUIT CIVIL
10/28/2008 LOVESHACK TRUST Payment $25.00 PAYMENT
3/28/2008 WRIGHT ENTERTAINMENT GROUP LLC Assessment $7.00 COPIES – CIRCUIT CIVIL
3/28/2008 WRIGHT ENTERTAINMENT GROUP LLC Payment $5.50 PAYMENT
3/28/2008 WRIGHT ENTERTAINMENT GROUP LLC Payment $1.50 PAYMENT
10/28/2008 WRIGHT ENTERTAINMENT GROUP LLC Assessment $25.00 COPIES – CIRCUIT CIVIL
10/28/2008 WRIGHT ENTERTAINMENT GROUP LLC Payment $25.00 PAYMENT
December 18th, 2008 at 10:28 pm
12/16/2008 FIRST AMENDED COMPLAINT
12/16/2008 AMENDED CASE MANAGEMENT ORDER
12/16/2008 ORDER GRANTING AGREED MOTION FOR LEAVE TO FILE PLTF’S FIRST AMENDED COMPLAINT
December 18th, 2008 at 10:39 pm
Steel. I don’t want to go to Elvis to prove that I posted those same legal fees for copies etc. before but last time those dates had Britney Spears or BTI?
December 18th, 2008 at 10:40 pm
Total Amount Due: $0.00
Date Party Type Amount Description
10/29/2007 WRIGHT ENTERTAINMENT GROUP LLC Assessment $255.00 FILING FEE – $141.75
10/29/2007 WRIGHT ENTERTAINMENT GROUP LLC Payment $255.00 PAYMENT
10/29/2007 BRITNEY SPEARS Assessment $255.00 FILING FEE – $141.75
10/29/2007 BRITNEY SPEARS Payment $255.00 PAYMENT
11/2/2007 WRIGHT ENTERTAINMENT GROUP LLC Assessment $25.00 COPIES
11/2/2007 WRIGHT ENTERTAINMENT GROUP LLC Payment $25.00 PAYMENT
11/2/2007 BRITNEY SPEARS Assessment $25.00 COPIES
11/2/2007 BRITNEY SPEARS Payment $25.00 PAYMENT
11/29/2007 WRIGHT ENTERTAINMENT GROUP LLC Assessment $25.00 COPIES
11/29/2007 WRIGHT ENTERTAINMENT GROUP LLC Payment $25.00 PAYMENT
11/29/2007 BRITNEY SPEARS Assessment $25.00 COPIES
11/29/2007 BRITNEY SPEARS Payment $25.00 PAYMENT
December 18th, 2008 at 11:22 pm
lord jesus
December 18th, 2008 at 11:30 pm
Have a Petron.
December 18th, 2008 at 11:45 pm
12/18/2008 AMENDED CASE MANAGEMENT ORDER
12/18/2008 ORDER GRANTING AGREED MOTION FOR LEAVE TO FILE PLAINTIFF’S FIRST AMENDED COMPL AINT
12/18/2008 ORDER GRANTING PLAINTIFFS’ SECOND MOTION TO COMPEL COMPLETE ANSWERS TO PLAINTI FFS’ FIRST SET OF INTERROGATORIES AND FIRST REQUEST TO PRODUCE
December 18th, 2008 at 11:53 pm
I’m done Doc. Pass the Patron.
“I bought a Ferrari today.”
“Really doll? How’d you pay for it?”
Loveshack babe — that Amex thing wasn’t workin’
December 19th, 2008 at 12:11 am
Just because I feel so good
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7_U-zj2gfE
December 19th, 2008 at 1:28 am
Angry Pap
http://blip.tv/file/203143/
December 19th, 2008 at 1:28 am
Idiot Paparazzi
http://blip.tv/file/1324980/
December 19th, 2008 at 1:33 am
More Idiot Paparazzi
http://blip.tv/file/1478310/
December 19th, 2008 at 1:35 am
I posted some vids…awaiting mod. Probably have to scroll up when they’re approved.
December 19th, 2008 at 1:40 am
I’m off to LA for the holidays.
Merry Chritmas!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Fe11OlMiz8
December 19th, 2008 at 1:44 am
Wow, that was a quick approval, someones working late.
Why are the links being moderated?
I’ve never had a youtube link on mod.
December 19th, 2008 at 1:52 am
lol you two! Good night.
Happy holidays MH. Enjoy L.A.
I am off to Springfield, IL brrrrrrr.
December 19th, 2008 at 10:43 am
Ronnie why are the videos leaving for good??
December 19th, 2008 at 11:38 am
Great links, MH!
December 19th, 2008 at 12:02 pm
well well a little bird told me that our friend has his beard back. It looks nice. Hope things are going well for him.
December 19th, 2008 at 12:05 pm
I’ve yet to even meet our “friend.” I think he should make another appearance so I can say “Hello.”
December 19th, 2008 at 12:09 pm
I hope he pops in to say hello to us for Christmas. That would be the best present for all of us TA
December 19th, 2008 at 12:21 pm
Half of us won’t be here G.
December 19th, 2008 at 12:23 pm
I don’t know…I just bought myself a new 24″ widescreen monitor for Christmas. It’s pretty damn awesome!
But an “Hello” would be pretty cool, too! LOL
December 19th, 2008 at 12:36 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 18th, 2008 at 10:27
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Good find, AM.
When was the Loveshack purchased? And better yet, who lived in it??
If I have time today, I might look into that. I’m in the midst of a renovation/move, so I’m a little all-over-the-place right now…
December 19th, 2008 at 12:36 pm
I know that wiley GG. Last time she had our friend all to herself.
December 19th, 2008 at 12:37 pm
maybe he could do it before Christmas or after Christmas. I would still like for him to pop in at some point. Anytime would be great.
December 19th, 2008 at 12:48 pm
Steel. It’s Loveshack Trust. If you look at the TMZ link you’ll see a reference to the purchase of the Malibu house or was it a lease.. Earlier media says they bought that house.
I don’t know how LT could be the 3rd party if it’s still BS’s.
December 19th, 2008 at 12:57 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 12:48 pm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I made the connection.
The “Loveshack” and the third party stuff may be two different things.
I wonder if it’s the house referred to in these stories (see end):
http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/entertainment/britney-told-cops-im-fing-hot_10012570.html
December 19th, 2008 at 12:58 pm
Page down below the pics
http://www.bergproperties.com/blog/britney-spears-re-lists-her-7453-square-foot-house-in-the-beverly-hills-ca-postal-region-for-79m/
December 19th, 2008 at 12:59 pm
Awaiting moderation…
A re-paste:
I made the connection.
The “Loveshack” and the third party stuff may be two different things.
I wonder if it’s the house referred to in these reports:
“(Lutfi) reportedly told police Britney had been extremely unstable and recently bought a house in Malibu on a whim, started moving furniture in and then changed her mind.”
December 19th, 2008 at 1:02 pm
I am awaiting moderation too… Steel — I found at least one date connected to Howard Grossman.
Google 3200 Retreat Court Malibu Love Shack etc.
December 19th, 2008 at 1:27 pm
Steel. It’s not a house but a Trust Fund of which Howard was once the Trustee.
December 19th, 2008 at 1:31 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 1:27 pm
It’s not a house but a Trust Fund of which Howard was once the Trustee.
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I assumed the trust fund was created to make payments on the house.
December 19th, 2008 at 1:32 pm
P.S. That’s why I was asking who lived in the house…
December 19th, 2008 at 1:35 pm
Love Shack Trust also purchased the house at the Summit, so perhaps it’s the company she uses to purchase real estate?
December 19th, 2008 at 1:37 pm
Just thinking…
Yes, Grossman would be a trustee because he was her business manager? So it would be part of his job?
However, it looks like payments were being missed on the Malibu property (at least). Who knows if payments were being missed on other properties, too.
December 19th, 2008 at 1:47 pm
Hello Lynne. We didn’t see this one before on the SBJ Trust Fund – established I think December 4, 2004.
http://www.aolcdn.com/tmz_documents/0214_brian_spears_wm.pdf
Stacy Smith was involved in both Love Shack (see purchase of 3200 Retreat Court September 29, 2004) and SBJ. Howard was signed in before the sell of the house Aug 31, 2007.
December 19th, 2008 at 1:51 pm
Steel. I am in moderation again. I am posting my note without the link.
Hello Lynne. We didn’t see this one before on the SBJ Trust Fund – established I think December 4, 2004.
Stacy Smith was involved in both Love Shack (see purchase of 3200 Retreat Court September 29, 2004) and SBJ. Howard was signed in before the sell of the house Aug 31, 2007.
The court documents provided by TMZ detail the heck of what a trust fund is (for those of us in other income brackets) and what the responsibility of the trustee(s) are.
The trust is liquid assets. Ivan Taback and Bryan needed access to SBJ to pay the bills.
December 19th, 2008 at 1:53 pm
Steel. Lynne was a co-trustee of SBJ Trust in 2004 — she was not authorized to make decisions or spend money without a co-trustee or second party.
December 19th, 2008 at 2:00 pm
Well, at the very least, we know Howie was in that role prior to Aug. 31.
December 19th, 2008 at 2:04 pm
Steel. I don’t get it. If she sold the Malibu property then how could she be late in payments.
Howard was supposed to be paying all bills as the trustee.
The job title of business manager is a little misleading.
3200 Retreat Court, Unincorporated Los Angeles County, CA 90265
Owner: Todd E Gelfand (Trustee) and Love Shack (Trust)
sales history (1992-present)
Shadow
$10,000,000 on August 31, 2007
B: Samantha Ashley (Trust), Jana Sommers (Trustee) (Trustee) and Stephen Sommers
S: Howard Grossman (Trustee) and Shack Love (Trust)
$6,300,000 on September 29, 2004
B: Love Shack (Trust) and Stacy Smith (Trustee)
S: Barbara King (Family Trust) and Barbara King (Trustee)
December 19th, 2008 at 2:19 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 2:04 pm
I don’t get it. If she sold the Malibu property then how could she be late in payments.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Maybe she bought a second Malibu home, not long before the first 5150.
Note the “warning” from the landlord in the TMZ article. Might someone have been living in it, more or less free of charge??
December 19th, 2008 at 2:20 pm
P.S. That might explain how she went from $100 million to an estimated $40 million in the course of a year.
Houses are big ticket items.
December 19th, 2008 at 2:21 pm
Correction. SBJ was established July 26, 2004. I don’t have time to run through all of the court documents. Going out in a while.
December 19th, 2008 at 2:33 pm
And then if anything was to happen, then Bryan, Stacy Smith and Ivan Taback would be the successors.
However Stacy Smith declined or announced this possible role in December 2004. She may have moved to Virginia or was staying in Virginia as that’s where she appeared before a Notary Public stating she is who she says she is.
It must have taken serious legal work to make Howard a trustee to Love Shack, another trust… are the Love Shack and SBJ directly related?
December 19th, 2008 at 2:40 pm
Steel. I see to remember some scuttle earlier this year concerning a rental property. Wasn’t Jamie trying to get out of that obligation or lease or whatever? Maybe that was Hawaii.
December 19th, 2008 at 2:49 pm
From “The Real Estalker”:
Monday, October 8, 2007
UPDATE: Britney Spears
“Your Mama finally got some clarification about the Malee-boo property where the increasingly troubled and now child-free pop tart Britney Spears has been living since she vacated the marital house of horrors she shared with FedEx up in the guard gated Serra Retreat.
The Malibu Minx, one of Your Mama’s favorite and knowledgeable tipsters, tells us that the trashy party princess has NOT purchased the 8,500 square foot house on gated Ramirez Canyon Road as we had previously thought.
Turns out the mega-rich lip syncher, who reportedly earns a shocking and astounding $700,000 per month, has leased the place for nine months at a cost of $35,000 per month (unfurnished), with an option to purchase.
We know that the gurl stays in hotels most nights and she still has her place up in The Summit in Bev Hills which is still for sale at $7,495,000, but she’s still paying $35,000 a month to occupy the house in Malee-boo, regardless of how many nights she actually sleeps there.
Your Mama also hears from the Malibu Minx that Miz Spears had to put an massive six figure deposit down on the property. The deposit will count towards the purchase of the home if she buys the property. But if the fickle money burner decides not to buy the property, the Malibu Minx says she forfeits the deposit.”
Interesting.
December 19th, 2008 at 2:51 pm
Per The Real Estalker the property was up for sale by Jan 28 2007.
December 19th, 2008 at 2:54 pm
March 31, 2007 Real Estalker
Reports say Federline is due half the proceeds from the sale of this house, so you know the white rapper called up listing agent Kimberley Pfeiffer at Coldwell Banker and told her to “sell the damn house lickety split ’cause yo yo yo needs a new pair of sneakers and a trip to Vegas.” No babies, the white rapper didn’t actually say that, but we like to think he said something along those lines.
One of our Malee-boo real estate snitches told us he thinks the property is a very difficult sell because of all the taint surrounding it. Looks like he might be right from the humongous price chop late this week. The couple first priced their former love shack at $13,500,00 and have now slashed the priced by $1,500,000 and one dollar to $11,999,999.
December 19th, 2008 at 2:56 pm
Looks like it’s two different houses.
The first she bought and put up for sale. The second she was renting for $35,000 a month.
December 19th, 2008 at 2:59 pm
The second house:
Monday, October 8, 2007…
Ramirez Canyon Road…
This is around the time of her losing custody, and around the time Suppository Sam inserted himself into her business affairs.
I’d say this is the one in the TMZ article.
December 19th, 2008 at 3:28 pm
Suppository Sam — is that a new one Steel?
ok so two houses — makes more sense
December 19th, 2008 at 3:50 pm
Oh, heck, I’ve been using that one for months now!
It’s my favourite – it seems to describe him wonderfully.
December 19th, 2008 at 4:01 pm
btb – I didn’t feel (let the spies do their own work) like listing out all of the defendants down south but SJB (sorry I’ve been posting this wrong) Trust was one of them.
Until yesterday only BS and BTI were listed.
From the beginning of access the status of the case was CLOSED — they should update.
The Defendants (BS BTI) and the Plaintiff’s names were also marked CLOSED as to status. Yesterday the trusts and companies popped up and they were marked CLOSED.
The only co. or trust to make payments for court fees and copies were BS and then as of March 2008, but only appearing yesterday, was Loveshack.
LS Trust, SJB Trust and SJB Insurance Trust.
btb, even Britney’s non-profit charity org was listed as a defendant yesterday, status closed.
Are they all part of those interrogatories?
December 19th, 2008 at 4:02 pm
Wasn’t there money missing from Britney’s charitable foundation? I think the media accused Bryan …
Sam went to Howard for the money — I guess he went to the right place.
December 19th, 2008 at 4:14 pm
I would think they’d have to go through ALL of her companies, especially if some of them are interlinked (e.g. into BTI). How else would they be able to come up with an accurate number as to how much WEG is owed?
WEG had access to all of these numbers up until December 2006, and it should have continued to have access until the present time. So nothing seems strange to me about them asking for it.
Sam would go to Howie for the money…because Howie is the one with the power to cut cheques. Heck, even B would have to go to Howie. I would think.
December 19th, 2008 at 4:18 pm
Correction:
I would think they’d need the financials from all of her companies. (That’s what I meant by “they’d have to go through.)
Charitable foundation…Hadn’t heard anything about that. So far.
Also…
From here on in, we’ll have to remember there’s a difference between BS and TSF. And B’s image appears to be used for both. It’s a blurry line.
December 19th, 2008 at 4:19 pm
She did. She got the Mercedes from him the day she checked out of UCLA. I wonder why he didn’t give her any money or a credit card — or did he lie about that?
I don’t understand the charity or foundation part — what does that have to do with Gross Receipts — money she made?
It can only be good as far as house cleaning is concerned.
December 19th, 2008 at 4:20 pm
Fox has a link on the charity being in the red June 19, 2008.
December 19th, 2008 at 4:22 pm
What if Britney fired her mom by December 2006 and hired Howard?
December 19th, 2008 at 4:33 pm
Her mom wasn’t an accountant, though. She would’ve received cheques, not made them out.
It sounds more like B fired the accountant hired by her mom, and hired Howie in his/her place.
December 19th, 2008 at 5:10 pm
Wait…I think I get you.
December 19th, 2008 at 5:15 pm
SJB is liquid, Love Shack is non-liquid?
December 19th, 2008 at 5:19 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 2:33 pm
It must have taken serious legal work to make Howard a trustee to Love Shack, another trust…
are the Love Shack and SBJ directly related?
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SBJ is liquid assets. Love Shack is real estate. Correct?
(I wish I knew what I was talking about here…)
Question…
Following rehab (and the anger associated with that), is it possible that B had her family removed as trustees from all of it?
What was the status of SJB and Love Shack (and BTI) going into the second 5150? Who were the trustees or folks in charge?
…You may have hit on something here.
December 19th, 2008 at 5:26 pm
Coming out of the second 5150, we have JS and Wallet in control of BTI (?), and BS and IT in control of SJB. (Correct?)
But going INTO the second 5150…Who was in control?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EleKwkt_fU
December 19th, 2008 at 5:34 pm
Awaiting moderation…
Re-paste:
Coming out of the second 5150, we have JS and Wallet in control of BTI (?), and BS and IT in control of SJB. (Correct?)
But going INTO the second 5150…Who was in control?
December 19th, 2008 at 6:52 pm
I can’t log out…I’m perpetually trapped inside JFX.
Ronnie, help! LOL
December 19th, 2008 at 7:02 pm
want me to shut the site down?!?!
December 19th, 2008 at 7:07 pm
Sorry. I should have said back in a few hours.
I think all three trusts are liquid. Bryan and Ira were never removed from SJB. They were in the original document from 2004 — which you would know if I hadn’t been moderated but the document is out there. It was Exhibit A when BS and Ira assumed their roles as was the plan should Britney not be able to fulfill her role.
SBJ was significantly more than just liquid assets and paying checks here and there. The 2004 document is cumbersome to read but insightful as to Britney’s role with her Mom.
Kevin Federline was employed by BTI but either not for a long time or didn’t work many hours. It was part of the income he had to show in asking for spousal support, i.e.. It’s funny that that accounting of income minus expenses document is out there on Kevin but not on Britney that I could find. I was looking for HG and wondering what he cost her, on the books.
Sooo… here’s what I am thinking. That SJB had been safe from Grossman as trustee. No one mentions any changes to it, or they didn’t mention changes to it, so BTI was the one that not only needed immediate care but was the easiest one to wrangle from Grossman since he had been fired?
I am confused. Bryan and I need access to liquid assets to pay for Britney’s expenses and to meet financial obligations, liabilities, etc. So when the lawyers were paid last time, and Jamie Spears go paid — who paid the expenses? BTI or SJB?
One would assume that BTI had an original arrangement similar to SJB. Was it changed and if so, who were the next trustees set up should anything happen to the sole trustee, Britney Spears? Howard and Northern Trust Bank?
December 19th, 2008 at 7:08 pm
Hey Steel — you put a link. Was the youtube link moderated before showing up?
December 19th, 2008 at 7:10 pm
Sam? That would have been too obvious but without the conservatorship over Britney by her dad we probably wouldn’t even have noticed.
December 19th, 2008 at 7:37 pm
lol Ronnie! lol Steel!
December 19th, 2008 at 7:38 pm
lol lol Ronnie!
December 19th, 2008 at 7:53 pm
Steel. If my online source is right, she rented the house in September 2007.
December 19th, 2008 at 8:12 pm
Steel. Wasn’t Britney living at the Malibu house when she wasn’t getting her phone calls — due to bad cell phone coverage or…. — for the drug tests? It’s not in the time line but I seem to remember some riff or raff with cell phone coverage.
December 19th, 2008 at 8:15 pm
Steel. The house I found is not the same as TMZ was showing. The rental house I found was more remote, no neighbors looming upon it.
December 19th, 2008 at 9:21 pm
Steel. brb — in the event of death, physical disability or mental illness, there will be a new Settlor, named in the trust. In SBJ it was Bryan, flesh and blood, and Ivan, attorney.
December 19th, 2008 at 9:25 pm
The part that says what Lynne does isn’t included in the documentation. Only that which is relevant to BS’s and IT’s petition is. All we the public know is that Lynne can not do her job or make decisions without a bank or a trustee.
“If no other Trustee (Britney) other than the Settlor’s mother is acting… it being the intention that she (Lynne) not act alone…”
December 19th, 2008 at 9:30 pm
Britney or the Settlor had the right to hire and terminate, with or without cause, a person, bank or trust … read it for yourself.
December 19th, 2008 at 11:38 pm
Random: “As far as the trust goes, the judge granted Jamie’s request that Britney’s older brother, Bryan, be named as the trustee. The trust, called the SJB Trust, was established by Britney on July 26, 2004.
It is a revocable living trust to substantially hold all of her assets.
At the time it was created, Britney was the sole trustee. As of now, she no long has control over the trust.
Bryan, 30, will serve as co-trustee with attorney Ivan Taback.”
December 20th, 2008 at 3:43 am
>>>It’s funny that that accounting of income minus expenses document is out there on Kevin but not on Britney that I could find.
Check TMZ. I remember reading both of them when they were first posted.
December 20th, 2008 at 3:47 am
Hi Ronnie,
Why are you guys getting rid of videos?
And why are the links being moderated now?
I guess no more vids means no more pap 101? Bummer.
December 20th, 2008 at 6:24 pm
Ronnie, it was a good thing you didn’t shut the site down overnight. I would’ve been trapped in cyber space…FOREVER! LOL
I’m just popping in…Have a Christmas party to attend which is several hours away. Gotta get motoring…before the liquor store closes! Ha ha!
AM, I’ll have to check out the stuff you posted when I get back in town tomorrow. (And yes, the link to the YouTube video was in moderation.)
Goodnight!
December 20th, 2008 at 10:08 pm
http://community.livejournal.com/ohnotheydidnt/30809167.html
December 20th, 2008 at 10:20 pm
Open a tag
“Go” to youtube dot com,
Copy this meaning (all worlds):)
””””””””””””””””””””’
Legaci singing “Silent Night” cover by boyz to men
December 21st, 2008 at 3:14 am
I’m gone for a day or two and I’m completely lost.
Have a nice weekend with shopping, baking, eating, and partying
December 21st, 2008 at 4:33 am
That ‘Trouble’ song by Britney is bananas!
December 21st, 2008 at 7:00 pm
Hey Ronnie!! Merry Christmas. Your daughter sure is a cutie pie like you.
December 22nd, 2008 at 2:54 am
Hey Adnan…this ones for you!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBBlqP1cK_0
December 22nd, 2008 at 10:49 pm
“doc1955 Says:
December 21st, 2008 at 4:33 am That ‘Trouble’ song by Britney is bananas!”
Temptations, lures, icecold, hot, cat playing with mouse, mouse playing with cat, sweet, cruel, yes, no…yes…no.. never, right now, yes, no, who?, you YOU yes, no, no , yes, maybe..
Merry Chrimsas doc
December 22nd, 2008 at 10:51 pm
corrections:
Merry Christmas doc
December 22nd, 2008 at 11:03 pm
MH, thank for the link (even if I´m not Adnan
)
She is very sexy. Many very sexy women out there, but its something especial with Britney.
Can’t find the right word.
She is just especial.
So especial.
December 23rd, 2008 at 12:41 pm
Merry Christmas everyone.
thanks MH for the link.
December 28th, 2008 at 1:26 am
I’m fatter but I am back. Hello everyone!
December 28th, 2008 at 11:54 am
I never went anywhere, but have been too busy stuffing myself with Toblerones and getting into:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Q9fO3G2Hbs
…LOL!
December 28th, 2008 at 9:06 pm
small — is this the same or similar set you posted re Brett, Oct 10, 2007? (follow the link below, click on pics)
Ama — page down to October 10 – Britney Out And About, 11 Oct 2007, by Jordan Miller
Our friend is at 2:41 though you can hear his voice once or twice earlier
http://www.breatheheavy.com/archives.php?archive=1197928615&subaction=list-archive
December 28th, 2008 at 9:14 pm
Moderated. That’s ok. TA is patient and doesn’t ask alot of questions. This member anyway.
I think Steel or small posted a similar link back to Oct 2007 w/Brett but the clip I posted had our friend.
December 28th, 2008 at 9:53 pm
Steel. Put the break into Britney’s house into your timeline. October 5, 2007. Caption, breatheheavy,
October 05 – Britney With Police While Paparazzi Change Her Tire
06 Oct 2007, by Jordan Miller
Our friend is once again in the video.
The moderated link has posted.
December 28th, 2008 at 10:02 pm
Steel. “we” underestimated Lynne’s role in the SJB Revocable trust. As long as she didn’t act alone she had plenty of influence and power.
small — you have wondered sometimes what Lynne may have lived on. How about trustee’s fees? She was the Trustee of the trust so long as she didn’t act alone.
Steel — Bryan and IT assumed Britney’s rights the moment a conservatorship was appointed. Court was a formality.
I am willing to bet $5
at least that Lynne was replaced by Howard and Northern Trust Bank.
If Lynne and a co-trustee (It was clear Britney did not want her acting on her own) had still been in charge I would believe the liquid assets would have been accessible.
$200K for Bryan has me a bit baffled. IT double-dipped as trustee and attorney, plus he was a partner in the firm that represented Britney in California. IT was not certified to practice in California. So he got Trustee fees, attorney fees, plus a share as partner in his law firm of which he was a partner.
I can see where it made sense at the time …If you read the documents it sounded cheaper and faster to run with his firm over another.
Love. Your amateur,
AM
December 28th, 2008 at 10:06 pm
Damn, you’re good!
December 28th, 2008 at 10:07 pm
I should be clear and fair. About Lynne acting on her own — I think the point was about having people around who knew what they were doing, i.e., investing in stocks, bonds etc.
Even so, if I read things right, Trustees could ignore advice from others.
p.s. I don’t think there is a Goldstick, Weiberger, Feldman and Grossman anymore but I could be wrong.
We can also X out Grossman being a CPA.
Howard L. Grossman (Member) born Poking, Federal Republic of Germany, December 14, 1948; admitted to bar, 1976, New York and New Jersey. Education: Yeshiva University (B.A., 1970); Rutgers University Law School (J.D., 1974). Member: New York State Bar Association. Practice Areas: Cooperative Law; Condominium Law; Real Estate. Email: Howard L. Grossman
http://www.lawyers.com/New-York/New-York/Goldstick,-Weinberger,-Feldman-and-Grossman,-P.C.-471933-f.html
December 28th, 2008 at 10:09 pm
I’d say that $5 is a pretty safe bet.
I wonder if we could find a date when that occurred. It wouldn’t have been around…March/April 2007, would it?
December 28th, 2008 at 10:11 pm
I am being moderated again. Here’s what I posted without the link.
p.s. thanks for the rah.
I think it’s called printing, highlighting, thinking….
If you have the patience it’s worth finding and reading “Ex-parte Petition to Appoint Temporary Trustees; Grant Powers to Temporary Trustees;” etc. 20 pages.
Don’t you think that SJB was a way to ensure KF never got access to the money aka the most substantial source of liquid assets?
December 28th, 2008 at 10:11 pm
doh!
>>>>>
I should be clear and fair. About Lynne acting on her own — I think the point was about having people around who knew what they were doing, i.e., investing in stocks, bonds etc.
Even so, if I read things right, Trustees could ignore advice from others.
p.s. I don’t think there is a Goldstick, Weiberger, Feldman and Grossman anymore but I could be wrong.
We can also X out Grossman being a CPA.
Howard L. Grossman (Member) born Poking, Federal Republic of Germany, December 14, 1948; admitted to bar, 1976, New York and New Jersey. Education: Yeshiva University (B.A., 1970); Rutgers University Law School (J.D., 1974). Member: New York State Bar Association. Practice Areas: Cooperative Law; Condominium Law; Real Estate. Email: Howard L. Grossman
December 28th, 2008 at 10:20 pm
A lawyer, not a number cruncher. Hmm.
I’d feel a lot better if I knew that she knew HG before she ever met SL.
To me, it would mean she made these changes because she truly WANTED to, not because someone pressured her into doing something while she was in a fragile state.
December 28th, 2008 at 10:26 pm
About $5… let’s say Brit started acting “crazy” to the family when she fired Lynne as Trustee in December 2006?
Britney was the Settlor so she had ultimate rights as the sole trustee until a c-ship was established.
Otherwise reading through the documents she had similar privileges to Lynne, i.e., hiring and firing co-trustees at will, but otherwise Lynne was running it, if I am reading the docs right.
I am not B but I would have been angry enough at Lynne to appoint someone else. Picture it. Having to run to your mother and her partner or teammate be it a bank or someone else when you are divorcing and your mother disagrees with it?
December 28th, 2008 at 10:27 pm
Did I just read the first paragraph of 10:26 correctly?!
December 28th, 2008 at 10:30 pm
If that’s an actual date…that would change…
…everything.
December 28th, 2008 at 10:30 pm
“All men cheat” is bullshit. I read enough of L’s book to believe she rationalizes. L put up with alot from her husband and community and she’s backward enough to send a daughter away, by an inch.
Her daughter’s bags are packed.
Suffice, Britney herself didn’t trust anyone by February.
I am only looking at December because that’s when WEG went missing what were presumably regular paychecks.
Don’t miss the point about HG and real estate planning etc. It’s funny. Tonight I am finding him in NY… I thought he was a Cali guy. He moved? When? When did he cease being a partner in GWFG? He is no longer a partner right?
We have a middle initial. L. MH or someone may have given that to us before.
December 28th, 2008 at 10:36 pm
Did I goof on GWFG?
December 28th, 2008 at 10:39 pm
Correctly or accurately… that is the question. It’s theory Steel.
We have zero documentation as to when or if Lynne was let go. It would make sense if she were though given the “urgency” of the matter in making it official that BS and IT were given access to the liquid funds. btb, liquid could include selling real estate, bonds, a number of things.
It would also make sense if Lynne were “let go” during that time period or even a little later as she was looking for things to do — praying to God so much that SL looked like the answer? ohmy.
December 28th, 2008 at 10:41 pm
Wow, you’re getting way ahead of me!
I need to print, highlight, think if I need to make sense of this thread. I feel like we’re unlocking some mysteries here…
I do think December 2006 (or thereabouts) appears to be a key date.
December 28th, 2008 at 10:41 pm
That was February right? YEP. February 2007 — the Malibu house is supposedly planted with something, per Sam.
You think the break-in at Britney’s house and being out with JR Rotem in Oct 2007 was random by the way?
December 28th, 2008 at 10:45 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 28th, 2008 at 10:39 pm
It would also make sense if Lynne were “let go” during that time period or even a little later as she was looking for things to do — praying to God so much that SL looked like the answer? ohmy.
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Theory only. Okay.
But there’s something in that last paragraph you just posted. Oh my, indeed!
December 28th, 2008 at 10:50 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 28th, 2008 at 10:41 pm
That was February right? YEP. February 2007 — the Malibu house is supposedly planted with something, per Sam.
PLUS
— praying to God so much that SL looked like the answer? ohmy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Is it wrong of me to group these two paragraphs together?
December 28th, 2008 at 11:04 pm
Not much happening in Orange Co by the way. I think the judge is just admitting motions. She hasn’t ordered anything in awhile.
As for printing and highlighting it’d be best if you found the same document as I did (damn it, I posted the link — it’s probably a TMZ link) and read that thing to understand the magnitude of the role (once?) Lynne held.
I say again, I am baffled by Bryan’s $200K fee.
p.s. it’s clear from the documents that Britney wanted Stacy Smith to be in charge with regard to intellectual property and who knows. In other words, Britney “suggested” her as Lynne’s co-trustee, but it was up to Lynne to decide.
Stacy resigned in December 2004.
mw, and I am not typing up the whole thing, no way, “…the Settlor’s mother must appoint a person or persns or a bank or trust acompny to act with her, it being the Settlor’s intention that she not act alone as Trustee of such trust, and (c) may appoint a person or persons or a bank or trust company to act as (one or more successive) successor of such trust.
>>>
Here are some of the things Lynne got to do as I understand it:
a) To make any payment or distributions (required or authorized under this Declaration of Trust)…
b) To continue to holod any property, real, personal etc….
c) To invest and reinvest in any property…
d) To employ any person, firm, corp., bank, or trust co. for advice with respect to investment policy….
e) To exercise or perform every power, authority, or duty, including discretionary powers…
f) Severally to resign, by delivering to any successor or Trustee…
g) Severally to authorize, by instrument in writing, any person..
h) To credit to principal or income or…
You get the idea? It goes to y) To trade on margin, and for such purposes, to maintain and operate a margin account with any broker….
Let’s forget Lynne, school teacher, backward marm.
December 28th, 2008 at 11:05 pm
Northern Trust isn’t any rinky dink bank. Check it out, per their Web site:
Global Leadership, Enduring Principles
Northern Trust is a global leader in delivering innovative investment management, asset and fund administration, fiduciary and banking solutions to corporations, institutions and affluent individuals.
For nearly 120 years, we have evolved with the changing needs of our clients and our world.
As of September 30, 2008, Northern Trust Corporation had:
$79 billion in banking assets
$3.5 trillion in assets under custody
$652.4 billion in assets under management
December 28th, 2008 at 11:08 pm
10:50 Steel. Depends on the allegation or theory.
What does a person pray for? Show me God, give me a sign I am doing the right thing?
Lynne’s hesitance is plausible throughout her book and news reports. Did she go along for the right with K-Fed and Jamie and ? It’s bullshit. She’s as culpable in my book as anybody. The power of rationale. (Ama if you are reading, that’s sarcasm k?)
December 28th, 2008 at 11:15 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 28th, 2008 at 11:04 pm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
So it was Lynn who had a say in funding things like…JJ Chill’s?! NYLA?!
Northern Trust…
I’m not seeing a location in Orlando. But I am seeing one in Miami.
Question…
When B sprung herself from Crossroads, where was her first stop on her way back to LA?
December 28th, 2008 at 11:19 pm
There’s an interesting article called, “Britney rehabs in Miami,” written February 17, 2007, that quotes Felicia as saying that B’s family are no longer on the payroll anymore.
So if the article is accurate (??), there’s a date to work with.
December 28th, 2008 at 11:20 pm
Sorry, it’s “Britney rehabs in Miami sun.”
December 28th, 2008 at 11:57 pm
Catch up with you in the morning Steel.
December 29th, 2008 at 12:03 am
Goodnight!
December 29th, 2008 at 3:59 am
The pics of Brett with Britney are not the same ones I’m referring to. I remember pics of Lynn w/ Brett in the summer of 2008. At this pt, maybe I got the faces wrong or something. I saw the pics on x17…I think.
December 29th, 2008 at 4:00 am
I can’t believe Lynne had that much power. You do have to wonder if it is all about money.
I’m completely baffled at the amt Bryan received. I don’t know what to think of this family.
December 29th, 2008 at 10:48 am
And here I thought Lynn might have just been an employee with BTI.
How naive was I? LOL
Small, I’ll keep my eye out for pics of Lynn and Brett in the summer of 2007 (I think this is when you meant?). It would make sense that she was an employee of Lynn’s who got pawned off on B. (I bet the Big J over at BH would know exactly where those pics are…but be damned if I’m going to ask him!!)
Dec. 31 is coming up…I guess that’s when the next big decision on the C-Ship is??
December 29th, 2008 at 1:44 pm
small, as for Lynne’s power, Britney trusted her at the time to “mind the store” so to speak. I admit I had stereotyped her as more of a “housewife” — doesn’t it make you wonder the number of times she said she was never Britney’s manager but she was a trustee? Surely she made some money from that.
Also, what services might Bryan have provided to merit $200,000 back pay? Also, doesn’t that suggest again that someone who was paying bills omitted him as well?
Trustees can hire CPAs and a host of other advisors and service providers.
We know (right?) that HG had trustee powers for the Love Shack trust. Was or is he a CPA or an attorney? We went through this along time ago.
Were you guys able to find the court docs on SJB? A second pair of eyes would be helpful.
aolcdn.com/tmz_documents/0214_brian_spears_wm.pdf
December 29th, 2008 at 6:17 pm
This site is loading slow. Shall we move?
December 29th, 2008 at 6:36 pm
yikes! what are you guys doing to the site!?!?!? j/k. yeah, since we updated our Word Press software, things have been running a bit slower. We also changed over to a new video feed, which seems to be slowing us down a bit as well. The video quality is much better isn’t it?
I hope you all had a great Christmas and stay safe this week.
December 29th, 2008 at 6:43 pm
Ok, I actually turned off the old video plug in and it seems to have sped up the site a bit. Let me know.
December 29th, 2008 at 6:53 pm
That was faster this time. Good to see you Ronnie!
December 29th, 2008 at 6:55 pm
We are all hoping for a visit from our friend when/if you guys can.
We’ll still be here anyway.
I wish him well.
December 30th, 2008 at 6:12 am
yes wish our friend Happy New Year for us. Hope you all had a Merry Christmas.
December 30th, 2008 at 6:34 am
“Amethyst Mine Says:
December 29th, 2008 at 1:44 pm”
Sounds like a very very good idea for the future
Be a huge Entertainment Star/Celeb.
Have a lot of money, good times.
Let your own family (your nearest, beside your kids) people live in poor conditions.
That will for sure make the days for the gossip sites.
Its UNNATURAL to not share with your family.
If there is no work inside your “company” for them to do, you just invent some!
That’s how a decent person does for his/hers family.
Happy new years !
December 30th, 2008 at 12:46 pm
And so the tide has turned.
Interesting thread on BH. It used to be that 70% of the bloggers there believed in continued C-ship.
MT and others (including us?) must have been doing their job.
Also that last exchange of money for Papa and Bryan was def negative publicity.
Myself, I still feel strange watching anything on Britney. While she is under c-ship I feel like a voyeur even as I applaud and do an atta-girl to keep getting stronger. But is she?
Who is that microphone for? At least the bitches at britneyspears.com have stopped pretending that Britney is writing her own blog.
kudos to Jordan Miller if he influenced that through a post questioning authenticity.
MT are things finally starting to backfire and will Britney be set free soon? Or is there so much money now promised to investors of the album, tour, perfumes etc. that it be near impossible to get out from Papa?
Any insight on why Papa merited retro pay?
December 30th, 2008 at 3:09 pm
I think it will go on and on. Backlash will have to make it all the way to the pocketbook for it to matter. I wish it were different. I’m glad we have a voice here at least for us and for the most part are not hassled here.
I think retro pay has to do with how well it turned out and the CD that came out and now the tour.
December 30th, 2008 at 3:18 pm
Any opinions I have in a comment are ´moderated´ away, so I suppose there are a message in that?
´Keep in line.
Don’t ever say against the line we approve?
Have the right opinions, or don’t come back?´
Is it really you Ronnie who take away my comments?
I must say, I´m surprised. And dissipointed.
I just not have the same opinions as MT:s ´fanclubgirls´, did not know that was a requirement for being allowed to have opinions here.
If, of some mysterious way this comment are coming throw:
Happy new year to all of you.
December 30th, 2008 at 3:39 pm
Ama, why not write Ronnie direct? We are all being moderated for some reason. Maybe it’s the new online video service that was causing slow downs etc. or just a need for higher security right now.
I wouldn’t sweat it.
December 30th, 2008 at 4:06 pm
AM
Its a comment on your comment
“Amethyst Mine Says:
December 29th, 2008 at 1:44 pm”
who still in moderation…
Believe me, it´s NO dirty words or such in my comment.
I will not send email and begging to have the right to have a opinon, who not, in any way, are offensive
December 30th, 2008 at 4:39 pm
Steel. I have a few brain teasers for you.
Howard@glwg.com was the email address used by Howard Grossman in reply to Jeryll Cohen, on February 7, 2008.
a) Howard got Brit a car, but didn’t give her the credit card she asked for, nor did he let her use his own. She did not ask for cash, per Howard. What would be his motive in not giving her a credit card?
b) I tried the wayback machine for http://www.glwg.com and it only went through to November 29, 2006.
Misc.
Looking back. Spears did not have the capacity to retain counsel (Adam) but she did not have the “ability” to attend court.
Was she uncooperative? “My daddy wouldn’t like that.”
She did however have the ability to walk out of the hospital, meet with people, go to a hotel, etc. It’s a long time ago but … it makes me wonder what’s going on in the present. I wonder how she has been socialized. I am not losing hope however.
December 30th, 2008 at 4:42 pm
Ama. I don’t suggest you send an email begging for anything more than an explanation as to the change, for ALL of us to be moderated right now.
My last comment is up for moderation but it includes a website link and an email address.
Did you moderated post have a link or an email address?
I am waiting for fireworks otherwise and see moderation as a positive sign of things yet to come. Maybe.
December 30th, 2008 at 4:45 pm
In short Ama, you are taking moderation too personally.
If you read through the thread you may have seen that a number of us have been moderated. Not just you.
December 30th, 2008 at 5:20 pm
I’m not moderating anyone in particular. There are two comment spammers intent on clogging us up so I’ve put up the sensitivity of the filters. Believe me when I say this, if I turned off the filters, all you’d see is prescription drugs, viagra and family law spam in the comments from now on!
Just bear with me for a while.
December 30th, 2008 at 5:37 pm
Thank you Ronnie!!!
December 30th, 2008 at 6:33 pm
Yes thank Ronnie. Moderate away. Doesn’t bother me at all.
Ronnie is anyone coming to see me in Phoenix?? I leave home on January 16th and will do the marathon January 18th. There are suppose to be bands every mile of the marathon and half marathon and a big band for the finish. Surely there will be someone around beides me to take pics of. lol
Hope to see you at the finish line!!
December 30th, 2008 at 6:49 pm
Gigi,
We’re actually going to be heading to Palm Spring that week. The documentary will be screening at the Palm Springs Film Festival on the 15th I believe.
We’ll be covering the festival as well as attending any junkets. I’ll be posting the trailer for the documentary soon.
R.
December 30th, 2008 at 7:12 pm
Cool!
I’ve been wondering about your film. I’m a bit of a fan of docs myself.
December 30th, 2008 at 7:14 pm
Ama, I’m also being moderated, but it usually corresponds with a post that contains a link.
I’m also not able to log out, but that’s an issue with the Word Press software. So it looks like it’s just kinks to be worked out, from what I can see…
December 30th, 2008 at 7:16 pm
Ronnie. THE documentary?
December 30th, 2008 at 7:16 pm
That is exciting news!
December 30th, 2008 at 7:17 pm
MT, I see G/S has been busy this week!
It doesn’t look like Victoria is enjoying the attention.
December 30th, 2008 at 7:26 pm
Ronnie, I’m *hopefully* going to be entering a big doc in some festivals this year, so if yours beats me out for a spot, I’m going to be **so mad**!! LOL
It would be funny if we both got in, though! If we do, and I know we’re going to be in the same place, I’ll try to walk up and tap one of you guys on the shoulder and introduce myself. It’ll be one of those “small world” situations, that’s for sure!
December 30th, 2008 at 7:27 pm
The Doc has been screening all over the world but here. It was on Israeli TV last month and it did well apparently. We’re looking forward to the screening in Palm Springs.
December 30th, 2008 at 7:34 pm
Well, I’m not done mine yet, so I definitely won’t be in Palm Springs. (Though I wish I was – I hate winter!)
I’ve got a couple of North American festivals I’m planning on entering, but haven’t even thought outside of that yet. I’m just trying to get my head OUT of JFX and back IN to my film so I can get the darn thing done!
December 30th, 2008 at 7:45 pm
That’s wonderful Ronnie. I am glad at least some things are moving forward.
December 30th, 2008 at 8:15 pm
lol Steel. Sorry but I’m not getting my head out of JFX. I’m addicted. lol
December 30th, 2008 at 8:52 pm
Are they done pimping Britney out?
Nobody seems to know for sure where she is.
Happy new year.
December 30th, 2008 at 9:12 pm
Wait…C-Ship on the 31st (is that right?)…the same day as a marriage for Bryan??
Or am I getting my dates mixed up?
December 30th, 2008 at 9:19 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 30th, 2008 at 4:39 pm
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A bit more info…
GLWG Inc., located on Wilshire Blvd. in L.A.
“Management Consultants”
Their Web address appears to be inactive, but the domain has been renewed until 2011.
December 30th, 2008 at 9:26 pm
Also…
Accounting, auditing, and bookkeeping
Other Accounting Services
A quick Google search shows they performed duties for Macy Gray in 2005. I wonder if they work with a variety of performers?
December 30th, 2008 at 9:29 pm
Also…
“Prior to the acquisition by J. P. Morgan Chase & Co., in 2000, Mr. Wasserman was a founding partner of GLWG, Inc. in 1988. GLWG is a financial management firm whose diverse services manage the daily financial lives of its high net worth clientele. Focused on the entrepreneurs, executives and entertainment industries in Southern California, Nashville and New York, the firm was a leader in the development of financial management services to individuals and families.”
From a bio on a founding partner (I won’t post the link, or it will go into moderation.)
December 30th, 2008 at 9:33 pm
AM, I think it’s safe to say (maybe?) that neither Howie or Northern Trust were rinky dink.
December 30th, 2008 at 9:40 pm
Refresh my memory…WHO was requesting that Grossman and Northern Trust be named conservators?
Okay, after doing some Googling, I’m going to answer my own question…It was Adam Streisand, who had been hired over the phone by Trope and Trope, the law firm handling Brit’s custody case.
It appears Streisand (and Brit?) were mainly concerned with the handling of her money, and were not concerned with who would manage her medical care.
Apparently there are different types of C-Ships, some involving only finances, while others involve more? I didn’t know this until recently…
December 30th, 2008 at 9:42 pm
Okay, I’m getting sucked back into this. Aah! LOL
I’ve gotta log out for a bit. I’ve GOT to get some work done.
Darn you, JFX, darn you!!!
December 30th, 2008 at 9:55 pm
And here I thought you were sleeping on the job.
December 30th, 2008 at 10:00 pm
Howard must have engaged Adam, right? Who I wonder engaged Eardley?
Still looking at Love Shack v. BTI v. SJB.
Still looking at Sam’s scheme for Brit to look nuts.
Still looking at sense of urgency the month of January. I wonder if Brit looking crazy was plan B or C, and not A.
Still thinking, why not get on the phone you jerk? lol but serious. Secondary research is driving me bats.
If it weren’t for JFX what would I be doing? Blast it and blimey JFX.
December 30th, 2008 at 10:03 pm
p.s. if you watched the Atlantic links posted by MH, you may have noted Navarre’s wishes (in terms of money ((how else can you deduce her comments?)) and dream pictures):
“Kissing a new boyfriend. New guy — not just the mystery man that we always like to put in our captions but someone who really looks like a love interest. Really romantic. And not a paparazzo. Preferably not a paparazzo boyfriend.”
Can our boy win?
December 30th, 2008 at 10:15 pm
Since the software won’t LET me log out…
The articles I’m reading online are saying Trope and Trope engaged Streisand.
I always thought that Lutfi engaged Eardley, but that could have just been an ASSumption on my part.
Question…
How does all this relate to what’s going on NOW? We keep getting drawn back to this…But is it actually useful?
Can our boy win?
Depends what you mean by “win”…This story seems to get sadder and sadder as we go…
December 30th, 2008 at 10:17 pm
AM, We’ve kind of always grouped Sammy and Howie into the same category, or put them on the same team. But what if they WEREN’T on the same team?
What if Howie was on Team B, and Sammy was on Team…Sammy?
December 30th, 2008 at 10:27 pm
I am with you Steel. We go back to the beginning but why? How does it help or shed insight into the present?
To my mind a wrong(s) was committed.
Is another wrong now being committed?
I look to perm c-ship. Was the purpose really to save money? REALLY? Is Sam I. still receiving $10K a week? Bryan gets $200K for unknown cause? Pops gets $16K/month and was receiving $2500/week before that and he gets retro pay?
If you look back at the early documents, for Britney to travel there either had to be perm c-ship or a letter from her Conservator.
Looking at the past maybe helps to unearth what is happening in the present.
Papa needs to let go of some of his control, that is for damn sure. Do any of us see Britney as having more freedom, or being enabled to become an adult again? Wasn’t that the b.s. we got last time, that it would take time to orient her out of c-ship?
People made a rumbling out here. If the tabloids were used to cause a rumble to fail Britney then…
Come on. It’s worth looking at the past just to say that Michael Sands wasn’t hired to unearth dirt on Britney, he was hired to create it.
With the help of Sam and some others, she was an easy target.
I guess Steel, that looking at the past also might provide clues as to what the other side is doing, right now.
Our friend said Sam would be back and I believe it. If we unravel some of the b.s. from back then…
Yes. Howard Grossman and Northern Trust weren’t small potatos but they hit jackpot with Britney and, who associated with her didn’t?
December 30th, 2008 at 10:28 pm
Kaplan is still alive and well in Britney’s life.
Kaplan is part of the past, part of the present.
December 30th, 2008 at 10:31 pm
SM @ 10:17.
Um. Howie didn’t turn over Sam’s emails to him, nor his replies to Sam, as was requested.
Sound a little incriminating?
If you were doing nothing wrong, why not do EVERYTHING possible to help Britney? What might have hurt her in those emails that Howard was willing to sacrifice his career to SAVE her?
Or was it himself and his backers he saved? Past tense stet.
December 30th, 2008 at 10:39 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 30th, 2008 at 10:27 pm
Yes. Howard Grossman and Northern Trust weren’t small potatos but they hit jackpot with Britney and, who associated with her didn’t?
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I’m just wondering if, perhaps, Howie and NT were actually good guys – hired by Brit shortly following her divorce announcement as a way for her to separate herself from her family (aka, in the real world, as “growing up” and wanting to handle her own affairs.)
I know that some others don’t see it this way, but some of us DO rebel against our parents, usually in our teenage years. At some point, we tend to pull away from the nest, and to want to start making our own decisions. From what I can see, B’s never been allowed to do this. Her family/management have had a heavy hand in her personal AND financial life right from the get go.
What if…Grossman and Northern Trust were simply the financial institutions B chose for herself when she decided it was time to pull away from the nest?
That would leave Sammy…as nothing more than a little worm who was TRYING to wiggle his way into the coveted position of her “manager” (either on his own, or on behalf of someone else).
What if, in the end, that’s all Sam was? Just a leach? A wannabe? Or a hired gun? That *maybe* had nothing to do with Grossman?
December 30th, 2008 at 10:45 pm
Here is something I know. When you are connected to a charming, handsome, “wonderful” man, very few want to believe otherwise.
One’s family oc, knows that something is different: they don’t have the same control or influence over you.
You have been much more bold than I, Steel, in looking at potential villains, even though that is a word I gather you prefer not to use.
MT directed us to the top of law makers. I don’t think it’s going to blind us to look at the truth and if we don’t…
Hence lol the X-Files was born into a series. Why not look at the past? I am not even sure I understand Chapter 3.
December 30th, 2008 at 10:49 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 30th, 2008 at 10:31 pm
Howie didn’t turn over Sam’s emails to him, nor his replies to Sam, as was requested.
Sound a little incriminating?
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But…Who was he supposed to hand over the e-mails TO?
It sounded as if he was initially asked to hand over the e-mails to the new co-conservators.
What if…Grossman didn’t want to do this because B herself did not want her father to be her conservator?
—> I’m just trying to think outside the box here. Our opinion about Grossman’s conduct is being influenced by what we’re reading on gossip blogs, which might not accurately reflect what was REALLY said or done. (Think Lou!)
December 30th, 2008 at 10:55 pm
Steel @ 10:39
What is Howard was just as duped as B or anyone else connected with Sam?
“I control Howard Grossman, her business manager,…”
…no one listens to her, they listen to me!
I’ll ask though. Why didn’t Howard give her a credit card when she asked for it? And why didn’t he loan her his own?
The C-ship has the legal right to cancel all credit cards. Howard was informed of this. What of his lame excuse of he wanted to build Britney’s confidence in him?
On the other hand you may have hit on something. Howard duped by Sam. But Howard did not give Sam the money he requested nor lean into Sam’s other demands. What I wonder were Sam’s other demands?
Sam is so crazy I am sure he felt he could demand anything of anyone. Oh. And Sam knows all the barkeeps or strong arms in town? Dungey or Haines said he knew everyone in town. Remember my obsession with the ventriloquist at Hyde Lounge? I thought the ventriloquist was unusual until I read Haines/Dungey testaments again today.
And what of more recent times? He gets greeted by the doorman or bouncer, next door to a bar where who else was let in?
L.A. town of favors, bribes, follow the money, except you can’t do it here at JFX. JFX not for sale.
If I am ranting or not making sense SM I blame it in part on a cold: Those long johns only made it so far.
December 30th, 2008 at 10:56 pm
Let me put it another way…
Howie appeared to be working with B upon her release from the hospital. At that point, she was not with Sam, but was with A.
Is it possible that Howie was simply following B’s orders? (And not Sam’s?) That it was not the “turning over the e-mails” that he had a problem with, but “turning over the e-mails to Jamie” that he had a problem with??
December 30th, 2008 at 10:59 pm
On the other hand, if Howard was such a good guy, why did he play it out as he did? He got fired.
On the other hand, he was duped?
ok — Malibu property was purchased now before or after the marriage or the formation of SJB? If you happen to know it off hand.
Non-parties are being pursued out of the court of Orange County, for interrogatories. Non-parties are those not being sued?
December 30th, 2008 at 11:05 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 30th, 2008 at 10:55 pm
“I control Howard Grossman, her business manager,…”
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To me, Sammy sounds like my boyfriend’s manipulative ex. She likes to make lots of declarations about how SHE runs the show. But no matter how much she likes to rant and rave and brag about this or that, at the end of the day, she’s not the one kissing him goodnight…
And just because Lutfi said he controlled B’s business manager didn’t mean he actually did. It just means he was enough of a loon to THINK that he did. And an even bigger nutjacket to SAY it.
December 30th, 2008 at 11:05 pm
Thinking outside the box Steel.
What if the emails didn’t legally incriminate Howard of anything, but embarrassed him instead?
That was Sam’s M.O. with Danny Haines.
December 30th, 2008 at 11:11 pm
I remain a little haunted.
Jamie had the means to go for C-ship by Jan. 22nd (right?) so why didn’t he? God????? My gawd. The second 5150 was a windfall. Few could object to c-ship at that time.
You have to wonder how big a player Sam was that he could orchestrate helicopters and a police escort.
Who the hell was coaching him? Not Nadel. Was someone coaching him? MT insinuated there were more players.
If that is the case we are out of the court house and into scarier waters. I salute Mr. Don Bolles, investigative reporter, deceased, Arizona, car bomb.
We are really safe here at JFX.
December 30th, 2008 at 11:11 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 30th, 2008 at 10:59 pm
On the other hand, if Howard was such a good guy, why did he play it out as he did? He got fired.
—> Fired by the new co-conservators. (Not fired by B!)
ok — Malibu property was purchased now before or after the marriage or the formation of SJB?
—> Don’t know about the first Malibu property. If this was the property supposedly planted with drugs, then it was in B’s possession in February 2007. The second Malibu property (the expensive rental) started around October 2007. I think.
Non-parties are being pursued out of the court of Orange County, for interrogatories. Non-parties are those not being sued?
—> Sounds like it to me.
December 30th, 2008 at 11:16 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 30th, 2008 at 11:11 pm
I remain a little haunted. Jamie had the means to go for C-ship by Jan. 22nd (right?) so why didn’t he? God????? My gawd. The second 5150 was a windfall. Few could object to c-ship at that time. You have to wonder how big a player Sam was that he could orchestrate helicopters and a police escort. Who the hell was coaching him? Not Nadel. Was someone coaching him? MT insinuated there were more players.
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I doubt Sam had a thing to do with the second 5150. I was under the impression that her parents were the one’s orchestrating it, and that’s why she was up for three days running on Red Bulls. I always got the impression she KNEW they were planning it, and was trying to run from it because…well…
Got your tickets for the Circus tour??
December 30th, 2008 at 11:18 pm
Yes. You are right Steel. I have met that loon myself, “I control everything. I threw this party, I paid for everything!” Yes, and you are now on how many lines of coke old man?
It happened. Nice party though until that happened. He was my roommates’ sugar daddy and we were at a party hosted by my boyfriend’s dad and the gala was on his property.
So are Rhonia and Christine Leilah specters of the past? Do we know where Sam’s sisters are, one of which who threatened Danny Haines or Ken Dungey? It’s a bit off topic.
December 30th, 2008 at 11:18 pm
ok alot off topic
December 30th, 2008 at 11:20 pm
Lynne says Sam orchestrated the 5150(s).
December 30th, 2008 at 11:20 pm
Sam could have used the idea as terror though against Britney to keep her in control.
December 30th, 2008 at 11:21 pm
Steel. I am not going back and retyping that shyt from the book. It’s on HL or here and I refuse.
December 30th, 2008 at 11:28 pm
Personally, (and I could very well be wrong), I tend to think:
a/ Lynn was just SAYING it was Sam, when she really knew it was Jamie. (In her book, does she say it WAS Sam, or does she dilly dally around coming right out and saying who did it? Seems to me I recall some crafty wording there…)
b/ Sam was just SAYING it was her parents that were coming for her, because it was a good way to invoke terror and keep her in control.
c/ Sam and Adnan BOTH make great scapegoats! Diversion, diversion, diversion!
December 30th, 2008 at 11:30 pm
It’s okay, I’m not asking. It’s more of a rhetorical question.
December 30th, 2008 at 11:31 pm
Another reason for perm c-ship — Britney was still vulnerable to undue influence? By whom or is this a state of mind?
December 30th, 2008 at 11:34 pm
Go ahead and ask. I’d rather talk and I hope I didn’t sound snide above, just no more transcription for me for awhile.
Yes, the wording was “crafty” like “I knew then it was him” and “You’re the one who put her here” direct to Sam.
Remember there was some kind of people against drunk drivers org involved who arranged for the helicopters, police etc?
December 30th, 2008 at 11:36 pm
Sorry, I meant I’m not asking (and don’t expect you) to go to the work of transcribing. I just find the wording in the book to be quite ambiguous or sly, so I tend not to trust it as “fact.”
December 30th, 2008 at 11:37 pm
Darn you SM.
There is so much crap in this book like Britney “stalling” and wanting a glass with a longer stem over the tumblers, “She had caught on to the fact that if she drank something from his hand, she could sleep for days, so she was actually stalling.”
You just want me to type don’t you? jk
December 30th, 2008 at 11:41 pm
I guess what I’m saying is that I see Lutfi as a bit of a lone wolf in all of this. Struggling to maintain a hold on the situation, and using B’s fear of her parent’s control as a way to keep her on-side with him.
But at the same time…I think B knew what would happen if her parents were to take control. She knew what would happen, because it had probably already happened time and time again.
No rest for the wicked.
December 30th, 2008 at 11:41 pm
f.u. SM I am probably getting banned for that but here you go,
“The admittance slip of the psychitric ward of UCLA Medical Center said she had been driving recklessly, not taking her medicine as directed, and wasn’t sleeping properly. Aha, I thought. No one could know that except for Sam.. Later, I found out that he had been working in conjunction with the Smart Team, a branch of the police force that watches for DUI and reckless drivers.”
I particularly hate you at this moment for the forced but true italics. please lol with me?
December 30th, 2008 at 11:43 pm
Gotcha’ finally. A year we’ve been at this.
The horror of a parent’s control or being in the middle.
December 30th, 2008 at 11:44 pm
That’s where I started with this: the horror of a parent’s control.
December 30th, 2008 at 11:45 pm
Wait, wait! I’ll find it…!!
While I do…
If anyone’s reading who has an answer to this…
I’m digitizing footage in Final Cut Pro. The screen on the camera (Sony HVR-Z1U) shows the footage playing, but I’m getting a black screen in the Log and Capture window. I’ve tried re-setting the scratch disks and that hasn’t worked…Is this a problem in FCP, or in the camera settings?
Help!
Okay…Back in a few…
December 30th, 2008 at 11:47 pm
Crap, sorry, AM!
I really WAS going to go track that down.
Thank you!!
December 30th, 2008 at 11:58 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 30th, 2008 at 11:41 pm
f.u. SM I am probably getting banned for that but here you go, “The admittance slip of the psychitric ward of UCLA Medical Center said she had been driving recklessly, not taking her medicine as directed, and wasn’t sleeping properly. Aha, I thought. No one could know that except for Sam.. Later, I found out that he had been working in conjunction with the Smart Team, a branch of the police force that watches for DUI and reckless drivers.”
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Three things:
1/ I’ll take that F.U.
2/ ” Aha, I thought. No one could know that except for Sam.”
This is the line.
Remember how we got in a big tiff a while back about X and their coverage. Well, they just posted a “Recap” yesterday of Brit’s “3 Scary Days” or whatever they called it. (Slow news day at X?!)
Anyways, the point…Is that anyone who read X over those three days knew that she had been driving recklessly (or at least somewhat recklessly) and hadn’t been sleeping properly, if only because X was posting photos of her, almost in real time. The number of updates they had over those three days was just…incredible…or incredibly sickening is more like it.
So to me, Sam WASN’T the only one that knew that. I knew that, too! And Lynn knew that, because she was in half of the photos!
3/ If Sam was working with the Smart Team, is that really a BAD thing? B had been driving after going without sleep for three days. It seemed like it was kind of in her (and everyone’s) best interest that she not be driving. (And I’m not saying that to be critical of her, not in the least.) Keeping her from driving would actually be a good thing, because it would be keeping her safe.
P.S. Why was Sam working with the police anyways?? Weird.
December 31st, 2008 at 12:08 am
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 30th, 2008 at 11:44 pm
That’s where I started with this: the horror of a parent’s control.
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To me, this is where the story begins and where it ends. Mid-story, Lutfi was able to worm his way in *because* of this, and maintained his position for as long as he did *because* of this.
But if you took him out of the picture, the story would more or less be the same??
December 31st, 2008 at 12:15 am
And by that, I’m referring to this story:
Britney Clarifies: I’m Taking A Break From Being Told What To Do
MTV
January 4, 2005
(I won’t post the link. It can be found in this thread.)
December 31st, 2008 at 6:49 am
AM and SM_
I found this and have also some thought on whats happening know…
“Oct 16 2004 12:40 PM EDT……
By Jennifer Vineyard
Her knee gave out on her during the “Outrageous” video shoot (forcing the cancellation of her summer tour) for a reason, she said — so that she would “have no choice but to stop” and give her body some rest (see “Britney’s Fall: The Never-Before-Seen Footage”).
She said she feels like she’s missed out on too many of “the simple things” — like being able to watch such movies as Mandy Moore’s “Saved” and re-runs of “Sex and the City” because of her nonstop work schedule, which kept her “going and going and going.”
“It’s amazing what advisors will push you to do, even if it means taking a naive young blonde girl and putting her on the cover of every magazine,” she wrote. Now, she’d like to “take some time off to enjoy life.”
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Spears also said that her next project would be focusing on being a wife and hopefully a mother.
“I can’t wait to start my family!” she wrote.
from a mtv article
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SM_, you once told that you have learn from working in a project (?) together (?) with a brilliant lawyer from a social justice law firm, “to flip around and look at it from angles that I never would´ve thougt of.”
I think that all rules are really change, everything is very rigid now for Britney Spears, because of the most important matter for her: Her kids.
She can’t act or do whatever she wants to do right now. She have to walk on a very thin line and keep the balance and let the pieces of her own observations and other information get her an overwiew of what path to go for getting to her her ultimate goal. Her kids back.
Anyone who think that she have any other goal before that, are wrong out.
The circumstances that she is in the positions she are right now, are interesting to examen for others, for her its no news….
What bothers me most is that she not can get an own social family lawyer who she trust and can pay (SHE have the money) so she can be guided on this travel to getting her kids back.
I assume that everyone who loves her, knows that she will not do anything to risk her ultimate reunion with her kids.
What happens after that, is another matter, but at least we who look outside in, can say:
Family members, and people around her, have getting as much money by then, so they could be able to start there own busniess
and no more get their paychecks from her?
December 31st, 2008 at 10:38 am
Amapola Says:
December 31st, 2008 at 6:49 am
What bothers me most is that she not can get an own social family lawyer who she trust and can pay (SHE have the money) so she can be guided on this travel to getting her kids back.
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Ama, I agree with everything you posted. But that one line above, I guess, is the reason I keep poking my nose around in her business.
The fact that B isn’t allowed to have a “second opinion” on how to approach all of this seems kind of…depressing. Or unfair. Or unjust.
In all of these interviews dating from around 2005/2006, she’s making the same kinds of statements – that she’s tired of others (management, advisors, parents) pushing her to work, or pushing her to do things their way, or just…pushing her. Making decisions on her behalf. Not allowing her to determine the course of her own life.
In my mind, the C-Ship should be a way of helping her recover and grow and (hopefully) get to a place where she’s financially secure AND be able to make her own decisions and function on her own. That would be a “win” or a “best case scenario” to me.
…’Cause it just doesn’t seem right for those boys to have a mom that isn’t able (or isn’t allowed) to make her own decisions. Not right at all.
December 31st, 2008 at 11:21 am
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 30th, 2008 at 11:18 pm
Yes. You are right Steel. I have met that loon myself, “I control everything. I threw this party, I paid for everything!” Yes, and you are now on how many lines of coke old man?
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AM, our views on Lutfi are probably a lot closer than you think!
December 31st, 2008 at 11:28 am
SM thanks for the FU.
I went downstairs and should have said good night but glad I didn’t because you wrote and explored without interruption.
Good morning all.
I don’t know if there is still a court review today or not or if it was scheduled out to Feb or March.
December 31st, 2008 at 11:34 am
AM, it appears as if I may have a small “Call of Duty” tourney to attend tonight. Seeing as I tend to get my @ss kicked by a 5-year old on that game, I’ll likely be pushed to observer status for the majority of the night.
Perhaps I’ll PHT (print, highlight, think) over Singapore Slings while pretending to watch from he sidelines.
And after that? BACK TO WORK! I have festival deadlines to hit! LOL
December 31st, 2008 at 11:40 am
SM – JFX also covered that time period extensively. It is interesting by comparison.
It wouldn’t surprise me at all if Navarre still gets phone calls or texts from Sam. From the Atlantic program posted by MH, it seemed she was his confidante and there were things he told her she had never put in print.
I think she said that Sam knew she wouldn’t alter the story but put the story out there that he wanted. That’s what I got out of what she said. He knew he could talk to her.
Navarre obviously made $$ out of it but either she too was a sucker to his charms, or she rationalized her relationship and prints to the side of the good.
As you look through old X stories, look for “our source.” I think that’s what she said she credited him as.
December 31st, 2008 at 11:47 am
Amapola Says:
December 31st, 2008 at 6:49 am
SM_, you once told that you have learn from working in a project (?) together (?) with a brilliant lawyer from a social justice law firm, “to flip around and look at it from angles that I never would´ve thougt of.”
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Yes, and I guess that’s what I’m trying to do with this. Look at this from a Social Justice perspective, by flipping the story around and looking at it from angles that nobody else has ever thought of.
And I’m not doing it on behalf of anybody – just doing it because I was bored with the project I was working on and was trying to keep my mind sharp! LOL
It seems like there’s a lot of smart people who post here, which is why I enjoy it. We seem to all have different opinions/agendas/outlooks on all of this, but that’s cool, because it means I can “cherry pick” the information and opinions I’m reading and put it all together myself. (A great teacher once told me that, “The best film directors take everyone else’s great ideas and use them as their own.” She also said, “There’s no such thing as an original idea,” and that the most important thing is to just, “TELL THE STORY.” And I think she’s probably right on all accounts.)
Anyways, what I’m getting at is that just because, e.g. MT says something that I agree with, doesn’t mean that I’m going to hang on his every word. But he’s given us some great advice and some great information (that happens to jive with what I already felt about a lot of things), so I do enjoy talking to him. And you’ve also given some great advice and great information, too…So I think I’m kind of taking in a bit of both and coming in somewhere in between.
If that makes sense?
December 31st, 2008 at 11:49 am
Why are there inaccuracies in X’s 3 day reporting?
December 31st, 2008 at 11:54 am
Oh, no, not inaccuracies in X’s reporting…more like inaccuracies in Lynn’s reporting, as illustrated by X’s photos.
I don’t really believe anything I read in X’s text – there’s not a lot of “journalism” involved in the captions that are written under the photos. But if you were to plot out X’s photos (or any other pap agency’s photos) on a little timeline, and then lay Lynn’s declaration/book statments over top…they don’t exactly jive!
December 31st, 2008 at 11:56 am
AM, if you’re asking why there might actually be inaccuracies in X’s reporting…I would think it might be because they were “in bed” with a certain little worm, and were trying to cover their butts over it??
December 31st, 2008 at 12:10 pm
AM, Remember how you pointed me out to JFX’s report of what was going on during the second 5150? That was the first time I’d seen that!
Up until I made an appearance here in April, I’d never visited this site. I’d pretty much followed the story on X (not solely, but they had 100x as much coverage as any other site, so I tended to stay on there to watch it all unfold).
And I wasn’t just watching B’s story unfold, but was moreso watching how X handled the story as it unfolded. And it was quite a sight to be seen!
So when I refer back to X’s three days of coverage, that’s why. They were updating so often that it was just nuts! (I think they’ve wisely deleted some of the posts since then…But who knows…)
December 31st, 2008 at 12:53 pm
Steel. I was talking more about inaccuracies such as being taken back to the UCLA Medical Center. That was her first visit to UCLA. The first 5150 was Cedar Sinai. The intention however was to take her to UCLA — remember the ambulance was rerouted?
There is also their label of “manic episode.”
She wasn’t at the hospital for a week.
8 p.m. A & B went back to meet with Britney’s psychiatrist? I’d like to hear that from Adnan.
So yes, the story is their version and covering their trail.
It’s interesting to have the comparison between JFX and X17. I think Finalpixx covered part of the day too didn’t they?
December 31st, 2008 at 12:54 pm
p.s. Lynne was quoting what Sam said to her or what she thought he had said to her. ?
December 31st, 2008 at 1:05 pm
AM, Here’s what I’m slowly coming to realize…
EVERYBODY’S LYING!!
Nobody seems to be telling the straight truth…But I guess that’s what makes all of thi