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Audio: Britney Spears Calls For Help

brit-borderedHi, Jordan Miller from BreatheHeavy.com here.

Since I can’t write about Britney Spears on my own website due to censorship claims of copyright infringement, I will take the opportunity to speak out on a separate site.

More after the jump….

The world needs to know that Jamie Spears is controlling Britney through this conservatorship.

JFX obtained an “alleged” voicemail left by Britney Spears, on January 21, 2009, at 12:29 a.m., contesting the conservatorship, saying she worries her father Jamie will take her kids away from her.

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“Hi my name’s Britney Spears. I called you earlier. I’m calling again because I just wanted to make sure that during the process of eliminating the conservatorship that my father has threatened me several times, you know, he’ll take my children away.

I just want to be guaranteed that everything will be fine with the process of you guys taking care of everything that things will stay the same as far as my custodial time. That’s it, bye.”

Stay tuned for a third voice message soon.

FREE BRITNEY!

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Author: Ronnie

796 Replies to “Audio: Britney Spears Calls For Help”

  1. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    You guys never cease to amaze me! LOL

    Jordan, I love your site. I noticed the minute it was taken down because I go to it for all my Britney news. It’s very well done! You’re an excellent writer, and have a great career ahead of you!

    That being said…BE CAREFUL! Take care of yourself!!

    Okay, now I gotta listen to these…

  2. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Question…

    Is there someone who the media can talk to about all of this who can break it down for them in a simple way?

    I have a feeling you guys are going to get a flood of calls and hits to your site, but the new visitors aren’t going to be able to put events and dates together in a way that some of the regular JFX and BH posters can. It would be great if there was a lawyer or someone who could speak about this…

  3. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Just to add some context:

    Jan. 3/09 – Britney arrives at Peninsula Hotel (Video at X17)

    Jan. 10/09 – Sam Lutfi contacts Jamie Spears via IM and cell phone (See court documents)

    Jan. 21/09 – Britney leaves voicemails claiming she’d like to eliminate the conservatorship (See above video)

    Jan. 21/09 – Tabloid reports reveal that Brit stayed at the Peninsula Hotel recently for “several days.” (While her stuff was moved from The Summit to Calabasas?)

    Jan. 22/09 – X17 pap beaten by Brit’s bodyguards at the Montage Hotel. (Video at X17)

    Jan. 30/09 – TRO’s are issued against Lutfi and Adnan Ghalib. (See court documents.)

  4. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Some related court documents:

    http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/Britney SpearsTRO2.pdf

  5. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    You’ll have to copy and paste that entire link for it to work.

    P.S. The Jan. 22/09 entry in the timeline above does not have anything to do with this story directly. But I left it in there for a reason.

    P.S.S. Jordan, please be careful.

    P.S.S.S. Ronnie and crew, please look out for Jordan. He’s very young and doesn’t have the experience behind him that you older folks do.

  6. gigi Says:

    Steel It might not have anything to do with this story directly but then again you never know. It might have a lot to do with it.

  7. Fantasy Says:

    I understand Britney’s fear that her dad would take her kids away. Would he be able to do that without her consent though?
    I know that she’s a conservatee but she’s still the living, biological mother of Sean and Jayden.

    Jamie does everything on Britney’s behalf. He acts as though he is her.
    Suppose Jamie/Britney voluntarily consents to relinquish all parental rights to the boys.
    Kevin would then be the kids only parent.

    Britney wouldn’t have the ability to participate in their lives at all.
    But she would still have to continue to pay Kevin child support until Jayden completes high school or turns 18 years old. Whatever would come first.

    Her dad can’t take the kids away.
    If the c-ship ends she would have to go through the family court and ask for custody of some sort.
    If the family court judge says no, he would still have to allow her to have access to the kids through monitored visitations. That exactly what she has now.

    The judge could cut her visitation time back from whatever it is now. But she’d still be able to see them. I understand her concern.
    But she doesn’t really have to worry about that.

  8. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    People also need to think about WHO Britney is speaking to when she left this message. She refers to “you guys.” I’m ASSuming she’s speaking to a law firm…

    A law firm meant to replace her court-appointed attorney, Samuel D. Ingham III. Am I right to assume this? Someone please correct me if I’m wrong.

  9. Fantasy Says:

    Isn’t it Jon Eardley’s office that she called and left messages to?
    Didn’t she say that name in the first audio tape that we heard?
    I can’t remember. Any link to the first tape?

  10. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    I’m unclear as to whether or not Britney was leaving the messages at Eardley’s office, Anderson’s office or someone else. However, she DID mention Eardley in the last message posted.

    A bit of background:

    http://www.breatheheavy.com/index.php?subaction=showfull&id=1235176845&archive=&start_from=&ucat=&

  11. Fantasy Says:

    I listened to the audio of the first tape.
    She said that she wanted Jon Eardley and John Patterson to represent her as co-appointed attorneys.
    That’s from Jan.19 @ 1:34am.

  12. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Well, all I gotta say to Jamie at this point is…

    Meeeeeerrrry Christmas!!

    Oh Jamie…You remind me so much of my own dad. I really do think you saved your daughter from death, and I commend you for that. But at some point you’ve gotta take a step back from this and re-consider how you’re handling this situation right now. It’s okay to admit when you’re wrong, and it’s okay to change your mind about all of this. And I do send virtual hugs your way…Just ’cause I know my own dad would handle this situation the very same way as you are!

  13. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    http://perezhilton.com/2009-03-30-britney-my-dad-has-threatened-me

  14. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    http://www.tmz.com/2009/03/30/britney-at-the-sound-of-the-beep-help-me/

  15. MH Says:

    The first audio message released…for those of you that may not have heard it.

    http://www.jfxonline.com/jfxonline/2009/02/24/audio-the-message/

  16. nosey Says:

    Careful guys!

  17. nosey Says:

    Jamie Spears seems to be sue happy!!!

  18. Margo1983 Says:

    I’m sorry but I don’t think that it sounds like her. Why is she calling a lawyer at midnight? I’m so tired of people talking crap about Jamie Spears. If it wasn’t for him, Britney would probably be dead right now. It may seem like he’s taken drastic measures but Britney wouldn’t have the custody she has now if it weren’t for all the things that he’s done for her. I think that after the tour is over with that they should revisit the idea of letting Britney out of the conservertorship but only if a judge feels that she can handle being on her own. People may see Jamie as a money hungry person but I see him as a dad who would do anything to protect his daugther. Jordan bitches about how much he’s paid to handle Britney’s affairs but when you look at everything that he’s involved in that really isn’t that much money. If she hired people to do everything that he’s doing it would be much more than what he’s being paid. People say that he should be doing that for free but if he can’t work because he’s so busy taking care of things for her, then I don’t see why he shouldn’t be paid for that. As for Breatheheavy being shut down, I think there’s more to the story than what Jordan is letting on.

  19. MH Says:

    Margo1983 Says: March 30th, 2009 at 1:29 pm Britney wouldn’t have the custody she has now if it weren’t for all the things that he’s done for her.

    FYI…Britney has zero custody of her children. She has monitored (by her father) visitation.

  20. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Margo, I agree with everything you say about Jamie. I think his heart is in the right place…He’s just being so damn over-protective of Brit that she feels like she’s suffocating.

    I do believe that is Britney’s voice on the recording – according to the court documents, a nanny (I think) caught her talking on the pre-paid cell late at night (so as not to be overheard by others). The phone was later found when security searched her purse. (I may add that if I ever caught any male going through MY purse, heads would roll. What a complete and utter invasion of privacy! No wonder Brit wants out of this situation – no privacy, no friends her own age…How is she supposed to start acting like an adult when she’s talked to and treated like a child?)

    That being said…

    Jordan and Adnan…Has it ever occurred to you that Britney is using you? I realize you want to “save” her, but at this point, it seems like the only person who can save Britney is…herself.

    Now I’m going to shut up…’Cause I realize I’ve got way to much to say!

  21. Margo1983 Says:

    Either way MH, Britney see’s her childern more now than she was seeing them. So what if she’s being monitored by her father? It’s better for her so have someone looking over her with her childern than to not see them at all.

  22. MH Says:

    Margo, Just trying to keep the facts straight, that’s all.

  23. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    I lied, I’m back…One more thought (that is, until the next one…LOL)

    Compare these two statements:

    “Hi my name’s Britney Spears. I called you earlier. I’m calling again because I just wanted to make sure that during the process of eliminating the conservatorship that my father has threatened me several times, you know, he’ll take my children away.”

    and

    MH Says:
    March 30th, 2009 at 1:59 pm

    …Britney has zero custody of her children. She has monitored (by her father) visitation.

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    Britney can’t lose something she never had to begin with. This shows some irrational thinking on Britney’s part. If she ELIMINATES the conservatorship, she will lose her visitation rights. Her father has not decided this – the courts have.

    This kind of thinking tells me she still needs to be under a conservatorship (though not with Jamie being the conservator of her person. Perhaps an independent person, e.g. a life coach, would be best.)

    I think you guys are going to have to come up with more than this to convince the general public that she needs to be “free.” JMHO.

  24. Carmela333 Says:

    Brilliant.

    Gutsy.

  25. small hands Says:

    Steel, she can’t get something she wants if she is still under a c-ship. What I mean is Yes, she can’t lose something she doesn’t have…custody, but she also can’t get custody if she is still under a c-ship. And I believe she will still have visitation if her father is no longer in charge.
    It is a sad situation all around. It would have been nice if her parents had been there for her a long ass time ago, then they wouldn’t be at this point.
    Take care of Jordan for us JFX, he is only a kid.
    And Margo, you are kidding yourself if you really believe the c-ship will be lifted once the tour is over. I’m sure that thought/idea was planted to appease some fans who are so easily swayed.

  26. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Small, I guess what I’m saying is that it looks like there definitely needs to be a change here, but that *eliminating* the conservatorship isn’t necessarily it.

    It looks like Britney is thinking like this:

    Conservator (Jamie) > Eliminate Conservatorship > Keep Visitation

    …When maybe it should be like this:

    Conservator (Jamie) > Conservator (Life Coach/Independent Person) > Eliminate Conservatorship > Keep Visitation

    Does that make sense?

    I’m thinking Jamie needs to step aside at this point, allow someone else to fill that role, and then when she’s proven to the psychologists (and Kevin’s lawyers) she’s ready, THEN make the transition and eliminate the conservatorship while keeping visitation.

  27. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Put another way…

    Baby steps…baby steps!

  28. doc1955 Says:

    Too Obvious.

    Yet Hilarious.

    Sorry Carms.

  29. doc1955 Says:

    My bad.

    Almost forgot.

    Free Britney.

  30. Amapola Says:

    Well I sure not cry for this “poor young child Jordan”.
    I have never make a statment about how bad Sam Lutfi treated Britney.

    He, Jordan, who clamied he only was a Britney fan, (he was once just that, a fan, later she turn to be his project, his ticket to other work..) never question the way Sam Lutfi show up Brintey when she was down and full of his treatment = The psycho bla bla and the pills!

    Why did Jordan NEVER said that he did not liked what Sam Lutfi did?
    I strongly belive Jordan now as much about Britneys situation as other persons, but it was Adnan who make the alarm call to Britneys mother!
    Not Jordan Miller or Sam Lutfi!

    Its wrong to keep a mother and young women under such a long c-ship, its wrong against her and her kids.
    Its wrong that people who most of all look after their own interest, have taken control ower her life.
    I cant understand why not the family court help her to get an other person, who she not have so mixed feeling about, to be a “c-ship” kind of person until the family court do a FREE from Jamie Spears,(or any other in the family, who Britney dont want to deal with), investigation of the situation.
    As for now.
    1. Jamie Spears and his lawyer team
    2. Leber, the Jamies Spears similar form the record company
    3. K-Feds lawyer team
    4. All other who not get a paycheck if she would be a free person again, lots of people, who not have a job if Britney gets free.
    I dont think they have her best interest in their minds.
    I think they look after sign, who are normal, but can be turned to look strange.
    Britney have no longer the freedom to her own personality.
    She are forced to act like a robot.

    Thank you Jamie Spears & Co, its enough now, thank you. Goodbye.

    And Jordan Miller or Sam Lutfisk crocodile tears I do not buy.
    are the ones who take all her self estime away.
    And treat her like a money cow.

    Is it only old man who have the power in US?

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    I have no possibility to check if I have spell all the words right, hope its readable.

  31. Amapola Says:

    correction:
    As for now.
    1. Jamie Spears and his lawyer team
    2. Leber, the Jamies Spears similar form the record company
    3. K-Feds lawyer team
    4. All other who not get a paycheck if she would be a free person again, lots of people, who not have a job if Britney gets free are the ines who take her self-confidence and soon all her self esteem away.
    Why shall she trust them? The dont work for her. She have to pay, but they dont work for her.

    And Jordan Miller or Sam Lutfi´s crocodile tears I do not buy.

    Why is no women standing up for Britneys Spears rights?
    Are there only male who have the power in US?
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    I have no possibility to check if I have spell all the words right.

  32. Amapola Says:

    more correction:
    Amapola Says:
    March 30th, 2009 at 5:14 pm Well I sure not cry for this “poor young child Jordan”.
    HE, Jordan, have never make a statment about how bad Sam Lutfi treated Britney.
    I have ask him why, but he never answer.

  33. small hands Says:

    Steel I get you :)

    If Jamie Spears is stripped of his current role, who says he can’t still be their for Britney as a supportive father. That would be a nice thought.
    Hi Doc :)

    Laters :)

  34. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Well, having grown up with an ultra over-protective father, I would tell the father’s of the world this…

    Instill in your daughters good morals when they are young. Then give them losts of space and let them make their own decisions and make their own mistakes. Otherwise, they will resent you and will purposely rebel the rest of their lives, trying to PROVE to you that you don’t control them!

    Jamie might just be shocked at what might happen if he allows someone else to fill his role as the conservator of her person (’cause he can still stay the conservator of her estate…) She might just respect him so much for believing in her and giving her that space that she might begin to see him in a whole new light.

  35. KLM Says:

    Doc … not outloud. shhhh

    Hey everyone!

  36. cawmom Says:

    I have been a reader of Breatheheavy for some time now and I can honestly say that I am happy for the steps that Jamie has taken to protect his child. I do not know the full details of Britney’s life or what she is capable or not capable of doing. I will say that JORDAN MILLER constantly talks bad about Kevin Federline and Jamie Spears for taking Britney’s money but his site is making money off of Britney. AND he has the audacity for ask for donations!! Are you kidding me?!?! You are going to ask the readers to pay you to read your lies? I honestly went to the site for pictures and not to actually read the captions. But you made money off of Britney and you say it is for magazine scans. I believe you made a lot of money from the ads on your site and you only put a few magazine scans on there. So you are using her just like everyone else is. He is so negative and pretends to know everything. Jordan needs to be a FAN and not a STAN. You keep people down. Leave Brintey alone and realize who your associates are, Osama Lufti. I believe that he was the one who was ordered to stay away from Brit and now it’s happening to you. Plus you talked so much mess about Adnan…tell me if i’m wrong but isn’t this website/agency that he worked for? Didn’t you talk shit about this website and the exclusive pics they got of Britney and Adnan? Wow!!! Your great Jordan. Just wonderful.

  37. lalalala Says:

    I don’t really care if it’s her or not. She can whine all she want, but she’s not getting out of it, just because Britney wants something, doesn’t mean she should get it.
    Threatening to take the kids away? He’s not threatening, he’s telling her what will happen if she ignores the courts and doctors advice. Kevin will NOT allow her to have the kids like she’s getting them now if she starts back to the way she was before the conservatorship.
    It’s really none of Jordan’s business to be involved in “fighting” this conservatorship. Again…it’s nobody’s fucking business..

    Though this made me lol

    “The world needs to know that Jamie Spears is controlling Britney through this conservatorship.”

    No shit Jordan….

  38. lalalala Says:

    2 years ago you told anyone who would listen what a sketchball Adnan & JFX was and they hated you so much they wouldn’t even let you post pictures from their website. Do you really think that partnering with a paparazzi website is the best way to be taken seriously?

  39. lalalala Says:

    There is no doubt that Britney is better.But Britney’s inability to understand the legal system is what fucked up her custody battle in the first place.She chose not to follow the judge’s instructions(cf: custody court documents, driving without a license, etc.)She is not above the law and that seems to have been a hard lesson for her to learn..and now she has to pay for it. It really is that simple.

    She has a huge legal mess in front of her – her lawsuit with Johnny Wright is still pending, and in a lot of ways, it is in her best interests for her father to handle this messy stuff so that she doesn’t have to sit in front of multiple judges and juries and explain to them why she lost her shit three years ago.

    We all want the best for Britney but sketchy journalism is not the answer. We do not know what happened between closed doors..and it’s nobody’s fucking business..

  40. lalalala Says:

    The MAIN THING that I noticed that really stuck me as just downright WEIRD was how all the rest of Britney’s fans, without exception as far as I know, hated Sam Lutfi for what he has done and is still doing to hurt Britney, yet I never saw Jordan say anything except defend him or remain silent even as more and more allegations were revealed on how Sam basically tortured Britney for his amusement.Jordan didn’t even say a word when Sam recently sued Britney, because YES, SAM FILED A LAWSUIT AGAINST BRITNEY SPEARS FOR MONEY… a LOT of money. His rent was overdue and he needed some cash. And STILL Jordan didn’t say a bad word against him. Didn’t mock him or rage against him. NOTHING. Yet Jordan harps nonstop against someone as sweet as Brett for NO REASON. That strikes me as very WEIRD. Jordan bitches about Jamie being paid for running a Britney’s empire under the strict supervision of the courts, while he also takes care of Britney.But Sam suing Britney is somehow “OK”? How can that possibly be rationalized?

  41. Carmela333 Says:

    Like a movie review, huh Doc.

  42. gigi Says:

    yep just like a movie review.

    lalalala this is a pg site. Keep it pg or face our exterminator.

    TeamAdnan

  43. caramia Says:

    Some of you seem to be operating under the mistaken assumption that if the conservatorship goes out the window thus does Britney’s visitation/custodial rights. That is not how it works! Sure, she might have someone from cps monitoring her time with the children for the first few months but so long as she shows they are not in any foreseeable danger and she doesn’t present instability, monitorization will slowly halt.

    ‘Visitation’ will not come to a screeching halt nor should it backpedal even when the conservatorship ends so long as Britney doesn’t backslide as the conservatorship will only end when it is proven to a panel of medical professionals that she is capable of being on her own without high risk of sliding back into dangerous territory. She won’t or shouldn’t, as the courts have been know to get it wrong especially in California and Florida, be penalized because she is found capable of handling her own affairs.

  44. caramia Says:

    She has a huge legal mess in front of her – her lawsuit with Johnny Wright is still pending, and in a lot of ways, it is in her best interests for her father to handle this messy stuff so that she doesn’t have to sit in front of multiple judges and juries and explain to them why she lost her shit three years ago.

    Not really truth be told. Yes she is being sued but there are two ways around it. A. It has been stated and essentially etched into stone legally that an undue influence was controlling Ms. Spears for quite some time. Payment was missed, forgotten, misplaced, withheld, whatever during that time. Thanks to the conservatorship, declarations, and TRO’s Britney is essentially in and of herself off the hook. Now, she will still likely have to pay whatever is backowed, but the likelihood of being penalized ie: people getting ‘extra’ for the hassle, expense, loss wage, whatever is slim as medical and legal documents show that it wasn’t Ms. Spears that caused the hassle; Being as during that period of time she was subject to strong outside forces that took over her life to the point where ever legal and medical document essentially states she had no knowledge/understanding or way to ‘combat’ the situation until the courts stepped in.

  45. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    caramia Says:
    March 30th, 2009 at 10:42 pm

    Sure, she might have someone from cps monitoring her time with the children for the first few months but so long as she shows they are not in any foreseeable danger and she doesn’t present instability, monitorization will slowly halt

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    So are you saying that there would need to be…a transition phase? Because if that’s what you’re saying, that’s kind of what I’m saying, too.

    I might just have to print up a T-shirt that says “Team Transition Phase.”

    Ronnie, watch for the photos in your mailbox.

  46. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    I would like a few of those ‘Team Transition Phase’ shirts Ronnie. If I could get 2 small whites. It’s time for me and Uli to put them on. LOL

  47. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    If you step back and look at this…

    Britney has all these men fighting over a piece of her right now.

    Jamie vs. Jordan vs. Adnan vs. Lutfi vs. Larry vs. K-Fed vs. Bryan vs. Kaplan vs. Twain vs. Lawyers vs. Maloofs vs. Fred Durst vs…

    And the list goes on and on.

    So what would happen if all you men just stepped aside and let a bunch of women run the show? Where would this story be right now?

  48. caramia Says:

    Certainly there will have to be a transitional period where everyone will have to adjust.Everyone around her is going to have doubts, not like some decisions she makes on her own (it IS bound to happen…it does with everyone in transitional phases), and for sure think, and in some sad cases hope, that she fails at being able to be in control of her life. No, that is not me being bitter, hateful, or spiteful towards everyone who helped Britney turn the corner in her life; it’s years of experience with these situations.

    You can bet there are some on Britney’s team who do not want the conservatorship to end, not necessarily for monetary reasons, but because being ‘needed’, ‘helpful’, ‘essential’, and the like is addicting and at this point every single person on the personal team feels every one of those things. That’s where the transitional phase comes in, not just for Britney, but for every single ‘key player’ in her life. They’ll have to learn to step back eventually, to not automatically jump in and cry ’she’s backsliding’ at the first decision they don’t like and to truly, truly listen to what she is saying she wants…not assume that they know what is best for her and tough luck. It will be hard on Ms. Spears too as that first rush of ‘complete’ freedom can knock you on your rear after so much time spent abiding and ‘protected’ by everyone else’s idea of what is best. You can’t help but question yourself and every action, decision, and thought that runs thru your mind. And there will be fear on her part, likely lots of it too. It’s easy to believe that everyone else knows what is best when things go from ugly to nice with their help so there is a risk of being/becoming overly dependent emotionally and mentally on your support, even after you are legally declared able and fit.

    It’s a cycle and a delicate balance that has to be played properly by all parties for Ms. Spears to be a happy, healthy, well adjusted, able, capable adult which is the goal everyone involved should be actively working towards. No one should be looking for ways to circumvent the current conservatorship order but neither should anyone be looking for ways to extend it past what is necessary and legal.

  49. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    I hate to sound like a babbling buffoon (LOL), but there seems to be a whole lot of surging testosterone going on right now. A lot of black and white thinking. A lot of “I’m right, you’re wrong” kinda stuff…

    When really, shouldn’t Sean P. and Jayden be the focus of everything, and what’s best for THEM? Short term and long term? Screw Britney – she’s an adult. She’s their mum. If she has to sacrifice for a while, so be it. That’s what good mums do for their children.

  50. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    And by “sacrifice,” I mean that she owes it to her boys to be a happy, healthy, well adjusted, able, capable adult. And if she has to ride out this conservatorship or (preferably) a transitional phase for a while longer, so be it.

    I’ve just got this stupid little idea in my head that once you commit to being a mother, that’s it – you’ve made the commitment. And you owe it to your kids to be a role model. JMHO.

  51. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    And while I’m on a roll here…Cause I’m sure at this point Brit’s management and lawyers are monitoring this thread…

    An open letter to Jive and Larry Rudolph…

    Larry, you SUCK. You wanna know why I love Breatheheavy so much? Because Britney’s official Web site is so damn lame. First, she’s 27-years old…How am I, as a person in my 30’s, supposed to be a fan of her when her Web site looks like it’s geared towards a bunch of tweenies? What an insult to my intelligence it is to visit there! If I wanted to know how to dress like Brit, I’d watch one of her videos MYSELF – I don’t need one of “Britney’s Bitches” to tell me how to do it. And can’t you hire anyone who can update that thing a little more often? I mean, if Perez can manage to update his blog all the time, surely you can find someone to update Britney’s? And geez, quit with the faux Twitter updates. You’d have a really hard time convincing me right now that Britney has ANYTHING to do with making decisions about her own Web site, let alone the rest of her career.

    Plus, Larry and Jive, you’ve set Britney up to fail. You built an image for her…a “brand”…that could not possibly sustain her through a long career. It’s great that you all made a bunch of money off her and all, but it won’t be long before, due to her age, she won’t fit the “brand” anymore. And then what? I’ve got this feeling that the reason Jamie and Lynn have pushed Britney so hard all these years is that you, Larry and Jive, have been whispering in their ears to do it. So I kind of put a lot of the blame for Britney’s problems right now on YOU and your greedy little business decisions.

    Okay, now that I got THAT off my chest…time for my second morning coffee.

  52. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    There’s number three:

    http://perezhilton.com/2009-03-31-britney-thinks-youre-a-bitch

    And I rest my case as to why she’s not ready to be “free.” And why touring this soon was a bad idea. (So yes, Jamie and Adnan, you’re BOTH right!!) Someone seems to be loosing herself in the music and forgetting where she is. Which is fine, and I love her for it. But this tour goes until June and I predict these little blurt outs will start increasing with time.

    And I predict that if that starts happening, MH, you’re little prediction will come true.

    Funny how this is all panning out.

  53. Carmela333 Says:

    henh. That’s why we are a pair. Defense v. prosecution.

  54. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Super sleuths. On the case.

  55. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    I’m just wondering how we made the leap from this:

    “MARK TWAIN Says:
    November 9th, 2008 at 4:47 pm

    It’s time to remove the father as a conservator and be placed as an adviser if he really fits the bill. A new conservator and co-conservator needs to placed. A balance so her basic rights are not violated by the very people who may now have total control of her. That duty falls in the hands of her court appointed attorney. Only problem with that is how many have fallen in the band wagon to keep her in place so everyone can keep their position. The Judge must be on top of this at all times and should receive reports on a daily basis. My biggest question has to be if Britney’s voice been heard. Are her questions being answered correctly. When will she have her day where she can ask the Judge directly with questions she may have that someone else might have distorted the truth to keep her from understanding her basic constitutional rights under her current situation. At the position she is in under a prison like invirorment who does she really trust. Every move she makes is watched. Her closest people around her would be her assistant who are basically spies for the dad. Can you really say that at this point, Britney trust anyone in her own camp. Britney cant even use a computer. Cant watch the news. Anyone ever wondered is she even wanted to vote?”

    to this:

    FREE BRITNEY!!

    …Cause they’re not really the same thing. At least not in my books. The first I can buy into. The second is…jumping the shark.

  56. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Just from doing some reading around at other places, I’m getting the impression that this is what happened…

    Britney agreed to a tour.
    Then Britney got cold feet, because although she was having fun practicing for the tour (since she loves to dance and perform), she was afraid to leave her boys for extended periods of time.
    So not long before Christmas, Britney started panicking.
    Then, instead of doing the PROPER thing, and speaking to the Commissioner about her fears, she went behind her father’s back and started calling Adnan instead.
    Then Adnan, naturally, wanted to help her. Who could blame him?
    And so things started happening in January. TRO’s were issued.
    Then the tour started in March. Britney may (or may not) have realized that she had nothing to be afraid of. She’s now performing in front of crowds (which she loves), making mad cash, and seeing her boys as much, or even more, than she was before.
    And maybe now, looking back, Britney regrets doing what she did. Because not only did she make herself look bad to Kevin’s lawyers and possibly her doctors (for not doing the PROPER thing, and being sneaky instead of truthful), but she got Adnan in trouble too. Possibly big trouble.
    And here we are today.

    This little timeline may not be true at all, it’s just kind of what I’ve gathered from reading around the Net.

    I forget now what I was originally getting at with this…But give me time and I’m sure it’ll eventually come to me…

  57. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Okay, now I remember what I was getting at…

    I was just wondering if the best way for Britney to become “free” is for her to prove to her doctors and prove to the Commissioner that she understands that she has to follow the rules just like everyone else.

    These audio files are just telling me that she hasn’t quite come to terms with that fact yet. And they’re telling me that she still needs to stay under the C-Ship until she can prove she understands this.

    Yes, these tapes make Adnan look better, because they prove that Britney was a very willing party to all of this. Possibly even an instigator! But in a way they actually make Britney look worse, because they verify that she’s not completely better. They verify she’s still subject to undue influence. Or maybe SHE is the undue influence! I don’t know.

    So…

    Does that make me the defense or the prosecution?!

  58. gigi Says:

    To me the audio tapes say that she has been threatened by her dad. He tells her he will take away the kids and she has no way of knowing he wont or he can’t. He has her on lockdown so how is she to know for sure he can’t do that. Do you really think his attorneys will tell her that or do you think they will do what pops tells them to do and back him up.

  59. small hands Says:

    I’m not buying that Steel.
    At this point it is up to her to get out of this thing, but if she feels threatened, will she really try to get out of it? I doubt it.
    All of this is making my head hurt.

  60. small hands Says:

    Jordan, if you reading this, you can always rename your site to bullsh!t. I think it’s pretty clever. :)

  61. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    I need to clarify something…

    When I refer to the tapes making Britney look worse, I’m not referring to the CONTENT of the tapes, I’m referring to the METHOD in which they were obtained.

    I didn’t realize until recently that it was Adnan who took Britney to see Adam Streisand. (As well as it appears that Britney also conducted a three way call with John Eardley, Lutfi and possibly Felipe. This call was recorded and provided to Brandy at X17 and OK Magazine. This call happened shortly after the C-Ship was put in place.)

    In both cases, Britney was unable to hire either Eardley or Streisand because the C-Ship had ALREADY been put in place. She missed her chance by mere days! That meant she was no longer able to retain counsel without going through Jamie & Ingham.

    So…What made her think, in January 2009, that she’d be able to hire Eardley & Anderson (referred to in the audio clip as Patterson), if she’d already been told twice before that she could not hire new counsel without going through the proper process?

    This shows me that she’s not GETTING it. There’s a process in place, and she’s trying to go around it. So yes, now she’s let the world know (via these tapes) that she wants out, but what she’s not doing is establishing that she’s well enough to have the C-Ship eliminated in the first place.

    Am I wrong about this? Because I’m referring specifically to the legal aspect of a conservatorship. I’m not a lawyer – this is just what I’m pieced together from reading at various Web sites. So someone please correct me if I’m wrong.

  62. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Attempt No. 1 at hiring new counsel:

    http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1580917/20080204/spears_britney.jhtml

  63. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Attempt No. 2 at hiring new counsel:

    http://www.hollyscoop.com/britney-spears/something-fishy-going-on-in-britneys-world_14750.aspx

  64. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Attempt No. 3 at hiring new counsel:

    http://www.jfxonline.com/britney-spears/2009/03/31/audio-britney-spears-calls-for-help/

  65. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    And then we have this report leading up to Attempt No. 3:

    “Bottom line — she doesn’t like her dad as her conservator, but as someone put it, “she likes others even less.” On Friday, we’re told Britney was complaining about Jamie in court to the Commish — to the point where she called Brit into chambers with one of the lawyers and spoke with Britney for 45 minutes.”

    http://www.tmz.com/2008/11/24/britney-wants-daddy-to-lay-off/

  66. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    So what I’m saying is, if she wants to hire new counsel to replace Ingham, she HAS to follow the process. It’s the only way. Otherwise, she’s just shooting herself in the foot.

  67. MH Says:

    http://www.poorbritney.com/blog/?p=6386

  68. Ronnie Says:

    Steel, what is the process for hiring new counsel?

  69. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Ronnie, this is why I asked right at the start if there was some lawyer out there who can speak about this.

    The answer: I don’t know. I’m not a lawyer.

    There seems to be a lot of talk and opinions on this, but none of them appear to be rooted in the law. And that’s the problem.

  70. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Question…

    If Britney tried twice to hire new counsel, and was shot down both times, what did she do differently this time around?

  71. Ronnie Says:

    Very good questions. Maybe some day they’ll get answered.

  72. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    I hope so!

    It would be nice to find a solution to all of this that doesn’t involve anyone digging themselves into a deeper legal hole than they already are.

    E.g. I hope Jordan reads the article that MH just posted. It was interesting!

  73. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Holy, I’ve got run-of-the-mouth…I KNOW!!

    I’m just sitting here working, and typing comments while I wait for things to render…Skip if you find them boring.

    Anyways…

    I’ve been here for a year now. So, Ronnie, think of me as a little slice out of the population. If I’M wondering these things or thinking these things, there’s gotta be other people out there thinking the same thing, too.

    But here’s what I can’t figure out…Why was this story such a dud? It popped and fizzled out almost immediately. A bit of coverage on Perez, TMZ…but barely got mentioned anywhere else. I was kinda shocked.

    Why is nobody talking about this?

    I’m wondering if the story is so legally complex that the average person can’t see what’s going on. I’ve actually asked around and talked to people about what they think of this story, and the average person just kind of scrunches up their nose at me and shrugs and changes the subject. They just don’t GET it.

    But why?

  74. Linda Says:

    I’ve seen other outlets mention the story but they did not credit JFX. There have to be legal precedents for overturning a conservatorship. I doubt this is the first time something like this has happened.

  75. Amapola Says:

    “Steel_Magnolia Says:
    March 31st, 2009 at 5:59 pm I need to clarify something…
    When I refer to the tapes making Britney look worse, I’m not referring to the CONTENT of the tapes, I’m referring to the METHOD in which they were obtained.
    I didn’t realize until recently that it was Adnan who took Britney to see Adam Streisand. (As well as it appears that Britney also conducted a three way call with John Eardley, Lutfi and possibly Felipe. This call was recorded and provided to Brandy at X17 and OK Magazine. This call happened shortly after the C-Ship was put in place.) ”

    Steel_

    I, in that time, saw it in this way:
    Sam Lutfi, and Sam Lutfi alone, have giving Britney the lawyers name and told her to contact this lawyer.
    Adnan was driving, instead of her, and his drived because it was better he drived then she. (There was a lot of media attations around her, cars and paparazzis and so on..well you all would remember)
    I did not see it like Adnan in any way was the idea maker to contact this lawyer.

  76. missteacher Says:

    WHY does everyone keep talking about the c-ship and the child visitation like Britney has CHOICE in either of these matters? Why are JFX “regs” posting like she can actually do something to change things to make them the way she wants them? Are you guys serious? You have been here every step of the way with this c-ship. You have seen “the Wizard” become “the Wizard”.

    She has no choices here. Yes she looks crazy for what she is doing. She is a caged animal trying anything to get some control in her own life. This conservatorship is crap! How many people, celebrity or not, do you see out there screwing up their lives and swindling away their money? No, that is not what we want for Britney but God created FREE WILL!

    She is a grown woman!! Are we supposed to put every woman out there with a mental illness or who makes poor choices under a c-ship? That is ridiculous!! Yes, she has legal problems and this and that and needs help with them but if her relationship with Daddy was so good and she wanted his help, then he could have done it without forcing her. I understand that she had gotten herself into a mess and needed “saving” and that the c-ship protected her legally from certain entities. But, all the rest of the stuff he is enforcing is extra then…..stuff she didn’t ask for….stuff that was created out of Jamie’s need to be a father to Britney again since he screwed up the first time around. People talk about women having a second childhood….he is making her have a second childhood so he can parent her again.

    The stuff about him threatening her with her children is REAL! No, she doesn’t have custody because Jamie struck that deal with Kevin. Don’t think for a minute that Jamie and Kevin are not “friends” in this whole thing. Kevin has access and control of the most powerful tool in Jamie’s aresenal of control tactics. Jamie has Kevin on the “payroll”!!! They have created this situation with the visitation in Jamie’s favor.

    What Britney wants whoever she is addressing here to know is that when they decide to help her with the c-ship issues, they will also be taking on a new custody battle and they need to be ready for that.

    If Britney appears to be “unraveling” right now….it is out of sheer desperation…she is a “Circus” act at this point…..trapped and forced to bring in the $$$!

  77. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Amapola Says:
    April 1st, 2009 at 7:23 am

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    We’ve done a lot of research over the past year, and some of this stuff is just making sense to me now. It really is like a Rubik’s Cube clicking into place. So that’s why some of this stuff is just dawning on me now.

    Another clarification…

    When Britney was released from the second 5150, it appears she contacted TWO lawyers:

    1/ Adam Streisand (referred to her by Trope and Trope).

    http://www.usmagazine.com/jamie_spears_court_britney_0204

    I had always thought Streisand was some random dude who tried attaching himself to the story to gain notoriety. However, that’s not true. Adnan DID drive her to see Streisand. I don’t blame Adnan for doing this at all, and I don’t blame Britney for trying to get a second opinion on the conservatorship, apart from her father and her new court appointed counsel. I think it was actually wise of her to try to hire Streisand, and I would’ve done the same thing in her position.

    However…

  78. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    When attempts to hire Streisand failed during the first week of February 2008, Britney then appears to have tried again by contacting lawyer No. 2 during the second week of February 2008:

    2/ John Eardley (referred to her by Sam Lutfi)

    http://x17online.com/celebrities/britney_spears/brits_new_lawyer_her_rights_are_being_violated-02182008.php

    It appears this call was tape recorded and the records and/or transcripts were provided to both X17 and OK Magazine.

    Eardley was later told that he could not represent Britney because she had already been placed under conservatorship and was legally unable to hire a lawyer.

  79. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    missteacher Says:
    April 1st, 2009 at 8:13 am

    WHY does everyone keep talking about the c-ship and the child visitation like Britney has CHOICE in either of these matters? Why are JFX “regs” posting like she can actually do something to change things to make them the way she wants them?

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    It sounds like what we need to do is nail down the proper legal steps Britney needs to take to either:

    a) Eliminate the conservatorship, or
    b) Obtain a new conservator who she trusts

    I’m not a lawyer, but as a layperson it looks to me that she is going about this the wrong way. Because now, for a third time, she has been told she is unable to hire new counsel.

    It might be helpful to look at why this last attempt failed. Obviously, something went wrong in January 2009 when she tried for the third time. And to me, the solution would be to nail down how to do it RIGHT so that she doesn’t get shut down the next time she tries.

  80. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    missteacher Says:
    April 1st, 2009 at 8:13 am

    The stuff about him threatening her with her children is REAL! No, she doesn’t have custody because Jamie struck that deal with Kevin.

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    I’m hoping MH will jump in her and correct me if I’m wrong, but I was under the impression that Britney doesn’t have ANY custody rights. She only has monitored visitation. This wasn’t decided by Jamie or Kevin, it was decided by the COURTS. I was under the impression that the deal was then modified by Kevin’s lawyers and Britney’s lawyers to allow for her to tour.

    Even if the conservatorship is eliminated altogether, Britney would still be in the same (if not worse) situation. She would still only have monitored visitation until such a time as the courts decided she could increase this to having some actual custody.

    Maybe I’m wrong, but I had thought that the conservatorship was actually GOOD for her in this case, because at least right now her time with Sean P. and Jayden is being monitored by a family member and not a stranger. (True or false?)

    If I was the boy’s mother, I’d rather them be surrounded by family rather than surrounded by strangers. But maybe that’s just me.

  81. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    A Note:

    Adnan’s Permanent Restraining Order states:

    10. Other Orders (specify): You are prohibited from (1) acting on Ms. Spears’ behalf or purporting to act on her behalf; (2) inducing or assisting any other person to take action on Ms. Spears’ behalf or to purport to take action on her behalf; and (3) filing or inducing or assisting any other person to file legal pleadings that purport to be filed on Ms. Spears behalf.

    …I hope my statement at 8:41 AM is not construed to conflict with this clause. Not my intention. It was for discussion purposes only.

    I would think that Jordan may want to take special note of this clause as well.

  82. missteacher Says:

    No, you are correct that the courts ORDER the custody arrangements but they do not decide it alone. I work as a custody consultant for the courts in Texas and this is FAR from the way it really goes down. The Judge does not want the responsibility for making this decision alone. So, he/she orders other “professionals” to assess the situation such as a custody investigator (like me), a psychologist, an amicus attorney, an ad litem for the children, or a visitation monitor. All of these people are paid for and worked with by the parties involved. Therefore, they are subject to objectivity in forming their reports. Ethics dictates what they report to the court but it is all on their own. The report while subjective is something the Judge takes into ultimate consideration. So, if someone conspierd to make one party look terrible while they themselves walk a straight line, they can sway the person whose reporting to the Court. The Judge then takes all these reports into consideration….not what the parties say because they are not the professionals with liability. Then he/she orders a ruling based on those reports. Do you see where this can be grossly misleading to a Judge? The media was used in this case as well to “report” to the Judge. This is not your everyday run of the mill custody battle where it is all unbiased and based on “BEST INTEREST”. This was a planned effort by many to ge to this point. Make no mistake…..this plot has played out AS WRITTEN!!

    I also believe that Kevin actually feels bad about how harshly Britney has been dealt with. I think he would have let her have secondary conservatorship of the children with him as primary if it hadn’t been for the “grand plan”.

    Remember…..Eardley predicted ALL of this!!! He is not a fortune teller from what I can see…..

    As far as them being surrounded by family….sometimes family can be your demise……not all families are exactly “functional” and loving.

  83. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    missteacher, I agree with all of what you just said…

    Especially the, “As far as them being surrounded by family….sometimes family can be your demise……not all families are exactly “functional” and loving.”

    I think I just wanted to be clear on all of this what is going on…I’ve been reading in the comments section at places like Breatheheavy, and it doesn’t seem like there’s many people out there who are getting a true grasp of the situation.

  84. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    From the start, I’ve always said I was “Team SP & JJ” before anything else. When reading around at the comments section of other Web sites, I barely see ANY mention of those boys, and what’s best for them. And it really irks me.

    So maybe I tend to focus on that because nobody else seems to be putting their interests first…And it’s really kind of depressing to me.

  85. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Upon reflection, I think I’m pretty lucky in that I have parents who who pretty damn solid. I’m just coming to realize that now!!

    In comparison…I know I’ve mentioned here before about having had a boyfriend how suffers from mental illness. He comes from a family that is extremely dysfunctional. In my head, I often compare his situation to Britney’s because there are SO many similarities.

    It seems really hard to strike a balance between what is good for her children, and what is good for her, because we’re mixing some really high end legal complexities with something that can’t really be measured – family dysfunction.

    Quantitative vs. Qualitative. Tough.

  86. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Typo…Should read, “Who suffers from…”

  87. missteacher Says:

    Yeah I hear ya Steel on what is good for them vs what is good for her. Honestly, in my line of work…..what is good for the parents is not even a factor. In my custody evaluations, as harsh as it may sound, I could care less what their needs are. All I care about are the kids in those cases. I think Kevin is providing them with a good life. However, I can’t stand to see a mother bull-dozed because of her emotions and trust in a man who was supposed to take care of them. So, I often struggle there making a decision. My husband often helps me sort out that thinking because he says….tell me what you think the kids need at this point. I had a case where the mom had borderline personality disorder and the dad won custody based on this. She had lots of other issues floating around too….past sexual abuse in her family of origin and being in denial enough about it to subject her children to the same people who once abused her. Anywho….getting off topic. The point is, I often find myself trying to give mothers every chance in the world to be with their kids. However, I never say the father’s should be out of this picture unless they are just really a risk to the children. I understand all of the reasons Britney doesn’t have custody of her children and I can see the fall she took after her kids were born. It is just such typical things that happened to her but turned uttery atypical and dangerous when she had no support there.

    I guess all along all I have ever thought she needed was true love and support. If Daddy could give that to her and not be forcing this all on her, I would be totally accepting. It is just the way he treats her like a child that I can’t stomach. I know Brit messed up and lost her kids because of that but like she herself said, most people mess up and get to move on and pay their time and move on with life but not her….she will have to pay for a long time and not just missing out with her kids but not ever getting to start her life over.

    I mean why not let her loose? She has to have supervised visits already. She seems ok with that. If she has another child, that doesn’t automatically mean she loses that child too or has ot have supervised visits….that is the beauty of changing and moving on with life. Yes, she lost something she will never get back with SP and JJ but it is just like people who give up children for adoption because they could not care for them at the time but go on to have more children and be responsible parents and take good care of those kids. I think Brit is delayed in her maturity level because of how she was raised but that doesn’t mean she is not ready now. She has weathered great storms in her young life….that is where maturity grows but not if you don’t have to pull up your own boot straps and climb that hill on your own because you wnat to.

  88. missteacher Says:

    sorry for being so wordy guys….

  89. nosey Says:

    The reason why no-one seems too bothered on picking up/elaborating on this information about Britney is, after reading lots of answers from readers on different sites, they think Britney is fine. This is because they feel Jamie ‘rescued’ Brit and that she is touring now, therefore ’sound of mind’. Plus, they all feel Britney has mental problems and so would say ANYTHING. It is awful but people can not look at the bigger picture. The poor girl has everything against her. I admire Jordan, he was able to awaken people’s eyes a bit to the situation, whether they believed it or not, and remember, they dont WANT to believe it. Just dont give up. She is trapped and controlled, one of the worse situations in life to be in. I know im stating the obvious, but some people reading might just want to grasp the basics again!…

  90. lalalala Says:

    “But just hours later, longtime Spears attorney Blair Berk took the stand and said it was the singer who asked her father to help keep Lutfi away from her, repeatedly requesting he be taken into police custody.

    “She repeatedly asked if I could get him arrested for what he’d done to her and to get the court to order him to stay away from her,” Berk said, adding that Lutfi threatened to release embarrassing information about Spears and her father.

    Berk further claimed that she found an overnight envelope sent to Spears from attorney Jon Eardley in a car leased by the singer for Lutfi. Eardley, who was brought into the mix last year by Lutfi, made a “blatant” solicitation to work as her counsel, Berk said. Berk told the court she was informed by Spears on several occasions that she neither knew Eardley nor wanted him to work for her.

    As for those leaked voicemails in which Spears supposedly is heard trolling for new legal representation, Berk said she did not believe the voice was actually that of the Circus singer, as “the words, terms, phrases were not ones she had ever used before.”

    She did, however, admit the voice did bear a slight resemblance to the pop star.

    “Moments it sounded like Spears and moments it didn’t,” she said, adding that the tape “sounded like it had been edited.”
    http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b107191_attorney_britney_living_in_prison_wants.html

  91. Amapola Says:

    I can’t understand this “fabless” for Jordan..
    He never ever make any comment on the way Sam Lutfi was acting.
    That, to me say: Jordan is not any person to admire.

    About Jamie Spears.
    One start wondering if he, when he give all his steam on “living” for Britney, doing it as substitut for his ealier failiur in his own life.

    And we must not forget that Jamie have been very upset and angry for many YEARS on the fact that Britney have told she want to write a book about her life. (Think that started as early as 2003…)

    THAT, he dont want. No, he most certainly not want that.

    If she give him a promise, juridic, a strong paper, to NOT do that… Do he let her be free then?

  92. lalalala Says:

    It’s time for Adnan Ghalib — Britney’s paparazzo ex — to face the judge.

    “Extra” will be streaming live from the courthouse as paparazzo Adnan heads to court to answer to charges of assault with a deadly weapon, battery and a hit-and-run, all stemming from an incident last month.

    Tune in to the Extra row channel Thursday at approximately 7:30 AM PDT — and watch as Adnan answers to a judge. Perhaps the paparazzi will cover it.

    http://extratv.warnerbros.com/2009/04/britneys_ex_bf_in_court_–_raw.php

  93. Amapola Says:

    “lalalala Says:
    April 1st, 2009 at 6:50 pm”

    Thanks for the info.

    Wonder how many times this group of people or that company (?) have report to the police that an “assault with a deadly weapon, battery and a hit-and-run”, have happend to them?

    Think this not is the first time…

    Sure there are a pattern to find, if one could look on their “work”.
    Wonder of earlier damages too…

  94. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    missteacher Says:
    April 1st, 2009 at 11:31 am

    I mean why not let her loose?

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    I still say the C-Ship could be tied directly to the tour insurance. Or, I can see that as being the excuse for keeping the C-Ship…for now.

    Her last concert is June 14.

  95. Amapola Says:

    “Sorry. This page was not found.

    If this page is missing unintentionally, it will be back up shortly.

    Otherwise, please use the navigation to find your desired content.

    Thanks for visiting!”

    =The extratv site…

  96. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Well, well, well…Ronnie, it looks like I got my answer:

    “Attorney John Anderson took the stand this morning and told Superior Court Commissioner Aviva K. Bobb that he was asked to represent the pop star in a battle to free her from the conservatorship controlled by her father, Jamie Spears.

    “A person who purported to be Lutfi told me that all of Britney Spears’ phone rights were cut off,” he said, adding that he was also told the mother of two was under tight control by her father and virtually “in prison.”

    …As for Anderson, he testified earlier in the day that he drew up papers to be retained as Britney’s counsel last year and, in turn, received copies back allegedly signed by Spears herself.

    He said he was made aware that another court-appointed attorney had already been assigned to Spears, but was told the singer was “not confident” in the other legal eagle’s abilities and wanted to hire a new representative in the courtroom.

    Eventually, Anderson told the court, he did contact the attorneys representing Spears’ conservatorship, who dissuaded him from attempting to further pursue working for the star.”

    http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b107191_britney_trapped_in_dads_prison_simply.html

    So…Anderson didn’t get shot down. He didn’t even try.

  97. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Does anyone know the exact law that’s on the books in California as to replacing the court appointed attorney? If so, please do share.

  98. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    “Berk further claimed that she found an overnight envelope sent to Spears from attorney Jon Eardley in a car leased by the singer for Lutfi. Eardley, who was brought into the mix last year by Lutfi, made a “blatant” solicitation to work as her counsel, Berk said. Berk told the court she was informed by Spears on several occasions that she neither knew Eardley nor wanted him to work for her.”

    http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b107191_britney_trapped_in_dads_prison_simply.html

    Am I nuts, or is this one big fat lie? Isn’t there a tape recording out there of Britney telling Eardley over a year ago:

    “I want my life back. I want to be able to drive my car. I want to be able to live in my house by myself. I want to say who is going to be my security guard. I want to see who I want to see at any time and make it happen.”

  99. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    It’s interesting to see that Extra finds Adnan’s case important enough to stream live from the courthouse…

  100. MH Says:

    Good luck tomorrow Adnan.

  101. MH Says:

    ps…up or over, not forward.

  102. MH Says:

    or back might be good.

  103. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Yes, good luck tomorrow Adnan. I may not be a huge cheerleader sometimes, but deep down in my cold, cold heart I do see what is going on and appreciate where you’re coming from.

    I hope this all pans out.

  104. MH Says:

    http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/04/exclusive-britney-scared-dad-says-witness

  105. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    A celebrity svengali?! LOL

  106. MH Says:

    lots wrong in this one…

    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/bizarre/usa/article2355027.ece

  107. MH Says:

    one sided much….

    http://www.accesshollywood.com/former-attorney-for-jamie-spears-testifies-britney-wanted-ex-manager-jailed_article_16243

  108. Carmela333 Says:

    Interesting.

    http://www.okmagazine.com/news/view/13049

  109. Carmela333 Says:

    tsk Anthony. She “had” to be hospitalized? Tsk. Your last article was accurate on this regard.

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ic4j0-zgwVvUIwo6rjPD7Oxxe01wD97A1ATO2

    ——

    AM will be back in a week but I am here and one in the same,

    incognitobeezy

  110. small hands Says:

    Sorry for being absent. I have been busy.
    I see a lot has happened today and yet nothing has changed.
    Missteacher…I am well aware Britney can’t make any decisions. Don’t think for a minute that I like this c-ship because I don’t.

  111. Fantasy Says:

    Hi, everyone. Just dropping by to say a quick hello and to wish Adnan well today. Bye.

  112. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    lalalala Says:
    April 1st, 2009 at 6:14 pm

    “But just hours later, longtime Spears attorney Blair Berk took the stand and said it was the singer who asked her father to help keep Lutfi away from her, repeatedly requesting he be taken into police custody.

    “She repeatedly asked if I could get him arrested for what he’d done to her and to get the court to order him to stay away from her,” Berk said…

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    I just had a thought…

    I don’t mean to sound insensitive…But has anyone read Eardley’s original letter from February 2008? It mentioned something in it regarding what Britney’s family was alleging was wrong with her.

    It could offer an explanation as to why the people taking the stand yesterday were offering up such drastically different versions of what is going on.

    It’s possible both sides are telling the truth here.

    But I think you’d have to read Eardley’s letter and do a bit of research before understanding what I’m getting at…

    Again, just a random thought.

  113. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    My last comment is in relation to my comment at 11:00 AM.

    I just mention this because…It’s nobody’s business, so none of us really needs to know…But we are having these discussions while missing a key piece of information that the Commissioner may have and we may not.

    I’m stating the obvious, I know. But sometimes I need to remind myself.

  114. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    And the strawberries begin turning into a big jam sandwich:

    http://perezhilton.com/2009-04-02-britney-spears-tired-of-living-life-in-prison

  115. MH Says:

    the mags can’t seem to make up their minds…is it kevin, jason, the dancer, adnan…

    http://www.okmagazine.com/news/view/13028

  116. MH Says:

    LOL at side by side pics…

    http://x17online.com/celebrities/britney_spears/is_britney_sick_of_her_dad_running_her_life-04022009.php

  117. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Leave it to X17 to bring the LOL’s. Man, that IS funny!

    Well, apparently Extra isn’t streaming live from the courthouse…

  118. nosey Says:

    Does anyone think that Britney does want out, but Sam is just ‘jumping on the bandwagon’ and that Brit does NOT want Sam near her? But she MAY want Adnan? Sam’s name linking itself to Adnan might just be all for HIS advantage??? Just a thought.

  119. nosey Says:

    It is his chance to get his foot back under the table (Sam)….Good luck Adnan BTW.

  120. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    I can understand that Brit may have took the phone from Christina because she instantly thought, “Hey, I can call Adnan!”

    But I honestly can’t understand what Adnan has done to warrant the RO. Even if he did give the phone to Sam, who then gave it to Christina, what has Adnan really done, apart from talk to her on the phone? Encourage her to sign the documents?

    Something’s missing in this whole equation…I guess we’ll find out soon enough.

  121. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Did anyone else find this confusing?

    “Berk further claimed that she found an overnight envelope sent to Spears from attorney Jon Eardley in a car leased by the singer for Lutfi. Eardley, who was brought into the mix last year by Lutfi, made a “blatant” solicitation to work as her counsel, Berk said. Berk told the court she was informed by Spears on several occasions that she neither knew Eardley nor wanted him to work for her.”

    http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b107191_attorney_britney_living_in_prison_wants.html

    Yeah…Nobody mentions that the letter was probably found back in February 2008. (Perhaps the same letter that’s attached to the TRO documents?)

    Do they honestly have anything on Eardley right now? Because it was Anderson who had drafted the letter that Britney supposedly signed, not Eardley.

    I’m seeing a lot of “two-degrees of separation” stuff going on. (e.g. Phone = Adnan > Sam > Christina, or Documents = Eardley > Sam > Anderson) but not a lot of direct contact between anyone. Interesting!

  122. MH Says:

    another LOL…the title.

    http://www.celebitchy.com/44437/adnan_ghalibs_sister_testifies_she_snuck_cell_phone_to_britney_spears/

  123. MH Says:

    there is no way the sec isn’t aware of it. so what does that make them…crooks.

  124. MH Says:

    oops, sorry.

  125. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    This all makes me think of this article:

    “…Jamie admits the conservatorship was a major adjustment for Britney, but in a twist of fate, has given them both a chance to grow together as father and daughter.

    “It’s wonderful. It’s new for both of us,” he explains. “She sometimes calls me 50 times a day and asks me things that light my life up. But, like all daughters, she is very manipulative and cunning. So she gets what she wants a lot.”

    Britney’s progress has been monumental, thanks in large part to her father taking the legal steps to take over her life. But, at the end of the day, Jamie is just a dad, trying to protect his daughter.

    “I do understand that my baby made this monster,” he says, adding, “But when she was down, people took advantage.”

    http://www.okmagazine.com/posts/view/8445/

  126. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Compare the OK! article to this:

    “Sam Lutfi’s younger sister Christina testified in a Los Angeles court Wednesday that she recently snuck a cell phone to the pop star at a Beverly Hills hotel – a plan allegedly hatched by Spears herself.

    Spears, 27, whose phone access is strictly limited by her father Jamie, had initially called Sam’s cell phone number in mid-January to speak with Christina.

    “[Britney] told me she wanted to get a hold of Sam,” said Christina, 25, whose brother had once been Spears’s manager. “She wanted him to help her find a lawyer, and wanted someone to get a prepaid cell phone to her. She was scared because her father was blackmailing her with visitation rights over her kids.”

    http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20269512,00.html

    Cell phones…Calling repeatedly…Manipulative and cunning…Hmmm…

  127. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Then compare this:

    “She wanted him to help her find a lawyer, and wanted someone to get a prepaid cell phone to her. She was scared because her father was blackmailing her with visitation rights over her kids.”

    With this from February 22, 2007:

    “Lynne Spears went to visit baby Sean and baby Jayden today at Kevin Federline’s house. Rumors had the two conspiring to get the kids away from Britney and to get Brit back into rehab…”

    http://x17online.com/celebrities/britney_spears/britneys_mom_and_kevin_on_the_same_team.php

    Any patterns?

  128. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    http://www.tmz.com/2009/04/02/judge-gives-britneys-ex-more-time/

  129. MARK TWAIN Says:

    Been sitting here watching the drama unfold right to the ‘T’. Just as missteacher said and what I said a long time ago. This is a well written story line by an army of people who’s job is to make sure that every character is in it’s place. They can only predict so many things and it’s great to see them scramble when something pops up that is not in their control. Simply amazing.

    It’s one resason why that strawberry Jordan was shot down. He has seen materials that he can post on his site. Leaked things that Daddy Spears will really dislike. So eliminate the strawberry before he can do damage when court resumes. Just as written on the script. Isn’t it amazing how the judge talked about the leaked audio. Doesn’t that send a powerful message about what is written out there and how the PR team in daddy’s camp have to keep their strawberries real close when they need them. All they have to do is give up a little bit of Britney and all comes to so their part for favors. Again, amazing.

    By the way MH and Steel. Please do not forget that Lou Taylors personal note pad in one of these rags. I wont mention who cause it’s very clear and have been known. So don’t be surprised with what they spin. Everytime something is up around an Adnan story there’s always a love interest in Britney. They even got spicier this time as the TRO got heavy as well. nice balance using the strawberries.

    Who ever leaked the audio must have hired Steven Speilberg and George Lucas with his expertise in THX to do a fantastic job of editing as Blair Berk would like you to believe. Listening to it over and over again for the past 4 days and hearing berk even try and explain was pathetic. Just remember that everyone that the Jamie Spears and Co present to the stand are credible people and aanything on the other side are questionable. No way you are going to beat that. The judge has made up his mind with the Spears and Co along time ago. I’m not surprise why Adnan ghalib did not subject himself to answering to these people any longer. they lied to him as well. the minute he signed the confedentiality agreement, he was Adios Amigo.

    My question to you guys is do you even buy what Blair Berk is selling. Definately targeting people with an IQ of a monkey. it’s awesome how they speak for Britney Spears. What a wonderful design. The judge will take all of that as if it was. Again, you cant beat that.

    Not sure what site it was that called this whole drama a spy novel but word on the streets with the paps is that Christina had to be brave enough to do what she did. She had to walk in tha sauna almost half naked with a small towel to cover her upper body and hid the phone on her head and covered it with a towel. She had to walk right pass the security and give a nice little smile to one of Daddy Spears muscle who stood by the door of the sauna and pretend everything was great.

    Please no questions. Just here to give you guys a view of the schematics.

    One more thought in regards to the leaked audio. Was there more? And what else is out there? Where is the darn sex tape.

  130. MARK TWAIN Says:

    The sex tape is one of the greatest spin that made Adnan look like the biggest jerk. I think it’s the reson why he didnt even bother fighting the RO. He’s been huniliated enough by the Jamie Spears And Co. he was not going to subject himself to these people and give them anymore. It’s great how that sex tape story slowly wrote itself off but people will always talk about it like it exist. With the judge asking about the leakes audio. It shoew PR is the most powerful game in this game.

    Sorry i went back to this, I wasn’t quite sure if I made it clear enough about how powerful PR works when you have it in your disposal.

  131. Amethyst Mine Says:

    No, Mark. I don’t believe any of what Berk is selling.

    How did you like Lou’s spin on Britney misbehavin’ with a dancer the moment Jamie turned his back but all is perfect with him back on tour.

    More later. I am on yet on travel, but events settled enough yesterday to recall my gmail account. So long, incognitobeezy.

  132. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Like clockwork. LOL

  133. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    I asked myself, “Now why would Adnan willingly work with Lutfi when Lutfi has such a bad reputation?” But then I also asked myself, “Who runs in the same social circles as Brit and could get close enough to her to pass her a phone without security noticing that it happened?”

    Aren’t the Lutfi sisters friends with Paris? Well, that would get them into the Peninsula Hotel, wouldn’t it?

    Pieces of the puzzle.

  134. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    You know, if I was a journalist who worked at OK! Magazine, I would’ve found this to be a very interesting statement:

    “I do understand that my baby made this monster,” he says, adding, “But when she was down, people took advantage.”

    http://www.okmagazine.com/posts/view/8445/

    Made this monster? What does Jamie mean when he says this? Why didn’t the person who wrote this story ask a few more questions about this?

    How bizarre.

  135. small hands Says:

    Nice to hear from you MT.

    And no I am not buying what Blair Berk is selling.

  136. gigi Says:

    Nope I dont buy Blair Berks junk either. Good to hear from you MT. I knew you would pop up again soon.

  137. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    http://www.tmz.com/2009/04/02/brits-lawyer-shell-sing-i-promise/

  138. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    From the link above:

    “We’ve obtained documents showing attorney Andrew Wallet has given his personal assurance — to the tune of $1.5 million — that if Britney flakes out, he’ll pay up…

    The document, which was signed by the court on December 22, 2008, also makes American Contractors Indemnity Company a guarantor.”

  139. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    http://www.tmz.com/2009/04/02/britneys-ex-now-ex-gun-owner/

  140. Fantasy Says:

    Hello,guys. It was great that Mark Twain dropped by today as I’ve been waiting for his return.

    Mostly because I really wanted to apologize to him for the way I spoke to him not long after I began posting here.
    I was out of line and rude. No excuses.
    I don’t know if he cares or even remember but I do.

    Mark, if you’re somewhere out there lurking and read this I want to tell you that I’m sorry.
    Everyone here has been really cool. I’m just here to chat every now and then. I don’t want to be the b***ch of JFX. You don’t have to reply, but I’m sincere and I regret how I spoke to you.

    But that in particular has been on my mind for a while and I wanted to say what I just did.
    BTW. Is this thread active still?
    I’m gonna check the others to see if anybody’s on there. Bye.

  141. gigi Says:

    Why would he have to sell his gun? Guess that shows how much I know about ROs

  142. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    I thought I was the b***ch of JFX?!

    I was going to crack a joke and say that AM was the b***ch of JFX, but then she’d tell me I was a buttmunch, I’d call her creepy, then we’d huff about it for a while.

    ‘Cause we’re fun like that. LOL

  143. gigi Says:

    video up of a

  144. MH Says:

    long walk…

    http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b107460_britneys_ex_adnan_turns_in_his_gun.html

  145. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Not anymore, Steel.

  146. Amethyst Mine Says:

    G. You can not have arms.

  147. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Well, glad we got THAT out of the way.

  148. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Avril you think? Same social circles.

  149. missteacher Says:

    I feel like I can’t even read this anymore…..it just seems hopeless and like no one can help her get her life back. They have just covered every angle and sewed it all up the way they want it. I believe that Adnan should plea his way out of jail and just move on until Britney can get out of the c-ship on her own. If she can find a way to just prove to her Drs and the Judge that she can handle her own affairs, maybe she can get out of it on her own….I don’t know. Once she is on her own, maybe they can try again. I know he made a promise to her but, he has to take care of himself too.

  150. Fantasy Says:

    I agree with miss teacher for the most part.
    But what if every angle, as you put it, hasn’t been covered.
    What if things don’t work out as slickly as it’s been going til now.
    I’m hoping someone in the Spears camp slips up.

    You can plan things all you want.
    But in life not everything goes according to plan.

  151. gigi Says:

    So now that he is not allowed to have arms he is fair game for whoever wants to attack him. Yes I understand the reason for it but come on. He has not tried to hurt her. The only thing he has ever done is help her. This is so screwed up.

  152. Amapola Says:

    “missteacher Says:
    April 3rd, 2009 at 8:19 am
    ….
    ……
    If she can find a way to just prove to her Drs and the Judge that she can handle her own affairs, maybe she can get out of it on her own..”

    Show me any celeb or artist in her magnitudwho handle their affairs themselves…

  153. Amapola Says:

    correction:
    Show me any celeb or artist in her magnitud who handle their affairs themselves…

  154. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    missteacher Says:
    April 3rd, 2009 at 8:19 am

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    One of the most thoughtful and intelligent posts I’ve seen on here in a long time.

    “If she can find a way to just prove to her Drs and the Judge that she can handle her own affairs, maybe she can get out of it on her own…”

    It’s gotta come from Britney, and Britney alone now. She has to show the doctors that without a doubt, she’s clear-headed and strong enough to make her own decisions in life. She must stand up to The Machine and take back her life HERSELF. Nobody else can do that for her.

    Maybe, the next time someone receives a message from her, they should try to convince her of that, too. Maybe all the girl needs right now is some confidence in herself.

    JMHO

  155. Amethyst Mine Says:

    hmmm, should I look here or on BH for an update on Jordan’s day yesterday?

    Jordan, I love your website but it’s fun seeing you here.

  156. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    So, Jordan of the Rippled Six Pack…

    What are you up to day?? Why are you nervousssss??

  157. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    P.S. It’s kinda funny how someone has a fake Twitter account for Sam Lutfi and keeps posting little messages underneath Jordan’s posts.

    That brought the LOL’s.

  158. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Did X17 pull this thread? http://x17online.com/celebrities/britney_spears/is_britney_sick_of_her_dad_running_her_life-04022009.php

  159. Amethyst Mine Says:

    “It’s one resason why that strawberry Jordan was shot down. He has seen materials that he can post on his site. Leaked things that Daddy Spears will really dislike.”

    Like three more audio tapes? C’mon Jordan, enjoy that frappe and get back to the job.

  160. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    I shudder to think what these tapes are going to say…They better darned well show she’s clear-headed and strong and shows a solid understanding of what’s going on…!!

    And the thread at X17? There was a McDonald’s ad at the top that was shutting down my browser yesterday. I’m wondering if it’s shutting down the whole thread?

  161. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Harriet, sweeeet Harriet, yo’ a beezy.

    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/04/does-britney-spears-live-in-fear-of-her-former-confidant-osama-sam-lutfi-or-does-she-consider-him-her-only-hope-for-b.html

    Strawberries who either omitted the leaked tape or went to a different hearing …I sure would appreciate multiple pairs of eyes to confirm this. Or did People.com and others make up the evidence that was presented in court?

    Harriet Ryan, LA Times

    Anthony McCartney, Associated Press

    http://www.ktvu.com/entertainment/19070455/detail.html

    If I am in error, I apologize in advance. If I am not in error…

    Radar Online … (celebrity news yes but they’ve been getting their fair share of court documents before their competitors of late) as availablein the link posted by Steel a few days ago.

  162. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    http://perezhilton.com/2009-04-03-brit-brit-k-fed-20

  163. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Hilarious!

    It appears The Machine hired a professional photographer to take pics of Brit and her dancers at Lotus in Dallas, then posted the pics at her official Web site:

    http://www.britneyspears.com/2009/04/exclusive-britney-turns-lotus-into-a-circus-1.php

    But they DIDN’T post the one of her and Chase dancing together. That one got leaked to Perez! But the funny thing is, she’s dancing with ALL the dancers in the pics, not just him.

  164. Fantasy Says:

    Speaking of….have you all seen what RadarOnline says about the night club staying mum on Britney’s time there in the club?

  165. Amethyst Mine Says:

    What is the truth? Was the audio presented or mentioned as evidence or not?

    ‘T’ omitted it from their coverage as well despite airing the audio March 30, 2009

  166. Fantasy Says:

    Has that been done before with other celebs?
    If something went on with Britney and a dancer
    why should Lotus have to keep a lid on it? Did the same happen to the club in Montreal? Shhh, or else.

    If the pictures are misleading and she danced with other people too then why would that be have to be kept on the DL?

    I know her management is presenting her as available. But why would they think that her fans, especially the straight males, care if she’s dating or not?
    I don’t get that.

  167. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Are the kids in L.A. with K-Fed? thx

  168. Fantasy Says:

    St.Mag., I saw that photo 1st on TMZ then Perez.
    Strawberries? Both? Who isn’t one?

  169. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Fantasy Says:
    April 3rd, 2009 at 3:27 pm

    I know her management is presenting her as available. But why would they think that her fans, especially the straight males, care if she’s dating or not?

    I don’t get that.

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    It funny, but all these dating stories seem to appear on the same day that an Adnan story appears. It’s been a pattern that appears to have gone back several months (or maybe even a year).

    Distractions?

  170. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Fantasy Says:
    April 3rd, 2009 at 3:27 pm

    If the pictures are misleading and she danced with other people too then why would that be have to be kept on the DL?

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    So as to appear as “insider gossip”?

  171. Amethyst Mine Says:

    MT previously noted the timing of romance articles.

    So the kids? The press? No insight, truth or facts?

    sigh

    K-Fed played golf with Jamie last week? K-Fed and Victoria were seen together? Good thing TeamKevin.com has pics.

  172. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Fantasy…Both?

    Watch for patterns. ;)

  173. Fantasy Says:

    Has anybody read the Radaronline blog?
    Title: “Club Employees Threatened To Keep Silent On Britney”
    If I knew how to attach the linky thing I would.
    Sorry guys. :(

  174. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Fantasy,

    Going back over the last year…

    Watch for patterns in a certain tabloid rag that always had “scoops”.

    (See links in this thread.)

    Going back over the last month or two…

    The same two blogs always have scoops. (See thread above.)

  175. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Wow, TMZ had almost the exact same story and photo as Perez today:

    http://www.tmz.com/2009/04/03/britney-spears-club-photo/

    Heh. They even both used the word “freak.”

  176. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Fantasy, did you mean this one?

    http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/04/club-employees-threatened-keep-silent-britney

    It’s just a simple copy and paste. Nothing tricky.

  177. Fantasy Says:

    I’ll be watching more closely.

    Does anyone know who that guy works for?
    He was the one asking Adnan questions outside of court.
    Britney questions,texting,divorce,the whole she-bang.
    Does he work for one of the raspberries?

    I like saying raspberry.
    It’s making me laugh. :)

  178. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    From the Radar article:

    Says the source: “I can’t say anything or I’ll lose my job.”

    (Photo: Ginsburg Spaly Inc.)

  179. Fantasy Says:

    Yes. Thank You, St. Mag.

  180. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Just a thought…

    I wonder who the photographers were who shot the photos of the process server’s injuries?

    The photos that were posted on Perez. Were they run on TMZ as well?

    Was there a photo credit? A credit such as this:

    (Photo: Xxxxxxxx Xxxxx Inc.)

    ?

  181. Fantasy Says:

    Oh, wow. This is so strange in some ways.
    And complicated. For me at least.
    I’ve been following blogs and magazines forever.
    I just never questioned things in that way.

    Do any of you remember when Britney flew to her home town last year for the holidays?
    There were pictures and rumors of Britney having
    possibly a romance with a guy, who at first I thought was a part of her security team.

    But later it was said that he actually is the official photographer for Britney Spears.com.
    He took the photos that her site posted of her during the European promotional tour in Germany,
    France,England, and Japan.

    Darn, I can’t recall his name.
    The photos were on Jordan’s site.

    I’m thinking because of the quality of the photos of the process server shown on Perez (looks really like pro shots) that maybe it could have been him. A member of Britney Spears.com?

  182. Fantasy Says:

    A picture is a picture.
    But it (the Perez process server photos) looked
    really professional to me.
    Not like something that I’d take of people with
    my personal camera.
    I don’t know. I’m trying to think deep.

  183. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Fantasy…Scroll up. ;)

  184. Amethyst Mine Says:

    LOL! at Saint Mag.

  185. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Wha?! You’re just catching on to my saintly status NOW?! LOL

  186. Fantasy Says:

    I found the pictures of Britney and that guy.
    They were in Britney’s hometown last year seen
    leaving Sonic’s.
    I found the pictures through Google(of course).

    His name is Andrew.
    “He is the Director Of Content and fellow member of Team Brit. You can see him
    in Britney’s birthday photo album and backstage at GMA.”

    Excuse me while I go and google direc. of cont.
    Sorry, guys. I don’t know what that is.

  187. Amethyst Mine Says:

    I spent the week in church, Steel. LOL

  188. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Awe…That sounds good and bad…

    But I actually never noticed the “saint” part either. LOL

  189. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Some cute photos:

    http://www.jamie-pictures.com/thumbnails.php?album=1222

  190. Amethyst Mine Says:

    So where’s the big announcement, Jordy?

    Courage man courage.

  191. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Oh Looooooo, your going to need to show those babies some time, so where are they?

    Dear St. Mag, please show the babies soon. Amen.

    Ame

  192. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Oh dear.

    Something just occurred to me.

    Oh Jordan. Oh no, no, Jordan…Not the babies, Jordan. Not the babies!!

  193. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    http://www.breatheheavy.com/index.php?subaction=showfull&id=1238788462&archive=&start_from=&ucat=&

  194. Fantasy Says:

    Googling around. Found the process server photos.
    I only saw them on Perez. And there wasn’t a
    photo credit. Site name with a pink border.
    That was it.

    I read what the proc. srvr. said on TMZ.
    I’m partial to A.Gh. however the way the man spoke
    was as if he was already on the witness stand.
    I’m talking about his word use.
    IDK. Obviously, he speaks very differently.

  195. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Uh oh…I think Jordan’s water just broke.

    Expecting contractions any time now…

  196. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Did I say, “contractions”?

    I meant to say, “compare and contrast.”

  197. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    How many babies are we expecting? Three more buns in the oven?

  198. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Berk is Jamie’s “former attorney”?

    I thought she was Britney’s “former attorney,” and Jamie’s current attorney?

    Details, details.

  199. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Fantasy Says:
    April 3rd, 2009 at 4:53 pm

    Googling around. Found the process server photos.
    I only saw them on Perez. And there wasn’t a
    photo credit. Site name with a pink border.
    That was it. I read what the proc. srvr. said on TMZ.
    I’m partial to A.Gh. however the way the man spoke
    was as if he was already on the witness stand.
    I’m talking about his word use.
    IDK. Obviously, he speaks very differently.

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    So the visuals went to Perez.
    The written words went to TMZ.
    The photos were taken by Unknown.

    “Obviously, he speaks very differently.”

    Like a lawyer wrote them?

  200. Fantasy Says:

    Yes. Like really professional.
    I googled his name and saw a docu filed in Feb.09
    I don’t know if it’s anything you have seen.
    Probably so.

    I also googled Blair Berk.
    I didn’t know the she represents or represented Lindsay Lohan and Mel Gibson.
    Other famous names popped up too.

    Says that she specializes in DUI and reckless driving cases.
    Are those her only specialties?
    If so, why would she be Jamie’s “former attorney”?

    This is the only time that I’ve seen her listed as Jamie’s former attorney. People said she is his attorney. (4-1-2009)
    Was she recently let go?
    Who’s lying?

  201. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    I first saw Berk’s name arise here:

    http://www.theinsider.com/news/58744_BRITNEY_WAGES_WAR_AGAINST_THE_PAPARAZZI

    February 2007. Don’t mind the article – there’s no real source. But there are others out there with similar information.

  202. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    A similar article:

    http://www.hollywoodbackwash.com/britney-spears-goes-from-rehab-to-attorney/

  203. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Jordan, you better make sure you have that headline right. Now is not a good time to be posting inaccurate information. ;)

  204. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Dear Ste. Mag, please get Lou to tell us where the two babies are. In the name of the father, the …..ah-men.

    Also, did the L.A. Times, AP, and Radaronline have it right? Amazing feat by Lou, if so. Did she kill the story before it could come up, creating a Berk said the audio was “inauthentic?”

    Send us a sign please, oh Ste. Mag.

  205. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    I was under the impression that Berk was now an attorney for “The Spears Family” (not to be confused with “Britney Spears”).

    But I could be wrong, so don’t quote me on that.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1059231/Its-horseplay-Britney-Spears-enjoys-day-polo.html

  206. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Two babies?

    Eh, I don’t care to talk to anybody named Lou. The name makes me picture a woman with rubber bands wrapped around her goatee.

    Wait. That was Captain Lou. Nevermind.

  207. Fantasy Says:

    Do you believe that Britney lied to Berk about having Eardley as her lawyer?
    When did Britney supposedly tell Berk all of this?
    Feb./Mar. 2008. After the c-ship began?

    There’s no date.
    If this was after the c-ship began
    then maybe Britney was so angry with Sam and everything he did and she no longer wanted to be
    associated with anyone connected to him.
    Like Eardley.

    Why didn’t anyone in court on the other side ask about the date of things?
    I’m far from being an attorney but even I would
    have asked that question.
    The time line is crucial.

  208. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Berk is a criminal attorney. He represents Jamie, not Britney.

    Meanwhile, K-Fed is in L.A. Where are the babies? More of the same blackmail that caused Britney to shave her head last year?

    http://www.celebrity-gossip.net/celebrities/hollywood/kevin-federline-and-victoria-prince-bowling-buddies-212480/

    and

    http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/2009/03/happy-birthday-k-fed/

    The author’s name is interesting.

    You guys probably posted this info somewhere.

  209. Amethyst Mine Says:

    p.s. I think that’s Berk’s role anyway. I think the AP might have made mention this week that Berk was Britney’s former attorney.

  210. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Oh, THOSE babies.

    We were definitely talking apples and oranges there!!

    Yours Truly,

    Team Sean P. and JJ.

  211. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Fantasy Says:
    April 3rd, 2009 at 5:41 pm

    Do you believe that Britney lied to Berk about having Eardley as her lawyer?
    When did Britney supposedly tell Berk all of this?
    Feb./Mar. 2008. After the c-ship began?

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    I imagine that during Feb/Mar ‘08 her body/mind was recovering from the improper dosages of meds…

    So if Britney didn’t recall speaking to Eardley on the phone, it may not be a lie.

  212. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Or Britney was in an unusual situation… wanting to get out of the c-ship, ASAP. Would she want her doctors to think she was anti-Lutfi anti-Eardley? Would it help her get out of the c-ship?

  213. Fantasy Says:

    That’s a photo from last year of K-Fed golfing with Jamie.
    Remember the artist sketch of K-Fed when he and
    Britney were in court last May?
    He had a mohawk.

    As for the babies, they’re with the nanny and or
    bodyguard somewhere. IDK?
    Britney has a show in Minneapolis tonight.
    I don’t know if they’re still in Jersey or where.

  214. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    So K-Fed is in L.A., but Brit is in Minneapolis. K-Fed and the babies are supposed to be on tour with her. But possibly may not be?

    I haven’t caught on to the author yet…

  215. Fantasy Says:

    Speaking of doctors.
    It’s not my business BUT,
    to this day I still ask if Britney has regular
    sessions with a therapist.
    Just to talk through stuff for an hour.

    I think I read that her medical team would accompany her on tour.
    I’ve never seen or read that, “Britney was seen
    leaving her therapist’s office today.”
    Or, ” A therapist/dr. was seen leaving Britney Spears home.”

    It’s just as important to have someone to talk to.
    Not just medicate.
    Does anyone know anything about that?

    Would Britney feel safe and trust the therapist
    and be 100% honest with revealing personal things about herself? And her life?

  216. Amethyst Mine Says:

    The author is “Free Britney.” So, is the author an official rep for where Hollywood Scoop stands?

    Is Free Britney quietly spreading across celebrity news outlets?

  217. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    What tha…

    *crickets*

    …LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!

  218. Fantasy Says:

    I don’t think that K-Fed has to be in every city that Britney has a show.
    That’s not the deal.
    As I understand it, the deal is to permit the kids
    to be present while Britney’s on tour.
    State-to-state.

    K-Fed gets paid even if he
    isn’t present at the different tour locations.
    They needed his consent for SP&JJ to travel.
    I don’t think they’ll travel out of the country
    when she tours England in the summer.
    They were not in Canada last month with Britney.

    Well, I’ll be back later.
    Bye, St.Mag. and Amethyst!

  219. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Bye Fantasy.

    Good points on the K-Fed deal. I wasn’t really sure what the details were.

    And I gotta say, it really is so much more pleasant to post here. It’s the reason I keep coming back. No sanctimonious harpies here.

    Like a breath of fresh air.

  220. Amapola Says:

    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_WXKcTEEd710/SbVuF94NYSI/AAAAAAAADkw/c8_udyvwetc/s400/kfed_splash.jpg

    One of this kids dont look to happy..
    Kaplan giving order..show all of the kids?
    Well, this kids in the front is a smart kid, (and a sad and angry too?) because it seams like the situation not is “funny” in any way.

    Or what do you see in the pic?

  221. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Neither one looks secure, Ama, or happy. Yes to Kaplan giving order or the publicist they hired giving order. I don’t think Kevin ever realized he would be working for Britney though in his quest for the money.

    I wonder what changed in terms of Kevin being on the tour? Where are the kids?

    If Britney is in Kansas, or Dallas, is she commuting to L.A. to see her children?

    Something seems awry.

    Mark, thank you for the schematics earlier this week.

    Steel, you sure it’s not your venerated-to-sainthood status that keeps you coming here? LOL!

  222. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    And here I thought I didn’t have any morals. LOL

  223. missteacher Says:

    Hey guys! Anyone know where I can read the Feb 2008 letter from Eardley that predicted all this? Maybe there are some clues to where we are headed….

  224. small hands Says:

    Amethyst Mine Says:
    April 3rd, 2009 at 4:15 pm
    LOL! at Saint Mag.
    —————-
    That was amusing to me as well LOL :)

  225. small hands Says:

    LOL at that last photo of K-fed. The other kid in the picture is the unborn kid he abandoned to hook up with Britney AND he does not look happy. K-fed looks bored.

    Yeah, I probably shouldn’t have described his other son in those terms…oh well.

  226. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    missteacher Says:
    April 4th, 2009 at 1:02 am

    Hey guys! Anyone know where I can read the Feb 2008 letter from Eardley that predicted all this? Maybe there are some clues to where we are headed….

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    Scroll down towards the bottom to read it. You may have to copy and paste the entire link:

    http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/Britney SpearsTRO2.pdf

    In the letter, Eardley makes note of what Brit’s family was alleging was wrong with her. I have no clue as to whether or not she has been diagnosed as such (and it’s really none of anyone’s business but hers), but I found it interesting to Wiki the symptoms and compare it to everything we know so far about the situation.

    There’s an old saying that goes something like, “There’s your side, my side, and the truth is probably half way in the middle.”

    …Something to think about when considering BOTH sides of this story.

  227. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    That being said, she just completed her eighteenth show, with nothing going wrong apart from a few things said into the mic that were pretty giggle-worthy.

    Not bad. Not bad at all.

  228. Amethyst Mine Says:

    I’m unsure why this is coming into my inbox so late but here ’tis for review.

    http://www.hollyscoop.com/britney-spears/britneys-lawyers-shutting-down-her-1-fansite_19740.aspx

    “Jordan is also fighting claims he is profiting from Google and Ticketmaster ads saying the revenue from those placements barely even cover the $350 expense per month to keep the site running.

    In fact, in a document retrieved by Radaronline, the site’s earnings in February from Google totaled to $206.30.

    Sounds like the kid is telling the truth! We understand the need for Britney’s legal team and her father to maintain control to avoid another breakdown from happening, but this seems a little much.

    Jordan is being punished for creating a forum in which Britney fans can come together. Not cool!!”

  229. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Revisiting the past.

    Eardley, “Counsel has learned that there has been significant verbal attacks by her live-in father conservator. … I have been informed of the existence of voice mails, etc., that include verbal abuse.”

    http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1582277/20080225/spears_britney.jhtml

  230. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Just working and taking breaks.

    “hopin ill resort to some havoc, end up settlin’ in court”

  231. small hands Says:

    Hello :)
    I hope everyone is enjoying their weekend.
    I am still reading even though I don’t post too often.

  232. missteacher Says:

    Thanks Steel. I just re-read it. So, let me ask you guys this…..is Eardley for sure and completely out? I mean is there still ANY chance he could represent her? If she wants him, is there any way at all the he can be her attorney or help her in any way?

  233. missteacher Says:

    Superior Court of California Conservator details:

    http://www.scselfservice.org/probate/adult/lpsconservator.htm

  234. missteacher Says:

    This is old but I think he knows where loopholes exist and I believe there are always loopholes…..

    http://x17online.com/celebrities/britney_spears/jamies_conservatorship_void_and_invalid-02152008.php

    Here is a post in response from an X’er. I thought it was a good one so I am including it.

    February 15, 2008 8:44 AM
    Posted by: Bill
    I would love to see the California courts forced to defend their treatment of Britney in Federal Court. So many people defend her Father and family for what they are doing, and so many defend the courts actions, it would be real America for her to be able to challenge what she has been made to endure in a Federal court.

    Very specifically, I would like to see the decision to cut off all her visitation with her children. Prove that it is impossible to allow her to see and interact with them because she is a danger to them or admit you were wrong to do this to her Commissioner. I would also like to see her father’s position as conservator defended in light of his skills in managing an estate of the magnitude she has as well as defended based on her long term public displays of her dislike of him. Especially since no medically certified professional was considered.

  235. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Mornin’ Miss T. ~

    Not only is Eardley out, but it appears that John T. Anderson, the lawyer that Eardley and Lutfi asked to represent Brit back in January (and who prepared the documents that Brit supposedly signed) is possibly listed as one of the people supporting the RO against Eardley!

    I’m guessing that Anderson didn’t take to kindly to the fact that Eardley was already shut down once, and perhaps didn’t tell him about the situation?

    Also, it’s apparently against the law for a lawyer to make a blatant solicitation of a client. Which is what Eardley may (or may not) have been doing to Brit with that letter. Someone at another site was wondering if Eardley could be disbarred for this kind of behaviour. (I don’t know about this…Something to look into…?)

    And…I don’t know about you guys, but my first impressions upon reading Eardley’s February 2008 letter were…not good. He’s made Brit a lot of promises that he surely couldn’t keep. (e.g. How in the world could he could he tell her he could get her full custody of her children within 30 to 60 days, considering all the things that had already happened by that point?)

    However…

    Just because Eardley isn’t the right fit doesn’t mean someone else can’t fit the bill. I was wondering earlier what the proper way was for Brit to go about all of this, and I’m not sure if I’ve found the answer yet.

    I’m still looking for the actual LAW that outlines what the proper procedure is. Maybe someone else can post it if they come across it first.

  236. missteacher Says:

    Interesting to read the comments to see what California has let happen during conservatorships (in the comments):

    http://www.californiaprogressreport.com/2006/09/new_landmark_la.html

  237. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Heh…Great minds think alike. ;)

    LOL

  238. missteacher Says:

    Could there have been some politicians wanting to gain momentum for this new bill regarding conservatorships that even put pressure on the LA Superior Court System handling the Britney C-ship? This was the ulitmate “advertisement” for them….

    http://www.metnews.com/articles/2006/cons092806.htm

  239. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    On a different note, has anyone seen the little Blogspot site someone made about Jordan? That’s kind of…creepy.

  240. missteacher Says:

    Did Jamie really want it to end and is this his way of saying….after the tour she is free?

    http://www.inquisitr.com/2440/jamie-spears-hopes-to-end-conservatorship-by-2009/

  241. missteacher Says:

    More of the same tone but much more recent…..
    March 10, 2009

    http://www.hollyscoop.com/britney-spears/britneys-conservatorship-to-come-to-an-end_19546.aspx

  242. missteacher Says:

    Pay attention to “Rights of the Conservatee”

    http://www.courtinfo.ca.gov/selfhelp/seniors/duties.htm

  243. missteacher Says:

    I think the only way out is for her to PROVE beyond reasonable doubt that she can handle her own stuff and then ask for a review to end the c-ship

    Can A Conservatorship Be Removed?

    A conservatorship can be removed in one of several ways:

    1) If your property is used up, the conservatorship ends.

    2) You, your personal representative, the conservator, or any interested party has the right to request the court to redetermine the need for the conservatorship.

    The court will hold a new hearing and consider new evidence. If the court finds that you are capable of handling your financial affairs, the court can “limit” or “end” the conservatorship.

  244. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Ah, THIS is the information I was wondering about all along. Any time I’ve tried to ask about this at other places, I get some big spiel about how horrible Lutfi is or how I’m so dastardly to be posting at JFX. Nobody seems to want to discuss this stuff just for the sake of discussing it – there’s always gotta be some big moral argument attached.

    So, Miss. T…Thank you!

  245. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Further to my comment at 8:19 pm…

    I think that’s EXACTLY what The Machine wanted out of all of this – to paint certain players (e.g. Adnan or Sam) out to be so horrible that the public gets so caught up in arguing about morals that they get distracted from the real issues at hand.

    The law.

  246. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Not sure if that last thought made complete sense. But hopefully you catch my drift.

  247. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    missteacher Says:
    April 6th, 2009 at 8:03 am

    Can A Conservatorship Be Removed?

    …You, your personal representative, the conservator, or any interested party has the right to request the court to redetermine the need for the conservatorship. The court will hold a new hearing and consider new evidence.

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    This seems to be the core of the argument.

    The new evidence would need to come from…a doctor? Or…??

  248. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Well…If the plan back in January was to immediately eliminate the conservatorship, or at the very least get Brit a new conservator, the plan was a big FAIL.

    But if the plan was to bring to the attention of the Commissioner (and the public) that Brit was unhappy, and then slowly set the wheels in motion for an elimination of the conservatorship…then I would think the plan was a success.

    I guess it depends on what the ultimate goal was. Hmmm.

  249. Fantasy Says:

    I’m gonna try to make this quick cuz I don’t have
    a lot of time at the moment.

    Has anyone noticed that Lynne (to my knowledge)
    hasn’t been back in Los Angeles to visit Britney
    since mid-January.

    Wasn’t that the same weekend,that we all now know,
    was when Britney (and Lynne-there’s photos) were
    at the hotel. (And Christina Lutfi)
    I hope I got the dates correct.
    The weekend of Fri. Jan.16-Sun. Jan.18, 2009.

    Christina did testify that she gave Britney the cell phone in the sauna. Didn’t she?
    My point is, or question, do you all think that
    in any way that Lynne could have known something.

    Whether it was about the phone or Britney calling the law office (saying the wrong date in the message, Jan. 18 instead of Jan. 19 in the early am.

    Jordan posted that Lynne was outta there. That she
    and Jamie argued about something and then she
    packed up and flew back to Kentwood. Or was sent
    packing. Can’t remember Jordan’s exact words.

    I don’t know. It was just a thought. Lynne, if she wanted, could petition as well to have the
    c-ship reviewed, modified, or terminated. Or anyone close to Britney could do that. Right?
    That’s what I took from what Miss T posted.

    I read somewhere a while back that if someone petitioned to end their c-ship and was denied,
    they would have to wait 6 months to bring it back
    before a judge to review it and decide again.
    I gotta stop now. I gotta go. Bye.

  250. Amethyst Mine Says:

    # MARK TWAIN Says:
    April 2nd, 2009 at 2:54 pm

    ……….
    …………

    Sorry i went back to this, I wasn’t quite sure if I made it clear enough about how powerful PR works when you have it in your disposal.
    >>>>>>>>>>

    Such as influencing the judge(s). Do we have it on authority that the tape was brought up and it was the judge who brought up the tape?

  251. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Fantasy Says:
    April 6th, 2009 at 12:08 pm

    I read somewhere a while back that if someone petitioned to end their c-ship and was denied,
    they would have to wait 6 months to bring it back
    before a judge to review it and decide again.

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    Well, it appears that Brit didn’t petition to end the C-Ship in January, since John T. Anderson was talked out of trying to rep her before it made it’s way in front of a judge. It was Jamie’s law firm, Luce Forward, that talked Anderson out of it. (I think.)

    Somebody please correct me if I got that wrong.

  252. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Fantasy Says:
    April 6th, 2009 at 12:08 pm

    Wasn’t that the same weekend,that we all now know,
    was when Britney (and Lynne-there’s photos) were
    at the hotel. (And Christina Lutfi)
    I hope I got the dates correct.
    The weekend of Fri. Jan.16-Sun. Jan.18, 2009.

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    LYNNE LEAVES L.A.
    22 Jan 2009, by Jordan Miller

    Lynne was spotted catching a flight at Los Angeles airport LAX Thursday afternoon en route back home to Kentwood, Louisiana….

    http://www.breatheheavy.com/index.php?subaction=showfull&id=1232687945&archive=&start_from=&ucat=&

  253. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Steel. I think it was Andrew Wallet who dissuaded Anderson. Wallet also mocked Anderson’s prepared court filings as documents on “pleadings style” papers.

    I believe Anderson initially contacted Geraldine Wyle but she was “unavailable” so Wallet took the call?

    They have different roles right? One is co-conservator for the estate and the other is Jamie’s lawyer?

    I think Wallet was part of the c-ship’s strategy and that it wasn’t quite so accidental that Wyle was unavailable.

  254. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Okay, just to straighten this out in my head…

    Ingham = Court appointed attorney
    Wallet = Co-conservator (of the estate, but not of the person)
    Wyle = Jamie’s attorney
    Blair Berk = Jamie’s attorney (Brit’s former attorney…or Jamie’s now-former attorney?)

    Are Wallet and Wyle both with Luce Forward? And what about Ingham?

    That’s an open question to anyone…Will try to look it up myself in a bit.

  255. Amethyst Mine Says:

    eeyi.

    I’ve got it, so don’t bother Steel.

    Wallet is with Hinjosa and Wallet. I just noticed Rebecca Swan is also part of the team there. But then it says, “attorneys for Andrew Wallet” on the TRO.

    Wyle and Wexler are with Luce and Hamilton.

    One wonders what the big hurry was that Anderson couldn’t have waited a day to talk with Wyle.

    Oh yeh, the tour.

  256. Amethyst Mine Says:

    One more time Steel. From the extended TRO filed March 13, 2009,

    Boxer and Moore, attorneys for Jamie P. Spears and Andrew Wallet.

    Wyle, Cohen, Wexler, all of Luce, attorneys for the conservator of the Person and Co-conservator of the estate James P. Spears.

    Wallet and Swan, as above, attorneys for Andrew M. Wallet, Co-conservator of the estate.

  257. Amethyst Mine Says:

    I should have said one more entry. Sorry about that.

  258. Amethyst Mine Says:

    In what way has Mr. Wallet been harassed? We all know the answer but thought I’d put the question out there so that the c-ship’s strategy is kept in the light for scrutiny.

  259. MH Says:

    sleuths on the loose

  260. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Glad you didn’t call us loose sleuths! LOL

  261. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Who you, St. Steel? Moi? jamais! mon dieu.

  262. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Detective Magnolia, you think Vicky came through the Millionaire Matchmaker? There doesn’t seem to be any chemistry on her side with K-Fed.

    She seems to be part of an image thingy.

  263. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Leading up to the phone messages:

    BEHIND-THE-SCENES
    10 Jan 2009, by Jordan Miller

    An inside source has revealed to BreatheHeavy.com that the situation behind the scenes concerning Britney has becoming increasingly rocky due to the control by Britney’s conservator / father Jamie. So much so that it has become nearly impossible to work with Britney as a result. And no, not talkin’ bout Andre or Wade.

    Things are brewing!

    http://www.breatheheavy.com/index.php?archive=&id=&start_from=440&subaction=&ucat=

  264. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    The day before:

    PRISONER FORBIDDEN PHONE PRIVILEGES
    09 Jan 2009, by Jordan Miller

    “Britney’s life has been placed on lock-down now that the conservatorship under her father Jamie Spears has been made permanent. Jamie, who now receives $16,000 a month from Britney, micromanages every aspect of Britney’s personal and professional life…

    According to AccessHollywood.com “court papers were filed in Los Angeles Superior Court last Monday, making a judge’s October ruling (which made the conservatorship over Britney permanent) official.

    In the papers pertaining to Britney’s financial matters, it states Britney “is substantially unable to manage … her financial resources or to resist fraud or undue influence.”

    When it comes to control over Britney, herself, the papers state the star is ‘unable properly to provide for his or her personal needs for physical health, food, clothing, or shelter.’”

    So wait, she can go on a world tour, promote her album, make appearances etc., but she can’t feed, clothe, or secure housing for herself? Hmmmmm…

    Just several days after the announcement that Britney’s life will be under a permanent conservatorship, Britney was seen crying as she made her way out of a dance studio after tour rehearsals.

    Then, news of why the conservatorship was made permanent became public, claiming Britney was asked to choose between her kids or the tour. “Whether it was her decision or whether she was pressured into it, Britney’s deal with the devil put the tour ahead of the kids,” an insider tells OK!.

    BULLSHIT! They’re ~allegedly~ FORCING her to tour or they’ll take her kids away! I mean, SOMEONE has to pay all the legal fees, too! And it doesn’t stop there…

    According to new reports, Jamie has now even taken Britney’s phone away after Jamie caught Britney secretly texting a “former flame.”

    “Britney has zero freedom,” says an insider in the latest issue of Star.

    First her freedom, her kids, her money, her independence, and now her access to the outside world? Yes Britney needed someone last year to help her get things in order, but the time has come for Britney to be given a chance to stand on her own two feet! Or find a completely independent conservator that has no relation or ties to Britney and or her family, and one that is not motivated financially as her current conservator is.

    Open your eyes!

    FREE BRITNEY!”

    http://www.breatheheavy.com/index.php?archive=&id=&start_from=440&subaction=&ucat=

  265. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    The day before that:

    WADE ROBSON CONFIRMS: NOT WORKING ON “CIRCUS” TOUR
    08 Jan 2009, by Jordan Miller

    “Wade Robson has finally “cleared the air” on his official website as rumors snowballed claiming he is no longer working with the Spears family as tour director for Britney’s upcoming “Circus” tour, saying:

    quote:
    “Wade & Amanda Robson have decided not to write & direct BRITNEY SPEARS 09 TOUR in order to focus on one of their own projects.”

    In other words, someone paid him off verrrrrrrrrrrrry handsomely to keep his mouth shut. What on Earth could be a bigger project then working as the lead director on a Britney Spears tour?

    Now let’s wait for Andre Fuentes’ predictable Myspace blog claming “things just didn’t work out” for him either. The truth will set you free!”

    http://www.breatheheavy.com/index.php?archive=&id=&start_from=440&subaction=&ucat=

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    I didn’t notice until Breatheheavy was taken down just how much I go to it to finds events, times and dates. The archives are invaluable!

    Interesting.

  266. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Great info and timeline, Steel.

    ok, where are the two kids? K-Fed is buying donuts. If the children are being held in L.A. or if K-Fed is in L.A. for an extended period with Kaplan’s blessing… Are we not seeing the seeing further truth of making Britney bend to the will of Jamie, Lynne, and Kaplan, through her kids?

    Small. Good eye on Lynne’s arrival and departure v. the phone. Why did Jamie Lynn move further into the bible belt? How does Lynne occupy her time? Is Lynne being forced to bend to anything?

  267. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    I’m still searching for the page at BH that comes between January 10th and January 22nd.

    Thank goodness for Google!

  268. Amethyst Mine Says:

    You are smart to search and post right now as things have a way of disappearing around Camp Spears.

    Pleadings style papers and wordy documents.

  269. Amethyst Mine Says:

    http://www.vancouversun.com/entertainment/Britney Spears seen clouds from both sides/1387304/story.html

  270. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    I swear I’ve read that article before. I think it was run in a Toronto paper when she was performing in Toronto and Montreal. Weird.

  271. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Fantasy Says:
    April 6th, 2009 at 12:08 pm

    …Lynne, if she wanted, could petition as well to have the
    c-ship reviewed, modified, or terminated. Or anyone close to Britney could do that. Right?

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    In totally unrelated news…Does anyone have any idea who the “insider” might be?

    http://breatheheavy.com/exhale/viewthread.php?tid=120128

  272. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Interesting…

    From RadarOnline:

    “During a hearing at the Los Angeles Superior Court regarding a restraining order against Lutfi, Christine Lutfi, 25, testified that she met Spears on the fifth floor gym of the Peninsula Hotel in Beverly Hills on January 16.”

    She told the court: “Britney was working out with her mother at the time…she then took the phone and placed it inside a locker.”

    http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/04/exclusive-britney-scared-dad-says-witness

    And from Breatheheavy:

    JAYDEN’S KENTWOOD HOSPITAL STAY COVER UP
    16 Jan 2009, by Jordan Miller

    “BreatheHeavy.com has received word that a major publication is allegedly planning a report that there may have been a cover up story regarding Jayden’s mysterious trip to the Southwest Mississippi Regional Medical Centre in Mississippi during a planned trip to Kentwood, Louisiana back in November.

    Originally, MSN reported Jayden “suffered a suspected seizure,” but The Insider, who has close ties to the Spears family, quickly stepped in “claiming” Jayden had an allergic reaction to food.

    Am hearing there may be testimonies and interviews from hospital staff alleging something far more serious regarding Jayden’s hospital stay in the new report.

    Something’s up.”

    http://www.breatheheavy.com/index.php?subaction=showfull&id=1232157380&archive=&start_from=&ucat=&

  273. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    So…I wonder who Jordan “received word” from about the “cover up”?

  274. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Steel. Maybe there is more than one journalist who sees through the sham. The author is gone until May 4, 2009.

    Surely the date is a coincidence.

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>

    Insider who threatened Jordan? Surreal.

  275. Amethyst Mine Says:

    That was out of context. I meant you deja vu experience re The Vancouver Sun.

  276. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    To put Christina’s efforts in to context:

    BRITNEY THREATENS TO CANCEL TOUR
    16 Jan 2009, by Jordan Miller

    “Ugh, you know me. Can’t let you guys enjoy the tour hype THAT much!

    According to new reports, Britney is threatening to cancel the tour due to the overwhelming pressure and restrictions her father Jamie has instated on Britney’s life, including limiting what she says, who she speaks with, where she goes and what she does.

    “Britney doesn’t want to do it [the tour], and she’s telling her father Jamie that,” an insider tells the National Enquirer. “All the dates are booked – and $100 million would be lost if she bails…”

    HA like she cares if they lose money; they steal hers every day!

    “Both her father and ex-husband Kevin Federline are telling her she has to go on for the sake of her kids and their financial future. So Britney is really feeling the pressure, and she says she can’t handle the tours whirlwind schedule.”

    “She is already exhausted getting in shape for the trip. And her focus has changed, too – Britney just wants to be a stay-at-home mom to her two boys. Britney feels like she is being forced to tour. Jamie has made it clear he wants to get her back to where she was.”

    “Jamie needs this tour for Britney to secure her wealth.”

    It’s also being reported that Kevin Federline will join Britney on tour so Brit’s boys will be near her throughout the “44 performances in 33 cities over 14 weeks.” But what’s the point of having Kevin come if he can’t cash in on Britney, too? Fool apparently wants to make a reality show out of it!

    “Kevin is working on a deal for a reality show based on following her ‘Circus’ tour.”

    Someone explain to me why Britney is held under a conservatorship where she can perform in dozens of cities for months at a time, but is legally considered a child with no freedom or independence. How can she get back that fire in her eyes without being able to stand on her own two feet?

    “Britney can’t back out now-there’s just too much at stake.”

    http://www.breatheheavy.com/archives.php?subaction=showfull&id=1232144866&archive=1239059240&start_from=&ucat=&

  277. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Amethyst Mine Says:
    April 6th, 2009 at 7:05 pm

    Insider who threatened Jordan? Surreal.

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    A trap??

  278. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Si si?

  279. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Familiar voice?

  280. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    EXCLUSIVE FIRST LOOK AT CIRCUS TOUR SETLIST
    25 Jan 2009, by Jordan Miller

    A tour insider has sent in exclusively to BreatheHeavy.com what appears to be the official tour setlist for The Circus Tour Starring Britney Spears, as well as detailed information regarding the third act of the show:

    quote:
    “We’re really going after the whole Amy thing,” says the source. “It’s centered in a club and the stage will have a lot of props dividing it between a bar and a dance floor during this part… It will be a concept of two ‘Britneys’ – Amy and Britney’s night out. They’re doing crazy stuff with lighting, and they needed a lot of room for dancers so it will be very high energy.

    There’s also a scene that’s meant to resemble Britney’s chamber, that follows the club sequence with Blur and lighter notes.”

    http://www.breatheheavy.com/archives.php?subaction=showfull&id=1232914672&archive=1239059240&start_from=&ucat=&

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    Set-up??

  281. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Jordan Miller
    to mmartinmatthew

    show details Feb 16 (3 days ago)

    Reply

    Am forwarding these to my legal representation in case an issue comes up.

    Was advised to cease contact with you.

    Jordan Miller
    - Show quoted text -

    On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 3:50 PM, wrote:

    if you think you’re hurtin’ you ain’t seen nothing yet

  282. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Wow.

  283. Fantasy Says:

    Questions….
    Christina said that she gave Britney the cell ph.
    on Jan. 16, 2009.
    Did she say the name of that hotel?
    I thought that I read it was the Peninsula.
    Is that right?

    I’m asking because the photos I was talking about
    earlier today were of Britney and her mom on Jan.
    18, 2009 @ the Montage.

    What was up that night the X17 pap got beaten up?
    Britney was there, I believe.

    Last week or so I was looking for more info on Jamie Spears other than being The Conservator and
    recovering alcoholic.
    I wanted to know more about the man and better
    understand Jamie’s personality.

    I’m just trying to figure out why, other than the obvious, would Britney still be
    afraid of her dad after all this time?

  284. Fantasy Says:

    Sorry guys. I didn’t know you were on another
    topic. Don’t wanna distract you.
    Just wanted to ask Q’s and clarify what I was
    talking about earlier.

    Carry on Amethyst and St.Mag. :) :)
    Bye again.

  285. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Fantasy. It’s an open forum. I often a post scattered things that no one responds to here, but whatever info is in those items is then declared and in the open.

    Carry on.

  286. Amethyst Mine Says:

    :)

  287. MH Says:

    http://www.tmz.com/2009/04/06/britney-goes-down-under/

  288. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Fantasy Says:
    April 6th, 2009 at 7:49 pm

    What was up that night the X17 pap got beaten up?
    Britney was there, I believe.

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    I wonder if Brit can still remember Felipe’s number from memory?

    He seemed to know exactly where she was within the hotel.

  289. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Ask, you get.

    http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/04/exclusive-photo-gallery-never-seen-photos-britney-spears-bikini-kids

  290. Amethyst Mine Says:

    LOL!

  291. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    I saw that earlier. Made me wonder who the photog was.

  292. missteacher Says:

    Any of you Super Sleuths have the software and/or skill to zoom in on those sunglasses to check the reflection of the photog? ;-)

  293. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Gimme a minute. ;)

  294. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Nope, Teach, but wondering how Radar got the photos and is presenting them now?

    This is the best Lou can do? baaaah.

    Britney and her children are not in the same or proximate cities nor within a commute as the public was led to believe would be the case on this tour.

    ya think?

  295. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Too pixelated.

  296. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Or…. Jamie has been slapped for farming out his daughter to certain paps? Now he is laying low until…

    Australia and Europe. Nice call, James.
    geesus what are you selling out for? Do the kids go with Britney or are they adjusting without her in L.A. with Vicky and K-Fed?

  297. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Opinions on why a decision on Australia etc. may have been delayed?

    Once again Britney was not in court nor was she asked.

    JMHO

  298. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Amethyst Mine Says:

    April 6th, 2009 at 8:48 pm Opinions on why a decision on Australia etc. may have been delayed?

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    The e-mails from the “insider” to Jordan talk about this.

    If I remember correctly, they said at the time that Lawrence was cutting the second leg of the tour to “appease” Brit and make her happy.

    I’ve always wondered why Brit didn’t “finish” the Onyx tour (yes, I know she had a “bad knee” but…)

    Have you ever seen the dates for the Onyx tour that she DID complete? I was shocked at how many shows she did:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onyx_hotel

    Made me wonder if, during every tour, they just kept on adding more and more shows at the end. Why? Take a look at what The Circus is raking in per show:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Circus_Starring:_Britney_Spears

  299. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Amethyst Mine Says:
    April 6th, 2009 at 8:44 pm

    Or…. Jamie has been slapped for farming out his daughter to certain paps? Now he is laying low until…

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    Eh, if I was Jamie I’d be doing the exact same thing. Why let a bunch of strangers make money off your daughter when you can be making the coin yourself?

  300. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Amethyst Mine Says:
    April 6th, 2009 at 8:41 pm

    Nope, Teach, but wondering how Radar got the photos and is presenting them now?

    This is the best Lou can do? baaaah.

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    I immediately thought Adnan took those photos that appeared on Radar today. But then I thought of this:

    “Maybe Britney’s not having more fun as a blonde – yesterday the pop princess decided to go back to black with a DIY dye job (check out her black fingers), but later covered it up with a pink wig!”

    Posted by X17online on December 11, 2007 10:50 AM | Permalink

    http://x17online.com/celebrities/britney_spears/britney_goes_back_to_black-12112007.php

  301. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    So the photos were taken BEFORE December 10, 2007. They look professional.

    Wonder who took them?

  302. MH Says:

    lol parts of this are kinda funny.
    slivers of it sound like ted from e, not saying it is, just sounds a little like him.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HquKm__48VQ&feature=channel_page

  303. MH Says:

    look my moves daddy lol
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Js0Nfg1lEQw&feature=channel_page

  304. Fantasy Says:

    It’s great that the Circus tour is doing so well.
    I’d read about the tour possibly being expanded
    since the first set of dates were announced.
    It wouldn’t surprise me if this tour lasted til the autumn.

    I still thought they’d play it safe and stick to
    just N. Amer. & England.
    Because I thought that the longer Britney’s on tour the chances of her cracking under pressure would increase.
    But, if she’s doing fine now then that’s cool.

    Is that all that was discussed at the hearing today? Nothing else? Okay. ;)

  305. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    MH Says:
    April 6th, 2009 at 10:01 pm

    lol parts of this are kinda funny.

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    I was going to make a smart-ass remark about some people having too much time on their hands…

    But then I remembered there was an old saying…

    Something about a pot and a kettle. LOL

  306. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    On that note…

    Those photos posted on Radar today look like they might have been taken on her birthday last year (December 2) or roundabouts in there:

    http://x17online.com/celebrities/2007/12/index.php?page=23

  307. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Fantasy Says:
    April 6th, 2009 at 10:28 pm

    It’s great that the Circus tour is doing so well.
    I’d read about the tour possibly being expanded
    since the first set of dates were announced.
    It wouldn’t surprise me if this tour lasted til the autumn.
    I still thought they’d play it safe and stick to
    just N. Amer. & England.
    Because I thought that the longer Britney’s on tour the chances of her cracking under pressure would increase.
    But, if she’s doing fine now then that’s cool.
    Is that all that was discussed at the hearing today? Nothing else? Okay.

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    I didn’t understand all the questions about, “Where are the babies?”

    Until now.

    Clearly I’m not too bright.

  308. Amethyst Mine Says:

    No current pics of Brit and kids because Brit is not able to see her kids?

    Or… anyone think anything of dad being back in L.A. and zero news of Britney or the kids?

  309. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    A little story…

    When I was younger, our house used to back on to a school. So all kinds of people would walk past my backyard, on the other side of our fence, to get to their own houses at the end of my street.

    There was this one mother we used to watch pass every day. She had a little red-haired boy, and whenever the boy was bad, she’d make him jump back and forth over a sewer grate as punishment. Back and forth. Back and forth. Over and over and over.

    At first we thought it was strange, but over time my Mom said she was tempted to contact the Children’s Aid. She pointed out that what the woman was doing to her child made absolutely no sense, and could probably be considered psychological abuse.

    I don’t know what ever happened to the boy, but I always wonder what kind of an adult he grew up to be. I have a feeling he’s one messed-up guy.

    I don’t know if this story relates to Brit at all…But it’s the closest thing I can think of to what could possibly be going on. If anything is really going on at all.

    Who knows.

  310. missteacher Says:

    Oh wow…..do any of you remember how Britney started “talking” to the public through her shirts and the ring and what-not awhile back? When I saw this article at X http://x17online.com/celebrities/britney_spears/britney_goes_back_to_black-12112007.php I seriously had dejavu. The black hair, the brown boots, the hoodie, she HAS HER PHONE BACK and is showing it to who (four times)? She is driving at night for coffee. She has the pink wig. She’s playing with the paps. This is Adnan’s Britney!! Poor thing…… I think extending the tour was not something she was happy about and she is letting all of us know that. JMHO And does she have two phones in the pics?

  311. missteacher Says:

    Steel, as you guys know, I work in the social work field and am currently working with foster children and foster parents. One of our policies is explicitly written to prohibit “unproductive work” (ex: moving a pile of rocks from one area to another and then back again and so on”. This is the story of Sisyphus. He pushed the rock up and thought the Gods would be happy with him for working so hard but it was up a hill and as soon as he let go, down rolled the rock. So, he kept pushing that rock up again and again and it rolled right back down again and again. There was never a “finish line”…never a reward for finishing as promised…..sound familiar?

  312. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    “Britney Goes Back To Black” is from December 2007. I posted it in relation to the photos of Brit in a bikini that appeared on RadarOnline yesterday.

    Sorry for the confusion – I was just trying to show that the Radar photos were taken BEFORE Dec. 10, 2007, and before Adnan was officially in the picture.

  313. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    missteacher Says:
    April 7th, 2009 at 8:06 am

    There was never a “finish line”…never a reward for finishing as promised…..sound familiar?

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    I think that unless you’ve witnessed this kind of behaviour first hand, or experienced a dysfunctional family first hand, it’s really hard to imagine what it is like.

    It might be why some people are missing the point about some of these discussions. JMHO.

  314. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    I should add that the woman in my story was doing that to her son because she *thought* nobody was watching.

    You never know what goes on behind closed doors.

  315. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Happy birthday, Jordan!

  316. small hands Says:

    Fantasy I have also noticed Lynn’s absence and I remember that tidbit of information at BH about Lynn’s sudden exit from Cali.
    As to why Britney would still be scared of her father….from what I understand, he was very emotionally and verbally abusive when she was younger. According to Lynn, her kids witnessed a lot of things they shouldn’t have. It wouldn’t surprise me if her father uses the same tone/anger towards her to get what he wants or makes her do what he wants. In being a fan of Britney’s for years, I sense that she internalizes a lot of what she feels. She doesn’t talk about things too much, which isn’t healthy. But at this point, I really don’t see her having anyone she can really talk to and trust. Just my opinion.

  317. small hands Says:

    Question?….If Britney’s money runs dry, the c-ship will end, right?

  318. Amethyst Mine Says:

    I think that is true, Small, as it takes cash to run a c-ship.

    I’ll meanwhile stop asking about the toddlers. Radar had the opportunity to say, hint hint, where are the children right now?

    Brit’s back in L.A. April 16th. It’s in my dreams that the judge asks her to stop in. Can’t you hear Ingham saying, “No, no. That might upset her on the tour. We don’t want to jeopardize her recovery (of $moolah).”

    Steel. I don’t think the doctors come to court. I don’t know if their written assessments after brought to court. If everything is funneled through Ingham, the guy she tried to axe, what may be done?

    When did TMZ first start saying she disliked one less than the other, or something to that effect? Did you already post a link in the past few days?

  319. Amethyst Mine Says:

    She could be there April 21st as well and you already pointed out the last U.S. tour date as May 2nd.

    I’m just saying…

  320. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Another spin.

    http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/2009/04/britney-spears-trying-to-torpedo-conservatorship-banish-dad/

  321. Fantasy Says:

    Hi everybody!
    Amethyst, Britney’s show in Connecticut was
    rescheduled to May 3. And an extra show in
    Montreal was add for May 5.
    So the N.Amer. leg of the tour goes on 3 days more.

    I really don’t think Britney will appear in court
    anymore unless the judge herself asks to see her.

    Is Ingham the one who explains what happened in court to Britney since she can’t go?
    Or her dad and Wallet?
    I might sound crazy but I don’t think things are
    explained to her that well.
    Or she may not undersatand what they say.
    Legal talk can sound foreign.
    It does to me.

    It could be why she turned to A and the other guy
    for assistance.
    Or it could be that Britney simply
    wanted to go around Ingham, her dad, and Wallet.
    She may have felt they’d tell her,”No.”, and she just felt that she had to detour and choose a
    different avenue.
    You know. Just thinking.

  322. missteacher Says:

    Oh sorry on the Brit goes back to black article. I thought that was new! haha! No wonder it looks like th old Brit….it is! Well scratch all that then….except the part about Sisyphus. I still stand by that.

    Do we think there is any coincidence that the tour is extending just past A’s next hearing? I am not sure if the two would have anything to do with one another.

    So the hollywood gossip article says:

    Claims that Britney has been speaking to lawyers to end Jamie’s control have taken a toll on her well-being, people close to her say, and the impact is measurable:

    “[Her people] are scared she’s headed for a breakdown. Britney blames this tour for making her feel insecure. She feels none of her performances are good enough.”

    Well yeah she is probably about to break….how much can one person be used up without breaking down? You know it is just so hypocritical that Jamie feels like he saved her from herself and all the poor choices she was making by associating with Sam and Adnan and spending her money and having no security team and not treating her alleged mental illness etc. In fact, he felt so strongly that she could not feed, clothe, or provide shelter for herself that he took complete control of her life and is using her to build a fortune for her and her children all the while spending tons on the c-ship and attorneys. You have to ask yourself, where is he coming from with this? Money? Ok, I can see that he is making money but, what else? It doesn’t seem to be ONLY about money. What is he getting out of this? Obvisouly, she is not really happy. So, what is it? Didn’t he tell her in the beginning that he would help her get her kids back but she had to do everything he said? Something like that anyway. To me, he is still using that promise. “I can get you the boys back but you have to let me help you no matter what that means for you”. That of course is not a direct quote but something that I can imagine might have been said. And MAYBE he really is in that place. Maybe he really is trying to accomplish that goal at any cost and that cost must be funded by Brit in the form of continuing the tour.

    What do you guys think about that theory?

  323. Fantasy Says:

    Hi. Me again. :)
    Britney’s Tweet (Is that how u say it?
    said that she’s in LA w/ the babies.
    This new tweet actually reads like it could
    really be from Britney.
    Oh, IDK if LA is Los Angeles or Louisiana.
    Just letting you know.
    The babies are w/ their mommy. Aww.

  324. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Fantasy. You never know who reads here….it could be a coincidence though or maybe more people were asking after the children beyond me.

    As for Ingham, my understanding is that he is not just her voice, but yes the one to explain legal things to her.

    btb, it wasn’t Britney’s doctors who said she didn’t have the capacity, it was Sam Ingham who said she lacked the capacity to understand the proceedings and to hire her own attorney.

    Is that right?

    Missteacher, what else is he getting? I dunno. You think his pride back? He’s the big man now, he calls the shots while she puts on a show.

  325. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Fantasy. I did not realize the change in concert dates. Thank you.

  326. MH Says:

    http://perezhilton.com/2009-04-07-fill-in-the-blank-296

  327. Amapola Says:

    Anyone who can see what the other emblems, beside Lions, who are on this Keenwood board?

    http://gfx.aftonbladet-cdn.se/multimedia/dynamic/00869/04s36-britneyskylt-_869714b.jpg

  328. Fantasy Says:

    Hi, Amapola.
    The other two emblems are of the Rotary Club
    and the Masonic Lodge.

  329. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Wow, MH.

  330. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Ama. I don’t know where the Masonic Lodge stands today (still all men???) but their biggest secret is said to be that they have no secrets.

    At least not between each other. I think it is still a fraternal organization.

    —–
    Britney flipped the bird because _________.

    Another take: ‘Here Birdie Birdie

    Apr – 07 | By: Poor Britney | no comments.

    Filed under : BRITNEY NEWS – GOSSIP

    Britney gives the finger during her Piece of Me performance Monday night in Canada. What was that all about? It’s been a few days/week since we saw her do anything craazy on stage like Merry Christmas and Bitch! Maybe that’s for all the critics. Maybe she’s flippin off her Free Britney crazies. Maybe it’s for Sam or Adnan.

    She’s feelin feisty y’all!’
    http://www.poorbritney.com/blog/?p=6616

  331. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Well. This is starting to get interesting.

  332. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Indeed. Do her lips seem to fit the f word?

    None of the concert goers posted to BH about this?

    Guess her mike was turned off.

  333. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Bh’ers on a quick check, aren’t talking about it in the open forum. Any Exhalers out there?

    If Exhalers talk about it does it make it more credible or real?

    When did BH become a real burr in Jamie’s side?

    Realistically, few websites quoted BH as Jordan quoted other sites, just like they do ennui in the blogosphere, daily.

    What’s the big deal with Jordan? He ran a blog.

  334. MH Says:

    FTR extra scenes
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58eUn7IU76U

  335. small hands Says:

    She flips the bird during “Piece of Me”? Well, who is getting a piece of her right now? Her dad, his 50 security peeps, 100 lawyers, and 150 doctors….just throwing another idea out there. Will it stick?

  336. Fantasy Says:

    She flips the bird in the Piece Of Me video too.
    I wouldn’t read too much into it.
    I thought that’s what she always did anyway during
    that song.
    I’ll check YouTube later.

  337. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Amethyst Mine Says:
    April 8th, 2009 at 1:34 am

    What’s the big deal with Jordan? He ran a blog.

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    Maybe it became a problem when fans started hunting down Brit’s father and management at concerts during the “If U Seek Brett” game. Perhaps it started to dawn on them the influence Breatheheavy had over the fans?

    Just guessing.

  338. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Fantasy Says:
    April 8th, 2009 at 3:59 am

    She flips the bird in the Piece Of Me video too.
    I wouldn’t read too much into it.

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    She was flipping the bird in those shots in Japan, too.

    …Now if she had shouted the F-word into the mic and the whole arena heard it, it would’ve been a bit more fun. LOL

  339. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    small hands Says:
    April 8th, 2009 at 2:00 am

    She flips the bird during “Piece of Me”? Well, who is getting a piece of her right now? Her dad, his 50 security peeps, 100 lawyers, and 150 doctors….just throwing another idea out there. Will it stick?

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    And…The owners of this Web site every time someone purchases one of their Brit pics.

    Girl’s got a whole economy built around her:

    http://www.portfolio.com/culture-lifestyle/culture-inc/arts/2008/01/14/Britney-Spears-Career-Analysis

    I wonder how much that has changed over the past year?

  340. MH Says:

    http://perezhilton.com/2009-04-08-britney-does-it-again-more-diarrhea-of-the-mouth

  341. Fantasy Says:

    Boy, Britney seems to be rebelling majorly.
    She unloaded the other c-word in Edmonton.
    I think you’ll get a kick out of it.
    It’s funny. Not just like ha ha ha.
    But also in a strange way.
    Do you think she plans this?
    This can’t be accidental.

    I think out loud too.
    Just when no one is around.
    Do mental illness and verbal outbursts correlate?

  342. MH Says:

    http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/04/exclusive-interview-christina-lutfi-how-she-smuggled-cell-phone-britney-spears

  343. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Fantasy Says:
    April 8th, 2009 at 10:45 am

    I think out loud too.
    Just when no one is around.
    Do mental illness and verbal outbursts correlate?

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    I don’t know about verbal outbursts, but I do know I’ve read that one symptom of ADD is having to do things “their way” instead of following society’s rules.

    Some other symptoms:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adult_attention-deficit_disorder

    I don’t mean to diagnose her whatsoever, but think how something as simple as ADD (I think Lynn’s Feb. ‘08 declaration listed ADD medication as one of the prescriptions she was taking) could effect the situation. E.g. Think about the “proper” way for Brit to get out of the C-Ship (as posted by Miss T. above), vs. “speaking out” during concerts.

    Interesting.

  344. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    That interview with Christina has a lot of impact – especially the last 30 seconds.

    It’s too bad a couple of other people wouldn’t come forward and talk on camera, just so that others could get a feeling for the kind of the kind of life that Brit’s living right now.

  345. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Yeah, so there are a couple of extra words in that last post. Sorry.

  346. MH Says:

    If someone has signed an NDA can they speak in court about subject matter that would fall under the NDA?

  347. Amethyst Mine Says:

    MH, I did a brief search. Seems that a deposition by subpoena would free one’s lips.

  348. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    I like free lips.

  349. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    I’ve just been watching Baby One More Time in New Orleans vs. her most recent show in Edmonton…

    Brit’s dancing has REALLY improved. Her first show, it looked like her feet were nailed to the floor. Now she’s really starting to loosen up.

    It’s kinda fascinating watching it.

  350. MH Says:

    free lips…LOL
    http://dlisted.com/node/31500

  351. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Okay, THAT’s funny!! :)

  352. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    In honour of Brit performing in Vancouver tonight…

    If you guys know of anyone else besides Christina who feels like sharing, here’s a great forum:

    http://www.cbc.ca/thehour/

    Just sayin’. ;)

  353. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Who’s Christina?

    I loved catching up on Sinnead O’Connor and hearing her views on Britney.

    No idea when she was interviewed, but what she says rings as true for now as it might have if filmed in 2007.

  354. Amethyst Mine Says:

    http://www.cbc.ca/thehour/videos.html?id=626756807

  355. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Thanks, Steel! Very cool. I misspelled Sinead. oh well

  356. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    I have a huge crush on George Stroumboloupoulis, by the way. LOL

    TMI?!

  357. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    I was thinking of this show a while back (Nov? Dec?) when I suggested talking to the international media instead of the US tabloid media. The CBC is apparently not taking on any new docs at the moment due to the economy and some massive lay-offs, but they might be interested in fitting the story in to an existing show like The Hour??

    They currently don’t have anyone covering the Britney story right now apart from the news that’s already out there. FYI.

  358. Amapola Says:

    I´m so f***ing glad I´m living in my country. I can speak free and I can have my own personality and don’t have to be afraid of hippocratic peoples opinions.
    I don’t have to be conformed to a non-personality person.
    What a horror! If a person said someting who not are after a manuscript or if a person doing or saying something racy, or funny, they are classified as having a disorder!

    Hope Britney someday can have a true freedom of speak and living.

  359. Amethyst Mine Says:

    I watched the full interview.

    http://www.cbc.ca/thehour/videos.html?id=728654657

    They took out the part about Britney, but released it as a separate clip?

    Sinead sure seems like someone who could help free Britney and her story is fascinating between being young, bi-polar, and more.

    I don’t know if Brit is bi-polar but what an interesting insightful interview by Sinead.

    Steel. I was thinking France at some point but Canada? Absolutely. ha ha ha — I sent something to Vancouver the other day. Grass roots effort, okay, but I figure pops can’t get to Canada as easily as he can get to some others.

    Murdock?

  360. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    I could be wrong, but I get the feeling that in North America, as you move North to South, people get more and more conservative in their language and their views. (Right or wrong? I’ve never really travelled in the southern U.S., apart from short trips to L.A. and Vegas, so I don’t know.)

    For instance, I personally, don’t think it’s bad what Brit said at the concert in Edmonton (just funny!)…But the fact that Perez designated a post to it says something.

    Another example…Did you know that it’s legal for woman to walk around topless in Ontario? What would happen if someone were to do that in the U.S.? Would people think that person has “issues”?

    Ama, I’m with you what you’re saying…But Brit IS doing things that are against social “norms.” So if she doesn’t have a “disorder,” then she’s possibly doing it on purpose to tick certain people off.

    Which, to me, is even funnier.

  361. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Heh, pops is in Canada tonight, I’m sure. Physically anyways.

    The Canadian news is quite different than the American news. It would probably put you all to sleep, but it’s MUCH more…newsy?

    It’s not celebrity-focused at ALL. Very unbiased.

  362. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Steel. I believe that is true but will wait for Gigi, Missteacher and KLM to weigh in as they are the self-declared Southerners. The South remains the bible belt of the US not to mention the slowest to accept equality amongst all others, whether based on sex or race.

    West to East is also something to consider. Arizona is laid back but not quite like the coastline of California.

    I too think what Britney said is funny. I loved Merry Christmas the most, but I get more serious when I wonder what she’s up to: the girl is intelligent.

    Ama. I am free to say what I wish in this country but I adore that in your country you can write people off as having a disorder.

    That’s pretty funny considering what you have labeled some people here as when angered. It’s been no laughing matter nor of the patience you seem to describe of your country’s tolerance for differences in others and their voice.

    Pretty funny.

  363. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Eh, I don’t think disorders are funny. My second-last comment came out wrong.

  364. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Mine didn’t but it’s been awhile since we had any controversy or high spirits. Maybe Cloud is right.

    Am I a mischief maker? Nah, that’s not what she said.

    Steel, I think that in the North and the West we are a more transient bunch plus we absorbed the waves of immigrants from the early 1900s. We are perhaps a bigger olio of backgrounds than in the more established South.

    If you look at earlier immigration you’ll find immigrants landing on the shores of the east coast then moving to the south and from there to the Midwest then west and southwest.

    p.s. there are beaches in Seattle and beyond where a person may go topless. There’s a known park near where Kurt Cobain had a house and where he died. The park is less than 15 minutes from downtown.

  365. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Okay, Canada had the Underground Railroad, so I believe the part about “acceptance” based on race.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underground_Railroad

    We also signed treaties with our Aboriginal people rather than using other methods…Though I can’t say our treatment of them since then has been very acceptable.

    As far as people being laid back? We seem to be the most laid back on the west coast, followed by the east coast, and tend to get more and more uptight as we travel towards the centre. (I’m more from the centre…Can you tell? LOL)

    But overall, I think we’re quite tolerant of all kinds of people. Same-sex marriage? Passed in 2005. Just as an example

  366. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Canada was still being settled, and treaties with the Indians still being signed, into the 1920’s and 1930’s, so yes, I see what you mean about waves of immigration affecting our attitudes.

    Many of my friends have moved to Vancouver to get away from the bad weather and bad attitudes here. Then they make fun of “home” (wherever home is), and lovingly make up names for where they came from. (e.g. Ontario becomes Onterrible, etc.)

    I don’t know what this has to do with Brit…But I’m sure I’ll be able to connect it back somehow. LOL

  367. Amethyst Mine Says:

    It’s funny that Perez of all people labeled Brit’s comments as inappropriate. What a jerk.

  368. Amapola Says:

    “Steel_Magnolia Says:
    April 8th, 2009 at 3:22 pm

    ……
    Ama, I’m with you what you’re saying…But Brit IS doing things that are against social “norms.” So if she doesn’t have a “disorder,” then she’s possibly doing it on purpose to tick certain people off.
    Which, to me, is even funnier.”
    ***********************************

    Steel, I´m so sorry I don’t have the whole english language to argue with.. :(
    I mean that she can say whatever she want to. Why is everybody so petulant? I don’t understand this hysteric obsession in every word she say on the stage.
    Its a show. I´m, sure she having fun the most of the time. And then she say something who someone have to make a note about, (money money money)…
    Big fuzz about nothing, I say. :)

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    “Amethyst Mine Says:
    April 8th, 2009 at 3:38 pm ..
    ….
    Ama. I am free to say what I wish in this country but I adore that in your country you can write people off as having a disorder.
    That’s pretty funny considering what you have labeled some people here as when angered. It’s been no laughing matter nor of the patience you seem to describe of your country’s tolerance for differences in others and their voice.
    Pretty funny.”
    ****************

    Dear AM
    I sure you refer to me having the opinion that Sam Lufti is mythomaniac?
    Let him into your head AM, and you end up beliving storys that is an insult to both your nous and your intelligence.

  369. Amapola Says:

    http://cdn.stereogum.com/img/rockout.jpg

    ;)

  370. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Amapola Says:
    April 8th, 2009 at 4:17 pm

    I mean that she can say whatever she want to. Why is everybody so petulant?

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    I wish I could find words to describe this myself…

    If it was, say, Anthony Kiedis, and he told the crowd they were all going to, “rock out with their cocks out,” it wouldn’t seem strange…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06Dql7EiMWE

    But because it’s Britney, everyone gets in a big kerfuffle. It’s as if we have different standards for our pop stars than we do for our rock stars. Or maybe just different standards for Brit – because if someone like Pink had said that, I don’t think anyone would’ve thought twice.

  371. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Hmmm…Maybe we’re all still trying to fit Britney into that same mold that was created back in 1999. The innocent vixen. The girl who was going to be a virgin until marriage, and would never do such a thing as swear.

    But if so, whose fault is that? I’d say it’s her managment’s, seeing as they plunked her right back into the same career she had in 2004 (pre-marriage and pre-motherhood), as if nothing ever happened.

  372. Amethyst Mine Says:

    True Steel, but this is no Britney we’ve seen before. We never saw her crotch in concert before this tour under ‘Daddy.’

  373. Amethyst Mine Says:

    eww that sounded ickee

  374. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Wow, Ama. Interesting clue. K-Fed and the hat.

    Wonder if Britney is delivering some goods on stage to K-Fed rather than Jamie. Merrrry Christmas! Beetch.

  375. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Amethyst Mine Says:
    April 8th, 2009 at 5:33 pm True Steel, but this is no Britney we’ve seen before. We never saw her crotch in concert before this tour under ‘Daddy.’

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    Does it get it’s own microphone? Back-up singers? LOL

    See:

    MH Says:
    April 8th, 2009 at 2:07 pm

  376. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Umm…AM…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3B9qIJhRNog

    This ain’t Daddy’s doing. It’s Larry’s!!

  377. Amethyst Mine Says:

    I did I did! I thought it was funny but now the more apropos.

  378. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    I asked myself…

    Steel, why does Daddy go along with everything that management proposes to him? (‘Cause I doubt Jamie’s hatching all these tour plans, videos and promotions himself.)

    I mean…Look where he was five years ago. And then look at where Brit was five years ago. Then think about WHO was surrounding Brit at the time.

    I’m steppin’ out on a limb here and disagreeing with Twain. ‘Cause I’m not certain it’s Jamie on his own who’s behind all of this. Seems more like some tag team action going on to me.

  379. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    That’s just my uninformed opinion, formed while sitting behind my ‘puter. :)

  380. Amethyst Mine Says:

    oooooooooO

  381. Amethyst Mine Says:

    oooo at the video.

    Dang. So much for Larry helping anyone. Britney is his triumph over kid or meanie who ever said to him you’re ugly and nothing. e.t.c.

    Damn. We are back to K-Fed, Lynne, Jamie, Larry, or was it always the Larry show?

    Thx for the vid, Steel. oh shyt.

  382. MH Says:

    I think most of the sexual stuff comes from Britney herself. Sure, Larry and Jive and whoever contbribute. But I think she pushes things as far as they will let her.

  383. MH Says:

    In some ways the big bad mr. spears is a pawn himself.

    oh god…are we back to pawns….lol

  384. MH Says:

    >>>Interesting stuff, but do remember two words—checkbook journalism.

    is the jfx’s way of saying it didn’t go down that way?

  385. MH Says:

    this

  386. Amethyst Mine Says:

    What do we know about Larry?

    Hips, lips and hair.

  387. Amethyst Mine Says:

    He knows marketing.

  388. Amethyst Mine Says:

    checkbook journalism

    Christina did blink her eyes alot.

  389. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    I noticed the blinking too. And the averting the eyes thing. Especially at the start.

  390. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    …And watch her chest at the start. Shallow breathing.

  391. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    MH Says:
    April 8th, 2009 at 6:39 pm

    I think most of the sexual stuff comes from Britney herself. Sure, Larry and Jive and whoever contbribute. But I think she pushes things as far as they will let her.

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    Agreed. I always got the feeling that the Britney we saw in 2007 more or less IS the real Britney. So it’s not the vixen part that’s a creation – it’s the innocent part.

    And I don’t think that’s necessarily bad, either. Judging from all the photos and video I saw of her in 2007, she wouldn’t have a hard time fitting in with my friends and I when we go out on a Saturday night. That’s not to say we go around doing BAD things, but we’re not as pure as the driven snow. Just…normal. (I think?! LOL)

    Things definitely got out of hand with Brit by a certain point in 2007…But don’t all people go through rough patches? Hers was probably quite exagerated due to her celebrity status. But still.

  392. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Amethyst Mine Says:
    April 8th, 2009 at 6:14 pm

    Damn. We are back to K-Fed, Lynne, Jamie, Larry, or was it always the Larry show?

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    As far as money is concerned…

    Jamie has a set amount he can make off of all of this, right?

    But Larry…Larry makes a percentage of whatever Brit brings in during a year. What is the correct amount? Something like 20%?

    Look at how much each show is bringing in during this tour (scroll down to the Box Office Score Data):

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Circus_Starring:_Britney_Spears

    Then think of how much extra Larry (and team) makes for each additional show that is tacked on at the end.

    I could be wrong here, but isn’t it Larry that has the extra incentive to push for more shows, not Jamie??

  393. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    http://www.poker777.com/20060108/britney-spears-brings-new-baby-to-poker-party_5c7e_ofbcdr.php

  394. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    http://www.allbusiness.com/services/motion-pictures/4812940-1.html

  395. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maloof_Productions

  396. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    http://www.sunsettan.com/company.php

  397. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2004/Oct-10-Sun-2004/news/24959705.html

  398. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    http://www.iannschonken.com/page7/page7.html

  399. MH Says:

    http://perezhilton.com/2009-04-09-drama-at-britney-spears-concert

  400. MH Says:

    http://www.vancouversun.com/Entertainment/Live+blog+Britney+Spears+brings+Circus+Vancouver/1479325/story.html

  401. Fantasy Says:

    I don’t blame her.
    I hate the smell of weed.
    It grosses me out.
    Weed is wack! ;)

  402. small hands Says:

    Did she really say “don’t smoke weed”? If she did, WTH, smoking cigarettes are worse aren’t they?

    Brit needs a civil rights attorney.

  403. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Heh. Telling people in Vancouver, “Don’t smoke weed,” is like telling people in Los Angeles to, “stay out of the sun.”

    Canadians move to Vancouver FOR the weed! LOL

  404. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    There was a theme to all those links I posted last night, by the way. I guess they were aimed more towards a super sleuth than anyone. ;)

  405. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Check out the “Womanizer” video on Breatheheavy from last night…

    Did she just use the C-word AGAIN?!

  406. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    I need to watch more videos from last night, but she looked like she was acting darn snooty! If I paid that much money to go see her and that happened, I wouldn’t be too happy. If she thinks there’s a lot of pot-smoking going on at one of her concerts, she obviously has never been to see a band like Metallica, or even U2 or AC/DC.

    And telling the crowd, again, to, “Rock out with their cocks out…” She GOT to be doing it to tick off her management. Right?!

  407. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Not only did she say that, but she ended it with, “Peace, motherf@ckers!” I think they started to cut her audio at the end, so the last part is hard to hear.

    http://perezhilton.com/2009-04-09-britney-is-cock-obsessed

  408. Fantasy Says:

    Well now I understand what Linda meant
    by checkbook journalism.
    Christina loves the sight of them 0’s.
    Figures.

  409. Fantasy Says:

    I know now where those pictures of Britney
    and the boys from Dec.07 came from.
    Either her or her bro Sam.
    Paid for by Radar.
    It figures.
    Oh, well.

  410. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Fantasy Says:
    April 9th, 2009 at 9:25 am

    I know now where those pictures of Britney
    and the boys from Dec.07 came from.
    Either her or her bro Sam.
    Paid for by Radar.

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    Damn, I didn’t even make the connection. I wonder how many other sets of photos he has in his possession. Probably troves. They look professional, too. Dude will never have to work again if he slowly leaks those over the next few years.

    Gotta hand it to him – he’s wily.

  411. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/04/britney-spears-stops-concert-over-pot-smell-swears-crowd

  412. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/04/exclusive-christina-lutfi-britney-shes-not-crazyshe-wants-out

  413. Amapola Says:

    DRAMA! DRAMA! DRAMA!

    Oh what a DRAMA for all dramaqueens, male as females! What shall they do with their lifes if they dont have all the DRAMA????

    Was it not so that the insurance company demand NO drugs what so ever from all people involved in the show?
    I can walk through a room where someone smoke weed, not smoking myself, and giving a positive test if someone want to testing me.

    IF that was not the issue, I´m sure all the people involved in the show on stage and around it, NOT take a paus if it absolut nessesarly.

    But ohh, there are always room for a DRAMA! And someone to blame…

  414. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Whether she got paid or not, Christina basically just repeated everything I was already thinking about this whole situation. (Okay, almost everything.)

    It’s nice to actually hear someone come out and just SAY it, instead of everyone pretending that everything is peachy keen.

  415. Amapola Says:

    C say everything that bro Sam want her to say.

  416. Amapola Says:

    I do belive Britney can do her life herself, but MG, not beside, or “helpt” by C and S Lufti!

  417. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Amapola Says:
    April 9th, 2009 at 10:53 am

    IF that was not the issue, I´m sure all the people involved in the show on stage and around it, NOT take a paus if it absolut nessesarly.

    IF that was not the issue, I´m sure all the people involved in the show on stage and around it, NOT take a paus if it absolut nessesarly.

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    I’ve been to a lot of bigger concerts in stadiums and arenas (U2, Audioslave, AC/DC, Madonna x 2, Janet Jackson, Tina Turner, Neil Diamond, Shania Twain, Dixie Chicks, tons of Canadian bands, etc.), and I’ve never seen a show stopped for so long, and in such a manner. And, I’ve quite often heard the bands tell the crowd to, “smoke ‘em if you got ‘em.” So it really is rather odd.

    That being said, you could be right about the drug testing thing, especially if her father is constantly reminding her of her visitation rights.

    If Brit walks off stage and refuses to perform, the entire show comes to a grinding halt. And it looks like that’s just what happened.

  418. Amapola Says:

    Yes Steel_, and don’t forget her biggest mistake, Kevin Federline and his bloodhound Kaplan…

  419. Amethyst Mine Says:

    What if Britney was just being sarcastic? All she’s missing is a ‘yeh right.’

    Why did it take so long to inform (come up with an excuse?) the crowd?

    What if Britney signed something about particular behavior on stage and this ’speaking out’ is her way of going around it?

    As for Christine, she said the same thing in court but when it comes to Lutfis… can one believe them? Certainly I think there is a certain shade of truth to what she says.

    How much is a prepaid Nokia cell-phone? Why did it have to come from Adnan? Who involved who?

  420. Amethyst Mine Says:

    http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2009/04/02/is-britney-spears-life-a-prison-under-conservatorship-accusations-fly-in-courtroom/

    They’ve become consistent in their stance.

  421. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Amethyst Mine Says:
    April 9th, 2009 at 12:49 pm

    What if Britney was just being sarcastic? All she’s missing is a ‘yeh right.’

    >> That’s what I was thinking.

    Why did it take so long to inform (come up with an excuse?) the crowd?

    >> Good question. Was something going on back stage that we don’t know about?

    What if Britney signed something about particular behavior on stage and this ’speaking out’ is her way of going around it?

    >> Or what if she’s purposely becoming unpredictable as a way to force her father/management into giving her something she wants? A bit of psychological blackmail?

    As for Christine, she said the same thing in court but when it comes to Lutfis… can one believe them?

    >> Probably not.

    Certainly I think there is a certain shade of truth to what she says.

    >> “A shade of truth” is a great expression.

    How much is a prepaid Nokia cell-phone? Why did it have to come from Adnan? Who involved who?

    >> I’ve always wondered that myself…I’ve got an inkling about how all this started, but…

    Let’s just say, if I was Adnan and I was hatching the plan, I doubt I would’ve chosen Christina Lutfi as my mode of delivery.

  422. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Sorry, that was longer than I thought it would be.

  423. Amethyst Mine Says:

    sweeeeet links, Steel. I didn’t realize Rudolph and Maloof were so tight.

    I also hadn’t seen Geffen’s name in a long while. Geffen used to be the shyt. I guess he still is.

    Wow. That’s a powerful empire. Wasn’t there a period of time when it was only Rudolph or Maloof constantly at Britney’s side? I always felt like they were guarding their merchandise rather than protecting her or keeping her company.

    Also, did you think the VMAs were rigged? I did. It seemed certain she was going to win. I’m not saying she didn’t deserve to win just it seemed so in-the-bag.

    MTV has not played nice when it comes to Adnan or just plain reporting facts in a fair manner about Britney.

  424. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Another example of what I meant by maybe, “she’s purposely becoming unpredictable as a way to force her father/management into giving her something she wants?”

    Jan. 3/04 – Marries Jason Alexander in Vegas
    Mar. 2/04 – Onyx Hotel Tour starts

    Ever wonder if she just didn’t want to go on tour, and somehow thought that getting married would spring her from it?

    The tour was later cancelled after the European leg due to a “bad knee.”

    See any patterns?

  425. Amethyst Mine Says:

    On a funnier note, what if my benign theory that she’s saying stuff to Kevin is true?

    ‘Don’t smoke weed, motherf-r’ ha ha

    I wouldn’t have thought that unless Ama hadn’t posted K-Fed in the rocks and c–ks cap.

    Is Britney demonstrating that she does have some power? Still no pics of Brit with her kids and we know her twitter account is faux — I think anyway.

  426. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Amethyst Mine Says:
    April 9th, 2009 at 1:48 pm

    …That’s a powerful empire. Wasn’t there a period of time when it was only Rudolph or Maloof constantly at Britney’s side? I always felt like they were guarding their merchandise rather than protecting her or keeping her company.

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    Oh, and that’s just the start of it. I wonder where Jamie fits in to it all?

    Also, did you notice who was there the morning after her marriage to Jason Alexander?

  427. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Maloof, Lynne Spears, and an attorney?

    Below is not much of anything …

    http://www.lvrj.com/news/9731357.html

    The disaster VMAs were on Maloof properties and he made a lot of cha-ching.

    I so don’t want to bring up Paris Hilton again but of anyone we’ve talked about in the past year, Maloof is the most likely person to have introduced and encouraged them to be seen together.

  428. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    P.S. I always felt like maybe they used her for publicity for their own products, for which she wasn’t a part of.

    For example:

    http://www.film.com/tv/sunset-tan/story/tv-dvd-getting-burned-sunset/22113081

    Do you think Brit KNEW there were going to be cameras there when she got to the tanning salon? I saw the footage (on ET?) when it first aired, and she remarked that she was embarassed about not having had a pedicure in a while…

    I think that’s when my distaste for her manager began. Little did I know he actually OWNED the tanning salon, AND the reality show that was filming there.

  429. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Amethyst Mine Says:
    April 9th, 2009 at 1:59 pm

    Maloof, Lynne Spears, and an attorney?

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    Maloof, Larry, Bryan, a notary public and an attorney.

  430. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Amethyst Mine Says:
    April 9th, 2009 at 1:59 pm

    The disaster VMAs were on Maloof properties and he made a lot of cha-ching.

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    Right you are. She clearly wasn’t ready for that performance. I wonder if anyone talked her into it?

  431. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    “Celebrity Chef and Personality”

    http://www.tristarse.com/

    Who is he a chef for? Yep.

  432. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Sorry, who WAS he a chef for? Typo.

  433. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    And I see “Britney Spears” has now been added to the Client List.

    She wasn’t there a couple of months ago.

  434. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Sorry. I knew I needed to go back and read through the link you posted.

    There was also that Wright-managed N’sync guy who spent an hour with her.

    Ok, I will go back and look at the link. I would like to know if he just happened to be there or was flown in along with Lynne.

    Geez, Steel. I can’t imagine being confronted by Maloof, Larry, Bryan, Lynne, an attorney, and a peer or friend in the N’Sync guy.

    When did Leber become a part of this group? That’s a question for when I get bored or have my work done for today.

  435. Amethyst Mine Says:

    We want Britney.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2009/04/09/2009-04-09_whaa_britney_spears_leaves_the_stage_in_vancouver_during_circus_tour.html

    The end of the tape is the most interesting.

  436. Amethyst Mine Says:

    ‘Many boos later, Spears returned, performed her ballad “Everytime” and once again left the stage … more than a minute before the song was finished.’

    from the same link.

    Is this true??

  437. Amethyst Mine Says:

    That is scary, Steel. I’ll find the date of the TriStar letter from the Wright case.

    OMG. Lou is raking it in on the Circus Tour.

    I keep hearing an expression I heard years ago.

    “Stick with me and we’ll all make money.”

    There was an implied, let me do what I do, don’t question, and we’ll all make money.

  438. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Amethyst Mine Says:
    April 9th, 2009 at 2:12 pm Sorry.

    When did Leber become a part of this group? That’s a question for when I get bored or have my work done for today.

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    He appears to be an employee of Larry’s at “Total Entertainment and Arts Marketing.” So he’s an underling, I think.

  439. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Brit’s contract with Jive appears to be up. I wonder who she’ll sign with next?

    http://www.maloofproductions.com/mec.html

    ??

  440. Amethyst Mine Says:

    11/18/2008

    EXHIBITS IN SUPPORT OF I – DEFENDANTS’ LETTER OF 8/5/08 AND TRISTAR ENCLOSURE

    I think this was in support of a motion to compel Camp Spears to complete the answers on the first set of interrogatories.

    12/18 EXHIBITS IN SUPPORT OF B – TRI-STAR LETTER 7.24.08

    Orange County restructured their database and omitted the codes for who was filing what.

    Tri-Star being involved makes a little more sense now, thanks to your sleuthing.

  441. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Personally, I hope she’s out of the conservatorship and has a chance to take a break before signing any new recording contracts.

    It would be nice if she could take some time away and have time to think on her own before starting any new endeavors.

  442. Fantasy Says:

    Sorry to cut in.

    Have any of you ever watched E’s Dr.90210?
    I can’t remember which season (it could be on dvd)
    I saw it, but believe it or not Jamie Spears
    (I swear it was him) used to at a time work for
    Dr. Paul Nassif-a Bev.Hills cosm. surgeon, etc.

    Guess who Dr. Paul Nassif’s wife is.
    Adrienne Maloof-Nassif.
    George’s sister.

  443. Fantasy Says:

    I remember Sunset Tan. Mainly the Olly Girls.
    They’re so incredibly dumb!
    Could have been putting on the extra dumb
    for the show.

    Anyway. The episode that I saw Jamie in he was,
    where else, in the kitchen.
    I can’t remember if he worked exclusively for
    The Nassif’s or other Maloof family members.
    The Nassif’s have a luxurious home.
    Totally stunning.

    Is Jamie just that great of a cook/chef that
    he’s able to work for such high end people?
    Amethyst, you read Lynne’s book, did she ever
    say what culinary school Jamie attended?
    Does one need a license to be a chef?
    I so don’t know.
    I guess it’s okay. They’re all still alive.

    I don’t recall any mention of that in the book.
    Maybe Britney or Larry hooked Jamie up?
    I was lurking again. If anything else comes to
    me I’ll let you know.

  444. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Fantasy Says:
    April 9th, 2009 at 3:18 pm

    I guess it’s okay. They’re all still alive.
    I don’t recall any mention of that in the book.
    Maybe Britney or Larry hooked Jamie up?
    I was lurking again. If anything else comes to
    me I’ll let you know.

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    It would be interesting to hear the story of how things transpired between this:

    http://popdirt.com/britney-spears-parents-are-getting-divorced/4654/

    …And him being hired as a “chef” in Los Angeles. It seems like a big difference in lifestyles.

  445. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Very interesting, Fantasy. And remember where Brit’s birthday party for her sons last year?

    ‘Britney Spears younger sister, Jamie Lynn, 17, had traveled from Louisiana with her new baby Maddie for the event, which took place at the Beverly Hills home of Adrienne Maloof-Nassif. “Britney had really been looking forward to Jamie Lynn coming with Maddie, but definitely did not want Casey there,” a friend tells In Touch.’
    http://www.jamie-spears.com/?p=159

    Fantasy. I scanned that book depending on interest so never read it cover to cover. I don’t remember Lynne saying where Jamie worked?

    I don’t know if you need a license to call yourself a chef, but you do need to pass certain health and safe food preparation regulations. You have to take a test I think and you get a little card, just like you would if working at Burger King. I think.

  446. Amethyst Mine Says:

    If you read this now, given the absence of the children or any pics, you’ll know why I’ve been hammering on about the missing children.

    http://lakamine19812000.wordpress.com/category/britany-spears/

    C’mon Lou. One shred of evidence that Britney was with her kids the other day. Tweeting won’t do.

    B.S. What’s really going on?

    ‘And for ex-husband Kevin Federline, that’s just the problem: According to an insider, Kevin, who has joined Britney on tour so their sons Preston, 3, and Jayden, 2, would never be far from their mom, has had enough of her wild ways.

    “He didn’t sign up to be the babysitter so she could party,” the insider tells OK!. “The idea was to accommodate Britney’s alleged desire to continue seeing the boys on her regular schedule.”’

  447. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Uh, Steel? The Brand? Of course Jamie was cleaned up and offered a job. Maybe he is now returning the favor to Maloof and Rudolph.

    MH, you may be right that Jamie is a pawn but a willing one, no?

    These people helped him, so he thinks. What was the occasion caught on video of Britney giving her dad a kiss? Or was it a hug? From a few years ago.

  448. Amethyst Mine Says:

    You know, I was so distracted by the affair with the dancer, and Britney supposedly being out dancing etc. that I completely missed Kevin taking the kids home.

    Or, oh that’s right. I had a lot on my mind during that time period with little access to a computer.

  449. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Amethyst Mine Says:
    April 9th, 2009 at 3:50 pm

    Uh, Steel? The Brand? Of course Jamie was cleaned up and offered a job. Maybe he is now returning the favor to Maloof and Rudolph.

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    That sounds like a viable explanation to me. Makes sense.

  450. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Amethyst Mine Says:
    April 9th, 2009 at 3:52 pm

    You know, I was so distracted by the affair with the dancer, and Britney supposedly being out dancing etc. that I completely missed Kevin taking the kids home.

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    Well, that would explain why she’s been lashing out a bit during her last two shows.

    I just watched the new videos from Vancouver over at BH. And you know…She’s lucky that the crowd only booed her for that! I saw the lead singer of Collective Soul get pegged off in the head with a full water bottle and have to be carried off stage one time – all because the crowd wanted the band to end their set so The Tragically Hip could go on.

    Canadian crowds are…tough. Especially if you mock them for smoking pot! LOL

  451. Fantasy Says:

    E!Online 4-9-2009

    Spokesman for Orca Bay Sports & Entertainment,
    which owns GM Place, the Vancouver venue where
    the concert was held, said that despite initial
    reports claiming the smoky air was a byproduct
    of toking-up concertgoers, the smoke was
    believed to be from cigarettes, not marijuana.

    (The rep did not comment on why anything was
    being lit up in the first place, given as
    smoking indoors is illegal there.)

    LIARS!!
    I don’t buy that at all.
    That’s just me.

  452. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Heh, I’ve never been to a concert where doobies weren’t being smoked. Except Tina Turner and Neil Diamond…And I went to both of those with my mom! LOL

  453. Fantasy Says:

    Question.
    Did Kevin get paid in full for allowing
    SP & JJ to travel with Britney on her tour
    or is he being paid week-by-week?
    You know just in case something happened
    and the tour had to be cut short.

    Kevin’s got Victoria now.
    And she’s not his first gf since the divorce.
    Why, if at all, is he (maybe) playing hardball
    with the children?

    Britney hadn’t been out partying with a group
    of people in her age group in the longest time.
    Kevin on the other hand literally gets paid to party.
    What’s the big deal?

  454. Amethyst Mine Says:

    What if it was Kevin who was misbehaving or getting into trouble on the road? I mean, he’s not getting sex from Vicky, he has no rap studio to go to, I mean what is it you do on the road when you’re not the one working?

    I don’t think the corset and pussy comment was related, but if the kids had been taken home, Britney would have had every right to be less civil than usual.

    Maybe Britney learned she could get some mileage out of such an aside.

    The other comments seem a little more tailored to Kevin but what do I know? Not nearly as much as I would like.

    Fantasy. I believe the smoke was a trumped up excuse for something else. How would Britney know that workers above were becoming ill? Why did the announcement or explanation take so long?

    Steel. I love Vancouver. I have very happy and interesting memories. The place has texture. It’s fun to hear your side of it. Good lord the audience began to shout “Go Canucks?” How’d they get from Britney to hockey?

  455. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    “Go Canucks?”

    Translation: “Brit, you suck! Give us back our ice rink so we can have a good time.”

    Just a guess.

    …Gawd, at least they weren’t shouting, “Go Leafs!” LOL

  456. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Amethyst Mine Says:
    April 9th, 2009 at 4:28 pm

    I believe the smoke was a trumped up excuse for something else. How would Britney know that workers above were becoming ill? Why did the announcement or explanation take so long?

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    Ama’s explanation about drug testing might make sense. If Brit was already ticked at K-Fed for taking the boys home, maybe she was sending a message to him, such as, “I’m the good parent – I don’t tolerate marijuana smoke.” But saying it in a way that let everyone know who was ultimately in control of the show.

    Just guessin’ again.

  457. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Interesting guess.

    Ah, makes sense Go Canucks especially when combined with some other quotes from last night.

    You’re a w_____. Go home!

    Why are some guys (fans?) so inclined to talk like that.

  458. Amethyst Mine Says:

    ha ha

    ‘Until the agitated crowd settled down, GM Place was filled with piped-in intermission music played at hockey games – which, one concertgoer told PEOPLE, left the fans “really pissed off. The break in the concert ruined it for everyone. The vibe was gone.”‘

    http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20271319,00.html

  459. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Not ha as in laughing at but ha, Go Canucks!

  460. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Also to back up pot use in Vancouver

    ‘After an uncomfortably long wait, an announcement came over the PA that GM Place had become too smoky for Ms. Spears and her dancers to perform. People were reminded that it was a non-smoking venue and that once the air cleared the show would resume.

    This did not bode well as there wasn’t even the requisite quantity of pot whiff in the room you’d get at a Canucks game.’

    The Province

  461. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    I’d forgotten that even her back-up dancers had to undergo drug testing.

    And the fans shouting rude things? Sounds to me like a bunch of boyfriends who were already perturbed that they were being dragged to a Britney Spears concert instead of attending a hockey game.

    I’m LOL’ing at the, “…there wasn’t even the requisite quantity of pot whiff in the room you’d get at a Canucks game.”

    See! This is what it’s like living in Canada!! LOL

  462. Amethyst Mine Says:

    LOL at full article.

    http://www.theprovince.com/entertainment/Britney Spears leaves stage Vancouver show/1479383/story.html

  463. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    LOL at bottom video below the full article!!

  464. small hands Says:

    The connections between the Maloofs, Rudolph, Jamie, and Larry don’t surprise me. I’ve been aware of them for a long while. I also knew about Jamie being a cook/chef for George Maloof’s sister. Also knew about the connection between Larry and Sunset tan, which is one of the many reason I disliked Larry being back as her manager. I don’t trust a lot of people around Britney right now.
    I’m wondering about Britney and her kids too. I also found it weird of Britney saying “rock out with your c*ck out” or something like that. Kevin wore a cap with that saying back in Kentwood after getting married.
    All of you talk a lot in one day. A lot of reading to catch up with.

  465. small hands Says:

    Sorry with the the bad grammar. I’m tired :(

  466. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Brit better stay away from Snoop if she wants to keep passing her tests:

    http://www.tmz.com/2009/04/10/snoop-to-world-watch-me-smoke-my-brains-out/

    (That’s one FUNNY video! Good to see he’s the same person in his own home that he is on stage.)

    Anybody watch the video of Brit performing Radar when she smells the marijuana smoke? She starts giving “timeout” signals very early on in the performance. It got me thinking…This is pretty clear evidence that she’s mentally WELL and that she GETS IT when it comes to being around drugs and the impact that would have on a drug test and on her custody. She appears to GET IT that bad decisions will have bad consequences (which I don’t think she was understanding this time last year). And, it shows she understands how to stop a situation mid-stream that may have a bad impact on her, and how to take control of that situation so that it plays out in her favour (which I also don’t think she understood this time last year).

    Yay Brit!

  467. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Amethyst Mine Says:
    April 9th, 2009 at 3:52 pm

    You know, I was so distracted by the affair with the dancer, and Britney supposedly being out dancing etc. that I completely missed Kevin taking the kids home.

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    If that article was true (key word is “if”), this just goes to show how her “team” and Kevin work together to keep her down.

    Both the appearance at Tribe in Montreal and her “partying” at Lotus in Dallas were work time for Brit. The stop at Tribe only lasted half an hour, and was photographed by professional photogs for use on her Web site. Same goes for Lotus. Brit’s management booked both themselves, then arranged to have photographers there to capture the action.

    If K-Fed got mad that she was “partying” instead of spending time with the boys, he should blame her own management, and/or needs to stop believing the rumours that her own team places into the media.

    Now that I know how her things work, it’s really interesting watching this play out!

  468. MH Says:

    (And we hear from other sources that Brit herself, quite unlike the elder Spears, actually adores and sometimes directly contacts Miller).

    http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/the_awful_truth/b118010_jamie_spears_too_controlling.html

  469. Amethyst Mine Says:

    MH. You beat me to it.

    About Ted:

    http://ianundercover.com/2009/01/14/iuc-chat-tonight-with-world-famous-celeb-gossip-journalist-ted-casablanca-8pm-est/

  470. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Steel. I concur that both Tribe and Lotus were work for Brit not play.

    Meanwhile, I am probably reading into Brit’s (?) Twitter message. If I really read into it I’ll see that her performance and behavior were good enough that now she can see her boys.

    Nah. Could anyone be so cruel as to hold her boys from her so that … why yes, they could.

    Nah. I want to have a good day. I’ll just see what I want to see, that she’s just excited to go back to California for a bit and seeing her children has nothing to do with her performance.

  471. MH Says:

    i gave up on ian and his heshe a while ago…the constant gay outing got boring fast. he seems to have lost his edge, if he ever had one.

  472. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    AM, I thought her Twitter update seemed like odd wording, too. And that was when I saw it earlier today, before you even said anything. Maybe I’ve just got my radar tuned TOO much in to things like that now.

    P.S. I’m laughing at my earlier claim about, “…now that I know how her things work…” LOL

    Sometimes the speed of my fingers and the thoughts in my head don’t exactly jive. :)

  473. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    I’ve never been able to get into Ian. I watched his Chat once or twice, but just couldn’t get into all the Brangelina stuff that he seems to focus on. Or all the Toothy Tile stuff…whatever it is. It’s more my Mom’s style of celebrity gossip…National Enquirer kind of stuff. LOL

  474. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Actually, I understood what you meant. It’s intriguing and creepy to consider how the team uses media, for me anyway.

    As Twain said, amazing.

    MH. I too gave up on Ian but remain slightly intrigued by his sudden silence and lack of publication on his book in which he surely slams Jamie Spears. That’s the way it came out in early publicity anyway.

    Until he steps up, he’s become a strawberry to me.

    ‘Apparently, Jamie ‘n’ Co. say the only way they’ll allow the website to exist is if all posts go through them, first. “If they do that, it’s not my website. It’s just another website they can manage and control,” J.M. rightfully bitched. Well, we’re hearing that Jamie isn’t only micromanaging B’s career, but her love life, too.’

    I wouldn’t put it past Jamie ‘n’ Co. to have bought out or threatened Halperin. His book afterall might have helped Britney ‘n’ Co.

    I am bitter today.

  475. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    I can see them threatening Ian, but not buying out. I can’t see him falling for that.

    As for the way the team uses the media, they’re certainly not the first to do it. Not by a long shot. It’s just interesting to watch it unfold as it happens now.

  476. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Just thinking…

    The new style of paparazzi in LA (up close, in your face, with video) and the rise of blogs has probably changed the face of celebrity P.R. quite a bit, even from five years ago.

    Just think…At the start of Brit’s career, her team sure didn’t have people like Jordan or JFX or X17 bloggers to contend with.

  477. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Steel_Magnolia Says:
    April 10th, 2009 at 2:14 pm


    ……….

    Just think…At the start of Brit’s career, her team sure didn’t have people like Jordan or JFX or X17 bloggers to contend with.

    ————-
    Alrighty then! :)

  478. MH Says:

    reminder…check, check, check your emotions at the door.

    also…

    i think kevin is gonna turn out to be one of the good guys in all this mess, if he hasn’t already. i think even more good will be revealed in time. but most people/fans prob won’t see it that way.

    even though i think the spears like him, i think the camp will cause him trouble down the line.

    i think ag will try hard to get a deal rather than fight to the end.

    i don’t think the cship will end any time soon, as they are planning more shows. as long as the tour is going the cship will stay. jmo

    i visit far fewer sites than i used to. i’m about sick of it all. it’s like being fished in on a crack string…sick of it.

  479. Amethyst Mine Says:

    MH. I wasn’t too serious about being bitter.

  480. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    MH Says:
    April 10th, 2009 at 2:23 pm

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    I agree with…Hmmm…All of it!

    Fished in on a crack string. :)

  481. MH Says:

    am, i wasn’t talking about that…just read through some of the posts and that’s what came to mind.

    nah, she ain’t f’in him.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1J8f2kb9EHk

  482. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Amethyst Mine Says:
    April 10th, 2009 at 2:21 pm

    Alrighty then!

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    I say that in relation to the speed that information now travels, and the ability for bloggers to, e.g. upload videos and Twitter right along with concerts. Everyday folks now have the ability to influence the story – not just journalists and PR people any more.

  483. Amethyst Mine Says:

    I was writing out a few thoughts in an email to…
    ——

    Mr. Ingham has had a number of excuses as to why Ms. Spears either has not come to court or “should not” come to court.

    Ms. Spear’s capacity to hire her own lawyer was assessed more than a year ago at UCLA, by Mr. Ingham. His assessment was that she lacked the capacity to understand the proceedings and to be able to hire her own lawyer. He testified that he met with Ms. Spears at the hospital for 15 minutes.

    If there has been an assessment since last year, no one knows about it as every legal proceeding in the past year to present has sited the judge’s ruling from February 2008.

    On January 29, 2009, John T. Anderson, “sent counsel for Mr. Spears (conservator) an /Ex Parte Petition /authoring Ms. Spears to retain him as an attorney in the conservatorship proceedings and to relieve as counsel Samuel D. Ingham III.” I have a list of other documents Mr. Anderson presented from court documents that include the declaration by Jeffrey Wexler, yet another attorney from the conservatorship side.

    Mr. Wexler testified that he explained to Mr. Anderson “that the Court had found in February 2008 that Ms. Spears lacks capacity to hire counsel.” He also testified that the Court granted /ex parte/ application for protective order against a deposition of Ms. Spears “noticed by plaintiffs in a Florida court.” My understanding is that if Ms. Spears could testify then that might prove capacity? I don’t think Ms. Spears would have had to say too much as the lawsuit is about not paying the plaintiffs “sunset commissions” as agreed to she and her agent discontinued their professional arrangement. Plaintiff’s attorney was willing to allow a psychologist to be available during the deposition.

    Isn’t there an outside agency who could verify that Ms. Spears lacks capacity or doesn’t? Doesn’t she have a right after a year of that 15 minute assessment at the hospital for a second chance at proving capacity through an outside, unbiased party? Would the ACLU have any role?
    —–

    Good golly was it Ingham himself that spurred Britney to drive straight to Adam Streisand’s office? How repulsive was he? What medications if any was she on when she met with him for 15 minutes?

  484. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Some insightful but older news on c-ships in California by a team of investigative reporters.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/la-me-conservators-series,0,7337008.special

  485. Amethyst Mine Says:

    If she lacks capacity to hire an attorney I wonder if she could represent herself. … Attorney or Party without an Attorney, MS doc.

    http://www.courtinfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/search.cgi?q=terminate &spell=1

    I’m sure they’d say she has an attorney but at least the form and the action would be filed in the court documents.

  486. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Better link. Search for “terminate”

    http://www.courtinfo.ca.gov/programs/equalaccess/

  487. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Wouldn’t it be up to her court-appointed psychologist…?? Or no?

  488. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Who would verify whether she lacks capacity or not, I mean.

  489. Amethyst Mine Says:

    She has a court-appointed psychologist?

    Ingham testified that he spent 15 minutes with her and determined she lacked capacity. That’s what the court documents say. It doesn’t say a psychiatric professional determined capacity. Heck the psychiatric people let her out of the hospital.

    It doesn’t make sense to me that an attorney would independently decide capacity but that’s what the court documents say and nothing more that is available to the public that I could find.

    I wonder what a “special notice” is. It’s on page two of the the form under number seven.

    btw, what are Britney’s resources? “Holding the hearing in the absence of the proposed Conservatee is necessary to prevent to her and/or to her resources.” The Court found that the Conservatee was aware of the proceeding and chose not to appear.

    This was from the April 2008 extension of the c-ship.

  490. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Fine print by the server by the way. He served the interested parties in this matter.

  491. Amethyst Mine Says:

    So. It’s been more than a year that Brit has been unable to have her own legal representation based on Ingham’s 15 minutes to a UCLA hospital.

    What was Britney wearing I wonder. A gown? Her clothes? What was her state of mine? How did Sam present himself to her? He’s an old guy. Did he scare her?

    Neither here nor there. I am saying that this 15 minutes is what the legal team has been leaning on to keep Britney in c-ship against her will?

  492. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    That doesn’t make any sense…

    There seems to be a collision of medical and legal worlds going on here.

    I’m in work mode today, so can’t take much of a closer look at this…But…

    There’s got to be a mention somewhere of a doctor being involved…Right??

  493. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    I would think any adult who is under a conservatorship would be under it against their will. JMHO.

  494. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Steel. It’s on page 3. http://www.onpointnews.com/docs/britney4.pdf

    I’m looking for earlier docs.

  495. Fantasy Says:

    Hi guys.
    I’ve been reading about how to do the whole firing
    a court-appointed atty. thing.
    I don’t know if there’s such a great difference
    in how to fire a C-AA in a c-ship as opposed to
    a Criminal Case.

    In a criminal case you just tell the attorney that you no longer want him/her to represent you.
    Your reason can be anything.
    Your old atty. will sign a Substitution of
    Attorney Form and exchange the discovery.
    And then the new atty. will go to work.
    Sounds easy to me.
    Could it be that easy for Britney who’s in
    a conservatorship?

    As for determining her mental capacity a
    psychiatrist would have to do that.
    What would an atty. know about evaluating
    anyone’s mental capacity?
    I still wonder if and when Britney has sessions
    with a psychiatrist.
    It’s not my business, but I still think of that.

  496. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Fantasy Says:
    April 10th, 2009 at 6:19 pm

    I still wonder if and when Britney has sessions
    with a psychiatrist.
    It’s not my business, but I still think of that.

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    I think FTR was very carefully put together. Everything would’ve been included for a reason.

    Remember what she said about this topic in FTR?

    Think about how that may relate to getting out of the C-Ship…

    I tend to think Larry has covered all of his bases with that little piece.

  497. Amapola Says:

    “MH Says:
    April 10th, 2009 at 2:23 pm
    reminder…check, check, check your emotions at the door.
    also…
    i think kevin is gonna turn out to be one of the good guys in all this mess, if he hasn’t already. i think even more good will be revealed in time. but most people/fans prob won’t see it that way.
    even though i think the spears like him, i think the camp will cause him trouble down the line.
    i think ag will try hard to get a deal rather than fight to the end.
    i don’t think the cship will end any time soon, as they are planning more shows. as long as the tour is going the cship will stay. jmo
    i visit far fewer sites than i used to. i’m about sick of it all. it’s like being fished in on a crack string…sick of it.

    Steel_Magnolia Says:
    April 10th, 2009 at 2:44 pm
    MH Says:
    April 10th, 2009 at 2:23 pm
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    I agree with…Hmmm…All of it! ”

    Kevin Federlinw is a HUGE scumbag, but he for sure have two fans on this site…

    Poor kids, such a father.

  498. Amapola Says:

    correction:
    “Amapola Says:
    April 10th, 2009 at 6:47 pm “MH Says:
    April 10th, 2009 at 2:23 pm
    reminder…check, check, check your emotions at the door.
    also…
    i think kevin is gonna turn out to be one of the good guys in all this mess, if he hasn’t already. i think even more good will be revealed in time. but most people/fans prob won’t see it that way.
    even though i think the spears like him, i think the camp will cause him trouble down the line.
    i think ag will try hard to get a deal rather than fight to the end.
    i don’t think the cship will end any time soon, as they are planning more shows. as long as the tour is going the cship will stay. jmo
    i visit far fewer sites than i used to. i’m about sick of it all. it’s like being fished in on a crack string…sick of it.
    Steel_Magnolia Says:
    April 10th, 2009 at 2:44 pm
    MH Says:
    April 10th, 2009 at 2:23 pm
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    I agree with…Hmmm…All of it!
    ….”
    *****************************
    *********************************
    Kevin Federline is a HUGE scumbag, but he for sure have two fans on this site…
    Poor kids, such a father.

  499. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Me too, Steel re FTR.

    Meanwhile, in one of the early documents I looked at today, there were three psychiatrists or psychologists mentioned for the purpose of fees and payment. She had one, they added the others, but…

    Sam Ingham determined her capacity in the 15 minutes as described. Find me something that differs and we can bring mouthwash back. nah.

    Fantasy. Nope, if she lacks capacity how can she fire her court-appointed attorney? Heck. Three men have temporary restraining orders against them for trying, as the c-ship would put it, to derail the c-ship.

    Note the beauty of their language that avoided much mention that Britney got a cell phone so she could get outside help, i.e., terminate Sam Ingham.

    If anyone can find evidence from court that any psychologist came to court and testified as to capacity to understand the proceedings or to hire her own attorney, kudos to you. It would be a relief to think she had fair representation from more than a 15 minute conversation while in a hospital gown.

  500. Amapola Says:

    Everybody is bad in this “history” ..but NO, NOT Kevin Federline and his “wheeler-dealer”…

    The womanizer himself have stalwarts the whole time.

  501. Amethyst Mine Says:

    I got the docs from E! earlier today. Sorry, I’ve lost the link.

    p1 of 1.

    #3. Dr. Marmer is authorized to obtain the assistance of 2 other doctors, and their respective retainers shall be paid. Dr. Judith Armstrong shall be paid her retainer of $4000.00 and the other doctor shall be paid a retainer not to exceed $5000.00

    #4. PVP (Sam Ingham)shall be paid on account, $58,800.00, without prejudice.

    March 6, 2008

  502. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Wait a minute. Mr. $10K/week got $58,800 in a month? But what else could PVP refer to?

  503. Amethyst Mine Says:

    C-ship Feb 1, 2008. March 6, 2008. Was Ingham on the payroll before then by a week? Is “court appointed” misleading? Sure the court appointed him but … oh well, we knew the plan was hatched in advance anyway but if Ingham was involved before Feb. 1?

    sick

  504. Amethyst Mine Says:

    ‘Following his statement, the judge asked Streisand to leave the courtroom. “I think the law should presume she has capacity until proven otherwise,” Streisand told Us. “Britney got in touch with me. I can’t go into specifics.“‘

    http://www.theinsider.com/news/630203_Britney_Spears_Father_s_Control_is_Causing_Her_Even_More_Stress

    I don’t think Streisand meant a 15 minute meeting conducted by Sam Ingham without notice (where did I read that?) to Britney before his arrival.

  505. Queen B Says:

    Somebody asked what “PVP” means. PVP means “probate volunteer panel”. The LA Courts have a panel of probate attorneys. When someone is placed under a conservatorship like Britney, the court will select someone from the panel to initially act as investigator to ascertain whether a conservatorship is actuall needed.
    Here is the time line
    1) Jamie Spears gets a temp. c-ship on Friday that will last until a hearing on Monday.
    2) In between Friday and Monday, the court asks Sam Ingham who is on the probate panel to visit Britney to find out what was going on. Ingham concludes that Britney is totally out of it and in need of c-ship.
    3)Ingham goes to court on Monday and say that Brit lacks capacity to retain counsel based on the visit in the psych ward.
    At the time Jamie got the c-ship he would have had no idea what attorney would be selected from the panel.

  506. MH Says:

    http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/04/lawyer-asking-cross-examine-britney

  507. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Probate volunteer panel…

    Makes sense. I’d also believe she was totally out of it at the time – her 5150 had already been extended to a 14-day hold (or something of the sort, I think).

    We also have a declaration saying the four kinds of meds she was on, and Mr. Lutfi admitting to administering those meds.

    I’ve never taken any of the four of those medications, but I did “overdose” on cough syrup about two weeks ago. It was called hydrocodone. I took it twice within 24-hours instead of once, and couldn’t speak within minutes of taking it the second time. I had almost every common and rare side effect listed on Wiki. Thought I was dying my brain was frizzled so bad. It took 24-hours before I could say a mouthful of words without having an anxiety attack. And I’m still feeling short of breath a bit.

    So yes, I can certainly see how crushed meds could do a number on your brain for a while. They’re pretty powerful.

    (Sorry for the personal story…But that experience was the first time I really got it when it came to understanding what Brit had gone through.)

  508. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Attack of the crazed italics. LOL

  509. Amethyst Mine Says:

    So. Queen B. February 2008 was a long time ago. What since then? Not so sure about your time line and who was involved to “determine need of c-ship.” Jaimie had it planned out in advance. Are you new? According to his wife he had to pray?

    Steel. Sorry about the side effects. Earlier today I was thinking how nice it was in Canada to get some drugs over the counter like Codeine, caffeine and generic Tylenol all in one swallow. Girl’s best friend. Over the counter.

    Did you read anything in some of the docs presented today about psychotropic drugs masking for dementia? You know what dementia is right?

    I want to know, and this is not addressed to you, but where it the follow-up in this c-ship case and Britney’s capacity? Why have subsequent legal proceedings and Brit’s “legal capacity to participate” referred back to February 2008 as the deciding and ultimate factor as to her participation in current proceedings? Johnny Wright v. Britney Spears is an example.

    Not fair.

  510. Amethyst Mine Says:

    oops. OK. You loop out to your italics while I meanwhile sound like an idiot for questioning knowledge of dementia?

    I didn’t mean it that way. It looks stupid in print.

    sorry I vented and was writing stuff, went back to edit and there you have it. A bird not to like. I apologize.

  511. Queen B Says:

    It would be fair to assume that the court has not revisited the issue of whether Britney has the capacity to retain a lawyer after 2/08. I would have to believe that since the court continues to believe that Britney needs a conservator, it probably is not a good idea for her to retain an attorney of her choosing since she cannot be trusted to make the right decison.

    I mean, John Eardley is a horrible attorney. He removed the case to federal court and the federal judge remanded it to state court. He appealed the decision and the appeal was denied. I have no doubt that Brit probably asked for his help which is why he wants her to testify but he cannot help her.
    The only person who can help Brit is Ingham. He is the only person who has the authority to petition to end the conservatorship. He has to do it or the conservatorship will remain indefintely.

  512. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    What the heck…I just typed out a big response and lost it. I guess that’s a sign that I should keep my answers shorter! LOL

  513. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    K, here goes. Doc style.

    It’s cool AM. Get ya.

    Meds = Dementia, psychosis = Brit?

    Side effects went away, but still under C-Ship year later? Or more to story?

    Canada = Meds = Too easy to get = Regular people = Addicts = Theives = Drug companies evil

    Eardley = Fruitloop?

  514. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Queen B Says:
    April 11th, 2009 at 1:09 am

    I mean, John Eardley is a horrible attorney. He removed the case to federal court and the federal judge remanded it to state court. He appealed the decision and the appeal was denied. I have no doubt that Brit probably asked for his help which is why he wants her to testify but he cannot help her.

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    One gets that impression while reading his Feb. 2008 letter. He made Brit a lot of promises that he clearly couldn’t deliver on. I feel it was a huge mistake to involve him in this again – it just made Brit look bad.

    It’s too bad that Mr. Anderson wasn’t approached on his own, without involving Eardley. But what’s done is done.

    I wonder how long it’s been since Brit and her doctors spoke with Ingham?

  515. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Queen B. What if an outside source were to look into it? If professionals in the industry began to ask questions… I don’t know.

    http://www.pfac-pro.org/pages/index.htm

    or

    http://www.guardianship.org/

    I wonder when/if the third tape will come out. I disbelieve that the only one who can help Britney is ultimately Ingham. What power then he.

    It seems crazy also that a conservatee fighting a c-ship has to pay for the conservator’s attorney fees while they meanwhile have no access to their own money. Eardley at least has willingly put his neck. Brit has had few choices in those willing to help her or those she would intentionally put at risk to help her.

    It’s a crazy eight.

  516. Amethyst Mine Says:

    “I get to see my boys!” = I haven’t been able to see my boys.

  517. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Anyone notice a change in Google Alerts of late? In the past week or so they have been “delayed” and the usual media outlets aren’t carrying the latest story. Britney possibly testifying is in a group five hits down.

    Yahoo News is worthless. The top ten hits for “all news” return stories on Britney ’storming’ off the stage in Vancouver and disliking weed.

    US, People, OK! so far haven’t carried the story. I don’t know what their usual turnaround is for gossip stories that break on Fridays.

  518. Fantasy Says:

    Anyone know if it will be Jdg. Bobb
    who’ll decide if Britney can participate
    in what Eardley is trying to do or will
    it be another judge.

    Did it say anywhere when this decision by
    the judge will be made?

  519. Fantasy Says:

    For the sleuths out there
    Just Answer.com could help
    you out if you ever get stumped.
    I haven’t tried it out but
    like I said maybe it will help. :)

  520. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Fantasy, was it you asking for this info?

    LA Superior Court, Co of Los Angeles

    Probate Code 1861

    1861. (a) A petition for the termination of the conservatorship may
    be filed by any of the following:
    (1) The conservator.
    (2) The conservatee.
    (3) The spouse, or domestic partner, or any relative or friend of
    the conservatee or other interested person.
    (b) The petition shall state facts showing that the conservatorship is no longer required.

    1863. (a) The court shall hear and determine the matter according to the law and procedure relating to the trial of civil actions,
    including trial by jury if demanded by the conservatee. The conservator, the conservatee, or the spouse, or domestic partner, or any relative or friend of the conservatee or other interested person may appear and support or oppose the petition.
    (b) If the court determines that the conservatorship is no longer required or that grounds for establishment of a conservatorship of
    the person or estate, or both, no longer exist, the court shall make this finding and shall enter judgment terminating the conservatorship
    accordingly.
    (c) At the hearing, or thereafter on further notice and hearing, the conservator may be discharged and the bond given by the conservator may be exonerated upon the settlement and approval of the conservator’s final account by the court.
    (d) Termination of conservatorship does not preclude a new proceeding for appointment of a conservator on the same or other grounds.

    http://law.justia.com/california/codes/prob/1860-1865.html

  521. Fantasy Says:

    Hi, Amethyst.
    I don’t think that I was looking for that.
    But it’s informative.
    I just try to help out if ever I can.
    I’m not as deeply knowledgeable as most
    people here who’ve been following this saga
    from the start with an investigative mind.
    It’s all very interesting and very complex.

    What Queen B had to say earlier I understand.
    And I agree.
    I normally operate under the mantra of,”There’s a
    way around everything.”
    However, in this case it’s not that way.
    All I can do is just try to be patient and wait
    to see how this all plays out.

    I just keep waiting for the big upset in
    this game.
    If it’s what we all would like for it to be
    then I’d be cool with that.
    If not, there doesn’t seem to be anything
    I can do to change that.
    I’d not like it but over time I’d just
    have to accept it.

  522. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Fantasy. The case number is BP 108870 — that’s the Honorable Reva Goetz’s area. It’s in re the Temporary Conservatorship of the Persona and the Estate of Brinety Jean Spears. But it’s the Hon. Aviva Bobb named in Eardley’s thing.

    Good eye. He was also listed in the TROs. Is Goetz off the case? I find the study of the law to be interesting but tedious. I do what I can to try to understand.

  523. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    http://perezhilton.com/2009-04-11-the-drama-wont-stop

  524. Fantasy Says:

    Let me play What If for a minute.
    What if the judge does approve Eardley’s
    request and Britney does have to testify.
    Could she assert her 5th Amendment privelege?
    Or would she pull a Berk and say, “Umm…
    some parts sound like me but it isn’t.”
    By the way, why wasn’t Berk asked to answer
    with a yes or no?
    Why that lame response?
    It wouldn’t shock me if Britney suddenly
    has a case of amnesia if she’s put on the stand.
    No taking the 5th. No perjury.
    Just can’t remember.

  525. Amethyst Mine Says:

    ok what If.

    Not sure if you (and some lurkers) have been here long enough to recall Johnny Wright v. Britney Spears. In short Johnny was one of Brit’s managers. They called it quits when she got married I think, just like with Larry Rudolph. She was supposed to continue to pay him “sunset” fees or a percentage off for businesses until 2/09 this year or was that last year. Spears or Spears’ cpa/finance people stopped paying 10/07. Wright took her to court.

    Wright’s attorney attempted to depose Spears but guess what cards Jamie Spears played? ex parte protective order. Lack of capacity. Last I heard Wright’s attorney heard he’d have to wait until August 2009. Vhat??? I think I also read that if Britney testified it would indicate capacity.

    oh dear.

    btb, Wright’s attorney offered to allow a psychologist be present etc. in a deposition of Britney. I believe he is quoted in one of the media outlets that he didn’t think he was asking all that much given that Britney was going to tour, seemed to be doing so well, had been to Europe and performed etc.

    Wright himself also came out to OK! magazine giving his two cents on the arrangement with Jamie Spears and management. Dang.

    I won’t be in court but I wonder that Britney suddenly taking up with Chase etc. and having two partying nights (oh how Lou does misconstrue and paint pictures to her suiting and use) while Britney’s dad was away …

    btb, I thought that was interesting and useful information that “any relative or friend of
    the conservatee or other interested person” could file a petition to challenge and perhaps end the c-ship.

    What’s everyone in L.A. so afraid of? There are lawyers who work pro bono to help old people, taken advantage of by the c-ship system in California and in other states…lawyers who believe in what they are doing and in the case.

    Steel. Thx for the link to Perez.

  526. Amethyst Mine Says:

    There is more recent info on Wright v. Spears but this should suffice for now:

    ‘But while this may all be as-expected news for Britney’s camp, it doesn’t bode well for the lawsuit against her filed by former manager Johnny Wright.

    Saying that Spears’ “capacity issue remains open and has not been resolved one way or another,” Goetz ruled earlier today that Wright’s attorneys are not allowed to depose Spears, whom he says owes thousands in unpaid commissions, until the conservatorship ends.

    “We think it’s reasonable,” Wright’s lawyer, Clay Townsend, who had been hoping to have Brit sit for a deposition Nov. 17, tells E! News. “Being on the cover of OK magazine, signing a big contract with AEG to go on a world tour, going on Good Morning America—gosh, it seems fairly reasonable to try to do a deposition in late November. It’s not like she is in the hospital and we are dying to go down and take her deposition.”

    Instead, they will have to speak with ruler-of-the-roost Jamie Spears next month.

    “She seemed to be doing so well, that we thought it was not unreasonable,” Townsend added. “My client Johnny Wright still has great affection for Britney. He worked with Britney for a long time in the early days. So that last thing that we would want to do was to harass her.”

    Goetz said that she will revisit the deposition issue Feb. 2.’

    Queen B. You think that that capacity issue remaining open etc. means it hasn’t been reassessed?

    http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b66023_britney_agrees_permanent.html

  527. Amethyst Mine Says:

    One wonders why the Wright case was brought up in the case of John Anderson representing Britney Spears to terminate Sam Ingham.

    A source in Florida could not make sense of it. Initially.

    It wouldn’t surprise me to see the case raised again in Eardley v. Papa Spears re the TRO that would damage Eardley’s reputation and livelihood.

    This is two possibly three attorneys now who believe Britney has capacity.

    If Jamie Spears, the Maloofs, etc. could have discredited Townsend (for Johnny Wright) or Anderson (for Britney Spears, albeit that “pleadings style” was a stab at his professional — he was legally required to let them know about the petition before he filed it I believe) they would have done it by now.

    Evelyn Larrubia, where are you and your team of investigative journalists?

  528. Amethyst Mine Says:

    ah dear for a few typos

  529. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Fantasy. As for the 5th amendment, Britney’s case as a witness has nothing to do with being a criminal.

    from Wiki

    ‘No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.’

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

  530. Amethyst Mine Says:

    I’m out for the night I think.

    Was it four attorneys who thought she had capacity?

    Adam Streisand
    Jon Eardley
    John Anderson
    Clay Townsend

    Adding up.

  531. Amethyst Mine Says:

    http://www.calbar.ca.gov/state/calbar/calbar_cbj.jsp?sCategoryPath=/Home/Attorney Resources/California Bar Journal/November2005&sCatHtmlPath=cbj/2005-11_TH_02_Judge-Bobb.html&sCatHtmlTitle=Top Headlines

    About Bobb.

  532. Queen B Says:

    I think the issue of capacity remains an open question but the odds are small that Eardley will be successful in getting Brit on the witness stand especially since in all likelihood Brit does not want to testify anyway. All of the attorneys who believe Brit has capacity with the exception of Adam Streisand have never met Brit. Eardley and Townsend assume Brit has capacity because she can sing and dance and I do not think that is the standard the court will use.

    There is no guarantee that Brit’s testimony will help Eardley anyway. If she says she’s scared of Eardley and does not want his help, the TRO will probably be granted.
    Lastly, I get the feeling that Brit says one thing to her dad, Blair Berk and her court appointed attorney and something else to Lutfi and Eardley. She tells Berk she is afraid of Sam and does not want Eardley to represent her but she calls Sam on the cell phone asking help to get another attorney to eliminate the conservatorship. If Brit wants out, she needs to tell the people who can actually help her like Ingham, Berk and the judge.

  533. small hands Says:

    I was reading about Brit’s concert incident in Canada and in the article they mentioned the name of Britney’s publicist. Her name is Holly Shakoor. I didn’t have a name before and wanted to share. Okay that is it. Have a nice Easter everyone :)

  534. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Queen B. I’ll be honest. I care more about what Britney has to say, or that she is allowed to speak at all, than how it may effect Eardley. I have nothing against him.

    But testifying could also open a few more doors for Britney if not simply to establish competence. It would presumably save her money in ongoing legal fees down in Florida. There are things pertaining to the case that only Britney would know or be able to say.

    I hope Judge Bobb deems Britney competent to testify. Aren’t you a little fascinated by what excuse Camp Spears will come up with this time?
    I’d have to look back but I think Camp Spears also cried that Florida was trying to upset L.A. jurisdiction by wanting to depose Britney.

  535. Amethyst Mine Says:

    “interfere”with L.A. jurisdiction that is. Don’t quote me. I am still trying to figure out the muddle of news as it was reported April 1st.

  536. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Fantasy. You question re Blair and lack of yes or no question to the audio tape got me thinking.

    Who introduced the tape? How was it introduced? Here is E!’s coverage:

    ‘As for those leaked voicemails in which Spears supposedly is heard trolling for new legal representation, Berk said she did not believe the voice was actually that of the Circus singer, as “the words, terms, phrases were not ones she had ever used before.”‘

    No one mentioned the source of the tapes. How might things have been judged different if the credibility was established say, by establishing that the tapes came from JFXOnline and their association with Adnan Ghalib? Or that they first surfaced on JFX?

    Maybe Mr. Diamond will take care of it in his defense of Eardley.

    Ok, meanwhile, I made a strong assertion that the LA Times and the AP included the tape in their media coverage. Can someone please prove me wrong?

  537. Amethyst Mine Says:

    July 30, 2008. Britney’s effect on the paparazzi and the economy.

    http://articles.latimes.com/2008/jul/30/local/me-paparazzi30

    Steel. Are you keeping a 2008 timeline? Wasn’t this about the time the temp c-ship was extended again?

    Lots of embedded ads in the article. Sorry.

  538. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Queen B. Are you sure Eardley never met Britney? I think the letter Blair Berk claims she found in the car Britney rented for Sam dates back to before the c-ship.

  539. Amethyst Mine Says:

    p.s. and then I am back to my Easter (happy Easter, Biggie Small), I don’t know if Townsend ever met Spears, but Johnny Wright his client, knows her very well.

    Also, it is rationale to expect someone to be competent given all that Britney Spears has asked to be doing.

    I for one can’t discount FTR and everything Britney has accomplished this year. I hope Judge Bobb insists Britney come to court in one way or another.

  540. Queen B Says:

    Here is what I think is going to happen, Jamie along with Sam Ingham will file a motion opposing Eardley’s request to have Brit testify because it will cause her emotional distress; severe anxiety etc. I’m pretty sure that they’ll get some psychiatrist to back them up. Remember the custody case, Brit did everything in her power to avoid going to court and having to take a deposition.

    I do not think that Eardley has ever physically met Brit. Remember when she got out of psych ward, she and Adnan met with Adam Streisdand. Streisand could not help because the court stated that he lacked capacity to retain an attorney. After Streisand was out, then Eardley via Lutfi entered the picture. There is no way Eardley could have met Brit because Jamie restricts her visitors. Lutfi also got Anderson on the case by forging Brit’s signature on some documents.

    Lutfi will do whatever it takes to control Brit again and she is not smart enough to see it.

    I agree it would be interesting to hear what Brit has to say but I really hope the TRO is granted because Eardley and Sam Lutfi do not have her best interests at heart.

  541. MH Says:

    >>>Lutfi also got Anderson on the case by forging Brit’s signature on some documents.

    and you know this how?

  542. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Just jumping in at the end after a quick skim…

    Queen B Says:
    April 12th, 2009 at 9:00 pm

    There is no way Eardley could have met Brit because Jamie restricts her visitors. Lutfi also got Anderson on the case by forging Brit’s signature on some documents.

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    Gee, Queen B, you sound awfully familiar.

    At any rate, I agree that Eardley has probably never met Brit, and does not appear to have her best interests at heart.

    However…

    I also agree with Berk when she says that the line Brit used in Tape #1 sounded like odd phrasing. It sounds to me like Brit read from a script that she was provided with. I’m guessing this script was provided by Lutfi/Eardley. And that if they were able to get her to do this, they may very well have gotten her to actually sign the documents as well. I’m not willing to agree at this point that Brit’s signature has been forged.

    Perhaps Radar should have asked Christina Lutfi if she had met with Britney on any further occasions other than the cell phone exchange in the sauna.

  543. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Great minds think alike. LOL

  544. Fantasy Says:

    Morning everyone.
    Can someone please help me understand why with
    all of the evidence that the Spears’ claimed they
    had,Lynne especially, why didn’t they/haven’t they
    done anything to have Sam Lutfi prosecuted for
    doing what he did to Britney?

    If it was really Sam who forged Britney’s name on
    the legal doc why didn’t Jamie do anything about
    it last year?
    Any other time he acts as if he’s Britney and files lawsuits on her behalf.
    Why have the Spears’ been so slow to move when it
    comes to Sam Lutfi?

    Are Sam’s Spears family secrets that salacious,
    scandalous, and incriminating?
    What is it that Sam may know that hasn’t already
    been touched on in the tabloids?

  545. Fantasy Says:

    And another thing.
    Why have we/some stopped addressing the
    Adnan Ghalib story?
    Not any questions have been brought up lately
    about him.
    Like, why is he the one taking all the heat?
    Who is it that’s out to get him?
    Or who are they? I mean really.
    What is it about him that gets under
    people’s skin? Why him?
    I understand his silence throughout most of this.
    But really. How/why has he (seemingly) been
    closed mouthed for so long?

    What does he know?
    And why doesn’t/isn’t he doing anything
    (seemingly) about it.

    I don’t mean to annoy so early in the day.
    If I have, well, sorry.
    I’ve just had a lot floating around in
    this mind of mine.
    Yep. Mmm. Hmm?!

  546. Fantasy Says:

    Thinking.
    Was there anything to the kids being back
    in L.A. so soon?
    I’m starting to think no.
    Britney’s last show on the East side was on
    3/27 in PA.
    I assume that the kids left around that time.
    Britney was only renting temporarily a home there.
    Maybe it wasn’t related to her partying.
    Could’ve been the plan all along.

  547. Queen B Says:

    In terms of why Sam was not prosecuted, I think it is because the police do not have enough evidence against him. Essentially, it is Lynne’s word against Sam because Brit was probably too out of it too realize what was going on. Lynne claimed that Sam drugged Brit. Assuming the drugs were in Brit’s system, Sam could argue that he did nothing more that administer some medication that had been prescribed to Brit because she asked him to.

    I assume that the documents Sam gave to Anderson were forged because it would be a lot easier for Sam to forge her signature than for his sister to set up some secret rendevous at the sauna again. Since the document most likely was not notarized, anyone could have signed that piece of paper. Remember, Lutfi is despearate to regain control over Brit and I don’t believe he is above breaking the law.

    In regards to Adnan, I feel kind of sorry for him because the Spears family most likely would not have gone after him if it was not for Lutfi. It appeared that Adnan and Lutfi created some kind of alliance and that is what the Spears were reacting to.

  548. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Queen B Says:
    April 13th, 2009 at 10:53 am

    I assume that the documents Sam gave to Anderson were forged because it would be a lot easier for Sam to forge her signature than for his sister to set up some secret rendevous at the sauna again.

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    For all we know, Christina could’ve left the unsigned documents in a locker, along with a pen, and texted Brit with the combination.

  549. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Queen B Says:
    April 13th, 2009 at 10:53 am

    Lynne claimed that Sam drugged Brit. Assuming the drugs were in Brit’s system, Sam could argue that he did nothing more that administer some medication that had been prescribed to Brit because she asked him to.

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    I’ve always suspected this is exactly what happened anyways. I figured that Lutfi told Lynne he had been doing this, and that she then twisted his words and included it in her declaration for her own purposes.

  550. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Fantasy Says:
    April 13th, 2009 at 8:46 am

    I understand his silence throughout most of this.
    But really. How/why has he (seemingly) been
    closed mouthed for so long?
    What does he know?
    And why doesn’t/isn’t he doing anything
    (seemingly) about it.

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    I was under the impression he has signed a NDA (Non Disclosure Agreement) or a Confidentiality Agreement at some point (I’m guessing some time between January 2008 and March 2008).

    If this is the case, it’s not that he doesn’t WANT to talk about it. It’s that he CAN’T.

  551. Fantasy Says:

    Thank you for your responses Queen B and St.Mag.
    :)

  552. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Fantasy Says:
    April 13th, 2009 at 8:33 am

    If it was really Sam who forged Britney’s name on
    the legal doc why didn’t Jamie do anything about
    it last year?

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    The documents would likely have been signed some time between January 16, 2009 (when Christina supplied the phone) and January 21, 2009 (after which the phone was found and confiscated from Brit).

    I’m going by memory on those dates, so they may not be accurate.

  553. Fantasy Says:

    I thought it was from last year.
    I based that on what Amethyst said the other day.
    See post from Amethyst 4-12-2009 @6:54pm

  554. Fantasy Says:

    Okay. I’m a little confused.
    Was Anderson kinda supposed to be on the case
    this year or last year?
    Or is it docs to hire Eardley that Berk saw in
    the car?

  555. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Fantasy Says:
    April 13th, 2009 at 11:59 am

    Okay. I’m a little confused.
    Was Anderson kinda supposed to be on the case
    this year or last year?
    Or is it docs to hire Eardley that Berk saw in
    the car?

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    Just from my own understanding…

    - Doc in the rented car was possibly the letter from Eardly to Brit, dating to Feb. 08. This was the “blatant solicitation” that Berk was likely referring to.
    - New docs prepared by Anderson were from Jan. ‘09. These are the ones Brit may have signed. They were created after Eardley asked Anderson to prepare them. Brit then (either before, or more likely after signing them) left a phone message (on Lutfi’s machine?) specifying that during the process of eliminating the C-Ship, she wanted to make sure that her custody agreement with Kevin remained in place.
    - So, from what I understand, January ‘09 was the SECOND time that Eardley has been involved, and the FIRST time that Anderson was involved.

  556. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Why seal forged documents? They were potentially embarrassing to the Spears family? That’s what they said in court.

    As to Adnan, I don’t understand his lack of defense in court on the TROs. He must have a reason.

    Queen B. Eardley made it so Britney doesn’t have to come to court if she doesn’t want to or her team advises against it. He wants two questions answered. He made a number of provisions for how her testimony could be done outside of the L.A. court house.

    Team Spears would be silly to cry emotional distress again at this point. What witness doesn’t stress? Is Britney above the law?

    The truth shall set her free. It can’t be healthy holding everything in. It isn’t cheap to conceal information. Holding her back from being a witness is an unnecessary drain on her estate. Enter Andrew Wallet whose job it is to conserve her estate. But Wallet and Camp Spears have been litigious.

  557. Fantasy Says:

    Thanks St.Mag. I understand now.
    While I was gone I searched for the info online.
    I read that Anderson learned that TRO’s were
    gonna be filed on 1/28/2009.
    Wonder who told him that.
    It was public a couple days later. Right?
    I wonder if the 3 men who had TRO’s knew about it
    at the time Anderson did.

  558. Fantasy Says:

    Amethyst, I clicked on the link about Bobb but
    it didn’t work right for me.
    Can you re-post that later?

  559. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Fantasy. Sorry the link didn’t work. Try googling her along with LA Superior Court?

  560. Fantasy Says:

    Hmm. Wonder who’ll take the case when she’s gone.

  561. Fantasy Says:

    Here is an excerpt of a report I found from 2006.

    Corruption In The Los Angeles Probate Courts
    Los Angeles Probate Court “Racket”

    A special investigative report from the Justice Channel about how the lives and estates of many families have been wasted by the criminal conduct of judges and lawyers in the Los Angeles Probate system. This series will expose the crimes of one judge in particular, Judge Aviva K. Bobb, who is a supervising probate court judge in the Los Angeles Municipal Court system Department 11.

    Judge Bobb has a long history of corruption in the Los Angeles judicial system and has done a lot of damage to many Black American families in the Leimert Park area. Judge Bobb runs her court like a private criminal enterprise. She operates with a network of lawyers,PVP court appointed attorneys, and conservators that conspire with her to steal the estates of American citizens that fall into the Los Angeles Superior Court Probate system.

  562. Fantasy Says:

    There’s more than that that I found.
    For now that’s all I’ll post.
    Remember, this is from 2006.
    Jdg. Bobb is to retire this spring/summer.

    In order to avoid any kind of s**t from anyone
    who may read this let me say that I’m not accusing
    Judge Aviva K. Bobb of any wrong doing.
    Nor do I support or encourage anyone to believe what is in the report from which I posted.

    Okay, now that I’ve covered my ass a bit I will
    now return to sitting on it.
    I’m serious.

  563. Fantasy Says:

    If anyone is interested in reading the rest of
    what is posted all ya gotta do is Google her
    first and last name.

  564. Fantasy Says:

    I heart Google.
    Do you think I’ll get in “trouble” for this?
    Hope not. idk :)

  565. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Gosh Fantasy. I can’t spend alot of time on it today but couldn’t resist trying to verify the story through a recognized news source.

    Instead I found Bobb back on the Peter Falk case. http://www.salon.com/wires/ap/entertainment/2009/03/23/D973TNUO2_people_peter_falk/

  566. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Getting somewhere. This link points back to links I posted the other day re the LA Times investigative reporting on corruption and abuse of conservatorships in the state of California. Therrrreee’s Bobb.

    http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/local/la-me-conserve15nov15,0,4010448.story?page=6

    Still inconclusive however. I am not challenging what you dug up, Fantasy, but the first site that popped up on corruption and Bobb was one I believe passed out an urban legend recently involving Black veterans.

    Please, Evelyn Larrubia. The justice department needs you again.

  567. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Evelyn is no longer with the LA Times. Neither is the editor who worked on the c-ship investigative team.

    simple fyi nothing more

  568. Fantasy Says:

    In the Chavis-Cameron-Williams case, Jdg. Bobb appointed attorney Scott Gordon to investigate
    whether there was inappropriate behavior on the
    part of Cameron.
    I don’t know the final ruling.

    I just find it to be interesting that Bobb appointed Wallet.
    Do they know each other out of the courtroom?
    Friends maybe? Mutual friends? idk
    There would nothing wrong with them being
    friends at all.
    Atty. knows others attys.
    Dr. know another Dr.
    Just looking for a connection amongst the Jdgs.
    and attys. who are attached to the case.
    Present and past.

  569. Fantasy Says:

    Sorry. Correction to the first sentence.
    Jdg. Bobb appointed Andrew Wallet to do the
    investigation. No,not S.Gordon.
    Sorry guys.
    Attorney-Wallet. Gordon isn’t the name I
    meant to write.

  570. Amethyst Mine Says:

    I must be falling behind. Jdg. Bobb appointed Andrew Wallet to investigate?

    Thanks for the heads up on her retirement. I don’t recognize this news source but here’s a link for anyone.

    http://www.metnews.com/articles/2009/bobb020509.htm

  571. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Does Britney have a court appointed investigator in Los Angeles County? Someone who drops by, sees how she is doing? Who is it?

    The court system has the ultimate responsibility in determining these matters?

    Are these reports true re Bobb?

    http://avivakbobb.com/index.html

  572. Amethyst Mine Says:

    ‘Superior Court Judge Aviva Bobb, who supervises Los Angeles County’s probate courts, complained that judges have neither the time nor the resources to adequately scrutinize the conservators they appoint.’

    http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-conservator13dec13,0,7957616.story

  573. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Fantasy. Wallet wasn’t assigned to investigate but he came from that background, huh?

    Judge Bobb appointed him to investigate years ago but now Wallet IS a co-conservator and over none other than Britney Spears?

    Lucrative sweet business, huh.

  574. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Fantasy. Sorry if I didn’t come up with more today on some interesting relationships you discovered.

    I have a deadline tomorrow on an unrelated project that somehow became interesting with so far three out of four sources wanting to remain anonymous.

    I should have gone for the easy A but that’s not me.

    Anyway, to the supersleuths, it might be interesting to track Wallet as a court appointed investigator on a case (a will I think is what he looked into in the Larrubia series, for Bobb)to becoming the most visible conservator perhaps in history. Frances Farmer’s mom has nothing on these folks.

    Vanity. It’s my favorite sin. Al Pacino, The Devil’s Advocate. 4:18 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVHdPAXR9m8&feature=related

  575. Fantasy Says:

    A Not So Quick Recap Of A Times Article
    Anne Chavis is a nurse and was a conservator to dozens of people. One of Anne’s patient’s was an 80 year old man named Louis Williams. Williams had kidney disease, dementia, and a slew of other ailments. Anne placed some of her clients with a woman named Verlene Cameron, who ran a boarding home.

    Verlene and Mr. Williams got along really well.
    In 2000 she wrote a one-paragraph will and had Mr. Williams sign it. The will was notarized by Anne Chavis’s bookkeeper. Mr. Williams died in 2002.

    Judge Bobb dismissed the complaints of Williams’s cousin who said the will appeared improper. Verlene collected over $60,000.
    It wasn’t until a Times reporter submitted questions about the case to Jdg. Bobb that she decided to stay her ruling and call a hearing.

    In court Jdg. Bobb said she was appointing a lawyer to investigate if there was wrong doing on the part of Verlene Cameron.
    The attorney Jdg. Bobb appointed was Andrew Wallet. Wallet said that he’d demand that Verlene return Mr. Williams’s inheritance.
    If the will were to be thrown out, Williams inheritance would be divided among his surviving relatives.

  576. Fantasy Says:

    I can’t say if Jdg. Bobb and Wallet had a history
    of some kind before the Cameron-Williams case.
    Clearly they were well acquainted with one another
    by the time of Britney’s breakdown and the c-ship
    that followed.

    I don’t know when and how Jamie met Andrew Wallet.
    I would like to know how Ingham became Britney’s
    co-appointed atty. I’d like to know how the selection process for that works.

    Like I said, I think it’s interesting.

    If what’s out there about her (or other judges)
    working with attorneys and conservators and PVP attys. is true (I’m staying fair for now) and these things are happening in the case of Britney,
    then I feel for Britney’s two boys.
    They have only one working parent who’s making millions of dollars partially for their future.
    It would really suck if the c-ship ends someday
    and Britney and the boys aren’t as financially
    secure as they think.

    I’m gonna go now.
    Goodnight.

  577. MARK TWAIN Says:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Qn3tel9FWU

  578. Fantasy Says:

    I watched the you tube vide about 3 or 4 times.
    I’ll keep watching it until I can make sense of
    it and what exactly it is Mark is saying.
    I really wish he’d say what he means instead of
    posting a video, but maybe he’d say too much.

    I’m trying to catch up on everything.
    I took Amethyst’s advice and did what she suggested.
    There’s a lot that I’ve missed.
    Trying to understand it all.
    I’m rambling again.
    I’ll watch it some more.

  579. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Kinda feels like we’re all the people sitting on the bus, downtrodden with long faces…

    …doesn’t it?

  580. Amethyst Mine Says:

    It’s symbolic. A possible harbinger as things develop this week, or don’t. Hopeful?

    On the other hand,…

    —-

    Steel. I don’t have a long face. I am working on a project due today. I even got to call a Special Agent at the DEA. She didn’t sound a bit like Scully.

    —-

    Thanks, Mark Twain

  581. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Steel. That should have read I don’t have a long face.

  582. MH Says:

    So, is it AU or bust?

  583. MH Says:

    http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/04/britney-conservators-allowed-explore-expanding-tour

  584. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Thanks for the link MH. I am glad the judge didn’t make a definitive answer but gave permission to the parties to look into it. I wonder what the parties talked about for two hours and who those parties were.

    Fantasy, without MT’s encryption no way would I have come here as often as I have. I love his writing, depth, humor and clues.

    Thanks for the heads up, MT. I took it in a slightly different way earlier today.

  585. Amethyst Mine Says:

    And I might even look at it differently tonight.

    That’s MT. A puzzle.

  586. MH Says:

    http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20272563,00.html

  587. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Good job, Goetz. You’re not the conservator so if you thought of analyzing return on investment before you said yes, then good.

    Let’s not deplete the conservatee’s estate. And yes, let’s find out how much K-Fed/Kaplan want before saying yes.

    On the other hand, how much is this analysis going to cost Britney? Perhaps better that you had asked that Goetz and simply said no for now.

    Thanks, MH.

  588. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Shouldn’t Andrew Wallet be doing that? Conserving the estate? How is he doing so far?

  589. Queen B Says:

    Much was made about the fact that the legal fees incurred during the conservatorship was 2.7 million but it is important to remember that probably 40-50% of those fees had nothing to do directly with the conservatorship. For example, the custody battle with Kevin, Wright lawsuit and criminal trial legal fees were all included in the 2.7. To put in perspective, Brit paid the firm Trope/Trop atleast $700,000 and they were only on the case for 4 months.

    We have to keep mind that it is very expensive to be Britney. She lives in 8-9 million dollar house. She travels on private jets and stays at the best hotels. The woman is a multi-millionaire and managing an estate of her size takes more time and money than someone who has very little. Since Sam Lutif has to decided to sue Brit, that is simply one more thing she has to pay for.

    I’m really surprised that the conservators did have a financial analysis at hand to show the judge but in any event I think Goetz will approve an extension of the tour if Brit wants to do it. The next issue is if Kevin is going to give his consent to the kids out of the country and how much his consent will cost- $5000 a week possibly more.

  590. Cloud Says:

    “D’yeh evahhh git, d’yeh evahhh git, d’ye evahh git one o’ them days..” Clear the rhetoric baby-cakes all. Britney Spears is the money machine. What she thinks of herself, that’s the way she is to everyone (and their dogs) who slop around her. Like feces stick to a blanket. No matter what, the scumsuckers hang ten, all twenty too for a slice of the pie. Southern pie, pecan pie, apple pie. She’s what you want to see. Reality is what it is for this season. When the daily grind of all and sundry is, where sundry suffers, sighs is coated with layers of fear for what tomorrow will lay down, strike down, fly down, grind down. Hey, hey, make terrorists and a war on another diversion and you don’t look too deep at what the man in the suit steals from your life. Check that out. Crunch the numbers. Fewer killed and maimed by terrorism nowadays than even in the 1970’s. Hey, hey, you got your job security, whether you can pay for utilities, your mortgage or survive until next week, until payday. What you need, yourpersonages, even if it’s not what you think you need, is diversion. Britney Spears-the-machine will divert you. “Ah am news everbuddy. No publicity is bad publicity!” Poor Adnan, a bit-player in the machine. He had his uses, when he was useful. Discarded like a candy wrapper. Screwed up, chewed up, tangled in the Britney machine. Useful when his brand of oil was on the shelves. It got those mechanics of money making back in the driver’s seat. Reality in internmentertainment. Britney loved him, may to the bee still loves but you got to fight your way past the machine. The machine wants what you can do to make it work faster, smoother and speedier. It swallows these extraordinary talents up in great gulps. Spits them out when their usefulness is over. It uses everything it can to make sure their usefulness is exploitable for as long as they can play the ringading. If it can’t be bought, blackmail works. Don’t kid yourselves daydreamers, that’s the way it is down there in music fills the gas tank. Some get out but you is screwed, unglued and bedewed if you got those two many little hostages to fortune. Francis Farmer. Remember the name. She wasn’t the first, not the last. The litter lays there for anyone to scrabble in. The dollar god with the glitter flips on the gathering until you take a look behind the circus ring. It’s all sweat and blood and more tears than you can nightmare an eye to bleed. The walls scream with it and you are silent because you know you really have no friends and no one to trust. You are the fool on the hill. A clown who plays with your voice until they think you are too crazy to write green on their backs. There are only those hostages to fortune. The man in the white tie knows the lie. She’s wafting down that river of one. Covered in flowers and drowning. One for you Mark Twain.

  591. MH Says:

    LOL
    http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2009/04/15/2009-04-15_britney_spears_circus_tour_gets_another_ring.html

  592. Cloud Says:

    And if you even think, for one minute, Jamie Spears aint being screwed, unglued and bedewed, you aint walking behind the line.

  593. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Queen B.

    Since the real Queen B. flew Delta Airlines, I’ve come to believe her private jet is on loan and belongs to Maloof.

    I doubt she owns a jet.

  594. Amethyst Mine Says:

    I match your ten and raise you twenty, MH. ;)

    http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b118759_rise_shine_another_bogus_britney_spears.html?utm_source=eonline&utm_medium=rssfeeds&utm_campaign=rss_topstories

  595. Amethyst Mine Says:

    ‘”Everytime.” During that song, in which she was perched on the crook handle of a giant umbrella suspended from the rafters, she illustrated her thin, breathy voice — and it was the best musical moment of the night, because for one small moment, she resembled a human being with human emotions, as opposed to a robot going through the exhausting paces.

    http://www.sltrib.com/ci_12144806

  596. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Queen B Says:
    April 15th, 2009 at 1:13 am

    I’m really surprised that the conservators did have a financial analysis at hand to show the judge but in any event I think Goetz will approve an extension of the tour if Brit wants to do it.

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    I’ve been busy and have been losing track of the story a bit (so do excuse me if I get this wrong)…

    But did you mean that, “I’m really surprised that the conservators didn’t have a financial analysis at hand…”?

    I was pleasantly surprised to see Goetz partially put the breaks on the request to extend the tour. I imagine the plans will eventually be approved, but it must have been a bit of shocker to the Conservators to be held back for once.

  597. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    MH Says:
    April 15th, 2009 at 10:54 am

    LOL

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    Didn’t Mr. Sundahl’s name get used around this time of year in 2007, just as Brit was being released from rehab and was hooking up with Lutfi?

    They must be really scraping the bottom of the barrel for romantic gossip these days. Geez.

  598. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Brilliant, Steel. Is this the same guy?

    http://www.theinsider.com/news/265600_Britney_Spears_Boyfriend_John_Sundahl_says_Britney_s_An_Alcoholic

    2007 — but wait. Is he a millionaire real estate developer or an alcohol counselor?

    And yep, gotta love the c-ship feeling the brakes for once.

  599. Amethyst Mine Says:

    http://crabbieshollywood.blogspot.com/2007/06/britney-dating-her-drug-counselor.html

  600. Amethyst Mine Says:

    and last

    http://www.babble.com/CS/blogs/famecrawler/archive/tags/John Sundahl/default.aspx

    (3 blogs)

  601. Amethyst Mine Says:

    ew. http://www.whosdatedwho.com/celebrity/photos/john-sundahl.htm

  602. Amapola Says:

    Well, its for sure not Britney who have written the rubrics..The sad thing is that people STILL dont get it, they read what ever they are given as is was “the truth, and nothing but the truth”

    So much s**t in those “newspapers”..

  603. Amethyst Mine Says:

    What people Ama?

    Not us. Not you. Not us.

  604. Fantasy Says:

    The man in that photo wearing the blue t-shirt
    with curly hair is not John Sundahl.
    That’s Daimon Shippen.
    He worked for Britney during her separation and
    divorce from K-Fed in 2007.
    He was known as her bodyguard/manny.
    He was subpoenaed by Kaplan to spill dirt on Britney.
    There were dating rumors about them too.
    I think he’s better known as the man who “caught”
    baby Sean Preston when Britney tripped.

  605. Fantasy Says:

    John Sundahl is a little older.
    I saw his picture in a magazine a while back.

  606. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Fantasy. Did you see the picture with an older gentleman in the front and the younger one toward the back? The ewww guy matches the younger guy.

    Here’s the link again so you don’t have to page back:

    http://www.babble.com/CS/blogs/famecrawler/archive/tags/John Sundahl/default.aspx

    It’s the second story posted and is re Britney going to church. aw, can you confirm it is the same John Sundahl being yapped about as in 2007?

  607. Amethyst Mine Says:

    p.s. Does Jamie really get $18,000/week when Britney is touring?

  608. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Don’t drink and drive?

    http://www.breatheheavy.com/exhale/viewthread.php?tid=143697&page=11

  609. Fantasy Says:

    I can’t access that link, Amethyst.
    Are there more photos of John?
    Yeah, Britney said, “Don’t drink and drive.”
    She’s really gotten into the cop role.
    I guess.
    I heard a British accent too. Did you?

  610. Fantasy Says:

    I saw stories about John and Britney.
    In one story he denied dating her.
    There’s a newer one from May 2008 about his
    wedding to a former Victoria’s Secret model.
    There aren’t many photos of him that I could find.
    But I did see one of a 40 something man w/ short blondeish hair and sunglasses.
    That photo is below the one of his wife.

  611. Amethyst Mine Says:

    I did hear accents. Actually a variety of them but you know she talented at that, has fun with it.

    Mother-f’ers sounded like the crazee chica in Pulp Fiction. I thought it was really good.

    Fantasy. Google “britney spears” “John Sundahl” -2009. It should pop up for you. If necessary -2008

    Or, highlight the full link I posted, right click, copy, past in your browser. If should work.

    If it’s the same John, he was used in 2007 to damage Britney’s reputation. Bottom line is I don’t believe in their relationship but it’s a nice distraction from… oh yeh, doesn’t Sam go back to court tomorrow?

    Does anyone seriously think that $$-eyed Jamie would let Britney marry? Heavens, the challenge to the c-ship, the lack of control over the person known as Britney Jean Spears.

  612. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Why do I see my errors post-posting? alas

  613. Amethyst Mine Says:

    I don’t believe in the cop role btw. I wonder that that “image” will help her image though.

  614. Amethyst Mine Says:

    idk.

    Sometimes maybe I read into things, am too hopeful.

    The shout-outs are interesting. Don’t drink and drive is funny. not. See what I mean?

  615. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Fantasy. I don’t think that was a British accent. It was a classic theatrical one?

  616. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Where is Doc to call me out on short quick posts?

    Such a drag.

    Anyway, what is with the pull up pants and the recent addition of pull up fishnets or tummy concealers?

    Her little trip on the umbrella is one that near anyone would need one for, and they haven’t covered up that so far… I’ll be a tabloid beezy for a sec.

    Is Britney pregnant? lol. Yes, Ama, we believe anything we read.

  617. Queen B Says:

    I doubt if Brit is pregnant given that Jamie keeps Brit on a really short leash. However, I think the engagement rumor is pretty interesting. I read on X-17 one day that I conservatee does have the right to get married but on the other hand, the conservator can restrict the conservatee’s visitors movements and visitors.

    How do you go about dating someone who is under conservatorship. I mean, I guess it would be kind of like dating an adult dating a child. It would probably be something like this
    Guy: “Hello Britney, can we go out on Friday?”
    Brit: “Yeah, sure, I just have to ask my dad if
    it is okay”
    Guy: ” I thought you were 27 years old” .
    Brit: “I know, but I am under a conservatorship,
    so I can’t do anything unless me
    Dad/conservartor says it is okay”.

    What guy would want to go through the whole hassel of getting Jamie’s permission to date his daughter.

    I do not know if Jamie is getting $18,000/week.
    At first, he was getting $10,000 a month and that was bumped up to $16,000.

    I was just thinking that a lot of people believe that the conservatorship will end when the tour is over which would have been June but if the tour is extended that means the conservatorship will be extended to the Fall.

    If the tour is extended everybody stands to get richer so you better believe it will happen.

  618. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Queen B., enter a fly in the ointment. Goetz. Maybe she has two cents in her head. Maybe she’s hearing reports. Who knows. I am glad the tour is delayed.

    JM says Jamie’s getting $18,000 per week while she is on tour. He might actually know.

    I don’t believe the tour will auto happen. What an interesting thing for Goetz to pick, after two hours alone with “the parties.” Surely they didn’t spend two hours discussing the economy in Europe and Australia. Unless, er… money was all “the parties” tried to talk about. Did they slip up in playing their cards? Forget their audience?

  619. Amethyst Mine Says:

    They can’t take Britney out of state and/or out of the country without Goetz saying yes. It’s the law, but you know that.

    What makes you confident?

  620. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Fantasy. Steel. You see Almost Famous?

    Mark gave us one.

    Steel. I am glad you’ve been busy. Hope it’s not like being in a church, St. Mag.

  621. small hands Says:

    Hi all :)
    The c-ship is not going to end when the tour is over. I would love if Jamie Spears proved me wrong. But we can read him to a T. I hope he starts to fall soon…not the person, but in regards to the c-ship.
    Just my $.02

  622. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Amethyst Mine Says:
    April 16th, 2009 at 12:12 am

    JM says Jamie’s getting $18,000 per week while she is on tour. He might actually know.

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    Jordan has a habit of copying and pasting articles and, the odd time, not quite getting the info right, or mixing his own opinion in at the end of the article while not letting readers know he’s moved from the article to his own thoughts.

    I believe I’d read JM’s article somewhere else first, so when I read it at BH I stopped when I got to the “$18,000 per week.” I had a feeling it was a typo. I doesn’t sound right.

  623. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Fantasy Says:
    April 15th, 2009 at 7:07 pm

    The man in that photo wearing the blue t-shirt
    with curly hair is not John Sundahl.
    That’s Daimon Shippen.

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    True, true.

    I bet if we went back a couple of years, even prior to Brit’s relationship with K-Fed, we’d see “romance” stories being released the day before damaging “real” news about Brit is about to hit. It seems to be a damage-control tactic that is used to no end.

    Geez…Imagine being Brit back in 2007, when she was alienated from her family and management (by her own choice)…What it must have been like for her to see The Machine plant stories in the media behind her back, just to cover up for her own behaviour?

    (One of my favourite clips – which I don’t have time to dig up right now – is of X17 paps grilling Lynn during the summer of 2007 over the rumours that Brit was not speaking to her because Lynn was writing a book. Lynn denied that there was any book in the works. Ummm…Anyone read “Through the Storm”??)

    Brit must know by now that The Machine will continue on – with or without her participation.

    What a horrible feeling.

  624. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Amethyst Mine Says:
    April 15th, 2009 at 7:54 pm

    It’s the second story posted and is re Britney going to church. aw, can you confirm it is the same John Sundahl being yapped about as in 2007?

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    If that’s John Sundahl, he looks pretty terrible for supposedly being 38-years old!

    Eh, I think The Machine purposely puts out stories that contain random and/or incorrect facts just to keep us distracted with trying to sort out truth or fact.

    …Works pretty well, doesn’t it?

  625. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    AM, I haven’t seen Almost Famous since it came out. Maybe time for a re-watch.

    I’m busy, but a good busy. Finally have a deadline.

  626. Amethyst Mine Says:

    It’s a good movie. The context helps slightly. It’s not a must see. I’d be lying if I said doh! but that’s the beauty of MT. Just when you think you’ve got it…did it portend to the not-so-fast Australia Europe legs?

    Yea you are good busy! I love hate deadlines.

    It’s Eardley in court today. Yes?

  627. Amethyst Mine Says:

    ‘Nicole’ made a point we just haven’t said aloud about Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome.

    http://www.jfxonline.com/jfxonline/2009/04/14/the-tour-goes-on-forever-and-the-money-never-ends/

    I’m waiting for someone to show up so have 15 mins to find the X17 Lynne clip.

  628. small hands Says:

    http://www.tmz.com/2009/04/16/britneys-ex-sued-over-car-attack/

    we finally have the name of the person who served Adnan with TRO. And he is suing Adnan.

  629. small hands Says:

    I would look for the clip of Lynne, but I really don’t want to hear her again. Sorry.

  630. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Found this along the way.

    ‘A hearing is set for tomorrow to address Jamie Spears’ conservatorship of his daughter and we’re hearing Brit’s prepared to fight!

    Britney has apparently been speaking to her attorney’s at Trope & Trope from the pay phone inside the UCLA psychiatric facility. Team Lutfi’s telling us Britney does NOT want her father having control over her — her medical decisions and her money — and she’ll have her attorney’s argue for a replacement — who, we’re not sure.

    We’ve heard the Spears family are nervous about the hearing and feeling as if Britney might be successful in her bid to kick her dad out of her life …’

    If that’s true, that makes three attorneys or three law firms she tried to get help from.

    I didn’t realize the c-ship was Jamie’s beef over Trope and Trope. I suspect it is true as who would know better than Sam at the time what was going on … oh Adnan and Brit herself.

    http://x17online.com/celebrities/lynne_spears/index.php?page=3

  631. MH Says:

    http://www.tmz.com/2009/04/16/britneys-ex-sued-over-car-attack/

  632. MH Says:

    oops… already posted

  633. MH Says:

    small, his name has been out since pretty much day one.

    when will this ever end.

  634. small hands Says:

    LOL…yeah I realized that after I posted it. I had forgotten it. :)

    I wish we could go back and edit our posts, then maybe I wouldn’t look so dumb sometimes.

  635. small hands Says:

    Laters :)

  636. Fantasy Says:

    I’m still going over the MT post.
    I googled the lyrics. Still on it. Wanna get it.
    Idk if it’s just related to BS or AG or both.
    Now I think it’s both because of MH and Small’s
    link from a little bit ago.

  637. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Fantasy. I’m not sure. It preceded the news on Goetz’s decision.

    Everybody is on the bus after a big fight with particularly “bad” (hilarious) behavior by the lead singer who stayed out all night with fans.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Qn3tel9FWU

    The evening is over. Hope you enjoyed the show.

    Sometimes Mark predicts the future. At other times he proves his credibility. At other times I feel he is sending a message direct to Jamie Spears.

    —–
    Ram testified earlier this year on the TROs along with Sergio Kopelev and Itamar Gelbman. I can’t remember why I made note of Martell Investigations.

  638. Amethyst Mine Says:

    So is Adnan being sued today in correlation to Britney possibly taking the stand or not, in terms of news and distraction?

  639. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Geez. I am confused on court dates. sorry

  640. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    From June 2007. Scroll towards the bottom to find, “A New Man, A New Agent, A New Explanation for the Letter,” from June 2007:

    “And why might Britney be so mistrustful of her mom’s intentions? Well, according to our source, the big reason is Britney’s anger over her mom Lynne shopping around a tell-all book which Britney’s specifically asked her not to write! But that’s hardly all – in addition to being generally suspicious of her mom using the children as a pretext to visit Kevin and conspire against her, Britney’s said to be very angry about Lynne’s continuing (business) relationship with her old manager Larry Rudolph!”

    http://x17online.com/celebrities/2007/06/

    This isn’t the video of Lynn denying that she was writing a book. But it’s still interesting. The “new man” is actually Sam Lutfi, but the media had been told she was “dating” John Sundahl.

  641. Amethyst Mine Says:

    In case I confused anyone (myself!) Trope and Trope worked “with” Adam Streisand.

    I had thought Jamie wanted to get rid of Trope and Trope over lousy progress with custody .. but on the other hand Trope was trying to end the relationship anyway, but decided to stay on?

    Good find, Steel.

    ———–
    hmmm…maybe the kids were sent to stay with Lynne? She hasn’t seen them in a long while, or been seen with them. No Twitters on how the kids spent Easter?

  642. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Steel. I think this is what you were looking for.

    http://x17online.com/celebrities/lynne_spears/index.php?page=5

    Scroll down to Oct 29 2007. I can’t get the vid to work.

  643. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Yeppers. That looks like it’s it. Funny how the story on the book all turned out to be…true.

  644. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Fantasy. I personally adored the many accents Britney had the talent to produce in FTR.

    I’m not worried for Britney but just as curious as anyone as to what she might say next.

    Good luck in your LA concerts, Brit, and give us a shout out as to what’s on your mind.

    Hope to see you on April 21st. Court is a stone’s throw between Anaheim and Oakland.

  645. Amethyst Mine Says:

    So… having not much else to research I wonder why Itamar Ghelbman gave up being the head of Britney’s security force. Maybe that was a misprint in the media when he testified.

    Is he the same Ghelbman who was in the Israeli Defense Force? Ah it can’t be.

    As for Ian H., I wish he would give up on Angelina and Pitt. Boring and kind of evil.

  646. MH Says:

    Rock out with your cock out, bitches.
    http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/the_awful_truth/b119066_britney_phoning_in_her_happiness.html

  647. Amethyst Mine Says:

    It is totally her airline smile. She’s a professional model.

    Good on ye, E!

    Where are Britney’s children? No Easter egg hunt. I’m just sure Britney wanted to “treat her friends” to brunch over Easter.

  648. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Jeremy Cowart. Again. Nice cover of Lynne’s book by Jeremy Cowart.

    Ah. Family.

  649. MH Says:

    http://www.tmz.com/2009/04/16/britney-spears-woman-arrested/

  650. Fantasy Says:

    Is E online another raspberry?
    I mean E news the tv show.
    They did a story on Britney and Chase and brunch.
    They showed the pic we’ve all seen & identified
    the guy to her left as her crush.
    Chase is really pictured on the upper left.
    How many raspberries are there?
    A few of too many to count?

  651. Fantasy Says:

    About the boys and Easter.
    Has Britney’s boys visits changed since the tour?
    Idk if the boys visited on Sundays before.
    I was thinking that if the boys spent Easter w/
    K-Fed it’s cuz of the religious affiliation.
    Since Britney doesn’t have legal custody,etc, etc.
    Any Britney pics since she’s been in L.A.?
    Not at Calabasas hm. this morn’ then a hotel?

  652. Fantasy Says:

    Okay. I think I’m wrong.
    The boys were with Britney during the holidays
    last year.
    Idk if they were w/ her on the day of Christmas.
    Idk. Just wondering.

  653. Amethyst Mine Says:

    It’s interesting, Fantasy, because the boys have been “used” on holidays. TeamKevin doesn’t have anything.

    Does Kevin have to stop looking like a good father?

    Was Jamie caught or warned about whoring Britney out to paps?

    Is Jamie trying to win his case that Britney was “innocently” letting Adnan know her whereabouts so Adnan and a bunch of paps could film her? No Brit. No paps. And no kids either just a stupid Twitter from Adam Leber or Holly what’s her name.

    Are K-Fed and Jamie holding the kids away from Britney?

    What the hell is going on. And where is JM’s official LA Circus Tour post?

    Steel. Your thoughts please re the refund my ticket in Vancouver thing? Bogus? Go-back-you-whore funded? Two, three people? Guys?

    Fantasy. Easter eggs have little to do with ‘religion’ and who gets the kids.

  654. Fantasy Says:

    I asked about E news tv show earlier cuz I also
    read their version of Adnan’s H ‘n R case.
    I’m talking about the new lawsuit.
    Anyway, E online says that he could be deported.
    I read that a couple months back.
    JM first said it could be.
    Then JM said that wasn’t gonna happen, etc.
    What’s the truth?
    Is that too personal for me to ask here?

  655. Fantasy Says:

    Amethyst, did you read the Slip and slide twitter?
    I know she doesn’t write them but would they make
    up stuff just to put on Twitter?

  656. Amethyst Mine Says:

    In my opinion, Fantasy? Yes. They would make that up.

    As for Adnan being deported I called the law enforcement agency of the Department of Immigration, etc. No way they are deporting Adnan or anyone near like him until they have served time for a proven crime in the U.S. After that, Adnan would get his time before immigration judge like anyone else.

    As for E! they are no longer a strawberry. Strawberries are owned/paid/have incentive provided by Camp Spears. TMZ may be a strawberry.

    Strawberries get gifts. Jamie is a ‘magi’ bearing gifts as some paps know.

  657. Amethyst Mine Says:

    er. Believe.

  658. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Checked out Jeremy Cowart’s web site. Stunning photos. Now I see why he’s getting all the Spears gigs!

  659. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Beautiful work.

    It’s official. Cowart is official tour photographer. But he came from Lynne Spears’ camp.

    Lou?

  660. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Fantasy. When in doubt, pick up the phone.

    There is at least one person who won’t be talking as an LAPD in-the-know spokesperson anymore.

    I wasn’t ratting anyone out. I wanted the story, and the person talking to People.com for the LAPD wasn’t consistent with what I was hearing from someone more credible as an official.

  661. Amethyst Mine Says:

    BH is being hit heavy tonight.

  662. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    If Brit uses dance as her therapy, then I’d say she’s becoming mentally stronger by the day. I was just watching the vids from last night, and she’s not that far away from dancing like the Britney of days gone by. Good for her!

  663. Amethyst Mine Says:

    http://images.eonline.com/static/news/pdf/adnancar.pdf

    Ram’s case against, Adnan courtesy of E!.

    Doe. Does?? What Does?

    Steel. I watched some of the vids too. Spectacular. Also caught a bit of Madonna’s Truth or Dare doc last night.

  664. Amethyst Mine Says:

    I admire what E! left out or could have made more of while they still included the full complaint.

    http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b119114_britneys_ex_adnan_sued_over_alleged_hit.html

  665. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Ram is alleging that five people are responsible in some way for Adnan’s acts.

    wow. Who is Ram trying to smear and threaten?

    I guess Camp Spears has nothing on those five Does or their tactic would be too obvious and work against it.

  666. Fantasy Says:

    Just making a correction from yesterday.
    Strawberry. Not raspberry.
    Sorry for the mix up. :)

  667. Amethyst Mine Says:

    No worries. Didn’t Gigi come in once and talk about raspberries, strawberries and peaches?

    Were you able to open the Complaint doc?

  668. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Oh, Fantasy. I missed what you were pointing at when it came to E! and deportation. I didn’t see the full article until this moment. Sorry.

  669. Fantasy Says:

    I saw it yesterday. Didn’t say anything about it.
    This is the first time I’d read about the doe’s.
    E! hasn’t retracted the story about him and the ex
    from 1-31-2009.
    People will keep mentioning that you know.

  670. Fantasy Says:

    I didn’t quite understand #4.
    Have you read it all thoroughly?

  671. Amapola Says:

    Have this been talked about on this thread?
    I wonder why and what it implies..

    “….
    The process server suffered cuts, abrasions and a fractured wrist in the attack, but refused medical treatment when cops arrived”

    http://uk.eonline.com/uberblog/b119160_britneys_ex_adnan_sued_over_alleged_hit.html

  672. Amethyst Mine Says:

    ‘People will keep mentioning that you know.’

    I know. That’s why it’s interesting the tabloids didn’t jump on it yesterday.

    As to #4? I didn’t either. Here is similar language (some verbatim) in another California suit.

    http://www.nclc.org/issues/cocounseling/content/s_barbara_case.pdf

    Pages 4-5, #5-#7

  673. Fantasy Says:

    Amapola, I was just about to bring that up.
    Why didn’t he get treatment of some kind there?
    Did he treat himself or did he get treatment from
    his personal physician?
    People walk away from accidents everyday and say
    that they feel just fine.
    A day later they’re in pain.
    He’s suing for emotional distress and wants his
    legal bills/fees paid by the defendant,etc.
    I didn’t see anything about medical bills/fees.

  674. Fantasy Says:

    #8-Moskowitz along with a former LAPD officer
    retained to assist on the service of Ghalib,
    conducted surveillance of Ghalib intended to help
    them effect service of the legal papers.

    That means someone from the police dept.(maybe undercover) or someone else in law enforcement
    was staking out that apartment complex or following him.
    For how long? Just him or him and his acquaintances?

  675. Fantasy Says:

    Didn’t someone here already mention that?

  676. gigi Says:

    I can’t open the dang document. My computer keeps hanging up everytime I try. Grr…

    Yes I probably talk about strawberries, raspberries and other fruit at some point.

    Hey everyone. I’ve been sick and in the hospital but I’m all better now. Took me forever to catch up with everything.

  677. Fantasy Says:

    Hi, Gigi. It’s great that you’re better.
    You were missed.
    The documents should still be on E’s site,btw.
    :)

  678. gigi Says:

    Thanks. I’ll try again in a bit.

  679. gigi Says:

    Well I tried. I can’t open it. My computer locks up each and every time. Oh well.

  680. Amapola Says:

    gigi
    Glad your home again, and about that document, I can´t either open it.
    “This side is not” ~oo~ :(

  681. Amapola Says:

    About injuries, broken bones etc.
    A radiolic doctor can easy see if its an old injury.. or a “newborn” fresh one.

  682. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Good point, Ama, but I wonder who will fund Adnan’s defense?

    Gigi, welcome back!

    If you guys can’t see the doc here is a brief recap.
    Moskowitz, Plaintiff, v. Adnan Ghalib, an individual and DOES, 1-5, inclusive.

    Moskowitz isn’t just going out for Adnan but for five Defendent Does (Ama, try Googling Jane Doe if you don’t know what Doe means). The wording is VERY similar to this from the other California case I linked earlier:

    Plaintiff is ignorant of the true names and capacities of Defendants sued herein as Does 1-20, and therefore sues these Defendants by such fictitious names. Plaintiff is informed and believes that each of the fictitiously named Defendants, including any such Defendants that may be the agents, representatives, or parent or subsidiary corporations of the named Defendants, is responsible in some manner for the occurrences, events, transactions, and injuries alleged herein, and that the harm suffered by the persons Plaintiff represents and by the general public as hereinafter set forth were proximately caused by said Defendants. Plaintiff will amend this complaint to state the true names and capacities of said Doe Defendants when ascertained.

    6. Plaintiff is informed and believes and thereon alleges that each of the Defendants, including the Doe Defendants, acted in concert with each and every other Defendant, intended to and did participate in the events, acts, practices and courses of conduct alleged herein, and was a proximate cause of damage and injury thereby to Plaintiff as alleged herein.

    7. At all times herein mentioned, each Defendant was the agent or employee of each of the other Defendants and was acting within the course and scope of such agency or employment.

  683. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Also, Azlynn Berry’s place was under surveillance by Moskowitz and a former LAPD officer. He was supposed retained to “assist service on the defendant.

    Moskowitz says that he had been trying to serve Adnan before to no avail. He says that Adnan was aware of this.

    Moskowitz had been employed since the latter part of 2008 by Chameleon Strategic Operations.

    He says he saw Adnan leave Azlynn’s apartment, go along the balconey and down the stairs toward his car in a gated area. Moskowitz positioned himself near the exit, in the alley way.

    He says Adnan exited driving very slowly. There were no passengers. Moskowitz said he told Adnan that he was serving papers. Suddenly the car veered to the left and accelerated.

    The rest is what you’ve read about the garbage dumpster etc.

    The complaint is for five things. Assault, battery, negligence, intentional infliction of emotional distress, negligent infliction of emotional distress.

    Hope this helps.

  684. gigi Says:

    Well I still say its all crap. If the idiot got in front of a moving car no matter how fast he was going he ask to get his ass ran over. If he got hurt from being dumb enough to try to stop a moving car then its his fault. If there are 5 others involved and he wants to sue them and he doesnt know their names then too damn bad.

  685. gigi Says:

    Hell send him to me and let me run over him if he wants to hop out in front of me. I dont stop either. Dog, cat, deer, squirel, idiot doesnt matter. If your stupid enough to walk/run out in front of a moving car then too dang bad. I thought most mothers taught their young not to walk in front of cars when the kids are young. Guess this guy missed that part of moms instruction.

  686. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Per Moskowitz, Adnan acted with malice and oppression.

    Fantasy. I couldn’t see where he wanted compensation for medical fees.

    He does want Adnan to pay all of his attorney fees and costs.

  687. Fantasy Says:

    I didn’t see anything about medical fees either.
    Why were the pics on Perez?
    If he had time to pose for pics why didn’t he take
    time to get medical treatment on the spot?
    Well, all I can say is that I hope things work
    out well for Adnan.

  688. Amethyst Mine Says:

    I must love you guys a lot. ok, here’s more:

    Moskowitz claims the Mercedes (Adnan) slammed into Moskowitz–who had no place or way to escape due to the presence of a large garbage truck (ok, I was mistaken about a dumpster earlier)directly behind him and because of how quickly the Mercedes had veered toward him and sped up.

    The violent impact knocked Moskowitz onto the hood of the Mercedes.”

    From there Adnan zig zagged down the alley while Moskowitz held on and after 30 to 40 yardss Moskowitz was thrown from the Mercedes.

    “Moskowitz crashed onto the pavement and sustained myriad physical injuries. Defendant sped away in the Mercedes.”

    It doesn’t detail what the injuries were. No mention of a broken wrist.

    I’m confused. Mercedes slammed into plaintiff causing such an impact that plaintiff was thrown to the hood of a car? I can see Adnan maybe speeding away, but slamming into a human body? One would think that would have caused an injury beyond raspberries from the pavement.

  689. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Is this the first we’ve heard of Adnan slamming into the guy? Did they let go of Hit and Run? Was that on the felony charges?

  690. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Hey Fantasy. Did you find the environment of those pics odd? Where were the pictures taken I wonder? Nice floor mat.

  691. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Was there anyone in the garbage truck? I’ve never seen a garbage truck in an alley, just parked there.

    Wonder who would do such a thing. Was the truck part of the caper or operation?

    We never did hear details on how Adnan was blocked in last year.

  692. Amethyst Mine Says:

    lol

    ‘“He was naked from the waist up,” a source tells E! News exclusively. “And he was back living with his estranged wife in Burbank.”’

  693. Fantasy Says:

    Perez’s story is as detailed as the documents.
    Perez says, “The agents wrist was fractured and
    he spent the night in the E.R.”

    The pics of Ram (?) weren’t credited.
    Pic 1- scraped right elbow
    Pic 2- Left jean ripped at the knee
    Pic 3- Right elbow scraped
    Pic 4- Both legs pictured: Rt. leg covered w/
    gauze and surgical tape. One nickle size drop of
    blood. Lt. leg bandaged w/ gauze and surg. tape.
    Blood showing through the gauze.

    Imo, Ram is Caucasian, medium build, dark blonde
    hair or medium brown hair.
    The pics look like they were taken in a trailer/portable. (That make sense?)
    Brown cabinet. Blue carpet.

  694. Fantasy Says:

    No pic of a wrist.
    Obviously,I’m biased but does this sound a tiny bit suspicious to you or is it just me?
    Same w/ the assault from last year.

  695. gigi Says:

    If he really slammed into him like they want us to believe he would have more injuries than skinned knees and elbows and he would not feel like getting his picture taken. IF the garbage truck was there then he probably walked out from behind it like an idiot directly in front of the car. If he did then its almost like he wanted to dare A to hit him. Guess he lost that bet. Oops sorry what was that bump in road. Idiot.

  696. Fantasy Says:

    About my description of the process server, when
    I wrote medium build I meant average. Not too big not too small.

  697. gigi Says:

    Yes it sounds suspicious. No one ever said anything about a broken writs until weeks later. Hell he could have broken that doing something else. You know if he had broken his wrist that day it would have been shown on those pictures.

  698. Fantasy Says:

    Gigi, do you think A. was provoked?
    Like R.M. was trying to get a reaction out of him.
    And the docs say there was a former LAPD officer with Ram as well.
    Why didn’t the ex-cop get involved to help Ram or stop what was happening?
    An LAPD former cop just stood there/sat in the car and watched all of this and didn’t do anything for anyone at all?
    Bulls***!

  699. gigi Says:

    I do think he was provoked or thought another attack was coming and was getting the hell out of the way. I dont think he would just run over a man just because of no reason. I think they tried to block him in or thought he would just stop by someone being in the way. The former cop was probably one of the witness people this Ram guy has. Just another set up.

  700. Amethyst Mine Says:

    So Ronnie was accurate in describing creepy people with unexplained presences hanging around the apartment complex, making residents feel unease.

  701. gigi Says:

    Of course Ronnie was right. I just wonder who the 5 are that have no names. I guess I can only think to myself. I’m not putting my thoughts on that here. Sorry.

  702. Amethyst Mine Says:

    So. Who are these Does and how could they possibly be held liable for the actions of another human being? Adnan was alone in the car per Moskowitz.

    Adnan was driving between 3-5 miles before Moskowitze said, “You are being served with court papers.”

    It says quote, “he told defendant.”

    He didn’t yell? He spoke conversational? How far as he from the car?

    Is it possible the garbage truck was closing in, boxing in?

    Some days I wonder why I speculate about anything. As Twain intimated, there is their side and they will be believed.

  703. gigi Says:

    Well if he was on the car and the car was blazing down the alley he had to yell or scream it if he didn’t tell him before hopping on the car. lol If A drove 3 – 5 miles thats a damn long alley way.

  704. Amethyst Mine Says:

    I’m not putting my thoughts out there either, Gigi.

    If they wanted to shut down an agency and their website, then we must all be doing something that causes unwanted, uncontrolled effects, just like with Breatheheavy. The kid had impact and so too the fans and fans who were/are detractors.

    I wonder that Jordan hasn’t given an update but I am sure he has his reasons. “I’ll have your ass!” is pretty threatening to a 20 year old. Now he’s 21 but.. it seems obvious he got some good legal advice, knows more of his rights and the fans’ rights.

  705. Amethyst Mine Says:

    oops

  706. Fantasy Says:

    When Sam was served last year didn’t he try to
    make a run for it? What came of that?
    What’s with these Israeli process servers all over the place? And security guards too.
    The bald man who’s Britney’s bodyguard is Israeli.
    And so was Lee, the videographer.
    Coincidence?

    Now I remember. When rumors surfaced of Britney
    liking Lee that was around the same time that
    a story about Adnan and Britney still being “on”.
    Harvey from TMZ at the time even said on the show
    that he knew that Britney and Adnan were indeed
    still in touch or whatever.
    How’d he know? He sounded so sure of it.
    B+A still together-July 2008 (early)
    B+Lee together-July 2008 (late)

  707. Fantasy Says:

    Found the story about Lutfi being served in 8/2007
    Aaron Cohen tried to serve Lutfi w/ a subpoena
    only to have his car rammed into by Lutfi himself.
    US Weekly source said Lutfi spotted Cohen’s car,
    drove into it and fled the scene.

    In investigation revealed that an assault w/ a
    deadly weapon (vehicle) occured.
    Detectives are handling the case and an investigation is ongoing.
    Incident occured on 8-27-2007

  708. Fantasy Says:

    Continued.
    A Britney Spears fansite, Breatheheavy.com, claims
    that it was Aaron Cohen who initiated last nights
    violence.
    Sam Lutfi told X17online in a video of his innocence. “We were on our way home, and right before I pulled into my driveway I was surrounded
    by three cars. From the rear, the side, the front.
    The car in front rammed into me, the car in the back hit, the car in the side scraped…the damage on the car speaks for itself. I was afraid for my safety.” said Lutfi.

  709. Fantasy Says:

    To my knowledge no charges were filed for assault
    with a deadly weapon. No hit and run.
    Do you think Sam was actually being honest?
    He’s such a liar one can never tell if he’s crying
    wolf again or not.

  710. Amethyst Mine Says:

    I believe it was Sam who called 911? Mark Twain also brought up this incident looking for similarities.

    No I don’t think it is a coincidence with the Israelis. If you dig into Aaron Cohen he favors hiring those from Israel with defense experience.

    The guy Itabar what’s his name that testified at the first TRO hearing. If I got my facts right, he was Britney’s ERRRR Camp Spears’ former security team lead. He was a “decorated” Israeli Defense Force guy.

    That said it doesn’t mean so much more than maybe they are the best of the best and doing well with their skills in espionage, defense, counter-terrorism in L.A. working for clients.

    MH can tell you the name of the bald guy. He too will come up with “past experience” I believe. I am glad that he and Brit seem more comfortable with each other these days. He yelled alot in the beginning. Do you remember? Some of the first words we heard from Britney post c-ship decision were, “Shut the F— UP! You’re yelling in my ear.”

  711. Amethyst Mine Says:

    A few things.

    If Does supplied Defendant with alcohol or drugs they could be liable.

    If Defendant was in the scope of Does’ employ or employer at the time, Does could be liable.

    If Does loaned Defendant a car, they could be liable.

    I’m not sure what kind of case Ram is trying to build here.

  712. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Correction. If they Does loaned Defendant the Mercedes in the incident…

  713. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    I’m guessing Adnan wasn’t the only person under surveillence…

    Geez.

  714. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    I think I can see exactly what kind of case he’s trying to build here. Looks like a “shoot out the tires to stop the car from moving” kind of case. As if he (or should I say, they) are yanking out the guys on the bottom of the human pyramid just to hurt the guy on the top.

  715. MH Says:

    bald body gaurd…edan yemini

    also…the complaint says, black Mercedes Benz SL 55. Addy’s car isn’t black.

  716. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Missed your input today, Steel. Insightful. I’m sure the cameras were going both ways.

    —–

    Fantasy. One last thing about deportation. The officer I talked to at immigration told me they don’t become aware of someone like Adnan until he has been convicted of a crime. Then he is in the system. He’s here legally so…

    Deportation issues or rumors began to circulate in January 2008 under the guise of Kevin, caring about his wife, would personally see that Adnan would be deported and Kevin was investigating him, yada.

    The Brand at work?

  717. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Correction. Caring about his ex-wife.


    Sharp eyes, MH, and not for the first time.

  718. Amethyst Mine Says:

    So say Addy was driving someone else’s car. What of it? He had reasons to fear for his life.

    Combine creepy people hanging around an apartment complex and for how long?

    If someone loaned Adnan a car, it doesn’t constitute the complicity RM suggests. I’m speaking to the choir.

  719. MARK TWAIN Says:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCDEoodZD90

  720. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Haven’t had time to read the court docs, but I’ve got a hunch who the car belongs to…

    Quite the turn of events.

  721. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Don’t even know what else to say here. For once, I’ve got nothing more to write…

    It must be a pleasant break for you folks! LOL

  722. Amethyst Mine Says:

    MT. Oh.

  723. MH Says:

    http://www.showbizspy.com/article/184332/britney-spears-thinks-her-dad-is-drugging-her

  724. Amethyst Mine Says:

    A few more details for those without access.

    In addition to a fractured wrist RM says there was damage to his rotator cuff and back.

    He says he has persistent flashbacks, recurring nightmares pertaining to the incident, and an inability to sleep peacefully. He claims stress and anxiety. He claims he did not experience any of the foregoing prior to the alleged incident.

    He claims that Adnan did it all on purpose.

  725. MH Says:

    http://www.breatheheavy.com/exhale/viewthread.php?tid=144940

  726. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Thank you, MH.

    mw, an interesting blank court form pertaining to capacity and hearings at the hospital?

    http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/forms/pdf/MHRiesePetition.pdf

  727. Fantasy Says:

    Is this how it goes?
    Daniel=Adnan
    Johnny=Jamie&Co.
    Originally the good kid won. Right?
    Alternate, the bad kid wins.

    I can’t pretend to know about the car.
    Maybe this one was borrowed or newly leased.

    Tiny dancer. The show goes on no matter what?
    Could be that Britney wants to go home.
    But little does she know, she is.

    Mm..okay. I’m done guessing.

  728. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Jordan and his site are def newsworthy. LOL from the textbook: timeliness, conflict, eminence and prominence, human interest, consequence and impact for fans.

    E! did say they contacted him.

    I don’t post often at BH but can’t hurt to mention the other side of it.

  729. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Fantasy, do you text from a phone? No wonder you can’t put links up.

    Tiny dancer. I am going with the lyric, hold me tightly. Sometimes Mark posts vid that speaks for Adnan. Once he posted one from City of Angels that got to me.

    Karate Kid. FTR ref maybe, but the guy in white lost in the revised video. It was an edited video.

    I’m waiting to see something from Star Wars some day. ;)

  730. Fantasy Says:

    What? Do I text from a phone?
    Yeah the vid is edited. I’ve not seen K-kid since
    I was a kid.
    I’m a literal person. And visual.
    That’s why my interpretation came from the video
    clip and not so much the lyrics.
    Does MT ever reveal what he’s saying.
    Ever? In a way we all can understand?
    Like I once said, I took your advice and went back
    in time. Sort of.
    I haven’t read it all but one of the “messages”
    I think I get now.

  731. Amethyst Mine Says:

    I respectfully await for my other cheek to arrive and sleuth. From the blank court form posted today:

    ‘9. It is alleged on information and belief that the patient is required to have an advocate/legal
    counsel appointed and is unable to retain such services.

    WHEREFORE, Petitioner prays that:
    1. An advocate be appointed to represent the patient in the medication capacity hearing. The advocate may be an attorney privately retained by the patient or an employee of the Los Angeles County Department of Mental Health attached to the Patient’s Rights Office;
    2. The Court issue an order finding that the patient is incapable of giving informed consent during the patient’s commitment under aforementioned applicable Welfare and Institutions Code Sections.’

    What if the Ingham thing went down like this? Britney was being held under a 5150.

    ‘3. This patient is presently showing symptoms of a mental disorder known as ________.

    4. In my professional judgment the patient would benefit from the administration of the
    following psychiatric medications:________’

    Go back to #9 after Wherefore. If Britney refused medication, the legal system concludes she doesn’t have capacity and requires the court to appoint someone. This may be a private attorney by the patient — but wait, Jamie and Andrew Wallet represent the patient as Britney is in c-ship.

    Was Sam Ingham an employee of the court? The city? The county? Or was he running a private practice in Beverly Hills at the time?

    I think I’ve been duped for a year by this “court appointed attorney” and thinking Jamie had nothing to do in the selection.

  732. Amethyst Mine Says:

    MH. If that form was completed then there may be some truth behind the article you found and Jamie controlling the drugs she gets.

    She fell asleep in FTR. She needed to take a nap during her interview with Rolling Stone.

    Maybe all Britney knows is that she didn’t need sleep like that before. I think the reporter thought it was odd, like it wasn’t something she had seen before in Britney.

  733. Fantasy Says:

    Do you remember what Queen B said about PVP?
    The court picks someone from the panel to see if a c-ship is needed or not.
    I too wanted to know more about the selection
    process.
    “The court picks someone..” Who in the court?
    The judge? Wouldn’t that be Jdg. Bobb?
    Did Jamie already know Wallet? When?

    I know now that Jdg. Bobb knew Wallet from at least 3 years before the c-ship was in place.
    In Lynne’s book she said Jamie wanted to file for
    c-ship 6 weeks before the 2nd 5150.
    That would have been as early as Dec.07

    This is all looking so warped.

  734. Amethyst Mine Says:

    # Fantasy Says:
    April 18th, 2009 at 5:03 pm

    ……………………
    Does MT ever reveal what he’s saying.
    Ever? In a way we all can understand?

    —————-
    Absolutely not. Sometimes in the past he would let us know who was getting warm, but I think that’s come to a head now that Jamie has proved to be Michael Corleone.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bC1-6nDGRfc&feature=related

    (Mark, I hope you watch enough of the video to see…:) lol

  735. Amethyst Mine Says:

    I wonder that Mark is in the binder.

  736. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Fantasy, I agree, warped. I think in Lynne’s book that Jamie had everything he needed to go ahead with the c-ship. For whatever reason he waited … until the timing was perfect or when God wanted it or some religious alibi as to explaining the timing.

    I don’t know if Queen B is expert on the law in LA Superior Court. I am not challenging her. I just don’t know her expertise because she hasn’t proclaimed it and hasn’t posted enough for the rest of us to decide.

    I am really glad you were curious about how these attorneys are appointed. It’s been on my mind but one of those things tossed by the way side as more news becomes available.

    The document I posted is from the LA Courthouse website.

    No media, that I know of, reported “how” Ingham was selected. One could call the bar association for more info and if they can’t answer they should be able to point you to someone who can.

    On other matters, Fantasy, you were here right when Adnan was first charged with the felony counts? You might remember discussion on some editing.

    Also, you’re likely to find us having open discussions but some of us keep an eye as to who is listening. I often hope it’s someone in a position to help but I also believe there are those who will use this board for intelligence.

    Hence I wonder whether Mark is binder-worthy in Jamie’s eyes.

    If Jamie is threatened enough by Breatheheavy and didn’t think out the risk of going after that 20 year young man, then Jamie may be threatened enough to come after JFX and one anonymous poster who keeps knowing things.

    Risks people. People are taking risks. I wonder who else will join the small crowd.

  737. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Sorry I was unclear. I’m not so sure as to the PVP appointment process as identified by Queen B.

    I’m not convinced given the L.A. Court form turned up today that Ingham came at random from a county courthouse panel.

    Real estate can’t be cheap in Beverly Hills where Ingham has his practice.

  738. Amapola Says:

    I´m so sick of hearing this sobbing over Jordan Miller:
    “….If Jamie is threatened enough by Breatheheavy and didn’t think out the risk of going after that 20 year young man” (Jordan Miller….)
    For god sake, this Jordan Miller have worked on making Adnas life miserably from day one and this Jordan Miller have never EVER said a bad workd about Sam Lutfi.

    Please, wake up!

  739. Amapola Says:

    correction:
    “..but this Jordan Miller have never EVER said a bad word about Sam Lutfi.”

  740. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Ama. Where you and I differ on this issue is that I dismiss the past as the past and you glob onto it.

    Everything on the chess board has changed.

    It’s a fight you are unwilling to see or just can’t see past some emotion about Jordan.

    What was your reaction on seeing Jordan, who had been anti-Adnan, posting on a board that was pro-Adnan? The commonality is the teeth of Jamie Spears.

    I’m surprised anyone needs to explain. This is not a bash-Jordan forum for now. This particular thread is about an audio tape that almost never saw the light of day.

    I don’t give a shyt about Jordan’s past alliances or leanings. I care what he has been doing recently. I’m impressed. Kid’s got sac.

  741. Amethyst Mine Says:

    “Perez Hilton doesn’t back down to anyone,” said Bryan Freedman, one of his attorneys.

    http://www.ftllp.com/news_subpage.php?id=10

    LA, small world

  742. Queen B Says:

    A lot of you have questions about Brit’s court appointed attorney Sam Ingham and how he came to be Brit’s attorney. While I am an attorney, I am no specialist in probate law which is what the conservatorhsip falls under but I do have a theory as to what I think happened.

    Jamie contacts the Luce firm about how he can help Brit since she was out of control. The firm tells Jamie to petition for a conservatorship. The firm probably recommended to Jamie that Andrew Wallet be the co-conservator of the estate because one-he has experience in the area and two-it will show that Jamie is not out to get Brit’s money since he will share those responsibility with a third party who is an attorney subject to rules of profesional responsibility. If Wallet does anything under handed, his law license is gone.

    LA Superior Court Commissioner Reva Goetz got the conservatorhsip case 2/08. Aviva Bobb is handling the restraining order part of Brit’s case. Goetz is the one who chose Ingham to visit Brit in the hospital. Ingham probably does have a private practice but part of his practice probably consists of court appointments such as this because it is simply another stream of revenue. Even though Ingham is court appointed, the tax payers are not paying for Ingham because Britney has the funds to do so. If Brit did not have any money, Ingham would not have represented her because he sure is not go to work for free. I still do not believe that Jamie/Wallet knew for sure that Ingham would be picked because ulitimately that decision belongs to the judge Goetz.

    I think the reason why Jamie waited until late January to move for a conservatorship is because the second hospitalization which Lutfi put into motion, strengthened his case for a conservatorship. One hospitalization could be dismissed as Brit having a bad day but a second hospitalization no more 2.5-3 weeks later indicates that Brit has a serious problem.

    If it were not for the second hospitalization, the conservatorhsip may never had happended. I’m sure Lutfi must regret his decision now.

  743. missteacher Says:

    The Tiny Dancer video made me want to cry….almost as much as the City of Angels one. Ugh….my heart hurts to think of this situation that someone as sweet as B&A are in. My first thought was, that Britney represents the lead singer in Almost Famous who made the rest of the band upset and they are all just sick and tired of the show and putting the show on when clearly she does not want to be there. Then when they start to sing and all become a unit again it is their way of saying, we know Brit and we understand. We are going to try and help you through this. But, then I read AM’s bit about the lyrics and reminded me of City of Angel’s so I googled the lyrics and they certainly fit here….

    Blue jean baby, L.A. lady, seamstress for the band
    Pretty eyed, pirate smile, you’ll marry a music man
    Ballerina, you must have seen her dancing in the sand
    And now she’s in me, always with me, tiny dancer in my hand

    Jesus freaks out in the street
    Handing tickets out for God
    Turning back she just laughs
    The boulevard is not that bad

    Piano man he makes his stand
    In the auditorium
    Looking on she sings the songs
    The words she knows the tune she hums

    But oh how it feels so real
    Lying here with no one near
    Only you and you can hear me
    When I say softly slowly

    Hold me closer tiny dancer
    Count the headlights on the highway
    Lay me down in sheets of linen
    you had a busy day today

    Blue jean baby, L.A. lady, seamstress for the band
    Pretty eyed, pirate smile, you’ll marry a music man
    Ballerina, you must have seen her dancing in the sand
    And now she’s in me, always with me, tiny dancer in my hand

    So, to me regardless of which it is or maybe it is a bit of both….it points to no positive developments for B&A or A or B individually. I hate feeling like I have given up but, there just has been no hope lately….

  744. missteacher Says:

    If it were not for the second hospitalization, the conservatorhsip may never had happended. I’m sure Lutfi must regret his decision now.

    I wonder if Sam’s realizes this now and said to Adnan….I screwed up dude….I was trying to help her really. Let me help you help her and then all that did was bring Adnan closer to Sam and further from Brit??

  745. Amapola Says:

    ?!?!?!?!?

    “missteacher Says:
    …..
    …….
    April 19th, 2009 at 11:15 am
    …..
    …….
    I wonder if Sam’s realizes this now and said to Adnan….I screwed up dude….I was trying to help her really. Let me help you help her and then all that did was bring Adnan closer to Sam and further from Brit??”
    *****************************************

    Who have proof for you that Adnan have been close to Sam Lutfi?

  746. Amapola Says:

    “Amethyst Mine Says:
    April 18th, 2009 at 7:04 pm Ama. Where you and I differ on this issue is that I dismiss the past as the past and you glob onto it.
    Everything on the chess board has changed.
    It’s a fight you are unwilling to see or just can’t see past some emotion about Jordan.
    What was your reaction on seeing Jordan, who had been anti-Adnan, posting on a board that was pro-Adnan?

    …..”
    ************************************

    AM
    Life is not an audition. If you don’t learn of the past when you go into to future, you will end up looking confused on what happening in life.

  747. Amapola Says:

    “Queen B Says:
    April 18th, 2009 at 11:06 pm

    ….
    I think the reason why Jamie waited until late January to move for a conservatorship is because the second hospitalization which Lutfi put into motion, strengthened his case for a conservatorship. One hospitalization could be dismissed as Brit having a bad day but a second hospitalization no more 2.5-3 weeks later indicates that Brit has a serious problem. ”
    **************************************

    QB
    Of course she had problems by then, full of the pills that Sam Lutfi have given here as “he felt”..
    She had to be detoxicated from all of that..not done in a day or two..
    Sam Lutfi should be very happy that she come out of that treatment , HIS treatment, not harmed for life.
    He could have destroyed her for ever.. Look on the risks for lifelong adverse effect from those pills..

    ********
    **********
    If I don’t sound polite in my answers its because I´m uncertain of wish words to use
    , wish phrases..
    I mean, if I sound too polite, not meaning to be it, it will sounds like I´m NOT polite..

    Well, hope you all understand what I mean.

    AM, will soon give me a verbal slap for not beeing polite in my answers ;)

  748. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Queen B. I don’t know. I blame Sam for the first involuntary commitment. Kaplan was there the first night wasn’t he and entered her home?

    There was something in Eardley’s letter about that.

    Lynne believed the second one was based on Lutfi. Britney thought in the hospital her dad had done it (which he never refuted but said instead that he said the hospital was keeping her at UCLA, not him).

    I don’t know anymore how privy Lynne would be to that part of the plan if Jamie had arranged it. The old boys club still exists.

    Jamie would still had to prove lack of capacity. How was he going to do that? If not the hospital what steps did he have planned?

    You are right that one 5150 could have constituted one bad day.

    missteacher. That particular City of Angels vid and the music disappeared. Pity as it was poignant, and I wondered if Mark had put it together himself. I think you are the closest to my thinking on Tiny Dancer.

    Tiny Dancer is raison d’etre ?

    Ama. Not today. lol

  749. Amethyst Mine Says:

    nah. It had to be Sam and ultimately the puny man.

  750. Queen B Says:

    I really feel like Sam caused both of Britney’s hospitalization. On the first ocassion, according to Lynne, Sam lied to Brit saying that Kevin said she could the kids past the court appointed time and of course when Kevin’s bodyguard went to pick the kids up, she freaked out and locked herself in the bathroom.

    In regards to the second hospitalization, Lynne says that the doctor’s report indicated that Brit was not sleeping, taking her meds and was driving recklessly which resulted in the second hospitalization. Since Sam was so close to Brit at that time and she and Jamie were not, Lynne believes that all of that information came from Sam.

    I think that Sam was the one to blame for most of Brit’s problems and in some weird way he wanted to be the one to save her hence the second 5150. Sam wanted to be the one to take credit for helping Brit as opposed to her parents who wanted to help her but could not get through.

    I really do not know what would have happened to Jamie’s plan to get a conservatorship if Brit had not been hospitalized. He still could have filed legal papers but his case would have probably been weaker. In any event, the court would have chosen some attorney to conduct an investigation and based on that, the judge would have approved or denied his request.

  751. Amethyst Mine Says:

    I think I was just airing it all out again, Queen B. It’s great to hear opinions.

    I note the LA court has a list of psychiatrists and that they work with a county mental health agency. You think they only get involved when there is no money?

  752. small hands Says:

    missteacher, I completely understand your position. I think that is why my posts have become less and less—because the situation looks hopeless. Nothing changes and the media is disappointing also.
    I will post every now and then with opinions.

    Be well Adnan. I still believe you are one of the good guys.
    Be brave Britney.

    And GO LAKERS!!! :)

  753. Queen B Says:

    I just happened to go to the LA County Bar Website, I found something relevant to Brit’s case. On 4/25, there is a Mandatory/Refresher PVP Attorney Training Program and guess who some of the speakers will be: Aviva Bobb-judge handling Brit’s restraining order case; Sam Ingham-Brit’s court appointed attorney and an attorney from Andrew Wallet’s firm (Hinosa/Wallet)- co-conservator of estate. The LA Legal Community can be quite small.

    It turns out that Ingham is a certified specialist in trust/estate and probate law. I looked up Jon Eardley on the state bar website and he is not a specialist in that area. Although Brit did not choose Ingham, she should be happy that he is her attorney because it seems like he knows what he is doing unlike Eardley. I do not see anyone iniviting him to speak.

  754. MH Says:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUojuhENVfY

  755. Fantasy Says:

    I’ll be watching to see what JM has to say.
    Thanks,MH. :)

  756. Fantasy Says:

    Check out what Alan Cumming had to say about Britney’s concert. It makes me really sad.
    I don’t feel that anything can be done to help her
    out of the c-ship. Ingham doesn’t seem to be of
    any service in that area.
    Of course I don’t know Britney personally.
    Maybe indeed the c-ship is what she needs
    for the moment. Maybe not. Idk. Idk.
    I just hate to see her so sad and unhappy.
    Anyway,guys. It’s on RadarOnline. Check it out.

  757. MH Says:

    http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/04/exclusive-alan-cumming-disappointed-britney-concert

  758. MARK TWAIN Says:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1RFMwiUAGE&NR=1

  759. small hands Says:

    Thank you MH for posting the radar link. Thank goodness AC has the balls to voice an opinion many won’t like. But as long as Jamie Spears is making his money….

  760. gigi Says:

    Yes more people need to be outspoken like AC. Looks like she is doing all this because she is made to. Pops is holding the kids hostage I’m sure if she doesnt dance when he says dance.

    Hey Mark. Hope your doing fine.

  761. small hands Says:

    And I didn’t know about Wed on E! either.
    Have a very nice day everyone :)

  762. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Oh are we not going to discuss moles and reward?

    lol

    Hi, everybody. Thanks for cool links. Queen B nice sleuthing.

  763. Amethyst Mine Says:

    http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b119609_sam_lutfi_tones_down_attack_on_britney.html

  764. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Wondering who the mole is, where he/she’s at.

    mw, three attorneys want Britney to testify. I can’t wait to hear Freedman’s version on Brit being fit.

  765. gigi Says:

    Yes I was wondering who the mole is also AM. I’m sure whoever it is gets lots of reward from pop.

  766. Amethyst Mine Says:

    I loved the clapping at the end by what is a penguin?

  767. Amethyst Mine Says:

    We’re used to moles on the board but how interesting it might be if one of them were from Camp Spears?

  768. gigi Says:

    yes so true AM. Too bad we really dont know who is who and what everyones agenda really is. Some seem to change with the wind on their thoughts.

  769. missteacher Says:

    i vote for brett!

  770. Amethyst Mine Says:

    LOL missteacher! Brett!

  771. Amapola Says:

    Nice

    http://www.theinsider.com/news/2048550_Nicole_Richie_Blogs_About_Britney_Spears_Concert

  772. Amethyst Mine Says:

    New info re the hearing last week about the Australia tour.

    There were seven parties one of which was someone “we had never seen before.” She caused a great deal of speculation. Lou Taylor and her profession was not amongst the speculation between public information officers and journalists, but I was told I might very well be right. But who knows.

    For those of us living vicariously or trying to get good information, the seven went behind closed doors “for hours and hours.”

    Only three of the seven were publicly identified for the record as the co-conservators plus an attorney. I think my source knew four of them though. When pressed as to who the woman was though, the parties who stayed after, the attorney and co-conservators (hope I got that right — I went in as a person not a journalist and I did not use a tape recorder)did not want to answer.

    When pressed again stating, “It’s my job. People are going to speculate,” our source was told:

    “Let them speculate.” There was a lot of guessing going on.

    As to Ingham, he is on a bar panel and he was selected from it that the source knows. The source believes he has her best interest at heart but the source seemed intrigued as to polarized views. The source had nothing to say as to Ingham’s reasons for Britney’s repeated absence on court matters pertaining to her. First the source said, well she’s on tour, she’s working.

  773. Amethyst Mine Says:

    p.s. Goetz is GETS and the speculation was that the woman was someone from Britney’s “team.”

  774. Fantasy Says:

    Can one still be Team A and Team B if
    sometimes they are a little indecisive about the
    c-ship? What I said earlier and what Gigi just
    said made me question where I really stand.
    Not that long ago I was for the c-ship.
    Who wasn’t in the beginning? I just wanted Britney alive,safe,and free from Sam.
    Sometimes I do find myself swaying from one side to the other about the c-ship.
    But I still support B&A.

    Bottom line is I just want Britney and Adnan happy
    and someday free from all legal dramaz.
    I’d also like for MT to one day explain the vids
    he posts and I’d also like to know what the heck
    happened to St.Mag, KLM, Doc1955, and the others.
    And who is this Queen B?
    Am I the only one who thinks it’s kinda out of the
    ordinary to suddenly have an attorney posting here? Just kidding.

  775. Fantasy Says:

    Didn’t mean to change the subject and ramble. :)

  776. Fantasy Says:

    So when does the judge decide if Britney can
    testify in court? I was also wondering just
    whose idea was it to hold off on making a decision
    about Australia. The jdg. only or was it suggested
    by attys.? I mean, it wouldn’t have looked too
    good if the jdg. said that Britney can expand the
    tour throughout Europe and Australia but then
    later say no to her testifying in court. It’s 2
    different judges right? Goetz w/the tour expantion. and Bobb w/ the TRO.
    So is Eardley up first then the jdgs. decision?
    Did I get that right?

  777. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Hi, Fantasy. Ok, learning for myself here, as we suspected as “civilians” Bobb and Goetz have different areas of expertise. The two of them being involved and on different issues is normal.

    Funny you mention KLM. I sent her a note today as I too missed her. Maybe she will make an appearance. Dark news and lack of fun doesn’t tend to draw her. JMO. I’ve no idea about Doc other that a well wish from me that she suddenly got a new and captivating job opportunity.

    Steel announced some plans to do her job by day and then join us. Regardless she did announce being suddenly busy and that it was a good thing. I am happy for her. She’s been working a long time on her project and I well understand the distraction of this board. So good for her.

    As for sides, I don’t think there are any hard fast rules. I know where I stand, you know where you stand and if either of us wobble from time to time, ok by me. I don’t run the board. And by the way, I think I too accidentally changed topics today.

    As for Queen B… she’s a little less concise in language than most attorneys I know but that doesn’t mean she isn’t an attorney.

    I don’t know. I guess I am used to not knowing who most people are but going along with it or playing along.

    ok. Which one of us is Brett?! lol

    Tomorrow is the day of judgment on Brit and her ability to testify.

    About Australia. My thinking is that it’s on the record that Camp Spears thought Brit was well enough to do it. It’s on the record. Period.

  778. Amethyst Mine Says:

    It’s great to be able to get more public info but I don’t think the info is always set in right in L.A.

    04/01/2009 Ex-Parte Application (OFR ORDER COMPELLING BRINTNEY JEAN SPEARS TO COMPLY WITH NOTICE TO APPEAR, ETC. )
    Filed by Attorney for Petitioner

    04/01/2009 Opposition Document (TO EXPARTE APPLICATION TO COMPEL APPEARANCE OF CONSERVATEE, ETC. )
    Filed by Attorney for Petitioner

    Los Angeles Superior Court

    Come out come out wherever you are, Steel. I know you love ex-parte proceedings. lol

  779. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Maybe this is part of it too.

    04/01/2009 Ex-Parte Application (FOR ORDER QUASHING SUBPOENA OR IN THE ALTERNATIVE, SHORTENING TIME TO HEAR A MOTION FOR ORDER QUASHING SUBPOENA, ETC. )
    Filed by Attorney for Petitioner

    Wow oh okay

  780. MH Says:

    Ok you got me, I’M BRETT!

    i think the spears camp has been watching this site for a while. jmo

  781. MH Says:

    such conspiracists

  782. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Queen B Says:
    April 18th, 2009 at 11:06 pm

    If it were not for the second hospitalization, the conservatorhsip may never had happended. I’m sure Lutfi must regret his decision now.

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    I’m too pooped to read anything but a couple of posts…My sleuthing abilities have been concentrated on other things of late…

    But I can’t miss an opportunity to express my opinion that just because Lynn says something doesn’t make it true (e.g. remember that book she claimed she was never going to write?)

    Anyways, I still stick by my theory that Lutfi was not the one to trigger the second 5150. I have this hunch that Eardley’s Feb. 08 letter sent Brit into a tizzy (the letter where he warns her that her family is seeking to put her under a conservatorship) and that she stayed up on a Red Bull-fuelled bender for the next three days trying to avoid them “coming to get her.”

    Call me crazy…But I get the feeling that the whole C-ship thing was something that had come up a year earlier, back in Feb. 07 when Brit was shipped off to rehab…back around the time when Dr. Phil was first contacted (watch the interviews with him – he fully admits he was brought in “about a year ago.”) I have a strange hunch that “crazy” and “institution” were words that Brit had been facing for a year before it actually happened.

    Just an opinion, gleaned from too many hours reading seedy gossip sites.

  783. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    Alan Cumming…What a breath of fresh air YOU are!!

  784. Steel_Magnolia Says:

    I’ll try to stop back in some time soon to read the rest of the posts…I’ve been putting my new-found sleuthing skills to work in a real-life situation that will hopefully turn into a happy ending. Trying to help track down a little girl who’s been abducted. Wish me luck. :)

  785. Amethyst Mine Says:

    I am happy for you, Steel.

    —–

    Hope you don’t lose us tomorrow and through May 4th.

    —–

    Happy for you. Dang you btw. I was hoping to let the 5150s and culpability go. enh they wouldn’t haven’t been, but you are a burr in my side as a sleuth.

    I am really happy for you and I hope for the best little girl.

  786. missteacher Says:

    Good Morning all!!! I hope you all have a great day and I look forward to some discussions after the court hearing today. It is today right? Oh yeah and I was just trying to think if who in the world MT was talking about in the cartoon. I just threm any old name out. haha!

  787. Cloud Says:

    Did anyone here actually WATCH “Britney-For The Record”..? Maybe if you have, try watching it again. Time lends other perspectives.

  788. Cloud Says:

    Question .. if no conservators, what next for her? There has to be a balance played out somewhere. What replaces the safety she has now?

  789. Amapola Says:

    “Cloud Says:
    April 21st, 2009 at 9:29 am Question .. if no conservators, what next for her? …”

    Cloud, I have talked about that before.
    There must be som help getting from the family court? They must know the options?
    All people there cant be bad. There must be some honest law persons. I assume they want the best for Britney and her kids.

    One don’t have to be an enemy to dad Spears if one think of the future picture… Its not good that her father have too much power over her life.

    Safety..well she have the money to getting a safety environment without a fathers surveillance.

    IF there is so bad, as the gossip paper said..that she don’t get along with her father/mother/parents, then it must be an antagonism to having some of them in the possion he is now.
    Not good for Britney, not good for the kids. Cant come out any good of it.

    Britney dont have to long for her fathers presents all the time in her life.
    She must get the chance to be a free person, for her own good, and because of the good of her childrens future.

    Its sad that she have been brought up believing that therapy is bad…or silly?

    If her parents, in this case Jamie (2003) get so angry with the thought of she writing a “tell book”, how angry, and without control would he dont felt if she really get someone to talk with?

  790. Queen B Says:

    Here what I think will have after the conservatorship-
    I think Brit will remove from her life/fire anyone who had anything to do with the conservatorship which means that Jamie Spears, Larry Rudolph will be gone.
    I think Brit will start partying like crazy all the time from LA to Las Vegas. Brit has not been able to party on her own for more than a year now and she is going to relish her new freedom.

    I think Brit will hook up with another no talent loser like Kevin Federline who will use her to increase his level of fame and fortune.
    I think that Brit will surround herself with people who do not have her best intersts at heart.
    As a result of all of the above, it will be unlikely that she will ever regain custody of her kids and her career will once again be in a shambles.

    In order to avoid that above fate, I think the conservatorship over the person should be terminated before the conservatorship over the estate. In order for Brit to gain access to all of her money she should be placed on some kind of probationary period. If everything goes well after 6-9 mothns, the entire conservatorship should be dissovled.

  791. Fantasy Says:

    Queen B, what you just said is totally what people
    will expect from Britney which is why I think she
    may do the opposite. There does seem to be a rebellious nature in Britney. Having said that she
    hasn’t been the type to be predictable. So we can
    not really know what she’ll do until she’s allowed
    to do it.
    Britney is smarter than people may think. I think
    that she knows what she’ll still be up against if
    the c-ship terminates. With her past history one
    wrong move and Kevin and Kaplan will have her ass
    back in court so fast her head will spin.

    She gets it now. If Britney decides to remove any
    one who’s been in her life since the c-ship began
    like bodyguards, Brett, the nanny who snitched on
    her,etc…it’s her prerogative. There’s nothing
    wrong with that. As long as they’re replaced with
    people who are of the same good quality as the
    ones before them I think it’s fine.
    Jamie/family is another story. That’s where a
    great therapist will have to help her with the
    feelings that she has or used to have for them.
    I don’t feel like she must have Larry or Adam as
    managers or that she must be under a c-ship and
    her dad has to watch her like a hawk in order for
    her to make good choices. Britney can do that
    herself. The thing is, she has other people making
    decisions for her and she can’t show the court
    that she’s capable of making good decision without
    all of these people in her life.

    Her dad needs to slowly begin giving her more
    freedom to do things like buy groceries, drive to
    the hair salon by herself once a month or whenever. Little things like that.
    If she isn’t allowed to do those simple things
    which I know she can do then the scenario you
    described will come to life.
    “Things are too in control.” Britney saiid that
    in FTR. Do you not see that too?
    I do agree with your last paragraph. It’s something that we’ve talked about before. I like
    your idea. But before that can be done she must be able to do the simple things that we all do.
    A process of preparation for a less dependant life
    should start after the tour ends. And then see how things go from there.

  792. small hands Says:

    Differing opinions. I don’t think she will go back to that. Will she never go out, of course not. I guess I have more faith in her than Queen B does. Do I think she will put legal papers in place so that Jamie Spears will never have that legal power…YES. I would do that too. Sorry, but putting a father who was emotionally, verbally abusive in the past in charge of Britney, the person, was not a good idea in the first place. Just my honest opinion. We can agree to disagree if that is the case.
    I feel as though she’s already been on probation. She’s been a prisoner for over a yr now.

  793. gigi Says:

    The biggest difference is that Brit is in the public eye. Anytime she screws up it is shown over and over and people make more out of it than they should. How many other mothers go partying? Is their party life splashed on every website or newspaper? I dont think so. How many other mothers attempt to get custody or custody taken away? How many times is their custody cases splashed across the rags? Its becuase its her which is a little unfair. Everyone screws up. No one is perfect. She should not be a prisoner in her own home. If the courts think they neeed to control her money then fine but she should be able to have the employees she wants, date who she wants and be friends with who she wants. Learn to be adults and get along with the exspouse. Exspouse is not going away as long there are children involved. Just because of who she is makes this news. Who are we to judge her. Its her life. No I dont like Sam. No I dont like Bret. Yes I do pull for Adnan. Yes I think he is the one that saved her. Yes I want them together. BUT its not my choice. It should be their choice but that choice has been taken away. All she is a robot that dances and sings so that she will be allowed to see her kids when the puppet master says it is allowed.

    Fantasy – Some of us do know one another. Its not been a secret that I have met face to face one of our members here nor that I know one of the ones you metioned. Of the other two I have talked to one on myspace but I dont really know them and have never talked to the other on myspace or facebook but have here. The two I do know are wonderful people. We just care about A & B and think this prisoner thing has gone on long enough.

  794. gigi Says:

    Like I said before some people change with the wind. Some don’t but since most of us would not know the other if we met on the street we have to live with that. The hard part is keeping straight who is supporting who and who is not. Some like A and some don’t. Some like pops and the c-ship, some don’t. I wish it was up to us. We could have hopefully fixed this problem months ago. lol

  795. Queen B Says:

    I would love to see Brit do well after the conservatorship ends but I have a feeling that there maybe trouble ahead for her. If you were held in a confining situation and denied the freedom to do what you want when you want, would not you go at least a litle wild and crazy once you regained control.

    I definitely feel like the conservatorship has irreparably damaged Brit’s relationship with her parents and she may never forgive them. I think that Brit’s problems stem from a desire to have a family of her own unlike the one she had and that is why she married Jason Alexander and Kevin F. She wanted the home, the kids and the husband but unfortunatnely Kevin was not the man she thought he was.

    I think if Brit is able to develop a good team around her, then she will be okay but the world if filled with leeches and opportunists who would like nothing more than to take advantage of her and she has to be aware of that.

    I definitely agree that the process towards eliminating the conservatorship should be gradual with Brit gaining more and more freedom and control over her life but when will it happen. When will the tour end? What if the tour is extended to Asia and Latin America, Brit may well be under Jamie’s control until 2010.

  796. Amethyst Mine Says:

    Sorry to interrupt but this site is loading so slow.

    I figure there might be frequent posts later today after court and it would be great to have a faster loading thread?

    Anyone want to move? Here is a fast loading thread as a suggestion.

    http://www.jfxonline.com/jfxonline/2009/04/21/lufti-hearing-today/#comments

    As for B. I think she also married to escape the authority of her mom, manager, and handlers. I don’t think she’ll go wild without the c-ship, at least not in public. The costs are too high.

    I have a rebel streak as well. I suspect we all do. But I am married, want to be married, like being married, and I don’t take much risk that would threaten my marriage. I don’t have kids but if I did and I had experienced completely loosing them? I would put my more overt rebel ways aside so as not to attract interference by others (Kaplan, Jamie, Lynne, K-Fed, the State, the public — and by the way, Gloria Allred is a demon).

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