Lufti Hearing Today
A hearing this afternoon will determine whether Sam Lufti will be able to contact ex-client Britney Spears anytime in the near future.
RadarOnline reports a judge in Los Angeles Superior Court will hear testimony later today concerning whether the restraining order against Lutfi and attorney Jon Eardley will be made permanent. Spears’ father Jamie had requested the order to prevent the pair from interfering in his daughter’s conservatorship.
Jamie Spears previously succeeded in getting the restraining order against Britney’s former boyfriend Adnan Ghalib extended until 2012.
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April 21st, 2009 at 1:56 pm
I have a question, since Jamie Spears is seeking TROs left and right, why hasn’t that women who trespassed on Britney’s property been served? I would have seeked one the day of the incident.
April 21st, 2009 at 4:27 pm
Because it doesnt serve his purpose to go after them. He is wanting them on people that he does not want in her life. Its not up to her.
April 21st, 2009 at 4:43 pm
I made it over.
The LAPD will handle the intruder.
April 21st, 2009 at 5:20 pm
After these three, theres no one else. It’s done. “Cruise Control”…
April 21st, 2009 at 5:20 pm
gigi Says:
April 21st, 2009 at 4:27 pm Because it doesnt serve his purpose to go after them. He is wanting them on people that he does not want in her life. Its not up to her.
>>>He is wanting them on people that he does not want in her life.
That makes no sense, as I’m sure he wouldn’t want that woman around her.
Ditto LAPD
April 21st, 2009 at 5:25 pm
That may be, Mark, but then there are those growing pesky websites and a few celebrities who taking notice and speaking out. I wonder at the journalists and the stories that might be done.
I wonder that Britney may grab a mike and say a few words. Is it double jeopardy that stops her?
April 21st, 2009 at 5:30 pm
Mh it might not have made sense when I typed it but you understand what I meant. I’m sure pops doesn’t want this person around but I dont see him taking out TROs against her. He only takes them out on certain people. Its the very ones that he knows can and will help her if given the chance.
April 21st, 2009 at 5:31 pm
Yes I wish she could get a mic and say a few words without having to pay for it. If she says too much pops takes the kids.
April 21st, 2009 at 8:21 pm
http://www.okmagazine.com/news/view/13640
April 21st, 2009 at 8:24 pm
Closing arguments April 28th. I can’t believe OK was first on the news.
April 21st, 2009 at 8:24 pm
ok that sounds stupid. Sorry.
April 21st, 2009 at 8:33 pm
http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b119942_no_testifying_in_britneys_future_other.html
April 21st, 2009 at 10:19 pm
Although I dont want Sam back in her life I agree that if she is well enough to sing and dance and remember what she is suppose to be singing and the dance steps then she is well enough to go to court and talk to the judge. This is just plain stupid.
April 21st, 2009 at 11:08 pm
I find it interesting that Bobb did not order a second and independent evaluation as to whether Brit was fit or had the capacity to testify. Bobb basically deferred to Goetz’s 2/08 ruling which has never been modified.
More that a year has passed since Goetz’s original ruling and now is the time for the court to revisit the capacity issue. The court should appoint a psychiatrist to evaluate Brit to ascertain whether she understands the nature of the proceedings. A lot can change and happen in a year.
April 21st, 2009 at 11:42 pm
Goetz’s ruling is 14 months old. Alert the authorities. I joke.
April 22nd, 2009 at 12:21 am
Sorry Queen B. I don’t understand how certain attorneys continue to gamble with a decision made 14 months ago. (sarcasm)
I guess because it’s not gambling: It’s a sure win so far.
April 22nd, 2009 at 12:31 am
Amethyst Mine Says:
April 22nd, 2009 at 12:21 am Sorry Queen B. I don’t understand how certain attorneys continue to gamble with a decision made 14 months ago. (sarcasm)
I guess because it’s not gambling: It’s a sure win so far.
>>>Because there is no one there to stop them….those three are being silenced and supressed for the next 3 years. Once that is done, it can all be done and Daddy can say he set this all up for her and got the “bad guys” out fo her life. If she fails then, he can walk away guilt-free….all pretty sickening to me…..
April 22nd, 2009 at 12:36 am
http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b119942_no_testifying_in_britneys_future_other.html
I am liking the way E! is putting it out there right now…their spin is surely not making Daddy Spears happy. Oh and wasn’t this the outlet that brought us the truth in the very beginning….you know when that fine young man said “the truth has a way of coming out”…..
April 22nd, 2009 at 1:25 am
I was thinking that even if the conservators get the restraining orders against Lutfi/Eardley/Ghalib, it really won’t matter when the conservatorship ends. As of right now, if Adnan contacted Brit and Jamie found out about it, he could call the police but if Brit has her freedom restored and wants to see him, who is going to call the police then-no one. The restraining orders have effect so long as Brit is under a conservatorship.
At the end of the day, if Brit wants these people her in life, Jamie is only postponing the inevitable. In fact, I wonder if Brit could petition the court to throw out the restraining orders once the conservatorhsip is dissovled but by then Ghalib may have already been convicted and sentenced to prison for hitting the process server.
I feel sorry for Adnan because I do not think Brit is worth spending years in prison for. He should have just taken the piece of paper and fought the the TRO in court like everyone else instead of trying to run away.
April 22nd, 2009 at 2:02 am
Well Queen B, could have-would have-should have.
It’s Adnan’s word against Ram’s word. That’s how
it looks to me. None of us were at the scene that
day so why should we believe that things happened
the way Ram says?
Just because he’s a process server?
Give us all one good reason why anyone should just
take his word as if it is so.
Since Adnan’s personal relationship with Britney
came to a close he’s been a gentleman.
He didn’t kiss-and -tell.
He could have done so but didn’t.
Who cares why not. Point is he didn’t.
I think that says a lot about the man.
How many of Britney’s other exes can say that?
As for Adnan’s legal case all I can say is I wish
him luck and hope for the best.
So, Queen B, here’s one last game of what if.
What if Adnan were your client and he went to you
for representation (just play along).
What could you do for him?
How’d you advise him?
What would be the best thing he could do at
this point in the case?
Nitey nite, guys.
April 22nd, 2009 at 8:57 am
Hey guys. I found something you should check out.
I wonder if this is or is similar to what Britney
needs to have done by a psychiatrist or whomever.
It’s called a Capacity Declaration-Conservatorship
Can’t do the link thing so here it is anyway.
http://www.courtinfo.ca.gov/forms/fillable/gc335.pdf
April 22nd, 2009 at 8:59 am
Oh snap! I did it. Cool.
Click on it and tell me what you think later.
April 22nd, 2009 at 11:10 am
Morning. Question. Are they treating Britney like an old person? Seems a majority of c-ship laws in CA are for old people. It’s eye opening.
Get declared once for lack of capacity and it’s permanent? Never scheduled to be reviewed?
Congratulations, Fantasy! I am guessing checkbox B was never filled in. I am guessing that the form I put up a week or so ago was completed, lacks the capacity to give informed medical consent, hence lacks the capacity to understand legal procedures.
April 22nd, 2009 at 11:12 am
Queen B, “He should have just taken the piece of paper and fought the the TRO in court like everyone else instead of trying to run away.”
What makes you think he ran away? Do we know the same Adnan?
April 22nd, 2009 at 11:28 am
I took a look at the Conservatorship Capacity Declaration form and I’m sure any psychiatrist would find now that Brit has capacity. In February 2008, she was a out of it and a mess but as of April 2009, she is aware of what is going on; she knows where she is and she certainly has the ability to communicate effectively.
It seems like conservatorships are more likely to be granted for someone who is elderly than someone who is their 20s like Brit but I’m sure in some cases that it does happen.
In regard to Adnan, to me, the only way to get out of the criminal case is to claim self defense. He could argue that he reasonably believed that he was in imminent danager of being attacked which is why he hit the process server with his car. Adnan can bring up the fact he had been stabbed on a previous occasion and that Ram did not identify himself as a process server and so he was in fear for his life. I do not know if this defense would work.
When I said that Adnan ran away, I meant that it seems like he was trying to avoid a confrontation with Ram when he got in his car and in hindsight that may not have been a good idea. He either should have confronted Ram about why he was hanging around his ex’s apartment building or called the police for help.
April 22nd, 2009 at 11:37 am
Thanks, Queen B. I thought you meant he ran away from defending himself against the TRO.
I personally don’t understand why he didn’t defend himself on that matter but fathom he had a reason beyond my ken. I hope it was not a lack of funds.
April 22nd, 2009 at 11:58 am
Frustrado!
April 22nd, 2009 at 12:18 pm
I would like a video presentation on how it went down in the alley. Visual forensic on RM’s account. I think that would be interesting specially the way he explained it. His statement does not make any sense from the get go. It may seem that he intetionally jumped on the hood to stop him or make him stop. There were recent reports of them having been armed with video cameras. A report of him being half naked from the waste when served the first time. Then Perez Hilton obtaining the exclusive photos. The PR machine at work. And it does not help that Adnan is branded as a paparazzi. The P card, Madonna just recently used hers.
Last week I observed 2 photographers standing on a side walk of a film set on a busy street. Almost half of every car that had something to say was negative. Mostly people are asking who’s filming. Then the get a life or get a real job. The best one was when a car drove by and spat on the photogs. I was standing by the set security when we both saw it and even he was disturbed. I wanted to throw my coffee at the guy. One of the photogs was a really good kid. That’s the way it goes. You have no defense for being a pap.
April 22nd, 2009 at 12:39 pm
Was it Avril Lavigne? Ah, the P card again. I believed you the first time but got a dose in talking with the detective, LAPD.
Did you see how innocently I believed him? Then you came down on me hard. But I watched how easily it happened, Mark.
In other news, what the hell is with the news this morning? No coverage by X17, TMZ, Radaronline, LA Times, Associated Press, on yesterday’s trial.
April 22nd, 2009 at 12:44 pm
p.s. it wasn’t that I was so gullible. People believe what they want to believe and for a moment it was nice to believe in the detective and that he would give our guy a chance.
April 22nd, 2009 at 1:13 pm
No it was not Avril. Just average folks on the street passing by. Detective, LAPD, Trust? LOL! in a fantasy world. This is Los Angeles. Having a retired pd with him to validate his story from a credible character is grand..
I cant wait for Jamie lynn to turn 18. Not sure on how she feels about her sister. But if all of this is going the way it’s going. She will be the one to speak one day about her wonderful family. There’s still hoipe for the truth.
April 22nd, 2009 at 1:17 pm
In order to maybe avoid the conservator’s stance
that Britney is still incapacited and can’t seek
or change attorney or even testify in court, I
think it would be a good idea if Johnny Wright’s
atty. request that before Britney is deposed in August (?) she needs to be mentally evaluated again for this year.
Imo, I think that she should be evaluated every
4 months. Seasonally.
I think Wright is just, like Eardley, assuming
she’s well enough without,for their cases sake,
having new court docs to fall back on.
Make sense or no.
I don’t know or care if Wright’s atty is the one
to request such a thing but someone other than us
needs to bring it to Bobb’s attention before she
is off the case. You know,like, just in case she’s
“forgotten” about it. lol
April 22nd, 2009 at 1:23 pm
Fantasy. The deposition idea will be revisited in August I believe. In other words, there is no change to Britney not testifying in Florida as of now.
Here’s all that’s coming up on the docket in LA
06/05/2009 at 08:30 am in department 9 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
ACCOUNT CURRENT (FIRST ACCT CURRENT)
08/03/2009 at 01:30 pm in department 9 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
REVIEW HEARING
No review until August.
April 22nd, 2009 at 1:30 pm
Well JS should get a restraining order against the woman. It just shows how completely whacked JS is.
One day, one day, I hope something changes.
Jamie Lynn will never speak up for her sister. Her brother hasn’t. Neither has her mother.
April 22nd, 2009 at 1:52 pm
Makes me sad to think how many of her rights were denied on page six.
http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/probate/pdf/PVPcounselreport.pdf
April 22nd, 2009 at 1:53 pm
Jamie-Lynn turned 18 earlier this month.
I don’t think she’ll speak out.
I do think that she, Bryan, and Lynne do know what
is going on. I think they’re all scared of Jamie.
No one wants to tick him off.
Besides, J-L is reportedly working on a country
music cd and wants to be a star again.
Her sister-in-law,Graciella,is also her manager.
April 22nd, 2009 at 1:53 pm
Mark, I was jk’ing about Avril. I am sorry for what happened.
April 22nd, 2009 at 3:01 pm
Jan 21, 2009 (for review, minute order)
Matter is called for hearing for review as to if protective order against taking the deposition of Ms. Spears shall remain in force.
Wallet, Wyle, Wexler and Clay Townsend present.
Counsels are heard. A request to seal (close) is granted and the hearing remains on the record.
The court can not find any change of circumstance to lift the protective order. This hearing is continued to August 3rd. Mr. Townsend shall file and serve authority to support his position for not later than. Replies shall be served and filed not later than July 27, 2009. This record is ordered sealed.
(At this point Mr. Townsend was excluded, the other attorneys stayed and the record was sealed.)
Mr. Townsend returns for the proceedings and additional issues are addressed. The record is ordered unsealed.
(so you see, he did try)
Jan 21, 2009 same day as the phone call.
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/ak03rk16.pdf
April 22nd, 2009 at 3:06 pm
I think an actual video is a great idea because I dont believe Ram for one minute. The press and JS has been after A for a long time. The P-card does hurt his chances. Most people dont care for the paps but most people have not put the work into this like some of us have. It took a while to school us and for us to understand. The ones doing the name calling and spitting are idiots. I have no doubt that Ram had a deal with Perez for those shots to show up there.
April 22nd, 2009 at 4:01 pm
MH. You are an expert at news links. Is something wrong with my computer? Are X17, TMZ, the LA Times and the AP not reporting or late with reporting?
I tried google, yahoo, etc., and the LA Times which tends to run a little late anyhow.
April 22nd, 2009 at 4:30 pm
Thanks to BH’er joeylibcam
http://www.eonline.com/videos/v20442168001_Britney_s_Blogger_Under_Fire.html
I had to click twice to get it to work.
April 22nd, 2009 at 4:33 pm
Doh! I mean I had to open two tabs.
April 22nd, 2009 at 4:52 pm
You guys have seen enough footage of celebrities driving away from packs of photogs blocking the way in alleys. RM claims that he bounced off of something and landed him on his hood. How about trying to stop the car so he can finish his job and throwing himself on to the hood hoping to stop the driving. Don’t mean to go back to AG but the Briney court saga is on ice. Only a miracle now, sorry.
The woman in Britneys property would be considered a stalker. Restraining order with other celebs would not even be in question. She’s no threat, not like the other three.
Yes, Britney did say her sister is in her own world. With the personality of the family, you can hope.
April 22nd, 2009 at 4:59 pm
I don’t know AM…maybe cause nothing was resolved and they’re waiting for a final ruling before “reporting” on it…I think people are bored with the sam lutfi stuff. maybe camp spears got to them, who knows, i kinda doubt it. is camp sears as powerful as everyone here thinks it is, who knows.
i’m more interested in what’s gonna happen with adnan. as far as we know, he never called the cops…so at minimum it’s hit and run, regardless of how it went down, right? i’d really like to see the tape. i see adnan as an old school type of guy, hence not calling the cops. i think he’s made some mistakes. but who knows what’s really behind some of the choices he’s made. i think the whole thing sucks.
April 22nd, 2009 at 5:09 pm
At this point, Mark, there’s only two people I do want to discuss. AG and B’s capacity independently.
I am grateful you are talking.
April 22nd, 2009 at 5:12 pm
MH. Britney is headline news no matter who is involved. You know me, I am the paranoid one, but I think in a healthy way in this matter. Constant questioning.
There’s no way anyone is waiting until April 28th to report on Britney Spears. ok here’s my paranoia. Yesterday was kind of a big deal for those in the know: capacity hasn’t been revisited since Feb 2008?
And yeh, I am scared for AG. Mark, what’s on the grapevine?
April 22nd, 2009 at 5:19 pm
sour grapes.
April 22nd, 2009 at 5:43 pm
Yes AM me too. I hate that it has come to this. AG has been hung out to dry and he is not the bad guy. Its a screwed up system for sure. It still makes me mad when I start thinking about it. This is why so many people look the other way when they see things happening that they know is wrong. They wont get involved because it usually comes back to bite them in the ass. AG couldn’t look the other way and now it seems it has come back to haunt him.
Great to see you Mark. Tell AG we are pulling for him.
April 22nd, 2009 at 5:56 pm
Spears pregnant? PR machine? Does Seacrest really carry more bearing than other celebrity news centers?
Still nothing from X, T, the Times, and the AP.
MH. Yesterday was news. I really don’t want to call the AP again, but then I could verify the omission of Blair Berk and the Britney tape.
f! I would rather lay unnoticed like gravel.
April 22nd, 2009 at 6:00 pm
What really bothers me is that Sam Lutfi was accused of the exact same thing Adnan was accused -hitting a process server with a car- but Adnan was charged with three felonies and nothing happened to Lutfi. Now in Lutfi’s case the process server was not physically injured but he still damaged someone else’s car and got away with it.
In addition, I bet you Lutfi called Adnan about what they could do to get Brit out of the conservatorship and but for that Jamie would not have gotten a restraining order against Adnan. Furthermore, Lutfi tried to make it seem like he did not have any direct contact with Brit and that all his communications were through Adnan; he essentially threw Adnan under the bus. Lutfi will do anything to save his own skin.
I honestly believe that the Spears family does not have a real problem with Adnan except that they fear he is working with Lutfi.
I really do not believe that conservatorship will be lifted until 2010 so Brit is looking at another 7 months of control which I know she must hate. She might be afraid she will loose her increased visitation if there is no conservatorship but that is a chance she will have to take.
April 22nd, 2009 at 6:07 pm
Why 2010 Queen B?
Do you really think Jamie will “let her go”.
Or just let her petition to end it unlike now.
April 22nd, 2009 at 6:09 pm
>>>>I honestly believe that the Spears family does not have a real problem with Adnan except that they fear he is working with Lutfi.
they (jamie and camp) don’t want adnan around with or without lutfi. no way.
yeah, 2010.
April 22nd, 2009 at 6:15 pm
page six of the form I put up earlier.
c)to consent or withhold (marriage or domestic partnership)
Circle withhold, check DENY
g) conservatee’s right to control his or her own social and sexual contacts and relationships
Grant, Deny, Modify
DENY
April 22nd, 2009 at 6:50 pm
Here is what we know- we know that the conservatorship will certainly continue throughout the tour. The UK leg of Brit’s tour starts in June. Assuming the conservator’s request to expand the tour is granted, I can easily see Brit touring Europe/Australia during July/Aug possibly Sept. Once the tour is over, the court will likely hold hearings and will hopefully re-evaulate the necessity for the conservatorship.
I really do not see Jamie ending the conservatorship so Brit through Ingham will have to make a motion. Once the motion is made, the court will ask a psychiatrist to evaluate Brit and submit a report and may even call other witnesses so you can see that this process can last from late 2009 to early 2010 and if Jamie contests the motion they could well be some kind of trial.
If Jamie/Co. really hated Adnan they would have a gotten a TRO against him last year but why would they? Lynne’s used Adnan’s own words to get a TRO against Lutfi. Adnan helped Lynne and Jamie. In addition, when Brit was hospitalized for the second time, Lynne and Adnan drove to UCLA in the same car. Furthermore, I even remember Adnan being allowing into Brit’s gated community after the conservatorship. While Lynne and Jamie may not have liked Adnan, they certainly did not see him iniitally as some kind of threat to their daughter.
April 22nd, 2009 at 7:01 pm
Queen B. Ingham said he would talk to Britney about giving up her rights to a trial by jury. He did. She did.
The language is interesting in some of this lack of appearance by Britney, e.g. it being best that she not be there due to potential for harm to “Britney and/or her resources.”
Resources?
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d) the right of conservatee to contract
Grant, Deny, Modify
DENY
A number of us have looked at the rights of the conservatee, and maybe we rested easier in the belief as to marry etc., but here are blank spaces to check and modify.
DENY
April 22nd, 2009 at 7:37 pm
AM, after more than a year of sleuthing in public, not one person has grabbed the story and run with it. Maybe your efforts would be better served calling investigative reporters etc, rather than continuing to do what hasn’t worked. I know (I believe) people are reading, but it’s not amounting to anything substantial. I don’t think an investigative reporter getting involved would fix the situation, but it would keep the spot light on and maybe that would help to end this sooner.
I find it hard to judge when I’ve only seen one side, or just a sliver of one side. I believe what comes from jfx and others, but it’s just one side. We’ve not seen medical records, court records, etc. I think there are many, many sides to this story.
Someone once said…EVERYONE is lying.
April 22nd, 2009 at 7:40 pm
It’s official. X17 isn’t carrying the story. TMZ hasn’t. Nor the others.
MT, perspective?
I believe you’d rather talk about AG. What can we do to help between now and May 4?
April 22nd, 2009 at 7:40 pm
What I really want to know is what happened to the dogs.
April 22nd, 2009 at 7:44 pm
Ronnie hasn’t chimed in for while…
April 22nd, 2009 at 8:02 pm
Let’s bug him. Ronnie! Awake!
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I’d like to know what happened to the dogs too. C’mon MT. Tell us about the dogs, please.
April 22nd, 2009 at 9:37 pm
Hello everyone.
April 22nd, 2009 at 9:50 pm
Jordan on E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxGEbJv3f5E
yawn.
April 22nd, 2009 at 9:51 pm
Yay…Hi Ronnie
April 22nd, 2009 at 11:18 pm
hey Ronnie!! Long time no see. We miss you!!
April 22nd, 2009 at 11:18 pm
Hi, Ronnie! So very nice to see you.
wave
April 23rd, 2009 at 3:52 am
hola todos!
Vuelvo pronto!
hasta mañana.
April 23rd, 2009 at 10:27 am
Hey KLM. Nice to see you too even if you were up in the middle of the night. We miss you too.
April 23rd, 2009 at 10:49 am
Queen B. To your knowledge is there any way that
one or any of the charges against Adnan can be
reduced to a misdemeanor. If so which one.
April 23rd, 2009 at 11:01 am
I don’t mean to pry or get in his business.
I was just thinking that maybe the battery charge
is the least serious one.
April 23rd, 2009 at 11:52 am
Hey everyone. Good to see everyone is still here and doing well.
April 23rd, 2009 at 12:03 pm
I think that because Ram was physically injured, I do not think the charges can be downgraded to a misdemeanor unless Adnan makes a plea deal which could happen. I remember a couple years ago, Halle Berry hit some woman in another car in West Hollywood and left the scene. Instead of being charged with a felony hit and run she pled to a lesser misdemeanor charge of leaving the scene of an accident.
If Ram was in a car and Adnan hit his car, the charges would not be as severe but hitting someone who is not in a car with a car looks a lot worse hence the three felony charges.
April 23rd, 2009 at 12:22 pm
Yesterday I got one Google Alert. It was the first I remember since near April 1st. I am sure it’s a coincidence and that something is up.
Meanwhile, the AP has many clients. Because the story did not run, the story was contained to the United States, I believe (e.g. nothing in Australia or Europe). I wonder that Cloud and Ama might confirm there’s been nothing in the local papers in the past 48 hours about Brit’s lack of capacity based on a ruling from 14 months ago.
Murdock joined the board of the Associated Press last year. Neither here nor there I suppose. I didn’t realize Google had such a tight relationship with the AP.
‘”At the NAA conference, the Associated Press waded into the debate and said it would protect online versions of its content from so called “misappropriation” by a variety of online news outlets.
“We can no longer stand by and watch others walk off with our work,” said AP chairman Dean Singleton.
At the NAA, Mr Schmidt addressed the AP move with some bewilderment.
“At Google we have a multi-million dollar deal with AP so I was a little confused by all of the excitement in the news in the last 24 hours.
” I’m not sure what they are referring to. We have a very, very successful deal with AP and hope that will continue for many, many years.”‘
The article has nothing to do with A or B, but establishes how news works.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7988561.stm
April 23rd, 2009 at 1:01 pm
Refreshing old post for QB. Adnan was a tool to Lynn, Jamie and for the FTR. Oh by the way, can you sign here and sign there. When he was no longer needed he also received the same speech and treatment that Jordan got. Turn around, go away or we’ll destroy you.
No plea. It’s not an option. They will not give him that. It’s a witch hunt remember.
By the way, they fear Adnan because he holds her heart and she holds his. that’s is dangerous in their business of conservators.
This is how this boy got himself in trouble. She kept hoping and hoping and being kept in the dark. You say Ingham speaks for Britney? Through the grapevine, she had no clue people were even going to court on her behalf. She gets the tid bits right after everything is said and done. Then the girl celebrate because someone had lied to her. Then someone had informed her the truth. Then the phones had to go. “It’s plain and simple” but everyone is busy with distarctions. Say what you like and play the complications. Simplicity is where the asnwer is at.
I’m not here to knock on anyone’s religious beliefs. I’m just not a fan of people using it as a shield pretending to be the faithful and the righteous.
And St.mag is right about the Spears camp with their plot of the conservatorship long before any of the craziness.
There are lots of things floating around out there. “ALOT”… The problem with these people is that they are shopping around trying to make money instead of shoving these things in a brown Manila folder and ship it to everyone. I mean everyone. Tabloids, mainstream media smalltown papers the internet, whatever. Lets see how everyone feels about buying the next ticket to one of her tour dates. Forget about the money and just do the right thing.
The TRO is a joke. The judge wont even hear what the defense have on the table no matter the credibility. It’s a freeging Fraternity. The TRO should be dropped if the person itself will not testify. Shoot even Bill Clinton could not get out of his own doing and he was the president, LOL!
April 23rd, 2009 at 1:04 pm
Oh and QB, you’re right about Adnan being thrown under the bus. Who hasn’t, LOL!
April 23rd, 2009 at 1:31 pm
Thanks Mark. I just wish there was some way for Adnan to dodge the bus that is coming. How can one man or group of people have that much power and control one little person. It should not be allowed but I see that it is allowed.
April 23rd, 2009 at 1:33 pm
Mark,
Here we go again…
If you’ve heard things and think other’s should spill, why don’t you?
April 23rd, 2009 at 2:04 pm
Did he ask us to spill? I must have missed that somewhere.
April 23rd, 2009 at 2:18 pm
I second, MH. If I were to do a story or Steel to document a story, something like that, who would be our primary source?
JFX won’t or can’t say anything. AG can’t or won’t say anything.
MT, I have done so much volunteer work in the past that there’s a joke I’ll take a job so long as it’s pro bono. I realize I’m just a “kid” so to speak but why not pass that envelope through channels?
I somehow don’t think quoting “per Mark Twain, a mystery poster at JFXonline…” It could work if there were compelling enough information or sources otherwise.
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ok, I know I am the only one following this but Reuters didn’t carry the story either. No AP, no Reuters, no MTV, no chance to scrutinize a ruling based on capacity assessed 14 months ago for a trial last Tuesday. I’d like to understand how media effects courtroom decisions and I’d like to understand what makes news…when it comes to Camp Spears.
Pity that Reuters left out the part where Adnan did not have a lawyer nor did he appear in court to defend himself. Their coverage just made him guilty.
April 23rd, 2009 at 2:23 pm
p.s. Mark, it worries me the number of inside sources or people who were afraid to use their name, I have had in my past two articles. I carried it off though because I had very strong sources otherwise.
In both instances, the sources were afraid of losing their jobs. One guy panicked that someone would detect some phrase he had used with me. He was so freaked out that in the end, that I decided not to use him at all. He words, experience and suspicion would have added color and flavor but I didn’t have the heart, and his stress stressed me.
April 23rd, 2009 at 3:10 pm
Many many people knows whats going on. The only thing worst about this is that it’s not a big secret. It’s why that kid Jordan was sucked up in it. It was just too much for him to ignore. And now look where it has gotten him. You see, it’s best to leave it alone. Boycott the the shows. If Jordan was such a real fan, he should have started a movement to do the reverse instead of cheering on the show. Or was he afraid of loosing his own fans?
I warned you guys. You have to accept Adnan faith. It’s just the way it is. It was destined from the start. Meanwhile, the otherside is waiting for Britney to develop the Stockholm syndrome with her dad nad family. Sure lookslike it.
What I’m about to say might anger you guys but “it’s best to leave things be”. With these people anyone outside their interest are expendible. Their excuse for what they do is that they asked you nicely to turn around and forget about everything or else.
Just wondering if anything goes wrong with Britney that these folks will blame it on her mental health. What a great out.
April 23rd, 2009 at 3:12 pm
Just the words “the audio tape emerged at a site owned by the paparazzi agency JFXOnline.” They are friends of Ghalib..vowing to never sell out their friend or exchange favors etc.
That’s all anybody had to say.
Instead we’re relying on media who says, “According to UsMagazine.com, Jamie Spears’ lawyer, Blair Berk, also discussed a widely distributed voicemail that recently surfaced online in which someone claiming to be Britney asks for help getting out from under her father’s control. Berk claimed that the tape sounded as if it had been edited and that she doesn’t believe it is Britney speaking.” MTV
They used the AP for most of the story.
I’ve given up on some reporter showing up here to carry the story or do any investigation whatsoever.
MT. I have press credentials through December and beyond. Surely there is some way to put them to use. It’s a matter of when and where I write, not if. Excuse me while I track down some folks at MTV. Ten years of recruiting, in what was once a brutal market, serves me well.
April 23rd, 2009 at 3:33 pm
I was wondering if Brit feels about what has happened to Adnan and does she even care. Here was a man who had a pretty good life before hooking up Brit and since that time he has had a TRO levied against him; he can’t own a firearm and he is facing three felony charges all because he decided to become a part of Brit’s life.
I feel that Brit is partly responsible for what has happened to him. I think it would be great if Brit paid for Adnan’s legal fees but since she does not have control over her money that is not going to happen but that is the least she could do since Adnan was really good to her and treated her respect unlike Lutfi.
I can’t wait til the courts hold Lutfi accountable for his actions. Adnan should not be the only one who has to suffer.
April 23rd, 2009 at 3:54 pm
Is there more than one person writing under the name MT or have you had a change of heart or just what…first you want people to do the right thing over money and two hours later it’s best to leave things alone.
If you want all types of media to be given folders then give what you’ve got. If you think things are best left alone then why post here anymore.
MARK TWAIN Says:
April 23rd, 2009 at 1:01 pm
There are lots of things floating around out there. “ALOT”… The problem with these people is that they are shopping around trying to make money instead of shoving these things in a brown Manila folder and ship it to everyone. I mean everyone. Tabloids, mainstream media smalltown papers the internet, whatever. Lets see how everyone feels about buying the next ticket to one of her tour dates. Forget about the money and just do the right thing.
MARK TWAIN Says:
April 23rd, 2009 at 3:10 pm
What I’m about to say might anger you guys but “it’s best to leave things be”. With these people anyone outside their interest are expendible. Their excuse for what they do is that they asked you nicely to turn around and forget about everything or else.
April 23rd, 2009 at 4:00 pm
AM and SM,
Maybe you guys could pool your notes, timelines, facts, legal papers, etc…and send them around to whoever you think best. Otherwise, what’s the point here.
April 23rd, 2009 at 4:03 pm
Queen B, you wonder if Britney feels badly about
what’s happened to Adnan. I often wonder if she
knows what happened. Like what spin did her people
put on what occured.
I can’t explain why I’ve been going back and forth
about the c-ship. I feel like Jamie IS abusing his
role as conservator. Wallet too. And PVP Ingham.
Her outburts at concerts, the pink and black wig
character that surfaced in her shows a few weeks
ago just made me think that she could either be
regressing or simply rebelling.
This is like a made for tv movie that is based on
a true story. Bizarre and fascinating. I thought
that if Britney could petition to change PVP and
have her dad removed things would be better. But
I don’t think so. We are just people who see something wrong going on and are trying to figure things out and/or help. MT is right. Accept AG’s
fate and leave the rest of this stuff alone.
April 23rd, 2009 at 4:05 pm
Mark, I’ve never been afraid to put my neck out there, and Jamie would be dealing with the wrong girl.
There’s nothing wrong with telling the truth.
Pass the envelope and why not include that folder on Jane?
Leave JFX out of it. Set up a hushmail or if that’s too much I’ll post a safe address here through school. Something like care of Department of English/Journalism.
For a year and half now you’ve called for the media and it hasn’t come.
A risk is also an opportunity, Mark.
Why can’t some of us be part of Adnan’s faith? This email is documentation of a journalist getting a story. Nothing illegal to it and my motive is not about profit. I think when a person follows a passion money follows anyway at some point. Not today.
April 23rd, 2009 at 4:09 pm
p.s. Brit’s here tomorrow. I have no plans to go and no response from the AZ Republic. It was a fluff article anyway by the journalist. Looks like he received a press pack.
April 23rd, 2009 at 4:13 pm
Sorry for sounding pessimistic.
April 23rd, 2009 at 4:14 pm
MT, there is something to be said for irrefutable sources.
What if SM and I pooled our notes? It would be a book, nothing that could fly across the globe to help our friend by May 4th.
MH Says:
April 23rd, 2009 at 3:54 pm
Is there more than one person writing under the name MT or have you had a change of heart or just what…first you want people to do the right thing over money and two hours later it’s best to leave things alone.
If you want all types of media to be given folders then give what you’ve got. If you think things are best left alone then why post here anymore.
April 23rd, 2009 at 4:16 pm
MH, I don’t think Mark anticipated a volunteer.
I’ve seen our guys put down their cameras to do the right thing, help out their friends or people in need.
like knows like
April 23rd, 2009 at 4:18 pm
Fantasy. I don’t think she broke out a pink wig did she?
Also, imagine all the work of getting her hair done, fluffed out etc. — much faster to put on a wig. She hates sitting in that chair.
April 23rd, 2009 at 4:18 pm
http://perezhilton.com/2009-04-23-britney-will-not-be-testifying-against-osama-lutfi
April 23rd, 2009 at 4:22 pm
Amethyst,lol. Funny.
There was a character in the show wearing “Pinky”.
I believe she wore a black bob wig when singing
in the black and nude-like costume.
Freakshow or Touch of my hand.
April 23rd, 2009 at 4:23 pm
I don’t think MT will take you up on your offer, AM. I would be happy if you proved me wrong, Mark. Or should things just be left alone.
April 23rd, 2009 at 4:25 pm
I recall the black bob one time when ‘Do somethin’
was playing. I’ll have to check a fan site to make
sure it was during those particular songs and for
the locations and dates.
April 23rd, 2009 at 4:34 pm
All growl, Mark?
April 23rd, 2009 at 4:45 pm
The wigs, white and black, were worn during at
least 3 shows between 3/30 and 4/2 when singing
Freakshow. Wasn’t that when people were asking
where are the babies? Wasn’t Jamie supposedly out
in California and not watching Britney?
Don’t know if people are interested in wigs or no.
April 23rd, 2009 at 4:49 pm
Gonna go buy dinner. Be back later.
April 23rd, 2009 at 5:03 pm
I prefer an olio, Fantasy plus you say interesting things. Yes. The wigs I think were during the where are the babies watch.
People are so funny. Some freaked that she was wearing a hat at times. I love the damn hats. They are pre c-ship Britney and her own thing.
April 23rd, 2009 at 6:30 pm
# Fantasy Says:
April 23rd, 2009 at 4:49 pm
Gonna go buy dinner. Be back later.
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Pass the Tapatio.
April 23rd, 2009 at 6:37 pm
I hereby authorize JFX to give, to the identity known as Mark Twain, my contact information, should Twain ask.
I do not work for JFX. I have never talked to JFX outside of very limited one sided email from me. I have never met anyone from JFX.
I will never wear a wig black, pink or otherwise.
Pass the Tapatio.
April 23rd, 2009 at 6:39 pm
It’s best be sitting in the middle of the street free from falling debris.
April 23rd, 2009 at 7:25 pm
ha i’m over it. see ya when addy goes to court.
April 23rd, 2009 at 7:38 pm
You sit in the middle then, and pass me the baton.
I’m not the fastest sprinter but am good at endurance just like my dad.
April 23rd, 2009 at 10:09 pm
MT–I am happy to hear from you. I’ve been riding the Britney bus for yrs now, way before she ever married K-fed. I’ve always had certain opinions about her father, and still have them. I have done a 180 on Lynn and that is all I will say.
I believe plans for a c-ship happened before it actually took place. Call me crazy, but I believe it happened during a meeting her parents had with Kaplan at Kevin’s house in late 2007. Kaplan’s sole purpose was to get Kevin sole, physical custody of the boys…and boy did he. Just my opinion.
Have a good night all
April 23rd, 2009 at 10:44 pm
MT. I understand the P card. I have been a good student.
I have press credentials. He won’t come after me. I have more resources and more money than Jordan.
I don’t have deep pockets but am resourceful. And I know how to broadcast.
April 23rd, 2009 at 11:05 pm
Don’t let him wash away, Mark.
I will take the risks.
April 24th, 2009 at 9:37 am
Chin up Adnan. I still believe in you.
April 24th, 2009 at 11:21 am
This tour needs to stop-
I just found an article that reviewed Brit’s show in the Bay Area recently and it was really sad. Here are few quotes that caught my attention-
“the beleaguered 27-year-old tabloid pet was the least interesting part of the show – a wobbly figure making very little effort to lip-sync along to the mediocre songs from her most recent releases ”
“She may have made a decent album, but on Wednesday, it was hard not to look past the gleaming blond extensions and meticulous dance routines to see the same broken, bald-headed girl that just two years ago was smashing car windows with an umbrella”
“While Spears may have lost her children, sanity and personal freedom – her father, Jamie Spears, was granted legal conservatorship over her last year – she still has a thriving career”
“as much as you want to join the masses and root her on for the bad lip-synching, it’s hard to put aside the feeling that Spears shouldn’t be paraded around like this just to make everyone involved a tidy profit, that maybe she would be better off at home with her two boys, eating a bowl of cereal and watching “The Princess Diaries.”
http:// http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/04/23/DDB8177OLM.DTL
How can the Brit fans support this tour knowing that being on the stage is the last place she needs. Doing this tour only puts more more in Jamie’s pockets.
April 24th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
Thats probably where she wants to be. At home with her kids and not being paraded around like a monkey for all to see
April 24th, 2009 at 12:19 pm
Hi Queen B.
Britney’s heart isn’t in it.
She should be in a therapist office not on a stage
4-5 nights a week. I can’t remember who here said
it but Britney’s been rehabilitated back into the
work force. To her team that’s #1.
Whatever else is the problem has been put on the
back burner. It is sad to watch.
It’s her personal and family life that’s in need
of resuscitation. The work could’ve waited.
But the choice wasn’t mine to make.
However, I’m proud, in a way, that she’s made it
this far into the tour.
Concert #30 is tonight.
BTW. Your last sentence was right on the money.
No pun intended.
April 24th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
Another thing.
I wouldn’t blame the fans.
I’d blame Larry, Jamie, Jive/Zomba, etc.
In FTR they tried to make it seem like it was
just a way to keep her busy. Let her record and be
in her element. Jamie said he likes to go fishin’.
Britney likes to sing and dance.
But where’s her Doctor’s.
Did they have any input? No one said wait a
minute fellas…
I’m stressing real therapy for her not just meds.
She only seems to cope by dancing.
She has to learn other ways of dealing with pain.
Again. It’s sad. No real friends.
Shady employess, family members and business types
misleading her. Lying. She has no way out.
I guess she leans on motherhood and dance to get
through everyday.
April 24th, 2009 at 1:23 pm
http://www.tmz.com/2009/04/23/britney-weaves-it-all-on-stage
Mean.
What’up strawberry? You used to be first in courtroom news.
April 24th, 2009 at 2:22 pm
In case you missed Madonna’s p-card play.
http://www.tmz.com/2009/04/18/madonna-injured-horseback-riding/
http://www.tmz.com/2009/04/20/police-report-casts-doubt-on-madonnas-story/
April 24th, 2009 at 2:24 pm
http://www.tmz.com/2009/04/20/pap-calls-madonnas-camp-liars/
April 24th, 2009 at 2:58 pm
http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/article/hairy tour problems for britney_1101557
April 24th, 2009 at 5:08 pm
We may as well learn together. Hope this information is at least a little helpful.
I spoke to a deputy officer at the LA Superior Court Public Affairs office. This is what she told me.
That the hearing April 21st was closed and held in judge’s chambers. There were a number of new people who chose not to be identified.
Public affairs gets to ask who are you and arrivals get to say no thanks. Hence their names do not become public record.
Asked how E!, OK and People might have dug up their story? She said they may have talked to the attorneys involved.
That makes it interesting as some media carried a direct quote from Judge Bobb. It also makes the following stories more interesting from a strategy point and alliance.
Steel, I wish you were around. I miss your sarcasm.
http://www.okmagazine.com/news/view/13640 (they had the first article up that I could find through Google)
http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b119942_no_testifying_in_britneys_future_other.html
April 24th, 2009 at 5:11 pm
I should have said cheek. Cheekiness. You are missed.
April 24th, 2009 at 5:21 pm
I guess Europe is a go. Britney’s going to tour in
Dublin, Ireland in June when she’s done with the
UK dates. Weird. I feel lied to, you know. I’m so
naive sometimes.
Question. Why new attorneys/people? Wasn’t Jamie
upset that Trope&Trope’s bill was so high and
there were an excessive amount of attys. present
in court when not necessary.
Why repeat that?
April 24th, 2009 at 5:55 pm
Where did you hear that, Fantasy? What new attorneys?
April 24th, 2009 at 6:21 pm
Where did I hear about Ireland? From JM at BH.
Quote. “There were a number of new people who
chose not to be identified.”
I was talking about that. I assumed the new peeps
where probably extra attorneys new to attending
the hearing. Excuse the mix up.
It’s not that I care about the tour going to extra
countries overseas. It was that I thought the
lawyers and judge would wait longer to decide.
Wasn’t it less than 2 weeks ago the judge said
it would depend on the economy? And today a new
European date is announced.
April 24th, 2009 at 6:22 pm
I was quoting what you wrote, not JM.
April 24th, 2009 at 6:24 pm
Britney is the way she is because of the c-ship not her mental issues. Information being slipped to her when she’s not being watch when out in public are devastating news to her. Knowing that her last hope of actual people trying to help her get out of the c-ship are being shot down. She’s enjoying the tour to keep her busy and her thoughs positive. It’s her only true freedom and out. It’s a consilation more than anything. A trade would be even a better word but the split is un even. Even touring and adancing is no longer joyful when all you can think about is that groundhog day will never come. She’s strong but only the will to keep fighting and playing the role for her boys. When that will runs out, lets see who will take responsibility.
April 24th, 2009 at 7:00 pm
I was thinking that if Brit fans really wanted to help Brit and end the conservatorship, they should not see her show and boycott the tour. By going to the tour, you are not supporting Brit but rather the conservatorship that is controlling her. By buying tickets, Jamie/Co. can justify keeping this poor girl on the road for weeks to come.
Brit clearly is not happy. She does not want to be on stage and is just going through the motions. I wonder if her lacklust performances is her way of rebelling. The reason why Brit will finish this tour as opposed to the Onyx tour is that Brit was totally into the Onyx tour mentally and physically but on this tour, she is not giving the performances 100%. Brit was always known as a great dancer and her dancing is not up to par.
I think that Brit fans should stay home and save their money until the real Brit comes back.
April 24th, 2009 at 7:01 pm
Fantasy. Sorry if you misunderstood. I am not an expert. New people to me means people they haven’t seen before such as witnesses.
MT. That makes sense. At least on tour she is surrounded by people more alike in spirit, i.e., dancers, artists, interesting conversation if she is allowed.
I’ve lost interest with MTV. They have spin artists more than reporters. I haven’t lost interest in one glimmer of hope. Capacity.
btb, the woman at the PA office superior court, real beeze. I know her function and purpose. Guard. Still I got a little something from her.
MT, I doubt you looked at the links but one quotes mainly prosecution and the other mainly defense. You know you’re the one who got me looking at media blitz beyond my own hunch.
Just a small reminder but TMZ had plans to film live from court. Their interest then lack of coverage is…is what Mark?
April 24th, 2009 at 7:04 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
May 14th, 2008 at 10:46 pm
Steel, the man behind the curtain at Oz.
Steel_Magnolia Says:
May 14th, 2008 at 10:52 pm
Oh, okay…LOL
I always thought that was the folks at Jive!
Steel_Magnolia Says:
May 14th, 2008 at 10:57 pm
Seriously, though…I think you’re probably talking about smoke and mirrors in a different context. (By Jive, I mean the “image makers.” And in this case, you mean the “image breakers.”)
I guess one way to find out who the puny man is is to follow the $$ trail. Who has the biggest $$ in their eyes?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
The more things change, the more they stay the same. LOL
If there isn’t some kind of sunlight shone on this by May 14, 2009…Then, then…
I don’t know. But I’ll think of something.
April 24th, 2009 at 7:13 pm
Cheek? I really missed you. I hate myself but that’s the way of it. Damn.
April 24th, 2009 at 7:26 pm
Queen B, let’s not under estimate the girl. She has beaten her security in motion for over a year till it’s been really tightened. She’s nn rock. She’s using what’s available for her within reach. The dancers? Desperation will make you do just about anything in reason. Dont think for one minute the girl will not use what she has left to get what she needs done. Manipulation? Britney herself? Don’t worry about her getting her ‘Fuck You’s’ to her dad and handlers. Her handlers making a million dollare bet claiming that the show will go on. What arrogance and we thank them for that so we get to peak at their personalities. She knows how to play the game. Buy she also knows that they hold her children hostage. Baby steps then walk and maybe one day, run. But your on your own now. You’ll have to find away for your groundhog day. Stay strong.
April 24th, 2009 at 8:15 pm
Stay strong, Britney.
I just hung up with Michael Amerian, city prosecutor, Los Angeles.
I won’t filter what he said (but I would love to cheer).
Jamie was never on the stand when he said no he wouldn’t let Britney testify. Apparently that was not part of the proceedings.
Amerian says that the last thing you would want to do is to put someone else on the stand to say that the defendant doesn’t want to come and testify. It effects the jury. You want the defendant to say it.
Spears never had to appear in court on a misdemeanor. She could have showed up and said, no I am not interested in testifying. By law she was never required to appear.
Amerian says that he does trust Flanagan. That Flanagan would say different things to the media v. what actually went on in court.
I have paraphrased all.
Capacity was never explicitly raised. It was referred tangentiality (sp?), and referred to when talking about a continuance (until Brit had her life together etc.) My understanding is that Flanagan did not ask for a continuance until that time.
Amerian has no regrets as to how he tried the case. It was never officially proven that Spears did not have the mental capacity to come into court. It was alluded to by defense but never proven. Spears’ capacity was never officially stated nor proven in the court case.
In short, Amerian was a gentleman (my call) and chivalrous even.
The foreman of the jury volunteered later on Amerian’s campaign (google it). He said the jurors who excused Britney Spears believed they were going to get to meet her. (wonder who planted that? if so) I could contact the foreman…
As for Amerian he had a difficult spot. All of this colleagues, i.e. defense attorneys, congratulated him for not backing down. Amerian reiterates and is believable and not nasty when he says that he treated Spears like anyone else on this charge.
Say what you want, but look at how Camp Spears plays. “No” said Jamie Spears as to his daughter taking the stand.
It is not, per Amerian, in any of the court documents or proceedings.
As an aside, transcripts of the case may be purchased by the public. It is a long process as everything remains with the court reporter.
Steel? Alright alright, I do need you. There’s little fun without you on these matters.
April 24th, 2009 at 8:16 pm
Correction: Amerian says that he does NOT trust Flanagan, Britney’s attorney. That Flanagan would say different things to the media v. what actually went on in court.
April 24th, 2009 at 8:27 pm
Alright alright, Steel. I make more progress with you (was there ever a doubt? lack of credit?) and there’s no one that shares the adrenalin quite like you do.
Saying fun was flip and conservative.
April 24th, 2009 at 8:28 pm
Mark. Sorry for the interruption.
April 24th, 2009 at 8:55 pm
Not at All. Please continue.
April 24th, 2009 at 10:23 pm
Her mental capacity was never raised. There weren’t any tests.
Amerian didn’t fight out of courtesy.
My notes are, “I don’t trust her attorney in the sense of” the media. He said of Flanagan that he was very savvy in using the media and that what he said wasn’t necessarily what was going on in court.
These are abbreviated quotes, the remnants of what I didn’t say earlier. I know I can go back to him.
I think a strategy that I can follow may be based on capacity. Wow. That was interesting re Jamie saying no. How heroic. And the “Britney doesn’t like court,” shrug by Flanagan.
I have only had contact with the public affairs office twice. They seem a tight knit gossipy group or they talk about work as anyone would, between themselves. I did find someone nicer than the beezy I talked to today but while conversational, she doesn’t want to be on the record. At least not what we gossiped about. “They’re called boobs, Larry.”
I don’t know if I want to talk to the LA Times now but it wouldn’t be thorough if I didn’t. Also, sniffing around sends a message.
Flanagan talked to the L.A. Times. There’s nothing wrong about that save… Amerian looked like a devil, Jamie looked like a hero protecting his daughter, etc., and Flanagan looked like he was in the middle. Just a good guy trying to win a case. Google Harriet Ryan, etc.
What would you like to know, Mark? Unlike you guys I can move through many spaces.
April 24th, 2009 at 10:24 pm
Correction: I have MEANWHILE I have only had contact with the public affairs office twice.
Amerian is not part of the public affairs office of LA Superior Court.
April 24th, 2009 at 10:52 pm
Quick explanation about spaces. I don’t work for anyone. $$. There’s no boss. No fear of losing my job. No threat to anyone. Nothing to put others at unease as a journalist. Imagine if I was the AP. I imagine most people would sit up.
I don’t have a company name behind me. I have a story that I am working on.
I got permission to post here and somewhere else with the story or rather Amerian didn’t say, no, I retract what I said, I’m scared etc., don’t even say I am an inside source. He told me he loses no sleep over the case.
I think Amerian was painted into a villain. I thought he was. Didn’t you? He was sharp and gifted, terse in the best sense. Fair.
Wonder who painted him into a villain, wonder at the lollipops promised to the jurors…
A quote from the foreman you think? Combine that with capacity….get it online. Tell only the facts, no filtering or bias. Get the question of the audio tapes back in the press.
Thoughts?
Good luck tonight in Phoenix, Britney.
April 24th, 2009 at 10:54 pm
Unclear: ‘I got permission to post here and somewhere else with the story or rather Amerian didn’t say, no, I retract what I said, I’m scared etc., don’t even say I am an inside source. He told me he loses no sleep over the case.’
In other words, I had permission from the source. He didn’t back out. He has nothing to hide. I think he would like people to know how it really was. Funny because some of his quotes were like what he did say in the media save I heard his tone, and he sounded sincere. Understand?
April 24th, 2009 at 11:29 pm
One last thing. Amerian said he was given his orders.
Everybody has a boss.
April 25th, 2009 at 1:06 am
All the info is interesting.
I never thought the case should have been taken as far as it did, but it is still fascinating to know a info you didn’t know before.
April 25th, 2009 at 1:27 am
Amerian was human.
He was not the lone crusade I had been led to believe.
I didn’t think to think of his boss in any of this. I’m not saying Amerian passed the buck. He believed in what he was doing and was backed.
I’m fascinated by Flanagan’s use of the media, his message, distortion and image creation.
Jamie preventing the question of Britney testifying and it never happened in the court of law because Amerian was courteous and respectful of the situation, as painted by the Clan Spears.
April 25th, 2009 at 1:32 am
Redact. They ruined the girl’s image through this Jamie in the news saying “no” to his daughter testifying.
Amerian was courteous and respectful of Ms. Spears’ situation and past events. He didn’t press the issue of capacity, but the other side alluded to the lack there of and Britney getting her life back on track.
April 25th, 2009 at 2:37 am
AM I never considered that “he was following orders”. Never even crossed my mind and it should have because I question everything USUALLY!
Did he offer an opinion of what he thinks now about the situaion she is in? If you asked and if you can even post it…
I wonder if Britney is a topic of conversation in the legal profession…like what do is said behind closed doors?
Thank You AM for sharing your info.
April 25th, 2009 at 3:28 am
Line up the questions. I will ask.
I didn’t think to ask him, Small, about Britney’s current situation. I was after the capacity issue and whether the card of Feb 2008 was played.
It wasn’t.
What if I had asked him about his perspective on Spears’ current situation? He’s a prosecutor. He ran for an election recently. He’s moved on.
I want to talk to the foreman. Why did jurors think they would be meeting Britney Spears? Why would that have influenced their decision? What does the foreman remember as to testimony about capacity? What did the jury want as to testimony? What’s the truth of this case?
Capacity = KEY
?
Small. You are a smart person.
April 25th, 2009 at 3:44 am
I will do right by Mr. Amerian.
I am working on an article.
April 25th, 2009 at 9:33 am
Amethyst Mine Says:
April 24th, 2009 at 8:27 pm
Alright alright, Steel. I make more progress with you (was there ever a doubt? lack of credit?) and there’s no one that shares the adrenalin quite like you do.
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Drama. That’s what held us back in the past. I’ve quit reading at that other site altogether, and that may be a good thing. I read there to keep a balanced mind, and to gain information through discussion, but it was turning into a lesson on morals and always left me with a negative feeling in the end. So it was time for it to go.
Now…What else…?
Everyone’s lying. Everyone has an agenda. EVERYONE. (Sorry Mr. Twain, but that includes you, too!)
But it also includes me, and the rest of the posters here. My agenda? I’m sure you all have your ideas. Small’s agenda? She’s a huge Britney fan. We can all pretty much read each other’s personalities by now, I think.
MH is right when she says that we have to look at this with no emotion.
Okay…Just rambling. Need more coffee. Then I’ll start to make more sense.
April 25th, 2009 at 9:34 am
Didn’t mean to centre you out there, Small. Just using you as an example.
April 25th, 2009 at 9:39 am
Whatever happened to Mr. Halperin, by the way? I’m starting to doubt there was even a book to begin with, and wondering if it was more of a publicity stunt for his Web site. But who knows.
If he really did trail Brit for 18 months…Did any other paps ever see him doing this? Why did nobody catch on?
April 25th, 2009 at 9:49 am
AM, I think your journalism class has really been paying off. You’re approaching this in a whole new way, and it’s great!
April 25th, 2009 at 9:52 am
Here’s a question I still think is important. Or may explain our “motives” for what’s going on. (Or maybe not.) But it might put things in perspective:
Steel_Magnolia Says:
May 28th, 2008 at 9:51 pm
AM,
While you pursue Jane Doe, I’ll circle around from the other direction and try to zero in on the Puny Man…
Question:
Does anyone know who launched the $17-million audit of Jive Records? I don’t believe I’d heard about the audit until around Feb. 4/08:
“Ms. Spears’ estate consists of $40 million in assets and is currently undergoing a $17 million IRS audit,” Streisand said. “It’s a $17 million audit against Jive records,” Streisand later told Usmagazine.com
Following his statement, the judge asked Streisand to leave the courtroom. “I think the law should presume she has capacity until proven otherwise,” Streisand told Us. “Britney got in touch with me. I can’t go into specifics.”
“I was referred to her through the Trope and Trope firm,” Streisand told Us…
http://www.usmagazine.com/jamie_spears_court_britney_0204
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Mr. Streisand was apparently given info about the audit by somebody. Who? And who would have the power to launch the audit? Do we know the results?
April 25th, 2009 at 9:55 am
So now, a year later, we know that Streisand was likely given that information by Britney herself. I find it interesting that Streisand mentioned this to US Magazine. It tells me this $17-million audit was quite important to Britney at the time she was first being put under the conservatorship…As if it was one of the most important things on her mind at the time.
So do we know yet what the results were?
April 25th, 2009 at 9:56 am
Sorry to distract you from what you’re doing AM. I’ve been so out of the loop for the past bit that I’m a bit lost on it. So I can only look at the “bigger picture” for now.
April 25th, 2009 at 1:29 pm
Steel
Everyone’s lying. Everyone has an agenda. EVERYONE. (Sorry Mr. Twain, but that includes you, too!)
You guys are chasing papers. Just remember that before papers are filed there’s plenty of planning.
Few people get a chance to watch an egg hatch. Some get to see the chic grow. Everyone goes to the market to buy and fry the chicken.
Predicting, Assuming and Concluding? I don’t know. Personal? Maybe. A good listner? Perhaps.
So where does MT sits?
The frog does not drink up the pond in which he lives.
So where does MT stand?
Indecision is like a stepchild: if he does not wash his hands, he is called dirty, if he does, he is wasting water.
Where do you fit in?
April 25th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
MT, I think I worded that post wrong. I meant to say, “Everyone has an agenda.” That includes me, and that includes you.
I don’t think you’re lying any more than I am. We both have our own agendas, but just because we have agendas doesn’t make us untruthful. It just means we have our own perspective or point of view.
When I say, “Everyone’s lying,” I mean those directly connected to the mess itself. From what I can see, that doesn’t include you.
I don’t think I’m being indecisive, since my posts really haven’t wavered since the moment I began posting. I have been disappointed in some of the decisions that were made over the past couple of months, but…You’re all there, and I’m here and…
There’s a saying about stones and glass houses. I guess it may apply here.
April 25th, 2009 at 4:30 pm
MARK TWAIN Says:
April 25th, 2009 at 1:29 pm
You guys are chasing papers. Just remember that before papers are filed there’s plenty of planning.
Few people get a chance to watch an egg hatch. Some get to see the chic grow. Everyone goes to the market to buy and fry the chicken.
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What I’d like to know is…
What was the specific date when Brit’s London performances at the O2 Arena were booked?
I still have a hunch that the “Circus” tour and the “Blackout” tour were one and the same. That Circus was cranked out fast to justify a tour that was already planned for Blackout.
But that’s probably just me being a conspiracy theorist.
April 25th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
And maybe I shouldn’t be using the word “agenda,” because it seems to have negative connotations. I guess “perspective” is just as good a term to use. Or “world view.”
April 25th, 2009 at 4:46 pm
So here’s the box office for the first 12 tour dates (or so):
$23,974,429
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Circus_Starring:_Britney_Spears
Brit’s now done 30 shows, so we can more than double that dollar figure. And more shows are slowly being added.
Now that’s the gross figure. The net amount will be smaller. But in the end, who gets to take a cut? What’s their percentage?
As far as I can see, that’s where the egg of an idea gets fertilized. That $$ amount written on a piece of paper.
April 25th, 2009 at 6:17 pm
Hi, all. I am scrolling through. Steel. I just wanted to says THANK YOU for the encouragement on journalism.
I woke up full of self-doubt (which tends to happen when I end up alone here and starting writing and wondering what I am doing here).
I wondered if I should have posted the information and waited until I amassed more or had it in printed format with additional compelling sources.
But this is a discussion board and I informed Amerian that there were a number of us (I didn’t say where we were ((I wasn’t hiding anything just didn’t want more complication in explaining etc. I felt very grateful he was on the phone with me. He didn’t ask anyway))asking questions.
I think everybody is lying as to the parties involved outside of our board. I’ll have to wait for MT to reply to you, but I am surprised he would think you had included him in a group of liars.
I got to admit, that I am chewing my lip over all that we learned yesterday.
Mark. You haven’t considered that in chasing the paper that we can anticipate the next move or thwart it? Or at least ask questions and keep asking questions?
Wow. Has it become dangerous to talk like that? Will Corleone put me in the binder of people who take action to derail the c-ship?
I am hoping Mr. Diamond will talk to me after 4/28. The transcript I wanted from April 1st doesn’t seem to be forthcoming and I am told that even after the court reporter returns my call, it could take three to four weeks for my check to clear etc.
Diamond and Freedman could tell me about Berk’s testimony in context to the audio tape. The can verify that Britney couldn’t testify due to the ruling from Feb 2008.
Mark. I’ve done nothing to prove that I can write an article. I have a little faith myself. Journalism is a natural extension of my old job and I was pretty lethal getting the job done. Was I smarter than my peers or competitors? Maybe, but it was more great customer service skills and keeping everyone informed while motivating some to do their jobs.
It was the same skill set of finding information, making calls, taking risks, gambling. I often heard that jingle from the Olympics. The thrill of victory, the agony of defeat. The sales cycle: I love this job, I’m great at it! I hate this job, I’m the worst recruiter ever. I suck!
We love you, Mark. You are the most interesting creation in the garden. Save Ronnie. He too is someone to give me pause.
April 25th, 2009 at 6:22 pm
Steel. I believe StyleMaven deduced that Grossman gave the info to Streisand, but it’s very likely that Britney told him along with Lutfi. The girl had a telephone. She was in conversation with Grossman. “Howard. I’m hiring Adam Streisand. He needs to know…”
I still wonder what Britney was up to with that ice cream and calls to Jamie. Maybe she thought if he got her into UCLA that he could get her out of it. A girl asking for ice cream is childlike and not a threat.
April 25th, 2009 at 6:35 pm
Steel. You putting together the tour dates between Blackout and Circus was always interesting and smart.
I think some of us only continue to question that plan is that it is so insidious, especially when one considers that it was put together by a bunch of men.
I am still stunned by the unnecessary comments to the paper about Britney not testify. What was it, “not able to participate in a meaningful manner.” Britney doesn’t like the courtroom shrugged her lawyer.
What would Flanagan have wanted her to testify about anyway? What did Jamie say that he couldn’t have said by paper? “Your honor, my client states that Ms. Spears has plans to buy a house.” etc.
Mark. Do you have any faith that if the lack of capacity finding from Feb 2008 came to the public’s attention that it couldn’t cause action or questioning by others?
Fantasy. I didn’t get far in locating a court investigator. I was told every conservatorship is unique. I was counseled to find myself an expert lawyer. The public affairs woman would not answer herself to question on how one finds out if there is a court investigator and who it is.
Is there a big secret about that? Is that all done in chambers? A court investigator isn’t automatically assigned? Back to dialing.
April 25th, 2009 at 7:05 pm
I hope this linky thing works for me again.
Here are RUMORED dates for what was to have been
the Blackout World Tour 2008
http://www.spreadit.org/britney-spears-blackout-world-tour-dates
Compare and contrast that to the Circus Tour dates
http://www.britneyspears.com/tour/
Add the new date for Dublin and rumored dates for
July 2009 in Portugal and Russia.
Very similar. No? Your thoughts guys.
April 25th, 2009 at 7:11 pm
Yay me! Did it again. I like it. Okay anyway. Did
you check out the setlist too? Even that’s very
similar to was is now the official set list for
2009. The Blackout dates were rumored, of course,
but look at the dates though. I can hardly believe
Jive would still be interested in a tour to
promote that cd after all Britney had been through. Your thoughts.
April 25th, 2009 at 7:20 pm
St.Mag., I think your theory about the Blackout/
Circus tours is totally right. I think you know too.
April 25th, 2009 at 7:30 pm
What’s Brett doing there?
April 25th, 2009 at 7:40 pm
I think that she was once Britney’s asst. before
or around the breakdown. Not sure. She was rehired
not long after the c-ship began in Feb.08.
Idk why she was originally let go.
I doubt that she left on her own.
I’d never heard of nor laid eyes
on Brett before the book(Lynne)and c-ship.
Guess she didn’t last long for some reason.
April 25th, 2009 at 7:41 pm
Fantasy, I can’t access the information off hand right now, but I remember the rumoured Blackout Tour dates first appeared around Feb. 08 – AFTER Brit had already been put under the C-ship.
It was the London dates that first caught my eye – there was a date that was identical to the actual Circus Tour date. June 10th? June 12th?
It might be worth going back and comparing the Feb. 08 dates to the new European dates that are being added. I’m wondering if her management started booking the European dates first, with the thought in mind that they could extend some of them into a residency, such as Prince’s 21-day residency at the O2 Arena in London last summer. And why Europe? Booking the dates in Europe first would have her performing off out of the view of the North American fans, who had just watched her have a very public meltdown.
I hate the thought that her team would even think about booking tour dates when she had just been released from the hospital. I actually want someone to prove me wrong, because the thought is so disgusting to me.
April 25th, 2009 at 7:42 pm
Btw, that pic is from last year.
April 25th, 2009 at 7:49 pm
Fantasy…That wasn’t the original site I was looking at, but I went back and re-looked at your link, and it is from February 2008.
Wow. Dublin is very close to the Blackout date.
I just noticed on Wiki that they’ve added two shows in Paris now.
April 25th, 2009 at 7:54 pm
I didn’t know about the Paris show dates.
Remember this?
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/bizarre/article814460.ece
Click on #2 under the picture to see b4 and after.
April 25th, 2009 at 7:57 pm
I added that because it’s a pic from the same day
as from the previous link I posted.
And you can kinda see Brett in that pic too.
April 25th, 2009 at 7:58 pm
Fantasy. I’ll let or wait for Small to weigh in on the pics. She said she thought Brett came from Lynne’s camp. I think we finally found pics to prove that?
I am glad you guys are doing the tour stuff. You’re an asset Fantasy. Steel has been working on the tour dates for awhile. I was always off in some other direction.
I like the team we have now. I welcome more of course. Small is my go to person on Britney before Jan 2008.
April 25th, 2009 at 8:12 pm
I believe we found pics of Brett accompanying Brit to Target to pick up a prescription in October 2007. It was when Lynn and Jamie Lynn had flown into L.A. for a couple of days. (It was the same trip where Jamie Lynn yelled in a woman’s face outside a plaza.) Small can probably verify better, but I do believe Brett comes from Lynn’s camp.
April 25th, 2009 at 8:13 pm
Britney at it again two months earlier.
on
I hope this in some way can and will put a
everyone’s face today. Don’t cha love the accent?
http://www.tmz.com/2007/12/8/britney-gets-a-lighter-with-five-finger-discount/
LOLOLOLOL!!!!!
April 25th, 2009 at 8:16 pm
Holy shiz. That aint it. Sorry guys. Damn link
didn’t work. It was video of Britney stealing a
cigarette lighter. It was filmed by Addy.
Can I call him that?
April 25th, 2009 at 8:19 pm
That’s my favourite Britney footage of all time. It totally makes me want to hang out with her for some reason. She seems like too much fun!
…Oh, my bad. Ohhhhhhhh!
April 25th, 2009 at 8:23 pm
Maybe that footage just makes me laugh because the only thing I’ve ever stolen in my life was a lighter from a convenience store. And I didn’t even mean to steal it – my friend put it in my pocket right before the store owner walked out. That was back in high school, and I STILL feel bad about it. LOL
April 25th, 2009 at 8:30 pm
I’m glad you guys can see that and smile.
For some reason when I click on it it goes
directly to a pic of the recently deceased actress
Bea Arthur, Dorothy, of The Golden Girls fame.
April 25th, 2009 at 8:31 pm
I agree. Love that footage. She just seems totally cool.
That lucky bastard Jordan just scored VIP tickets. Have a good time Jordan and Twitter!
April 25th, 2009 at 8:38 pm
Like OMG, like totally, like. LOL
We’ve turned into Valley Girls!
April 25th, 2009 at 8:38 pm
Fantasy. I didn’t see it. I REMEMBERED!
April 25th, 2009 at 8:39 pm
R.I.P. Bea Arthur.
Wow. Golden Girls is one of the best shows of all time. I love that show, and those ladies!
April 25th, 2009 at 8:40 pm
How funny. Merry Christmas.
April 25th, 2009 at 8:42 pm
Golden Girls. I was embarrassed but damn it was good.
April 25th, 2009 at 9:28 pm
Hey, Fantasy. You’re right. That sounds like Adnan’s voice. What did she say back to him after he said he could have given her a lighter.
Those are two different British photogs speaking yes?
There’s Adnan. He’s sweet. Does the TMZ guy sound familiar? FTR?
Mark. Will you detail how Adnan helped with getting Britney’s cooperation for FTR? Or was it cooperation? How ’bout tolerance?
April 25th, 2009 at 9:51 pm
It’s hard to understand her exact words. What I
heard is “Why don’t you go back to your country
for Christmas.” ??idk??
I gotta watch it again. I hear Adnan. And 2 other
men at different times. One spoke arabic maybe?
Is that Felipe to her right inside of the store?
But yeah it sure is Adnan’s voice. Finalpixx logo.
Ever saw 20/20 Dec.07? He earned good pay for it.
April 25th, 2009 at 9:56 pm
Britney & Addy are totally getting their flirt on
in that video. At least he’s more open with it. I
totally think she was crushing on him too. Wonder
what would have become of them as a couple under
normal circumstances. Hmmm….
April 25th, 2009 at 10:05 pm
Just as well Adnan didn’t understand what she said.
I had zero impression of flirtation in the vid. The small banter between Britney and Adnan seemed normal or consistent with what I’d see before but who knows.
What do you mean he is more open with it? He’s attentive. That’s Adnan.
When you say Adnan earned good pay for 20/20, which was before he hooked up with Britney btw, what do you mean? I’m a stickler for fact. I hope that is not annoying.
If someone wanted to follow me around while doing what I already do, why not do the interview? Good for him if he got good pay for it. How much is good pay?
April 25th, 2009 at 10:07 pm
Carrot And Sticks
April 25th, 2009 at 10:07 pm
p.s. Fantasy. I consider myself a perceptive person but … she seemed to be in the mind set of what-you guys going to follow me in here too?
I guess I missed something.
April 25th, 2009 at 10:12 pm
Well yes, MT. False hope. But in return for what?
April 25th, 2009 at 10:20 pm
In the interview he gave an estimate. “Ballpark…
could run about $40,000.” I’m not saying that
he himself made $40,000 cuz I’m not him and it
wasn’t my money. I saw flirtation in the video.
Maybe because of what I know now. You know, that
they were together. Yes he is nice to her. Also,
imo,charming and flirtatious. 2 me it’s cool.
Oh, I meant Adnan got paid for his work:the video.
Not by 20/20.
April 25th, 2009 at 10:24 pm
I think Brit’s well aware of how much the footage of her is worth, and gives her favourite pap friends extra attention because she knows it will help them out financially. And why not? If I was her, I’d do the same thing.
April 25th, 2009 at 10:25 pm
ah. FTR.
Then the kids. Even better carrots and sticks once there were more custodial rights and time.
bye bye Adnan
April 25th, 2009 at 10:27 pm
Oh, I get it. Just the chance to see him.
Adnan was the carrot. LOL
April 25th, 2009 at 10:28 pm
To clarify. I didn’t say he was paid for 20/20.
He was paid for the video footage of her stealing
the lighter from the store. In the 20/20 intv. he
only gave an estimate of how much video like that
could rake in. If you watch the video from the
start you’ll see Finalpixx on the screen. I don’t
claim to know the exact amount that video went for
I don’t know if Finalpixx got a % or what.
Just wanted to clear that up.
April 25th, 2009 at 10:30 pm
Fantasy. I am oversensitive when it comes to Adnan and money. I seen so much guttering of his name.
Sorry for being so sensitive. I understand what you mean now though.
April 25th, 2009 at 10:35 pm
Amethyst, I understand. My fault. I didn’t have
the words come out right.
April 25th, 2009 at 10:38 pm
lol, Fantasy.
Are you following Jordan’s Twitter? I got to say it is exciting to follow him. He’s unique and he’s funny. loveee bbe
April 25th, 2009 at 10:43 pm
Floor is your’s, Mark.
You didn’t answer my question about faith. Maybe you are thinking about it? Don’t want to have it? Can’t rely in it?
If people can still surprise me in a good way, they can you too. Maybe but seeing is believing. Maybe that’s where you are at.
April 25th, 2009 at 10:44 pm
No, I wasn’t following it.
I’ll head over there now.
Talk to you later.
April 25th, 2009 at 10:46 pm
http://twitter.com/breatheheavycom
April 25th, 2009 at 10:55 pm
Jordan just posted a pic of him and Brett.
Kid’s got sac. LOL
April 25th, 2009 at 11:00 pm
I love it!
April 25th, 2009 at 11:01 pm
Jordan’s looking dapper.
April 25th, 2009 at 11:08 pm
Alright. This is bad of me but the vid of Brit’s hair falling out? (and how did TMZ get that by the way?)
It was weirdly mesmerizing until I figured out that that is the most normal she has been in a year.
Her ouch was real with her little arms flailing.
Isn’t that sick? It was like sticking her with a pin: yeah, she’s alive, she’s still ticking. And the crowd clapped. I doubt most of them knew what had happened but it’s a sick accompaniment.
I hope she says something tonight. Mark. Do you know why she wouldn’t?
April 25th, 2009 at 11:20 pm
Perez posted that clip quite a bit earlier than TMZ.
It wasn’t her arms I noticed – it was her legs kicking. I think it might have been at the point right before her extension was ripped out.
And yes, I had the same thought. She doesn’t have a little wind up key on her back – she’s actually alive! She’s been reminding me of C-3PO all this time.
And I also cringed at the crowd clapping. But I think I’ve been doing that at every show anyways.
April 26th, 2009 at 12:30 am
You are more succinct than me. ok, I’ll dig for facts, you do the write ups.
But seriously, thanks. I was wondering why am I watching/drawn to/haunted by these images?
C-3PO. Perfect. She kicked her legs alot and the aerialist did more than his “swoop of hands” choreography.
Ill. Wow. What a professional she to go on with the show. I wonder what he said to her.
April 26th, 2009 at 12:34 am
What’s with the string? How could it be outside at 32? That doesn’t make sense.
April 26th, 2009 at 2:18 am
Guess it is control for preg rumors. Good night.
April 26th, 2009 at 2:49 am
Steel_Magnolia Says:
April 25th, 2009 at 9:34 am
Didn’t mean to centre you out there, Small. Just using you as an example.
————
No problem. Yes I am a Britney fan and I am not ashamed. BUT, I am not the type of fan who buys every poster or magazine of her. I have never been to one of her concerts. I own her last 4 CDs. That is about it. I really do enjoy her music, but pop music is not my usual cup of tea. There was just something about her that I enjoyed and still enjoy. It’s unexplainable. Since I’ve been a fan for yrs, I did follow her and read stuff about her, etc., but in doing that I always thought she would get burned out from the business. I could sense something wrong when I read her interviews. I never thought it would come to this. NEVER. I guess what I am saying is that I am not surprised by things that have transpired in her life. I just wasn’t prepared for how far/bad it would get.
April 26th, 2009 at 3:04 am
So about “when did Brett come into the picture”…I remember seeing a picture of Lynn and Brett together before October 2007, but I could never find the pictures to confirm. The website I had seen it, I think shut down. So I could never post proof. After awhile I gave up looking for pictures.
April 26th, 2009 at 10:09 am
AM, When I say Brit reminds me of C3PO, I’m talking about her behaviour over this past year. From the time she appeared at the MTV Awards and onwards, she’s been more or less emotionless (save for a few pap shots of her crying while walking out of dance practice). Her interviews have been pretty cold and scripted, she barely talks to the crowd at her performances…
I wish more Alan Cummings would crawl out of the woodwork.
April 26th, 2009 at 2:01 pm
Steel. I must have been unclear. I totally agreed with you.
April 26th, 2009 at 2:08 pm
# MARK TWAIN Says:
April 25th, 2009 at 1:29 pm
…..
………
………..
So where does MT sits?
The frog does not drink up the pond in which he lives.
So where does MT stand?
Indecision is like a stepchild: if he does not wash his hands, he is called dirty, if he does, he is wasting water.
——–
pickle
You may sit in the middle of the road, but from that sit-in you protest.
peace man
Where do you fit in?
April 26th, 2009 at 4:29 pm
My mind thinks outloud. I didn’t think anyone was listening.
Pass the Tapatio.
April 26th, 2009 at 5:52 pm
“Fantasy Says:
April 25th, 2009 at 10:28 pm To clarify. I didn’t say he was paid for 20/20.
He was paid for the video footage of her stealing
the lighter from the store…”
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I have read two versions.
1. Sam Lutfi sad, ~”she not steel it, its my store”= (gasstation..?)
2. The person with her that day was paying for the lighter.
She was not steeling anything.
She “joke” about it.
See how bad I am..sort of joke.. Of course nobody in the business want to understand it, because they need a bad “happening” about Britney.
As for now. When she not get into court, they get piss of ( can one write that in US? Excuse if not) and start the road again to take her down in the media.
Media carousel= take her up, then bring her down, up again, and then down. The carousel goes on. Anything to make gossip sell and live on.
April 26th, 2009 at 7:17 pm
I was listening, Mark.
Whew. That shit is hot!
Thanks.
April 26th, 2009 at 7:35 pm
Fantasy. Maybe the intimacy you picked up was her anger. If directed at him, he didn’t know what it was about. That was probably just a lack of communication and no doubt something Sam had drummed up to make her angry.
Ama, as for the lighter, I don’t think anyone here cares whether she stole it or not. It was an antic and her sarcasm made it. I don’t think the store owner was mad. No one here really cares about the fine details. It was more like a happy remembrance of feisty and ticked off.
MT. I won’t press at least not for a little while again. I get frustrated. In personal life there are a few situations I can do nothing about. I’m not using half my skills. I’m no strawberry:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nx1TWk-V4P0
April 26th, 2009 at 7:38 pm
LOL.
April 26th, 2009 at 7:50 pm
LMAO! Extra special hot picante in that Tapatio. Bravo!
April 26th, 2009 at 8:43 pm
Strawberries, huckleberries, picante
ohmy!
April 26th, 2009 at 8:49 pm
fyi for those following the law:
For another perspective and from another source who is an attorney, but not based in California. This source was on the fly and doing me a favor…
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Defense attorneys are more prone to use the media than prosecutors to generate sympathy for their clients. Prosecutors have to worry about committing “prosecutorial misconduct”, which can get a conviction reversed on appeal. The judge is supposed to control this so both sides get a fair trial, but the media is not easily controlled. Publicity can prejudice a defendant from getting a fair trial.
It is unusual for a defendant not to be in court in a criminal matter, although if the case involves a misdemeanor perhaps the court will allow it. In a felony case, I believe the court would issue a warrant for the person’s arrest for not appearing.
Criminal defendants cannot be compelled to testify against themselves. If a defendant is determined not competent to stand trial, they cannot be tried for the crime until they are shown to be competent. The issue should be determined anew for each criminal case. However, Britney’s attorney is probably using the past determinations to help convince the court that she still lacks competency.
“Competency” and “capacity” mean different things in a criminal case. Capacity goes to whether the defendant understood what they were doing when they committed a crime, and the issue of capacity can be used as a defense or partial defense to the criminal charge.
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April 26th, 2009 at 8:51 pm
http://blogs.abc.net.au/theshallowend/2009/04/car-crash.html
April 26th, 2009 at 9:15 pm
MT. I hope you don’t think I wasn’t light through Oz.
Sometimes I don’t know what to say and it would be true that in darkness I tend to have a humor. It probably hasn’t shown much here.
We’re on to a new theme. Tombstone maybe and habaneros as if jalapenos weren’t hot enough.
April 27th, 2009 at 1:05 am
Goodnight, Mark. I just went back to make sure you got my drift. You did. I wasn’t absolutely certain at 9:15 p.m.
Now I am.
April 27th, 2009 at 8:29 am
“Amethyst Mine Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 7:35 pm .
…
….
Ama, as for the lighter, I don’t think anyone here cares whether she stole it or not. It was an antic and her sarcasm made it. I don’t think the store owner was mad. No one here really cares about the fine details. It was more like a happy remembrance of feisty and ticked off.”
I remember how condescendingly the gossip media write about Britney in that time and I did not said anything about anyone in the store being mad.
Its like you only understand MT.
You two are inseparable.
April 27th, 2009 at 10:55 am
Hi guys. I shouldn’t believe rumors. BUT, there
are all of these Europen tour dates floating out
there on the net. I can’t help but wonder if
Britney’s management team are or have already
booked dates over in Europe. I haven’t seen any
dates for Australia. But the judges decision about
expanding the tour was put on hold right?
Who knows what was said in chambers.
There’s nothing on Britney’s official website yet
beyond Manchester in June.
I wonder what’s up with all of the rumors.
April 27th, 2009 at 11:57 am
Fantasy. I wonder about the rumors. They are almost like pre-marketing, starting hype when you’ve still no permission. It’s like they are going ahead with their promotion plans.
If the bs.com site were carrying the story … then I think it would be believable if official.
I think if Camp Spears had all locked in with the courts there would be an announcement through official channels or media outlets.
As for you, Ama, it’s good to see you haven’t lost your edge.
peace
April 27th, 2009 at 12:16 pm
Off the subject just a little but reports are that Jamie Lynn baby daddy was in a bad wreck over the weekend. He was taken to his local hospital where the wreck happened then taken to Jackson MS UMC hospital. Not sure why they took him there but it is a trama hospital what ever level is the highest. Not sure if that is why he is there or not.
April 27th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
Looks like BH has the story. I did not look there first. Oh well. It says he has a head injury and was suppose to have surgery but they didn’t do it. JL is there with him. Wonder how many paps are hanging out around there? Anyone we know? Probably not.
April 27th, 2009 at 3:37 pm
Steel. Have a gander. This is where some of the language came from re being able to participate.
‘In Letters of Temporary Conservatorship and Orders Appointing Temporary Conservators filed on August 22, 2008, the Probate court has extended the temporary conservatorships of the person and the estate through December 31, 2008. As a result, Petition is unable to participate meaningfully in this matter. If Respondent (People of the State of California) is not restrained and prohibited from taking any further action in the above prescribed matter, Petitioner may be forced to stand trial against a charge that should not proceed if Petitioner is correct in her challenge to Respondent’s ruling, at a time when she is unable to participate meaningfully in her defense.
Petitioner will also be irreparably injured because she will be forced to defend against a charge in trial that is outside the jurisdiction of the respondent.”
September 23, 2008 Flanagan
Verification: … … … Petitioner is unable to sign this verification because a temporary conservatorship has been established over her person and estate pursuant to Letters of Temporary Conservatorship and Orders Appointing … … on February 1, 2008′
repeats c-ship actions then, ‘The Probate has found Petitioner lacks the capacity to retain counsel.’
77 page document. The rest outlines the case and evidence to support Motion to Dismiss.
There is a three page document by Lynne Spears. Say is 74333 N. Lewiston, Kentwood, LA where Lynne lives? Meanwhile, Lynne says Britney got the California license due to her custody battle. She says Britney got the license, “not be because she planned to live permanently in California” but because of another case pending in court “involving custody of children.” She details that Britney has five cars currently registered in Louisiana. (Mercedes and Land Rovers) She says that she, Jamie, and Jamie Lynn all have LA driver’s licenses.
June 17, 2008
A little more later. I understand there was a premise that the Defendant couldn’t testify or agree to a plea bargain due to the conservatorship therefore Amerian continued the case. This is from a document by Amerian contesting the motion to dismiss. It also says that because Britney can’t attest to anything, her mother’s Declaration was submitted but Amerian says it’s unclear as to the purpose as nothing that Lynne says was in Britney’s “moving papers.” (what Britney said when the citation was issued?)
It was unnecessary to say that Britney did not like coming to court. Was it a random and stupid or calculated thing to say to the media.
Then there is something between Flanagan and Amerian as to an infraction versus a misdemeanor.
The judge upheld the People of the State of California and the motion to dismissed was denied by the judge. There is something in here also that the Defendant admits to being a resident of California for 17 months. That’s enough legal jargon for me.
Sorry for the interruption.
April 27th, 2009 at 3:37 pm
er Unable to participate.
April 27th, 2009 at 3:40 pm
So. Should we add unable to sign a check or credit card to the list of restraints? I wonder how her allowance works.
April 27th, 2009 at 5:05 pm
I am procrastinating big time on a key call for another case.
I did talk to a source this morning who surprised me by what she was willing to say on the record.
I addressed it. She said that while she hated to get biblical on me that the truth will set you free and it’s her responsibility then to tell the truth.
It makes it interesting to invert the model with the impact of lies on the lives of BS and AG.
tick tick tick
April 27th, 2009 at 5:09 pm
I am meanwhile staring at a phone number with a thought toward, ‘just do it.’ I think if it was the Spears’ case I would have done it already but that has more of a sense of urgency than a mere commitment and a deadline.
tick tick tick
April 27th, 2009 at 5:23 pm
Amethyst, pick up the phone and make the call.
You’ll feel so much better when you do.
The ‘Spears case’ will still be there waiting when
you’re done with your phone call. Just do it.
April 27th, 2009 at 5:36 pm
Britney’s concert reviews have lately gone from
good to mixed, to mixed to bad. Here’s the latest
one from last Saturday in Vegas. Maybe Europe will
be kinder to her.
http://www.lvrj.com/news/43773057.html
April 27th, 2009 at 5:53 pm
Fantasy! Thank you. I did do it. I have a technique. I write the number on a pad of paper and the person’s name there. I may hem and haw but eventually I just do it like jumping off the dock into a lake.
I never was one to wade in. Procrastinate yes. Circle the diving board or step on it and bounce a little? You bet. It is done.
Back to BS. While I am not happy anyone was in an accident I am grateful that some of what made the news this weekend did not make wide circulation.
I’ll check out the concert review you posted while waiting for a callback from my source. It helps to have a deadline when making calls. Mine is tomorrow.
April 27th, 2009 at 5:58 pm
Ouch. Great review, Fantasy, thank you.
April 27th, 2009 at 6:22 pm
Fantasy. I anticipate no response nor did I ask for one, but I emailed Jason a few thoughts on the impact of c-ship.
April 27th, 2009 at 6:23 pm
p.s. oc I emailed under my real name.
April 27th, 2009 at 6:37 pm
I never thought to do that. I think it’s great.
Maybe he will respond. How do you think the public
or her fans will react if the c-ship doesn’t end
after the tour? Tomorrow the Eardley case wraps
up, right? Or it is Lutfi? Do you think because
they’re fighting the restraing order the judge
will still grant it but maybe it won’t be for as
long as Adnan’s PRO is. We’ll have to wait and see
I guess.
April 27th, 2009 at 8:05 pm
Fantasy. I am pessimistic about tomorrow.
You never know who is really watching here and how much power they wield.
I don’t think the general public will care much: most will never hear about it, most have no idea what is going on. They hear positive things like about the tour. That’s it.
As for fans, if you read BH Exhale or other sites, then you know where people converge and where they fall apart from each other.
Meanwhile, and on the other hand, maybe tomorrow’s trial will continue. It was unclear about “closing arguments” and when those would actually happen. Some press reported that closing arguments are the only things that will be heard tomorrow.
Judge’s chambers were closed. What do we really know?
btb, my email to Jason included some questions on blaming Britney for all without thinking to the c-ship and her Barbie Doll in a package with the cellophane around. What a great image that. It follows that the doll is worth more if you don’t take the doll out and leave the cellophane intact.
Your thoughts?
April 27th, 2009 at 8:06 pm
in re who watches… I think I will be a little more cautious in what I post here. There’s nothing like exposing your plans to the opposite side.
April 27th, 2009 at 8:12 pm
Sidenote: http://www.lasvegassun.com/blogs/robin-leachs-las-vegas-celebrity-watch/2009/apr/24/britneys-circus-and-kennys-carnival/
Meanwhile, “Britney Spears throws party…” It just goes on and on.
April 27th, 2009 at 8:16 pm
ok she was there briefly.
Jordan got to to an exclusive party of just 50 people?
http://www.lasvegassun.com/blogs/robin-leachs-las-vegas-celebrity-watch/2009/apr/26/britney-spears-circus-tour-sex-spectacular/
Maybe it’s true Jordan got his VIP tix from Adam Leber. Who knows.
April 27th, 2009 at 9:02 pm
Yeah, Amethyst, I was gonna tell you to be more
discreet. Britney was at the after party. There’re
photos on bs.com. About one of the articles,
why would Seacrest even go there?
Why’d he say it on air too? What’s the point?
Every few months or so it’s that or a new bf.
Anyway. I like you doll reference. It’s so on it.
April 27th, 2009 at 9:39 pm
I got the doll reference from Jason. I just added to it. I gave them once to a niece and her mother put them up on a shelf still in the box: voila, collector’s items.
In re plans, I won’t do anything until after the hearing on Tuesday. As for some other plans, sometimes it’s good to get input. You guys are tops.
For all I know the foreman has been stuff into a trunk by now. jk but serious. Camp Spears has proven their might and I don’t think we’ve seen half as far as they are willing to go.
Seacrest was freakish. He had the go ahead from somewhere I would imagine.
He risked his reputation in as much as he hoped (I think) to garner hits or listeners. The string incident was an odd follow-up to the Seacrest incident. Were they related?
btb, I didn’t know Seacrest was considered reliable with inside information. What did you think of Leber’s response?
It’s hard to tell with the “genius or best of the best” talent of L.A. and their planning. Fantasy. You got my video right? Let’s have some fun with berries.
I heard from Doc today. She’s very busy which I think is terrific! No churches. yea! lol I miss her.
04/28/2009 at 08:30 am in department 11 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
MOTION/APPL-TEMP RESTRAINING ORDER (to be heard 7:45 a.m.)
April 27th, 2009 at 9:40 pm
04/23/2009 Ord-Appt Probate Referee
Filed by Attorney for Petitioner
(this showed up today — the system wasn’t displaying anything earlier today)
April 27th, 2009 at 9:43 pm
And for Steel. I realize you might make something of this. It’s been on their for awhile.
04/16/2009 Inventory & Appraisement-Partial ($599,952.41 ALSO CHECK MARK FOR CORRECTED )
Filed by Attorney for Petitioner
By the by, the number of those designated as Petitioners is dizzying. Here’s this list one more time. Maybe it will make more sense now.
Parties
AMERICAN CONTRACTORS INDEMNITY COMPANY – Surety Company
BOXER JOEL E. ESQ. – Attorney for Petitioner
BUA JOSEPH D. SR – Probate Referee
COHEN JERYLL S. ESQ. – Attorney for Petitioner
DIAMOND ROGER JON – Attorney for Respondent
EARDLEY JON – Attorney for Petitioner
FREEDMAN BRYAN J. ESQ. – Attorney for Petitioner
GHALIB ADNAH – Petitioner
IN PRO PER – Attorney for Petitioner
INGHAM SAMUEL D. III ESQ. – PVP Attorney
LUTFI SAM – Petitioner
PHILLIPS STACY D. – Former Attorney for Petitioner
SPEARS BRITNEY JEAN – Subject Person
SPEARS JAMES P. – Petitioner
SUPERIOR COURT – Court
THOREEN VIVIAN LEE ESQ. – Attorney for Petitioner
TMZ – Real Party in Interest
WALLET ANDREW M. – Petitioner in Pro Per
WASSER LAURA A. ESQ. – Attorney for Petitioner
WEXLER JEFFREY D. – Attorney for Petitioner
WYLE GERALDINE A. ESQ. – Attorney for Petitioner
April 27th, 2009 at 10:42 pm
From an outside source for those trying to understand media and courtroom decisions:
‘The media gets to report on rumors and accusations that people have about the defendant, the victim or the police that would not be admissible at trial. However, the jury may read this stuff in the newspaper or hear about it on TV prior to the trial, or even during the trial. They are told to disregard this, but are only human. A media frenzy can deprive one side or another of getting a fair trial.’
bold print mine
But that doesn’t answer for when there is not a jury. All or some or many involved within the courtroom also hear media and they are human.
In a media war to upgrade someone’s side… fight fire with fire? Only our side has had little to now fair representation in the media.
Enter Mark Twain who understands the resources so sits in the road.
April 27th, 2009 at 11:13 pm
Probate Referee, def if interested,
http://www.latimes.com/classified/jobs/counselor/2002/la-081102counselor-probateref,0,2913678.htmlstory
http://www.probatereferees.org/
April 27th, 2009 at 11:18 pm
OOps. ‘Enter Mark Twain who understands the resources so sits in the road.’
Pass the Tapatio. Sorry Mark.
April 28th, 2009 at 1:48 am
You can tell from the reviews of Brit’s performanes that she is like a walking zombie. In the beginning people thought that she was just rusty but now it is becoming clear that Brit is now a puppet and Jamie and the conservators are the puppet master. I’m sure they have already calculated how many millions they are going to make from the extended tour and to hell with Brit’s physical and emotional well being.
Do I think the the conservatorship will end after the tour, yes but in 2010. As of right now, we do not know when the tour will end. I wonder if continuing the tour is just an excuse for continuing the conservatorship.
I remember when Jamie agreed to given Kevin sole legal/physical custody in exchage for increased visitation, everyone thought the arrangement would last until the end of conservatorship but that was a year ago and Brit is still under and conservatorship and she still does not have custody of her kids.
People think everything is back to 50/50 and it is not. Kevin and Jamie are running the show and Brit has absolutely no say over what happens to her kids and that is sad.
April 28th, 2009 at 2:39 am
The c-ship is not going to end in 2010. It is sad she has no custody of her kids. When I read that she is in this city and that, etc., I keep thinking, “she should be with her kids”. I don’t see her ever having custody…not at this rate.
Oh and where is Felicia. I see her once or twice and then never again. Let me see her again Jamie Spears.
April 28th, 2009 at 9:36 am
I think that as long as concert goers leave
Britney’s shows happy and satisfied,thats all her
camp care about. Even if fans left her show
feeling the way the critics feel the camp still
wouldn’t care because they’ve already made money.
Once the tour is over maybe Britney will be given
more of a chance to focus on her emotional health.
Queen B, I too think that the tour/tour insurance
was just an excuse to keep the c-ship going.
C-ship = visitation.
She’ll probably always have to have a monitor
there with her and the boys. Didn’t she have one
after she lost physical custody in 2007?
She regained visitation with the kids on her own.
No Jamie. No c-ship. She can do it again once the
c-ship is over.
Small, the magician in Britney’s show must have
gotten a hold of Felicia and made her disappear.
I haven’t seen her since they were in Canada back
in March. I didn’t spot her in the photo at the
Las Vegas after party. Brett’s in the photo.
Felicia isn’t. I think that’s very strange.
Gigi, I read that Jamie-Lynn’s baby daddy is doing
better now. That’s good news.
April 28th, 2009 at 11:02 am
I guess my hope that the conservatorship will end in 2010 is more wishful thinking on my part. When the conservatorship was first granted, I was happy because I felt that Brit really needed to someone to look after and take care her after Sam Lutfi almost ruined her life.
The goal back then was to give Brit a kind of safety net until such time as she could control her own affairs but it seems like the point of conservatorship has changed once it became permanent. The longer conservatorship lasts, the more difficult it will be for her to regain custody. Kevin will use the fact that Brit has been under conservatorship for a 1.5-2 years against her. No judge will award custody to anyone just released from a conservatorship.
When the conservatorhsip was temporary, there was always an expiration date so Brit had something look forward. I could not imagine being Brt. I have no control over my life and I have no idea when I will regain control. The conservators are spending her money left and rigt i.e., 5k to Kevin and she has no say so over that.
If the conservatorship continues past 2/10, the two year mark, either Bryan or Jamie Lynn will have to do something.
April 28th, 2009 at 11:51 am
Queen B. Why’d you say her siblings? Not Lynne?
I always thought that if Ingham (who is worthless)
doesn’t try to help Britney like she wants then it
would have to be her dad. I thought that since he
and Ingham are the closest to her or the c-ship it
would be one of them.
Britney’s c-ship should have ended,imo, at the end
of 2008 or at the 1 year mark. But the tour plans
were already in motion.
The reality is that Britney is in debt.
She spent money like it actually grew on trees.
She didn’t tour for Blackout. No tour no $$$.
Lawsuits here and there. Lawsuits = $$$.
Medical and rehab bills, child support,and so on.
She still, to my knowledge, was raking in a few milllion from her fragrance sales.
And she received over $700,000 per month and she
didn’t have to lift a finger to get it.
But more money was going out than coming in.
She wasn’t saving for the kids or nothing.
That’s how it looked to me.
Bills, bills, bills.
Circus and it’s tour is the only sure way she can
pay off her debts. Touring = money.
But money also equals an even longer existence of
a conservatorship. It’s not her poor mental health
that is keeping the c-ship afloat by itself.
Well, whenever the c-ship ends I still think she
has a chance at getting custody of some kind.
It may not happen right away. Yet it’ll happen.
Most people in c-ships are elderly.
At least Britney is young. And famous too.
People will watch to see how this ends.
If it doesn’t end, more people will begin to talk.
And ask questions.
It’s one thing for anonymous snoops on a website
to question things.
But if the media finally picks up on this then
there will be some explaining to do.
And Jamie & Co doesn’t like to answer to anyone.
Jamie better do what he said he’d do from the
start and give his daughter her life back.
April 28th, 2009 at 11:59 am
http://www.tmz.com/2009/04/28/sam-lutfi-cowardly-lyin/
April 28th, 2009 at 12:01 pm
Guys, scroll down to read the Lutfi case post.
My TMZ links don’t work. Sucks!
April 28th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
Thanks for the link, Fantasy.
It begs the question of whether they were required to be there, or expected to be there.
I don’t trust anything Britney’s lawyers say or paint, not since the Flanagan revelation and what I was told by public affairs.
Remember that article depicting Jamie as what was it? Some kind of tired dog who looked like he didn’t want to be there. I am not saying Ryan wasn’t in the courtroom (I’d have to ascertain whether the hearing that day was open or closed)but I was told she could have seen him walk in and walk by to make such a description.
It will be interesting to see today’s coverage. TMZ’s doesn’t bode well. The pity of all of it was the lack of success in getting Britney to testify and/or to get the mass public to learn the real picture of the c-ship.
April 28th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
http://www.okmagazine.com/news/view/13778
April 28th, 2009 at 1:33 pm
Queen B Says:
April 28th, 2009 at 11:02 am
If the conservatorship continues past 2/10, the two year mark, either Bryan or Jamie Lynn will have to do something.
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I find it interesting that you didn’t mention Lynn. Sadly, I don’t think Lynn has the balls to stand up to her ex husband even if it is to help her daughter. Has she ever really stood up for her daughter?
The only hope I see in your scenario is that maybe Bryan will help her. And I see that as a very SLIM possibility. As for JL, I’ve always seen her as a spoiled brat. Someone who had things handed to her because of who her sister was. She seems to live in her own world. Just my opinion. I don’t see her reaching out to help her sister. Maybe she will prove me wrong. We shall see.
The reason I sound so negative is because none of them have done anything about the c-ship. I don’t know, maybe Britney’s money trickles down to them so it’s better for them to shut up.
Oh god, I sound so AWFUL.
April 28th, 2009 at 1:39 pm
Fantasy Says:
April 28th, 2009 at 11:51 am
Britney’s c-ship should have ended,imo, at the end
of 2008 or at the 1 year mark. But the tour plans
were already in motion.
The reality is that Britney is in debt.
She spent money like it actually grew on trees.
She didn’t tour for Blackout. No tour no $$$.
Lawsuits here and there. Lawsuits = $$$.
Medical and rehab bills, child support,and so on.
She still, to my knowledge, was raking in a few milllion from her fragrance sales.
And she received over $700,000 per month and she
didn’t have to lift a finger to get it.
But more money was going out than coming in.
She wasn’t saving for the kids or nothing.
That’s how it looked to me.
Bills, bills, bills.
Circus and it’s tour is the only sure way she can
pay off her debts. Touring = money.
But money also equals an even longer existence of
a conservatorship. It’s not her poor mental health
that is keeping the c-ship afloat by itself.
Well, whenever the c-ship ends I still think she
has a chance at getting custody of some kind.
It may not happen right away. Yet it’ll happen.
Most people in c-ships are elderly.
At least Britney is young. And famous too.
People will watch to see how this ends.
If it doesn’t end, more people will begin to talk.
And ask questions.
It’s one thing for anonymous snoops on a website
to question things.
But if the media finally picks up on this then
there will be some explaining to do.
And Jamie & Co doesn’t like to answer to anyone.
Jamie better do what he said he’d do from the
start and give his daughter her life back.
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I have often asked if it would be so bad if Britney went bankrupt and lost all of her money? Who would stick by her side if that happened.
The fact that the media has not stepped up to question the c-ship after more than a yr, well it makes me think they won’t even do it after 2 yrs. Unless they become bored and need a juicy story.
OK, I am sounding so negative and awful. I need a break from all this stuff.
Sorry didn’t mean to rain an anybody’s hope.
I will check back in later.
April 28th, 2009 at 2:26 pm
One thing we don’t know for certain (or do we?) is whose name the house that Lynne lives in, is in.
“I’ll cut you off if you don’t mind your own business,” says Jamie to Lynne maybe months ago.
Who drives the five cars registered in Britney’s name in Louisiana? 2005 Mercedes 4-door, a 1999 Mercedes 2-door, a Lexus, a Range Rover and a 2008 Mercedes 2-door.
If Lynne drives those cars as her own, lives in the house registered in Britney’s name, isn’t living off of Jamie Lynne who needs money of her own, didn’t make a lot off her book, and so on, then Jamie has real power over her.
I don’t know about Bryan. As a family member I believe he qualifies to petition. oc, that would cause a scandal but enough is enough.
April 28th, 2009 at 3:57 pm
Never knew about this. Did you or anyone else?
news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/spears/britneyliberty205cmp.html
April 28th, 2009 at 3:58 pm
http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/spears/britneyliberty205cmp.html
April 28th, 2009 at 4:12 pm
Hi, Fantasy. I think Steel and some others have a handle on that one as it came up in discussion at sometime this year.
I don’t think anyone stated what the outcome to the suit was.
I think there may be some documents on the case online at LA Superior Court. They cost a small fee.
April 28th, 2009 at 4:44 pm
http://www.contracostatimes.com/california/ci_12245702
April 28th, 2009 at 5:19 pm
“Fantasy Says:
April 28th, 2009 at 11:51 am
.
..
….
Britney’s c-ship should have ended,imo, at the end
of 2008 or at the 1 year mark. But the tour plans
were already in motion.
The reality is that Britney is in debt.”
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How do you knwo that. You KNOW that or you think its so?
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“She spent money like it actually grew on trees.”
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Well we all knows she had a lot of money before she married K-Fed, and we know she did not get richer under the years they was married. He spend a lot (that little s**t). A lot. An article have showen that for the world. 30 millions K-Fed spend under the marrige.
The day they was married she let Larry R go. Maybe because he told that JK-Fed not had the skills to be a rap artist?
She was a very loyal wife.
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She didn’t tour for Blackout. No tour no $$$.
Lawsuits here and there. Lawsuits = $$$.
Medical and rehab bills, child support,and so on.~
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We all know why she not tour, she was not well. Her whole life was up side down. She was unhappy and hurt, and on top of that this excuse for a man, K-Fed make a hell for her, and this shady person Sam Lutfi, with his friends used her, and when he did not get what i wanted full out, he feed her with dangerous pills, as he was a doctor.
All her bills started with one big misstake.
Kevin Federline. The womanizer himself.
Wonder whom it was behind the ugly rumor in the gossip media (and the most ugly was that all the gossip media wrote it, banging it into stupid peoples mind, they still belive that sort of dirty talk about Britney)…about she was taking heavy drugs in those lollipops she liked for a while?
“”Lollipop, must mistake me you´re the sucker..”
If her dad is a real man, a good father, (a good grandfather, and not a father of two young boys,) he will as soon as possibly let her be her own person again, and they can start healing what perhaps is bad between them.
He must start remeber all the years that he was bousing around the clock, and start understand that taking control of his daughter, is not the only way to stay sober.
A family who stay together of free will must be the the best solution for the future.
Force is not the solution.
April 28th, 2009 at 6:58 pm
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jE_7UI0eCgGMxvuoRcQ3IM6yxF7QD97ROF600
verdict
April 28th, 2009 at 7:16 pm
‘Shortly after the verdict was handed down, Roger Diamond, an attorney for Jon Eardley released the following statement to Access about the permanent restraining order.
“It’s a misapplication of the law. We will appeal,” his statement read. “It’s a misuse of the statute, primarily because Britney Spears never testified she suffered substantial emotional distress, nor did she even file a declaration to that effect. It was never disputed that she authorized Mr. Eardley to take the action that he took on her behalf.”
Bryan Freedman, an attorney for Lutfi, also said an appeal was planned.
“We will absolutely, unequivocally, appeal the ruling,” Freedman said. “There was not a shred of evidence to substantiate emotional distress on the part of Britney Spears. It’s clear to me that an appellate court will overturn this ruling.”
Britney remains under the conversatorship of her father.’
http://www.accesshollywood.com/judge-grants-restraining-order-against-sam-lutfi-attorney-jon-eardley_article_17291
April 28th, 2009 at 7:29 pm
I’m not surprised that Bobb issued a permanent restraining order against Eardley and Lufti. Eardley is an unethical attorney and Lufti is manipulative control freak. Instead of helping, Brit these two caused her a lot of problems.
Eardley keeps saying that Brit authorized him to represent her but Brit is under conservatorship and thus does not have the authority to authorize anything and he must know that.
As far as Lufti goes, we have not heard the last of him. I can’t believe he is suing Brit for breach of contract. Lufti is not a real manager and under his management, Brit’s career was at its lowest point. Good riddance.
April 28th, 2009 at 7:46 pm
The pity here is that the truth never came out about the tape.
The truth never came out about Britney’s last assessment for her capacity to under legal proceedings.
One wonders how desperate A and B were to be together, but the truth of how Eardley, Lutfi, and Ghalib knew each other (Sam threw Adnan under the bus) was also untold.
I had hope that the truth would come out.
April 28th, 2009 at 7:57 pm
The capacity issue will be addressed because of the Wright lawsuit. Wright wants to get Brit under oath at a deposition and Jamie/Co. is fighting it. If everything goes well, for the first time in 15 months the capacity issue will finially be decided.
There is no way the court can rule Brit does not have capacity. She has come a long way in the past 15 months and she is aware of what is going on and is capable of answering Wright’s questions. If the court rules that Brit does not have capacity, the judge is basically saying that Brit is in the same state that she was when she was hospitalized for the second time and we all know she is not that girl anymore.
April 28th, 2009 at 8:03 pm
Yes, but Queen B., how can Wright get her to testify if Camp Spears keeps referring to the assessment from February 2008 and the judge keeps upholding the ruling?
What if Britney is in Europe by then or Australia? You can’t get a court order to get a European doctor to say yea or nea as to capacity. I imagine she could be deposed long distance but that can’t happen unless she has capacity first assessed with a new ruling by Judge Goetz or her replacement.
Do you see a way around it Queen B?
ah for the love of insurance, power, control, money!
April 28th, 2009 at 11:40 pm
AP
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jE_7UI0eCgGMxvuoRcQ3IM6yxF7QD97RPV1G1
Warning. This link will disappear. The story should remain available though through other carriers of the AP such as the Boston Globe.
April 29th, 2009 at 12:21 am
What I am hoping for is that Goetz will hold a hearing to address the capacity issue. I agree with Wright in the sense that there are questions that only Brit can answer. Jamie testified in the criminal case and the restraining order case. At the very least, Goetz needs to ordr a psychiatric evaluation.
If Brit is deemed to have capacity, the implications are huge. Brit can speak for herself in court. She could hire an attorney and challenge the conservatorship. I’m hoping that the court will agree with Brit has capacity because she is so much better now.
I know that there are plans for Jamie to expand the tour but regardless of when and where the tour goes to, Brit at some point will have to return to LA and Wright could then take her deposition. I know they are so anxious to hear what Brit has to say.
April 29th, 2009 at 12:32 am
Thought, Queen B.: If there is a court reporter and there have been assessment tests for capacity since Feb 2008, would they appear somewhere in court records?
What if I am barking up a tree saying the last court assessments were done in February? What if they were more recent but didn’t effect the court’s ruling so the public never knew about it?
Note to self: learn if there is a court investigator and avoid the same Deputy at the Public Affairs office like the plague. She was like a guard dog where as the one I talked to before (regular officer?) was helpful, conversational, and pointed me in the right directions.
I think to get Goetz to review the assessment, there may have to be outside pressure or media frenzy. I am interested in your’s and others opinions realizing that not everyone is into the minutiae of court details or media.
April 29th, 2009 at 12:33 am
Nice spin by the media that she wasn’t “needed” by Wright until August. That’s not true. The matter may not be revisited until then.
April 29th, 2009 at 12:39 am
Queen B., why do you want Jamie to expand the tour?
April 29th, 2009 at 12:58 am
Did Queen B say she wanted Jamie to expand the
tour? idk. Well, Britney’s manager, Adam via
Twitter will have a “special tour announcement”
coming up at 10pm California time. Not too long
from now. My guess is that it’s the official
European tour dates. I’m going to check out bs.com
for the info. I could be wrong or maybe right. idk
April 29th, 2009 at 1:05 am
I was just going to write you, Fantasy. Well. The tour is official.
Wonder that the official announcement had anything to do with today’s decision.
April 29th, 2009 at 1:08 am
I do not want Jamie to expand the tour but I think it is done deal. There is too much money at stake. Jamie/Co. see dollars signs $$ and they are not going to stop working Brit until they have made as much money as possible.
I don’t even think the Europe/Austrailia will be the end. I could easily see the tour going to Asia, Latin America and another tour back through the US to cities that were not visited already. The money machine will never stop. Brit is everyone’s cash cow.
April 29th, 2009 at 1:17 am
I stayed awake an extra hour for this info.
I thought there’d be more dates.
You know, it’s kinda funny. I mean I think that
these dates were in the bag 2 weeks ago.
(Just my opinion.)
Most of the rumors were true.
So it’s about 55 dates.
Each show takes in close to $2 million.
Sometimes more. When it’s all done I think the
$100 million dollar mark will have been reached
or surpassed.
That was the ultimate goal.
April 29th, 2009 at 4:08 pm
Steel. Are you at least lurking? I thought for sure you might jump on waiting for the court’s decision before making the tour dates official.
The tour being an area of specialty and all.
Fantasy. Are your figures based on gross estimates before expenses?
Queen B. It’s depressing and gloomy.
April 29th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
I find it funny that Britney was the one that supposedly try to keep the peace in the Pussycat Dolls fiasco. That is, if the following story is to be believed:
http://www.breatheheavy.com/exhale/viewthread.php?tid=148620
”Remember, business comes first. … You can hate each other off-stage, but make it work on stage,” a very reliable Spears source quoted Britney as saying.
This coming from someone who is not stable enough to testify in court.
That’s if the whole story is true anyway.
April 29th, 2009 at 4:53 pm
Amethyst, I based it on the wiki info.
One show can take in between $1.6m -$1.9m
Two shows, like in LA, took in a little over $4m.
It is before expenses.
4 Eastern Europe shows were announced today.
The Exhalers are loving it.
To me it’s bittersweet.
I wonder if she is for this completetly now or
has she just accepted that this is something that
she has to do.
What guilt I’d feel if I were Britney.
Knowing that so many people would be jobless if it
weren’t for her.
If she quits she’s still able to live comfortably.
But everyone doesn’t have it that way.
Yet I am proud of her for making it this far.
I hope she enjoys some time off before going to
Europe this summer. And sees the boys too.
April 29th, 2009 at 6:00 pm
Good point, small.
Fantasy, yes the exhalers are loving it. I have to admit the Portugese made me cry. The video they had really seemed to show love rather than ownership and demand.
April 29th, 2009 at 6:37 pm
Queen B. With you legal background what do you make of why Jamie and Lynne were excluded from the TROs?
April 29th, 2009 at 6:47 pm
I thought it was interesting that Jamie and Lynne were left out of the TRO but then again it is not surprising. Lynne spends most of her time in Louisiana anyway. I do not think Jamie put forth enough evidence that showed Lufti was a threat to him. Jamie can take care of himself.
The goal of the PRO was protect Brit and her children which is why Lufti is not allowed anywhere near Kevin’s house because the children may be there.
Like I said before, I do not think Lufti will ever go away. I’m pretty sure he will try to worm his way back into Brit’s life some way. Unlike Adnan, Lufti has no morals or integrity. Adnan should never be put in the same category as Lufti. I hope Adnan is showed mercy and it is Lufti who ends up in jail.
April 29th, 2009 at 7:15 pm
So, you don’t think it has anything to do with Sam’s lawsuit?
Amen to Lutfi in jail and Adnan being shown mercy.
I’m sure he had his reasons for not defending himself earlier. I hope he did anyway.
April 29th, 2009 at 7:29 pm
Jamie Spears whole rationale for getting a TRO was that Lufti/Eardley/Adnan were harassing his daughter and causing her emotional distress so the judge could reasonably conclude that Jamie was not really caused him emotional distress. I do not think the lawsuit has anything to do with Jamine not getting a PRO.
April 29th, 2009 at 8:17 pm
I wonder what the agreement was about. Jamie Spears agreed he would not pursue a TRO and had it taken off the calendar July 30, 2008.
What did it save Jamie from? Oh an endless question.
What became of CityGal in 310 harassing him? They could not prove it was Sam?
April 29th, 2009 at 10:22 pm
AM, not lurking – just not really reading much right now.
I’m still working towards a deadline, and have also been following a missing person’s case here in my country. An 8-year old girl has gone missing. What’s eerie is how close the abduction case is to Britney’s story – from the way the girl’s mother is using “distraction” to try to manipulate the public, cops and the media, to how the on-line community is following this. The relationships developing out of it are very, very similar to that of the “Britney Bitches” (Me, Amethyst, StyleMaven and the gang…LOL) who have been following this story at the various gossip sites over the past year.
I wish you guys could see this case unfold. It’s really astounding. Can’t wait to see the girl’s mother led away in handcuffs. Too bad it’s taken so long for the general public to start catching on.
April 29th, 2009 at 11:15 pm
ok, Steel, I was just hoping and letting you know you are missed.
I hope you are able to make an impact where you are. You’ve got great research skills and an “odd” mindset that helps see through veneers. It’s all good.
Will we be seeing you on Nancy Grace soon? Is there a Nancy Grace of Canada? I doubt you are doing it so you can get on TV.
p.s. I have followed another case and it mimes the behavior of this blog and others. It’s good to see you.
April 29th, 2009 at 11:53 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 11:15 pm
You’ve got great research skills and an “odd” mindset that helps see through veneers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Funny you should say that – eHarmony recently told me I was:
“Original, Inventive, Thinker, Brave, Unique, Eccentric, Avant-Garde, Out-of-Touch”
Think they nailed it?! LOL
At any rate, no, there’s no Nancy Grace in Canada, though the case recently appeared on America’s Most Wanted, and I know people have been going after Nancy to get her to cover it, too. And I’m actually trying to stay (somewhat) under the radar – no TV for me. I sense there’s going to be some family members of the abducted girl who may be going to jail for this. Don’t really want to be a part of THAT when it happens.
Just sitting in the middle of the road, trying to stay safe from falling debris.
Will catch up with the goings-on here when this case blows open. By the looks of it, it should be any day now!
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090429.wblatch29art2245/BNStory/National
April 30th, 2009 at 12:07 am
That hurt my head.
I hope the case blows open soon as you thought.
eHarmony. Out of touch? They surely meant this as a compliment.
April 30th, 2009 at 12:09 am
Out of touch? Me?!
It’s probably just what happens when you spend too much time on-line, hanging out in the Britney threads.
April 30th, 2009 at 12:48 pm
lol. Well they sized you up pretty well; I believe I said the same things about what I appreciate about you but that was in an email.
You are smart and your thought-line is refreshing.
um but yes, I get a lot of raised eyebrows when I mention Britney Spears and how I have been spending my time. Out of touch?
April 30th, 2009 at 2:04 pm
I talked to one of the air ambulance people that brought Casey to UMC hospital. lol He had no idea who he had in the helicopter with him. He said “Hell it was just some idiot kid that flipped his damn truck and got thrown out. He was lucky to be alive. He landed in the grass so he was lucky as hell.”
He also says yes he sees the photgs at the hospital hoping to get a picture of JL or see Casey get out of the hospital. lol
April 30th, 2009 at 2:53 pm
Query: Anyone recall who made the declaration Jan 30, 2009 that alleged that Britney innocently informs Adnan and that he makes money from paparazzi who show up?
I must be blind. I’ve been through the 25 pages of the request for TROs and I can’t find it.
I thought it was in Jamie Spears declaration.
I Blair Berk’s declaration was the only one that was sealed and it reads that it contained “transcript of text messages sent between” Sam on January 10, 2009. If you happen to know I would appreciate it.
Here is the only mention of a court investigator if interested:
02/01/2008 Ord-Appt Court Investigator
Filed by Attorney for Petitioner
02/01/2008 Ord-Appointing Counsel
Filed by Attorney for Petitioner
April 30th, 2009 at 2:58 pm
Gigi. LOL. Are you too becoming a reporter?
lol, thanks for the interesting news. Go take pics. Become a paparazza. lol
April 30th, 2009 at 3:16 pm
Remember Judith Armstrong? She was brought onboard March 2008. I found this tidbit (very interesting article involving a botox case in LA Superior Court).
‘ Some of the doctors noted her depression and anxiety, but none of them — not even Allergan’s experts — thought she was faking her symptoms. So the testimony of clinical psychologist Judith Armstrong, an expert hired by Klein, was especially surprising.
A petite woman in a gray suit and a brunet bob, she began by saying, “You can’t diagnose someone just based on a test.” And then went on to do just that.
She chronicled Medavoy’s emotional dysfunction — depression, shame, hypochondria and holier-than-thou-ness — according to five personality tests. Medavoy, she said, presented herself “as so virtuous
“Everybody lies,” Armstrong said.
Even personality tests lie. A computer analysis of Medavoy’s results stated that she “may have had to take the test against her will,” prompting answers that were “self-protective” and possibly invalid.’
boldface mine
http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:59gxm24uHUMJ:articles.latimes.com/2004/oct/08/entertainment/et-botox8 “judith armstrong” la superior court&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
April 30th, 2009 at 3:44 pm
Hi Amethyst.
I saw that quote and I believe it was in Jamie’s
declaration. I always wondered about that.
What if anything did Britney say to her dad.
I’m a Britney fan and all. But she proved to the
world a long time ago that she’s “not that innocent.”
I believe she did tell Adnan where she was going.
Paps follow her all the time anyway. Why not have
it be people he knows? Adnan himself can’t be out
there like before. So if he and Britney had an
arrangement then that’s fine.
My theory could be right or wrong. Here goes.
Adnan was banned from seeing her by Jamie.
In order for him to see her in some way she’d tell
him where she was gonna be, the time, date, etc.
It was a way around Jamie’s control.
Was there some sort of confrontation by Jamie?
No one was supposed to know when and where she go
but security, Britney, and Jamie. Right? Right!
What exactly did she tell her dad?
I think she lies sometimes. Or doesn’t …uh, no
she lies.
Jamie was ticked off that she had pulled a fast
on him and that’s why he added that in the papers.
It’s not a crime to tell a friend or whoever what
your plans are for the day.
I still can’t believe the judge went for that.
There’s nothing else they could come up with
against Adnan. What was used is as weak as water.
April 30th, 2009 at 4:19 pm
If she did tell her friend where she was going and they “saw” one another then yes she did it on purpose. I can think of one time for sure they were in the same place and people made a big deal over it but you know if she wants to see her friend then to hell with what daddy thinks. She is grown. She should be able to have friends.
lol No AM I ask a friend and he happened to be on the air ambulance. I guess I could go visit my fiend and see what I could find out but I would not want to get him into trouble for telling me anything. lol I did think his reaction was funny.
April 30th, 2009 at 7:09 pm
Hey!
Whats happend?
I have not post that mastodont note on this site who now is waiting for moderation!!???
I´m the only one using this computer so whats happening??????
Please could sombody from JFX answer?
April 30th, 2009 at 7:13 pm
This is what I posted, some thoughts around what Fantasy have wrote… ((NOT the mastodont message waiting for moderation..!!)
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“Fantasy Says:
April 30th, 2009 at 3:44 pm
Hi Amethyst.
I saw that quote and I believe it was in Jamie’s
declaration. I always wondered about that.
What if anything did Britney say to her dad.
I’m a Britney fan and all. But she proved to the
world a long time ago that she’s “not that innocent.”
I believe she did tell Adnan where she was going.
Paps follow her all the time anyway. Why not have
it be people he knows? Adnan himself can’t be out
there like before. So if he and Britney had an
arrangement then that’s fine.”
I try to find some logic in that allegement..
Hard to find, I think.
If the paps already knows where she will be, why did she have to inform Adnan?
They hunt in “flocks”, knows where there “friends” are, and so on, so nobody need that information from Britney.
I do belive Adnan for a long time have looning to be free from the entrainment around Britney spears.
It have only give him trouble and he have not so many friends among the paps or gossip media. (Have going on for looong time)
Thats why I dont belive this “Adnan try to escape restraingorder” story.
I belive he had nothing against the restraining order, in fact it sat him free from false “friends and other followers”. He become “not interesting any longer for this “friends”
But, someone have personlly hate against him, but did not dare to lie a statment, so they staged that “happening” he know is sued on in civil court.
I will never belive that Adnan ever work togeter with Sam Lutfi. Never.
Only way I would believe it was if Adnan, himself, in a video or someting who cant be potter with, himself said he have done so.
I dont belive he is that kind of a man.
He seems to be a real man, and that of cource is scary, when Jamie (who else?) is used to handle the more female weak and shallow variant as Kevin Federline and the person with multiple own problems = Sam Lutfi.
April 30th, 2009 at 8:12 pm
Amapola. I said it was a theory: abstract thought.
Nothing I wrote was based on a fact (except for
what Jamie wrote in his declaration).
I’m not the only one to have had a theory or
thought about how something may have happened.
Relax a little.
I wasn’t trying to make Adnan look bad at all.
I was painting a picture using words.
If you don’t like the painting then don’t buy it.
Hopefully that doesn’t sound too harsh to you.
April 30th, 2009 at 8:18 pm
Ama, Fantasy, G. I disbelieve that Adnan told other paps where he was going to meet her so they could get money.
I believe Papa Spears told the paps where she would be. Period.
It would make no sense for Adnan to tell others where they would be while TMZ reported for a number of months that the pair were still seeing each other. Yet they never got a picture.
If anything was to make money it would have been pics of Britney and her man, whoever that person might be.
I don’t buy it. Finalpixx was another matter and well into the past. As if Britney wasn’t smiling in any photo they took as to “exclusives.” I think people were pissed. Who got the photos in Mexico? Why his friends of course, so what of it.
I am tired of Adnan’s character being maligned. He was what he was but then he walked through and into the mirror and got to the other side.
As for Lutfi? My only question has to do with the audio tapes. They sure seem like they would have come through Eardley.
I think it is only a “yet” as far as Jamie Spears directly attacking JFX. So far he has Ram as his ant soldier. I wonder what’s holding him back. I guess he would look a little crazy in directing his attack paranoia/conspiracy theory to the paparazzi outside JFX. Also, Jamie needs the paparazzi. He can’t afford to alienate everyone nor look a fool in going after a celebrity news website. And for what?
Hey you bastards, stop giving Adnan press or I will destroy your _____.
He shouldn’t have gone after Jordan Miller. He looks ridiculous and from now on, there will be scrutiny in those he chases.
April 30th, 2009 at 8:19 pm
Mark Twain. It’s official. I’m your huckleberry.
Details to follow in the next few weeks.
Steel, MH. That is an announcement to you too. Thanks for the encouragement.
April 30th, 2009 at 9:09 pm
I agree that the justification for granting a restraining order against Adnan was weak. I did not see Adnan as a threat to Brit because in Jamie’s eyes, he represented a threat to the conservatorship.
For some reason Adnan did not fight the PRO and when you do not show up to court in a civil case, the judge automatically rules in favor of the side. I’m pretty sure money had a lot to do with it. Adnan may not have had the means to afford an attorney since his criminal case took priority over everything.
The bottom line is that if Adnan and Brit want to be together there is nothing Jamie can do about once the conservatorship is over which is why Jamie/Co. have made the conservatorship permanent.
Brit strikes as someone who does the exact opposite of what people tell her to do. Lynne told Brit not to rush into marriage with Kevin or a pregnancy and we all know she married Kevin five months after meeting him and was pregant shortly thereafter. So if you tell Brit not to be with Adnan that only makes her want him more.
Brit certainly has interesting taste in men but I would hope that whatever guy she decides to hook up with, he has to have some money to prove that he is not some gold digger or a guy who is not interested trying to get famous off of her name like Kevin.
May 1st, 2009 at 12:44 am
Unusual You, Queen B., says it all. And Mmmm Papi.
Yes. Adnan is interesting as a different choice in men.
May 1st, 2009 at 1:45 am
I love Unusual You.
Lakers vs Houston!! Go Lakers
May 1st, 2009 at 2:06 am
Me too, Small.
As for basketball,… doesn’t that happen in the fall, winter, early spring?
MT. Small is talking to you and to J.
May 1st, 2009 at 9:03 am
“Queen B Says:
April 30th, 2009 at 9:09 pm
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Brit strikes as someone who does the exact opposite of what people tell her to do. Lynne told Brit not to rush into marriage with Kevin or a pregnancy and we all know she married Kevin five months after meeting him and was pregant shortly thereafter. So if you tell Brit not to be with Adnan that only makes her want him more.”
I disagree on that.
I believe Britney had the strongest longing to have kids, her female hormones screamed after having kids, and its natural and fine
and would have been a good thing if she not meet that man, Kevin Federlin, who only could prove his manhood in one way = doing women pregnant.
He said, himself, that he always wanted many kids, but howe to provide them he never talk about.
He think and act like a kid himself, and a womanizer.
Britney fall in love HUGE, sadly it was the wrong man.
Womanizer as he is, he could read her needs and take the change.
Now he got himself a women who I think he not will make pregnent… He would loose so much if his doing more kids..
And she is poor. Not good at all.
He have already taste the sweetness of getting money by doing kids, so I think he stop here.
At least I pray for it.
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May 1st, 2009 at 11:32 am
I talked to my air ambulance friend. He said no photogs hanging out any more. Hes not sure if the person has gone home or they just left.
Queen B- Yes I wondered if she was not head strong also. I know someone that doesnt know the meaning of NO. It just makes them mad. Mom said not to get married and she ran away and did it anyway. Mom said dont have kids you cant afford them. She did it anyway. lol Can’t stand to be told NO. Will do it or bust.
May 1st, 2009 at 12:18 pm
I don’t know Britney. Actions speak louder than words but we are all at such a distance from the individual.
I don’t think it’s fair to categorize her as someone who does the opposite of what she is told.
What good can this talk do other than to malign her character?
She may not have made the best decisions but I think there is more to it than just doing the opposite of what other people want. That’s silly.
JMO
May 1st, 2009 at 4:48 pm
Look at the men Brit has been involved with the last five years: childhood friend and first husband Jason Alexander; unemployed backup dancer Kevin Federline; music producer J.R. Rotem; aspiring model Isaac Cohen and pap Adnan Ghalib.
The average pop superstar would have never dated any of these guys but for some reason Brit is attracted to these kind of men. Brit could have easily have dated any actor, athlete, entertainer but instead she has chosen on a few occasions to go after men who use her name and fortune to benefit themselves. Cohen and Rotem sold their stories to the tabloids and Kevin is still unemployed and receiving money from Brit.
Brit and Justin Timberlake from the outside looked like the perfect couple but it did not work out and since then it seems like she has gone out of her way to date men who are not on her level in terms of fame and fortune.
May 1st, 2009 at 5:00 pm
Fantasy. Thanks for the help. It was with the Jan. 30th TRO docs but I forget there were two sets of documents.
I believe the statement (about Adnan) was made by Geraldine Wyle. She drew the documents for her clients.
May 1st, 2009 at 5:27 pm
Queen B. I’m not sure why Adnan is on your list. Ahem.
As for the others? Who hasn’t dated a couple of trolls? Who doesn’t have a best friend or girl friend who hasn’t dated a few trolls?
I don’t see definitive support for Britney being “someone who does the exact opposite of what people tell her to do.”
May 1st, 2009 at 5:40 pm
Other topics. Based on the language from the TROs I don’t think Adnan could talk to the press now if he wanted to.
What would he say? I think there is little he could say that wouldn’t be construed into trying to help Britney. Heaven forbid that something he might say influences or makes an impression on the public.
I wonder why the declarations by security and private investigators is not public record.
mmHmm.
May 1st, 2009 at 5:43 pm
Queen B., Fantasy, G, Ama, I am not discouraging what you were talking about.
I was thinking aloud after having gone searching for the one quote used against Adnan.
May 1st, 2009 at 5:49 pm
Fantasy. lol. You have me all being extra polite now I think for every time you apologized for interrupting.
I think there always tended to be more than one conversation going on here at a time.
Doc. I know you are busy but you are missed.
May 1st, 2009 at 6:00 pm
I just want to quickly respond to Queen B.
I see your point. Amethyst is right too.
Who hasn’t dated a troll or two? I am certainly
not exempt. I gotta ask you something. Be honest.
Would you say the same thing about Jessica Alba?
Her husband, Cash Warren, doesn’t come close to
having her fame or fortune. Financially as an
entrepreneur he does well by himself. His fame is
through association only. He’s Mr. Jessica Alba.
Looks like he’s okay with it.
Maybe Britney doesn’t date other celebs because
she’s done that already and just wants to be with
a regular guy. It’s not easy being one half of a
Hollywood power couple a la Brad and Angelina.
Despite what Britney does for a living she’s still
a down home girl. That’s what people love most
about her. She doesn’t think anyone is of a
lesser value than her. She treats everyone the
same. She wants that in a relationship it seems.
To be treated normal just like anyone else.
Maybe that’s how she felt with Adnan. Who knows.
May 1st, 2009 at 6:08 pm
Another question for ya Queenie.
An Adnan case question.
Why a continuance? What is it and who asked?
Is Monday the start of the prelim or something
other than that?
And what’s a preliminary hearing exactly?
I’m not familiar with the legal process.
When you can, fill me in on that.
Thanks.
May 1st, 2009 at 6:33 pm
It will be interesting to see how Queen, the lawyer, answers that Fantasy.
Humbly, I think the continuance was for time for Adnan’s team to prepare for the case. I am not sure if Chris Brown’s attorney did it for the same reason or was hoping Rihanna would go out of town and let the dust settle. Are both cases on the same day?
We still don’t know Queen’s area of practice.
May 1st, 2009 at 6:42 pm
Fantasy. Who was Princess Diana’s first love after her marriage fell apart? Wasn’t he a commoner?
Also, look at what Justin did with his fame, talent, and connections to hurt her.
I don’t think Spears is a snob. I never got that impression from her. Paris is a different story. Darn straight she will stay within her circles even if she has to raise the odd companion to be up there.
May 1st, 2009 at 6:42 pm
to hurt Britney I mean, not Diana.
May 1st, 2009 at 6:48 pm
‘Next week we’ll hear about Diana’s bodyguard lover who was “the greatest fella I’ve ever had,” and her belief he was “bumped off.”‘
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/12/01/opinion/main658552.shtml
May 1st, 2009 at 7:08 pm
‘In the tapes, to be broadcast on America’s NBC channel, the Princess is shown saying:
Her bodyguard was murdered for having an affair with her.
She begged the Queen for help over her husband’s affair with Camilla Parker Bowles, only to be dismissed with the comment “Charles is hopeless”.
…..
In the tapes the Princess says the road death of Sergeant Barry Mannakee, a married royal protection officer with whom she is thought to have had an affair, was “the biggest blow of my life.” She says: “It was all found out and he was chucked out. And then he was killed. And I think he was bumped off. But um, there we are. I don’t … we’ll never know … he was the greatest fella I ever had.”
May 1st, 2009 at 7:24 pm
The real Queen B (Britney Spears) was not alone.
‘On Monday NBC TV broadcast a second extract from tapes made by the princess with her voice coach Peter Settelen during the period when she was separating from Prince Charles.
She spoke, apparently only for private consumption, about being in love with the officer, who was removed from royal duties two years before he was killed while riding pillion on a motorcycle.
Although she did not name him, the princess spoke of falling “deeply in love with someone who worked in this environment”, taken to mean Mr Mannakee. She added that she considered moving away from the prince to live with him and voiced her suspicion that he had been “bumped off”.
Describing him as the greatest friend she had ever had, the princess said: “I was quite happy to give all this up … I just, you know, wore my heart on my sleeve. I was only happy when he was around.”‘
Unusual You
May 1st, 2009 at 7:26 pm
Fantasy-
I know that Brit is not a snob and obviously has no problem being with a regular guy but when you are as rich and successful as Brit is, at the back of your mind you have to wonder is that person with me because of me or because I am super rich. Also, a regular guy may not have the confidence to deal with all the media attention that comes with dating Brit.
People like Angelina Jolie and Beyonce don’t have to worry about that because their partners are on their level. Also, when Brit was with Kevin, she paid for everything even her own engagement ring which is something the man typically pays for.
I think that successful women like Brit have it harder than successful men. I think that a lot of men in Hollywood are insecure. One reason why I believe that Nick/Jessica and Ryan/Resse broke up is because the wife was so much more successful than the husband and the men could not handle it.
I do not care how hard Kevin tried to be the star, at the end of the day he was always going to be known as Brit’s husband and that may have caused problems since he wanted to be a star himself.
I think that successful women in Hollywood have two options: 1) date/marry men who are on their level or 2)date/marry someone who is the same industry but is content with being in the background and not in the spotlight so there is no competition. I’m thinking about Christina Aguilera or Brooke Shield’s husband.
I do not know who Brit should be with. Justin was not the right guy for her but neither was Kevin. At least with Justin, there is no way she would be paying $5000 a week to the take kids on tour in addition to 20,000 per month for child support.
May 1st, 2009 at 7:32 pm
I’m waiting for Queen to respond.
I think it’ll be interesting to hear her (or his)
answer. I say ‘his’ because some men are queens.
Meanwhile, I googled the word and I get it now.
I have Diana, Princess of Wales’ book that she
helped Andrew Morton with.
It’s a bio but it’s the closest we have to an
autobiography so I often call it her book.
It says that Mannakee
was transferred to other duties in July 1986.
This was shortly before the wedding of Prince
Andrew and Sarah Ferguson.
The princess must have felt like Britney does. Isolated and lonely.
Do you see similarities in their lives? I do.
May 1st, 2009 at 7:34 pm
Fantasy-
Every defendant has a right under the US Constitution to a Speedy Trial. Most defendants however waive that right because they are not ready for trial and need more time to prepare. So instead of saying “Yes, your Honor I’m ready to go to trial next”, most attorneys request and are granted a contiuance. The case will be contiuned to some date in the future which allows the defense more time to investigate the case or to negotiate a plea bargain if necessary.
A preliminary hearing is also known as a probable cause hearing. The court’s focus is on determining whether there is probable cause to hold the defendant over a trial. Probable cause is a much lower threshold than proof beyond a reasonable doubt so the odds are that the court will find that there is probable cause unless the case is totally weak or the evidence was illegally obtained.
I’m pretty sure the DA can establish that there is probable cause that Adnan committed the crimes (police report/Ram’s statement) he is accused of but I have no idea whether the DA can prove its case beyond a reasonable doubt after all you have to convince 12 jurors.
May 1st, 2009 at 7:47 pm
Thank you, Queen B.
Now I’m going to stop beating around the bush.
I shouldn’t ask. You’re allowed to have privacy.
And remain anonymous. But since you said you’re
an attorney and we ask you legal questions you
have to expect that some of us *cough cough*-me-
have doubted you being what you say you are.
Question is are you really an attorney?
Now I will never know if you’re being honest.
Still, it doesn’t hurt to ask.
Questions 2 and 3.
What is the base of your interest in Britney/JFX?
Gosh, I’m nosey as heck today.
Waiting…..
May 1st, 2009 at 8:03 pm
Question 1- Yes, I am an attorney. I graduated last year and passed the July 2008 CA bar exam and I am licensed to practice law. Like a lot of recent grads,I have had a difficult time finding a job in this poor economy which is why is spend a lot of time on the internet
Question 2- My interest in Brit has to do with the conservatorship. I have found the legal proceedings quite interesting. I’ve been following Brit’s conservatorship and custody case since 2007. I like reading the legal papers and analyzing the arguments. Some of the issues that have come up in Brit’s case like Eardley’s removal of the case to federal court are issues I reviewed in law school.
Question 3,
I discovered JFX through Perez Hilton. PH had the audio tapes and so I wanted to find the source. I really like this website and the discussion section more than those at X-17 and TMZ. I really do not like X-17 because of their association with Lufti and I do not like TMZ because Harvey Levin has shown himself to be a nasty individual who has no morals so I figure if I want to keep myself update on Brit’s legal battles, JFX is a good place to go.
May 1st, 2009 at 8:16 pm
Cool. Thanks again, Queen B.
May 1st, 2009 at 8:23 pm
Queen B.
Please don’t take my prying for disrespect.
I just asked because, you know, because.
I just chose to ask you instead of, you know, not
asking. Anyway it’s good to have you here.
May 1st, 2009 at 8:51 pm
I concur Fantasy. It’s good to have Queen B. here and another voice.
I did see Edawg the other day. I’m not sure why she’s not coming over here. Maybe it’s just too much information or not a light visit.
I wish Adnan more than luck on Monday.
Queen B. Sorry about the economy. That sucks!
So Monday. Does Addy get an automatic right to a trial by jury or will his attorney need to fight for it? Yea! You are in California. Maybe you will develop a sleuth bug and start pulling files downtown.
It’s a beeze trying to do this long distance.
I have hope that Adnan, having to testify maybe, will bring more truth to light. Camp Spears isn’t directly involved (save seeding the media) but you never know their power to have a closed hearing or documents sealed.
Did you happen to see this interesting article re some sealed cases in L.A.?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/24/AR2009042402657.html
Fantasy. You weren’t the only one to wonder.
May 1st, 2009 at 8:52 pm
‘xcusa. I meant I saw Edawg on another thread on JFX and I invited her over.
May 1st, 2009 at 9:24 pm
Fantasy. The Queen B and Lady Diana? Isolated and lonely, you got that right.
Queen B. In your analysis did you consider that Britney doesn’t and/or didn’t have the highest self-esteem when she took up with K-Fed or some of the others?
Again, I exclude Adnan. I think he was only good for her self-esteem and independence once he crossed to the other side but what do I know? I don’t!
May 1st, 2009 at 11:36 pm
AM-
A defendant is a criminal case has a constitutional right to a jury trial, but the defendant can waive his right to a jury trial but I doubt Adnan would do that since most people rather put their fate in the hands of 12 strangers than a judge. The best case scenario would be an acquittal but a hung jury would work out too.
In terms of testifying, most lawyers would prefer that their clients not take the stand because they can unknowingly say things that hurt their case. The jury is not allowed to infer guilt based on the defendant’s exercise of 5th Amendment right against self incrimination.
Adnan may have to testify because unless there were some witnesses around, Adnan is the only person who can explain what happened from his point of view.
May 1st, 2009 at 11:45 pm
I am thankful, Queen B., thank you.
Things are pretty bad I think. I worry additionally about the media and their influence on a jury.
I think some of us may now believe in the the influence by the media.
Thanks very much, Queen B. You sound like a lawyer. I hope the economy improves.
May 1st, 2009 at 11:49 pm
AM-
You asked if I think Brit had low self esteem when she hooked up with Kevin. The thing about Brit is that from the outside she had everything: looks, wealth, fame, millions of fans and she was at the top of her game in 2004. She could have gottten any man but instead she hooked up with Kevin.
I will never understand her attraction. Kevin was an okay looking guy but at that time he had 1 child and another on the way. The fact alone would have turned me off but it did not bother Brit. On “Chaotic” Brit said that the sex was great but you can’t base an entire relationship on that.
I’m no psychiatrist but I think a lot of Brit’s issues have to do with her childhood. We all know Jamie had a drinking problem and who knows how that affected. I feel that Brit accomplished so much at such young age that she was just ready to start a family at 22 and I did not really matter who it was as long as it was not some “Hollywood” guy who be with her and dump her like JT.
Adnan/Brit appeared to have good chemistry but there were so many forces against their relationship (Lufti/Jamie) that it could never flourish. I wonder if Adnan will wait for Brit or will he just move on. Nobody knows what is in Brit’s heart and once she is back in control she may run to him but will he be there.
May 2nd, 2009 at 12:40 am
Queen B. I have nothing to cite but I seem to remember reading that she’d have a great performance but come off stage thinking it wasn’t good enough or that she was horrible.
As for her childhood, it’s interesting to note that Lynne made note of seeing a psychologist or counselor of a sort and that Britney was going to be screwed up (based on her relationship with her father). I paraphrase.
Like you, I wouldn’t have found a man expecting a child attractive. Why didn’t it go through her mind that he would treat her exactly as he was treating Char? Hope?
Maybe he made her feel cool and preferred. I guess her dad never made her feel that way. Mine did. I felt special. I beamed. Did she feel special? Must have been hard with the world telling her she was and her dad.. out on a binge.
I still think one of her earlier auditions showed cruelty. She belted it out but look how sad or tired or resolved she seems after. That’s no kid feeling she was “special.” That was a kid at work. A tired kid at work. A kid who thought the person who taped that thing could do things…had power over her. ‘Again, Britney. Again, now this time…’
sick. Such a strange response in she. No happiness. Have you seen the tape I refer to?
May 2nd, 2009 at 12:42 am
Queen B, it is really nice to read your thoughts.
As for Britney/Kevin, I’ve always believed she marreid him because of a deep desire to have a family. I could be reading too much into it, but I’m not sure she felt she was part of one. That is sad to think.
I also believe her problems are centered around her childhood.
I am going to ask the dumbest, stupidest, craziest question, but LOL, I don’t care, so here goes: If the c-ship doesn’t end anytime soon, can the case be brought to the attention of the state attorney general or even the ACLU? I know, my train of thought is crazy, but I really was wondering.
May 2nd, 2009 at 12:45 am
AM—I don’t think I’ve seen that tape.
Queen B–I wish you the best during these hard times.
Be back in about 20 minutes.
May 2nd, 2009 at 12:56 am
I don’t know what she was thinking when it came to a married man with children. Maybe he was divorced at the time. What matter.
I am not holier than thou by any means just I did get to a point of thinking if a man would treat a girl (his ex or other) then it would repeat.
But I didn’t really learn this until my early 30s. Who even thinks about such things until then? It’s innocence.
You buy the b.s. maybe that he doesn’t get along with his wife anyway, that they haven’t had sex since, that they are ….
I was dumb enough to fall for some of that stuff too. Why would anyone lie to me?
I have a divorced friend who can provide a litany of lies told to her by men in an effort to sleep with her and then not “forever.”
Queen B. I can’t judge Britney Spears even if she is supposed to be way up there and within a circle of what? It’s nothing I aspire to. I am happy with my man and content in my circle, enough anyway. I’m not fulfilled but content enough not to do anything stupid. Part of the problem is the economy and part of the problem is having moved so many times over my young life.
Everything is a rebuild or a building up. I feel bad for Spears.
May 2nd, 2009 at 1:19 am
SH-
If the conservatorship does not end soon, I do not believe that the AG or the ACLU will take the case for many reasons. First, on its face the conservatorship is not illegal. People are put under conservatorships everyday and CA law allows for it.
Brit’s situation has certainly shined a light on it but what has happened to Brit is happening to thousands of lesser known people. Secondly, the ACLU would have no right to bring a case on Brit’s behalf because Brit does not have the right to hire outside counsel.
In order to bring a case, you must have standing. Standing means that you have been personally affected by whatever legal decision. Attorneys do not have the right to bring cases just because they disagree with the legal proceeding therefore the ACLU can not help Brit unless she retains them.
The only people who have the right to petition to end the conservatorship are the conservators or Brit’s court appointed attorney.
May 2nd, 2009 at 1:38 am
Sorry I took longer than I said…I was looking for something.
Thanks Queen B.
AM—women fall for it all because we think we can change them.
Good night everyone.
Have a fun weekend.
May 2nd, 2009 at 1:56 pm
>>>The only people who have the right to petition to end the conservatorship are the conservators or Brit’s court appointed attorney.
I don’t think that’s the case. Look up CA law on it.
May 2nd, 2009 at 1:56 pm
Here’s a question—Will we ever hear the 3rd audio tape? There were three, right?
May 2nd, 2009 at 1:58 pm
oh excuse me. i was reading about replacing not ending.
May 2nd, 2009 at 2:33 pm
MH. I think that you are right. I thought I put up a doc from the LA Superior Court that showed a friend or family member could petition a c-ship?
——
About trolls. I was thinking about one that I dated when I was 19 or 20.
I was in college and no one was asking me out. Some friends suggested it was because I was outgoing or intimidating.. anyway, this guy was in the dorm room below mine. He was a talented writer and he made me laugh, alot. At first. But ultimately he was a p—k to women. He was my first experience at that. While I did learn something from it, I unfortunately fell for tall, dark and handsome, who also turned out not to be good for me. It lasted five years. I hope Rihanna will be able to make better choices. Brown may never hit her again but you never really recover from that first one and Brown’s controlling behavior is not going to disappear.
So I think dating a troll or someone that raises questions by others as to the attraction or worth can happen fairly easily especially when a girl, especially a nice girl (someone who wants to help others or has compassion or tries to understand), wants something, i.e., to date, have a boyfriend, enjoy the college experience. Brit wanted the family and marriage experience.
I don’t know if any of this sharing sheds insight into some of Britney’s choices in men but .. I guess it sort of hurts when others cast stones.
It is so much easier when one finally gets it right or close enough to right because then everyone supports you and treats you like you’re a smart thinker.
So Queen. On Monday the parties will show up, decisions will be formalized as to a trial, dates set as to jury selection and probably nothing more?
May 2nd, 2009 at 2:53 pm
Or, borrowing from Brown’s case is this just a preliminary hearing?
‘If convicted, the possible sentence for Mr Brown could range from probation to more than four years in prison.
“The hope is that the parties can resolve the matter without the necessity for a preliminary hearing or trial,” said Rihanna’s attorney Donald Etra.
“But apparently, it looks like we’re on track for a preliminary hearing.” ‘
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8026249.stm
May 2nd, 2009 at 2:56 pm
Small. Yes, three tapes, but I wonder… if JFX or anyone else now were to air the third tape, would they be charged with trying to derail the conservatorship instead of providing entertainment news or doing the public a service?
May 2nd, 2009 at 2:58 pm
MH-
I realize that there are other people out there who could end the conservatorship but realistically what family member or friend is going to do it. I get the feeling that Goetz is tired of outsiders like Eardley and Lufti interfering with the case so a petition from a “friend” is unlikely to be approved and remember the only friends Brit has right now are those individuals who have been approved by Jamie.
In regards to family, it is doubtful that Jamie Lynn, Bryan or Lynne will make a motion to end the conservatorship. They are all on Jamie’s team. So realistically, the only way to the end the conservatorship is through the conservators or Ingham. If Bryan wanted to do something, there is nothing stopping him from doing so.
AM-
I really do not see much happening at court. I believe that this will be Adnan’s second court appearance so the parties are not even close to setting a trial date or jury selection. I am pretty sure Adnan’s defense team is not through with discovery or investigating the case. I would be surprised if Adnan goes to trial anytime soon since he most likely has waived his right to a Speedy Trial.
May 2nd, 2009 at 4:52 pm
Just going over some fine print.
Did Christina Lutfi testify about anything that had directly to do with Adnan? I don’t remember any mention in the news. I don’t remember her speaking about Adnan in her interview with Radaronline.
Jamie Spears made a serious allegation about Adnan and his character in the Notice of Hearing and TRO. Wyle may have written it for him but he made an accusation about Adnan letting paps know where Britney would be and then financially profiting from the arrangement.
Spears testified in court (according to Harriet Ryan, LA Times) that when he asked Britney about the phone, that she had said that someone had given it to her at the Peninsula Hotel. That someone told her that the phone was from Adnan and Sam.
Was it? Or did Britney get the phone and begin speed dialing Adnan?
Hmm… I missed this the first time. ‘In his testimony, Jamie Spears said the illicit phone as well as records of her home phone indicated his daughter had tried to call and send text messages to Ghalib and Lutfi.’
I didn’t realize she had used the home phone as well. But that risk would have been before the Nokia, right?
I am leaning into believing that Adnan wasn’t more guilty than saying I love you and ‘what else was low for you today’ similar to the Squideygate tapes. If he said I will do anything to help you, that would have been in line for a romance or friendship.
May 2nd, 2009 at 4:54 pm
Queen. I guess that means he’ll stay out of jail for perhaps a long while more.
I wonder that Britney could offer any unique testimony to that night. She would have been a confidante of his and they both went through trauma the night Adnan was stabbed.
May 2nd, 2009 at 6:09 pm
Hi guys. I was trying to abstain from posting for
the day but I can’t help myself.
About Christina Lutfi. I’m confused. When she was
on the stand when did she say that she gave Britney the pre-paid cell phone?
In the Radaronline interview she said she gave it
to Britney “toward the end of December” (2008).
I watched the intv. again today.
Christina said that Britney called her asking if
Sam could get her a new atty. (to replace Ingham).
Christina relayed the message to Sam.
Britney and Christina talked again and Britney
asked Christina if she could get her a phone.
So, instead of getting a new atty. Sam got her a
pre-paid phone? Christina never once mentioned
Adnan. Did she say Adnan when she was on the
witness stand? I don’t know. Do you?
When in the winter was Britney at the hotel?
C.Lutfi says toward the end of December.
But Britney was in her hometown from around Dec.
27 or 28, 2008 until Jan.2 or 3, 2009. Britney
was caught with the phone a few weeks later.
So it was Britney making the call to Christina
who told Sam about her conversations with Britney
and Sam, through his sister, got Britney a phone
and that’s when he and Britney began to have
contact again?
Did Britney ever talk to Sam directly?
Or was Sam contacting Jamie or the hair stylist?
See, I’m confused.
I’m with Amapola. I just can’t see Adnan giving
Lutfi the time of day or taking a call from Sam
and being the middle man.
Queen B said that perhaps Jamie believes there
was some sort of alliance between Sam and Adnan.
But I find it hard to believe though.
As for the phone calls. Are there records of the
conversations between Britney and Sam?
Between Britney and Adnan? What do they mean?
Did she not erase her text messages that she got
or sent? Or is there just a record that she called
or texted Sam and or Adnan?
Whew. Okay. Done.
May 2nd, 2009 at 6:16 pm
I don’t know if it’s true or not, but I was under
the impression that Britney had asked Ingham to
petition to end the c-ship and he would not do it.
And that is why she turned to Sam/Christina.
Do I make sense at all?
Queen B, what can Britney do when she’s done
touring and still wants out of the c-ship but
Jamie, Wallet, and Ingham are still being asses
and won’t petition for her?
She needs someone. She can’t do it by herself.
I know you said only the conservators or Ingham.
But if they don’t help her who can or will that
the judge will likely side with?
There’s got to be hope for Britney.
May 2nd, 2009 at 8:24 pm
Fantasy. Lots of questions and every one of them good to my mind anyhow.
I don’t have alot of time to write right now and oc I always hope others will donate their time and opinion.
As for refraining from comments or being here, I’ve gotten over it Fantasy, for the most part, but the I hope to do something productive with all of the time I have spent here.
I have felt a range of things in being here from guilt to what-the-hell am I doing, to .. just plain trashing myself for the time spent here: I can’t give up the case. I used to find it alot more frustrating in not being able to doing anything. Just raising questions and keeping the cameras alive on Camp Spears and Kaplan, shines the light on the truth.
The only real times I have been successful in not posting here or reading up were when I was not home, could not figure out how to log in at a distance or had a house full hogging the computer, really needed time off, or to honor a Sunday STOP one time by all everyone on the board.
I have found it to be more than addicting. The other day I was working on something very stressful and I kept taking a few breaks here to relax.
Now I feel I am in a position to do something to somehow make the truth come out. To now have a legitimate reason to make calls and ask questions is a boon.
aw, you’re not alone. Some of us post alot more than others and of course I would be in the “alot” category. I have anxiety about that sometimes when I’ve relaxed when I’ve seen others do it. When you are here alone you’re here alone but the questions and analysis and asking for a second pair of eyes doesn’t discontinue.
Oh. And thanks for opening me to the possibility that there may be queens here other than Queen B. I went with the demographic that most of us are women. It doesn’t matter except that variety and varied perspectives is wonderful.
Have a good night. I might be back later. I am off to be with friends, good food, etc. Oh. And now I don’t have to feel bad if someone asks me what I have been up to, and I do have some friends who haven’t been put off by this Britney thing or feel it necessary to say something nasty about her. Everyone has an opinion no matter how remote they are from any real information about her and few know enough to be able to offer an informed opinion. It’s been isolating and kind of hurtful at times but I’ve always been one to stand alone in an interest. Support is grand you know but otherwise I got to do what I got to do.
May 2nd, 2009 at 8:35 pm
Fantasy. See how terrible I am? I got to go I swear but had a thought in what I could share.
Here’s what I learned. The data recorded within the court room stays with the court room reporter. It isn’t automatically transcribed. You find the court reporter, you call them up and expect to wait 48 hours. I have near given up on the one I left two messages with.
You get a quote (if on a budget) and you order the transcript, cheaper if someone did it before you.
Somewhere in the court actions available free online (do you want to know how so you can do it yourself?) I think TMZ asked for a transcript from the judge. I am wondering if that was for a hearing from behind closed doors.
Also. We need to be wary of articles that seem to be from courtroom proceedings themselves where the journalist was there and from when there were not. Read E! and OK from the hearing on April 21st and it reads as though they were there. I mean I had no reason to doubt it so wondered by the AP, LA Times and company didn’t write about it.
It remains a mystery why TMZ, RadarOnline, and X17 didn’t cover it as they thrive on courtrooms and Hollywood gossip.
Well. I guess we are going to be late where we are going.
The truth is, that without the transcripts? I trust and believe no one. I think the AP still has the best coverage but there are these little unnecessary commentaries such as Britney apparently approving the permanent c-ship. What a damage that has done.
May 2nd, 2009 at 11:51 pm
AM/Fantasy-
Ingham is Brit’s court appointed attorney-he represents her and no one else. If Brit asks Ingham to petition to end the conservatorship and he does not, that is a major ethical violation.
Under the rules of professional responsibility, the client (Spears) defines the scope of the representation and the attorney determines the tactics. So if Brit wants the conservatorship to end, it is up to Ingham to make that happen. Even if the client is under a conservatorship that does not mean that he should not listen to her.
Ingham told the court last year that Brit did not object to the conservatorship being permanent, if that it is not true, he lied and could lose his law license but I suspect he did not lie.
I guess the real question is how much communication does Brit have Ingham and when she speaks with him does she tell him the truth. It is entirely possible that she does not want the conservatorship but also feels that if it is gone her visitation with her children would be diminished.
I feel that Brit may have missed her chance to challenge the conservatorship when she met with Goetz last year in chambers. That meeting was her opportunity to say how she really feels and if she did not, the conservatorship will continue indefinitely.
Also, FYI- I am a woman. I did not state but I am a girl.
May 3rd, 2009 at 12:12 am
AM-
You asked and raised a lot of questions regarding Christina, Lufti, Adnan and the phone. Thinking about it, I do not think that Adnan in any was working with Lufti. I will never forget Lufti lying to the X-17 paps telling them that Brit got a restraining order against Adnan which was totally false. He is a such a liar. In response to the PRO, Lufti claimed that he had never had any direct contact with Brit and that Adnan had all the communication. He blamed Adnan for everything.
For some reason, Brit contacted Lufti who in turned told his sister to get the phone to Brit. Once Brit had the phone it makes sense that she would call Adnan.
In regard to Jamie’s allegations, because Adnan did not challenge the PRO, Jamie never had to prove his claims in court and the judge took them as true. I certainly believe that Lufti/Eardley were working to undermine the conservatorship but Adnan can be put in the category of those two men.
May 3rd, 2009 at 12:21 am
Correction- Adnan CANNOT be put in the same category as Lufti/Eardley.
The problem with the conservatorship is that so much is happening behind closed doors in chambers. Good luck to anyone trying to get information from the court.
I remember when the parties discussed expanding the tour, 2 hours were spent in chambers and only five minutes was spent in open court. All of Brit’s medical information is sealed which is understandable but the public will be left to wonder what evidence does the court base its decision to keep the conservatorship permanent on.
May 3rd, 2009 at 2:37 am
What were the words? It’s so long ago now but were the words? That she unwillingly went along with the perm c-ship and that it was noted?
What were the words? That she was unhappy but did not oppose it?
There were words. Do all of us or most of us remember better the AP’s report “apparently she approves” or do we remember her objection?
What were the words?
May 3rd, 2009 at 2:48 am
Queen B. Your words make sense however please consider California law.
If she doesn’t think she is ill and doesn’t want certain drugs, then she is a refuser.
Her rights are gone. An attorney signs whatever the physician signed and it’s all gone, from Feb. 2008.
Refuser.
Capacity may not be your area but may it’s a new field for you, a passion even.
If a physician says Britney doesn’t want these drugs? Ingham is off the hook for honoring Britney’s case. She is afterall, a refuser.
Jamie doesn’t have to crush up pills. She was willful. Opposed.
Read Ryan’s article again. She states that Britney opposes her dad. I don’t have the article in hand tonight but it is there for you to find.
Jamie blames Lutfi and Adnan for poisoning his daughter against him.
May 3rd, 2009 at 2:59 am
If I were to accept you viewpoint about Ingham?
Then I would have to believe Britney is happy with the situation. Comfortable, accommodating, yet this is the third time in 14 months Britney has tried to hire her own attorney? Which one is fact? These men acted without hearing from her?
The girl is unhappy and no closer to real custodial rights than she was before.
Talked in to quitting her pursuit of custodial rights and time, talked into ceding her rights to a trial by jury as to the c-ship and talked into what else? Tour? They failed at talking her into not seeing Adnan.
May 3rd, 2009 at 7:12 am
Morning. Amethyst, I don’t remember the exact words that were said.
I looked back at posts from different site from
October 28, 2008. I’ll post the links later.
(I hope they work.) My understanding of what I
read is that the ruling granted by Goetz “allows
people controlling Britney’s affairs (Jamie and
Wallet and others)some say in her professional
career.” Immediately I thought, “Hmm. Sounds like
a 2010 cd and tour could be in the future, No?”
More of the Huffington Post story said that the
court-appointed attorney said the details had been
explained…and apparently she agreed to not
oppose it. The move came after a lengthy closed-
chambers meeting, and follows a RECENT MEDICAL
EVALUATION of the singer.”
First, excuse the caps. I was trying to stress it.
So, does this mean that there were 2 evaluations
last year? February 2008 and when was the other.
Or were ther still referring to the Feb. 08 eval?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/28/britney-spears-dad-get-p_n_138716.html
May 3rd, 2009 at 7:27 am
People seem to think that Britney has 50/50
custody or will have a chance at regaing custody
while the c-ship is in effect.
I think that’s wrong.
I’ll repeat what we already know.
Britney does NOT have custody. I’m annoyed that
people still think that. Queen B, visitaion is
just visitation and custody is different. Right?
People think that because the boys are with her 3
days a week and 1 overnight visit then that means
more than what it is.
Britney has no say over their education or health
care, which is what she’d be allowed to have a say
in if she had legal custody. Right?
Just because the boys visit that doesn’t mean she
has physical custody. She doesn’t.
May 3rd, 2009 at 7:52 am
Queen B is right that Britney missed her chance to
tell how she really felt. TMZ said that instead she talked about not being able to see Adnan, her dad won’t allow it. And she “complained” that
her dad won’t let her go out, especially when she wants to go clubbing at night. And she told that
she didn’t understand why her dad won’t let her
take the kids out during the day.
If I can find the link I’ll post it.
TMZ made Britney sound like a spoiled brat who
still wasn’t, as they put it “contrite” about the
behavior that led to the c-ship. Say What?!
If she is mentally ill like the say she is, then
why would she have to be contrite for her behavior
if this illness is something she didn’t ask for.
She could have been genetically predisposed to
certain mental disorders. Didn’t Jamie’s mom
have a major depression that ultimately drove her
to take her own life?
Not everything that happened to Britney is her
fault. Some things she should take responsibility
for but there’s Sam Lutfi who also is to blame
for a lot of shiz. Let’s not forget that.
May 3rd, 2009 at 8:06 am
If the ruling for having the c-ship to go permanent had to do with a recent evaluation then it could be that somewhere is a 2nd eval.
Are the evaluations done twice a year?
What about 2009? Evaluation for 2009, yes or no?
If and when Britney is deemed sufficiently healthy
it could be that her finances is still the thing
that needs more and longer attention.
There’s going to have to be a balance in the
conservatorship: medical and financial.
In other words,if Britney’s mental health as of
today has significantly improved so well that
medically speaking a c-ship isn’t necessary for
her person it could be that her financial
problems are still is too complicated.
And that could be holding up ending the c-ship.
More than anything it seems like that’s what it’ll
ultimately come down to: her money.
I think that’s where the focus needs to be.
May 3rd, 2009 at 10:27 am
AM-
I remember when there was court hearing about the conservatorship becoming permanent and Goetz said she was under the impression that Brit “reluctantly” agree to the permanent conservatorship. I’m assuming that Ingham told Goetz about what Brit said. Check Eonline for the exact quote and more info.
Under ABA Model Rule 1.14(a): ” When a client’s capacity to make adequately considered decisions in connection with a representation is diminsihed, whether because of minority, mental impairment or for some other reason, the lawyer shall, as far as reasonably possible, maintain a normal client-lawyer relationship with the client.”
Under a normal client-lawyer relationship, the lawyer discusses the case with his client and gets the client’s opinion as to what should/needs to be done. Brit has the right to expess her opinions whether anyone will do what she says is another. In the eyes of the court, Brit is like a child.The judge will take what Brit wants into account but will ultimately make a decision based on what she feels is best for Brit.
I believe that Brit’s mental state is being continuously evaluated but the exact issue of capacity has not been specifically addressed since 2/2008. It is entirely possible that the judge has reviewed the most recent psychiatric report and feels that Brit still does not have the mental capacity to hire an attorney.
Here is the main problem- Brit is not being honest. Brit is telling one story to Blair Berk, Ingham etc. and one story to Lufti/Eardley. How can Blair Berk testify that Brit wants nothing to do with Eardley and yet Eardley states that Brit has authorized him to represent her. Somebody is lying.
May 3rd, 2009 at 10:42 am
Fantasy-
I think the biggest misconception that Brit fans have is that she has 50/50 custody which is not true. I think that they would like to believe it is true because it makes them feel like Brit’s life is improving.
First, Brit only has the kids 3 days out of 7 which is 42%. Secondly, she does not even have them for three full days because she only has two overnight visits so Brit has the kids less than 35% of the time which means that the kids spend more than half of their time with Kevin. Based on the numbers Kevin has physical custody and Brit only has visitation.
What is even more important than physical custody is legal custody which Brit will never have while under the conservatorship and will be difficult to regain even after the conservatorship ends.
Legal cusotdy refers to the person who makes the medical, religious and educational decisions for the children. As of right now, Brit has no input on those areas. If Kevin wants to, he can talk to Brit’s dad but really Kevin and Jamie are the driver’s set and Brit is in the back seat. Did Kevin consult Brit before he enrolled them in that school in the Valley. No? The children’s doctors are doctors that Kevin chose which is why they are in the Valley. I remember seeing a photo of Jamie and the nanny taking the boys to a doctor near where Kevin lives. Did Brit agree to give Kevin 5k a week during the tour? No, Jamie decided that.
People think that Brit no longer has monitored visits but that is false. Brit’s nanny, the one who told Jamie about the secret prepaid cell phone, is Jamie’s eyes and ears. I’m pretty sure that the nanny spends the night when the boys are at her house.
The bottom line is that conservatorship equals no custody.
May 3rd, 2009 at 8:38 pm
Good afternoon Fantasy and Queen B.
Queen B., thank you for the word reluctantly. It points back to pre-perm c-ship.
Fantasy. When you think about perm c-ship, please remember that an attorney was trying to subpoena Britney Spears from Orange County, Florida.
I think the TMZ you were looking for is http://www.tmz.com/2008/11/24/britney-wants-daddy-to-lay-off/
I’m not sure what either of you mean by Britney missed her chance to speak out. Did she edit FTR herself? Did she give TMZ an exclusive interview? Even if she had TMZ is not bound by any code of journalistic ethics.
Seek the truth, minimize harm.
Act independently (”journalists should be free of obligation to any interest other than the public’s right to know.” Does this sound like TMZ, E!, People, OK!, X17? A journalism should, “be vigilant and courageous about holding those with power accountable.”).
A journalist should be accountable. (admit to mistakes, take responsibility for actions, decisions, and so on. A journalist should, “Invite dialogue with the public over journalistic conduct.”)
This is all from school from this semester. It’s what I strive to achieve. It’s what I look for now in media, even the “credible” carriers.
Who led exhalers and others into believing Britney had 50% custody?
Who led you to believe Fantasy, all that TMZ claimed? They give us just enough truth to hold on and keep coming back, but they can use us as strawberries themselves. No we don’t get any pay such as $$ but information .. hits like addicts.
Steel. If you are around what’s happening in your case? Send us a link if you like.
Anyway, I have read about psychiatric evaluations… but what if the scuttle that came out on celebrity news channels has any truth and that Britney is suspicious of the drugs she is receiving? Nodding off for example.
Then she remains a refuser. (Queen B., maybe you will find your niche through this case.) If she’s a refuser then she lacks capacity. There never needs to be an evaluation as to capacity to understand legal proceedings, does there?
Queen B., can you explain that if there is a court investigator he or she is never mentioned since Feb 2008? Oh. Closed hearings? Closed reviews? ohmy.
I promise to talk to a c-ship expert in the next weeks and Fantasy? I will be discreet in terms of what I post here and what I print outside of here.
I think for the purpose of discussion it would be helpful to get some facts from the experts.
“Can’t I find a new psychiatrist to get the babies back?” She didn’t like the drugs as purportedly fed to her by Sam per Lynne. She could easily have become a “refuser” and lost capacity to Sam and Deborah Nagel (sp? sorry)
In summary, I am no expert on anything but I am trying to get the detailed picture.
Funny. If one consider journalism ethics one wonders why there hasn’t been a single fair article on Adnan Ghalib? Was he “newsworthy?”
Didn’t the AP say to their staff (ok, guys, on a blog I am allowed to be a person, to paraphrase, to opine, hell, I am Amethyst Mine not ______ _. _______.) that anything Britney was … of interest.
Queen B. if you remember any key words? I keep bringing up her obit. No worries. Just asking if you happen to think of it.
May 3rd, 2009 at 8:40 pm
‘Fantasy. When you think about perm c-ship, please remember that an attorney was trying to subpoena Britney Spears from Orange County, Florida.’
Perm c-ship prevented this and anyone else from putting her on the witness stand.
I think at least one news source printed that it perm c-ship protected her from legal proceedings.
May 3rd, 2009 at 10:57 pm
AM-
There has been so much misinformation put out by various people regarding Brit’s case. In my opinion, People has proven to be the most reliable followed by Eonline because they often publish the legal documents. X-17 and TMZ are totally biased and can’t be trusted.
I stopped visiting TMZ after they published the Rihanna photo. I mean, what goes through Harvey Levin’s mind when he put that photo on the internet. There was absolutely no concern for Rihanna’s privacy or her well being. I also had a problem with TMZ’s Alec Baldwin tape.
You want to know why the Exhalers believe Brit has 50/50 custody. TMZ. Here is a link-http://www.tmz.com/2009/02/09/britney-will-tour-with-kiddies/. TMZ claims Brit has in effect has 50/50 custody but that is a lie and I can prove it with the following document- http://images.eonline.com/static/news/pdf/BritneyFinances.pdf. On page 10, the attorneys for the conservatorship state that since the conservatorship Brit now has “substantial visitation with her childern including overnight visits”.
It is crystal clear that Brit DOES NOT have custody. In CA you either have custody or visitation. Kevin did not agree to give Brit custody, he only agreed to give her expanded visitation. Kevin’s goal from day 1 was to get sole legal and physical custody of the boys so if you think he is just going to agree to give up custody and the power that comes with that think again.
I do not know why TMZ chose to perpetuate this myth except that it makes it seem like everything is back to normal and it most certainly is not. If Brit’s visitation is contingent upon being under a conservatorship, then there has been no improvement.
Last July, the conservators agreed to Kevin maintaining sole custody of the boys in exchange for Brit gaining expanded visitation. TMZ said at that time that custody was not even an issue because no one under a conservatorship can get custody so TMZ lastest story does not match up with its earliest story. Since Brit is still under a conservatorship, she still does not have custody.
May 3rd, 2009 at 11:18 pm
As of right now, I do not believe that there is currently a probate investigator assigned to Brit’s case. The last investigator I know of was Ingham. There is so much secrecy surrounding this case. We only find out about what has happened when there has been a ruling but have no idea what the judge has based her opinion on. The last thing I remember was Goetz debating whether to expand the tour to Europe and the next thing I know the tour dates have already been annouced.
The next big court date is in August which is when the court will rule on Wright’s motion to depose Spears. Not only do the conservators have to worry about Wright’s lawsuit but Lufti’s lawsuit as well. As long as the conservatorship is present, any lawyer will face difficulties getting within three feet of Spears.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:48 am
Adnan is like the magnifying glass. We get to peek at all this fraternity groups. From the pinstripe suits to all the private investigative groups. Brothers at arms. Too bad Queen B, theres a lot to learns from all of this. But you yourself have made reservations regarding Lutfi and Eardley. I read your opinion about them but at the end of the day, was justice serve no matter who it was.
All I can say is that the magnifyinf glass is bigger today than it was last week. Rest assure that theres no stone left unturned. Everyone is being watched. Even the most powerful who holds the faith of the unworthy.
May 4th, 2009 at 9:51 am
Mark, do you mean the faith or the fate of the
unworthy? Well, I’m glad that you’re talking here.
In your own way, I find you to be an eloquent
speaker. I don’t understand all that you say.
Especially with the videos. But that’s okay. Trying to guess what you mean isn’t so bad.
Like when you say the pinstripe suits, I think of
high powered attorney’s wearing their finest Versace in the courtroom.
You’re right when you say that everyone is being
watched. I think that does include Jamie.
I didn’t know that Uncle Reggie has control over
the Louisiana assets. It really is all in the
family, huh.
I don’t know exactly what will happen at court
today with Adnan. I’ll say it again. I wish him
luck. I really mean that. I’ll be waiting for some
news about his case. If any at all.
Again, good to see you back MT.
Enjoy the day everybody.
May 4th, 2009 at 10:05 am
I know I just left. Sorta. But, question.
Since when did Jordan become so chummy with Leber?
It’s like they’re bff’s.
Anyone have info on this? Amethyst, do you know?
May 4th, 2009 at 11:12 am
Good Luck Adnan.
May 4th, 2009 at 11:14 am
Powerful post MT…leaves room for hope.
May 4th, 2009 at 11:25 am
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/05/britney-spears-ex-face-judge-3-felony-charges
May 4th, 2009 at 11:44 am
Ah Fantasy, were finally saying hello. Faith/Fate which one would you like. I like Faith. Word out on the street is that 3 different Israeli agency was used to keep an eye or keep post of Mr. Ghalib. Their lawyer who is a also the same invited TMZ as their special guest in the court room last time. See the special connection with Adnan so far. This witch hunt is just so dirty, I love it so. The script is simply amazing.
May 4th, 2009 at 12:50 pm
Mark, now that you mention it I first read about
the continuance that Adnan was given last month on
TMZ. I just checked there too and there’s a live
stream set up. They are already there.
Live inside the courthouse. Yes, it’s amazing.
May 4th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
From the live stream inside the courthouse I didn’t see anything. But I heard a man (atty.?/Adnan’s atty.?) say that there shouldn’t
be cameras inside the courtroom. The man cited
safety for the client as the issue but didn’t want
to further go into specifics. A female I heard
said that it’s a public courtroom etc, etc.
So maybe TMZ will stay or have to go.
They are taking a little break now.
May 4th, 2009 at 1:29 pm
the camera locked up or something. I lost the feed. Maybe the break is why I lost the feed.
May 4th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
Hopefully others are watching it.
I don’t know if it’s my computer or the stream
but it’s back on stand by.
I don’t know who but an atty. tried to, I guess,
serve Adnan a protective order in court. Britney’s
son’s names were mentioned. The volume kept going
in and out but Adnan’s atty. showed that he’s
already been served and I don’t believe the judge
let another go through in court.
Edan Yemini, Britney’s main security guard, name
was mentioned. Is the order to protece him too?
Where the heck are St.Mag., QB, and Amethyst?
I’m stressing out!!
May 4th, 2009 at 1:33 pm
Gigi. Thank goodness you’re here too.
I was trying to listen to eveything but the volume
sucks. The picture is good. If you hear more than
I do don’t hesitate to post it. Thanks, Gigi.
May 4th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
I’m trying to watch but I’m at work. I’ll have to turn the it down so no one can hear it I’m sure. A looks good but sad.
May 4th, 2009 at 1:47 pm
Yes, he looks very good. The little chin strip
hair is back. But his actual hair is shorter.
Less mohawkish. I really like his tie. Oh, just
listen to us girls carrying on about what he looks
like. And yes he does look sad. Imo he looks like
he could use a cigarette right about now. I can
read minds. The live stream is down again.
If it comes back you bet I’ll let you know.
May 4th, 2009 at 1:48 pm
tmz says he has to stand trial. This is still bull shit. I hope his attorney gets the pictures he is requesting.
May 4th, 2009 at 1:51 pm
His attorney said that Brit was contacting him to help her or something like that. I didn’t hear it all because of the sound not working all the time. What makes me mad is Brit contacted him through text and he is the one standing trial. Total bull shit.
May 4th, 2009 at 2:05 pm
I’m with you, Gigi. BTW, the new TRO is on behalf
of Ram and Edan Yemini (Britney’s bodyguard).
That’s the name I heard in court. He’s the main
guard. Supposedly nobody gets to Britney unless
they go through him. That’s funny. Isn’t it?
Where the hell was Edan when some crazy ass fan
rushed onto the stage at her concert last Saturday
night? Whatever. How sneaky,imo, to serve Adnan a
TRO in court of all places. Thankfully, Adnan’s
atty. was prepared and showed the TRO that’s
already been established. So another for Britney
and her dad and the kids wasn’t granted.
Summer trial perhaps?
Oh, I don’t like it that MT is right. So far. Okay
just about all the time.
The photographs that the other atty. had
were taken of the scene at night. The cameras
were rolling that day from 8:46am-10:09am.
Wasn’t that around the time that the incident
allegedly happened? Where are the 20+ pics taken
by the surveillance camera from that day?
Any thoughts?
May 4th, 2009 at 2:13 pm
I hope the surveillance camera is from the apartment place or wherever he was that day and not pics taken by the idiots that jumped him. I hope if it is pics from the apartments they will show a different story than the one Ram wants everyone to believe. Yes MT is usually right on the money. He is right in the middle of most of it so he usually knows.
May 4th, 2009 at 3:10 pm
I couldn’t hear everything because like I told you
the sound wasn’t great. But, I was watching the
live stream of Gloria Allred’s press conference
and the sound and video are both crystal clear.
Interesting isn’t it.
Maybe there’ll be new pics of Adnan today on JFX.
He did look really nice. Not that it matters.
May 4th, 2009 at 3:11 pm
Mark Twain, do you mean that the judge or that Jamie is being watched? I wonder that all of the declarations made by the Israelis are not publicly available. Well, are they? Do they specify I wonder, how long they had Adnan under surveillance? Details as to where and when they saw him and who he was with? Proof that they were snooping around him well beyond gearing up to serve a restraining order?
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Queen B. Great post on custody versus visitation. It may be the best I’ve seen. Wow on the court documents. I never saw them. I was out of town. Thank you.
May 4th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
page nine. lines 23-26. They paid for advice on First Amendment rights.
May 4th, 2009 at 3:30 pm
Ahhhhhh are you guys still watching? Is it still on?
Gloria Allred is there? What beast she.
May 4th, 2009 at 3:36 pm
Gloria is talking about Nadya “Octo-Mom” Suleman.
She wants to protect the octo-babies financial
future. She feels that Nadya is the one profiting
from the exposure of the babies. Gloria is good
at what she does. However, she just sticks her
nose in everybody’s business. She’s a pain in
the butt. Leave Octo-Mom and the octo-babies be.
May 4th, 2009 at 3:43 pm
Gloria wasn’t sticking her nose into Adnan’s case.
Remember whe Gloria represented Fat Tony during
Britney’s custody case. Then SP and JJ were taken.
I think deep down that she wants the same for the
octo-babies. She wants them in foster care. Or the
mom should go along with what Gloria recommends.
It’s always about Gloria.
What a pain she is. I swear.
May 4th, 2009 at 3:51 pm
You want to catch the fox, you have to gather the hounds. Old rivals old history. They know how one another smells. Only the best money can buy and right on the specifics.
Just like last time, the Israeli laywer for RM had TMZ as her guess and claimed that it’s a public hearing. Adnan’s Lawyer had called for a quicky in the chambers and TMZ had to go. Not surprised the least that she have them their once again. Someone is getting paid or using the media for the very purpose they been using them. TMZ had labeled Adnan ‘Deuche Bag’ from the begining. Painting a character to be hated and having their audience to leave obscene and sometimes even posting for his head to roll for entertainment purposes. Now they are the crdedible source for news for this hearing? It’s wonderful how the ‘fraternity’ works. Strawberries at it’s best.
May 4th, 2009 at 3:57 pm
http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b122015_britney_bunch_in_court_lutfi_lawsuit.html
May 4th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
LOL! Thanks Am. That was quite amusing. The fear of dumbing down America with tabloid as mainstream had begun a couple of years. You can see the result right here and now. LOL! Oh and the move by the Spears camp to serve Adnan another TRO but this time Jamie Spears name have been removed and have been replaced with Britney’s name is pretty bold. LOL! I’m sure they will get their ways but it’s not them that we should worry about. America has become dumb. LMAO!!!
May 4th, 2009 at 4:48 pm
geez, the z vid guy is some piece of work. asshole.
May 4th, 2009 at 4:50 pm
once again, all i can say is….this whole thing makes me sick.
May 4th, 2009 at 4:57 pm
yes the video guy was a dick.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:13 pm
It’s the little engine that could, Mark.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:15 pm
That is Mark, if you are at all connected to an activity I accomplished this morning.
MH, Gigi, the video guy? There are good paps and bad paps.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:16 pm
Wow Mark. Are you saying what I think you are saying?
The new TRO was filed in the name of Britney Spears?
May 4th, 2009 at 5:17 pm
That would be bold indeed.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:27 pm
Case Number: LC085114
RAM MOSKOWITZ VS ADNAN GHALIB
Filing Date: 04/13/2009
Case Type: Motor Vehicle – PIPD/WD (General Jurisdiction)
Status: Pending
Future Hearings
07/22/2009 at 08:30 am in department NWT at 6230 Sylmar Ave., Van Nuys, CA 91401
Conference-Initial Status
08/31/2009 at 08:30 am in department NWT at 6230 Sylmar Ave., Van Nuys, CA 91401
Conference-Case Management
Documents Filed | Proceeding Information
Parties
DOES 1 TO 5 – Defendant
GHALIB ADNAN – Defendant
MOSKOWITZ RAM – Plaintiff
OLSON DAVID S. – Attorney-Plaintiff
Case Information | Party Information | Proceeding Information
Documents Filed (Filing dates listed in descending order)
04/29/2009 Proof of Service-Summons & Com
Filed by Attorney-Plaintiff
04/13/2009 Complaint
04/13/2009 Notice-Case Management Conference
04/13/2009 Summons-Issued
Filed by Attorney-Plaintiff
May 4th, 2009 at 5:45 pm
When I first tuned in to the live stream Adnan’s
atty. was saying that he wanted the cameras to be
removed. Judge denied the request. Then the
serving of the new protective order against Adnan
by RM and Edan.
Those weren’t the only names on the order. SP,JJ,Britney, and Jamie Spears names
were there too. The judge, once she saw the
restraining order that is that is already active,
said she’ll approve the new order
only for the two men I mentioned earlier and
crossed off the other names.
So Lutfi will have his day in 2010. I guess that
is if a settlement doesn’t happen.
It’s easy to see that the c-ship will still be in
effect at that time. If for nothing but to keep
Britney quiet even more.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:55 pm
One wonders about that settlement, Fantasy. Similar to the agreement they reached last time when Jamie chose not to pursue a permanent c-ship?
Maybe Sam has some goods, things the Spears don’t want coming out in court. idk
May 4th, 2009 at 6:12 pm
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/05/preliminary-hearing-set-britneys-ex
May 4th, 2009 at 6:17 pm
addy’s atty says, “actual victim in this case” ??????? how about alledged victim, bonehead.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:17 pm
“You want to catch the fox, you have to gather the hounds.
Old rivals old history. They know how one another
smells.”-Mark Twain
MT, maybe I’m just too literal but from that I
took it as a comment being about Adnan and what
has happened to him.
I was thinking that Adnan’s the fox.
To me, the hounds could be other paps.
Old rival old history could mean that someone who
used to work along side Adnan could be partly
behind this witch hunt.
It did seem to me that there could have been some
jealousy towards Adnan once or even before he
started dating Britney.
Whether I’m hot or cold does not matter.
I’m still sort of new here and I still try to read
into what you say. Have others stopped that?
But tell me this, Mark.
Am I right when I say that I sensed a little bit
of glee in your tone when you said,”The witch hunt
is just so dirty, I love it so.”
Or could that have been sarcasm? Both?
Do you know more than you’ve said? Seems so.
You’re right on the money about a lot of things.
I’m gonna just ask because I want to ask.
Do you or have you ever known Adnan?
Do you or have you ever known someone inside Jamie
and Co. or the Britney team?
Like I said to Queen B I’ll never know if you’re
gonna tell the truth to me or not.
But I feel better knowing that I did at least ask.
Don’t begin to fend us off by posting video links
again. Just write it out.
Friend of foe a man’s future is in jeopardy.
It that too strong of a word? idk. At risk.
Why not help the guy out.
Maybe it’s too late to save him.
But to help wouldn’t hurt. At least not the person
you’d help. If you can’t for some reason, would
you even help if you could? Do you want to?
What does everyone else here think about this.
Thoughts.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:21 pm
MH. Wow. Still watching.
MT. I took no actions pertaining to events from this morning.
I was down on becoming that choo choo and had another project otherwise.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:34 pm
If I were in Adnan’s shoes I would NOT ask that cameras be removed from the courtroom.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:47 pm
I agree, MH! 110%. Keep the cameras. Keep the lights on.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:55 pm
Fantasy. I don’t think anyone is in a position to personally speak for MT but MT is one of my favorite posters, so I try to pay attention to what he says (not that you don’t but I have been at this longer I think).
If you look back at his post about frogs, ponds etc. he tells us where he stands.
You yourself hit on it. There is only so much that he can say.
If you don’t think we are watched here by the other side? If you don’t think we are watched by rivals too? And haters?
It’s dangerous. I hope I don’t sound melodramatic but that is what I and maybe some others conclude.
And I don’t mean just dangerous to Adnan or in a lighter sense me? (far-fetched right?) But there are rivals, there are enemies and Mark is on the street.
Also, his sources might dry up and then it’s all for a loss.
I haven’t always understand, MT. He once took action to leave which was so far beyond my ken that I thought he was a traitor. I’m not proud of that but I didn’t clearly read what he wrote: I was more concerned by the timing and maybe my own need to understand.
I am glad you asked him what you did though. Who knows what he will respond to and when. Not any of us.
Things used to be lighter in the past. It was serious but not where Adnan or anyone else was looking at so permanent or irreversible a judgment as a criminal offense.
Moving on. Hmmm… impeach Mr. Moscowitz and his testimony? I guarantee no news outlet celebrity or other will carry the news. Is it relevant in terms of primacy? (only the most important or relevant parts of a story are carried and then from top or lead sentence to the bottom in journalism). It is to me. Is it to you?
May 4th, 2009 at 6:58 pm
p.s. Fantasy. If I were to run with the story? Impeachment and discovery would be in paragraph II. Right up at top.
I wonder that it’s not too late for that. hmmm…
May 4th, 2009 at 8:31 pm
The videotape is gone from Radaronline.
May 4th, 2009 at 8:42 pm
MH-
I was recently at a legal event in LA and one of the spearkers was Mark Geragos who is Chris Brown’s attorney and was Michael Jackson’s lawyer.
He said that it was inapproriate to refer to complaining witness in a domestic violence case as a “victim” because the word victim implies a legal conclusion i.e., that a crime was in fact committed.
I agree that Adnan’s attorney made a mistake by referring to Ram as a victim. The whole purpose of the trial is to find out what happened and if a crime has occurred so as of right now Ram is the alleged victim.
I do not know how I feel about cameras in the courtroom. I think the decision should be left to the defendant because his life is on the line. I could see why people think it is a good thing but
on the other hand, what is likely to happen is that the media will use the tv coverage to prejudice the public against the defendant. Instead of telling the whole story they will take bits and pieces and not tell the truth.
May 4th, 2009 at 8:59 pm
Queen B. I was informed by the public affairs office, LA Superior Court, that it is up to each judge whether pen, paper, camera, laptops and so on are allowed.
There are also records of petitioning the court for access with news coverage available on Spears’ file and presumably for Adnan’s.
I’m not saying that you are not saying that, but it remains with the judge as to decision.
“…what is likely to happen is that the media will use the tv coverage to prejudice the public against the defendant.” The opposite of that happened today but alas, that video has disappeared from the Internet.
Maybe someone captured it.
May 4th, 2009 at 9:10 pm
Hey all. Did Korn say that he had 43 pictures of the area and incident and that they all indicated night?
Did they come from Ghalib’s camera? Or were they ones provided by the prosecution? Or are they separate photos, separate exhibits?
Korn mentioned lamps indicating that the photos were from night.
thx
May 4th, 2009 at 9:35 pm
In court today Korn had about 7 copies that looked
black with a light or two. Someone said it could
have been from how the copier printed them out or something. Not sure of the exact words.
Yes there are 43 pics
taken from the surveillance camera.
They said something about subpoenaing the photos.
I wish the vid was still available.
I can’t remember it all.
May 4th, 2009 at 9:44 pm
Can anyone put a name on the prosecuting atty.
in court today? What do you guys think of Korn
so far? First impression. Adnan will need another
atty. for the civil suit right? Just wondering.
Also, was RM in court today?
Anyone catch a glimpse of him?
May 4th, 2009 at 9:45 pm
The judge said she was unfamiliar with the case and that the D.A. would have to explain it to her.
Got to love that one.
I’m all for cameras in court on this one.
May 4th, 2009 at 9:54 pm
Fantasy. I disagree. I liked the attorney. He won today you know? At least part of it.
He wasn’t flashy, he was rude, he was professional and he got what he came for. The surveillance tape and better photos.
What camera did he say the photos came from though?
43 photos.
I didn’t catch the Judge’s name (that should be easy to find. I am surprised it didn’t appear in the court actions I posted at 5:27) nor the D.A.’s name. Camp Spears is already feeding the D.A. Imagine their power if they had been able to add their names to today’s restraining order.
Fantasy, why do you disbelieve in the ability of Korn? I’d like to know.
Meanwhile, what do we know about Korn? Did he represent Rod Stewart’s son last year? Was he once with the L.A. District Attorney’s Office? He knows how things work?
And where is that slackard (strike) adorable Steel? I am surprised she is away at this time, but I understand.
May 4th, 2009 at 9:58 pm
I don’t think RM was in court today, Fantasy. He had no reason to be … and then there is that thing about appearance and being caught on tape.
His business is a secret business, no? Well come on spy, let’s see you.
What if he is rough and mean looking?
May 4th, 2009 at 10:05 pm
I don’t doubt Peter Korn.
I just wish that he hadn’t have looked so
unprepared and ruffled when Adnan was being
told about the TRO from Ram and Edan.
I thought that he could have played that off a
bit smoother. But he did have it all together.
The judge today is named Leslie Dunn.
The photos are (stills?) from the surveillance
camera. The camera time given in court today
was from 8:46am to 10:09am.
Do you think that Korn has spoken with Azlynn?
Do you think that she may have seen anything?
May 4th, 2009 at 10:11 pm
Here I go again.
I’m just gonna put it out there.
Questions.
Are Adnan and Azlynn divorced yet?
Can you find divorce records online? idk
Was he staying with her overnight or laying low
at her place or what? Reconciliation maybe?
What’s their deal? Can anyone answer that?
Twain maybe.
May 4th, 2009 at 11:18 pm
Hey, Fantasy. Not anything to do with your most recent posts but I think what you heard as glee earlier was sound derision in the very best sense.
I am on a quick break here.
I didn’t think Korn looked unruffled, save going through his brain, do I have that document do I have it? I know I had it.
His hands did not shake. He reassured the judge that if he didn’t have the TRO or PRO as Queen B. calls it, then he could provide. It was an important moment in court.
Wasn’t it funny how the D.A. looked at the document as though it was new or that she was actually reading it?
puh-leez.
She really didn’t look happy at all at several moments. If she didn’t prepare her own case that would be normal. Did she prepare her own case? Self-doubt herself and her own tactics and go with Camp Spears? I am willing to bet she had a plan.
She didn’t plan on the judge saying, “You’ll have to explain it to me” and she didn’t count on Korn producing the restraining order document. Did she?
May 4th, 2009 at 11:30 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1RFMwiUAGE&NR=1
???
May 4th, 2009 at 11:57 pm
so why did radar remove the vid? hmmmmm
May 5th, 2009 at 12:00 am
am, the camera is from an/the apartment building.
May 5th, 2009 at 12:03 am
watching the prosecutor was painful, funny, bizarre.
May 5th, 2009 at 12:04 am
sickening as well.
May 5th, 2009 at 12:11 am
the judge saying no big deal if there are 2 restraining orders for the same people was a joke. who wants an extra mark on their record. especially a doubled up one. good thing addy’s guy showed the difference between criminal and domestic or was harrasment. whatever it was, good that it worked out. even if it’s the least of his problems. this whole thing sucks.
May 5th, 2009 at 2:16 am
All my best to Adnan.
I missed the video from radar? What was it and why was it removed?
May 5th, 2009 at 9:41 am
Small I missed the Radar video also but I did see some of the live feed at Z. Not sure why Radar took it off. The more I see the madder I get. This is a total waste of time and money.
May 5th, 2009 at 11:55 am
small, it was 15 minutes from the courtroom during the newly introduced temporary restraining order by Team Moskowitz aka the D.A. aka Team Spears.
We could see and hear Addy, the judge, and attorneys from both sides.
Korn waved some of the photos that supposedly are evidence against Addy. They looked like bad photocopies. Blackened. Useless.
I am grateful there were cameras in the courtroom as I believe we would have been left with the impression that there are 43 photos showing Adnan doing the deed when in fact the photos are embarrassing (the D.A. did look embarrassed when Korn waved them a bit) and appear to be useless in proving their case.
MH. I was nauseated more than once yesterday. Some of it was due to old rivals sniffing and taunting.
Yes. Korn did a good job in distinguishing between the different types of restraining orders.
My favorite part was the judge saying to the D.A. that she was going to have to explain it to her as she was unfamiliar with the case. It gave me hope for a fair trial or at least that details would come out. Korn said Britney texted Adnan. I think he has more to say. He was rather pointed in fixing the real reason that anyone was in court yesterday: Jamie Spears.
I’ll give it 24 hours but did any journalists cover the hearing yesterday?
May 5th, 2009 at 11:58 am
my post is in moderation…i emailed both.
May 5th, 2009 at 12:02 pm
Jamie Spears you really suck at being a human being.
May 5th, 2009 at 12:44 pm
http://www.jfxonline.com/?s=Video%3A+Adnan+Leaves+Court%2C+D.A.+pounced&x=9&y=17
Good job Ronnie, I saw the same as well. I don’t think the D.A. was ready for the circus type game plan *The Puppeteers* had prepared for her. Daddy Spears hates this guy so much that he wants to remind him that everything he is going through is because of him. That little extra script from the camp really got the D.A. out her own game plan. Maybe Daddy pulled on the left string a little to hard.
Now we just need brave people from inside the camp who’s are not intimidated by the army of laywers and would like to come forward and tell us all a little story right on camera. That would be something dont you think? We can all wish and then again we all like surprises too.
You know the funny thing is when it comes to Adnan between these men is that he is the farthest from the other 2. The other two have a lot more in common. Lutfi and Jamie both want control of Britney and have disposed of Adnan after using him. After all, he is the most dangerous one because Britney love the freeging guy. Something the other 2 will never have of her.
Lets give TMZ a round of applause for not taking a jab at Adnan and just reporting. Unlike Eonline who still find ways to entertain and amuse themselves. Maybe that Strawberry Jordan writes for them.
Good Day
May 5th, 2009 at 1:07 pm
http://www.okmagazine.com/news/view/13969
May 5th, 2009 at 1:51 pm
Thank you AM for explaining.
MT I agree about the other 2 being much more alike, than different. And A is not like them.
Here is a general question, don’t really know where I am going with this….
Do confidentialty hold up in court if you are put on the stand? Or do would you have to testify to the best of your ability? Just asking…
May 5th, 2009 at 1:54 pm
good question Small. I had thought about that but just never through it out there.
May 5th, 2009 at 3:44 pm
Fantasy. I didn’t scare you off did I by the timing of my posting MT’s mole cartoon?
May 5th, 2009 at 4:10 pm
There are rumors and I’m not really sure on how to put this. Something to do with serving him last minute so Adnan would not be able to get himself ready.
kind of like the Bill Obama had sent to congress and it was 1100 pages and everyone only had half an hour to review before the deadline was met and pass.
Okay so the plan was to serve Adnan at a specific time so Adnan will not have enough time to file for his firearm and it’s a felony federal crime and he will do time automatic. Nice touch by the Jamie and Co and the private investigators. This is regarding the TRO. But Adnan smelling the plot against him have already made plans to sell or turn in his firearms way ahead. Smart kid if this was true. Would this have caused the team to be 110 more aggressive? I would place this under the he said she said basket. Stuff that’s just floating around.
May 5th, 2009 at 5:23 pm
Mark, any insight as to why Edam Yemini was named or awarded a TRO against Adnan?
He is not in any of the declarations for the first TRO.
You he said she said is always of interest to ponder if for nothing else.
Hey Mark. Way of topic but the ‘college hopeful’ got a press pass today and the title of news editor. Just thought I would say something since I have been yakking about school and writing for the past 14 months. I’ll try not to let the press pass and power go to my head. lol
May 5th, 2009 at 8:08 pm
Have fun and keep your third eye open..
About the he said she siad is something else. Just have to filter through all the talks out on the street. Best one I’ve heard was that Adnan started the ‘Swine Flu’, LOL! the kid went on and on and milked it till it was no longer funny. Adnan’s name is either a punch line or a story line. LOL! AM just stick to the facts.
Adnan started the swine flu, lol. I have to admit that it was pretty funny.
Keep up the fight Adnan. Dont let them bring you down. Stay positive.
May 5th, 2009 at 8:36 pm
For whatever reason JFX has deleted my post/decided not to approve it.
It had links to radaronline. The only contact info on the site that I saw was for tips and for advertising. I emailed both… What happened to the Adnan Ghalib 5-4-09 courtroom video?
May 5th, 2009 at 8:37 pm
Thanks, Mark. I will stick to the facts but sometimes gossip or grapevine information helps me to try to understand the culture and environment.
If I am more comfortable with that then I may be faster to identify and chase the facts and/or the people who made provide them.
I knew scarcely anything about paparazzi culture and the celebrity machine until I came here. I hope to shine a light.
‘We should expect that journalists will monitor power and give voice to the voiceless.’
May 6th, 2009 at 12:21 am
Haha! A song for you girlfriend.
and this ‘real’
it’s impossible if possible
at who’s blind word
so clear but so unheard
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twL3ms4bjZk
May 6th, 2009 at 1:26 am
You know I love alternative. Thanks Mark for an envelope in that genre.
soon, Mark, soon, and then, from then on
May 6th, 2009 at 1:38 am
Hi guys. What’s new?
I don’t know what’s up with Radar and removing the
video from yesterday. I looked for other videos,
like Farrah Fawcett’s son Redmond’s video from
court was still available. It’s too bad. I wanted
to see it once more.
Cool video from you, Mark. How have you been?
Amethyst, good luck with everything you’re doing.
Be back later guys. Maybe in the morning light.
May 6th, 2009 at 1:45 am
For Adnan. Keep the faith.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVTihByqA6E
May 6th, 2009 at 1:52 am
We understand, Adnan.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VWV6wTelLk
May 6th, 2009 at 1:59 am
I am glad you are with us, Fantasy. I was beginning to worry and though I personally was responsible.
Still. Mark doesn’t just randomly things so is he talking about a mole here or a mole otherwise?
I have a call into Radar. Yeh, like I am high on their priority list if they snagged a TMZ video (there should records of who had media rights), ran it, then exited the ticket.
I am glad they ran it for the time they did. I think Fantasy you saw TMZ’s video live. Can you tell us if the camera angles were the same and so on? Same videographer you think?
May 6th, 2009 at 2:02 am
Lights in the darkness.
May 6th, 2009 at 2:02 am
Fantasy. That was for Adnan.
May 6th, 2009 at 2:13 am
Hi,Amethyst.
It’s funny that you mention camera angles.
Radar had it better, in my opinion.
On TMZ you could only see Adnan and or his atty.
On Radar it was the first time that I saw the
female attorney’s face. On TMZ they didn’t show
the other side. Gigi watched a little too. That’s why I asked if Ram was present. I thought maybe he
was there but because he’s the alleged victim I
thought that was why the other side (prosecution)
wasn’t shown.
Great video from you too. I love that song!
May 6th, 2009 at 2:16 am
It’s no one’s fault that I didn’t write anything
yesterday. I lurked. Sorta just took the day off.
Don’t worry. We’re all cool.
May 6th, 2009 at 2:34 am
One more thing. The audio from the video on TMZ
was bad. The volume kept going on and off. The
video would pause then continue. It ultimately
was yanked and remained on stand by and TMZ later
released the written version of what happened.
I didn’t see any footage of the surveillance pics
shown or even talked about. Mainly it was Adnan’s
atty, asking for the removal of the cameras and
Adnan being served with a TRO from Ram (and almost
Britney and her family again).
How shady of TMZ. The Gloria Allred video was just
absolutely perfect. Interesting.
May 6th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
Jamie Spears and his girlfriend in Montreal.
http://britneyspearsblackout.com/?p=11420
May 6th, 2009 at 1:44 pm
I wonder if they ordered grits with Velveeta
Just kidding.
cheese. lol. Mmm mmm. Cheese grits. A country
boy’s favorite meal. Ain’t nothing better than
that y’all. lol
May 6th, 2009 at 3:14 pm
Fantasy. You sound more relaxed, at ease, I am glad.
MH, I guess you were right about salt and Jamie based on the pic Fantasy put up. Actually you were only saying that some people put salt into their beer. I guess the guy likes salt.
Fantasy. I was trying to think of a way for you to understand Mr. Twain. Do you like literature? Or do you too live a life that has a 2nd and 3rd levels of experience? By that I mean in part symbolism. A person can read a literature book and another person can read the same but one of them will pull out the underlying story. That’s the best way to think maybe of Twain. He’s an artist. His words aren’t meant for everyone. Last night was for me, but if you happened to eavesdrop and figure out the meaning then that is cool.
I don’t know how to explain it other than it is akin to myself. Sometimes I encrypt especially if I write anything that is akin to literature or creative writing. My story isn’t meant for everyone but rather the few who have gone through things and who would recognize the clues I have left them.
I haven’t read James Joyce to any impressionable depth but I think he is one of the masters even though he spells things outright, he relies on symbolism.
These are difficult times. It would be difficult to take Twain to court based on writing that could often be read in one of several ways. Hell. He could even say it was entertainment. He has made it fun for us in that way but he has a gift for speaking without speaking when wants, and I believe it was born out of necessity. How well I understand.
You will find too, that some paparazzi are artists. I mean, beyond beautiful or riveting photographs. They have a language that they speak born out of necessity.
In the old days we once had Adnan, R. and Twain here. It was bliss seeing them speak and even participating from time to time. There is a difference between saying the obvious and speaking a language. In Twain you are really not seeing anything that odd amongst paparazzi (or other artists and in particular those who paint or write literature) that I know, it’s just that he’s more seasoned, well read, and gifted than some others. Adnan has similar gifts but is younger and wears his heart on his sleeve.
Anyway, you and Twain have talked to each other now so… I just thought I would patch up any remaining frustration if there was some. Although I reiterate that you pin pointed why he sometimes does not speak plainly. We are lucky to have him but that is my opinion.
You should know I gave him a terrible time initially. My behavior on this board in general was defensive and rude at times in the beginning except toward Ronnie but how can you not like or trust him? Oh that’s right you haven’t seen much of him but he’s amiable and someone I respect. Alot. We have had some shoot-outs here and I thought he handled them very well. He did band Rihanna but she was out with her laser beam and cutting at people. Even the Doc warned her of swimming her own stroke.
Just some musings here. I am so glad to see you relaxed and belonging.
btb, I don’t think Twain is a random name choice. Neither was mine. It doesn’t hurt to know some Twain literature sometimes for insight.
Do they serve grits in Montreal?
May 6th, 2009 at 3:15 pm
p.s. that is the same woman who was (helping?) Jamie when he unloaded his groceries. She had some choice words for the paparazzi following them that day.
May 6th, 2009 at 8:21 pm
Queen B. Do you have any docs handy for when “Britney gave up custody?”
Think about it. Someone without capacity to testify or capacity to understand legal proceedings surely could no give up her kids.
How cruel the media and how distorted it was.
The c-ship gave up custody or the right to pursue custody through the courts.
Where does it stand now? There is not one line in any document in the LA courthouse with Queen B’s signature, therefore she did not give up custody.
Can you prove me wrong or right? Anyone?
May 6th, 2009 at 8:56 pm
AM-
I see what you are saying. Let’s start from the beginning- 1/08 Commissioner Scott Gordon awards Kevin sole legal and physical custody of the boys after Brit’s meltdown in the bathroom. 2/1 Conservatorship is established. 2/19 Brit regains visitation. In May, I believe, her day visitations were extended and then in June she got her first overnight. In July, the custody case was settled and Brit got a second and possibly a third overnight visit.
While Brit is under a conservatorship, the conservatorship speaks for Brit so even though Brit never signed any documents, the documents were signed on her behalf. If you go to TMZ, I’m sure would find some document signed by Jamie/Andrew Wallet on Brit’s behalf. On one hand, I find it hard that Brit would stop fighting for custody but on the other hand, given her past behavior there was no way she would have regained joint custody so increased visitation was all she could get at that time, now who knows?
So you are right that Brit DID NOT give up custody because Brit does not have the authority to make the kind of decision. The media uses Brit’s name because the conservators decision in the eyes of the court is no different than Brit signing the document herself.
As of right now, Kevin has full custody and Brit has visits with the boys around 3days/2nights. Kevin has sole decisionmaking authority. Kevin and Jamie meet and discuss the children and Brit is a bystander. Tough situation for Brit but one that is unlikely to change soon.
May 6th, 2009 at 9:17 pm
Here is the document I was referring to regarding Jamie’s decision to settle the custody dispute. Everyone’s signautre is on there except for Brit.
http://www.aolcdn.com/tmz_documents/0725_brit_wm.pdf
May 6th, 2009 at 10:05 pm
Thank you!
Where is the puke bucket by the way? I think we need one.
We should have installed it when Steel, I, and some others were having to mouth wash for behavior, eating crow or just being wrong.
I do believe but I can’t believe I was such an idiot last year. Why did I ever think Britney was informed and had any say whatsoever in custody?
I am not going to feel emotion about this for long but I am angry that I bought what ‘journalists’ told us. The fine analysis yields else wise and a diagram.
Thanks, Queen B. for being on top of it. Thanks for the truth.
May 6th, 2009 at 10:11 pm
wasn’t it “reported” that jamie didn’t want to sign because he didn’t agree with the extra 5,000 and britney said she didn’t care about that just sign it.
May 6th, 2009 at 10:14 pm
i know i’ve asked a million times, but i really want to know…what happened to her dogs? dogs can be very healing, comforting during tough times.
May 6th, 2009 at 10:15 pm
The D.A. is Rochelle Beth Israel.
Do your own spell check. Last name is correct.
May 6th, 2009 at 10:19 pm
I’m with MH. Where are the dogs? If we ask enough times they maybe they will appear.
Jamie = Lutfi in control technique. ?
No Adnan. No dogs. No children. Possibly forced pills making Britney into a Refuser under California law and therefore lacking capacity.
Jamie. I’d like to say what MH said. You suck as a human being.
Where are the dogs???
May 6th, 2009 at 10:21 pm
MH. ‘..britney said she didn’t care about that just sign it.’
I don’t think we can trust anything about that.
I don’t know that we ever hear what she says about anything.
May 6th, 2009 at 10:24 pm
I am posting to BH tonight under my user name there, Roncini. The name comes from a jar of pepperocini out in the garage.
Why didn’t I use my moniker Amethyst Mine on BH?
Because of stalkers at X.
Have fun guys with your super sleuth professional first to detect anything. Hell. I posted that I posted under Roncini here at JFX.
Wow what a coup for one of you to super sleuth that out. Alright guys. Let’s all go over and ask about the dogs. You in?
May 6th, 2009 at 10:28 pm
Hey X it’s at 6:27 p.m. I wouldn’t want you to bend over too much.
May 6th, 2009 at 10:50 pm
I searched online for information about the dogs.
Britney was attached to all of them. I don’t
really understand why they had to go once the
c-ship began. Well, I read that Lacey, the white
maltese, and Baby are with her mom Lynne. Bit Bit
went to live with a family friend. Lucky was given
to one of Britney’s assistants. Apparently little
Lucky didn’t like K-Fed. lol
http://www.celebritydogblog.com/posts/2005/10/13/britney-and-kevin-dispute-over-dogs
May 6th, 2009 at 10:53 pm
More of Britney and the pups. They’re so cute!
http://www.celebritydogblog.com/categories/britney-spears/
May 6th, 2009 at 11:17 pm
I can’t seem to find any info on London the yorkie. That’s the last dog I remember seeing from
early to mid January 2008. MH is so right. Her
dogs could comfort her. It’s sad that when she’s
not with the kids she left mainly alone in that
huge home. Maybe Lulu keeps her company.
I read that they planted flowers together while
Britney was in L.A. for her tour. That’s sweet.
May 6th, 2009 at 11:34 pm
http://www.britneyspears.com/2009/04/exclusive-britney-plants-flowers-at-new-home.php
May 6th, 2009 at 11:43 pm
A mi me gusta. Las flores son muy bonita.
I like it. The flowers are very pretty.
Amethyst, I’d be surprised if any of the exhalers
know or even care about the pups. They’re too busy
talking about the oxygen chamber and how
much does Britney actually smoke.
I wouldn’t worry though. I think all of the dogs
are in good hands and are doing great.
May 7th, 2009 at 12:13 pm
You’re right, Fantasy about the exhalers. They know alot about lipstick, shoes, dates and settings of photos and apparently oxygen chambers.
May 7th, 2009 at 3:09 pm
Fantasy. Thanks for the pics. I hadn’t seen them really and I didn’t know she had had dogs for so long.
May 7th, 2009 at 6:26 pm
Not to generate false hopes but Korn’s background looks pretty good.
May 8th, 2009 at 1:01 am
Handcuffs. swweet.
May 8th, 2009 at 2:03 am
Handcuffs?? Huh?
May 8th, 2009 at 2:06 am
Is Radar really the next single? How stupid is that? It should have been Unusual You.
May 8th, 2009 at 8:09 am
Jordan Miller To Battle Jamie Spears
http://www.lvrj.com/news/44579572.html
May 8th, 2009 at 10:26 am
Small Hands, by now we all know it is true.
Radar is the not so new single. Rumor has it that
the video will be filmed in June while Britney is
touring the UK/Europe.
Wikipedia says that Radar was planned to be the
4th and final single from Blackout, but was
cancelled June 11, 2008. By then Britney had begun
recording tracks for the Circus cd(between May ‘08
and October 2008).
Remember the Break The Ice video? It was animation
and was released about a month or so after the
c-ship began. I think they label was still trying
to profit and did an animated BTI video because
Britney wasn’t camera ready physically or even
mentally.
JM really got lucky in the fact that his attorney
is working pro bono.
Queen B, if you’re out there, what do you think
will become of the Jordan vs. Jamie lawsuit?
What are your thoughts on the LVRJ article that I
posted above?
May 8th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
Fantasy. You didn’t ask me but may I comment too?
This has been going on since last fall?
Why would the Jamie Lynne story be the one to send JS through the roof? Is there any truth to the story? Remember last time that Lynne was outvoted as to sending Jamie Lynne out of town but Lynne put her foot down, finally?
Why single out Jordan when many outlets were publishing that story? Or did Jordan originate it and the story spread from there?
Not a single pick of Lynne and Jamie Lynne in months. Gigi said, I think, that the hospital where Casey was, was staked out by photographers.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/thedishrag/2008/10/is-jamie-lynn-s.html
Queen B. thoughts or theories as to why Jamie Spears himself picked up the phone to call JM? He had time to think it over.
Was the story on Jamie Lynne his first real opportunity? Just curious.
May 8th, 2009 at 12:27 pm
Sorry. It does say in the article that Jordon did not originate the story.
October 2008 was a touchy month for Jamie Spears. It was the same month c-ship was made permanent.
May 8th, 2009 at 12:28 pm
I really do not see Jamie filing a lawsuit against Jordan Miller. I think it would be a waste of time and money. It is obvious to anyone that Jamie has singled out Jordan Miller because he is against the conservatorship. Even if Breatheheavy is shut down, there will still be those in the public who will question the need for the conservatorship.
I read the article, and I disagree with JM on a couple points. I do not think it is fair to say that conservatorships were not meant for 27 years old. I think the court has to make a case by case evaulation. In my opinion, I think the consevartorship was appropriate when ordered and we can argue whether it is still appropriate now. Brit’s unkempt appearance; reckless driving and adoption of a British accent indicated some mental illness.
Remember the AP had already written Brit’s obituary. A lot of people thought that she was gonna die real soon and join the list of tragic blondes who died before their time like Marilyn Monrone and Anna Nicole Smith. I could easily see Brit driving around town in her Mercedes, she runs a red a light, hits another car and then she is dead and her children are without a mother.
Secondly, I disgree with JM that the situation would be better if there was an independent conservator. First, Andrew Wallet is in place and he shares control of the estate with Jamie. Secondly, it is possible that even though Brit does not like her dad, at least he is someone she knows and not some stranger. Would Brit really be better off having some random man or woman deciding what she does on daily bais. Would she prefer a stranger monitoring her times with the boys or the children’s grandfather.
Thirdly, it could be argued that a non-family member would be paid more money than Jamie is currently receiving. Many people believe that Jamie should be working for free but a non-family member would expect to be compensated accordingly.
I will say that JM is one of the few Brit fans who seems to care more about her well being than seeing her sing/dance on stage.
May 8th, 2009 at 1:09 pm
“Queen B Says:
May 8th, 2009 at 12:28 pm
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adoption of a British accent indicated some mental illness. ”
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Why are people in US so obsessed of different accents in the English languishes? Start to get on my nerves .. it´s so strange and silly to say someone is mentally sic if they dont talk US english.. if they have easy to influencing accents.
It´s a gift, not a sickness.
I have herd it and read the “english accent” comment many times, and not only when it comes to Britney Spears.
You can read more here..
http://www.antimoon.com/forum/t12932-15.htm
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“(It’s not the British who are obsessed with accents when they are in the USA…it’s the Americans, according to the Brits in the British Expats site. There are hardly any Brits in America who haven’t been told at sometime that they have a “cute” accent or “I just love your accent” and sometimes even: “I just love your accent – say that again!”
I can’t ever imagine that happening with a Glaswegian or a Scouse or a chronic Estuary Cockneyspeak accent – surely not! Or maybe it does, I just wouldn’t know.
This “cute accent” thing just never happens in reverse with Americans over here in the UK, or if it does it’s very rarely.
The apparent Transatlantic “accent love affair” – UK/USA – is very much a one way street by and large. )”
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Very odd for os from outside US, I will tell.. We dont understand WHY. Find it kind of childish and embaressent that a people in such HUGE country are so unsafe( ?) on there on identety (?) so they get hungup on accents.
And fore JM.
He can go on playing with Sam Lutfi..I dont miss him.
May 8th, 2009 at 1:17 pm
Amethyst or course you can comment. No problem.
It was the National Enquirer who published the
Jamie-Lynn story last October 2008.
http://www.nationalenquirer.com/celebrity/65548
Jamie, as far as I know, never went after the N.E.
I don’t see the big deal. It was just gossip.
All Britney fan sites do exactly what BH does.
They post rumors about Britney’s personal life or
video of her boarding a plane or pics of her at
Starbucks, and on and on.
Only difference is that the other Britney fan
sites just love and adore Daddy Jamie. He’s the
hero. Superman. He saved Britney’s life. Got
rid of all the “bad boys”, got her to get into
shape, in the studio, and on tour. The Britey Brand ($$$$) is back. All thanks to her father. I bet he just loves that he gets so much
credit. With every award she gets her father
also get credited by the fans. I understand their
viewpoint. I was feeling the same way about Jamie.
Thankfully I now see the other side of the coin.
I feel like Britney may be stuck in the c-ship
forever. It’s sad. The research
I’ve done shows that very few if any make it out
the c-ship alive.
Unless their estate is empty.
I don’t think she should spent the rest of her
days in a c-ship. What’s the alterntive to a
c-ship. It was a drastic decision that was made.
It’s reversible but I don’t see it ending.
May 8th, 2009 at 1:42 pm
I can’t explain why some American’s are so
intrigued by foreign accents.
I love them all English, Russian, Latin.
For example: Adnan’s accent.
It’s one of the best English accents I’ve heard.
It just sucks you in. Mesmerizing.
I swear, I could listen to him speak all day.
I can’t say the same for someone from Jersey.
No offense Jersey people.
But it’s just not the same. Not even close.
May 8th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
I agree that the conservatorship will not be ending anytime soon. It will definitely last through 2010 if for no other reason than to keep Brit from having to testify in the Wright and Lufti lawsuits.
Brit and Jamie did an interview with OK Magazine August of last year-Brit and the boys are all dressed in white. Jamie made some statements that would seem to indicate that the conservatorship was going to expire at the end of the year (12/08) as schedule:
“I would hope that it stands until the end of the year, and then we’ll sit back and evaluate where we are at the time, where Britney is at that time,” he tells OK
http://www.okmagazine.com/news/view/8445
then surprise the conservatorship was made permanent in October. I wondered what happened. Some people think that the conservatorship was needed to get insurance for the tour but who would choose making milllions over regaining their freedom.
May 8th, 2009 at 2:13 pm
Queen B, maybe I’m not understanding something.
I understand why her dad/Wallet wouldn’t want her
to have to testify in the Lutfi lawsuit.
But why not Wright? What harm could come from it?
What do you think they’re trying to prevent her
from revealing? Anyone else have any thoughts
about this matter? QB, Am, whoever.
May 8th, 2009 at 2:19 pm
Britney’s on tour now which means she and her
crew are covered by insurance just in case of an
accident or something. What will her people use
as an excuse when she’s done touring?
They’ll say she’s still incompetent. Right?
I didn’t understand the tour insurance excuse
either. I think that her behavior on past tours
should have been the deciding factor as to cover
her or not. Instead they used her behavior when
she wasn’t touring (2006-2008) and were seemingly
not going to cover her for the Circus tour.
I don’t think that’s right.
Nor do I think that that’s the real reason why
the c-ship became permanent.
May 8th, 2009 at 2:39 pm
Fantasy-
I have no idea why the conservatorship was made permanent when Jamie made it seem like it was going to end in 2008. I do not buy the tour excuse either but I was just throwing it out there. I know that people like Brit have difficulties getting insured because her past behavior indicates that she may not be reliable and there are millions of dollars on the line if for some reason something happened to Brit and the tour was to end abruptly.
In my opinion, one way to avoid the whole tour insurance issue was for Brit do what Celine Dion did which is set up residence at one of the hotels in Las Vegas and then do all the shows from there.
The reason why Jamie/Co. do not want her testify is because they have no idea what she is going to say under oath and attorneys do not like to be surprised.
If you noticed Brit has not done any interviews since the conservatorship. I do not consider her interviews with OK or RS to be real interviews because the interviewers were not allowed to ask questions about the conservatorship and Brit was never left alone. The easiest way to get around having Brit testify is to argue she is incompetent and lacks capacity.
It is funny becaus Jamie’s decision to keep her away from the media has actually hurt her record sells. The lack of radio interview or tv appearances have hurt her sales.
May 8th, 2009 at 4:58 pm
Queen B. can you tell us more about the difference between competence and capacity? If it’s not your area that’s okay. Someone explained it to me and it didn’t sink in.
Fantasy, Ama, I adore accents and I love Adnan’s. It is very soothing, has texture, is interesting.
Ama, I thought in Great Britain and in other places that some think our accents are ugly. I think some French think we talk like we are eating oatmeal?
I briefly knew a girl from England who was in the U.S. Her mother was upset because she had taken on that “ugly accent.”
We have accents across 3,000 miles. NE, Boston, NY, Southern, all kinds. We also love our neighbors to the north and I believe we both make fun of each other on TV skits: comedy. Ohmygosh, I totally crack up to hear an accent from rural Minnesota. Why? Because there was a movie based there and the accents were so true that when I heard it live I couldn’t stop laughing: quietly. I have no idea why I was amused but yes in America we love accents. They are a turn on in some cases. Accents are charming. I have a pretty good French imitation. I am not making fun of anyone who is French but I love the accent.
A borrowed accent used over several months though is unusual you have to admit. Or not.
May 8th, 2009 at 5:08 pm
Oh Steeeeel. Are you out there? I have a theory for you.
Ste. Mag?
Hardly one of us civilians thought the driver’s license issue should have gone to trial.
btb, the media from then would be hilarious if it wasn’t so misleading, such as “Britney rejected the terms” and “she didn’t want a criminal record.” We know now it was the conservatorship, agreed?
We were all sort of looking for who to put the blame on for carrying things so far. We were offered the city attorney as our personal scapegoat.
He said he has his marching orders. What if the puny man pulled a few strings? What if the puny man was behind all of it?
Free publicity on a brand new album due out in the same time period. Wasn’t there a switch of dates? Anyone remember? Wasn’t there some b.s. about a remix or how this was perfectly normal in releasing an album?
Queen B. Valid point re what the public was told as to the end of c-ship. That was before the license trial, yes?
Meanwhile, Jordan gets 500,000 visitors per day? wow. Those numbers pack some punch.
May 8th, 2009 at 5:18 pm
btb, Steel and others. If my theory is right, then why the importance of saying things like Britney chose not to appear, Britney does not like court, and all the crap about J.S. protecting his daughter and testifying for her?
Just play along for a moment if you will. Assume that all the media we heard was untrue and styled: she never had a choice in the first place and by law wasn’t required to be there.
I think I posted documentation that she didn’t have the capacity? Flanagan provided the statements in by September 23, 2008 in a writ of prohibition and writ of mandate. Imagine if he suddenly challenged Judge Goetz’s ruling and tried to put Britney on the stand. A ludicrous idea right?
May 8th, 2009 at 5:49 pm
AM
No one was with Britney around the clock to safely said she speak english accent around the clock.
Thats was just one of the way that gossip press and haters drive the story about “bad, crazy Britney” foward, because they get there food on the table that way.
Anyway, if I was in the same situation as she was then, nobody to trust, terrifing losing her kids, heartbroken, Sam Lutfi in her head. On top of that, a dr who was showing lack of care for consequences, lefting pills in the hands of Sam Lutfi..
Getting my whole world falling down, ..well then I maybe talk in an accent who somebody who I find being a real person talk, a human being who treat me like a person and not as a bitch.
I do trust Jamie in the beginning, I will trust him now too, I´m just now so dissapointed in him because his try to bring Adnan down. Because without Jamies “belives” this would not be.. Or is it Lebel who being behind this? Have they done Jamie to a errand boy?
Jamie going for JM, OK fine. JM was treaten Adnan terrible from day one on his BH site. Very ugly. Is it only me who remeber that?
And JM was also not so friendly against Britney either. Pretending huge fan, was from the start, turn to a kind of stalker, bad.
JM never said any bad word about Sam Lutfi, even if, at least I, and some more ask why, time after time.
JM = Sam Lutfi = bad news.
Everyone with a soul made of plaque can go on, juges Britneys behavior and falling down then, but not those who have a singel human cell left in there soul and mind.
She have not turn away from somone, she have not left anybody, she have not select anybody exoept her kids.
And that make many people nevoues, they want to KNOW that they have the power over her, but she has just choice her kids, and her kids again.
They will never be sure if they own here. She and the kids. There is where she is.
Sadly she still have to carry the cost of Kevin Federline.
But he have to be a VERY good boy the rest of 15-20 years to come. In all ways.
If not, if he try to get permanent (?) full custody and relax with something he use to love…., maybe Share come and ask for sole custody of the kids she have with him, and who are going to pay that bill? Him, from Britneys money?
May 8th, 2009 at 5:54 pm
corrections:
She have not turn away from someone, she have not left anybody, she have not select anybody except her kids.
And that make many people nervous, they want to KNOW that they have the power over her, but she has just choice her kids, and her kids again.
They will never be sure if they own here.
She and the kids. There is where she is.
May 8th, 2009 at 6:06 pm
I agree with Queen B about Britney’s record sales
hurting because of her lack of real access to the
media and vice versa. Circus is to be what could
not be done with Blackout. Which is to give her a
proper comeback to the music scene. Sure Circus
has sold 3 million copies world wide. But I think
that more copies could have been sold if Britney
had been promoting the cd and tour back in January
when tour rehearsals started. So much was going on
in January they couldn’t risk her going off the
script they’d prepare for her.
Amethyst, who’s the puny man? Jamie? Who?
I think it’s a bunch of crap that was put out in
the media about Britney not testifying in the
driv. lic. trial because she doesn’t like court.
I betcha that Adnan doesn’t like going to court
either. I don’t like seeing him there. I’d hate
to ever have to go. But if I’m ordered and I must
be there then I’ll be there bright and early. No
excuses what so ever.
Britney has no say in nothing.
What Jamie says goes. And with the c-ship in
effect and the judge giving in to whatever
he/c-ship wants to do on Britney’s behalf no one
can beat that. They are legally untouchable.
The public will never hear Britney speak a full
unscripted sentence as long as she’s by law gagged
via the conservatorship from saying anything.
May 8th, 2009 at 6:14 pm
Very valid points, Ama.
I got to say that if talking in an accent made me feel closer to someone.. I don’t know. I have often thought of that as an explanation and there are those people who pick up accents and just can’t stop them.
I have done that a time or two but never for longer than a day or two. What do I know? Right? I’ll never stand in her shoes.
The most important thing to me that Eardley wrote was that part of about Kaplan and K-Fed (which includes Camp Spears) concentrating on making Britney look crazy. That’s not the exact wording but that is what he said.
What you write about Britney’s situation is very sad.
About JM? Yes he is an Adnan hater and a Lutfi sympathizer or something but he is useful. 500,000 hits. He keeps the question alive about c-ship.
I do not think Jamie is a pond if JM is telling the truth in the “destroy your ass” remark. On the other hand he could be getting crazy with power and satisfying other people that he can do the job. $18,000/month is a heady sensation.
I’ve never achieved that. I’ve come close and it is a heady sensation to pay off the credit cards and so on, forever. You appreciate what you have but there is that flirtation with feeling special. I still think this new job has given him something he lacked and has patched over a permanent hole he has. He can’t undo his past you see, his children’s formative years, the hurt to his wife or why he drank at all: what pain that?
What do you think of my theory on the driver’s license case? Surely even in your country you thought the charges and trial were ludicrous. So did we.
The prosecutor is not to be blamed. It will all be in an article some day, but there’s a little more research to fulfill.
and this ‘real’
it’s impossible if possible
at who’s blind word
so clear but so unheard
May 8th, 2009 at 6:40 pm
Fantasy-
The lack of promotion struck me because for a star of Brit’s caliber it does not make sense why they put out an album if they do not feel she is ready to deal with the press. The promotion for Circus was more than Blackout but she could have done more. How about Oprah, SNL, Today Show, the View, Larry King, American Idol. I could go on.
I remember MTV had big finale show for the end of TRL and all the big stars were Beyonce, Justin Timberlake etc. They named Brit’s Baby One More Time video the #1 TRL video but she was not there.
It is clear that Jamie/Co. do not want Brit to speak to the press unless there are strict parameters in place. Brit’s testimony is something Jamie wants to control like her interviews.
May 8th, 2009 at 6:49 pm
Queen B wrote, ‘Brit’s testimony is something Jamie wants to control like her interviews.’
Why? I know you said it earlier but could you restructure to include how it impacts c-ship?
May 8th, 2009 at 7:28 pm
AM-
I think Jamie does not want Brit to testify for a myriad reason. First, strategically, it might benefit Brit because the jury knows she is under a conservatorship/is treated like a child/can’t testify and they will feel sorry for her and that sympathy may equal a verdict in her favor. I honestly believe that is what happened in the criminal case. The jury knew that Brit has a hard time and they probably did not want to add to that burden.
Secondly, there is always the possibility that Brit may say something that will damage the conservatorship such as she does not like her dad being her conservator and she would prefer that the conservatorship be dissolved.
Thirdly, there is a chance that if Brit is put under oath, she could say something that could harm her case such as confirming the agreement with Wright or the contract with Lufti. Lynne made a number of allegations against Lufti in her book and Brit is one of the few people who can either corroborate or deny Lynne’s allegations.
There is no way Jamie is going to risk Brit saying something that either harms him or Lynne.
May 8th, 2009 at 8:03 pm
Brilliant. Thank you, Queen B. I tend to limit myself to capacity and c-ship. I still need to look closer at competency. That’s just for me in understanding things.
Do you think the theory on the license trial is far fetched?
May 9th, 2009 at 12:02 am
Every month I receive a newsletter from the State Bar of CA and today there was an insert that totally addressed the capacity issue and explained the whole conservatorship process. A lot of us have been confused about the whole capacity issue so this may be an answer to us all.
Capacity is defined as: the ability to understand the nature and consequences of your actions. If you lose capacity, the court may appoint a conservator. Probate Code Sections 811-813
A conservator is someone authorized by the court to manage your affairs. A conservator may be appointed if you become unable to make a)sound decisions, b)feed or dress yourself, c)handle your own finances or d)resist undue influences. Probate Code Section 1800-1804. (The only categories that seem to fit Brit are a); c) and d). I believe that Goetz metioned something about the complexity of Brit’s finances and her inability resist undue influence when she made the conservatorship permanent. People like Jordan Miller focus on the fact that Brit can feed and dress herself but ignore the other three factors the court considers).
Conservators maybe family members, friends, or in some cases the county public guardian. A conservator will receive court supervision in the handling of your affairs. You should be aware that the conservatorship can be expensive. (This is an understatement in Brit’s case. On a regular basis, she is paying Jamie/Andrew Wallet/Ingham/Jamie’s firm/Bryan Spears. One way for a conservatorship to dissovle is if the money runs out).
You can nominate your own conservator in an advance health directive for a judge’s future consideration. Probate Code Section 4672.(Brit could have done this but I’m sure she never thought she would be put under a conservatorship at 26 and thus she did not nominate anyone. I wonder who she would have chosen if given the chance).
Even after a petition for a conservatorship has been filed, you can nominate your own conservator if you have sufficient capacity to do so. Probate Code Section 1810. (Since the court determined in 2/08, that Brit did not have a capacity, she could not nominate her own conservator. So the issue of capacity is much bigger than Brit’s ability to testify in the Wright/Lufti lawsuits. If she is deemed to have capacity she could file a motion to get rid of Jamie/Wallet in favor of someone else but the court would have the final say on that).
If someone seeks to have a conservator appointed for you, you must be notified. Any you may oppose the conservatorship in a court hearing. Probate Code Section 1826. (Brit was not notified before the conservatorhsip but Jamie successfully argued that notice was not in Brit’s interest because that would have given Lufti prior notice as well. As everyone knows, Brit gave up her right to challenge the conservatorship according to Ingham).
I learned that a conservatee has more rights than I thought but everything depends on having a capacity. If you lack capacity, you’re out of luck unless you run out of money and then there is no conservatorship.
May 9th, 2009 at 1:05 am
Thanks, Queen B. I know that took awhile to consider and type up. So thank you very much.
My theory re the license trial is far fetched or no? It may not be your area of interest, but I thought I would ask your opinion.
p.s. There are private attorneys up and ready to serve as c-ship attorneys. I wonder that that is outside of the scope of county attorneys. There’s a professional association and everything. lol. not.
May 9th, 2009 at 1:05 am
Correction. There are people willing and wanting to serve as conservators.
May 9th, 2009 at 1:30 am
When you write the definition of capacity I
understand a lot better. It makes me think of
the concert in Canada where Britney brought every
thing to a stand still because of the marijuana
smoke. Although it wasn’t her smoking anything
illegal it seems to me that she understood that
by being around it and possibly having the scent
on her, her clothes, or hair it could affect her
random drug test results. (I assume she still gets
tested randomly).
She understands that if she is in the middle of
illegal activity of any kind anywhere that could
greatly affect her custodial time with her
sons. Gotta ask you Queen B just to be sure, what
would the definition of sound decision be?
I’m not a lawyer so I really need to have it all
broken down to me. Although people were surprised
that Britney stopped the concert (or paused it)
I think that it was a good decision that she made
so abruptly, considering her situation not only
as a mom with monitored visits with her boys,
but a conservatee of the state of California.
Am I making sense to anyone?
As for handling her own finances, no she can’t
and I don’t think ever did do that on her own.
There were people that she selected to handle
her financial business for her. All entertainers
do that. Whether or not these people took great
advantage of their position I can’t say. I do not
know if she had someone monitoring the people who
were to look after things financially. Britney
became rich at such a young age I doubt that she
paid much attention to where her money was going
or knew how to properly invest it. As long as she
could use a credit card and shop like she wanted
I don’t think she was too concerned about that
stuff.
And lastly, the undue influence issue. Honestly,
Queen B, I think it cuts both ways. At 27 years
old she still seems to be easily influenced by
her peers. Generally I think she does and can make
good choices but she’s still got the mentality of
a teenager. Not 13 or 14. But like between 17-19.
I could blame this on her being in showbiz at such
a young age or her parents. Could be both.
She has to learn to be a better judge of a
person’s character and not let people use her like
they did. People do only what you allow them to.
Clearly Britney didn’t have an emergency medical
plan just in case she became ill in any way.
When you’re that young you don’t see that far
ahead. I don’t know if she even would have known
what to ask for if she did want, like, a durable
power of attorney at ages 18-20 when she was a
major star. She and Lynne were really close back
then so I’d guess that she would have chosen her
mom to look after her if anything came up.
Hopefully someday soon the capacity issue will be
addressed because I think it’s time for it.
She’s working and earning major money. That should
count for something as far as capability.
Her disability isn’t permanent. She can function.
She proved that in all 37 of her concerts.
I’ll stop now. It’s late where I am.
Thanks Queen B for answering our questions.
Good night everyone.
May 9th, 2009 at 1:32 am
AM-
Your theory regarding Brit’s license trial is interesting. If I am correct, you believe that Jamie was the one who pushed for the trial to happen and you may be right. It is important to remember that Brit does not have any control over her life so any decision made is in effect Jamie’s decision. Why did Jamie push for a trial? You say publicity. I think that Jamie believed that Brit could win in court because the case seemed frivolous and the jury would sympathize with her given her life situation.
In regards to conservatorships, I certainly believe that there is a group of attorneys who are willing to serve as conservators outside of those who are working for the government. The county attorneys would only represent the poor mentally ill man on the street who happens to get disability payments from the government but everyone else is usually represented by some private attorney.
May 9th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
Good morning. Catching up here.
Queen B. I was thinking more like Brit’s management than Jamie on his own pushing for the trial.
I was also considering that someone could have pushed the prosecutor’s boss to direct the offense to trial.
Anything is possible in this Hollywood environment. I learned from Ste. Mag and from many discussions here, to look at things a little differently than I might have in the past.
In the past I wouldn’t have wanted to consider any tampering at the court level, but then there were many things I didn’t want to believe. It’s been a bit of a hindrance as a researcher.
Steel and I were funny because we were often juxtaposed in our views and consideration. I’d like to think I have become more open-minded to what I called her shrewd thinking. She was willing to see or discuss corruption much faster than I. Why am I using past tense?
Well I look forward to seeing her when she comes back. Off to read Fantasy’s mega post.
May 9th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
Fantasy. It’s been a long time since we visited the issue of long term thinking.
Britney did have provisions in place for her trusts in case of unsound mind, illness etc.
What she didn’t have in place was a plan for medical care that I know. Queen touched on this.
I still think there was more to the story of marijuana and various shout-outs (did they stop by coincidence?).
May 9th, 2009 at 3:01 pm
I am glad that the shout-outs stopped.
Why’d they begin? That’s a good question I think.
Other than the wardrobe malfunction in Florida
there were either 3 or 4 times she randomly
blurted out something that didn’t seem to make
any sense.
It was from 3/24 in D.C. to 4/8 in Vancouver.
I can’t figure it out.
I thought she must have been rebelling, being
silly, or starting to crack under the pressure.
Like I said, I’m glad that she stopped that.
Lately I noticed that she’s wearing less and less
of her costumes. Maybe it all doesn’t mean a
thing. Sorry for the extra long post again.
Sometimes when I start it’s hard to stop.
May 9th, 2009 at 4:04 pm
Album came out Dec 2 ‘08
MTV awards Sep 7
Womanizer released to the radio Sep 26.
Video Sep 29
Jun 18 Flanagan files motion to dismiss
Sep 3 Judge Steele denies the motion
Sep 23 ” writ of prohibition (Queen would this have protected her from prosecution?)and writ of mandate (77 pages. Filed Sep 29) (denied by Judge Steele)
So at this level it would seem Camp Spears wanted to avoid charges and in the writ it was claimed it would be irreparably injurious to her at a time when she could not meaningfully participate. With a stay such as this Britney would have to defend herself. It would cost her time and expense.
The writ “addresses issues that would not be relevant in a trial based on merits. The issue of guilt or innocence is not relevant or material to the applicability of the procedures dictated by Section 40610 of the California Vehicle Code.”
Neither here nor there. I just wanted to know for myself or thinking out aloud.
Fantasy. I have to go with the exhalers on this one. I hoped that she would shout-out again.
May 9th, 2009 at 4:23 pm
Thank you for defining “capacity”. I understand how this can apply to Sam and Brit keeping in touch with him. But are they using applying that wrong decision to Adnan too? Is that why she lack capacity because she wants to see him?
Happy Mother’s Day everyone
May 9th, 2009 at 4:24 pm
My grammar was terrible. Sorry about that.
May 9th, 2009 at 4:29 pm
Happy Mother’s Day, Biggie Small!
May 9th, 2009 at 4:49 pm
A little more legal jargon, but something interesting as to whether Britney was ever going to testify or if she was even offered lesser charges or plea bargain.
p2 Opposition to Defendant’s Motion to Dismiss
Aug 11, 2008
Footnote: The Defendant has maintained that as a result of her being placed under a conservatorship, she can not attest to anything in this Court.
and from Factual Background further above that the footnotes refers to:
On February 1, 2008, the court presiding over In re Marriage of Spears, Case Number BD 455662, appointed the Defendant’s father to be her conservator as a result of her erratic behavior. Based on the premise that the Defendant cannot testify or agree to any plea bargain as a result of her being placed under conservatorship, this case has been continued.
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That’s just background. The prosecutor argues that Flanagan’s arguments are based on infractions, not misdemeanor charges, fyi.
Can a c-ship plead guilty or not guilty to a charge? Doesn’t seem like they could…
May 10th, 2009 at 3:03 am
First, let me start by saying that some nights
I don’t sleep very well.
Which leads me to this.
There are a couple of sites that are reporting
that during one song on the last night of the
North American tour, in Montreal, Britney dedicated the song Everytime to a guy named Gary.
The reports suggest that Gary could be a code name
for Adnan.
I searched a while before I wrote this.
Gary could be anybody. An employee, fan, etc.
But, anyway, I for now will take this with a grain
of salt. I just wrote this because it’s out there.
Personally, I’d love for this to be 100% true.
It would mean that Britney knows what is happening
to Adnan and she still cares or hasn’t forgotten
about him and such.
Here are some links to video from that song/night.
Hope they work.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9byc-L_fv4
Or this one.
http://britneybash.com/britney-dedicated-everytime-gary-maybe-adnan-ghalib
May 10th, 2009 at 9:08 am
Oh dear.
I’m not even going to try to catch up at this point until I can actually sit down and wade through it all. I’ve missed a lot!
Just wanted to wish everyone a happy Mother’s Day.
May 10th, 2009 at 10:30 am
Hi, St.Mag. You’ve been missed.
I hope you’re back for good.
Happy Mother’s Day to all of the mommies.
Have a great day everybody.
May 10th, 2009 at 4:30 pm
Fantasy. While I too hope St. Mag is back for good, I admire the projects she is working on and her focus.
That being said: WELCOME BACK ST. MAG!
May 11th, 2009 at 2:01 am
I just went to BH and there was post about who was a hotter mother Britney or Christina and you can tell from the comments that a lot of Brit fans are still under the misconception that Brit has 50/50 custody which she does not.
Those of us who know the case and read the documents know all Brit has expanded visitation. Even for parents who do not share physical custody, they do share legal custody because most parents want a say in making all of the important decisions. Conservatorship means that Brit cannot have legal custody and I wish the Brit fans understood that. The Brit fans do not realize that when the conservatorhsip is over, Kevin/Kaplan will insist that she still be monitored so nothing really has changed.
Kaplan told OK that Kevin and the boys will be traveling to Europe. They will be staying close to where Brit is performing. In addition, Kaplan also said that the boys will be celebrating their birthdays in Europe.
I really feel sorry for Brit because it does not seem like the conservatorship will end anytime soon. One year was understandable but two years would really be pushing it. What I would like to see is some sort of transition from being under conservatorship to resuming her life as an independent adult and I do not see that happening. Remember, this conservatorship was supposed to be temporary. The plan was for Jamie/Co. to take over until Brit got stronger but now the conservatorship is becoming a way of life which is not good.
May 11th, 2009 at 8:54 am
Good morning all.
Queen B. Britney’s last tour date is on 7/26.
The boy’s birthday is in September.
Do you think the tour will be extended even more?
I think so. I could see the tour ending fall ‘09.
Don’t get me started with the BH kids.
They are young over there. I doubt that they know
the custody facts. They believe what they want to.
There is no transition being put forth to wean
Britney from the dependency of the c-ship/dad or
others. I’m growing more and more pessimistic by
the day. It’s because the original purpose of the
conservatorship has shifted and gone in another
direction. The public and Britney fans have been
mislead on a number of things.
I can’t wait to see how the Jamie Spears fans
(he’s got them too) react when no one petitions
for the c-ship to terminate by year’s end. Or even
next year. Her people will probably still claim
that she’s not fully recovered or her finances
still need more attention. I said it before, there
will have to be a medical & financial balance
before they will allow the c-ship to terminate.
I don’t see a partial end. It will have to be
both. If ever at all.
You wanna know what I really think?
I think Britney is screwed. F***ed for life.
It’s such a shame. As of now it doesn’t look like
she’ll be given her life back.
If I am later proven wrong then awesome.
But it’s a shame. I feel that this is just how
her life will be. If she has accepted her fate
then good for her. Maybe we all need to accept
it as well.
May 11th, 2009 at 9:06 am
Btw. Did anyone know that there’s temporary
conservatorships and probate as well as LPS
conservatorships? I didn’t know until today.
Britney’s is probate. But there was a time I
thought it was either Temp. or LPS because the
words “gravely disabled” were used to describe
Britney’s state of being.
http://www.canhr.org/factsheets/legal_fs/html/fs_ProbateConservatorships.htm
Queen B, can you tell us if the c-ship was temp.
and later became probate.
Does if matter now? Is the difference that great?
May 11th, 2009 at 9:09 am
http://www.calprobatelaw.com/page10.html
May 11th, 2009 at 9:13 am
First link isn’t availble anymore. It was earlier.
So Temp. is considered Probate. Okay.
Bare with me I’m learning.
May 11th, 2009 at 11:27 am
Fantasy-
I have read about the LPS conservatorship. As far as I know, the only outlet that ever used the term “gravely disabled” in regards to Brit was TMZ and who knows what there source was for that because it certainly was not the courts. I can find no legal document online that classified Brit as “gravely disabled”. TMZ used the term “gravely disabled” after Brit’s second 5150. They were arguing that because Brit was so out of it, the initial 3 day hold would be extended without court order to 14 days.
Fantasy, you metioned the word “acceptance” in regards to Brit’s conservatorship. I do not think I will accept the conservatorship lasting for more than two years because I think that there is a way for Brit to live an independent life while still having someone look over her from time to time. We’ve talked about eliminating the conservatorship of the person while maintaing the conservatorship over the estate. I’m sure there are other options.
I was thinking about how many millions the tour is going to make but legally, Brit does not have the right to touch any of it. What is the point of making millions of dollars if you do not have the right to control it. I would much rather be Pink and make 10 million on tour than be Brit and make 100 million at least Pink knows that whatever she makes belongs to her. She is in charge of her life and nobody tells her what to do.
In my opinion, the ability to control one’s life and that of their children is priceless so the fact that the tour is doing well and raking in millions is completely meaningless to me. I wish Brit fans could understand my point of view. All they care about is seeing their idol in concert.
May 11th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
Queen. I think you made a good point that it has become a lifestyle.
I think Nancy Grace used the term “gravely disabled.” She was trying to understand a subject matter expert and said something like, “You mean to tell me she is gravely disabled? She can’t feed or cloth herself?”
It was all over the Internet the next day that Britney was “gravely disabled.” No one on the program ever said Britney was “gravely disabled” as a statement of certainty. I’m sure the transcript is available online.
I find exhale depressing sometimes when there are so many who just don’t care about the c-ship. You are right that all they care about is their access to Britney, to see their idol in concert, making albums, selling perfumes, Twittering.
I haven’t heard a voice there in awhile asking for Britney do interviews.
There are some other voices but they are outnumbered.
As for custody, I myself was lulled into visitation v. custody. I mean, I knew it at some level but hadn’t read the documents until you put up a link here.
btw, was that supposed to a dog in the hands of the skinny man in the blurred X17 pic? I feel sad if it was given Britney’s hands to her sides. Look but don’t touch. Was it a dog?
May 11th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
Hi Amethyst. How are you?
Yes, that appears to be a dog the person is
holding. Here’s a picture that’s a bit clearer.
http://britneyspearsblackout.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/b-1-la-5809.jpg
May 11th, 2009 at 12:47 pm
I was thinking of ways Brit could be helped outside of the conservatorship. I remember watching some show on tv about celebrities who have addiction problems. Some of these celebrities hire or retain someone to act as a “sober companion”. This person’s job is to make sure that the celebrity regardless of where there are avoids drugs and alcohol.
I see no reason why Brit could not hire someone like a therapist. The therapist would be there to support Brit emotionally as she goes about her life. Brit would obviously determine how much time they spent together. She could be a live in person or she could see her once or twice a week. The therapist could give Brit advice and guidance. Brit would receive help on her own terms as opposed to control.
I sincerely hope that Jamie is thinking about these kind of alternatives because Brit is an adult and people should start treating her like one. Jamie could say to Brit that he will agree to end the conservatorship over the person if she agrees to see a therapist on an on-going basis. Brit can select the therapist that she feels most comfortable with and Jamie could even retain control over the money.
The bottom line is Brit needs more independence.
May 11th, 2009 at 4:55 pm
I think Britney could be allowed to have her money back as well as her freedom. She can hire the best financial advisers in the world just like her father has. A financial management firm was named in the last accounting.
A live-therapist has got to be cheaper than the money Britney is paying to the co-conservators and attorneys.
It would be nice if Britney had the freedom to choose any of the people around her.
Fantasy. Hi. It goes and you?
May 11th, 2009 at 4:56 pm
Fantasy. Thanks for the pic.
May 11th, 2009 at 10:10 pm
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20278313,00.html
http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/Pay-Me-My-Money-Down-lyrics-Bruce-Springsteen/E20AD0D6041ACE514825715000089F80
May 11th, 2009 at 10:13 pm
Pay me my money down, only.
May 12th, 2009 at 12:50 am
That comes to a total of $325,356 dollars.
I don’t think that any of the men should have to
pay Britney’s legal fees for bringing the
restraining orders against them.
Adnan didn’t even fight the restraining order and
they still want money from him.
Imagine what the fee would be if he had fought it.
I think that more than anything Jamie & Co are
making a statement by doing this.
They have the power & (Britney’s) money to do as
they please. They’re being a**holes as usual.
Question. What if they don’t pay up. Then what?
May 12th, 2009 at 1:21 am
Fantasy-
When I read the People article about the legal fees I was shocked at the high amount, in particular the fees attributed to Adnan considering he did not even contest the restraining order.
What is crazy about the fee is that the restraining order case I believe started late January/early Feb of this year so you have legal fees in excess of 300,000 for three months worth of work.
If the court denies Jamie’s request for attorney’s fees, Brit will have to pay the bill just like she has paid for everyone’s attorney’s fees. It is important to remember that even though Jamie asked for the conservatorship, he has not had to pay for it. Every bill that has been incurred during the conservatorship has been paid for by Brit.
By the time this conservatorship is over, the total cost for all of the attorneys will probably be around 2-4 million. No wonder Brit is on tour, the conservatorship is bleeding her dry.
May 12th, 2009 at 2:06 am
Fantasy Says:
May 11th, 2009 at 8:54 am
You wanna know what I really think?
I think Britney is screwed. F***ed for life.
It’s such a shame. As of now it doesn’t look like
she’ll be given her life back.
If I am later proven wrong then awesome.
But it’s a shame. I feel that this is just how
her life will be. If she has accepted her fate
then good for her. Maybe we all need to accept
it as well.
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Well fantasy you have just said what I’ve been thinking for a LONG while. I didn’t want to say out loud. And if you/we are wrong, then great! But the future does not look promising. Sorry to sound pessimistic.
I wish I could see Jamie and say “maybe” he’ll do this or that, but I don’t see it.
And Lynn Spears continues to do absolutely NOTHING. Maybe she’s waiting for God to tell her what to do and usually that sign comes via other people. What does she do to support herself?
I’m still reading.
May 12th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
Queen B. I think that it’s the hourly fee of the
lawyer or lawyers that makes Britney’s legal fees
enormous. Who knows if a different lawyer was
used to handle each man’s restraining order case.
Maybe I’m far from being right but I think that
other than Jon Eardley the other two men most
likely don’t have the money that Jamie’s/Britney’s
team are demanding.
I can only imagine how much Adnan’s legal bill
from his criminal case is now and the case hasn’t
even gone to trial yet. He also faces a civil suit
from Moskowitz.
Where did Lutfi get the money to fight the TRO?
Or the other suit against Jamie, Lynne, & Britney?
Last I heard he was struggling to pay his rent
and credit card bill.
The tour funds a number of things and people.
1. Attorney’s
2. Her family
Lynne receives money on a monthly basis from
Britney. Lynne is “retired”.
In a document posted by Amethyst, I discovered
that Britney’s uncle Reginald Covington has
exclusive control and management of all assets
in Louisiana and has done so since 1999.
Basically, no one in the Spears’ inner circle is
strapped for cash.
I wanna be a Spears!
May 12th, 2009 at 12:28 pm
My what a cultivated strawberry patch.
I never thought I would look across the garden to People for information on what happens in LA court rooms.
I had once looked to TMZ, X17, and Radaronline to supplement what I might have also read in mainstream news.
People, etc. 80% women and was it ages 19-43?
A quick eyeball at one local mainstream news service:
Page 1
LOS ANGELES TIMES MEDIA GROUP
Los Angeles Times Reader Demographics
•
38% more likely to have a HHI of $150,000
• 49% more likely to have a home valued at $1 million
• Median Age: 45
• College Educated: 67%
• Own their own home: 64%
Los Angeles Times readers are affluent and stylish.
•
68% of our readers prefer products made by a company they trust even if they are more expensive.
• 53% of our readers enjoy wearing the latest fashions.
• 66% will spend on high-end, quality brands.
Sources: Scarborough Research, Los Angeles, CA 2008 Study R2; MRI DoubleBase Los Angeles 2008, Sept 2008 ABC Publishers Statement..
Strength of the Los Angeles Times
• Nation’s largest metropolitan newspaper
• 3.5 million print readers a week
• Nearly 4.6 million unduplicated readers between
print and online
The only residents allowed to be on a jury or serve in the courtroom as judge, court reporter, public affairs etc. Just wondering.
Recently omitted from TMZ, X17, Radaronline, LA Times, AP, Reuters (they tend to be sporadic anyhow):
April 21: Blair Berk, tape, and capacity or competence to testify, held behind chambers but it seems others got the story
May 4: Spears family attempts to get additional names on the criminal TRO against Adnan
May 11: The c-ship tries to recoup attorney’s fees that would financially devastate or cream out future or current Defense funds for any or all of the TRO or PRO defendants.
Am I being biased in believing that all three make the c-ship look bad? Over-aggressive? What’s the word I am looking for? As having a personal agenda? Vindictive?
Did the information come from court documents, public affairs, or an attorney coming down the steps, after the motion was filed?
True, Radar aired 15 minutes of the trial but the text copy they left up didn’t say anything about the Spears family and their attempt “to do further and permanent damage” on Adnan.
No wonder you’ve been waiting all your life, MT.
May 12th, 2009 at 12:57 pm
Correction. TMZ covered the last court date but only to bother to say, “A criminal protective order was just granted against Adnan Ghalib on behalf of Ram Maskowtiz — the process server Adnan allegedly ran over with his car in February.”
Um. I am sure it is pure coincidence but the entire story is gone now from Radaronline. The link posted by MH on May 4 at 6:12 p.m. points to a different story.
# MH Says:
May 4th, 2009 at 6:12 pm
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/05/preliminary-hearing-set-britneys-ex
I combed Radar’s site and the story they originally ran with is gone. I’d appreciate a second pair of eyes. Is the link above the same story? I seem to remember less text and mention of the court room feed when they first ran the story.
I should be studying for finals.
May 12th, 2009 at 1:29 pm
I’m not so sure if the entire text is the same.
Looks like it though. The photo is the same.
Amethyst, do you think there will be cameras in
the courtroom next week when Adnan goes back to
court? And why was Edan granted a TRO?
To my knowledge Adnan hasn’t ever had any sort of
contact with him.
Do you think RM and Edan will move to make the
order permanent?
Any documents of Ram’s and Edan’s TRO?
When does it expire? Just wondering.
May 12th, 2009 at 2:46 pm
Thank you, Fantasy for your extra pair of eyes. fyi, there wasn’t a photo before because the video was there. I am thinking the whole original article from that day was pulled rather than modified maybe.
Really good question re Edan. I have the same questions and would like some proof that he is on there. I keep seeing him that day some paps were arrested out by the fire entrance of The Summit. There was a cyclone fence. So he does more than stand by her side?
In re the trial or next court date, no one has bragged yet that they will be live in the courtroom that I know of.
It is harder to check things on this case because it’s criminal. If we could there would be a Party of Interest. They are not always named in what is free online to see. Anyway they have to get permission and there is usually an indication if they are denied.
Sorry I keep talking about the news but my undergrad is in public relations: media fascinates me and there aren’t many people who share that fascination. St. Mag is one but I don’t think lol that even she has the patience sometimes to hear me out.
Fantasy. I hope you have read between the lines in the past few days: I aim to be discreet but consider some of my more whacked theories of late. This board has always been an important place of discussion and I wouldn’t nearly as far on this path if it weren’t for all of the posters here.
Okay. One last time and this comes from a sibling:
‘I tried to explain the difference between the two terms in a previous email. “Competency” has to do with standing trial, being able to understand the trial proceedings. “Capacity” has to do with culpability related to the particular charge or allegation. Most crimes include an intent or “mens rea” element. If one lacks the capacity to commit the crime, the intent element is not satisfied. A claim of insanity at the time a crime or act was committed goes to the issue of capacity. There are some defenses of “diminished capacity”, such as intoxication or duress.’
May 12th, 2009 at 2:50 pm
p.s. Fantasy. I am studying nut graphs, kickers, streamers, tri-pods, multi-decks etc. and that’s a tiny section. lol
I would so rather be researching the case but I actually need to learn these things. Press pass and all.
May 12th, 2009 at 4:45 pm
Hi, Fantasy and others. I can confirm the second name on the TRO. More info to follow by end of the week maybe.
As to May 18th, it should be fairly short and to the point. Defense/Prosecution will meet to confirm that they have all that they need from Discovery, i.e. Defense has that tape they requested and the D.A. has whatever they asked for. In other words, everyone has what they need to prepare for a trial.
There was also some mention as to if it gets that far as far as a preliminary trial. (don’t ask because I don’t know. Maybe Queen B. does.)
Queen B. any reason to think that the case will go to trial after discovery? What if the pics Defense gets are no better than they had May 4th, for example?
May 12th, 2009 at 4:48 pm
Queen B., I should have asked will it automatically go to trial?
May 12th, 2009 at 7:18 pm
AM-
If based on the pictures, the defense can show that there is no probable cause to believe a crime was committed, they can file a motion to dismiss the case. The prosecution will obviously contest that motion and the judge will make the final decision. Who knows what will happen?
I wish Adnan all the best. I wish it was Lufti sitting in that courtroom. Lufti must have the best luck. Not only was he not charged for hitting that process server but he was able to hire an attorney to defend himself against the PRO and he is now suing Brit for millions. Unbelievable.
May 12th, 2009 at 7:56 pm
Thanks, Queen. That’s what I wanted to know and how easily you put it. Thank you. There is hope.
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Meanwhile, and this is really just for fun or not, but as I am studying for finals,
Describe libertarian v. authoritarian v. social responsibility based news models.
If you wish to play along, which of the three is a tabloid?
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Thanks again, Queen! That’s what I was thinking.
May 12th, 2009 at 9:52 pm
Queen. You are right. It is unbelievable about Lutfi.
I can only imagine that Lutfi and Jamie Spears each has something on the other. Jamie has the attorneys and the media. What is or has been, Lutfi holding back?
Does he have his own brand of chivalry or loyalty? I emphasize his own brand because it hasn’t always been so obvious what that brand is.
May 13th, 2009 at 8:15 am
Morning.
Amethyst, sorry I didn’t get back to you.
I had an appointment yesterday.
It took forever.
It’s wonderful that you’re moving ahead with your
studies and everything else.
It looks like you’ve found your niche.
Stick with it.
Queen B. In your opinion, have either side had
enough Discovery time?
I think I heard in court that the defense would
have to subpoena for the pics.
I just want to know that if either side needs more
time will the judge allow it.
They were only given two weeks.
I’ll talk to you guys later. bbs.
May 13th, 2009 at 10:39 am
Fantasy-
It seems like this case is moving really fast. My guess is that if the defense needs more time for discovery the judge will allow it because it is not as if a trial date has been set. If there were no witnesses around, the pictures maybe the only key piece of evidence out there.
My biggest worry about Adnan is that because he is a pap, the jury maybe biased against him. A lot of people harbor negative feelings against the paparazzi and think they are all criminals. Like any profession, they are some good paps and bad paps. What people do not realize is that many celebrities want and desperately need to get their pictures taken otherwise they won’t get any work.
May 13th, 2009 at 11:40 am
Morning, Fantasy!
Yeppers, found a niche. Thank you.
Queen. Adnan, as I see it, has three things going against him and not in any particular order. Okay, yes, I will prioritize.
o) his character, credibility and image have been systematically assassinated since the beginning
o) he is a pap — an occupation that is a subculture that few people in the mainstream understand, i.e., that there are good and bad, tasteful and not tasteful, respectful and disrespectful.
o) he is Afghan. This goes with the first bullet and any press re deporting him, or being associated with terrorists. (this one pains me but c’mon there is a reality that some jurors…)
There is quite a bit of excitement at the courthouse for unknown reasons according to someone I spoke with yesterday. She told me that the deal with felonies — horrible, deep, sad, frightening felonies so what is all the excitement about? Why are the employees talking about this case?
And then you have my little nerd or niche interest. How does the media influence the media or create a buzz at the courthouse? What effect does this have in the courtroom? What effect does it have in the department of public affairs?
It’s just a thought in being thorough.
MT, I will slake your thirst. Thanks for sharing.
May 13th, 2009 at 11:41 am
p.s. Queen, yes, the celebrities need the paps. We spent time here talking about it and how the machine works including celebs earning money on shoots.
May 13th, 2009 at 1:30 pm
05/11/2009 Notice – Probate (OF ERRATA RE HEARING DATE ON CAPTI ON TO DECL. OF JOEL E. BOXER )
Filed by Attorney for Conservator
05/08/2009 Declaration – Probate (DECLARATION OF JOEL E. BOXER RE TOTAL ATTORNEYS FEES AND COSTS RE REQUESTS FOR INJUNCTIONS )
Filed by Attorney for Petitioner
May 13th, 2009 at 1:50 pm
Amethyst, what’s with all of the excitement at the
courthouse? Especially surrounding those with
felony charges. Is the excitement about Adnan’s
case in particular? What else was said? I don’t
really understand it.
I also don’t understand why a jury would possibly
be biased against Adnan because of his occupation.
He’s a pap. Not a pimp. (Excuse my expression.)
The alleged incident has nothing to do with him
photographing celebs. Does it?
I do understand the interest some may have with
him and what’s happening to him because of the
Britney connection. That’s part of my interest.
(Just telling you the truth.)
No matter how this all ends (finger’s crossed)
I send lots of good vibes Adnan’s way.
I hope his attorney does his absolute best and
defends him in court as if it were his own
freedom on the line.
May 13th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
“Amethyst Mine Says:
May 13th, 2009 at 11:40 am
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MT, I will slake your thirst. Thanks for sharing.”
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AM, have to ask. Have looking for what MT could have sharing and I cant find anything for days back.
What sharing are you talking about?
May 13th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
Fantasy. I don’t know what the buzz is about other than a connection to Spears. Afterall, he was or is her boyfriend, in person. He’s a commoner like us. I don’t know if they are saying there he is, the one who lit up her heart or something else. Probably all of it plus I heard this, I heard that, I read about that somewhere.
I wonder if it buzzed just as much or more when her driver’s license case came up that was also in Van Nuys.
I don’t think Van Nuys is where TMZ goes daily. The c-ship has all been at the LA Court on North Hill street.
As to paps, I wish I could take the knowledge I’ve accumulated over the past 15 months and share it.
You have heard of the P-Card before, yes? Blame it on the pap. I experienced it myself in making a few calls to the LAPD. The paps get blamed for everything. They are like a subspecies to some. LAPD does not see individuals in paps.
I can’t remember which celebrity had her house broken into some months back but she blamed it on the paps. Madonna blamed her horse fall on a pap. Paps have little voice and little credibility based on the work that they do which is sometimes very sneaky and stalker-ish.
I don’t know where it is on here but JFX used to have a small thread about paparazzi but I learned alot more from MT, R and a few others.
Finally, surely you have also heard the disdain and ridicule of Britney taking up with a paparazzo?
And think about the systematic destruction of Adnan’s character and life in the media. If it does go to trial, then ideally it would fair and the jurors unbiased but jurors are human and media does get in.
I did try to get some of the gossip or what they were buzzing about, but my source was making a point about a small phenomena and didn’t get into what they were saying but the fact that anyone was talking about it. She had helped me enough so I let her go without becoming a pest. You never know when I might have to ask for her assistance again and I am building a network.
May 13th, 2009 at 4:30 pm
‘LAPD does not see individuals in paps.’
I shouldn’t generalize about all of the LAPD, but as I did let me add that they see all paps alike.
It’s a prejudice.
May 13th, 2009 at 5:16 pm
Hey, Ama. If you are out there I saw your post on Murdoch and Cantor.
Did you know Murdoch also owns myspace.com? I did not.
May 13th, 2009 at 5:48 pm
Courtesy of Factiva:
SPEARS DREAMS OF TEACHING CAREER
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12 May 2009
02:00 PM
World Entertainment News Network
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(c) 2009 World Entertainment News Network, All Rights Reserved
May 12, 2009 (WENN via COMTEX) — BRITNEY SPEARS dreams of giving up her life as a pop star to become a school teacher, according to her cousin ALLI SIMS.
Sims grew up with Spears in their hometown of Kentwood, Louisiana and worked as the star’s assistant in 2007.
The 28 year old was dismissed by the singer’s father Jamie when he took control of her personal and professional affairs following a public breakdown last year (08).
But Sims insists the Toxic hitmaker, who has two young sons with ex-husband Kevin Federline, frequently discussed her desire to work with children and even thought about giving up her music career to retrain as a teacher.
Sims tells British magazine Reveal, “Britney would always say, ‘Maybe I just want to be a teacher. I just want to do something on a normal level. I’ve been something big for so long.’”
May 13th, 2009 at 6:25 pm
Ama. Ignore my comment at 5:16. He owns everything. Sam Zell is also interesting.
About MT, that’s a note I think he will understand and as it was intended for him there’s no need to elaborate.
Good to see you though.
May 13th, 2009 at 11:50 pm
http://twitter.com/SamLutfi
May 14th, 2009 at 1:05 am
Why is Sam Lutfi trying to take credit for
something that never happened?
Once Britney lost custody of her sons in early
October 2007 that was that.
She did regain visitations with them, but she
didn’t then (2007), nor now have custody.
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1573132/20071030/spears_britney.jhtml
You can only blame the conservatorship for so
much. Britney didn’t comply with the judge’s
orders. She did what she wanted, how and when.
The judge felt that she hadn’t yet proved that
she was fit to regain custody.
She’s had monitored visitation with her sons since
late ‘07. For the record, Britney has never
regained custody of her boys.
We all know that. Someone should inform Sam Lutfi
of this. What a lying P.O.S. he is.
May 14th, 2009 at 1:26 am
Sam Lufti is such a liar. He is such a dishonest person and no one should trust anything he has to say. He took advantage of woman who was at her lowest point and he used her troubles to his advantage. He loved having so much control over her and he will not stop until he regains control of her again.
I remember first hearing about Sam in October 2007 after Brit lost physical custody of the boys. I remember him saying that the lost of custody was just temporary and that Brit would soon regain custody and of course we all know that did not happen.
If Brit had not had the meltdown at her home in January 08, she may have regained custody that year. I wonder what set her off. At the end of every visit, Kevin’s bodyguard picks up the boys but for some reason that day was different and she did not want to hand the boys over and then the police were called. If you believe Lynne, Sam lied to Brit and told her she could keep the boys past the appointed time and freaked out at the thought of having to give them up because Sam told her that Kevin said she keep the boys past 7pm. If Lynne is telling the truth, Sam is a despicalbe human being who should be locked up.
May 14th, 2009 at 1:58 pm
AM I noticed you post something about Alli Sims, so I was wondering what everybody’s thoughts were about her. I know many put her in the same league as Sam, but I never did. She just might have been duped into believing he was a nice guy right along with Britney.
May 14th, 2009 at 2:19 pm
Small, I didn’t realize Alli has been so active. Ryan Seacrest promoted her?
I don’t know what to think of her other than she was apparently doing what she was told by someone and well into the spirit of that systematic destruction of Adnan’s image.
Remember that Splash caught her saying that she only had to say the one thing to US Weekly?
Meanwhile, yoyobrit is hollering at Sam on Twitter? LMAO
thx for the link, MH.
May 14th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
For Adnan. Don’t let ‘em take yo’money! Send Korn in.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zTxUxFjLB0
May 14th, 2009 at 4:13 pm
http://www.nowmagazine.co.uk/celebrity-news/341505/alli-sims-britney-spears-s-dad-told-me-to-stay-away/1/
Whoever Sims’ publicist is they need to come up with better material.
Is Alli really that bad of person, Jamie? Or is she guilty by association with Sam?
May 14th, 2009 at 4:23 pm
Just curious, but why would Kevin Federline’s name ever need to be added on a TRO that already includes the children? To me that is a little sneaky and would have invited Kaplan to join in.
Also, in viewing Camp Spears from a hillside, I wonder why they would want the public to believe that Adnan worked for JFXOnline. Me thinks it was to begin a smear campaign against JFX as being in cahoots with raking in the money. The lawyers weren’t so bold though to say what agencies if any, Adnan was allegedly selling photos to after Britney would “innocently inform him” as to her whereabouts.
JFX has been a stronghold throughout all of this.
Camp Spears/Entertainment Management = the systematic destruction of a person’s life.
May 14th, 2009 at 4:44 pm
Some interesting stats on People.com Was Britney a significant contributor to this growth?
‘Despite considerable competition in the blogosphere from an array of newer players chasing celebrity triumphs and scandals, Time Inc.’s People.com-the Web extension of the 3.62 millioncirc People, the 34-year-old chronicle of entertainers we love and remarkable everyday peoplegrew its audience by an eye-popping 48 percent in 2007, adding roughly 1.7 million monthly unique users for a total of 5.3 million as of December, per Nielsen Online. People.com is, in fact, one of the most trafficked magazine-generated sites, up there with the online offshoots of Time and Newsweek. The momentum continues this year, with February racking up still more traffic records. The site recorded 6.3 million monthly uniques in February, per Nielsen Online. Feb. 25, the day after the Oscars, turned out to be the most heavily trafficked day in the site’s history, with 57 million page views, besting its previous single-day record by 10 percent, according to the site.’
….
On the ad side, People.com reports ad revenue in ‘07 grew 285 percent versus the year prior. The site boasts 28 ad categories, including entertainment, auto, apparel and beauty. Advertisers include Verizon Wireless, JC Penney and Quantas Airlines. New accounts include Tiffany & Co., Chase and Toyota. (Meanwhile, the print edition of People, the biggest moneymaker of all magazines, continues to thrive, its ad revenue in 2007 reaching a staggering $979.8 million, up 12.3 percent year over year, per Publishers Information Bureau. Ad pages gained 4 percent, to 3,889.)
Source: Mike Shields. Mediaweek. New York: Mar 31, 2008. Vol. 18, Iss. 13; pg. SR28
I wish I could just ask Mark if the pin-stripe had anything to do with media. There was a lot of bleeding ink as I recall.
May 14th, 2009 at 5:20 pm
“small hands Says:
May 14th, 2009 at 1:58 pm
AM I noticed you post something about Alli Sims, so I was wondering what everybody’s thoughts were about her. I know many put her in the same league as Sam, but I never did. She just might have been duped into believing he was a nice guy right along with Britney.”
Small hands
I remember the night when Britney was taken to hospital, how Alli Simms laughing big in her car, having Sam Lutfi beside her. They was going to to the hospital.
In an other car, on the way to the hospital, was Britneys mother Lynne, Adnan , and someone more. They was NOT laughing.
Alli Simms is not to trust. As Sam Lutfi or his gang. Claus Hjelmback, friend of Alli S, and this strange Chad (forget his last name), who had an own bedroom together with Sam Lutfi in Britneys house. Close friends and probably very shady the whole gang.
May 14th, 2009 at 5:43 pm
Hi guys.
I think there’s truth to what Alli says.
Try to contact Britney and Jamie will put the
attorney’s on her butt. Sounds true to me.
Alli was considered a bad influence. An enabler.
There’s the Lutfi connection and well…need I
say more.
Jamie seems to prefer her to only socialize with
her kids or the staff. He wants her to be needy.
Like he wants her to need them. Or to need HIM.
Maybe because of her talent and fame at such a
young age he didn’t feel needed by her. He’s was
boozing and even Lynne would shut down and focus
on raising the kids and not want to deal with him.
Britney made more money than he did when she was
still a child. That must have hurt his pride.
Is this her dad’s way of compensating for all
those years that she got by without him?
Most fans think everything is dandy. They say,
“If she were imprisoned by her dad wouldn’t she
say something to her fans during her concert?”
They don’t seem to see the level of control and
fear he has put on her.
Britney has basically no connection to the outside
world. Maybe that’s where her love of driving
stems from. It’s how she escapes or relaxes and
feels part of the world with actual people
around her. Normalcy.
I’m playing psychologist a little.
But I may have a point.
Just wanted to address the isolation topic.
Alli mentioned it in one of her quotes or
something. I’m through analyzing.
May 14th, 2009 at 5:44 pm
“Britney’s Jury of Her Peers — Ding Dang
Posted May 14th 2009 5:03PM by TMZ Staff”
http://www.tmz.com/
Jon Eardley wants a jury
May 14th, 2009 at 5:52 pm
Thank you for the link Amapola.
The documents are at Radar.
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/05/eardley-appealing-britney-restraining-order
May 14th, 2009 at 5:55 pm
Thanks for the link, Ama.
I hope he gets his trial by jury. It is another opportunity for evidence to come out.
It is perhaps another opportunity for the audio tapes to be heard and perhaps property considered by an expert witness, not Blair Berk, an attorney who is not an expert on audio analysis and voice recognition.
May 14th, 2009 at 6:16 pm
Thanks, Fantasy. Better grab and save the documents while they are still online. lol
May 14th, 2009 at 7:45 pm
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/05/jamie-spears-responds-sam-lutfis-lawsuit
May 14th, 2009 at 7:48 pm
Click on Home, the story, then view the docs.
May 14th, 2009 at 7:51 pm
So much for a room that have never been smoked in. So much for stopping a concert in Vancouver due to smoking.
May 14th, 2009 at 7:51 pm
And so much for that oxygen chamber.
May 14th, 2009 at 7:57 pm
Thx, Fantasy. I wonder of the parts of the complaint against Britney. Were those rescinded in the amended complaint? If you happen to know.. the document is around here somewhere.
May 14th, 2009 at 7:58 pm
Fantasy. X has the actual smoking tape. BH just has two cars taking a right.
May 14th, 2009 at 8:01 pm
Yeah, I saw that too.
May 14th, 2009 at 8:08 pm
Oh. They’re “cousins”. In Lynne’s book she
refered to ‘Allie’ as Britney’s then assistant.
She met Sam at a club and introduced him to
Britney.
May 14th, 2009 at 9:26 pm
I think they are only cousins by marriage. It’s a remote relationship. I don’t think they share DNA.
May 14th, 2009 at 9:27 pm
So Fantasy, smoke and mirrors then the Vancouver concert?
May 14th, 2009 at 9:29 pm
What I mean is that between shout-outs and stopping the showed she said, ‘look dad, see what I can do?’
May 14th, 2009 at 9:48 pm
I see what you mean. I saw youtube video of
the moment leading up to her stopping the show.
She did look visibly upset about something.
Do you find it strange that bs.com didn’t
acknowledge Britney on Mother’s Day? I saw photos
of her being driven around by Jason Trawick the
Saturday before. But Sunday no tweet about her
being with the boys.
I don’t mean that Adam has to always let the
public know when she’s with the kids and what
they’re doing. But I just found it odd that there
was no mention of it.
May 14th, 2009 at 10:05 pm
I really hope this link works.
This is from when she stopped the concert.
Watch at the 2:45 and 3:05 mark.
She kinda just stands there. She looks pissed off.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbbwEfks8Ao&feature=related
May 15th, 2009 at 12:00 am
Commentary only, Fantasy.
It’s like a person waking up. This such is bullshit, I’m not getting any pleasure from this, this is bullshit.
Whatever it was she was getting, it wasn’t there.
(kids? Britney follow the cheese)
Fantasy? I am disheartened by some of my research efforts. More to come on that, I promise, but not soon as defined by news tomorrow.
I didn’t notice bs.com not saying anything about Mother’s day. Odd that lack of saying anything.
Meanwhile, K-Fed is in Vancouver with the kids and Victoria? She is company. There’s no love or chemistry between them. JMO. Do both people look relaxed? Or paid. Escort.
Kaplan has not hidden his strategy to make K-Fed look a good father. I would be very interested in anyone’s opinion on any of this.
May 15th, 2009 at 12:03 am
btb, on one of the videos available on youtube of her concerts, the videographer or his friend says, “Total f–k fest.”
Do you think that is true? Is it a different ownership or interest than in the past?
Lynne like Jamie lets it go on.
May 15th, 2009 at 12:05 am
Steel mentions clear cut signals. Really, Steel? Hands on hips, pre-discussed cut signals?
May 15th, 2009 at 2:20 am
Amethyst Mine Says:
May 14th, 2009 at 2:19 pm
Small, I didn’t realize Alli has been so active. Ryan Seacrest promoted her?
I don’t know what to think of her other than she was apparently doing what she was told by someone and well into the spirit of that systematic destruction of Adnan’s image.
Remember that Splash caught her saying that she only had to say the one thing to US Weekly?
Meanwhile, yoyobrit is hollering at Sam on Twitter? LMAO
thx for the link, MH.
————
LOL at yoyobrit. I saw her twittering with Sam. LMAO
Yes I remember not being too nice to Adnan.
She did an interview with Extra and she explained how she is related to Britney. Her mother and Jamie Spears are first cousins.
May 15th, 2009 at 3:41 am
“Amethyst Mine Says:
May 14th, 2009 at 7:51 pm
And so much for that oxygen chamber.”
One can use the oxygen chamber for many perpose.
One of them is to get more energy and thats in a not harmful way.
She is traveling a lot, the show need HER and its fine if she can stay out of some minor sickness, as a common flu.
Dry air in the airplanes, airconditons on the hotelrooms, all smoke souroounding the stage.
(Now is not the right time to stop smoking! Its like people want her to do everything themselves would not been able to do.
But of course, what should the gossip workers lives on if not find thing to moralising about, and what would people do if they dont can hang there s**t on Britney?)
There is not a demand to NOT smoke if one want to sometimes using oxygen.
There are so many amateurish comments. Whish people try to think professional.
The Circus tour is a professional happening and not any private feel good event for Britney.
May 15th, 2009 at 11:41 am
Ama, you believe she acquired an oxygen chamber?
Who you calling amateurish? lol just kidding
small, yes I thought that was funny until I thought about doing it too. Why not ask him what he meant that she had zero custody? March 2007? Why not ask him why some people fixate on the month of October when we know they were hanging out by spring?
May 15th, 2009 at 1:08 pm
The 1st time I’d heard of Sam was late 2007 when
he and Britney were on the cover of, I think,
Star magazine with the story being that they
were going to elope in Las Vegas. lol
I think that story ran after Britney’s 26th b-day
party.
Sam needs to let go. Like yesterday.
He’s still trying to be in the mix
because he still wants
access or control of Britney and her life.
Gosh, don’t we say the same about Jamie.
Ain’t it funny?
So, Amethyst, do you have more info on the TRO
from RM and Edan or whoever. You said you’d give
an update by weeks end.
P.S.-Who are the doe’s?
May 15th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
Hi, Fantasy. I am waiting on the mailman as to RM and Edan.
Doe’s? I posted somewhere on here when the hearing for that will be. Otherwise, I don’t know.
Does anything sound like a good idea?
note to self – it would be good to hear Ronnie chime in. Fantasy, you never really got a chance to know him. I can just hear him say, AM I have no idea what you are talking about but sounds like a good idea.
May 15th, 2009 at 2:47 pm
Hey everyone. I also noticed that yoyo was talking to sam. lol I also found yoyo myspace page. Guess she got tired of being thrown against the wall here.
May 15th, 2009 at 3:09 pm
Gigi. I was going to call to see how you are.
LOL at comments 2:47 p.m.
So good to see you!
May 15th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
Hey, Mark. Just out of curiosity, who did you vote for in the last election for City Attorney?
It was an interesting ballot with interesting endorsements.
Oh it could just be life in L.A. and those types of professionals and their contact or visibility in dealing with celebs.
I do like to try to keep a positive state of mind (note, since taking on journalism I am more relaxed and less serious all the time)and give others the benefit of the doubt but.. where there is smoke maybe there is also fire.
May 15th, 2009 at 4:20 pm
Fantasy. The mail gets here at 3 p.m. PST I am more hopeful for tomorrow than today but I’ll bare the triple degree weather and have a look.
Actually this is spring compared to the triple digits coming this summer.
May 15th, 2009 at 4:58 pm
Am I’m always in the background here. I just dont take the time to post most days. We are super busy trying to save houses, cars, etc. Cases are through the roof. Boss put her foot down and said no computer play time lol but you know me I just can’t stay away. lol Have a great weekend!!
May 15th, 2009 at 5:05 pm
Glad to hear it, Gigi. You have a great weekend too.
—-
Some light reading about the election for anyone interested.
http://articles.latimes.com/2009/mar/05/local/me-weiss5
May 15th, 2009 at 5:45 pm
>>> I can just hear him say, AM I have no idea what you are talking about but sounds like a good idea.
LOL!!
May 15th, 2009 at 6:00 pm
“Amethyst Mine Says:
May 15th, 2009 at 11:41 am
Ama, you believe she acquired an oxygen chamber?
Who you calling amateurish? lol just kidding”
No, AM, not a chamber..lol. But I do wish that she can get some oxygen if she need it, because it makes one “fresh as new”.
May 15th, 2009 at 6:23 pm
LOL MH.
Ama, I admit that when I think of an oxygen chamber I picture a hyperbaric oxygen tank. I do not think it is a pleasant experience if one is without medication. The tanks are used to heal wounds.
Have you ever seen a patient in one?
I could see getting a tube or tank of oxygen and an inhaler for occasional use, but I don’t think that’s what the tabloids described?
May 15th, 2009 at 6:24 pm
No news today in the mail.
May 15th, 2009 at 7:56 pm
A little more light reading:
http://laist.com/2007/06/20/paris_hilton_lo.php
May 15th, 2009 at 9:28 pm
Vanity Fair, Jessica Simpson. Joe Simpson is her dad.
“In the wedding video (the ceremony was photographed and filmed by InStyle), Joe Simpson looks pained. This was not the plan. First, there was the matter of control. As it says in the Bible in re marriage and parents: leave and cleave. Then there was Jessica as a pop commodity, with no small value as an object of sexual fantasy,