Adnan Faces Trial
Adnan Ghalib, former paparazzi and ex-boyfriend of Britney Spears, arrived at a Van Nuys court house today for a hearing. A July date was set for his trial on three felonies, resulting from an incident in which Ghalib allegedly hit a process server with his car.
I’ll update this post with more details as they come in.
UPDATE: At least I would, if there were any. The gossip blogs and tabloids seem to be ignoring this story, which seems odd since a man’s freedom is at stake.
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June 4th, 2009 at 4:57 pm
Thanks, R.
June 4th, 2009 at 5:00 pm
Sorry, Linda. Thank you for the update. He looks good don’t you think? Standing tall.
June 4th, 2009 at 5:37 pm
Thanks Linda. Yes AM he does look good and always has. Stand tall Adnan. We believe in you.
June 4th, 2009 at 5:46 pm
I still say that if some idiot jumps in front of or on top of my car he deserves to have his ass run over. What idiot runs out in front of or jumps on a moving car. It just goes to show what kind of shape our legal system is in.
June 4th, 2009 at 5:58 pm
Moskowitz failed to take precaution against his person and his property. He was aware of the inherent danger in what he did.
He did not conduct himself in a manner ordinarily expected.
Call him names if you want to G but there he is under the microscope of the law. Who expects anyone to behave that way?
I don’t know about commentary on the legal system G. The D.A. has likely argued they have enough evidence to proceed and likely Korn argued the same but who knows?
They seemed happy and relieved outside the courthouse like it was exactly what they wanted to have happen.
You do know Britney and Jamie Spears may come up again and again. Afterall, without her name there would never have been a hearing in the first place. I think I do mean that in more ways than one.
Fantasy is probably off at the concert. lol Any new costumes or songs yet?
I do not mean any disrespect to the solemnity of today’s events.
June 4th, 2009 at 6:17 pm
Actually, I was listening to a Shakira cd.
The concert is over anyway. I haven’t been to
BH yet. I doubt if anything has changed.
Well. Didn’t we all expect this? I wanna know
what happened in court. Amethyst, are you on it?
What date is the day the trial begins?
On average how long does a trial last?
Paging Queen B. Paging Queen B. Hello?!
Is there video of Adnan walking into the building?
He’s got to be feeling bad by now.
Like, this is really real. Not a bad dream.
I still wish him luck no matter what.
Oh, why does it say that A is B’s boyfriend?
What’s that about? You all caught that, right?
June 4th, 2009 at 6:44 pm
Fantasy. I am waiting for the “news outlets” to write anything. I hate to bother my source and it’s getting near the end of the day for her. Thanks for letting me know you do get my updates where/when others leave us in a vacuum.
I posted some older junk on the other thread but I think the junk makes a statement relevant to the vacuum of information (and misinformation) on this case, today.
I got to believe in some ways in the expressions on the faces of Peter Korn and Adnan Ghalib. Neither look worried to me. They look hopeful if anything. Can you imagine the details that might come out in such a trial especially about Jamie? Can Adnan put his nemesis to rest through exposure of the facts and who is behind this affair?
Cheer up all or is it cheer up, my people? That voice cracked me up on BH yesterday.
June 4th, 2009 at 6:56 pm
They don’t look worried because they’ve got a
plan/strategy? If so, how do they know 12 total
strangers will go along with it? I’m waiting for
more news too.
Amethyst, if there’s no news here by 4:25pm
where you are,ring up your source. I don’t
think she’ll mind. It’s not like you call her/him
everyday.
This is the only place that has any info about
this so far. I feel like that’s good. Sort of?
June 4th, 2009 at 6:58 pm
Just guessing at the gender of the source.
June 4th, 2009 at 7:15 pm
LOL Fantasy. I am so glad you are with us. I have laughed alot more here with you than I have here in months without.
4:08 here.
She can tell me whether a transcript is worth it.
By the way, court transcripts were requested in the overall TRO aka conservatorship case BP108870, conservatorship. I don’t know who requested them or why, June 2nd. I don’t know what part of the any of the hearings they requested. I don’t know if the request is in context to attorneys’ fees.
What does it mean to us? More information and for a lesser price. If you are the first to ask for an original you pay the full transcription fee. I talked to someone the other day who was nice in suggesting I wait a few months and see if someone else might pay for the originals and then I would only have to pay for copies.
It’s on.
June 4th, 2009 at 7:18 pm
Fantasy. I should say you bring out a lighter side of me. There are lots of people here who are funny. I didn’t mean to disparage anyone’s humor just I have been feeling more relaxed. I mean who else will go to a concert with me on BH? Lol. I say keep the cowboy hat!
June 4th, 2009 at 7:25 pm
I think the cowboy hat is cute. Very southern.
June 4th, 2009 at 7:34 pm
I left a message, Fantasy.
June 4th, 2009 at 7:35 pm
Very southern, very American (ok they where them in South America and I think Australia too? Very practical for the sun) ok, very Western then, whimsical, fun! Brit is all about her hats and she wear them like few others. They are part of her signature. Let her have it. I bet that other headdress is hot, heavy and uncomfortable.
June 4th, 2009 at 7:43 pm
Yeah, you’re right about the headdress.
Question.
Did Linda make a typo in calling Adnan the bf
of Britney. I guess the first part is right,
ex paparazzi. Sounds accurate.
BF? Just wondering.
June 4th, 2009 at 7:46 pm
I left out Mexico and Canada and probably other countries — I am not an expert on cowboy hats.
About BF? I don’t know. Does former as a modifier of paparazzi also modify boyfriend?
June 4th, 2009 at 7:50 pm
It could. I don’t really know.
Ask Linda. Is she still around?
Oh, Linda…..ya got a sec?
June 4th, 2009 at 8:05 pm
http://www.badmediakarma.com/2009/06/us-leg-brings-in-over-615-million/
June 4th, 2009 at 8:13 pm
from sam lutfi twitter…
Today marks the first of many more victories to come……. Hallelujah!!!!!
about 3 hours ago from web
June 4th, 2009 at 8:14 pm
I don’t think Linda would have intentionally stated that fact during these times but if she did?
o hai, Linda.
June 4th, 2009 at 8:40 pm
I have a feeling that the Lutfi tweet may be in
reference to Adnan.
3 hours ago. How long ago did Linda post this
news? About 3 hours ago more or less.
Lutfi’s somewhere celebrating I bet. A-hole.
June 4th, 2009 at 8:46 pm
Again I ask. Is there any video coming up of
Adnan going to court today?
If so are JFX photogs the only one’s snapping
his pic? Any other’s from different agencies?
Do you all think that Lutfi still has contact
with some paps? Paps who may also have been
outside the courthouse snapping Adnan’s pic.
Would those paps know that a trial date has been
set and they, maybe, spread the word from one pap
to another?
Of all the twitter’s I do think his is real.
Ugh. Lutfi. Ugh. Ick. A-hole.
June 4th, 2009 at 8:58 pm
I think Lutfi’s twitter is real. What’s odd is … is he in London? Was he? I think Alli’s tweet is real as well.
Of course Sam is in touch with X17. Navarre wouldn’t burn that trail and Sam wouldn’t burn a media source who will tell his side of the story as he tells it. Navarre was convinced.
Other paps outside the courthouse? C’mon. We all knew there was a hearing today. They’ve got more intel than us. Question: was is did something positive happen today? Was there a more interesting case in Van Nuys to cover? Did Adnan pics not sell as well as they hoped last time? Who put the kabash on Radar’s video of May 4?
Does TMZ have power/influx of cash over Radar?
June 4th, 2009 at 8:59 pm
Lutfi’s last tweet was now 4 hours ago.
Linda must have posted this news late in the
4 o’clock hour EST. Late 1 o’clock PST.
Lutfi either follows JFX or has a few pap friends
who found out somehow about the trial date/month,
and spread the word back to Lutfi.
Does that sound plausible to you all?
June 4th, 2009 at 9:00 pm
Did Jamie order that he did not want this case covered, publicized?
Or was it less satisfying to those who meant to ridicule, taunt, persecute Adnan? I mean, he didn’t show any reaction. There was no news there and presumably none in the future. How much was a quote of Adnan’s worth on the street?
They did not get one.
June 4th, 2009 at 9:15 pm
“He didn’t show any reaction.” Adnan?
I don’t think that a direct quote from Adnan is
needed. Adnan’s a smart man. He wouldn’t say a
word now no matter what. Not publicly at least.
Remember when you said something like the court
house was all abuzz over this case? Or something
to that affect. It could have been someone from
the inside leaking something to a pap,etc.
$50 bucks or so can get you far if you know what
I mean. If Lutfi’s tweet means what I think it
does, how on earth did he find out about a date
being set without someone telling him or reading
it here?
To Lutfi this means Adnan is a few steps closer
to possibly being imprisoned. Lutfi would piss
his pants out of excitement it that happens.
Are you following me, Amethyst? Anyone?
June 4th, 2009 at 9:25 pm
Since it seems so important to some of you, I wrote the sentence with the adjective “former” referring to *both* nouns, rather than repeat the word.
But now that we’ve gotten the really vital stuff out of the way, I find it much more interesting that no news outlets seem to be bothering with this story. Usually TMZ and Radar are all over celebrity court dates, but nothing on this one. There hasn’t been even one news item showing up in Google news all day. Not even the Britney sites have anything.
I would have thought the news that Adnan was actually going to trial would have been more newsworthy, but apparently not. And there’s no reason for Jamie to try to squash news coverage, even if he could, because he wants to see Adnan (and Sam) vilified. It looks more like the media has just lost interest.
I know a lot of the gossip blogs have been covering the David Carradine death heavily today, but it hasn’t been *that* busy on the celeb news front.
June 4th, 2009 at 9:53 pm
Bless your heart, Linda. Good on ye. Thank you.
June 4th, 2009 at 10:21 pm
Fantasy. Adnan is a part of the story. That’s one of the reasons he can’t photograph, because he is part of the story.
As for a quote? I wasn’t looking for a quote in terms of $$ (pap thinking and I don’t mean everybody) but a reaction like buzz off guys. That would have made news. It would have excited some. It would have been a buzz across the blogosphere.
Linda. I will reply to you tomorrow. I’ve got some ideas. J’s always been open ideas. I can’t imagine riding around with you guys, by the way but I admire the creativity and willingness to try new things.
June 4th, 2009 at 10:24 pm
Fantasy. As far as I know, moles from both sides read here, hence a sensitivity now and then and all that encryption.
I wish one of the videos MT posted hadn’t of vanished. It said everything. City of Angels.
June 4th, 2009 at 10:26 pm
Correction: Linda. I will reply to you tomorrow. I’ve got some ideas. J’s always been open to ideas. I can’t imagine riding around with you guys, by the way, but I admire the creativity and willingness to try new things.
(what is it about Courier that I make so many typos?)
June 4th, 2009 at 10:35 pm
Frank Baker. Someone to talk to.
Fantasy. It was Bootcamp by Soundgarten that Mark once posted. Said alot.
June 4th, 2009 at 10:39 pm
It was mixed with City of Angels but it was pulled from youtube within weeks. Coincidence. Yep ok.
June 4th, 2009 at 10:49 pm
Who’s Frank? Sorry. But I don’t know.
I didn’t understand the MT vids. Only a couple
of them kinda made sense to me.
I kinda miss the vids now. My loss.
I’ve heard you bring up the COA video.
Why does that one stand out so much even now?
June 4th, 2009 at 10:58 pm
Are you talking about “Iris” by the Goo Goo Dolls?
Wasn’t that song on the COA sdtk?
I’m fishing here. I so don’t know what you mean.
June 4th, 2009 at 11:02 pm
MT. It took me so lonnnng to get it. I am so sorry. Not the city of angels but lily pads. I got part of it. I thought I understood but I thinking about it tonight doing the dishes. Yeh, I do those.
I’m so sorry. Do I really have it? No but it’s one that makes the most sense. I’m sorry. Surely my apologies tell you I get it. I was listening. I guess I didn’t have the depth. I’m sorry.
June 4th, 2009 at 11:11 pm
I’m not surprised Adnan’s future trial has not gotten any media attention. The mainstream media does not and never did care about Adnan. They were only interested in him because of his association with Brit and since Jamie has effectively ended their relationship via the PRO, interest in him has evidently waned. I wish Adnan the best. Only a truly evil person would intentionally run down an innocent man.
If Adnan seems confident it is because he and his attorney know that there is a good chance that he will either be outright acquitted or there will be a hung jury which will equal a mistrial.
It seems to me that Adnan has only two defenses: 1) he hit Ram but it was not intentional
2) he hit Ram intentionally but it was in self defense.
June 4th, 2009 at 11:13 pm
Fantasy. You ever see COA?
mw, google Frank and Britney Spears. Look at what Linda said. I am wondering if Frank’s views have changed. Also the LA Times. I did mention that in 2007/2008 that certain news publications decided to up their sales by developing entertainment news bureaus?
But then Britney disappeared. Sort of. How does a legitimate newspaper capitalize on … fiction? Rumors? Where is the money and individual careers?
Ignore me at 11:02. Okay, alright,
ignore me in general.
June 4th, 2009 at 11:14 pm
Fantasy. No Goo Goo in this regard. Bootcamp by Soundgarten.
June 4th, 2009 at 11:22 pm
QB, if you’re still there. Tell me what’s next.
Witness list, jury selection. How do you see
things playing out from your point of view?
I googled bootcamp already. Going to google more.
June 4th, 2009 at 11:39 pm
It seems to me that both sides would exchange a list of witnesses and then jury selection would then commence.
If Adnan had the funds, it would be great if he could hire a jury consultant. A jury consultant is someone who assists the defense in selecting those jurors who are most favorable to their side.
I think that the ideal juror for Adnan would be someone who is young and internet savy-someone who understands the press and does not believe everything they read. I would try to weed out people who hate or harbor negative feelings against the paparazzi and those who do not like Brit because Adnan and Brit had a relationship.
I think everyone on this board should have reason to feel hopeful. I know the prosecution thinks they have an open and shut case but there maybe information that has not been publically disclosed.
I wonder if Adnan will testify in his defense.
June 4th, 2009 at 11:53 pm
Would it be risky for Korn to have Adnan take the
stand and testify? I guess there’s always a risk.
If not a jury consultant how are jurors weeded out
that wouldn’t be favorable to the defense?
QB, how long could this trial last?
Things are happening quickly. 1-2 months? More?
Do you think there’ll be a little more media
interest once the trial actually begins?
It could be like what we see w/ Britney and the
c-ship. No one is showing interest.
Maybe that will change?
June 5th, 2009 at 12:21 am
I agree with you Fantasy that it is always risky having your client take the stand but if Adnan is prepared properly, it may work in his favor.
I think it is important for the jurors to know what was going in his head at the time of the incident. He needs to tell the jurors about the stabbing incident which scared him and naturally put him on edge. He needs to let them know he saw a strange man hanging out in the alley behind the apartment; he got into his car this man stepped in front and he was naturally in fear for his life and thus his actions were totally reasonable.
Most defendants do not hire a jury consultant and instead ask potential jurors to fill out a lengthy questionaire designed to detect any biases for and against the defense. For example, the defense may ask if any of the juror’s relatives have ever been the victim of a violent crime because that fact would seem to bias that person in favor of the prosecution.
Once the trial begins, I can see the media taking a great interest in this case but because Brit is not in LA, the media attention will not be as great as it would be if she were in town.
June 5th, 2009 at 1:52 am
QB. I disagree on your conclusions on the media. I’ll put a note under my desk. I’ll take the quiz without it, thank you.
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Fantasy. Gosh. What do you hope to find beyond music and lyrics?
June 5th, 2009 at 2:04 am
I am rooting for you Adnan. I believe you are a nice guy.
June 5th, 2009 at 2:06 am
Me too, Adnan!
June 5th, 2009 at 2:10 am
Adnan, I think you are more than that.
Back to the salt mines.
June 5th, 2009 at 11:32 am
http://www.newsnidea.com/3893/britney-spears-former-boyfriend-adnan-ghalib/
what’s with this “article”? what’s the point of it? why is it even an “article”? nothing new in it that hasn’t been out there for a long time. what’s the point…am I missing something?
June 5th, 2009 at 12:16 pm
MH has replied about a Link:
[http://www.newsnidea.com/3893/britney-spears-former-boyfriend-adnan-ghalib/]
he/she didn’t read that article carefully. he/she didn’t read it carefully and tried to find the topic about britney spears. But this article is a review about “Adnan Ghalib” who is the formar boyfriend of Britney Spears.
and it describes that what was happend on that moment. “Adnan Ghalib” is become popular by Britney Spears. i hope you can understand. Thank you.
June 5th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
i will be so greatful to MH if he/she tell me how he/she found it.
June 5th, 2009 at 12:45 pm
QB. I apologize for my sarcasm last night. It’s no excuse (as in I should know better) but there was tension in the house without resolve.
Sometimes I read an undertone to your writing that is unsettling. It doesn’t seem team oriented like saying Britney has a mental illness, or you agree Britney spends too much on pet care, or yesterday a suggestion that it was over between A and B and that Adnan has become irrelevant.
It isn’t that anyone wants alot of publicity but the lack of publication by those who have been consistently bloodthirsty in the past is strange. I don’t think Britney being in LA or away has anything to do with it.
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MH. It reads like wikipedia but seems consistent with how they provide coverage on other celebrities. I guess News Idea thinks he is a celebrity or person that others want to know about. ?
June 5th, 2009 at 1:23 pm
AM-
Let me address two things that you said. First, my suggestion that things are over between Adnan and Brit is based on nothing more than the restraining order. Even if they still wanted to be together, Jamie will not allow that to happen.
Second, I stand by my comment that I do not think the media has a strong interest in Adnan without the connection to Brit. I am sure websites like X-17/TMZ/Radar will continue to cover Adnan’s trial but the mainstream media will likely not unless they can play up the Brit connection.
To Adnan’s friends and families, he will never be irrelevant but I really do not see People sending a reporter to cover Adnan’s trial.
I just want to say that I am not on anyone’s team. I’m not on Team Britney or Team Jamie or Team Adnan. I judge each situation on a case by case basis. I sincerely hope that everything works out for Adnan and I also hope that by 2010, the conservatorship is over.
June 5th, 2009 at 1:56 pm
QB, I agree that the mainstream media won’t show
Anyway….
any interest in Adnan or his trial. I don’t
expect to see the trial covered on Tru TV
(formerly Court TV). No books will be written
about him and no made for tv movies based on his
life will be filmed. Sadly.
Truthfully, I wouldn’t be interested in him at all
if he and Britney hadn’t have dated. Also, I
personally find him to be an attractive man which
is another reason that I have interest in him.
I’m just gonna be real about it. There. I said it.
I know many may feel the opposite but I just
happen to be apart of a certain percentage of
women think that he’s good looking. Don’t get me
started on his accent. Oh, how I love it! Aaah…
Okay. Enough of that. QB, there’s no reason why
you have to be on any team here or anywhere else.
I think that you once said that your interest in
Britney stems from her legal troubles or the
conservatorship. You don’t have to be a Britney
fan like I am. It isn’t required to post here.
I just appreciate you sharing your legal
knowledge with us and just being a cool chick in
general. We all are pretty bitchin’ in our own
way. No? Heck yeah! BBL.
June 5th, 2009 at 2:24 pm
Thank you, QB. I understand now. You haven’t ante’d in while I meanwhile wear my heart on my sleeve.
I appreciate your clarifying your position: it resolves things.
I cannot clarify a bad mood, as easily, or excuse showing my cards in a moment of frustration. Cards here just means that I try to keep emotions off the board but it doesn’t always happen.
About Adnan, Britney and a trial: there would be no trial if it wasn’t for Britney. The connection remains.
As for People, they don’t have a courthouse beat reporter that I know and they don’t have a client list like the LA Times, City News, Reuters and the AP. They also don’t have the same or number of clients as the wire services.
June 5th, 2009 at 2:40 pm
Unless the court/attorney etc plays the celebrity by association factor I dont see this getting much attention at all. No one would even know who is is without the Brit factor. I can’t see most media following this at all. I do see some sites following it just to rub it in someone’s face whether that turns out to be his fans or the people against him. I am 100% Team Adnan. I have been since all this started. Even before people knew his name I noticed him pumping Brits gas or running in for her coffee or going into the store for her. She took notice just like I did only I was wondering who that fine looking man was and she already knew who he was.
June 5th, 2009 at 2:45 pm
Has anyone been following Peter Falk’s story? The AP reports that he was placed under a conservatorship by Judge Bobb, that would allow his step-daughter to visitation, off-site.
I wonder who the conservator is and what all they control? The wife will continue managing his healthcare and private affairs.
I feel bad that the AP is reporting that he doesn’t remember his role as Columbo. I’ve been thinking alot about that role of late. Columbo was unassuming, respectful and without confrontation in asking questions. I like his style.
Anyway Avila Bobb made the decision and it made me want to ask the question that Fantasy has been asking about why Bobb presides over some things in Britney’s c-ship and Goetz another.
June 5th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
I think I may have sounded a bit shallow.
It isn’t just the Brit-factor or an attraction
that’s captured my attention. It’s only part of
the reason. I saw the interviews Adnan did for
20/20 and ET and the Kathy Griffin guest part and
he always came across as pleasant and very smart.
I think he cared a lot for Britney. I would have
like to have seen their relationship flourish
more but that didn’t happen. What’s happening with
him now is a very sad thing. How can I not support
someone who has been treated unfairly by the
media and has been targeted for posing a threat
to a certain someone. I’m not back tracking as
much as I’m trying to clarify what I meant.
Hopefully I’ve made my earlier remark a bit
clearer. Not snotty and more respectful.
Any courtroom updates yet? Amethyst, did your
source return your phone call? Let me know when
you can.
June 5th, 2009 at 3:20 pm
AM-
I just read the Peter Falk story and it is quite sad but I’m glad that the wife and not the daughter was put in charge. For some reason, I did not trust the daughter’s motives. Falk’s wife of 30 years and the daughter do not get along. All the daughter gets is one 30 minute visit per month.
I think the reason why Bobb is handling the restraining order case and Goetz is handling the conservatorship is because they are two separate issues even though the cases do overlap. Commissioner Gordon was still in charge of Brit’s custody case even after she was placed under a conservatorship.
June 5th, 2009 at 3:21 pm
Fantasy. I will let you know if I hear anything. Meanwhile, I happened to come across this transcript and thought I would set the record straight on something we have talked about.
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CHRIS CONNELLY (ABC NEWS)
(Voiceover) To those unfamiliar with the Netherworld of caught-on-video celebrity misadventure, this brief clip of Britney Spears
from last month might not seem like all that much. For the man who shot it, though, it was all in a hard day’s work and it was a gold mine.
ADNAN GHALIB (VIDEOGRAPHER)
We’d been out driving for about six hours, and, and I just stuck with her the whole time. She had paid for some cigarettes, went back in, picked up a lighter, and said, ‘I stole a lighter,” and just went out. And I was like, ‘I couldn’t believe it.” I could have given you a lighter if you wanted a lighter, dear.
CHRIS CONNELLY (ABC NEWS)
(Voiceover) How much was that shot worth?
ADNAN GHALIB (VIDEOGRAPHER)
If I was doing video, ballpark, that 40-second clip could run about 40,000.
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He wasn’t doing video and it never says what or if he sold anything from that day. Presumably he did because that was his job back then. Anyhoo, no $200K profit off that one. I think you may have been thinking of gross earnings per year?
It doesn’t matter. I just happened to come across the transcript and thought I would post the facts — plus I didn’t have to transcribe or type any of it. Woo hoo!
June 5th, 2009 at 4:17 pm
Just be be clear… there was more to the video/interview than what AM just posted.
June 5th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
Thanks, QB. It was unclear who actually got the c-ship in Falk’s case.
I don’t trust the daughter either.
I thought the wife wanted to avoid the stigma of conservatorship. I thought she had succeeded so I was surprised to come across the news today.
June 5th, 2009 at 4:37 pm
Linda, et al. If interested. AP coverage:
May 29 – Spears sued for running over photog’s foot
Apr 30 – Britney Spears’ ‘Circus’ tour will travel to Europe
Apr 29 – ” ”
Restraining order issued in Spears’case (includes ‘Ghalib never appeared in court or contested the restraining order, but is due back in a criminal court next month on felony charges that he tried to run down a man attempting to deliver papers notifying him of the restraining order case.
The server, Ram Moskowitz, sued Ghalib in civil court for assault, battery, intentional infliction of emotional distress.’)
Apr 17 – Camo-wearing woman arrested at Spears home
Apr 9 – Spears’ Vancouver concert halted for 30 minutes
Apr 9 – Tacoma Dome ready for Britney Spears
Apr 7 – Britney Spears tour may head to Australia
Britney Spears’ ex-boyfriend heads to jury trial for felony charges
Defense says Jamie Spears behind case
or sensationalized
Britney Spears contacts ex-boyfriend, Jamie doesn’t like it
Restraining order leads to felony charges
(According to Peter J. Korn, criminal defense attorney,….)
Seems to fit in between news wire and tabloid any way you shake it.
If I missed anything please let me know.
June 5th, 2009 at 4:40 pm
Maybe I remember wrong, but was it not an video where Sam Lutfi said, when all this happend,
- “Its my “store” (I think it was some kind of gasoling/store), she have not steel anything”.
June 5th, 2009 at 4:40 pm
correction:
gasoline
June 5th, 2009 at 5:05 pm
Ama. I wasn’t trying to emphasize or revisit whether Britney stole anything.
I was trying to clarify some misinformation that had been posted about Adnan and a “videotape” that brought in $200K. It never happened.
June 5th, 2009 at 5:09 pm
Am I think your right. Thats one reason it wasn’t a big deal to her I think and if I remember right Adnan went back and paid for the lighter so it wouldn’t come back and bite her at some point.
June 5th, 2009 at 5:14 pm
A question on “One Reply to “New Book On Britney Reveals Pain”
June 5th, 2009 at 5:18 pm
I think WENN is tabloid media right? They only do entertainment? I don’t know if I would call them a mass media real news outlet ..
Anyway, none of the mass media carried the Jamie Spears tries to shut down major fan site.
The Las Vegas Review carried it.
Back in the end of March I was surprised to talk to my brother briefly about Spears. He said Britney wanted the site shut down. I was amazed he knew anything really about Britney but I was more stunned by the news he had received and believed.
Maybe not stunned but you know, unsettled and leaving me questioning.
June 5th, 2009 at 5:24 pm
G. I think you’re right that someone went back and paid but the bottom line was the store owner was happy to give it to her. He didn’t care. He was happy to have her in his store and do something for her.
Something like that. Does it matter? Everybody made money and no on holds the lighter over her head. It was characteristically unpredictable which is something the paps loved about her.
She gave them something.
June 5th, 2009 at 5:28 pm
Again
Amapola Says:
June 5th, 2009 at 5:14 pm
A
question
on
“One Reply to “New Book On Britney Reveals Pain”
June 5th, 2009 at 5:29 pm
http://w2ww.tmz.com/2007/12/09/store-owner-to-brit-you-can-steal-from-me-anytime/3
Are we done with this? To him it was just good business. She’ll remember him. She’ll come back, get gas. If he didn’t care or thought it was all good, why do some of us focus on guilt or innocence. It was between those two.
Honestly. I just wanted to clear up a fallacy re Adnan and his name. And her’s too.
June 5th, 2009 at 5:45 pm
Hey, you guys. Amapola has a question/comment
that she’d like you all to read and respond to.
It’s on the “New Book On Britney Reveals Pain”
thread. I think she’s been trying to call some
attention to it.
June 5th, 2009 at 6:00 pm
Ya’ think Fantasy?
June 5th, 2009 at 6:01 pm
Yes Fantasy and Ama I see the question but I know nothing about the book other than it is suppose to be coming out.
On the other lighter issue I was just pointing out that even before they were together he showed that he wanted to take care of her etc. He didn’t have to do what he did but that just seems to be the kind of man he is.
June 5th, 2009 at 6:02 pm
Here’s what I took from Amapola’s post from a
different thread.
Question 1.
How can Britney use being under a c-ship to her
advantage?
Question 2.
If she(Britney) feels that she’s being robbed of
her assets and that there are business dealings
happening that won’t really benefit her in the
long term, what can she (Britney) do about it?
Amapola, is that what you are asking?
Those are good questions. Maybe QB can give you
a response soon. Or anyone else who chooses to
answer the questions.
June 5th, 2009 at 6:08 pm
Oh. I didn’t think that you all noticed. lol
June 5th, 2009 at 6:28 pm
Maybe a deity has the answer.
June 5th, 2009 at 6:34 pm
Fantasy..Yes, but the key world here is that she is “free” as an juridic person right now.
They are not.
IF there is no way to stop “them”, why do give in?
Why not make them loose too?
No time to sob, I mean.
The same future for all. Its faire.
Is she loosing, they all shall loose, if a transparance breifing can proof shady maneuvers.
All if she belive she is “robbed”.
If she find everything just fine..Well then she get it as they want it.
She have the kids to care fore, she have no time to sob.
I´m aware she can’t get a lawyers, but in cases like this.., I thought some part of the government was the ones who put the looking glase on.
All this IF they, of course by using the law, steel money from her.
June 5th, 2009 at 6:35 pm
>>>Anyway, none of the mass media carried the Jamie Spears tries to shut down major fan site.
AM, it was all over the TV.
June 5th, 2009 at 6:36 pm
Ama, she has a court appointed lawyer for things like that…if she chooses to use him.
June 5th, 2009 at 6:41 pm
She has made a deal with the devil and is living it out.
Either she’s not bright enough to know that she didn’t have to make the deal in the first place or….who knows.
June 5th, 2009 at 6:43 pm
The more important thing, in my opinion, is Adnan facing time.
June 5th, 2009 at 6:45 pm
It was just a subsidiary for x-site and Sam Lutfi anyway.
And by the way, is not JM still going on the same?
June 5th, 2009 at 6:46 pm
MH
I talking about something more than a lawyer…
June 5th, 2009 at 6:48 pm
what more could there be?
June 5th, 2009 at 6:50 pm
MH
You certainly introduced yourself now.
You want Adnan doing time..
June 5th, 2009 at 6:52 pm
MH
You know.
Very LEGAL
June 5th, 2009 at 6:53 pm
correction:
“Amapola Says:
June 5th, 2009 at 6:46 pm
MH
I talking about something more than a lawyer…
MH Says:
June 5th, 2009 at 6:48 pm
what more could there be?”
””””””””””””””
Amapola Says:
June 5th, 2009 at 6:52 pm
MH
You know.
Very LEGAL
June 5th, 2009 at 7:15 pm
Amapola, are you alluding to the IRS?
June 5th, 2009 at 7:18 pm
Amapola, no one here wants Adnan to do time.
Why’d you even say that?
June 5th, 2009 at 7:20 pm
LOL Really?
I want him doing time… That’s what you got from that. LOL
I’ll clear this up for you this once.
In my opinion… the fact that Adnan is facing time is more important than anything Britney Spears has going on.
Plain English…The last thing that I want to see happen is Adnan going to jail for even a day.
June 5th, 2009 at 7:50 pm
MH. You’re right that it was on E! but how many people of influence saw that? Or how many people who could take action saw that? E! is not mainstream for alot of people and E! lacks credibility, to me anyway.
It’s not enough.
Ama. You should know where we all stand now. As Fantasy said, none of us want Adnan to do time. Why would you even say that?
June 5th, 2009 at 7:50 pm
Amapola asked if there was any Brit could use being under a conservatorship to her advantage. The only advantage that I see goes to the capacity issue.
Because Brit is under a conservatorship and has been deemed by Goetz not to have capacity, people like Wright and Lufti can take her deposition or force her to testify in court. Strategically this could be a good thing because if the other side does not have Brit’s testimony to use at trial it may mean that they do not have the evidence necessary to win their case in court.
Many people find taking depositions and going to court stressful but because of the conservatorship Brit does not have to worry about that.
We all know that ultimate responsibility for conserving Brit’s estate rests with Goetz. If the conservators are mismanging Brit’s money she would have to step in and do something.
June 5th, 2009 at 8:02 pm
AM, I didn’t say anything about E. I said it was all over the TV.
It was covered by the major networks (news). And the usual entertainment gossip shows.
June 5th, 2009 at 8:03 pm
later girls…have a good night.
June 5th, 2009 at 8:04 pm
So many of you here, and knowone of you understand that I did not understand what MH whas sayin
“MH Says:
June 5th, 2009 at 6:43 pm
The more important thing, in my opinion, is Adnan facing time”
I saw it like “doing” time..
I´m, sorry for that MH
But please, AM and Fantasy, mayby some more.
When you see that I so obvious have missunderstanding a word, cant you tell me so?.
Its your language, you can tell me, instead of let it go to far.
June 5th, 2009 at 8:10 pm
“Fantasy Says:
June 5th, 2009 at 7:15 pm”
Some people let other walking right over them, some don’t.
If I´m going under, they are going too.
It was a personal reflection.
And also mayby the only way to show “the world” who the real bad ones are..
June 5th, 2009 at 8:28 pm
Amapola, it’s all right. I misinterpret what
people say sometimes too and I’m fluent in
English. It happens. Don’t let it worry you.
June 5th, 2009 at 8:37 pm
http://community.livejournal.com/ohnotheydidnt/2009/06/06/
Britney MORE UK
Inisde one can read that she know how much Kevin care for the kids, and how HE knows how much she care..or something similar to that.
I dont know what kind of gossip paper that are, or if she have given an intervju..
You have to read your self (inside, among the comments one can read the paper).
Wonderful IF she feeling ALL good. That she is happy for being with the kids, is no suprice for anybody.
How and what Kevin feels is uninteresting..
June 5th, 2009 at 8:40 pm
Thank you Fantasy..
Hope you saw my answer on your question
June 5th, 2009 at 9:04 pm
When Britney did a photoshoot and interview with
Glamour and Rolling Stone last year every outlet
covered it. Fansites, official and unofficial.
I’m all for Britney turning over a new leaf and
starting over and feeling good about her life.
But that interview just sounds so fake. I doubt
that she was actually interviewed face to face.
And the photos they used are not new.
Yes, Amapola. I saw it.
They watch us all.
But nothing seems to be sticking out yet for them
to jump on top of. Maybe there isn’t any wrong
doing. If there ever is, believe me they’ll be
all over it. Trust me.
June 5th, 2009 at 9:13 pm
MH. I did not know it was all over the TV. Sorry.
QB. Since no one really reported on Lutfi and his request (did he formalize it through his attorney? I remember Eardley but not Lutfi) for Britney to testify, how do we know that “doesn’t have capacity to hire a lawyer” isn’t what was used?
There is a difference between competence and capacity. Surely Britney exhibits competence.
If capacity were the issue in the Wright case why ask for a protective order while suddenly making the c-ship permanent? Do you smell anything there?
Also. I think Ama was asking if there was a government agency who would look into the case. Ama. Please try to be clear. Is this what you asking?
I might start looking for a deity myself.
Anyway, after 15 months together, I am more inclined to believe you acted impulsively rather than misunderstood English.
You might have clarified with MH, her position. I mean it would be weird for MH to say anything mean about Adnan or to wish him ill.
Is it not so?
June 5th, 2009 at 9:23 pm
“Anyway, after 15 months together, I am more inclined to believe you acted impulsively rather than misunderstood English. ”
No AM, i read what MH write WRONG, and I react strong becuase i felt like I have been fooled for a long time.
June 5th, 2009 at 9:36 pm
I’m probably speaking to the choir but Adnan’s situation is more grave and imminent than Britney’s.
So much time spent here questioning and so on, so much support, but what can any of us really do?
We can do something as individuals. Ama. You know so much more than the average European on this case. You know the media there as well. What stops you from picking up a phone, sending an email, within Europe in your own language?
Steel picked up the phone one day in Canada. I have here in the States, mainly to nix rumors and or learn the truth. MT gave us whatever he could, so too for JFX. Even Adnan tried to tell us his story, from what he could.
I think it time to stop being taken care of or wishing someone else would carry the story or the media to be fair and so on.
East Indians have it well: so many deities to choose from.
We are all good communicators.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxCQCENOtoM
June 5th, 2009 at 9:42 pm
Fantasy. I think it took some moxy to call Mexico. It was the story that drove you.
June 5th, 2009 at 10:13 pm
Ama @9:23
Ama. That still doesn’t make sense.
It goes against the grain of every experience you have had with MH on this board.
Imagine MH masquerading for 15 months and you and anyone else being unable to discern.
What obtuse people we, at JFX.
Why did you want us to all go to another thread anyway? You know where we are. Here.
June 5th, 2009 at 11:05 pm
QB–I appreciate your legal knowledge. And I agree with Fantasy, you don’t have to be Team anyone to post here. Your opinions, especially your legal mind, is appreciated.
Fantasy about the interviews Adnan did with ET, there are many fans who think he “sold her out”, but I never thought that. I stopped going to many sites because of that opinion…it never stopped. There was never the possibility for anything else.
June 5th, 2009 at 11:37 pm
AM-
Going back to capacity, Eardley formally requested that Brit testify in the PRO case and Bobb denied that request by essentially deferring to Goetz’s 2/08 ruling that Brit lacked capacity to hire an attorney and by extension to testify on her own behalf. There is no way for either Lufti or Wright to get around that ruling because it has not been modified. The conservatorship is kind of like a shield that insultates Brit from opposing counsel. They can’t get near her and have to settle for Jamie.
It is so unfortuate that Adnan is facing potentially years in prison for an incident that should have never happened.
I remember watching Adnan on ET and he seemed to be sincere. He claimed that he was not paid for the interview. A lot of the Brit fans put Adnan and Lufti in the same category but unlike Lufti, I believe Adnan really cared about Brit. I think the reason why Lufti implicated Adnan in his scheme to disrupt the conservatorship is because he considered Adnan’s presence in Brit’s life to be a threat.
June 5th, 2009 at 11:59 pm
QB, I agree with you about the Lufti and Adnan.
Can Wright do anything to get Britney re-evaluated and to throw out the 2/08 ruling? It’s now 6/09, can you present pictures from that time and compare them to her now? I know I’m reaching.
A question that has to do with custody, if something happened to Kevin, would Britney get back custody? Or would her parents get custody?
June 6th, 2009 at 12:21 am
I thought about something similar, small. Would K-Fed’s parents get custody?
——
And here we are. Taken care of.
——
QB. There is a difference between capacity and competence.
She has the competence to testify. Wright didn’t enter as legal representation of Britney where others have. You have not addressed a protective order. If I am in left field, why didn’t the 2/2008 ruling stand in Wright’s case? Why the sudden change to permanent c-ship?
If this isn’t your area, say so. I appreciate your education and input. I think some people think you are offering a competent, experienced opinion where it seems you are speculating. Are you?
What is your area of expertise by the way? If you can or will say.
June 6th, 2009 at 12:30 am
Correction: If you can or will say. (this is for your anonymity, not a challenge)
June 6th, 2009 at 12:37 am
AM, I didn’t even think his parents could get custody because they would still have a surviving parent. That is why suggested her parents because they have custody of the surviving parents. I know that sounds horrible, but that is kind of how I see this c-ship—Jamie has custody of Britney and she’s paying him child support. I know I know pretty stupid.
June 6th, 2009 at 12:38 am
I think too fast and never go back to correct my grammar. I see mistakes in my last post, but you get what I’m trying to say, right?
June 6th, 2009 at 12:50 am
AM-
I am a new attorney so I do not have any particular expertise in probate law but a lot of my reasoning is based on what I have learned in law school plus common sense. I’ve never claimed to be an expert in this area but I have a general interest in litigation.
You keep talking about “competency” and I’m focused on capacity because that is the term all of the judges and the lawyers are using. Brit can’t hire an attorney because she lacks “capacity”.
On what basis do you believe that Brit has “competency”. Bobb denied Eardley’s request to have Brit testify by citing Goetz’s 2/08 ruling. That ruling had everything to do with capacity, the word “comptency” was not used.
If someone has been deemed to lack the capacity to retain an attorney that determination carries over into other areas such as the ability to testify.
Wright wants Brit’s testimony. Jamie/Co. are relying on the 08 ruling to get the protective order. Initially, Goetz does not seemed inclined to allow Brit to testify but I believe the issue will be revisited this summer.
Wright and Eardley have both argued that if Brit can sing and dance and complete a world tour certainly she can testify in court but Goetz has disagreed.
June 6th, 2009 at 4:34 am
It may be either too early or too late for me to
be making a post but what else is there for a
person with intermittent sleep to do when it’s
after 4am on a Saturday morning and it’s pouring
rain outside? Don’t answer that.
I want to respond to Small’s question because I’ve
wondered about the same thing. If something were
to happen to Kevin who would get the kids?
I’m gonna play lawyer now so my answer may not
be accurate. Here I go. Follow along, please.
If something, not necessarily death, occurs to
Kevin naturally I thought that their mother would
be awarded custody. But since their mother is
locked into a conservatorship where she pretty
much is equal to her children from a legal point
of view, i.e. a child/minor, then it would have to
be the surviving parent’s parent(s), Jamie and/or
Lynne, who would be the one’s who would be awarded
some sort of guardianship or maybe even custody of
the kids although they are divorced. They’d have
to go through the courts to legally and officially
have rights to the kids. But that’s what I
think would happen.
But here’s the thing. Kevin is the custodial
parent. He has been caring for SP & JJ primarily
since 2007. Last year he was awarded sole legal
and physical custody of the boys. Britney has no
legal rights at all, just visitation. So it would
not surprise me that if something happened to Kev
his parents Mike and Julie would be able to have
a guardianship or maybe even custody of the boys
although they too are divorced.
And how about this, guys. How do we know that
Kevin hasn’t already been advised (by Kaplan)
to have legal papers drawn that would appoint a
specific person(s) to care for the boys if he
could not. I bet it’s already been hammered out.
There’s something called Advance Appointment
where a parent specifically names who they would
like to serve as guardian and have it confirmed
by the court which would prevent others from
objection.
If Kevin has appointed a guardian (his parents or
another individual or couple) to act as the
guardian for the boys if he can’t for any reason
care for them, his parents would be the one’s to
continue raising SP & JJ. I predict that there
would be another legal battle. If still under a
c-ship, Britney would need Jamie to fight for a
guardianship or custody on her behalf in order for her to have access to the kids. I don’t know
the specifics of grandparent’s right’s. But both
sets of grandparent’s would be able to assert
their rights to the kids.
Jamie’s got the $$$ (Britney’s $$$) to fight a
lengthy fight with K’s folks. Could money trump
a predetermined appointment of guardianship that
Kevin may have set in place? Does something like
Advanced Appointment trump a biological mother’s
right’s to her children even though she’s in a
conservatorship? Would Britney lose the kid’s
again but this time to their paternal grandparent?
Would she then have to pay child support to either
Julie or Mike Federline? Makes you think, doesn’t
it? Hopefully, it’ll never be something that will
have to be addressed.
Well, that’s my post. Right or wrong there it is.
The Nanny is on right now. Sucks, I know.
I’m gonna watch it. Maybe it’ll put me to sleep.
TTYL (talk to you later).
June 6th, 2009 at 5:02 am
Should I take medication? Nevermind.
Britney Settles Johnny Wright Lawsuit
(there goes the depo/testimony)
http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b127874_britney_settling_up_with_ex-manager.html
June 6th, 2009 at 9:57 am
anti-SLAPP Statue
June 6th, 2009 at 9:58 am
correction…
anti-SLAPP Statute
June 6th, 2009 at 11:39 am
http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/article/spears-settles-ex-managers-lawsuit_1105701
SPEARS SETTLES EX-MANAGER’S LAWSUIT
BRITNEY SPEARS has settled a lawsuit brought against her by a former manager who accused the pop star of failing to pay him commission.
Spears was sued by Florida-based Johnny Wright, who she worked with from 1999 until 2003, over claims the singer breached a contract by failing to pay him between 2006 and 2008.
The case was settled in a Los Angeles court on Friday (05Jun09), although terms of the financial agreement were not disclosed, according to the Los Angeles Times.
Los Angeles Superior Court Commissioner Reva Goetz, who has been overseeing Spears’ conservatorship, approved the settlement and also signed off $193,000 (£128,667) in legal fees to be paid by the singer, the majority going to the attorneys who handed the Wright case.
Spears was placed in a court-ordered conservatorship last year (08) which handed her father, Jamie, control over her legal and business affairs.
June 6th, 2009 at 11:58 am
Adnan…out and about.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nt3dYV_hC8M
ok, time to get off this stupid computer. have a good day.
June 6th, 2009 at 12:16 pm
“Amethyst Mine Says:
June 5th, 2009 at 10:13 pm
Ama @9:23
Ama. That still doesn’t make sense.
It goes against the grain of every experience you have had with MH on this board.
Imagine MH masquerading for 15 months and you and anyone else being unable to discern.
What obtuse people we, at JFX.
Why did you want us to all go to another thread anyway? You know where we are. Here.
”
AM
Are you after me in some way? Have i done something terrible against you?
Whats wrong?
I did not want you to move to an other tread! I I just point out that I had written a question there, and the ones who maybe have some idea about it, maybe could answer. On the very same tread I now written on.
And QB, who apparently understand it, and some other did so.
I have saved the link you before give out about the law system in US and try to find some knowledge from it.
The US law system are a ? for me, and the meaning of words are also totally strange for me.
MH seams to forgive me for misstaken and missunderstand her comment, mabye you in you high enviroment can do so too?
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For example, in my country you could never get a restraingorder against a person on just “believes”
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June 6th, 2009 at 3:50 pm
Thank you, MH! Thank you thank you thank you!
peace
June 6th, 2009 at 5:29 pm
QB. arghh. Here is one way to look at it. Maybe a person lacked capacity (they were drunk for example) when they did a crime but are they competent to stand trial? Understands questions, understands consequences of action, understand trial proceedings? In this case, a deposition.
Townsend thought she had the competence IMO. No one has said she is or was incompetent. They have said she is susceptible to undue influence (she is easily influenced by others? not the best judge of character? I mean, what does this really mean?) and lacked the capacity to hire her own attorney.
That should have stood on it’s own right? But it didn’t and they got a protective order instead when it came to someone asking for Britney to testify about accounting and why she stopped paying Johnny.
What do you think? Or maybe 4 a.m. Fantasy has input.
Thanks for telling us more about your background. I wince that you have the education and have passed the bar. It’s a different kind of stress I know. My eldest nephew is studying for the bar right now. I hope the market becomes more promising. Anyway, that will be four lawyers in the family. Pity none of them reside in California for me to bug with questions and leads.
June 6th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
Fantasy. I admire your 4 a.m. musings. I must say it was very convoluted and thorough. You surprise me too by some of the things you know, such as the names of Kevin’s parents.
You seem to have covered all of the bases. I think custody would go to the Spears family as they have the mother but who knows? — okay on to the fun!
Adnan looks so GOOD.
June 6th, 2009 at 5:37 pm
small. Why would you ever say that you sound stupid or it’s sound leave. lol leave those departments to Fantasy and I who make phone calls.
Fantasy. By the way. I should have thought to have suggested that one of us call public affairs for the next trial date. I was more anxious to talk to my source and I haven’t always lucked out with the easiest personalities at public affairs. I think it is just one person though if I recognize the voice and honestly once she figured out what I wanted she was forthcoming.
If you call, you will need the case number. I’m not posting it here. You should have it from Radaronline.
June 6th, 2009 at 5:39 pm
Ama. I am not after you nor am I holier than you or living in a higher place than you. I think you live in the highest place of all, to yourself.
You just amazed me.
June 6th, 2009 at 7:10 pm
Hi all,
I haven’t read here in SO long. Busy, busy, busy…too busy.
Just wanted to say a quick “Hello.” Will pop back in when I can actually read a thread.
I hope you’re all well!
June 6th, 2009 at 8:50 pm
Hello, Steel! You are missed. I was going to try a singapore sling next. If that didn’t work I was going to try reverse psychology. You missed out on ganja.
June 6th, 2009 at 9:15 pm
Should Britney Spears be under her father’s control?
The troubled star’s new world tour suggests pop’s greatest comeback, but who’s really pulling the strings?
http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/music/article6422569.ece
June 6th, 2009 at 10:43 pm
Great article. And great video of Adnan.
(Thanks MH) It’s so good to see Adnan smiling.
You know what, guys. It’s beginning to look as if
the tide is turning. Maybe this tour wasn’t such
a bad idea after all. The longer B is out there
doing 3-4 shows a week around the world, the more
people will begin to ask why is she still under a
conservatorship. I really feel like finally, yet
slowly, people are opening their eyes and seeing
what really is happening with this c-ship.
With every lawsuit, every restraining order, every
million that is spent on a monthly basis to
maintain the conservatorship is like a breaking of
a link from the chain that has been binding
Britney for the last 16 months. That is how I’m
beginning to see it.
I think there’ll be more stories that’ll be
written about Britney and the c-ship as well as
her father and all of the atty’s involved in this
case. The truth has a way of revealing itself.
We try to speed it along but it’s starting to
come out on it’s own and in it’s own time.
My patience isn’t great. I don’t have any other
choice but to sit and wait and watch what is
happening. But no matter how long this revealing
process lasts, even if it takes another 16 months,
I will be looking on.
St. Mag, we miss ya.
BBS.
June 6th, 2009 at 11:04 pm
>>>Great article.
Really? OK.
June 6th, 2009 at 11:11 pm
That article is about as accurate as this lame crap from mahalo.
Paparazzo Adnan Ghalib was reportedly stabbed in the arm by an unknown person on April 12, 2008 at a Los Angeles nightclub. The photographer claims that he has been receiving death threats as well. According to JFXOnline, Ghalib received medical attention for the stabbing at a Los Angeles hospital as well as facial lacerations and a black eye. He is reportedly doing okay. The attacker has not been found. Ghalib was romantically linked to pop star Britney Spears late 2007 to early 2008.
June 6th, 2009 at 11:19 pm
Fantasy, ‘I don’t have any other choice but to sit and wait and watch what is happening.’
Is this true? You’re doing something here, Fantasy. You’re asking questions. You’re stating your thinking. You’ve picked up the phone at least once.
Don’t underestimate yourself.
June 6th, 2009 at 11:50 pm
The article MH linked provided a great overview of the situation but in many places was quite inaccurate.
First, I would not describe what Brit is going through right now as a “comeback” because that implies that she made a choice to come back to her career. We all know that legally Brit does not have the power to do anything. In addition, even if Brit wanted to make a comeback who is to say that she would go about it this way.
Secondly, Brit did not lose custody in 9/2007 because she was allegedly abusing drugs. She lost physical custody in 10/2007 because the judge found that she was not in substantial compliance with the court’s orders i.e, she did not follow through with some of the drug tests. I have often wondered if Lufti had something to do with that such as he conveniently forgot to relay a message to Brit thus resulting in her not being aware of what the judge wanted her to do.
Thirdly, I really do not like when media outlets quote anyone from X-17. In my opinion, X-17 is not reputable. I always find it interesting how Brandy always mentions how Brit’s parents were not there for her and did not give her support in 2007. The reason why Brit and her parents were estranged was because Brit felt forced into rehab and betrayed because she felt Jamie/Lynne had sided with Kevin in the custody battle. If Brit did not want her parents in her life there is no way they could have helped her.
June 6th, 2009 at 11:52 pm
Yes. I like the article. I really do.
To me, the whole point I was trying to make is
that the number of people who question why Britney
is still under a c-ship is starting to grow.
I think that is a good thing.
People aren’t totally understanding why is it that
her team feels she’s well enough to get on stage
in various cities around the world but at the
same time they’re wanting the public to believe
that she’s not well enough to to attend c-ship
hearings or testify in court.
It doesn’t matter to me if it’s BH, E!, or a
random blog that’s trying to understand why a
conservatorship is still needed for someone as
young as she is and who appears to have recovered
enough to take on a world tour that’ll last for
several months. It never hurts to question
something if you don’t understand it.
June 6th, 2009 at 11:54 pm
I’m looking at the latest article MH posted.
‘A total of 17 lawyers made about $3.7m from the conservatorship’
Guys. (ok: gals!) This figure should read $3,753,229 (I think) and guess what it was for?
Co-Conservators.
Jamie’s attorney
Sam’
legal fees for co-conservators
625K to Kaplan
Royal Audit (she was required by her contract to provide an audit to Wright if she didn’t keep Wright current)
Business management and Acctg: $356
Fantasy. If the mood strikes you at 4 a.m. can you assume the role of accountant?
The bulk of the legal costs points to Jamie, Andrew, Sam I. Jamie Spears’ legal representation cost the most — $1,053,810.00
Am I reading this right?
June 7th, 2009 at 12:15 am
The British press doesn’t ever seem to focus on
accuracy. I know the timeline of certain events
just as well as most people here do when it comes
to Britney, more so than what happens in court
concerning the conservatorship.
Like I just said, I’m simply happy that questions
are being asked. This site is the only one where
you can have a discussion about the c-ship and
not be called crazy or have some think that you
want Britney to remain unstable for some kind
of personal thrill or financial gain.
There’s always good conversation here.
That’s what I like the most about JFX.
I wouldn’t bother going to Exhale to express
how I’m really feeling. It would be a waste
of time. I don’t want to argue with them.
Most of them aren’t bothered by Jamie, all the
atty. fees, or anything like that.
But let Britney mix a cowboy hat with a circus
ringleader costume and they hit the roof.
I don’t get those Ex’ers sometimes.
They’re a little off, you know.
June 7th, 2009 at 12:19 am
Ha ha. Amethyst, I just might give it a try.
June 7th, 2009 at 12:56 am
Fantasy, I agree with you that more and more people are questioning the conservatorship but I still believe that the mainstream media is accepting and not asking the tough questions. I’m constantly reading stories about her concerts and expanding the tour but not about whether the conservatorship should be terminated. When the conservatorship was made permanent, most outlets were not critical but only E! really got the significance of it meaning conservatorship equals no custody.
What is also interesting to me is that the LA legal community has been relatively quiet in part because those involved are well respected. Check the state bar website. Ingham and Wallet are both listed as specialists in trust/probate law and have been practing law for 34 and 29 years. They have no public record of discipline. Nobody takes Eardley seriously because he has been thrown out of court and sanctioned.
What would be interesting to see if someone could find another example of an individual in Brit’s position being put under a permanent conservatorship. The average person who is put under a conservatorship is a guy like Peter Falk- an elderly man with dementsia.
June 7th, 2009 at 1:33 am
Fantasy–thank you for your 4 AM thoughts. It was great to read. Thank goodness I wasn’t alone in wondering about the kids, etc..
MH, thank you for the Adnan link. Nice to see him.
AM, sorry about calling my comments stupid. I think too far ahead sometimes.
Fantasy, one more thing, good pt of maybe media will start questioning the c-ship if they wonder how she can perform, etc..
June 7th, 2009 at 1:35 am
Does Adnan look thinner to you guys or is it only me? He looks in good spirits. I wish him well
I can’t believe one of the comments posted with that video.
June 7th, 2009 at 1:36 am
Good night everyone
Go Lakers!!
June 7th, 2009 at 2:44 am
To all.
Do something.
June 7th, 2009 at 2:52 am
‘When the conservatorship was made permanent, most outlets were not critical but only E! really got the significance of it meaning conservatorship equals no custody.’
Gee. I wonder why. Do you know why, QB as to most outlets not being critical?
‘Apparently Britney approves…’ ? ? ?
Check the source.
June 7th, 2009 at 2:54 am
Ama. Do something.
June 7th, 2009 at 7:35 am
Fantasy Says:
June 6th, 2009 at 11:52 pm
Yes. I like the article. I really do.
To me, the whole point I was trying to make is
that the number of people who question why Britney
is still under a c-ship is starting to grow.
I think that is a good thing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I had the same thought when I read the article.
I noticed a lot of inaccuracies, but at the same time, I felt like this may mark a bit of a turning point when it comes to how the public views the C-ship.
Baby steps.
June 7th, 2009 at 8:07 am
The Sun is amazing.
June 7th, 2009 at 9:59 am
Maybe this already have been talked about here, but I found a video (who I cant see
)
But its about Britney and the c-chip i guess.
Its a law site, and YES, I do not understand if this is a ´serious´ site, but it look like that when onw get to the home site.
Anyway, here is the link:
http://www.uslaw.com/pop/category/celebrity-justice/britney-spears/
June 7th, 2009 at 10:03 am
I do not know if this is the link tht AM give before?
http://www.uslaw.com/law_blogs/Wills,+Trusts+&+Estates+Prof+Blog?blog=178
Anyway, it was on this site I later found that video, who I cant see (from 26 may)
June 7th, 2009 at 10:23 am
This is the word I have looked fore, and the use in law.
Is this not what happend to Adnan?
I cant get around this..
If not Jamie Spears have get a lawyer (?) to say its enough with “belives”, they could not giving out a restrainingorder on Adnan?
Or please, you who understand this, explain for me where the proof of Adnan doing something wrong against the c-chip is.
http://www.uslaw.com/us_law_dictionary/f/False+Pretenses
June 7th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
About Adnan, I’ve yet to see/read any proof that
he was conspiring to undermine the c-ship.
I think that Jamie wrongly connected Adnan to Sam
and Eardley to make it look as if the 3 men were
trying to undo the c-ship. It was reported by
TMZ that Sam and Adnan tried to undo the c-ship
by threatening to divulge personal info about the
Spears family. TMZ claimed that B was mad at both
men because she really didn’t want the c-ship
undone or her family secrets revealed. TMZ went
on to say that Britney is scared of them and wants
them to “rot in jail”.
Those sound like Jamie’s words not Britney’s.
If Adnan did anything at all I’m just
gonna guess that he was just trying to help
her, not poison her mind against her dad or the
c-ship like it was claimed. If Britney wanted
help or even more information about how to let
go of Ingham or c-ship info in general Adnan
would have done what I would have done. I’d go
online and look for answers and tell Britney what
I found out. That’s not a conspiracy or a crime.
I still don’t think that Adnan did anything wrong.
June 7th, 2009 at 12:35 pm
Question. Do you all remember reading that
a woman contacted Jamie by text or IM claiming
to be the mother of a daughter with autism?
I can’t recall why this woman was doing that
but now I’m wondering who this person could have
been. Something tells me that maybe Sam got his
sister Christina to make those texts/IM’s.
What do you all think?
In the Radar interview Christina said that she’d
spoken to Britney and about how she wanted out of
the c-ship and about how controling Jamie is.
Christina came across as a nice enough person but
also a sibling trying to help her brother out in
any way she could.
As for the phone, if I’m not mistaken, not one
time did I hear Christina say that the pre-paid
cell phone was from Adnan or even Adnan and Sam.
I don’t recall her even saying the name Adnan in
the Radar interview. Did she say the phone was
from Adnan when she testified in court?
So to answer your question, Amapola, Adnan was
not a conspirator. Just being helpful. imo.
The whole process server incident just makes
things look worse for him in the eye’s of the
public. It almost cements what Jamie claimed
which is that he’s a very bad guy and should be
locked away.
It makes Adnan look like a dangerous person who’d
go to extremes to enter back into Britney’s life
and knock down anyone who got in the way.
I don’t believe for a second that Britney is
scared of Adnan. I don’t think that she even fears
Sam. Why’d she turn to someone who scares her?
It doesn’t make any sense to me.
June 7th, 2009 at 12:35 pm
Thank you Fantasy..
It just impossible for me to understand..Is it always private companies who execess and distributes in such important juridik matters?
I thought it was the US law who was in charge.
June 7th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
A quote:
.. ” .. (Over) two million Americans are behind bars (which is) the biggest prison population on earth. America has the highest incarceration rate of any nation; six times higher than China, a place (America) believes is far more opressive (than America). The USA has 5% of the world’s population but one quarter (25%) of the world’s prisoners ..” ..
A statistic to make you shudder, and raise a few questions, don’t you think?
June 7th, 2009 at 4:45 pm
Here is a copy of th E! article I mentioned earlier.
http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b66023_Britney_Agrees_to_Permanent_Conservatorship__Jeopardizes_Custody_Chances.html
The legal specialist was quoted as saying “The burden now shifts to Britney Spears or her conservator [Spears' father] to prove that she is perfectly capable, rather than the conservator having to prove that she is not capable,” says Leichter.” If the court makes it a permanent order, she would have to come into court and show that she no longer needs it.”
I think it is interesting that Brit has the burden to prove she is capable of managing her own affairs but how does she go about doing that when the conservators manage every aspect of her life.
E! by far is the only media outlet that has written multiple stories on the downside of the conservatorship such as this article, the coverage of JM and Ted Casablanca’s articles concerning Brit’s unhappiness and her desire not to go on to tour. E! either has a very good source or is simply presenting an opposing argument just to be contrarian.
June 7th, 2009 at 4:52 pm
“Fantasy Says:
June 7th, 2009 at 12:35 pm
…
…..
””””””””””
Hey Fantasy.
No I do not remember that women, but I´m sure I miss a lot becasue there is a lot of english to read..get tired in my head now and then
About this:
“I don’t believe for a second that Britney is
scared of Adnan. I don’t think that she even fears
Sam. Why’d she turn to someone who scares her?
It doesn’t make any sense to me”
I do believe Britney are scared, also angry and maybe more, against Sam Lufti.
Of course she are! She have resons.
Sam Lutfi have done unspeakable bad things to her, risking her life too.
She have all right to which him forever out of her life.
But Adnan..he have not done anything to hurt her. He defend her life and helped her when he told that she must get Sam Lutfi out of her life. Nothing happend,
Adnan contact Lynne Spears, alarming of the situation Sam Lutfi created for Britney.
The crazy unctrolled medical giving and all the rest humilated treatment that Sam Lutfi did on Britney, something I´m sure many was aware of, but only Adnan alarming on.
Adnan have something who is named civil curage and because Britney get in worse shape, he must have felt that he have to try to save her.
And look what they (?) done to Adnan because of that.
Its a shame.
June 7th, 2009 at 4:53 pm
Cloud Says:
June 7th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
A statistic to make you shudder, and raise a few questions, don’t you think?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I’ve long thought that Brit’s best bet was to get the attention of International media, as I think the American media is a lost cause when it comes to her prison term, err, I mean, C-ship.
Perhaps by the end of her European tour things will start to look differently?
June 7th, 2009 at 5:02 pm
Side question…
Who operates prison facilities in the USA? The government, or private companies?
http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/episode/prison-nation-3457/Overview#tab-facts
Who operates the conservatorship? Really? For real?
Corporations really do seem to rule the world…
June 7th, 2009 at 5:27 pm
Cloud..
I do I did not know those facts.
Can it be so that the privatisation of the prisons have an impact? Lucrative business I believe…
There is some nutcases who want private prisons here too, but jet they not get respons.
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Here, in Europe, we have elections today, to the EU parlament. (Aout 500 million people)
One get sad and scared when one see that many countries have succeed to get the most terrifying and horrible small parties into parlament.
I think you understand under what “umbrella” they are to find.
The web is very good, we can all, from all countiries get information about what is happening right now, and we can learn from, and about each other.
But honor and civil curage are the same in every language. And are the most important thing we shall take care of.
And, before anybody get upset, its because its this huge election today, who also have some impact on the rest of the world in the end, who did that I mention this thougths.
Will not do it again on this site.
June 7th, 2009 at 5:31 pm
If my comments come in after a comment who are almost about the same as I write, its becasue it take me such time to write a comment, as correct as I can.
I now read your comments Steel_ and I see that we think of the same.
June 7th, 2009 at 5:49 pm
Just catching up. Ama, right before I went to sleep last night, I got to thinking about you being in Europe, speaking three languages, and I think probably a skilled writer in your native language.
Anyway, that’s when I had the brilliant idea of “Ama being able to do something.” I glimpsed SM’s message today and I think she is right about foreign press being part of the answer.
Just wanted to explain my “Ama. Do something,” comment. It was a plea out of frustration. Each of us seems so capable and many of us seem passionate about fair justice.
If you were ever going to act the time is now.
June 7th, 2009 at 6:06 pm
If Britney or her dad goes to court seeking to
terminate the conservatorship what kind of proof
will they need to have that she is no longer in
need of a c-ship?
Whose opinion matters most, Britney’s, Jamie’s,
doctor’s or the judge? All of the above?
It kinda sounds like her belief that she’s better
means so little if she can’t get doctor’s, Jamie,
or others to vouch for her.
Am I understanding this correctly?
June 7th, 2009 at 6:26 pm
Fantasy. I have no answers. Perhaps someone else will.
————–
Hey guys? Just wondering. Without the AP, LA Times, or even Radaronline or TMZ covering Adnan, the story will not make Europe, Australia and the like.
What would be the cons of Adnan’s story coming to light right now? What would be the cons of Korn’s statement that Jamie is behind all of it, the TRO, (the unnamed attorney in the courtroom), the person asking the D.A. to have a CRO cover Britney?
If no coverage in Europe .. is there less chance of Britney knowing what is going on with Adnan?
Would coverage in Europe effect tour sales?
I disbelieve that credible mass media and celebrity news outlets has suddenly cut their coverage on Britney’s former or current boyfriend.
Ama. Did you see Sam’s Twitter posted the same day as the trial jury was announced? Forgive please if Fantasy posted it. ‘Today marks the first of many more victories to come……. Hallelujah!!!!!2:16 PM Jun 4th from web’
Fantasy. It’s time-stamped now.
June 7th, 2009 at 6:27 pm
Correction: I disbelieve that credible mass media etc. cut their coverage for any logical or simple reason.
June 7th, 2009 at 6:39 pm
“Steel_Magnolia and AM
I´m sad to say that under this time (1 1/2 year) I have only read ONE REAL journalistic article about Britney Spears, Kentwood, and her family. (it is some monthe ago)
The other comments are bad translations of different “crazy” gossip US/UK/Scandinavia stories. The people who have translate them and get them published in the papers must be s t u p i d below any limits.
AM, I dont have the need to say what, or if, I have done anything…
Anyway, that real reportage was from Kentwood. It describe Kentwood and how it looked now.
The little town is almost not, any longer.
Also two ladies, with namens, said that Spears family should do someting for Kentwood, “because they was like us before”
They told the reporter that Britney was on the way to visiting Kentwood, “becasue Lynne have working with the garden and other arrangement for days now”.
They also was not so amused of Lynne, why did the reporters not get. Then they suddenly said that they have been fooled to say what they had said, but “so was it not” the reporter (who not use to write gossips) claimed.
(I suppose it’s the was usual women “jelousie”..)
Anyway, people saw Jamie Spears like a person who was HUGE now in the community, and they told about the house the Spears have built. “Go and look they said.”
The journalists took their car and get on the way to the house.
They get outside the house, they saw a “many floors house, almost like a Castle” it look, strange to see out in an almost wild nature, no building near it. Solitude.
Instantly a police appear, and told them:
“- Now you are in troulbe”, and they was told to live and was followed out ut of the town.
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I try to translate as good as possibly, and I have not wanted to tell about it before, because I thougt of the two ladies..
I would not be a good gossip reporter, as you understand.
June 7th, 2009 at 6:48 pm
Forget to say, its an article from some months back
June 7th, 2009 at 6:54 pm
About that Twitter thing going on.
I have not learn to use it, and also, I get enough on the sites I read now.
I did not know that Sam use the world ´Halleluja´ when he was happy, but that is also mayby a worldwide used expression.
He, if it is he, is happy when something goes bad for others..
Typical Sam Lutfi style, or what do you say?
June 7th, 2009 at 7:47 pm
http://www.theinsider.com/news/2257583_Britney_Has_Naked_Pics
her father in the background…howing f-ing stupid. i hate the “media” more and more each day.
oh, and that rotten adnan.
neither were in her life at that point, right?
grrrrrr
June 7th, 2009 at 7:57 pm
I understand I think. My shoulders just fell down some with your note.
Do you think if there were a legitimate article here in the U.S., you might post links to it in your language and the others you know? I haven’t tried to find fansites in Europe but I learned a few things in using a few words I knew in French and Italian (I also used Babel Vista to translate) to find that the L.A. Times article had been reprinted (about Spears spending $10 million). The article you posted in Swedish led to that thinking and curiosity.
No need to decide now. Let’s wait and see if the truth article happens.
Steel. Did you see the clip of Adnan that MH posted? Filmographer, anything you can do with it?
You mentioned long ago, Steel, the need for a public relations campaign. I think now is the time.
By the way, it wouldn’t be unusual to ask oneself, who me? Well, nobody else is coming.
I am Pavlov’s dog: if I can’t see how to make something I engage with little interest. If I see a possibility, and I do, .. LA, Europe, Canada .. Australia. The news gets printed there .. and maybe it will be reprinted here.
I don’t know. I do know twelve people from L.A. will be selected for the jury. My brother, the judge, told me that jurors have their instructions but media does leak into courtrooms and jurors are human. 10 of 12 jurors, in the driver’s license case, erroneously thought they were going to meet Britney Spears.
Input anyone? France and Italy raising a fuss would be great. Who knows or believes more about love and passion (as a culture?) Spain. Portugal. US tabloid market is foul with rotting strawberries. There must be something our little crew can do.
June 7th, 2009 at 8:00 pm
Correction: 10 of 12 jurors…meet Britney Spears. Do you remember that both the AP and the LA Times made it seem that Britney might arrive at any moment? (still delving into that esp. why individual jurors thought they would meet her)
June 7th, 2009 at 8:09 pm
More Adnan bashing. Will it ever stop?
Britney’s Gimme More was filmed in mid-July 2007.
Some entertainment news sources said the video
she was filming was for a song called “Get Back”.
That was wrong. (Get Back is a great song though.)
Britney wasn’t even legally divorced from Kevin.
I believe the divorce was finalized July 30, 2007.
I personally don’t recall seeing Adnan until late
September 2007 when he helped Britney leave a
Quizno’s. Oh, and there was footage of them in
the bathroom talking about something.
I think she and Jamie were still estranged at
that time. Before the c-ship I hadn’t seen him
anywhere near Britney since she was pregnant with
Jayden James in 2006. I don’t think Jamie was at
the video shoot. But I do remember rumors of
Britney having a “moment” on the set of that vid.
June 7th, 2009 at 8:12 pm
MH. That article looks Lutfi drawn. Doesn’t it? It’s so typical. Media war world war III. He’s at it again.
Ama. No matter about Twitter. I just wanted to ensure that you saw what he wrote. It appears to be a legitimate Twitter account.
You’re right. Hallelujah has become a more widely used expression by some. I can’t imagine the younger generation using it but who knows.
June 7th, 2009 at 8:20 pm
start a dedicated blog. it can be translated in other languages.
media campaigns work both ways.
the only problems is they have contacts and money. big problem.
adnan goes viral lol
June 7th, 2009 at 8:22 pm
too many people have their minds made up. it will be very difficult.
June 7th, 2009 at 8:24 pm
Hey Adnan,
You looked really hot in the fred segal vid.
ok, blushing lol
June 7th, 2009 at 9:38 pm
“Too many people have their mind made up.”
Do they? Many people still don’t know who Adnan is and think that Britney tried to have a fansite shut down.
US Weekly was a Lutfi vehicle. They’ve had little on Britney since he left. People has rarely written about Adnan, have they? Then there is the court reporter thinking he is like any other joe schmoe and not worthy of conversation given “real murders” and felons and such.
Anyone can be pulled into jury duty and won’t it be up to Korn and the D.A. to dismiss prejudiced jurors? I think there is a chance.
I am thankful every day that Adnan is not in Italy where a young girl has been held in prison for more than a year while awaiting trial and now going through a trial. The CRO is a pretty good thing in light of that. Freedom. In Italy you are guilty until proven innocent.
Anyway, let’s do what we can?
Fantasy. I am on the Nokia phone but it’s taking time.
Also, read into that article that MH found. Lutfi has his prints all over it to my mind.
Were you able to date the Twitter to the JFX announcement? He could have had his own spies there. He may have been in court himself especially as there were no cameras this time.
June 7th, 2009 at 9:42 pm
Adnan viral? Yea! lol. And Adnan? You looked really fine. Keep it up. Be the person that you are, rather than person you are experiencing being, if that makes any sense.
June 7th, 2009 at 9:48 pm
Fantasy. I see some people are also asking about Lutfi and the photos? They haven’t connected the article yet.
June 8th, 2009 at 2:23 am
write a letter to the judge?
put some pressure on the judge. new psych eval etc…
June 8th, 2009 at 2:55 am
There are moments like these where I’m really
thankful that I don’t sleep like normal people do.
I just woke up and as usual I had to check the
comments here to see which direction the
conversation is in and to my surprise I see new
photos of Adnan having lunch and a smoke with
some guy whose name I have no interest in knowing.
No disrespect to him but, yeah, you know….
I can’t even begin to tell you how awesome it is
to (sorta) literally wake up with Adnan. (ha ha)
I mean, I don’t call myself Fantasy for nothing.
LOL. Seriously, this is a moment for me.
I’m gonna stop now and enjoy this experience for
a little while. I have nothing left to say.
June 8th, 2009 at 12:28 pm
June 8th, 2009 at 12:31 pm
Fantasy. What are you talking about? The short clip from Hollyaccess that MH posted? You got moar?
June 8th, 2009 at 12:33 pm
OH! silly me!
June 8th, 2009 at 12:37 pm
Are these shirts the same or similar?
Britney 6-6-2009
http://www.celebrity-gossip.net/celebrity_gallery/image_full177533/
Jason 6-2-2009
http://toxicthrill.com/?p=1753
I still think they’re probably just friends.
He’s like her chaperone in a way.
Maybe there is something that they are keeping
private or maybe nothing at all.
I saw a photo gallery of them at the park w/
the boys and I see zero lovey dovey vibes between
the two. But you never know.
June 8th, 2009 at 12:44 pm
Britney- Maddox Club 6-6-2009
http://www.breatheheavy.com/index.php?subtraction=showfull&id=1244395400&archive=&start_from=&ucat=&
Maybe this link will work. idk?
June 8th, 2009 at 12:48 pm
Okay. My links aren’t working. Still, do you
think the shirts are similar or the same?
I’ve moved on from Rosary Gate to my new thing,
Plaid Shirt Gate. You all be the deciders.
June 8th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
haha, Fantasy. You are funny. I’ll play. I maintain he is a friend. Must be nice to be with a friend — interesting that she hasn’t been photographed with her dad except for the Bahamas made-for-the public photos.
They probably just went low profile. That’s a girl’s shirt not a borrowed shirt.
You are a trouble maker.
June 8th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
Update. Per public affairs, the preliminary hearing will be held July 9th.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preliminary_hearing
Linda. Are you sure this is going to a jury trial? Isn’t there still a chance the case could be dismissed?
June 8th, 2009 at 1:52 pm
Is there still time to plea bargain?
I thought that would be some what of an easy out.
But I’ve read some reports that if you are
convicted of a felony you’ll be deported. Even if
you hold a green card. I don’t know Adnan’s
status, green card holder or a resident, etc.
Does a plea bargain equal a conviction?
He’s got a 50/50 chance at winning.
I’m hopeful. Good luck, A.
June 8th, 2009 at 2:04 pm
Easy out? Are you kidding? Plea bargains can be nasty and they end up on your record period and you may still have to do time. Remember that Flanagan “vigorously” fought to keep a misdemeanor off of Britney’s record?
Fantasy. Please stop with the deportation rumors. Do you want the phone number for the Department of Immigration and Enforcement?
Please. Stop. Make the call, don’t forget what you were told and tell others who are spreading the rumor. It simply is not true and I have posted on this subject three times now and I hope you wouldn’t think I would lie or misrepresent the information from the dept of immigration and enforcement. I spoke with an enforcement officer.
You can do the same.
June 8th, 2009 at 2:20 pm
fantasy, deals can be made at any time. during trial, during deliberations, even after the jury has reached a decision, but before the verdict is read.
June 8th, 2009 at 2:22 pm
fan, i’m sure on the first two and pretty sure on the last. qb?
June 8th, 2009 at 2:25 pm
plaid shirts. oh boy, here we go.
June 8th, 2009 at 2:26 pm
how bout…
a woman’s freedom.
a man’s freedom.
later.
June 8th, 2009 at 2:42 pm
Somebody mentioned something about Adnan taking a plea. I know that there are some people who are totally against the idea but I feel that Adnan should keep all of his options open. The DA may or may not have made offer a Adnan a plea.
Adnan is facing years in prison if convicted on all counts. Can you imagine putting your fate in the hands of 12 strangers? At least with a plea you already know what is going to happen. Any plea could include some jail time but since the jails in LA county are so overcrowded, his sentence would only be a few months rather than a few years. This would obviously be a worst case scenario. The absolute worst thing that could happen is for Adnan to be convicted of all the charges and sent away for a long time.
In terms of deporation, what I have heard is that a permanent resident alien who has been convicted of a violent crime can face deportation. Deportation is not automatic and the person facing deporation is entitled to a hearing. The charges that Adnan is facing could be considered a violent crime. Most immigrants do not even know about this law which is quite scary.
June 8th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
QB. Fantasy. Here is a refresher:
656. Amethyst Mine Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 9:33 pm
….
I called the law enforcement agency of the Department of Immigration, etc. No way they are deporting Adnan or anyone near like him until they have served time for a proven crime in the U.S. After that, Adnan would get his time before immigration judge like anyone else.
716. Amethyst Mine Says:
April 17th, 2009 at 8:25 pm
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Fantasy. One last thing about deportation. The officer I talked to at immigration told me they don’t become aware of someone like Adnan until he has been convicted of a crime. Then he is in the system. He’s here legally so…
Deportation issues or rumors began to circulate in January 2008 under the guise of Kevin, caring about his wife, would personally see that Adnan would be deported and Kevin was investigating him, yada.
The Brand at work?
June 8th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
Correction. “Thank you, QB.” new paragraph. Fantasy, a refresher:
June 8th, 2009 at 4:19 pm
Fantasy. Here is the phone number to ICE (US Immigration and Customs Enforcement)
949-360-3096 California Below is a list for to include your state.
http://www.ice.gov/about/news/contact.htm
They call it “removal proceedings.”
June 8th, 2009 at 4:34 pm
One last from ICE’s Office of Detention and Removal.
The primary responsibility of DRO is to identify, apprehend and remove illegal aliens from the United States. This requires DRO to facilitate the processing of illegal aliens through immigration courts, and to enforce their removal from the United States.
Key elements in exercising those responsibilities include: identifying and removing all high-risk illegal alien fugitives and absconders; ensuring that those aliens who have already been identified as criminals are expeditiously removed; and to develop and maintain a robust removals program with the capacity to remove all final order cases – thus precluding growth in the illegal alien absconder population.
Simply stated, DRO’s ultimate goal is to develop the capacity to identify and remove all removable aliens.
Generally, the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) grants aliens the right to a removal proceeding before an immigration judge to decide both inadmissibility and deportability. Aliens can be removed for reasons of health, criminal status, economic well-being, national security risks and other reasons of public concern that are specifically defined in the Act.
Immigration judges, employed by the Department of Justice, Executive Office for Immigration Review (EOIR) weigh evidence presented by both the alien and ICE, assesses the facts and renders a decision that can be appealed to the Board of Immigration Appeals.
If the immigration judge issues a decision ordering the alien removed from the United States, DRO is responsible to enforce the removal order. The process includes coordination and liaison with foreign government officials and embassies to obtain travel documents and country clearances, coordinating complex logistical and transportation issues to repatriate the alien and, if required DRO officers escort the alien to his or her foreign country.
http://www.ice.gov/pi/dro/
Next.
June 8th, 2009 at 5:19 pm
Yes Am I remember talking about this a while back. I thought we had put that to sleep. Some days its almost like we rehash things from months ago. I hate it when that happens then it ends up back on the front page somewhere as fact when its not really fact.
June 8th, 2009 at 5:33 pm
This is one of the few places that anyone can get fact or useful information.
Fantasy. Where are the rumors coming from? How old are they?
June 8th, 2009 at 5:43 pm
off to the gym and water aerobics. I’ll check in later.
June 8th, 2009 at 6:01 pm
http://www.tmz.com/category/britney-spears/
http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/08/britney-fires-back-at-lutfis-lawsuit/#comments
page up to avoid comments
June 8th, 2009 at 6:07 pm
Asking..
I put a pic of JM and Brett here but I can see it..
Was it something one could not do?
I mean, have anybody seen the pic before it was gone?
June 8th, 2009 at 6:08 pm
correction:
but I cant see it any longer
June 8th, 2009 at 6:19 pm
“Fantasy Says:
June 8th, 2009 at 12:48 pm
Okay. My links aren’t working. Still, do you
think the shirts are similar or the same?
I’ve moved on from Rosary Gate to my new thing,
Plaid Shirt Gate. You all be the deciders.”
Fantasy
I do not see Brett any longer.
She is maybe on vacations?
Britney and Jason use to look relaxed togheter always, and I have seen both pic in similar shirts (but not coulors), also when Britney have her lovely green/white top and Jason having the same blue white shirt he hade the day before (or after).
Then, if I was going to Europe, I for sure was not going without my agent, IF there uppair som good business suggestions.
June 8th, 2009 at 6:45 pm
Where is it, Ama????
June 8th, 2009 at 6:50 pm
Hey Linda. Can you confirm that July 9th is a preliminary hearing?
I talked to Public Affairs again just for clarification and the case (any case with a set preliminary hearing) could still be dismissed.
The purpose of the preliminary hearing is to determine if there is enough evidence to proceed to a trial. I think I have that part confirmed enough.
June 8th, 2009 at 6:55 pm
Here AM
http://www.breatheheavy.com/picture%20links/7164.jpg
June 8th, 2009 at 7:00 pm
It was me who have put in on wrong tread before ..
June 8th, 2009 at 7:01 pm
Thanks, Ama. I couldn’t quite get to it but that’s ok. Thanks for trying.
June 8th, 2009 at 7:05 pm
Ama. Do you think that Sam sold those “new” photos of Britney?
Someone put the link up that included the nudity as part of the video. Their version wasn’t censored where they live. A number of people were asking what the big deal was since to some people, the photos were old.
June 8th, 2009 at 7:06 pm
AM
Strange..why could you not?
Tried to write the link down yourself in an open adresslink?
I get it every time.
In every way I try to write the dress, or if I use the link
June 8th, 2009 at 7:10 pm
I brought up the possibility of a plea bargain
because I know that sometimes you can avoid having
to go to prison. Some people who’ve been accused
of worse things than what Adnan is being accused
of cop a plea and they get probation, community
service, and a fine. That to me it’s much better
that being locked in a cell for 23 hours out of
the day.
Speaking for myself, I’d much rather have a dirty
criminal record than be incarcerated until I’m
well into my 40’s. Also, if he plea bargains
another thing that could happen is that he’d have
his driver’s license suspended. Riding a bus is
not as glamorous as cruising around in a Mercedes
on Melrose but it’s cheaper.
The deportation rumors are as old as dirt but from
time to time it resurfaces. I don’t mean to
bring up topics that have already been discussed
here. For me, it’s a new thing to discuss.
Amapola, Brett is having a now you see me now you
don’t phase. It happened to Felicia. Don’t worry.
I’m sure Brett will reappear some time soon.
Does anyone other than me think it’s odd that
Britney only promoted one song from her new cd.
She did a morning tv show and a few shows in
Europe but that is all. Word of mouth is good but
I really expected her to actually do more to
sell her cd. I guess it’s not as important as
touring because that’s where an artist really
cashes in. The same can be said for her record
label and everyone around her.
Alrighty, nuff said. TTYL.
June 8th, 2009 at 7:16 pm
“Amethyst Mine Says:
June 8th, 2009 at 7:05 pm
Ama. Do you think that Sam sold those “new” photos of Britney? ”
If he have done it, he have make for sure that he not the seller..
Or maybe he get so high headed that he think that he, really was her manager and can do whatever he want?
Just the type of manger who all celebs want to have …
Anyway, she look beautiful on the pics, so it don’t hurt her.
Perhaps some hater get happy, but real people in Europe, will not get upset.
She is smashing hot. In the same time, one want to hug here.
Thats start quality.
Sexy and sweet on the same time.
June 8th, 2009 at 7:19 pm
“Fantasy
””
””’
Amapola, Brett is having a now you see me now you
don’t phase. It happened to Felicia. Don’t worry.
I’m sure Brett will reappear some time soon.”
I´m not worry. Brett is not my kind of person, so I´m not miss her at all.
One use to come back after a vacation…
June 8th, 2009 at 7:22 pm
Gotta address the nude Gimme More vid pix.
Like I said yesterday, that vid was filmed 7/2007.
If Lynne is to be believed, she stated in her book
that Lutfi came on the scene in 10/2007.
I don’t know if that’s true but that’s what she
claimed.
Besides, I just read on a fansite that the person
(I guess the photog or director) has spoken out
about releasing the pix. I’ll look for the
statement he made and fill you in. I don’t see
a point in releasing the pix now. I don’t get it.
Yeah, there’s 2 versions on the Gimme vid.
Just google B.S. GM uncensored and you’ll find it.
It really isn’t that different from what most
people have already seen.
June 8th, 2009 at 7:23 pm
Fantasy, I think she have been very strong on one agrement before this tour.
“I will have as much time as possibly with my kids, so every extra “other things”, must step down. If not, no tour..”
So I guess.
June 8th, 2009 at 7:25 pm
AM
Go in to BH site and put the same link…
Then u for sure must se it
June 8th, 2009 at 7:36 pm
Got it, Ama. I opened a different web browser and it worked. Since you don’t read BH I’ll fill you in.
JM somehow got a VIP upgrade to the Vegas show. He has a “If you seek Brett” campaign and fans try to get pictures with Brett etc. for the website. Jordan got a picture of himself with Brett in Vegas.
Fantasy. I hadn’t realized Jason was standing in for Brett. Makes sense. It’s not exactly what you said but that’s what occurred to me with talk of Brett on vacation.
Fe only seems to be there on sets. She’s probably a calming presence since she was on tours with Britney before.
Last. Deportation is not a huge deal: talk of it is driven by haters. Maybe you hadn’t noticed.
June 8th, 2009 at 7:37 pm
New York Post
http://www.nypost.com/seven/06082009/news/nationalnews/brits_booby_snaps_173115.htm
June 8th, 2009 at 7:41 pm
Fantasy. Lynne is NOT to be believed as to when Sam came into Britney’s life. Maybe she is misinformed. I still don’t know why Oct 2007 is significant in any way when it comes to Lutfi.
Anyway, if you check the archives or research things on your own, there are dozens of images of Sam and Britney together from early spring 2007 forward. Off hand, I can’t remember how far back we went but October 2007 is bullshit.
June 8th, 2009 at 7:55 pm
AM-
I too believe that Sam was present in Brit’s life before 10/2007 but the reason why the date is significant to Lynne and others is because Brit lost physical custody of the boys 10/1/2007 for many reasons one of which was driving the boys without a valid driver’s license.
I distinctly remember Sam being quoted in US Weekly stating that it was all a misunderstanding and that Brit would soon regain custody of her children. The next thing I saw was Brit going to the DMV I believe with Sam to get the license. It appears that Sam came around in October because it was around that time that he became a more visible and vocal presence in her life. He was sort of her de facto spokesman.
June 8th, 2009 at 7:56 pm
I’m not saying I don’t beieve you, Amethyst.
But I’ll check around just because.
That reminds me. I was reading Alli’s Twitter’s
and she was responding to yoyo brit.
Alli replied and I assumed that she was talking
about when Sam and Britney started hanging out.
I can’t be sure. I’ll check that out too.
Don’t forget to watch The Bachelorette.
And don’t forget to cheer on my favorite guys
Ed and Wes!! TTYL.
June 8th, 2009 at 8:03 pm
Here Fantasy. http://www.britneyres.com/displayimage.php?album=2414&pos=4
The pics from this evening always startle me.
June 2007
June 8th, 2009 at 8:05 pm
QB. Thanks. I don’t have the documents in front of me but didn’t Sam also stick with the story about October? As when he became her manager?
June 8th, 2009 at 8:08 pm
http://x17video.com/celebrity_video/britney_spears/britney_sports_her_new_look_at.php
Fantasy. The same evening.
I found pics from earlier. They are posted around here somewhere. I got determined to find out how early he was in her life after Promises. I am thinking April.
I also had some pics from June 20, 2007 but none of the links want to work today.
June 8th, 2009 at 8:11 pm
p.s. Steel also got on a bit of a kick as to early photos and/or ties. I didn’t find everything by myself but I kept a doc and entered things I found on my own in colored fonts. That’s because I was mixing information from different sources and wanted to be sure in info I could trust 100%, i.e., had verified.
June 8th, 2009 at 8:28 pm
Dang. I remember those pix now.
Can’t believe I’d forgotten about them.
Isn’t Joseph’s where she met Kev? Think so.
Aw, no. Neither Ed nor Wes get a 1 on 1 w/ Jill.
June 8th, 2009 at 9:37 pm
I just found out that Brit was at the Beyonce concert in London tonight. It is good to know that she is having fun while on tour. I wonder if she brought Jason. It must be nice to be able sit back and relax and let someone else do the performing for a change.
Going back to Sam Lutfi, from 10/07 to 1/08, Brit and Sam were inseparable. They were always together and I think he moved into her home. He was selling stories to X-17 and talking to Ryan Seacrest. I remember when he called Barabara Walters and told her that Brit had mental problems and was seeking help something if true should have been kept private.
June 8th, 2009 at 9:54 pm
Actually he is a great guy and we go back a few years
http://leatherrockbands.blogspot.com/2009/06/kathy-griffith-and-adnan-ghalib-were.html
June 8th, 2009 at 10:41 pm
Fantasy. This “eastern feed” is great. I don’t know who is who on that show but it is fun.
QB. Sam calling Seacrest and Walters was some of the weirdest shyt he had done.
Anyone notice how little if any we see of US Weekly these days?
Following Britney’s dogs was interesting. It led me right back to US in very early days, e.g., pre-divorce and now nothing?
I still have my little thoughts as to media generating and making money. It began with the dogs. Maybe.
June 8th, 2009 at 10:42 pm
http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b122015_britney_bunch_in_court_lutfi_lawsuit.html
June 9th, 2009 at 1:42 am
When did Sam appear in Britney’s life? If X17 is to be believed, they mentioned a few times that he had been in her life since May 2007, but never wanted to be photographed with her. I have read so much stuff about Britney, but I do think it was X17 that kept mentioning a “source close to Britney” and then finally revealing it was Sam.
Was Oct 2007 the same month Lynne and Jamie Spears met with Kevin and Kaplan at Kevin’s home? I think it could be. I have so many dates in my head that I can’t keep them straight.
June 9th, 2009 at 1:48 am
“elder abuse”
June 9th, 2009 at 11:31 am
What is this??? http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7015437732
June 9, 2009
‘Meanwhile, Britney’s paparazzo ex-boyfriend, Adnan Ghalib, also appeared in a separate hearing on Monday. He did not contest his stay-away order from the “Circus” performer, unlike Lutfi, who filed an appeal against a judge’s extension of his restraining order last week.’
Misinformation?
June 9th, 2009 at 11:49 am
I should have paged down last night on the E! article posted by MH.
As I have a copy of the transcript from May 4 in my hands, I can tell you that E! did not quite accurately quote Korn.
What was your reaction to what you read about Adnan and E!’s version of things?
There is E! the strawberry and then there is the blogger Ted Casablanca, at E! IMO.
June 9th, 2009 at 12:19 pm
AHN is nobody. According to a lawsuit by the AP in January 2008, they have no reporters.
‘Because AHN has no reporters and fewer employees, who are poorly paid, the lawsuit said, “defendants are able to offer their ‘news service’ to customers and potential customers at a price that is far lower than the AP can offer for its services.”
The Associated Press
January 15, 2008
Associated Press sues AHN Media Corp., claims improper use of AP news stories
By AMY WESTFELDT, Associated Press Writer
(courtesy of Lexis Nexis – the AP won the suit in Feb 2009)
June 9th, 2009 at 12:24 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
June 8th, 2009 at 8:05 pm
QB. Thanks. I don’t have the documents in front of me but didn’t Sam also stick with the story about October? As when he became her manager?
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Just skimming and noticed this…
I would think both Lutfi AND Brit’s family would be concerned with this date because it would help determine exactly how much Brit owes him in “management fees,” according to their “contract.”
I assumed Ma included this date in her book to embed in the public’s minds that the magic date didn’t occur prior to October. But who knows.
June 9th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
Ho hum just here by myself.
Media trend: the continued pairing of Adnan and Sam when they have nothing to do with each other.
Didn’t anyone wonder why the TROs were heard separately? Not a single media opportunity was lost to trash Adnan by ad nauseum repetition of Ghalib not appearing (he didn’t have to and according to Korn, they planned not to appear)and meanwhile facing felony charges.
Just talking out aloud.
June 9th, 2009 at 12:31 pm
Also…
In terms of management, Jeff K. of The Firm was her manager following Larry’s dismissal. It didn’t last very long, and he was out by mid-Sept. of 2007 following the ill-fated MTV performance.
http://www.tmz.com/2007/09/17/britneys-manager-says-gimme-less/
I’m thinking Lutfi saw an opportunity following this and pounced in October 2007. And I’m also thinking the C-Ship started to be planned around this time because, honestly, if you were her family, how happy would you be with THAT situation as it unfolded?
June 9th, 2009 at 1:00 pm
I see you haven’t lost your edge, Steel.
So very smart.
June 9th, 2009 at 1:41 pm
‘From October 2007 to February 2008′ is what he claimed in his suit.
Steel. Do you ever stare at telephone numbers in your line of work?
June 9th, 2009 at 1:42 pm
That telephone number comment has nothing to do with Lutfi.
June 9th, 2009 at 1:43 pm
Steel I believe the plan was hatched in October also.
I used to lurk at another board and someone there, who knew Alli Simms, always implied that a plan was in the works. I’m assuming Alli knew of the plan. And yes I believed the person because they would mention things that were going to happen…
June 9th, 2009 at 1:44 pm
I think I said too much.
June 9th, 2009 at 1:44 pm
Go Lakers
June 9th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
I really wish we had a button to go back and edit our posts.
June 9th, 2009 at 1:58 pm
Later guys
June 9th, 2009 at 2:48 pm
No one has to answer this, but confusion has
caused me to wonder whose plan was it to commit
Britney and ultimately place her under a c-ship?
Lutfi or the Spears’s?
Both sides have pointed their finger in the
other’s direction. Did Britney ever hear about,
know of or sense that something was in the works?
If so, she may have been the last to know. But it
was all over TMZ that her parent’s were working on
a way to get help for Britney whether she wanted
it or not.
What role did Kev and MVK play in this?
I really don’t see the conservator’s having any
intention of having the arrangement terminated.
There are days when I think that she’ll be under
this c-ship until her son’s are both adults.
Meanwhile, Britney will kept busy by touring.
Maybe it’s a way to keep her mind off of her
being in a conservatorship. If she doesn’t have
much free time to think about what and maybe who
orchestrated this whole thing then perhaps she
won’t be such a problem to deal with.
6 new shows have just been confirmed for Britney
to perform in Australia this November.
It’s just a matter of time before those rumored
August shows in Europe will also be confirmed.
As well as another leg of touring for the US.
Hopefully, behind the scenes she’s doing good
and won’t burn out from being on the road for so
long. I wish her well with everything.
June 9th, 2009 at 3:27 pm
I think that Brit’s parents orchestrated the conservatorship. I too read the reports on TMZ regarding her family trying to stage some kind of intervention. I guess the plan may have been that either she could voluntary get some help or they would force her to get help via the conservatorship.
I believe that Lynne and Jamie probably let Kevin know what was about to happen because whatever happens to Brit will naturally affect her children. Because Kevin was nice enough to allow Brit’s parents to see the boys when Brit would not, they probably felt they owed it to him to keep him in the loop.
I do not think Lutfi had plans to get a conservatorship because he already gained control over her life through non-legal means. Everything the consevators do on behalf of Brit must go through the courts and do not believe that Lutfi would want that kind of scrutiny and is unlikely he would have been named conservator given the three past restraining orders against him.
I definitely believe that the tour serves as a distraction for Brit. The conservatorship does not seem as confining when you’re traveling and visting different countries but reality will set in once the tour is over and she is forced to deal with how her life really is in LA.
June 9th, 2009 at 3:37 pm
Fantasy Says:
June 9th, 2009 at 2:48 pm
No one has to answer this, but confusion has
caused me to wonder whose plan was it to commit
Britney and ultimately place her under a c-ship?
Lutfi or the Spears’s?
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C’mon now…Has there ever been a shadow of a doubt who was behind the C-Ship?!
1/ Ma comes right out in “Through the Storm” and admits it was in the works for several weeks before it happened.
2/ Eardley’s January 18, 2008 letter (is that the correct date?) predicts the C-Ship is coming before it actually happened. This tells me that Lutfi had already informed him about it. And how would Lutfi know about it? From Brit herself.
3/ I’ve always maintained Brit was committed the second time because she was up for three days straight, running on Red Bulls, trying to stay awake so they couldn’t “come to get her” while she was sleeping. That’s just a guess of mine, but there are lots of photos at various sites that show her up for 3 days, and carrying around cases of Red Bull. She just happened to make the mistake of driving during that time period, and her doctor wisely called in the 5150 for her own safety.
Even if you go back a year, pre-Rehab, to January 2007, the Internet rumour mill was printing stories of Brit being threatened with a mental hospital if she refused to go to rehab. If you ask me, her parents sounded like they’d been threatening her for a long time that if she didn’t get help there would be consequences.
From what I can see, Lutfi didn’t create this situation whatsoever – it was in the works long, long before he came along. He just happened to be opportunistic, and enough of a weasel, to be able to take advantage of it to the extent that he did.
All just my opinion, of course. No fact there whatsoever.
June 9th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
Okay, there’s a bit of fact in my last post…
Photographic proof is out there, along with court documents. And, a Google search of Brit stories from 2007 (and prior) will show that these issues were being discussed well before Lutfi came into the picture.
It’s actually kind of shocking to see how little has changed over the past couple of years. For instance, here’s a random post from October 2007 from another blog:
Posted by: Anonymous
October 31, 2007 2:33 PM
Britney’s record label has had enough with the frequent and habitual drug user.
Jive can’t get the troubled pop star to cooperate with them, so they’ve stopped trying.
Spears is doing absolutely no promotion for her new album. There are no plans for a tour. No plans to do any media. No plans for anything!
“They can’t get Britney to do anything!” a source close to the label and Spears tells the NY Daily News. “They did get her to do one photo-shoot for some promotional materials, but beyond that, they can’t trust her to even show up. This album could’ve been so much bigger with Britney involved. This is the one opportunity they have to try and sell a million records. They were forced to [go on with] their marketing plan — without her. They don’t feel they need her if she’s going to keep blowing them off. She’s already on the cover of every gossip magazine, and she’s on Perez Hilton nearly all day, every day for her antics. Jive is just hoping to continue riding the Britney wave. The label can’t afford to waste their money hoping to get some of her time to help promote this. She’s too busy [hanging out] in a club somewhere.”
http://x17online.com/celebrities/britney_spears/britney_on_ryan_seacrest-10312007.php#comment-1665084
Now if you think about it…How is this any different that what’s been going on with “Circus”? She’s showing up to things now because her security is escorting her there. Great. But when was the last time we heard Britney speak? How has she been promoting this album? Other than a few random words spoken on stage (mostly during the promotional tour), what have we heard come out of her mouth? How do we know she’s better? We KNOW there are no drugs or alcohol involved this time around…So if that’s the case…??
Something isn’t making sense here…
June 9th, 2009 at 3:51 pm
What if Lutfi worked for Kaplan and company all along?
What was the worse thing that could have happened as to Britney and “undue influence?”
Sam Lutfi.
How to get rid of Adnan? Sam Lutfi.
When do the tabloids make the most money? When Britney is low.
Lutfi and his phantom white horse. He introduced himself to Brit’s assistant by saying he worked for Kaplan.
Lynne Spears is not telling us all.
June 9th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
June 9th, 2009 at 3:51 pm
Lynne Spears is not telling us all.
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You think?
June 9th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
LOL
Didn’t ya miss me?!
June 9th, 2009 at 4:07 pm
Gawd, Steel. Of course I missed you. I started to think you weren’t posted out of some connection to me, i.e., open praise.
If you were a swearing girl I’d put this all as …f yes but as this site is PG I’ll say, Hellz yes!
June 9th, 2009 at 4:11 pm
Tell you Steel_
I found before, and told on one of the treads, that I found , as early as 2003, that pap Spears “get in the roof” because Brtiney was talking about writing a “tell book”.
And I think she have felt the treat since then.
What I find strange, was that she, 2003, felt the a need to write that book.
Could she felt that pap was comming to take over her estate already then?
Because he have get sober, he start feeling like he have to be something else then an ex. alcoholic?
He was “newborn” in every way?
Felt the need to be FATHER and The Head of the family?
Something tell me that he even as sober not are an shy blossom.
Poor Britney are destroyd from his former way of screaming and so on.
Britney is broken. And I belive his to blame.
He have make her nerves shaking. At least that is what I think have happend.
I had a man like that around me as child.
On must get as tough as them, if not one goes under.
Old time patriarchs, who think they have the right to do whatsover with their familys.
I also remember that Simon Cowell, the judge from Idol, who like Britney, told that he (to his suprise) find that Britney was very shy and almost a little bit scared of him=Simon. He had to joke a little with her to take away her “respect” for him.
June 9th, 2009 at 4:51 pm
Ama. Given all of that, were you like me and feeling more comfortable that he was good at heart, in the beginning?
Maybe I didn’t feel that way. No I didn’t because Lutfi was barking to the tabloids about Jamie’s bad intentions and relationship with Britney. I didn’t know anything about anyone at the time.
Then I tried to think well of Jamie but that disintegrated over time.
Ama. English may not be your first language but some days your words are simply poignant and enduring.
June 9th, 2009 at 5:14 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
June 9th, 2009 at 4:07 pm
Gawd, Steel. Of course I missed you. I started to think you weren’t posted out of some connection to me, i.e., open praise.
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Hellz no!
I just had a really pressing deadline, and also got myself thoroughly involved in a missing child case that more or less captivated the entire country for about a month. (The case ended in a very sad and gruesome way – two people have been arrested for kidnapping, murder and various other hideous things. And the police don’t know if they’ll ever find the girl’s body. I couldn’t believe I was watching the case unfold right before my eyes!)
I didn’t realize until that point that Web sleuthing is a pretty common hobby – there are entire Web sites dedicated purely to sleuthing crimes like missing person’s cases. Who knew.
June 9th, 2009 at 5:19 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
June 9th, 2009 at 4:51 pm
Ama. Given all of that, were you like me and feeling more comfortable that he was good at heart, in the beginning?
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I thought he was good at heart in the beginning…I didn’t start to waver until they announced the Circus tour.
It was always Ma that I mistrusted. So I was really disappointed to find out that Pa might not be any better than she was when it came to looking after Brit’s long term best interests.
June 9th, 2009 at 5:19 pm
I kept uptodate through links you posted. Pretty horrific.
I know it was probably a freaky time but I was really proud of you — I could picture precision, logic, analysis, and caring.
Did you finish your documentary? On to another project? Do you think you can do anything with the media up there to help our friend?
June 9th, 2009 at 5:20 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
June 9th, 2009 at 4:51 pm
Ama. English may not be your first language but some days your words are simply poignant and enduring.
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I agree!
June 9th, 2009 at 5:25 pm
Not finished the doc yet, but I can finally see the light at the end of the tunnel. (Huge sigh of relief…!!)
People always ask me what my next project might be and I tell them that I’m really interested in the Britney Spears C-Ship. They always look at me funny, but considering how serious the topic of my current doc is, I think they must know there’s *something* to it.
I’ve always wondered why Frank isn’t doing something about A’s situation…?? Have there been any further screenings of his other doc?
June 9th, 2009 at 5:38 pm
Thank you AM and Steel_
You shall know that my head need resting now
, because I did not had any grammer to use, and I was “on my toes” to make the comment spelled as right as possibly.
As you, I thougt from the beginning that Jamie was the heart in the family, and when one thought of Sam Lutfi, Kaplan, Federline, JM and x site, well, a guess we all hoped that it was the best for Britney.
Adnan just did the right thing, belived a mother is the best for her daughter, but look what she did against him. Or NOT done for him.
She was honnest in her statments, but she NEVER stand up and defend Adnan.
Why Lynne? Would it be nice to look in the mirror and feel that you have done a respectabel thing?
June 9th, 2009 at 5:46 pm
Steel. I’ve been wondering the same about Frank. Doesn’t he have any friends in high places?
I am thrilled about your project and the next one. I understand funny looks.
MT is right that we should collaborate and I don’t mean on your documentary but rather sharing information. I am learning the court system for example. I could tell you three things I have asked for that will be cheaper for you than for me since no one had asked for them before.
You pay a copy rate. I paid an originals rate. Or heck I could just share them with you … and wasn’t I planning to scan some things and find a place on the Internet to share them?
Also, weren’t friends and colleagues shocked by the author of Shooting Britney? I mean he had been to Beirut or such.
June 9th, 2009 at 6:04 pm
Oh c’mon, Ama. Admit it. If your own language you are recognized writer by friends, colleagues. Your words reek of art. Sometimes it’s just your culture coming through but it’s always with an Ama-stamp. Individual and strong. You have a voice.
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Small. You were funny with your little digression. Go Lakers!
June 9th, 2009 at 6:18 pm
Steel. Once critics realize your passion they won’t wrinkle their eyebrows so quick. That is in some ways happening here but otherwise it remains puzzling to some people. (people do enjoy their comfort zones)
June 9th, 2009 at 6:49 pm
@57 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTEK-kpWvNI&feature=related
Wonder who she is looking at with that brief look of irritation and annoyance.
I wonder that Britney has every smile and facial gesture memorized. It’s an interesting few split seconds. Want to guess who she is looking at or who is looking at her? Adam?
June 9th, 2009 at 7:10 pm
Steel. I don’t know if you are working on your old case but I think Yoyo is a good candidate.
I think she was Love__Dear at BH but has switched to sam998899 which isn’t her twitter account (that she posted) but that is her artwork at 10:15 a.m. I think:
http://www.breatheheavy.com/exhale/viewthread.php?tid=159691
June 9th, 2009 at 7:11 pm
p.s. I noticed Love Dear for her aberrant rantings on BH and the sudden appearance of more than one account with the name of Love in it.
They do so like to travel together.
June 9th, 2009 at 9:04 pm
btw, as you were scanning the threads, I didn’t track yoyo down. We were looking at Twitters of Sam and Alli and there she was.
June 9th, 2009 at 9:14 pm
People magazine’s source says that Britney and
Jason are dating. That’s the latest on those two.
Good luck to them. TTYL.
June 9th, 2009 at 9:25 pm
Fantasy? I’m going call b.s. If they were dating maybe her publicist would say so? Spears rep had no comment? Are you kidding?
And why include Adnan? Why not Chase or others she supposedly dated since 2008.
June 9th, 2009 at 9:33 pm
And Jamie Lynn has been drinking underage.
not
June 9th, 2009 at 9:43 pm
You know what Amethyst, I do agree with you to
an extent. If this is as true as People’s source
claims it to be then maybe her people are taking
the “I don’t comment on my client’s personal life”
stance on the subject.
I looked back at pics of her and Trawick at the
park and leaving the club in London and I swear
to you I don’t see nothing romantic whatsoever
between them. Maybe they save their displays of
affection for when they’re indoors? Okay, how
dumb do I sound?
I’m just trying to be positive about it.
If she’s moved on, for whatever reason and it’s w/
Trawick, then that’s her decision. I hope it’s
her decision. (Don’t get me started with that.)
Her father reportedly approves of him.
Surprise, surprise. She’s walking the line now.
Not putting a foot wrong. The public will welcome
this man like they haven’t welcomed anyone she’s
been with since Timberlake. Just watch and see.
This is a prince for the pop princess.
This will really make everything look good 4 her.
I don’t wanna speculate right now about the
legitimacy of their relationship. I’m just
passing along what’s out there about them.
Nothing more. Nothing less.
June 9th, 2009 at 10:03 pm
Fantasy. Prince and princess? I don’t think so based on comments at BH and just the look of it. Trawick lacks charisma. Plus he has a paunch.
lol. I hate to be that shallow but come on. Some exhalers seem to think he is nice and they want her to be happy, so long as it is someone they find acceptable. ikr?
Trawick is another one who wouldn’t be where he is today without Britney. So he helped her out once. Fine. Now he takes a cut and profit from deals her dad makes.
wow. Prince charming indeed. I hope he is there for better purposes like friendship.
I won’t believe they are together until we either see it or hear it from her publicist.
An inside source is what led to a lawsuit between Britney and US Weekly. It was an interesting case. After a concert one person said to another and then voila, it was news. Lydia Tyler, MTV was it audience analysis? And her sister? Susan? Self, and another person. News was born about a sex tape with Kevin Federline.
Trawick and other stuff is fun to talk about but what about Adnan? tick tick
Steel. What do you think about the theory that Lutfi is still working for Kaplan or worked for him throughout 2007? I think Eardley was a pond. Meanwhile Sam goes to the media as a family c-ship is going down and claims, “Yes. You’re right. She needs help. She’s hearing voices.”
If Addy ever had anything to do with Sam it was because Sam had something like a Nokia phone… Sam is master disguise. How to break the two apart in media?
June 9th, 2009 at 10:23 pm
I’m just thinking that when tomorrow comes and
all of the Britney fansites and other sites copy
the story of them dating Trawick will be seen by
many as a better and more suitable choice as a
bf than the other men were. Don’t be surprised to
read headlines in the near future that uses that
whole prince/ pop princess line.
To me, it was clear throughout B’s entire
relationship w/ Kev that the media/rags didn’t
approve of him. Now she’s with someone older,
stable, mature, etc. This is the type of guy her
family, the media, and fans want to see her with.
It’s kinda a sucky thing on one hand.
Because here we got a man who’s freedom is on the
line because he tried to help her and pissed off
Papa Spears who brought a restr. order against
him. And here she is with some other man.
I know B can’t really choose who she’s with these
days but part of me is asking, where’s the
loyalty? But what can I do about it? Nothing.
I mean, seriously, how do we know that Adnan
hasn’t done the same? Who is he spending his
time with? Do you think he’s still single and
hoping that Britney will wait for him?
It’s kinda unrealistic. Don’t cha think?
June 9th, 2009 at 11:50 pm
Not to raise any issues but .. and Ama, I am thinking of you as I write this as you have brought the issue up before, … I talked to a friend of mine tonight who happens to be black.
He’s not into the whole Britney thing. We were catching up. When I mentioned a trial he had a concern. The name Adnan is not of Caucasian ethnicity.
We know this of course but for a black man to voice it makes it a little more real.
June 9th, 2009 at 11:56 pm
Fantasy. I am not going to worry about that fan crap. That level of speculation is fun as a brief diversion or analysis of photos or media spins but that’s it. I’m not interested. Maybe others are.
Trawick is not worth the tea leaves in the bottom of a cup: they aren’t worth reading.
June 9th, 2009 at 11:57 pm
Correction: the tea leaves aren’t worth reading.
(in some countries, people read tea leaves or coffee dregs to forecast the future or to read the present)
June 9th, 2009 at 11:58 pm
If the story is true that Brit is indeed dating Jason it is likely because he is one of the few men her father approves of. It’s not like she can go out and date whoever she wants.
I do not believe the media will call this story “prince dating pop princess” because while Jason is in the entertainment industry he is not a big star like Justin Timberlake. One of the reasons why people disliked Kevin was because many thought he wasn’t on Brit’s level in addition to the fact that he dumped his pregnant girlfriend so he could run off and marry Brit.
I really don’t see Brit’s relationship with Jason lasting past the conservatorship. I really do not think it is appropriate for an agent to date their client, because it complicates the professional relationship.
June 10th, 2009 at 12:09 am
Fantasy. One last thing. You might remember the neighborhood you alighted into.
I for one don’t appreciate your suggestions at 10:23 p.m.
This is Adnan’s board.
June 10th, 2009 at 12:48 am
Fantasy, I appreciate Reality. If you don’t, you’re in the wrong place. Pretty sure the A-Team isn’t sitting around pouting, kicking rocks, or throwing that grey hat in the corner.
Even tea leaves are dumped out from time-to-time, recycled, refreshed, renewed!!! Just like apparel and accessories. They too should be recycled, refreshed, renewed…DONATED TO GOODWILL.
The Queen B may indeed embrace a new, dedicated, player to be in her corner, to be attentive, and wear a DIFFERENT “hat”
Ha@
get it..
different…
Hat….
ahhh… i kill me.
2009. get in case we forgot what YEAR we are in.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:21 am
Oh, Amethyst. My goodness.
I guess you took offense to my statement.
As much of a dreamer I can be I also am
a realist. Reality can suck sometimes. Can’t it?
Trawick may be a temp. Time will tell. I don’t
see any reason why both A & B shouldn’t move on
for the time being. Life goes on, Amethyst.
If A & B are meant to be together I think that’s
what we’ll eventually see. I support Adnan’s
right to be free and happy. Ditto for Britney.
But them being together now just isn’t gonna
happen. I’m accepting that.
I don’t see Trawick as a prince but others might.
It’s just a play on the pop princess title.
The mags always come up w/ attention grabbing
titles for their stories. I made that one up.
About race. All I can say is I hope that a jury
of his peers will consist of people from diverse
backgrounds. And who are between the age of 22-40.
A few jurors with the same cultural background
as Adnan wouldn’t hurt either. imo. It doesn’t
mean they’ll side w/ the defense automtically but
I think they’d be a bit more understanding. TTYL.
June 10th, 2009 at 2:06 am
Welcome Back Steel
Lakers lost
June 10th, 2009 at 2:10 am
So Jason is the “chosen one”? I find it a bit weird if it’s true. I mean, she can’t choose who she spends time with, her father does. Sounds kind if sick.
Ama, I’m surprised you thought Jamie was the “heart” of the Spears family. I know you don’t think that anymore.
Let’s see what tomorrow brings.
AM, I hope Adnan is treated fairly in the legal system. “jury of your peers”…
June 10th, 2009 at 8:20 am
“small hands Says:
June 10th, 2009 at 2:10 am
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Ama, I’m surprised you thought Jamie was the “heart” of the Spears family. I know you don’t think that anymore.
Let’s see what tomorrow brings.
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small
One must have the courage and the will to change ones mind if one had jump in wrong barrel….
Even if a father have temeper, have had very serious problems before, one always HOPE that a fathers heart will be open for the best for his child.
Sometimes, unfortunately often, the personal reputation, power and GREED sadly take over.
In this “case” it seams to be so again.
And if the society, the “common man on the street” still believes a father have the right to do what Jamie have done, we will see this happen again and again.
Look at Lynne.
Look at her eyes. There you have a women who no longer are a happy person.
Something have forever (?) “died” in her. She is as broken as Britney.
Lynne is in a way under c-ship to. Must say and do what the master himself want.
The whole family (except Jamie) are under c-chip in a way.
In what level they are in that situation freely, or not, of greed or not, I don’t know. 50/50 ?
What would they bee without Britney, daughter and big sister?
(I do not think little sister have any bad intentions in any way)
I do see that Jamie have played his cards well.
But in the end, he will be used too. I do believe so.
This guys in the “industry”, together with the lawyer, will play on him as they will. He just not understand it.
MG his Jamie Spears! That could not happend to him. It would only happend to “sissys” and fools.
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AM
I dont understand what you mean but the Caucasian comment? (I think its a language matter this time.)
A grow up, learning that a person’s name was not as important as their personality and way to bee.
June 10th, 2009 at 9:18 am
THIS IN NOT A COMMENT ON ANYTHING ON THIS TREAD
I just felt to be happy for a while.
Hope you like it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWtv3XVi3OM
Louis Armstrong and Danny Kaye Singing
June 10th, 2009 at 12:31 pm
Brava, Doc @12:48
You killed it.
June 10th, 2009 at 12:48 pm
Ama. Caucasian is white.
A name shouldn’t matter but it is a flag to some people. Sometimes names are used humorously but make a point such as a comedienne friend of mine.
He did a bit on Hurrican Katrina, Ivan, etc. and how he really felt for people in the south. I can’t remember how the punch line went but it was something about Hurricane Sh-neeeq-qua. It went over very well with the mixed audience because it was true.
I have two other friends who are also black. One is a woman in her seventies. Her parents were communists and civil rights activists in Los Angeles.
The other is a black man in his thirties in Chicago. Both have made note of some parents in the current generation giving children African-based names and the potential flags this sends to racists later on in the employment process off of a resume.
I’d like to think that most recruiters, human resource specialists and their employers are free of racism and only look at the skills. I would like to think that all recruiters are like this but it simply isn’t true.
One industry that fascinated me was the computer geek world. They don’t care what a person looks like, i.e., tattoos, lip piercing, black boots etc. If they can write elegant concise code no one cares.
As for a jury for Adnan, I would hope for men. They aren’t a big part of the demographics reading tabloids.
Anyway, Korn will know. He’s been in L.A. for many years and argued both prosecution and defense.
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Doc. I am still reeling over your post. Fantasy. You wrote back to me but it was Doc who addressed you on Reality.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:06 pm
Correction for Ama: I don’t know how to spell Chiniqua and there are probably various spellings anyway, but it isn’t a Caucasian name like Jane, Mary, John, Sue. My friend in Chicago is named Vincent.
For that matter, you could talk about foreign names like Mohammad, Anwar, Shrini. Even my own name is ethnic. Some people think I am going to be Mexican while others think Italian. What difference does it make.
Another friend of mine who is 50 looked me square in the eye and said, ‘It doesn’t matter how much you try, you will never know what it is be black.’
My first reaction was that he was distancing himself or that I was faulty somehow in not being able to understand, but then I realized that he was telling me the truth.
Anyway, why not hope for a few black jurors while we’re at it. Maybe Doc will correct me, but I think of anyone in our society, they would be closest to understanding what it is to be a paparazzi or to be a member of society but someone always remembering something about you that’s different. One pap told me he has been called the N word (by security?) and he is Caucasian. I don’t think I am that far out in left field in my thinking about who would be the most fair as jurors.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
And it don’t stop.
http://perezhilton.com/2009-06-10-britneys-back-bitches-touring-north-america-again
June 10th, 2009 at 1:55 pm
Adnan has been ordered to pay $11,500 to the
c-ship of Britney to cover legal fees and costs
it incurred to obtain a restraining order against
him. It’s a lot less than what they originally
wanted. But it’s still a lot of money. imo
June 10th, 2009 at 1:57 pm
It’s on Radar. Sorry, guys. I didn’t feel like
posting the link.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:59 pm
Pay it in unrolled pennies.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:59 pm
Oh, btw, the judgment came on Monday 6/8.
Ain’t it funny how the Britney-Jason romance was
revealed yesterday and we’re just now learning
of this? Lutfi and Eardley’s fees and cost will
be determined later.
June 10th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
MH, I’d totally love that! lol
June 10th, 2009 at 3:17 pm
Is anybody here interested in watching this?
This is video of B, Trawick, SP&JJ, Lulu, and
2 bodyguard at Hyde Park in London.
http://britneyspearsblackout.com
I didn’t want to side w/ Amethyst 100% and call
bs on the People mag dating story. But after
watching this vid I swear to you I don’t see any
romantic behavior, glances, gazes, smiles, not
one darn thing. Could it be that they’ve only been
together officially for a couple of weeks or they
just don’t do the normal gf/bf thing in front of
the kids or they feel uncomfortable around the
bodyguards? Gosh, I making up every excuse I can
think of. They’re kinda like Kevin and Victoria.
You know what I mean? Odd isn’t it.
Britney looks bored and totally not into Jason. It’s the kids who she pays the most
attention to. She even looks bored doing that.
Sorry if I sound mean. But these 2 so far don’t
scream, “OMG we’re dating and happy!”
Anyway, there’s the vid. Check it out if u want.
June 10th, 2009 at 3:30 pm
Another thing about that vid.
I think someone here, was it QB or Amapola, called
attention to the fact that Britney doesn’t seem to
be as attentive to SP as she is to JJ.
I wonder why that is. SP is Lulu’s and JJ is only
for Britney to tend to. I’ve heard others say
this but it was based on only pictures.
But video is a different thing to me.
Idk. I’m reading too much into stuff again.
Wait a minute. No, I don’t think so.
I think I’m right about this.
The vid is above so you all decide for yourselves.
June 10th, 2009 at 4:08 pm
Here’s the final point on prejudice and I made it some time ago. When it comes to the paparazzi whose word is believed first?
In a jury trial who will be believed first? Ram Moskowitz, a process server who was out with a former LA police officer or Adnan Ghalib, whom they will clearly paint as a stalker (declaration of Jamie Spears — his declaration reads the way it does for a reason)and a paparazzi?
I hope the jurors are made aware of prejudice in this case and the reality of good v. bad paps. Surely there will be character witnesses as well.
Fantasy. I hope you are not ignoring Doc given that you were asking about her some time ago.
June 10th, 2009 at 4:29 pm
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/feature.html?ie=UTF8&docId=1000308193
June 10th, 2009 at 4:31 pm
What about the video that was said to be shot at the scene? Didn’t hear anything about that in court.
June 10th, 2009 at 4:31 pm
Thanks for the link, Fantasy. She doesn’t look happy.
About favoritism (we briefly discussed it) it is a topic associated with haters and people who try to generate hatred and harm. Hasn’t that been your experience? Maybe you have us confused with TMZ?
I see it as just as moot and senseless to talk about as deportation, dancers and deportation.
Since our board is a vocal one I am sure if anyone disagrees they will say so.
June 10th, 2009 at 4:40 pm
This cracks me up, ‘Britney’s new agent boyfriend confirms relationship.’ This is so 2007, 2008 but anyway of course Trawick never confirms anything in the Chicago Suns Times version of the castle’s latest spin.
June 10th, 2009 at 4:46 pm
I’m not ignoring Doc. I didn’t know that if I
responded she would respond back or when.
I was typing my comment when she posted hers so I
didn’t see what she said until I finished writing.
Doc, glad you took some time to holler at us.
Hope to hear from you again really soon.
Amethyst, all Korn has to do is create reasonable
doubt in the mind of one juror and the game is
over. Team Adnan wins. I don’t mean to make it
sound so easy but that’s really all it takes.
Unanimous verdicts can be hard to get.
I don’t think the defense has got this thing
in the bag. I mean, the trial hasn’t started yet.
Let’s wait for info when it does begin.
Maybe whoever covers the case in print
will be fair and not add their own spin.
I’m still hopeful.
June 10th, 2009 at 4:51 pm
Hey. Anyone with stealth. Do you know who the videographer from TMZ was from the hearing on May 4, 2009?
Also, do you call such a person a journalist, videographer or pap? My understanding is that they all have press passes.
Also, anyone know who the TMZ people were who claimed (created a situation?) Adnan zigged in and out of traffic and called him a douchebag?
Any lurkers with intel? Thanks.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:27 pm
I don’t know the answer to your 1st question.
I do remember watching TMZ last year when they
talked about Adnan cutting off one of their
staff members who took a pic of Adnan once he
recognized who he was. It was a guy. I want to
say the name Mike Walters. He’s the assistant
manager there. I’ve seen him a time or two on
Jane Velez-Mitchell’s evening program talking
about Octo-Mom.
If you go back throughout TMZ’s history/archives
of stories where Adnan’s name is written, the
majority of the time the word d-bag will follow.
Even early last year before Britney’s second trip
to the hospital they called him that repeatedly
on the tv show.
I looked it up too. There’s no vid, just a pic.
Google tmz adnan cutting off a driver and you
can find that and many more stories there.
None very favorable of him, might I add.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:30 pm
It’s titled: Adnan Driving While D-Bag
Dated- April 2, 2008
Hope that helps some.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:38 pm
“Fantasy Says:
June 10th, 2009 at 3:30 pm
Another thing about that vid.
I think someone here, was it QB or Amapola, called
attention to the fact that Britney doesn’t seem to
be as attentive to SP as she is to JJ.
..
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What’s with you?
Are you here to make people “dizzy”?
I have most certainly NOT said that about Britney and anyone of her kids. I have alway “felt” that Britney are a most loving mother.
Also, your constant talk about deportation have made me “mad”.
Why did you talk such rubbish?
June 10th, 2009 at 6:28 pm
Fantasy. Thanks for the info on TMZ.
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Ama. Team Adnan!
June 10th, 2009 at 6:36 pm
Fantasy. I did not believe for an instant that they didn’t know it was, Adnan.
They know his car. Wouldn’t you agree?
June 10th, 2009 at 6:36 pm
I swear. Some of you can be so touchy sometimes.
Why the sour attitude? Sorry I said your name,
Amapola. Sorry I said Queen B too. Just in case
she get’s mad with me. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry.
I apologize to Amapola and to Queen B. I am sorry.
It wasn’t you, Amapola, okay? I can’t recall who
it was who said it. I won’t mention anyone’s
name anymore just in case I’m incorrect. Okay?
I do not constantly talk about deportation.
It’s not like at the end of every post I make I
say, “And by the way, will Adnan be deported?”
For goodness sakes. I am not saying that Britney’s
not a loving mother. I just pointed out what I saw
in the video. Which is that it looks as though
she was more attentive to JJ than SP. Not saying
that she hates one child and loves the other.
I see now that there are some areas where others
feel that I shouldn’t go into. Some don’t like
that I questioned if Adnan has moved on in his
personal life. Like how could I suggest that he
may date or have a female friend that he likes to
spend time with. How dare I. Oh, I was so out of
line. I thought it was a harmless
question. Stop being so sensitive. Geesh.
I’m going to go sip on a glass of water.
Nothing is as soothing as a glass of cold water.
June 10th, 2009 at 6:47 pm
Fantasy. ‘Which is that it looks as though
she was more attentive to JJ than SP.’ It’s a subject I wouldn’t bring up again. It belongs to the haters. We never brought it up before you arrived. It was never an interest or concern. See Doc’s note about Reality and this board.
As for Adnan’s love life? Outside of Britney it’s none of my business. As for Britney, why else have we been here for 16 months? Adnan. Supporting Adnan. Why sully this board with talk of her loyalty or his moving on? It’s not part of our culture until it becomes reality and even then it becomes his business. There are many places to satisfy your reality. Choosing a Team Adnan board is probably not the best idea.
Hence what I said last night about remembering what neighborhood you alighted into. We have welcomed you but some topics are best left to read on other boards.
It’s amusing sometimes to talk about a few sundry items but otherwise this is where most or all of us stand: we care about Adnan.
For myself, I wear my heart on my sleeve and there’s no going back.
June 10th, 2009 at 6:55 pm
Today’s lies. ‘Britney Spears is reportedly dating her talent agent, Jason Trawick, according to a US report. Spears, 27, was earlier linked to a photographer Adnan Ghalib in a tumultuous liaison that ended before her father Jamie took control of her affairs.’
is dating…
tumultuous liaison … (all the tabs are including Adnan in this story and using misleading adjectives to describe their relationship)
end befre her father Jamie took control (why is this now important for the public to believe?)
June 10th, 2009 at 7:54 pm
Fantasy, I also noticed that Brit carried JJ around more than SP. I’ve often wondered about it, and had my hunches as to why it appears to be that way. It could be something as simple as he likes to be carried, while SP likes to walk. Who knows.
And I also wondered if Adnan had moved on and found someone new. So what if he did? Good for him if he has. He deserves to be happy.
I don’t think anyone owes anyone any apologies. Do they?!
June 10th, 2009 at 8:03 pm
Fantasy Says:
June 10th, 2009 at 3:17 pm
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I just watched that video. Holy sh@t!!
Your observations were bang on about everything. That was actually kind of shocking to me, when I started to actually watch it.
June 10th, 2009 at 8:06 pm
MH Says:
June 10th, 2009 at 4:29 pm
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I’m only about two sentences in, and already I’m asking myself, “Who is Steve Dennis?”
June 10th, 2009 at 8:22 pm
Fantasy, I don’t speak for everyone but I do take a stand.
Steel. You missed the last times we went through these stories.
June 10th, 2009 at 8:34 pm
Cool. I just know that if we didn’t all express our varied opinions on, e.g. the C-Ship, a while back we’d all still be sitting around singing the praises of “Through the Storm” and wondering aloud if there could ever be a better father than James P.
Sometimes random thoughts like Fantasy’s can actually be GOOD, because they draw our attention to underlying issues. If that makes sense.
But yes, I missed a lot. And I also found out that taking a good long break from here can give you a whole new perspective on the story.
June 10th, 2009 at 9:07 pm
Steel. I have found Fantasy to be a whole lot of fun most days. Her right (was it right or rite of passage) to buy tabloids along with feminine hygiene products will always crack me up.
Maybe I will just sit out on some stories. That’s always been cool here if not appreciated.
June 10th, 2009 at 9:10 pm
Fantasy. I shouldn’t talk like you were out of the room. My relatives were famous for doing that, “I’m right here!” we kids would always say. Sorry.
June 10th, 2009 at 9:34 pm
I have always felt that she appeared to be more connected to JJ.
And… a nearly 3 year old with a pacifier…not a good thing (for the mouth).
But none of that or rosaries, plaid shirts or who’s eff-ing who is really important is it.
June 10th, 2009 at 10:04 pm
Fantasy-
I think I do remember saying something about how Brit always carries Jayden while someone else ususally the nanny or Jamie is carrying SP. I know Brit loves both of her children but is it possible she does favor one child over another because she sees herself in him more because SP favors Kevin.
Some people have said she carries Jayden because he is lighter but I do not believe that because the nanny is strong enough to carry SP around. Others have suggested that she is trying to make for lost time because Jayden’s first year of life was so chaotic either way I think it is strange but I’m not going to make a big deal about it.
I know AM does not like this discussion but Fantasy is not the only one who has raised this issue.
June 10th, 2009 at 10:18 pm
That glass of water was just what I needed.
Really, I had to step away for a bit. All is good.
Nope, MH. None of that is important. I wonder if
Adnan is aware of all of the support that he has
here. Just think, maybe somedays he is somewhere
out there lurking. Now that would be very cool.
Have a great night everyone.
June 10th, 2009 at 11:20 pm
(’Carry on girls,’ says AM. saunters to where she might see Linda.
Maybe I have this lack of reporting thing down for the last event.
TMZ and others blew their leads on May 4, 2009 when they mistakenly reported that Adnan was going to stand trial. Blunders.
As July 9, 2009 is the pretrial, how silly would they look announcing it again? Um, er, that is correcting their mistake, and then announcing that the next proceeding is a pretrial hearing in which case it will decided if there will be a trial?
Make sense? I can’t find the blunder on their site just now but other sites quoted TMZ.
‘A judge today ordered Ghalib to appear May 18 to set a trial date—and also approved a protective order against Ghalib on behalf of the process server.’
Source: TMZ
http://www.newser.com/story/58035/spears-ex-faces-trial-in-car-assault.html
Does TMZ have a wire service? It’s not the same story as on the site however a number of celebrity news sites carried stories prematurely that the case was going to trial. What did they have left to say on June 4?
June 10th, 2009 at 11:33 pm
Correction: not a news wire but a separate client base (subscribers) for direct transmission of stories that may or may not match what is on the website?
I heard from a second source that July 9 is a preliminary hearing. It’s the official word. J could still be right.
June 11th, 2009 at 1:18 am
saunters back across the rooom
Hey ladies.
What did you all think of the leg? SP. On BS.com
Not a Brit move. Who is SP spending time with? Where did he get the move that he repeated so much that someone in the a-list group remarked, “What’s with the leg?”
lol goodnight
June 11th, 2009 at 2:12 am
MH Says:
June 10th, 2009 at 1:59 pm
Pay it in unrolled pennies.
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Great idea. That’s what the Dallas Mavericks owner does when he is fined by the NBA.
I want to go on record by saying that I like reading any and all opinions concerning any topic. We may agree/disagree with them but that’s okay. You learn more that way. Or may find a different way of looking at things.
Ama, I don’t feel the rest of the family is under a c-ship. Everyone, except Britney, has freedom. I won’t even get started on Lynne.
June 11th, 2009 at 5:40 am
“Queen B Says:
June 10th, 2009 at 10:04 pm”
Even so, very strange that this subject,who have been looked on and discussed from every angle here and on other sites (a very popular subject among Britney haters), return on this sites.
Its like somebody always want it to be a problem with Britney and SP.
Why one wonder.
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AM
I don’t know if you joke when you ask the question about SP and the leg?
Have you not seen the moves among the dancers around Britney/Circus?
He’s a child, and a very young child, and they have not the same cordination as a grown ups.
Both kids for sure must be happy kids. They can have fun, taking own initiatives, looked very harmonic and not shy.
If your question was a joke, it was a strange joke (for me), what/who are the a-list group?
Could you or somebody tell me the funny part of it?
Is the a-list some kind of “haters/morons”?
June 11th, 2009 at 8:38 am
http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/11/britney-spears-kevin-federline-kids/
Custody? Queen B, whenever you can please explain
the word choice. Is it 50/50 physical custody
or expanded visitation? Thanks. TTYL
June 11th, 2009 at 10:31 am
I think this TMZ article is once again misleading. Someone in Brit’s position, an individual under a conservatorship, can not have physical and/or legal custody because the conservatorship is a legal determination that they cannot care for themselves.
As I stated weeks earlier, all Brit has is expanded supervised visitation. I say supervised because I have never seen Brit with her kids without her dad or nanny present since the conservatorship. You would think Brit would say to the nanny why do not you take the day off but no the is always there because she has to be there.
If Kevin has agreed to give Brit more time during the summer something many custodial parents give to the noncustodial parent maybe he feels it is appropriate given the fact that there was a time when she could not see the children at all or only for a few hours.
Make no mistake, Kevin still has 100% legal custody-he is the decisionmaker and he and Jamie are making all the decisions not Brit. I really wish I could read the legal docs myself because TMZ is obviously biased.
June 11th, 2009 at 12:53 pm
Ama, I am not the most cosmopolitan person, but SP’s leg move looked like breakdancing. SP could have seen it anywhere. I thought it was cute.
A-list are elites. Paris Hilton A-list. Kathy Griffin D-list. VIPs very important persons. I probably should have said a woman, who was in the VIP section before the show, said, ‘what’s with the leg?’
June 11th, 2009 at 1:09 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
June 11th, 2009 at 12:53 pm
…SP’s leg move looked like breakdancing. SP could have seen it anywhere. I thought it was cute.
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I thought it looked like breakdancing, too. Maybe something he picked up from his dad?
Ever watch the Beckham boys breakdancing? Hilarious!
I’d forgotten, until watching that video, that Sean P. was still so small.
June 11th, 2009 at 1:29 pm
Ama, I wanted to compliment you. I’ve seen several times where you apologize for how you type, but you have improved tremendously. That’s a compliment and I hope you don’t take it as a diss.
Queen B, TMZ is very biased. I have never bothered to read comments, but does anyone ever tell them that since Jamie Spears has custody of Britney that she doesn’t even have joint custody? It’s been weeks since I’ve been to TMZ.
June 11th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
Small. I did indicate that I don’t have to participate in every conversation so I sat out last night on the SP and JP thing. I just wanted to be clear.
Steel. One more thing to add to October 2007 was the departure of Leslie Sloane Zelnik.
Meanwhile, I found this blog by Perez to be more interesting with some distance of time. http://perezhilton.com/2007-10-03-replacing-cousin-alli#respond
Being investigated by the government? Michael Sands? Also, (tongue in cheek) I wonder if Sam stole Zelnik’s rolladex.
June 11th, 2009 at 1:40 pm
Steel. I thought about SP learning it from his dad but do you honestly think K-Fed can make those moves these days?
He could have got it from his step-siblings, television, K-Fed’s visiting friends, etc.
At first I thought he was imitating Britney’s arm moves and then the dancers moves with the hulahoop. I thought ah, that’s nice he’s spending so much time with Britney but the breakdance move threw me off.
June 11th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
I think this was the first time Lutfi called US. I wonder if the “inside source” is Christina.
When weren’t they a team?
http://www.usmagazine.com/britney_spears_42
and a few days later
http://www.usmagazine.com/brit_crying
I note the pattern of the “inside source” but also that Lutfi offered to take her through the back of the restaurant. Doesn’t this just sound like the night Lynne, Britney, and Sam went to the drug store and Sam insisted going out the front door?
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Custody? Visitation? I don’t think Kevin likes being forced out onto the road. Maybe Victoria was supposed to help with that. It can’t be easy with K-Fed being out in public — people are bound to say negative things to him.
June 11th, 2009 at 2:07 pm
AM, when I made that comment about enjoying everybody’s view about any topic, I wasn’t trying to criticize. Hey if the conversation veered towards “how funny is Wipeout” or about sports…I’d be typing/talking non-stop. You would probably have to tell me to “shut the F up” LOL
June 11th, 2009 at 2:08 pm
If anyone wonders why I am going back into the archives again, it’s to separate Adnan from Ghalib.
It seems purposeful to continue to pair them together in the news. It’s like a blight on Adnan every time.
June 11th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
This comment by JM at BH made me laugh LMAO!
http://www.breatheheavy.com/exhale/viewthread.php?tid=160252
the “body double” doing her tour etc…
June 11th, 2009 at 3:04 pm
AM, your last post was unintentionally funny. But I totally knew what you meant. LOL
June 11th, 2009 at 3:10 pm
Anybody else subscribe to Popbitch? The latest issue had some interesting comments. Try to look beyond how mean this sounds towards Britney, and see the underlying complaint:
>> Toxic <<
Pop not always good
Last night we went to see Britney at O2. It was a sad evening. The sheer brilliance of Baby, One More Time was one of the things that made us start Popbitch; the emergence of artists like Britney (and Justin, Christina etc) made pop feel shiny and exciting again. So watching a sedated-looking woman in a bad frightwig pimped out by her controlling father to make some money through an S&M themed show, while poorly remixed versions of her hits played over a wonky sound system, had a particular poignancy.”
(Sent: June 11, 2009 11:31:43 AM)
The Brit’s sure know how to say what’s on their minds, don’t they?
June 11th, 2009 at 3:26 pm
Small Hands-
TMZ headline that Brit has more custody than Kevin is a much more sensationalist headline than Kevin,custodial parent, agrees to expanded supervised visitation during the summer months only as agreed to by Jamie, Brit’s conservator who is present for every visit.
The danger about the TMZ article is that it makes it seem like everything is back to normal and everyone forgets that legally Brit cannot make any decisions for herself let alone her children. A permanent conservatorship for a 27 year old is not normal.
June 11th, 2009 at 3:29 pm
ohmygosh Steel.
lol
June 11th, 2009 at 3:36 pm
So. On custody does anyone think Kevin will come home or roam about Europe with Victoria?
Ama. What would happen if you saw them together near your favorite cafe?
I hate to think. Would you yell, “Get out of our neighbor. We don’t want you in our neighborhood!”
?
(lol, thinking back to Jamie Lynne and Britney together and what her sister and paps said to a strange woman yelling the same)
June 11th, 2009 at 3:42 pm
Steel. The feedback on the concerts has been consistent from the beginning. The only ones who don’t talk about being drugged or a Barbie doll etc are exhalers and related.
I wish that you had gone to a concert. Why did I think that you were going? Did you ever post a review?
Also, and this is old, I was thinking about Merry Christmas. That’s what one pap said to her when she was rude to them or fed up with them like saying well Merry Christmas to you too. Maybe it’s a California thing.
Did you see the look at 57 seconds that I posted? Maybe I missed your reply. I don’t know who she was looking at but what a professional to come from sending that look to her auto-smile.
June 11th, 2009 at 3:46 pm
AM, thank your for giving me feedback on the spelling and writing
Then,
about
“Amethyst Mine Says:
June 9th, 2009 at 11:50 pm”
I have thought of that comment a while..find it strange..thinking of your ´happend to be black´ friends reaction..
Do he react on the name of the commander-in-cheif also? Not Caucasian either.
June 11th, 2009 at 3:47 pm
Not sure if anyone wants to open this can of words but awhile ago I posted a link to a French newspaper that talked about the sexism of the conservatorship.
I think the world would have went wild if he had been put into a conservatorship under either parent. Courtney would never have let it happen anyway, but …
Do you think we are sexist in not having talked about that? A woman versus a man under c-ship.
I wouldn’t blame anyone if they saunter away or decided to stretch their legs.
June 11th, 2009 at 3:58 pm
AM
Please do believe me, the dancer around Britney do similar moves..
Don’t understand why a comment from a woman who have buy a ticket to a “extra fine” spot can get people so confused?
Do you all also saw that the kids did not “fight” as kids so easy do when they have to share a spot.
They sort of check each other in, but they did what they could to dance and do their best.
SP´s truimph card was that move who little brother not jet could do..
June 11th, 2009 at 4:01 pm
Ama. Yes, all of my friends who are black talked about that with me. I was gung ho, certain he would win and they didn’t think so.
Obama tapped into that though. He’s been there, he knows the neighborhood hence the campaign, “Yes we can.” My friends all said we can’t, it won’t happen, and so on.
I have met a few other people who while glad he won would have been happier if people would have addressed that he is bi-racial: she is bi-racial. It’s what she lives with.
It was interesting watching the campaign, i.e., when media would say African American versus a black man.
You must know. if you kept up with the media, that there were those who didn’t think he had a chance based on his name. It didn’t “sound American” and it “might be confused with Osama bin Laden.”
I think the campaign did alot of good. Would you believe there was someone I knew who suggested that Hawaii wasn’t American? True it hasn’t been a state as long as some others but that shocked me.
Google Osama and Obama and you’ll see what some media “experts” predicted. I thought it was a really stupid idea to think people would ever confuse the two. Obviously we didn’t. We voted in a man who happens to be black. He is part white, fine but he is a Black Man and that says something in this country. I don’t know how to convey it. I will try. Being a black man conveys a certain experience, certain challenge and also a hipness I will never achieve. I love black culture and I cherish my friends. I am a lucky girl.
June 11th, 2009 at 4:07 pm
First, I want to say that I do not see Kevin leaving Europe. He and Victoria are on an all expense paid vacation so I’m sure he is going to milk the situation for all of its worth. The only thing that is in LA for Kevin are his two other children but he does not seem to really care about them.
AM- Thank your for pointing out the gender aspect surrounding the conservatorship. I definitely believe that being a woman may have played a role in Brit’s case. Women are generally considered by some to be the weaker and fairer sex. People may feel like a woman in Brit’s situation is incapable of taking caring of herself and thus needs a strong man to like her dad to protect her from all the bad men. People may presume that a woman is more likely to be taken advantage of than a man. Also, women may have a tendency to be more emotional and this may have played a role as well.
If Brit was a man, the odds are she may not have been placed under a conservatorship because are seen as strong and capable of running their own lives.
There is a way in which women are portrayed in the media that is different from men. We always hear about the party girls like Paris, Lindsay and even Amy Winehouse but not their male counterparts. Men can party, drink, do drugs and sleep around and that is okay but a let a woman do that, espcially a mother, and people are up in arms. Think about it, male celebrities are rarely featured on the cover of tabloids alone unlike women.
June 11th, 2009 at 4:07 pm
“Amethyst Mine Says:
June 11th, 2009 at 3:36 pm
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Ama. What would happen if you saw them together near your favorite cafe?
I hate to think. Would you yell, “Get out of our neighbor. We don’t want you in our neighborhood!”
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People around me would think I was crazy and should apologize to Kevin and Victoria.
What right do I have to say scream or say such things?
If so a was as bad as the people in KKK and such ´familily societys`
Is this a funny thing too?
I dont understand it.
June 11th, 2009 at 4:10 pm
Ama. I think the 1920 census of my part of my family is beautiful. Salvatore, Filomena, Giuseppe but not one of the children kept those names. They became Sam, Flora, and Joe just as examples. Those are common and old names here with the exception maybe of Flora.
I met a Turkish woman who wanted to change her name to Jenny. She liked the name, wouldn’t have had to spell it for anyone, explain it’s origin or anything. She would become Jenny.
My doctor is from Sri Lanka. The last name is four syllables. They shorted the name to a memorable and easy to spell name. It was just easier overall.
June 11th, 2009 at 4:13 pm
Amapola Says:
June 11th, 2009 at 3:58 pm AM
SP´s truimph card was that move who little brother not jet could do..
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LOL!
Fast forward 20 years, and I’m sure it will be the exact same situation.
June 11th, 2009 at 4:17 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
June 11th, 2009 at 3:42 pm
Did you see the look at 57 seconds that I posted? Maybe I missed your reply. I don’t know who she was looking at but what a professional to come from sending that look to her auto-smile.
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Just watched it now. It looked like someone missed their mark? She gave the same “timeout” signal afterwards that she gave in Vancouver during the pot smoking incident. It must be a sign language that everyone on the production understands.
And yes, she is very professional, isn’t she? Watching the auto-smile in that clip, it makes me think of how truly, truly unhappy she must have been in 2007 in order to blow off her career the way she did.
June 11th, 2009 at 4:19 pm
“Amethyst Mine Says:
June 11th, 2009 at 4:01 pm ”
THAT was not what I refered to in your earlier comment.
This is the comment I react on:
“Amethyst Mine Says:
June 9th, 2009 at 11:50 pm
Not to raise any issues but .. and Ama, I am thinking of you as I write this as you have brought the issue up before, … I talked to a friend of mine tonight who happens to be black.
He’s not into the whole Britney thing. We were catching up.
When I mentioned a trial he had a concern. The name Adnan is not of Caucasian ethnicity.
We know this of course but for a black man to voice it makes it a little more real.”
I think the world never will learn, still going crazy.
Is it not trubble enough in this world to still speak about raise and names and where one is born?
One do not decided where to be born or who ones parents will be.
We are the same.
And people still not get it.
June 11th, 2009 at 4:19 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
June 11th, 2009 at 3:42 pm
I wish that you had gone to a concert. Why did I think that you were going? Did you ever post a review?
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I tried to get tickets, but they sold out within seconds.
The new batch of shows goes on sale tomorrow morning. I’m still debating on that one.
June 11th, 2009 at 4:34 pm
Ama. I have no easy answers. I think we are doing better than when we used to kill each with clubs.
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QB, you articulated that well. I read something about women in crisis or marrying or having a baby just sells more on tabloid magazines. I mean, if 80% of those who buy them are women, what interest us in yet another male sexist partying pig. lol, no one wants to be reminded of their husbands, bosses, etc. (I know I know — not all men are like that. Mine is certainly not but that sexist issue comes up now and then and we are progressive as to that, but it still surfaces in funny little ways like, “All women are psycho.”)
What you wrote saddens me. We are still in the dark ages. I think it’s ironic that Britney could find few peers given the “man” that she had become. Financially self-sufficient, calling her own shots, radiating confidence at least externally, establishing and owning businesses.
Hell even Timberlake couldn’t man-up which is why he still probably brings up shyt like he did recently on Saturday Night Live. He’s got some kind of damage to his psyche.
What would the world think if Timberlake began acting crazy and was put under a c-ship. I hate to say it Queen B. but he is a bit effeminate and I think the antiquated thinking about women would be surface. He’s borderline. Even he joked about experimenting with men.
I think the world would have been FLOORED to see him perform under a c-ship which also goes back to antiquated thinking. Sure he’s effeminate but he’s still a man. Do you know what I mean? Him being under temporary c-ship? Well okay, that makes some sense but were he to go on tour?
Ama. What is the thinking in Europe as to sexism in this c-ship?
June 11th, 2009 at 4:35 pm
AM
We have new citizens from the whole world too, and they also work in all proffesions.
Not unusal as you see.
Earth is a little ´blue´ star. Sun is our fix star. Because of that we all can live on the earth.
And the come businessmen´s, the ones who have made up the borders.
Still I can stand with one feet in ´my´ country and the other feet in my neighbour´s.
Its the same kind of trees and mountains, the same river in the countrys.
June 11th, 2009 at 4:46 pm
Ama @4:35 Women understand this. Men do not.
June 11th, 2009 at 4:51 pm
“Ama. What is the thinking in Europe as to sexism in this c-ship?”
Big question, beacause Europe is so many countrys.
Some are made for man to live in, and some are good for women too.
They dont talk about it.
They translate the crazy gossip “news” from other countrys.
June 11th, 2009 at 4:54 pm
Just an aside but BH is full of c-ship protesters today and the same lame arguments for it. I am glad we don’t argue about the c-ship here.
June 11th, 2009 at 5:17 pm
Ama, if I understand, they don’t have entertainment news reporters whose beat (responsibility or niche) is the U.S.
France. We need this poster back:
# josieane Says:
February 25th, 2008 at 4:04 pm
All the french media , say that “Adnan is misled Britney ” ,i am not sure : MISLED !? , i mean that is goes hit other grils … media from france and quebec
And I need that link I posted with an individual voice protesting the c-ship and claiming sexism.
June 11th, 2009 at 5:18 pm
Found it. http://people.plurielles.fr/news-people/britney-spears-le-retour-en-grace-4264049-402.html
June 11th, 2009 at 5:50 pm
Steel. What do you mean by that cut-off cue? She looks kind of mean and glaring.
And I don’t think she is happy. I mean that she is professional in being able to put on a smile that convinces everyone.
Hell. I did it. Albeit music really helped. I also put on a happy professional face in other circumstances but I did it for the client. My bad day didn’t have to rub off on them by me being mean or sour. (I suck at putting on a happy face otherwise)
She’s a model. She’s a talent. It would be natural at times to be happy on stage but otherwise? No one has ever said Britney was mean or hard to work with (outside of tabloid messes) so why would she glare at anyone for making a small mistake?
She’s a professional. Maybe she is happy touring, I don’t know but a glare is a glare and was it even at someone on stage?
June 11th, 2009 at 6:20 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
June 11th, 2009 at 5:50 pm
Steel. What do you mean by that cut-off cue? She looks kind of mean and glaring.
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After the glare, they roll the stripper pole over to her. After that she hits the palm of her hand with her other hand, kind of like a “cut” or a “timeout.”
It looked to me like maybe the pole was supposed to be there waiting for her when she rose up out of the stage, but it wasn’t, so she had to improvise until they rolled it across the stage to her. Or that some other major flub happened that caused her to have to improvise. I don’t know. It just looked like there was more going on there than just the one glare.
June 11th, 2009 at 7:03 pm
Cool. Thanks, Steel.
Gang. We might have news tomorrow. No promises.
Steel. When you do your documentaries, do you think you have enough information and are ready to wrap and then more information comes in? Something that must be included?
I wish I were as seasoned as I was in my last profession. On the other hand that made me cynical at some point. I wonder how many people become embarrassed for their profession based on the conduct of others. Kind dentists for example.
June 11th, 2009 at 7:03 pm
I wonder how many refuse to participate unless x,y, and z can be met.
June 11th, 2009 at 9:59 pm
E!-Kaplan Clarifies The Visitation Arrangement
http://www.eonline.com/videos/v26125901001_K_Fed_s_Lawyer_Spills_Custody_Update.html?intcid=home_coverflow-video-K_Fed_s_Lawyer_Spills_Custody_Updat
If the link doesn’t work go to E! and watch the
video while it’s still up.
June 11th, 2009 at 11:11 pm
I knew TMZ’s story about Brit gaining more time with the kids than Kevin was false. So nothing has really changed. Kevin stil has sole legal and physical custody per court order and all Brit has is expanded supervised visitation.
Kevin has the children more than 50% of the time. While dates/times may have changed, the overall amount of time Brit has with her children has not changed. TMZ really needs to be called out on their biased and very misleading story which was probably picked up by other media outlets.
I figured TMZ’s reporting was inaccurate because they did provide a link to the exact court document they were referencing.
AM- What is a strawberry and is TMZ a strawberry?
June 11th, 2009 at 11:13 pm
Correction: TMZ DID NOT provide a link to the court document regarding visitation.
June 12th, 2009 at 12:55 am
Strawberry is one who works for the other side.
I think you have it down accurately.
I think I could puke.
1:32 ANTITHESIS.
“TMZ really needs to be called out on their biased and very misleading story which was probably picked up by other media outlets.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nx1TWk-V4P0
How do you do what you propose at 11:11 Queen B?
There is a difference between bravery and courage. It would take either one to do what needs to be done.
A team effort would be sweet.
June 12th, 2009 at 1:06 am
QB. If I understood, you are in Los Angeles. Look up documents? Bring your camera?
June 12th, 2009 at 1:19 am
AM-
Over the past few years, I have noticed that Harvey Levin/TMZ have become more powerful. First it was the website then a year or so ago they got a tv show. There is only so much one person can do but what I have done is really try to avoid patronizing that website. I do not want to put any more ad revenue in Levin’s pocket.
Harvey Levin is so digusting and he has no morals. If he does not know the facts, I think he just makes it up. He was very wrong about Brit’s visitation and probably other things as well. Levin has destroyed so many lives and I wonder how he sleeps at night.
With each story I’m starting to believe E! is not a strawberry. Within hours, E! got MVK to refute TMZ and add to that the stories from Ted Casablanca.
June 12th, 2009 at 1:50 am
Harvey has a new show coming out. He’ll be behind the scenes.
Let’s see if he corrects himself tomorrow. I think he might.
June 12th, 2009 at 2:08 am
I could only imagine how all the kids on BH were probably saying “Oh my God, Brit has more than 50/50 custody; the conservatorship must be working”. LOL. TMZ did a really bad thing by getting their hopes up.
In my opinion, the longer the conservatorship lasts, the more difficult it will be for Brit to regain custody. The odds of a judge immediately awarding Brit joint custody after 1.5-2 years under a conservatorship is small. Brit will have to prove herself and that will take time. Everyone will be watching her every move and if she messes up, it’s over.
June 12th, 2009 at 2:44 am
You’re right QB. The longer the c-ship is in place, it will be harder for her to get joint custody. Although, if Kevin wanted it back to joint, he could do that right? It doesn’t have to go to the courts if they come to that agreement? Someone, elsewhere, had told me that. Were they wrong? They had family court background.
The naive kids BH were thinking she has more than joint custody. They don’t get it. They were cheering the c-ship.
June 12th, 2009 at 9:34 am
That’s not what I thought a strawberry was…
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Strawberry Ho
June 12th, 2009 at 9:35 am
Sorry…To the faint of heart…LOL
June 12th, 2009 at 9:41 am
Amethyst Mine Says:
June 11th, 2009 at 7:03 pm
Steel. When you do your documentaries, do you think you have enough information and are ready to wrap and then more information comes in? Something that must be included?
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Considering I’ve been working on two different docs for four years and six years…I’d say…Yeah.
One required way more research than I thought, and went from a six-month job to a four-year job. (So really, I became more of a paid researcher than anything.) With the other, the story changed mid-stream, and I decided to follow the story to the end, or to when I had a “resolution” that would fit the film.
Back in school, I had a teacher tell me, “Steel, you have a big decision to make. You would make a great production manager in features or in TV, and you could drive around in your BMW and wave at everyone. Or, you could be a documentary filmmaker and change the world, and drive around in your Chevette and wave at everyone.”
I decided I wanted to change the world…Guess what kind of car I drive? It ain’t a Chevette, but it’s not a whole lot better! LOL
June 12th, 2009 at 10:54 am
Small Hands-
You are absolutely correct that Kevin could agree to share legal/physical custody of the boys but I have a feeling that he will not agree to that.
Kevin has a lot of power right and I don’t see him giving up that power voluntarily. Also, Kevin like everyone else is going to be watching Brit closely once the conservatorship expires. If nothing out of the ordinary happens, he might change his opinion or he could ask that the court appointed monitor take Jamie’s place.
Brit has an uphill battle when it comes to regaining custody. She has to show the court and Kevin that she can provided a safe, secure and stable environment without her dad’s assistance.
June 12th, 2009 at 12:48 pm
Steel. Thanks. That’s alot like the news stories I worked on this semester. They kept changing or I had more info or an “inside source” freaked out so I ended up not including the best quotes for the story.
I loved your story about career direction.
I think you got the most apt definition of a strawberry = prostitute.
QB, I disagree about E! Ted is a blogger. What he writes is in contrast to main news site.
June 12th, 2009 at 12:53 pm
QB, for example, there is alot of misinformation about Adnan in this E! article. http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b122015_Britney_Bunch_in_Court__Lutfi_Lawsuit_Delayed__Ghalib_s_Still_a_Go.html
June 12th, 2009 at 1:00 pm
QB, are you in a position to visit the courthouse and eyeball Sam’s declaration? It would be helpful to know what he said about Adnan without TMZ’s spin on it. I am just asking.
Upcoming hearings:
07/17/2009 at 01:30 pm in department 9 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
ACCOUNT CURRENT (RE ATTY FEES FOR COUNSELS:S. INGHAM, A. WALLET, J. WEXLER,J. BOXER.)
07/24/2009 at 01:30 pm in department 9 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
ACCOUNT CURRENT
I would have thought by the way, that Ingham already gets paid. What are these additional fees?
June 12th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
QB. On the other hand I don’t see that Sam filed a declaration. Did TMZ falsely report?
http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org
case summary
BP108870
June 12th, 2009 at 1:06 pm
This is what TMZ reported 2-27-09
‘Britney’s Ex Friend Throws Ex BF Under Bus
Posted Feb 27th 2009 1:14PM by TMZ Staff
britneys ex friend : exclusiveWe just obtained the declaration Sam Lutfi filed with the court, in which he claims he had no direct contact with Britney Spears — but he says Adnan Ghalib did!
Sam, who has been ordered to stay completely clear of Britney with no contact, claims “I did not initiate any direct communication with Britney Spears. Although I did receive text messages from her, all responses to those messages were conveyed to Britney through others, including … Adnan Ghalib.”
Sam does say he has “exchanged text messages with Ms. Spears.”
Lutfi also claims he never threatened any act of violence against Britney or her family.’
I don’t believe Adnan would convey messages for Lutfi to Britney, but what do I know? If he did I wonder that he was between a rock and a hard place.
June 12th, 2009 at 1:34 pm
some people see MVK as a media whore. with his recent E video i don’t see it that way. he’s correcting what reports were out about his client, evening the media playing field. that’s what a good lawyer does.
something isn’t right here. tmz hasn’t back tracked, as i thought they might. i’m not surprised that court docs weren’t posted, as detailed visitation stuff hasn’t been all along. crap i had a point to make about how tmz reported what they did and how they came to that conclusion and now my point is gone, big ole brain fart lol. anyway something isn’t right here. if my thought comes back i’ll post it lol.
the more important question, imo,…what, if anything, can be done to assist adnan? seriously, what can be done to help him?
June 12th, 2009 at 2:09 pm
MH. It may be a matter of what we are willing to do, i.e., step out of our comfort zone. It may also be a matter of creativity. Each of us is a strong communicator but perhaps none of us have the experience and that can be daunting.
I touched on that a few days ago as the “Who me?”
I got another phone number. It doesn’t hurt to call and ask but I dread it every time. I mean it’s crazy to think of me talking to any of these people or that they would talk to me, but it’s better than what I was doing which was research without action.
Guys. With any luck the mail will deliver info on the Nokia phone. I hope to untangle Adnan from Lutfi. I want to ask why Adnan included in the restraining order. Looking at testimony that didn’t make the news may be of help.
Anyway, I think I have found something I can do just that it takes time and courage. I am out of my element but moments away from being in my element with experience.
And the rest of me is saying gimme gimme. I don’t know if I want that as my theme song. The other is “Just wait, it’ll be alright,” the mail will eventually arrive.
You guys all help in your own way everyday we are here. Adnan said we were lights in the darkness. I guess there is your answer Fantasy as to support but purportedly Adnan does not read here.
June 12th, 2009 at 2:23 pm
Kinda, sorta funny in a follow-up call.
‘Does he have an official statement about a romance with Britney Spears?’
“I don’t know what you are talking about, but if it’s about Britney Spears you should talk to her publicist.”
What do you guys think? His asst. doesn’t know anything about it? She could have said no comment.
June 12th, 2009 at 2:43 pm
MH. You’re right. Kaplan cleared things up. The saddest thing is that he is unaware of any discussion about regaining any amount of custody.
Did I hear that right? He said she was going to be on tour until the end of the year. He said there wasn’t any discussion about custody and then seemed to imply that it wasn’t likely there would be any discussion regarding custody.
That’s the closest I have heard from any official that the c-ship will not end while she is on tour.
Am I reading into this?
June 12th, 2009 at 2:56 pm
yep.
June 12th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
having trouble with yahoo email. i can read, but not reply or send fresh emails. the send button isn’t working. anyone else having this prob?
what did we do before cell phones and internet lol
June 12th, 2009 at 3:14 pm
http://www.okmagazine.com/news/view/14902
And so it goes and becomes truth despite Kaplan’s E! interview.
June 12th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
CAUTION. LONG POST AHEAD.
Amethyst, when you said the other day that this is
Adnan’s board, I thought to myself, “Well, so it
is.” Then why aren’t we (me) focusing more on him
instead of Britney? I too have been thinking about
what we could do to help him out some. If anything
at all.
Partly, I feel like I shouldn’t try to get in the
middle of this. Then I thought are we (I) just
gonna sit here and watch this story unfold and
accept Adnan’s fate,or as MT worded it his faith.
Can we let Jamie & Co win again and again. No.
The alleged incident involving RM was no accident.
It, imo, was made to look that way. Would it be
accurate to use the word premeditated? The take
over on Britney was planned. Why can’t the same be
said for the take down of Adnan? Operation Adnan
went into effect, imo, sometime after he and B
were last photographed together. Which was March
2008. Remember that photo, guys. Remember the
looks on both of A and B’s face? Weeks later
JFX reported that Adnan was assaulted.(4/2008).
Then came the trip for Britney and the gang to
Mel’s crib in Costa Rica. Who also tagged along
for the vacay? Trawick. If you ask me, Jamie’s
been trying to get Britney together with Trawick
for quite some time. Cut Britney’s contact w/
Adnan and find a way to get rid of A for good.
Back to the process server incident. In court
Korn said that they’d chosen not to fight the TRO.
That is true, right? So, if Adnan didn’t have any
intention of fighting the TRO why would he try to
avoid being served papers by Ram if he knew he
wasn’t gonna appear in court anyway?
And why would Adnan have the reaction that Ram is
claiming Adnan did? Such as, you know, trying to
run him down with his car which made Ram to either
jump on the car’s hood or be thrown onto the hood
and ultimately suffering cuts, abrasions, and a
fractured wrist, etc.
Someone please tell me I’m making sense.
I’m not buying Ram’s version of what alledgedly
happened. Wasn’t there surveillance cameras at
the complex? Can’t remember. Wouldn’t a neighbor
or someone have heard something going on outside
of their apartment? When one accelerates in a car
like the one it’s said Adnan was driving that day
it’s likely to be heard. I remember seeing video
of Adnan driving past the Summit gates to see B
and he didn’t enter the gate quietly, you know.
TMZ reported RM’s version of what happened but
Perez had the photos. Neither showed a hand/wrist
that had an injury to it. Why didn’t the former
cop try to do something? Why’d RM not get treated
sooner? Those pics on Perez looked very pro and
not like they were taken at a police station or
a hospital/clinic.
Back to the original question. Should we, any of
us here try to help and if yes where does one
start? Who to call? What to say? I’m so far away.
I have no inside info. All I have is what I’ve
learned here. Does that count? I don’t think so.
The one here who used to post and who appeared to
have the most knowledge of what happened or what
would happen hasn’t dropped by in a while. Even
then that person didn’t seem to have any interest
in helping out. It’s more like every man for
himself. That’s the vibe I got.
I’ll stop for a moment. Let me know you thoughts.
Sorry for writing so much.
June 12th, 2009 at 4:19 pm
Best post of the day, Fantasy!
I hate to talk aloud because it lessens the possibility of actually doing it. I mean for example that you tell everyone you are going on a diet and then what happens?
I want to write a series of articles under the banner Fair News Spears. It wouldn’t be limited to Britney but rather to concentrate on getting the truth out and exposing tabloid news such as TMZ. In other words throw spears out there when appropriate.
I didn’t think I was going to have the nerve to contact Holly Shakoor but I was on a drive and listening to If You Seek Amy. The DJ, a woman, came on an said, “Britney has a new man in her life. You can see a picture of the Old Fart on our website. Sorry Britney. I had to say it.”
There is nothing wrong with being a citizen or civilian and making a call. I think about the earliest phone calls I made. Really guys, discussion here drove it so if you don’t feel there is something more you can be doing just realize your effect and power.
The other thing that drove me was this video. http://www.thefoxnation.com/britney-spears/2009/06/08/were-topless-britney-spears-online-photos-publicity-stunt at 2:35
Bill O’Reilly of Fox News claims Britney herself released the photos.
How are either of these connected to Adnan? They are only a part of the whole story which, for me, all lead back to “Britney Spears gets TRO against ex-boyfriend” which was a lie. I had felt so helpless for so long and drumming my fingers from early 2008 wondering what I could to help.
At some points I just wrote R, what I hoped would be funny or distracting stories or to let him know I supported the guys, admired their loyalty and respected the silence. (there are days when I get frustrated though in wanting to know something but I learn nothing).
Anyway, I have Holly’s email address. By the way, her assistant told me there have been multiple inquiries as to the alleged romance with Trawick. Why hasn’t Holly said anything either way? Fantasy. You have a really good theory about getting Adnan out of the way. It’s plausible anyhow.
Fantasy. I believe that he who hasn’t posted here for a bit has Adnan at heart. He has done so much to bring us into Adnan’s world and also the world of celebrities and paparazzi.
A long time ago he put up a post saying that he hoped her life hadn’t become … and then he describe a typical day, wake at 8, do blank, he had the whole day mapped out and it was credible and unbelievable to me at the time that were would ever be so much structure and little freedom.
It was MT who brought us into Britney Spears’ house, walking past the children’s room and not hearing them. He brought us loneliness and desire. He exposed tabloid news such as TMZ and X17 in a way I had never thought to think of it.
His posts led me to really listen to programs such as CNN, a night when Kathy Griffin hosted the program and talked about the paparazzi and celebs. She had a panel of experts that I think included Levine. Who knew that in multiple cases celebs, paps and news agencies had symbiotic relationships, i.e., a celeb setting up a shoot to broker and earn a percent of whatever the paparazzi were able to sell the photo for.
MT is a big reason of why I and many people stayed here. He’s a big reason why we have had so many lurkers who ridicule us, try to figure out who Twain is and meanwhile work on solving his clues on other boards.
If he had ill-intentions toward Adnan, JFX would have banned him long ago. As it stands, he is the only voice to be heard except for the occasional blogs by JFX that ask questions.
I have twice misunderstood, MT. He has not jumped ship.
June 12th, 2009 at 4:24 pm
Gad that was a long post. Anyway, Steel? That’s what I am up to and why what is coming in the mail is important and has delayed the project yet again.
I wish I wasn’t doing it in journalistic blog format but maybe that will work out. College newspapers don’t have much room for entertainment news and it might raise an eyebrow with how the administration is spending their money on the journalism department. Something like that.
Of course I would have to use my name which I imagine will draw positive and negative attention based on the experience of other bloggers’ who take on controversial topics.
June 12th, 2009 at 4:29 pm
Fantasy-
You sound like a criminal defense attorney. You have a done a good job of poking holes in the prosecution’s case and that raises reasonable doubt. All Korn needs is 1 juror to vote “not guilty” and there is a hung jury. I think once all the facts are out, the prosecution will have a hard time convicting Adnan of all counts.
Back to Kaplan and the custody situation, it seemed to me that Kaplan way saying that there is a strong possiblity that the tour would last through the end of the year and if that is the case then there will be no change in the current custody arrangement because Brit has to be in LA in order to mount any case. OK magazine is a joke, I can’t believe they ran with this story even though Kaplan debunked it. I wonder what OK’s source was-TMZ.
I always knew that the conservatorship would last through the duration of the tour so the earliest the conservatorship would expire is early 2010 around the 2 year mark.
June 12th, 2009 at 4:43 pm
post it where and how you want to. sounds like you’re tying your hands before you’ve even begun.
your own blog
wordpress
some public, not related or connected to anything or anyone else.
etc…
June 12th, 2009 at 4:47 pm
QB. You are beginning to sound like a lawyer.
What would you ask Kaplan if you could? I have this ridiculous idea of you calling him but consider the possibility of what I am saying to all of us, “Yes you can.”
Hi, this Queen B. I passed the bar exam and graduated from UCLA etc. While I was stomping the pavement I got interested in the Spears case. I saw your interview with E! yesterday and was wondering….
Who knows. Maybe he knows someone looking for a sharp inexpensive (beginning) attorney to hire.
How would I handle it? Hi, Mr. Kaplan. First I wanted to thank you for clarifying the custody arrangement on the Spears case. Were you aware that the false report was generated from TMZ? Well I know you are media savvy and I wonder what your take is on …
E! is the only one so far to carry a redacted version of TMZ’s story. It’s not being picked up. Don’t you wonder why? OK! is a strawberry btw, QB. How smart you are.
June 12th, 2009 at 4:50 pm
oops, left out the who I am intro in scenario with Kaplan but you the idea.
Some of you would be surprised by who I have talked to so far. Yes we can. (ok, new motto please — Steel you are clever … if you are with his idea .. and I am pretty sure you took some writing classes yourself, right? Also you are the most computer savvy girl I have known .. I wonder what you could do with those skills).
June 12th, 2009 at 4:57 pm
You are right, MH. No ties to anyone. No money involved except what I invest for court documents. Not paid by anyone. Not profiting although it would sure be nice to get a tax break through a cost of doing business deductible.
June 12th, 2009 at 5:53 pm
AM-
I think the reason why everyone is running with the TMZ story is that it fits with the whole “Brit comeback” story. The media loves to tear people down and then build them back up. The first part was Brit puts out an album. The second part was the tour and the third part was Brit has a new bf and the fourth part was Brit supposedly regaining more custody than Kevin.
Sometimes I think that the media forgets that Brit is under a PERMANENT conservatorship. Forget about who Brit is dating and how much the tour is making and focus on the fact that a 27 year old woman has no control over her life whatsover and the people who are running her life are making no effort to change things. It would really be sad if Brit is 30 and still under a conservatorship.
AM, I do not know what I would ask Kaplan. You know it is funny, sometimes I feel like the only way I’ll find a job is if I start cold calling people but I’m really shy and talking to people who I do not know makes me nervous and causes my anxiety but I’m going to have to get over it.
One question I would ask Kaplan is 1)Can he confirm that Brit only has supervised visits and then could he clarify and define the key differences between custody and visitation.
Next, I would ask 2)if the conservatorship expired in 2/10 and Brit filed papers to regain joint physical/legal custody of the boys, would Kevin oppose that motion and insist that Brit’s contact with the boys be monitored.
Lastly, I would ask 3) what would Brit have to do in order for Kevin to feel comfortable with sharing legal/physical custody of the boys with no supervision for Brit.
June 12th, 2009 at 6:08 pm
AM, this was good advice:
your own blog
wordpress
some public, not related or connected to anything or anyone else.
etc…
June 12th, 2009 at 6:18 pm
AM, I’ve been rolling it over and over in my head what I would do with all of this myself. And I haven’t touched it (apart from some light inquiries to a major news outlet here) for several reasons. One being that when I tackle a project, I like to go all out on it, and I’ve (unfortunately/fortunately) been so wrapped up in my current projects that I haven’t had the guts to take on another. And I have another big deadline coming up, too, meaning I’m going to have to disappear in a bit, to re-appear at a later date.
However…
You guys are going to want to strangle me, because it’s probably re-hashing stuff you’ve already talked about while I was gone for that bit there. But…
What are the 5 W’s of this story? Can we break it down nice and simple? Come up with something I could maybe forward on friends who work at media outlets here?
June 12th, 2009 at 7:30 pm
5 W’s? Steel. It is a wheel with many spokes. One spoke is what happened in the past 24 with TMZ, OK and E! The lead in that story is something like this off the top of my head:
Spears does not get increased visitation
False reporting by TMZ, OK!, others
That’s where you plug in additional quotes by Kaplan.
Show of hands please. I have the package. I have to look into Government Code 69954 (D) as to disbursement of the information. I just think I can’t recopy it but surely quotes are allowed.
Because we are in this together here’s what it looks like when you get a court transcript. It’s professionally bound. There is a witness index and columns for direct, cross, redirect, and recross. wow. Stuart Richards was a witness. Who knew!
Get this. In the exhibits? Christmas pictures.
I will be sensitive to detractors in what I put here. ok?
Steel. I understand all or nothing. I am intense. I made a decision. I put money on the table, next is my identity.
I have to figure out these numbers. There’s a list of exhibits — the numbers are page numbers maybe. Oh dear. I had to share before I started reading. Holy shyt. This isn’t happening anywhere on the Internet. holy shyt
QB. I am on it but …holy shyt 228 pages
June 12th, 2009 at 7:37 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
June 12th, 2009 at 7:30 pm
5 W’s? Steel. It is a wheel with many spokes. One spoke is what happened in the past 24 with TMZ, OK and E!
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I was thinking a bit bigger than that…A different spoke, I guess.
P.S. I’d be sure to lock down all your info. Check and double check. We all saw what happened to JGHDTB…
Ah, you know what them bitches are like…LOL
June 12th, 2009 at 7:38 pm
Guys. I am going to disappear for a bit (ok, I can’t help it, I know I’ll be right back here — I love company and I love sharing).
Two pages in, “Your next witness.”
JOHN ANDERSON
Holy cow.
June 12th, 2009 at 7:54 pm
Who is JGHDTB? Meanwhile, Steel, proof proof and cross-proof. Do I believe in the integrity of what I am reading, that is the testimony?
Um… I’m a skeptic and I think Anderson acted to protect himself and look pretty.
ok, if I post a few things that are repeats of news I apologize. First read through I am going at a clip.
Does this sound familiar? Eardley contacted him and indicated a mutual acquaintance had given him his name. Same thing we heard about Sam and Sands and how they connected.
The date is somewhere between January 28 and December 3rd for the sleuths. I know we had some dates before but this is verbatim and from a sworn in witness. Anderson.
June 12th, 2009 at 8:03 pm
Anyone have the case number handy for the Eardley pursuit? I came across it and no one am I stopping to look it up this second. Anderson mentioning going to a court website and seeing Eardley as Spears’ rep in the conservatorship case. I near certain the rest of the record is there as far as what happened to that.
Next. Lufti. “He indicated that Ms. Spears was not able to communicate that her phones were taken from her and that her only way of communicating would be through him.”
June 12th, 2009 at 8:10 pm
Anderson says Eardley first contacted him and then Lutfi but Lutfi did not mention he knew Eardley? For whatever reason, Anderson talked to Lutfi and told him that Eardley want him to co-represent Spears.
This testimony after saying he told Eardley he could not represent a conservatee.
Anderson did get in his hands what he thought were signed copies by Britney Spears. Sam did not tell him how he would get the papers to her to be signed just that he would have it done.
I feel like a telegraph.
June 12th, 2009 at 8:13 pm
Sam told him that Eardley would not be a problem and to handle the case on his own.
Also, Anderson was informed by Lutfi by that point that Spears lacked capacity to select her own counsel.
Anderson knew this before he prepared the papers, he said.
June 12th, 2009 at 8:18 pm
Anderson couldn’t initially recall how he transmitted papers to Lutfi but then he remembers his office didn’t have an address so they must have faxed or emailed them.
This is only important because of the urgency in which the TROs were issued and a statement about Lutfi not having an address.
QB. You got to love how articulate these guys are and then they use vernacular such as, “I can not find that letter in my supplemental exhibit 40, so I invite counsel to fish it out.”
I’ve got to stop posting. So far no implication of Adnan being involved.
June 12th, 2009 at 8:18 pm
# Amethyst Mine Says:
June 12th, 2009 at 8:13 pm
Anderson knew this before he prepared the papers, he said.
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Nice.
June 12th, 2009 at 8:27 pm
AM, This is public information. TMZ, E, Radar etc… post court docs all the time. Is there any difference when it comes to posting transcripts?
June 12th, 2009 at 8:30 pm
AM’s pants are wet right now.
June 12th, 2009 at 8:31 pm
Call me dumb, but the “New Blind Item About Britney?” that was just posted at BH?
“Oh, you all do know Princess isn’t used to performing sober, don’t you? It’s something she absolutely hates doing…”
How can someone pull off dance moves like Brit does in her concerts, yet not like performing sober? Sorry, but drugs/alchohol and intricate dance moves don’t seem like they mix much…Hence the supposed need for the C-Ship.
Or am I just being naive?
June 12th, 2009 at 8:45 pm
LOL
June 12th, 2009 at 8:46 pm
MH. I was going to joke about peeing earlier but instead I went out to the bathroom and then out to smoke. Holy shyt. This is public information but I will have to clarify how I might use the information.
“Not for reproduction” etc. Steel. This is a certified court transcript, something we have never seen TMZ or otherwise.
I can confirm that Florida and LA were connected as to some kind of conflict of interest as to a hearing that Friday the week of Jan 27th … we didn’t waste our time in Florida.
I said from the near get (media analysis, timing of stories) go the cases were connected. I wish we all worked in an office and had a loud speaker on or something or had similar jobs and knew what a coup this is and were high fiving each other or something and then went back to work and being normal.
Why why why would Anderson’s decision hinge on events in Florida? I have to go back but I thought the protective order against testifying was already in place.
lol I am only on page 25
June 12th, 2009 at 8:49 pm
AM, I don’t know if that’s what MH meant…But that could just be me and my nefarious mind. LOL
June 12th, 2009 at 8:51 pm
Oh dear…Where’d that erase button go to?
June 12th, 2009 at 8:53 pm
Ama. Do you forgive us now for so much time analyzing the Florida case?
Here’s an a sidebar about the case.
When did you end your involvement in the Spears matter?
A: I’m still involved. (April 1)
Q: When did you end your –
A: You can’t shake loose.
Q: When did you end your voluntary involvement in the Spears matter?
A: Either the 28th or the 29th of January.
June 12th, 2009 at 8:53 pm
Ama. The sidebar and Florida do not relate. Sorry for confusion.
June 12th, 2009 at 8:54 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
June 12th, 2009 at 8:46 pm
Why why why would Anderson’s decision hinge on events in Florida? I have to go back but I thought the protective order against testifying was already in place.
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There IS something odd about the whole thing, isn’t there?
June 12th, 2009 at 9:04 pm
LOL Steel. You got it.
June 12th, 2009 at 9:06 pm
>>>lol I am only on page 25
oh boy, gonna be a long night.
doesn’t look like hubby is getting any tonight.
June 12th, 2009 at 9:07 pm
AM’s hubby, that is.
June 12th, 2009 at 9:27 pm
LOL you too. Ok I get it I get it and that was bump not a high five. Oh dear.
Okay, Diamond establishes that Anderson is an “expert” in c-ships and has a pretty good career going. Bobb is unhappy with his line of questioning, “We do not need expert testimony here…”
Diamond was beginning to try to show that lack of capacity etc., would not have precluded Anderson from taking on the case. Not sure I understood this but am only on p34.
Here’s verbatim material we never saw,
And on of the pleadings you submitted was a proposed memorandum of points and authorities where you said, quote, “Britney Jean Spears has expressed her lack of confidence in her court-appointed attorney Samuel Ingham, III.” And you indicated that, quote, “She would have more confidence in the process if she were allowed by the court to retain the attorney of her choice.”
Meanwhile. Steel we will get to the bottom of Florida. What the hell does it have to do with c-ship? Testimony would be my guess and Johnny Wright knowing Britney Spears and not being involved in any Lutfi stuff. He would have trusted her to babysit his children.
June 12th, 2009 at 9:32 pm
I’m LOL’ing at MH, not you AM.
Okay, that’s a lie. I’m LOL’ing at you, too.
So Anderson is an “expert” in C-Ships.
Very interesting…!
June 12th, 2009 at 9:37 pm
It IS interesting to read this stuff straight out instead of reading it through the filter of some other entertainment writer at some random blog.
June 12th, 2009 at 9:41 pm
# Amethyst Mine Says:
June 12th, 2009 at 9:27 pm
Meanwhile. Steel we will get to the bottom of Florida. What the hell does it have to do with c-ship? Testimony would be my guess and Johnny Wright knowing Britney Spears and not being involved in any Lutfi stuff. He would have trusted her to babysit his children.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I just find it interesting that Brit’s “people” stopped paying Wright in December 2006, before Lutfi entered the picture. Larry had just been re-hired…Brit had yet to enter rehab. There’s something off about that situation.
June 12th, 2009 at 9:49 pm
Looking at BH again. What are the first two things you see?
A “blind item” about Brit trying to score hard drugs in every town she stops in, and photos of her topless.
Rough day.
So who truly leaked these photos? Lutfi? Because I also read somewhere that Britney’s camp leaked the photos themselves (to make it look like Lutfi?)
It sure makes her look like a hot mess, doesn’t it? Kinda like it’s a good thing she’s under the C-Ship.
Interesting.
June 12th, 2009 at 9:52 pm
With that encouragement I’ll keep going. I feel like a kid perched up and looking over a fence and whispering back what I see, “They’re kissing!”
Things are not going well for Diamond’s cross-exam. Boxer keeps objecting saying irrelevant and the court keeps backing him up. Finally Diamond moves to strike all of Anderson’s testimony if his last question to him is irrelevant. The court explains it only wants to hear about Anderson’s communications with Eardley and Lutfi. The court disallows prosecution from using what Anderson has already said (to their advantage later on).
Diamond is asking really good questions to my mind. Ultimately the cross-exam ends in establishing that Anderson doesn’t know if the person he talked to or emailed with is Jon Eardley.
The court was not interested in why Anderson did what he did. F. Diamond directly asked him what attorneys for the c-ship did to cause Anderson to abruptly change his position in going forward with an ex-parte hearing set for January 29th. Did I read that correct? QB, isn’t a hearing something you have to set up? Anderson needed to get permission from the court to represent Spears.
Q of interest. ‘In all of your experience as a probabte attorney in conservatorship, have you ever encountered an order that barred a conservatee from retaining his or her own attorney and was forced to accept the representation of a court-appointed attorney without any choice having been made by the conservatee?’
Objection. Foundation. Relevance.
Sustained.
grrrr — obviously Anderson knew the answer and had decided to represent Spears. He must have known he had grounds to do so, right? I mean, here he is, this respected lawyer (particularly in estates and conservatorships)with 34 years of experience and he went through with it. He notified every attorney connected with the case, including the ones involved with custody, of his intention.
Steel. I wish I could photocopy. Two sets of eyes are better than one plus this is fascinating like movie stuff; I’ve never been to a jury trial.
Freedman is up next. The judge upheld every objection by Boxer. Sustained. Irrelevant. Diamond must have been frustrated, well if this isn’t relevant then neither is anything else Anderson has testified to today.
I wish MT were here. Home court advantage Mr. T?
June 12th, 2009 at 9:54 pm
Correction: The court disallows striking Anderson’s testimony. Diamond notes that prosecution can use what Anderson has said to their advantage, later on. Judge says no one objected earlier. Diamond indicates he should have as Anderson was testifying.
Lots of mix-up here in terms of who has which and what exhibits and what books they are in. Judge does not have all, defense does no have all. Statements made about “under seal” and Diamond being respectful as to what is under seal.
June 12th, 2009 at 9:57 pm
lol. Irrevelvant?
Mr. Anderson, is this an unusual situation where an attorney and someone else would come to you and ask you to help represent someone?
Objection. Irrelevant.
Sustained.
Do you think plaintiffs and judge had an understanding before going in?
Should have been a jury trial.
June 12th, 2009 at 10:13 pm
Here it comes. First part we know but verbatim and intact:
Anderson. ‘He (Lutfi) indicated that she told him that her telephone rights, her ability to meet with him were all cut off. So she had to do it through third parties using other people’s telephones, times at the hairdressers and that she was — it was if she was in prison, completely controlled by her father unable to make direct contacts.’
Paraphrase: Freedman asks about signed documents and how Anderson received them, first by fax which was unacceptable and then:
“Initially by fax. And I had my secretary call him and say we (our office) would not proceed based on a copy of a document, that I wanted the original documents in my hand before we proceed. So on the 27th of January, I think it was a message that brought those in.”
Q: Did you actually see the messenger?
A: I did not see the messenger.
Q: Okay. Do you know whether or not the person who brought them in was Adnan Ghalib?
A: No, I do not. I could add I never met that individual. I never heard that name until Ms. Wyle asked me on the telephone on the 27th if he had instigated this in my office. I did not know who he was.
Q: When you received the signatures on those papers, did you look at the signatures?
A Yes.
Q: Did you question whether they were accurate or not?
A I would have no idea.
Q Did you believe that they were Britney Spears’ signatures at the time?
A That was my belief because Mr. Lutfi alleged that he had contact with her and would get those signatures.
Q When you say Mr. Lutfi alleged that he had contact with her –
A Yes.
Q –What did he exactly say to you?
A I don’t recll what the exact words were other than he would get them signed.
Q Okay. You recall him saying he would get them signed?
A Yes.
Q But do you recall him saying he would get them signed?
A Yes.
Q But do you recall him saying that he would have her sign them?
A No.
Q Do you recall him saying he met with her in an effort to get them signed?
A No.
Q Do you recall him saying he caused anyone to meet with her in an effort to get them signed?
A Not those exact words. He indicated that he would get them signed. I don’t know how.
The rest of this portion is about Anderson believing if his preparing the ex-parte caused Britney stress or emotional harm.
It’s early but I think Freedman is making a case for his client no violating the agreement and first TRO with Jamie Spears. Wow. Way to pin it on Adnan. We are only to p44.
Guys. Let me know if I should stop. Not everyone may be interested. I am halfway kidding, should you want to talk rosaries, SP v JP, or romance.
June 12th, 2009 at 10:28 pm
>>>Guys. Let me know if I should stop. Not everyone may be interested.
Shut Up!!!! Are you kidding…read baby read!
June 12th, 2009 at 10:30 pm
scan. email. easy peasy, other than the number of pages lol
don’t forget to eat AM lol
June 12th, 2009 at 10:33 pm
Keep going, girl.
I’ll pull an all nighter if you will.
I barely sleep anyway.
Procede.
June 12th, 2009 at 10:41 pm
There used to be only one AM.
Now there’s like, five and a half. LOL
June 12th, 2009 at 11:33 pm
LOL Steel. lol Fantasy and MH.
Okay we are to page 61 and here’s what I have. When Anderson decided to delay or give up the Spears’ case he still didn’t know about the impending TROs or lawsuits against anyone, e.g., Lutfi, Eardley, Adnan.
Florida, Steel. It was not in her best interests, he was convinced after talking with Wexler, for him to file his case Thurs. Jan 29 and that case having a proceeding Friday, January 30.
Both defense attorneys also demonstrated that Anderson never met Eardley or Lutfi. They are people who become “allegedly Eardley” etc.
Plaintiffs by the way are disorganized in their tabbing of exhibits. Sidebar. There is searching by the judge, defense but not the plaintiffs.
There was also some mix-up in the transcript as to who was saying what and Anderson not wanting to face all of those attorneys. Someone interjects to let the witness answer, not an attorney.
Husband is at happy hour and I approve and encourage.
Diamond tries to enter an unsigned paper nominating counsel. He drops it and says he’ll withdraw it, “No big deal. It’s not worth the effort.” Moving on and btw, there are 92 questions and/or statements by Freedman, 75 by Diamond, 56 by Boxer. This is just on Anderson.
I’m trying to get to Christina, but Fantasy, this thing is a page-turner. I can’t find anything spectacular happening in Florida for the end of January. Go: http://www.ninthcircuit.org/research/case_query.shtml
Left side, search for Civil case number 2007 CA 014233 O Click on details. Also check documents.
I am trying to get some records from there too. Sloooow process.
June 12th, 2009 at 11:35 pm
Oh! And remember all the b.s. about not extending the TRO against Lutfi because perm c-ship was as good as a TRO anyway?
It became obvious to us that more was going on based on the letter that surfaced in the case of the TROs.
From the transcript I learn there was a contract in place and that mention of it by either party made it null and void. Wexler mentioned it to Anderson.
Per testimony. Guys? Did they pay him off? What does Lutfi have that …? He’s got something.
June 12th, 2009 at 11:39 pm
# Amethyst Mine Says:
June 12th, 2009 at 11:35 pm
Per testimony. Guys? Did they pay him off? What does Lutfi have that …? He’s got something.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Darn right he does.
June 12th, 2009 at 11:41 pm
Whatever happened to Lutfi’s documentary? Was that even real, or just a veiled…?
June 12th, 2009 at 11:44 pm
Remember how Lutfi told Rolling Stone that Brit was dictating her story to him, and that it would make a great book?
Were those written notes? Tape recorded? Videotaped?
When was mention of the C-Ship first brought up? I wonder if Lutfi has documentation of that?
I was going to say that Lutfi was perhaps the only person involved in all of this that hasn’t signed a confidentiality agreement…But now we know that’s probably not true. It sounds like he has.
June 12th, 2009 at 11:53 pm
Florida, Florida, again and again.
Mr Wexler did not try to talk Anderson out of representing Spears, at least not directly. There was Florida and then there was this,
Diamond, “He never said to you, what a thrill. An expert in probate law is going to get involved in a very important case, and Ms. Spears is going to get great representation because you, Mr. Anderson, you’re a fine attorney. We welcome you to represent Ms. Spears to the best of your ability as an advocate. He never said welcome to the case. We look forward to having you involved, did he?”
objections and similar lines
Diamond, “He led you to believe that you should not get involved with the case at that time; isn’t that right, Mr. Anderson?”
A Not on a hearing on Thursday prior to the hearing that they were going to have on Friday
Q And not at any time after that; isn’t that right?
A He never suggested that.
Q He never said it either way. He never said after the hearing in Florida we welcome you; isn’t that right?
A No. He suggested that I would — I would undoubtedly not be successful when ties came out that Mr. Eardley and Mr. Lutfi were involved in my retention.
…. Next up Daniel Haines. Guys, should I skip to Christine and Berk?
June 12th, 2009 at 11:54 pm
Moving on. I could give a shyt about CityGal right now.
June 13th, 2009 at 12:02 am
Declaration of Nancy Kammer. ?
Side note from Freedman, “Everytime I walk into this courtroom, I get another box of documents. I get another batch of declarations. I get another stack of things. When I’m prepared for one thing, I get another thing. And I — I think it’s outrageous. What is going on? They should be putting forth — ”
Bobb: You’re objecting to the custodian of record declaration, and they provide you with an improved custodian of record’s declaration, I don’t think that’s –
Freedman: That may be true. However, the history in this case is we come in on the original filed papers. The next time we come in, thee is supplemental declarations and all sorts of other things. The next time we come in, there is supplemental declarations. Today I walk in….
Freedman continues the eight-inch, seven-inch etc stacks of paper that he hasn’t had the opportunity to go through prior to court. Bobb says she’ll mike sure he has time. Freedman says it’s like an ongoing evidentiary chain.
What Korn will face in Adnan’s case. They already surprised him with the CROs to include Jamie and company. He expected the other CROs.
Fantasy. I turned on the oven but I am turning it off.
June 13th, 2009 at 12:04 am
Wait this is witness Geraldine Wyle. C’mon guys. I want to read every page to be thorough. Where do you want to go?
June 13th, 2009 at 12:07 am
Steel. In the beginning, Lutfi may have had her diaries. That was before he said she had been dictating to him.
Lutfi’s got something. Why doesn’t he use it. Extortion? And what happened to that? Seems obvious after seeing arrangements for a financial settlement with Eardley that there was one with Sam too.
Also in the accounting statements put out May there is not of “mediation.”
I am skimming through Wyle looking for Adnan. I can not keep this up all night.
June 13th, 2009 at 12:20 am
Damn, AM. You’re getting good. Real good!
June 13th, 2009 at 12:21 am
The break-in?
June 13th, 2009 at 12:27 am
This reminds me of Chinatown.
June 13th, 2009 at 12:34 am
yes, the break-in. computer was gone.
June 13th, 2009 at 12:35 am
it’s been said she always journals. did he get those too.
June 13th, 2009 at 12:38 am
is the agreement (that we’ve seen) between lutfi and jamie what your talking about….re wexler anderson? or something else?
June 13th, 2009 at 12:39 am
Guys? I am reading some bizarre shyt about the Britney’s Mercedes well at least a Mercedes that Sam had presented as for Britney .. and it’s kind of bizarre contents.
Testimony of Blair Berk. If any of you are up.
Fantasy. I kept the oven on and ate.
June 13th, 2009 at 12:42 am
I’m here AM….take where you want to go.
June 13th, 2009 at 12:42 am
MH. The agreement is between Jamie and Sam from July 2008 and I should write anything about bizarre items in the car. Without being verbatim they included toothpaste, mouthwash, deodorant, and a bag of 10-11 iphones, plus the docs from Eardly.
Sam made contact with Berk in February and March insisting he had sole control over the car and he wanted his items (he didn’t want Berk going through them).
Sorry to paraphrase. Guys, you know something was up with the car but I will type it up soon for you to decide.
Thanks, Steel.
June 13th, 2009 at 12:43 am
>>>Darn right he does.
Ditto
June 13th, 2009 at 12:43 am
Also, Sam may have used CityGal in his harassment of Danny Haines.
June 13th, 2009 at 12:57 am
AM, 20/20 is gonna do a piece on AK/Italy.
June 13th, 2009 at 1:25 am
I’m still here. Just being quiet. Reading along.
I’ll leave it up to you as to where you want to
take us. If you need to break for a few minutes
that’s fine. I’m glad you ate.
Whatever it is Lutfi’s got it must be one helluva
bomb that they’re afraid he’ll drop. Any clues as
to what it may be? Inquiring minds want to know.
You can always go back later on City Gal, etc.
It’s a lot to read through. But whatever you can
present at this moment will be fine. I’m with you.
Hoping my insomnia becomes contagious. ha ha
June 13th, 2009 at 1:31 am
I’ve been here reading along also.
Yup, Sam has something. Who is it more damaging to…Britney OR Jamie and Lynne?
June 13th, 2009 at 1:32 am
or all of them?
Finally we’re here at the same time.
June 13th, 2009 at 1:38 am
QB thanks for the custody info. I don’t think Kevin up custody anytime soon. Power. And money. His child support would go down right?
Fantasy, I like your long post. I’ve thought the same thing about Trawick theory…it looks planned. Dates and pictures coincide with Adnan incidents.
June 13th, 2009 at 1:48 am
Hey Small. How’s it goin’?
Glad you liked my post. I think one thought on
top of another as I write. I hoped it all would
make sense at the end.
Waiting to read what else Amethyst will present
next. I know she can’t go all night. This is
really good stuff. Not gonna turn away now.
June 13th, 2009 at 1:53 am
Poor AM, she’s probably tired.
It’s goin well
The Lakers are up 3-1. Game 5 Friday and I can’t wait.
I know how you feel. I have so many thoughts clashing in my head also.
June 13th, 2009 at 1:54 am
Oops Game 5 Sunday.
June 13th, 2009 at 2:08 am
It’s been over an hour since I’ve heard from
MH, St.Mag, & Amethyst. Hmm. Maybe they’ve
turned in for the night. I’m still hanging out.
Gonna keep it up for a while longer.
June 13th, 2009 at 2:17 am
I’ll check again too. I’ll be up for another hour or 45 minutes.
June 13th, 2009 at 2:28 am
I’m sorry guys. I came up here with a vase, a dozen roses, and the transcript ready to type and I saw my best friend’s name on my cell. Had to pick up.
June 13th, 2009 at 2:29 am
Berk:
I discovered a number of items of personal property both opened and unopened, including as many as 10 or 11 Apple Iphones (punctuation?) in a bag that Mr. Lutfi claimed he had bought and that Ms. Spears had somehow agreed that he keep..
June 13th, 2009 at 2:31 am
Mr. Lutfi repeatedly expressed that he had exlucisve control over that car, and that all of the contents he deemed to be his possessions and was — expressed his fear that I would look at the in the car or investigate the items left in the car before returning them to him.
—
Anyone still up? I apologize. I should have snuck back up here and mentioned the call. I am very sorry.
June 13th, 2009 at 2:35 am
i’m here…
June 13th, 2009 at 2:36 am
About toothpaste etc. Berk
My role was to — I had, based on my other work, inventoried the vehicle and discovered a number of important legal documents to Ms. Briney Spears — addressed to Ms. Britney Spears along with personal possessions of, apparently, somebody I believe to be Mr. Lutfi; mouthwash, and deodorant, and toothpaste, items that he had described as wanting back. And I had inventoried those items to make sure they were returned to Ms. Spears.
Q Did you say Ms. Spears?
A Ms. Spears, Yes.
Q Did you return anything to Mr. Lutfi?
A. I did. I returned only those items that I felt were clearly not property of Ms. Spears.
Guys. This proceeds testimony just above about the phones.
—
There were multiple discussions about this vehicle between Lutfi and Berk.
Berk preceding all of the above:
Yes, Sir. He was extremely agitated about the fact that there had been a car that he had represented to Mercedes that had been requested by Ms. Spears which is a car that he had driven for his on personal use.
June 13th, 2009 at 2:37 am
– the dashes are things the court reporter didn’t catch or hear clearly.
June 13th, 2009 at 2:37 am
AM, AK testified for 7 hrs today.
June 13th, 2009 at 2:41 am
Multiple cell phones
Freedman: this is completely inappropriate… (etc)
Boxer: we’re trying to establish that Mr. Lutfi uses other cell phones and multip;e cell phones. WE have, and we believe you will accept into evidence, telephone records from a slippled cell phone to Ms. Spears.
We’re also not just going under the standard of 527.6 but the elder abuse statute. And we’re also apearing on behalf of the conservator. So if someone has a habit of getting multiple cell phones in his car, I thin it’s — implies at least — infers that you just don’t look at his one telephone number to find out how he contacts people.
– (can this work for me not wanting to type the extraneous?)
Boxer We’re not claiming he stole them.
Freedman This is far afield of anything. There is no establishing the phone numbers.
Fantasy, you up?
June 13th, 2009 at 2:42 am
I’m here AM. Thank you
for all the info.
June 13th, 2009 at 2:47 am
Yep. I’m up. Procede.
June 13th, 2009 at 2:49 am
Elder abuse brought up by plaintiff. hmm.. under Elder Abuse you don’t have to use the mandatory forms… under 527.6
Eardley’s letter comes up again from the car. Berk says she found it opened in an overnight express envelope.
Q Where in the car did you find it? (Diamond I think)
A The letter was — the car had been seized. And the contents of the car — to provide a chain of custody, I had directed that the authorized agent of the car company that seized the car box up any of the context of the car and edeliver them directly to me.
Q Do ou know whether or not britney Spears had access to that vehicle that had been seized?
A I do.
Q Did she?
A She claimed that she had been a passenger in the car but told me that she had never sen any of eh docuemnts including this document that I showed her or been aware of anybody named Jon Eadley.
Diamond Move to strike as being nonresponsive.
Court (Bobb) May I have the question read back?
(read back)
Court The motion to strike is granted.
Q What did you do with exhibit 23?
A I immediately contact Ms. Spears and the state bar because I had never seen a solicitation letter quite as blatant as this. And I wanted to immediately determine whether Ms. Spears had any relationship with this Mr. Eardley, that she desired to have any relationship with him, and knew of any of the contents of this letter or anything that he had previously sent to her.
Berk preserved the letter but doesn’t know what became of the envelope.
Audiotape next. Anybody up?
June 13th, 2009 at 2:51 am
You guys are awake! Yea. Company. Be back in a sec. Just glancing over the audiotape. Not much there.
Oh well, we have mystery (threat?) connection to Florida.
June 13th, 2009 at 2:57 am
Interesting. Is it possible Britney lied to Berk about not knowing what was in the envelope?
Elder abuse…
June 13th, 2009 at 3:00 am
I’m not going back to find out what happened with Kammer and Wyle — it was short whatever it was. Berk was late to trial. Someone was flying in from Florida. Berk? Moving on.
I’m here.
June 13th, 2009 at 3:03 am
Here we go, together, as I read it.
Q and what about the envelope?
A At this time, because it was over a year ago, I don’t recall specifically whether I maintained the envelope in my ofices or sent the envelope with the original letter to probate counsel.
Q You’ve had substantial contact with Britney Spears? (Diamond is asking the questions?)
A I have.
Q Do you know whether or not she orally authorized Mr. Eardley to take any action on his (sic) behalf in connection with a conservatorship in proceedings?
A I do
A And did you ever hear an audiotape of Ms. Spears speaking to Mr. Eardley wherein she authorized him to take action?
June 13th, 2009 at 3:03 am
Question. Sorry. Maybe I outta google it.
Can anyone briefly explain the elder abuse statute
and how does B or her case fall into that.
June 13th, 2009 at 3:04 am
AM, What do you say we get to the AG part tomorrow when everyone is fresh?
June 13th, 2009 at 3:05 am
Nevermind. I’ll google it.
I’ll ask questions later.
June 13th, 2009 at 3:07 am
I think she did a lot of lying to dad and others at the start of the c-ship.
June 13th, 2009 at 3:07 am
I think I’m going to be in the next 10 minutes. I’m getting sleepy. This is good…
June 13th, 2009 at 3:09 am
p124
A No. I — I mean I heard a tape purporting to be that. But from Ms. Spears she has repeatedly told me that she never knew Jon Eardley, wanted him to be her lawyer, or recognized him as a person she had ever met, or desired to have any communication with.
Q (Diamond) Move to strike the last answer as being nonresponsive. (QB, can you help with interpretation here?)
Court Overruled
Q (Diamond) You did hear an audiotape?
A I have — someone leaked — if it’s what you’re referring to, sir, someone either sold or leaked to the tabloid press an audiotape purporting to be Britney Spears speaking — leaving some kind of voice mail message using words that I had never heard her use before. Sio I was never able to verify whether that was Ms. Spears or someone acting as an impostor of Ms. Spears.
Q You heard the actual audio of what purported to be Ms. Spears?
A Again, I — At some point an associate at my office pointed me to a tabloid website (geez R and F us — we are supporters of a tabloid website, just as well) that was purporting to have, possess a voice mail. And that’s the extent of the information that I had that had anything to do with Britney Spears.
June 13th, 2009 at 3:09 am
MT is smiling at AM.
June 13th, 2009 at 3:09 am
I think so too MH.
June 13th, 2009 at 3:15 am
Smile at MT and MH 3:09 a.m.
I’ll finish off Berk.
Guys. So far there is nothing about Adnan save Freedman (check my notes, sorry to be groggy) trying to allege that Adnan was the messenger who delivered the documents to Anderson’s office.
My thoughts, mood? My roses are opening, my husband is singing, I have three pairs of reading glasses up here (only one pair belongs up here), and nothing here is on Adnan.
Query: what other dates are critical to proving no damning evidence was provided to LA Superior Court on Adnan Ghalib?
MH. I don’t think there is going to be anything about Adnan here and I am faithful in what I am reporting. Going for a quick break.
June 13th, 2009 at 3:16 am
I’m fading….
June 13th, 2009 at 3:18 am
Hey everyone good night. I’ve had a long week and it’s catching up to me.
AM, again, thanks
June 13th, 2009 at 3:20 am
>>>Query: what other dates are critical to proving no damning evidence was provided to LA Superior Court on Adnan Ghalib?
Lets just get through the transcrits and take it from there.
June 13th, 2009 at 3:22 am
p124
Blair says she heard the actual audio (B did you visit JFX? the tabloid site?)
Q And did it sound to you as though the person whose voice you heard on the audio was, in fact, the voice of Britney Spears?
Mr. Boxer Objection as to the form of the question, your honor. I don’t think that’s how you identify. (my sic) Does it sound to you like someone who might be Ms. Spears?
Diamond — I’ll rephrase etc.
ew wait sarcasm
Diamond I’ll rephrase the question.
Boxer Thank you, your honor.
Diamond You can thank me too.
Boxer I only speak to the court.
Diamond Well you –
Court Please.
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Q Did it appear to you, based upon your familiarity with the voice of Ms. Spears, that the voice you heard on the audiotape or whatever you heard on teh Internet communication that you just described, did it appear to you that that was the voice of Britney Spears?
A I did not conclude that at that time.
Q Did you conclude that it was not the voice of Britney Spears?
A I did not conclude that at that time eiher.
Q Did you form an opinion as to whether it was the voice of Britney Spears?
The rest reads like the AP report. Hang on I will post it and you decide.
June 13th, 2009 at 3:22 am
AM, I’ve been up since very early this morning…I’m fading.
I’ll see ya in the morning (if you are available then).
Thanks AM.
Hi Adnan.
June 13th, 2009 at 3:30 am
Aww. Everyone is getting sleepy. Bummer.
All right then. Guess it’s quittin’ time.
It’s better that we continue later today.
Thanx 4 everything, Amethyst. Get some rest.
Goodnight girls.
June 13th, 2009 at 3:32 am
It’s hard to wind down. Maybe Fantasy understands. On the other hand she could wake up and here is information. Damn, I am doing that relative thing again. Sorry Fantasy.
Coming up. Berk is established as not being Britney’s attorney. Berk saw her in Boston.
Q (mild paraphrase) — Stuff they talked about in general — back and forth, ask questions, ask her opinion about things, talk about her concert, her business, things like that. Regular conversation.
A You mean is she conscious?
Q Yes
A Yes, she’s conscious in our converstaions.
Q And does she speak to you in your conversations?
A Yes, she responds appropriately. Meaning when I direct communication to her, she responds back.
Q And you’ve been a lawyer for 20 years?
A 18, yeah.
Q and you’ve dealt with witnesses, and defendants, and prosecutions, and lawyers, and so forth, and you’ve been to court many times, have you not?
A I have. And I’ve dealt with those with capacity and without.
Q And with — do you do conservatorships?
Boxer: objection irrelevance your honor
sustained
Q Do you — in your opinion as a well-known experienced and very competent, able attorney, in your opinion is Ms. Spears able to come to court and tell us under oath whether or not she is capable o retaining her own attorney to represent her in this proceeding?
A No, she –
Boxer Objection relevance no foundation right of privacy of a witness –
Court Sustained
Boxer — of the conservatee,
Q (diamond) Did you give –
Boxer. Excuse me. Move to strike the answer, your honor.
Court Yes.
Diamond. I have no further questions.
June 13th, 2009 at 3:34 am
Fantasy. You still up?
June 13th, 2009 at 3:36 am
Oh F. Fantasy. You up? holy shyt
June 13th, 2009 at 3:36 am
Of course I am. If you’re getting drowsy you can
stop and come back later today. But, yeah.
I’m wide awake.
June 13th, 2009 at 3:39 am
Holy shyt what?! Is there more you wanna share?
June 13th, 2009 at 3:42 am
A.Mine, you up? Hel-lo…
June 13th, 2009 at 3:42 am
Yep. Here. Hang on. It’s worth it.
June 13th, 2009 at 3:44 am
you’re a big tease lol
June 13th, 2009 at 3:44 am
OK.
June 13th, 2009 at 3:46 am
Berk stated that Britney complained about her to her.
Q (Freedman) And why was she complaining about you?
A She was complaining about – well, there were multiple ocassions that she was complaining about me (Berk).
What subjects? (Freedman)
My desire to make sure that she regularly saw her psychiatrist. My –
Boxer Your honor, the question is so open ended we’re getting into witness — conservatee’s right of privacy here. Could we have some limitations on this?
Court yeah
Boxer We’re getting into medial and other potential issue, and I’m concerned about the protection of the conservatee (Fantasy, it’s late, rolling my eyes is fine right)
more
June 13th, 2009 at 3:47 am
I was suppose to be going to bed LMAO…
June 13th, 2009 at 3:48 am
Fine with me. Roll em.
June 13th, 2009 at 3:49 am
lol me too
June 13th, 2009 at 3:50 am
Court Can you narrow your question?
Boxer I don’t mind leading — or partial leading here or at least focused questions, your honor.
Freedman. Sure.
Q Were you aware that she ever complained that she couldn’t trust you? (so tempting to bold this question)
A Yes, we talked about it often.
Q Were you aware that she complained to other people and said that she couldn’t trust you?
A I was only aware from my conversations with Ms. Spears that I had repeatedly made clear to her that she was very ably represent by Mr. Ingham, and that I was not someone who she should seek counsel, or legal advice, or legal work from because of my attorney-client relationship with the convervator in the case. And that she should always seek counsel from Mr. Ingham.
June 13th, 2009 at 3:53 am
good job AM.
goodnight.
June 13th, 2009 at 3:53 am
Q It’s true she was concerned about her representation; isn’t the correct?
A She was — (damn it) No, that’s not correct.
Q She wanted different representation?
A She repeatedly asked me if I could represent her and not her father. She never expressed that as being dissatisfied or unhappy with her representation by Mr. Ingham only that she wanted me in addition to Mr. Ingham.
Then there is chit chat about trusting Berk and Boxer objects and says already answered then it moves on to questions about Berk ever having represented Lutfi.
June 13th, 2009 at 3:57 am
Goodnight this time for real
June 13th, 2009 at 4:02 am
Repeated movement by Freedman as to whether or not Blair Berk ever represented Lutfi.
And I think this is goodnight. Berk finally answers the question. She did represent him.
Witness In communications with him (Lutfi) alerting him that I was about to secure a restraining order against him and asking him to stipulate instead to that order, I offered him what I felt was on his behalf a way to quietly resolve the conflict without seeking the assistance of a court.
(questions about was Berk aware of Britney asking Lutfi for help. Berk says no)
Q Did you ever offer to help Mr. Lutfi with the media?
A With the media?
Q Yes
A No. I — there was — there was a character named Michael Sands who had variously threatened me and purported to be Mr. Lutfi’s publicist. But I — But only in the effort to secure protection of Ms. Spears without resorting to going to the court and having Mr. Lutfi stipulate to a restraining order which he did, I never discussed the media with him.
Freedman. Move to strike. Nonresponsive.
Court Overruled.
Berk is either telling the truth or playing dumb. What, who me, help Sam with the media? What do you mean? Freedman is Lutfi’s attorney asking these questions.
This is enough for tonight. Fantasy. I will wait to say goodnight to you. p137
June 13th, 2009 at 4:03 am
Aww again. Maybe you should really save what’s
left for later. Whatcha think, Amethyst?
June 13th, 2009 at 4:06 am
Did we roll some ganja? Wonder if it’s time for a singapore sling.
You guys are near and dear. Best I think if I read and I just type as I discover information we have never heard.
Fantasy. Do you finally understand, “I’m your Huckleberry?”
Geez. I thought the whole day was about Christina Lutfi with Berk’s dismissal of the tape thrown in.
Adnan is not in these papers. Only Lutfi’s attorney so far has made him look involved.
June 13th, 2009 at 4:07 am
That’s cool. Good night. I’m logging out. Later.
June 13th, 2009 at 4:08 am
Good night, Fantasy! I’m wired.
June 13th, 2009 at 4:09 am
If you are up I’ll keep going.
June 13th, 2009 at 4:21 am
I can tell that you’re wired. LOL
It’s up to you. I was gonna try to see if I
can get a couple hours of sleep and come back
when I wake up. Everyone else is sleeping.
I was gonna copy them is all.
I think I’ll try. If I’m unsuccessful I’ll be
back. As of now I’m still hangin’ out.
I can’t bring myself to click “logout”.
What a struggle. I just can’t. ha ha
I think I’m gonna try to logout and not refresh.
TTYL. (I think?)
June 13th, 2009 at 4:28 am
Dang! I hit refresh AGAIN.
Does Amapola live in Europe?
Sometimes she leaves early morning posts.
If you wait up a few hours more she may be here.
Now I’m logging out. We’ll talk when the sun has
come up on both coasts. It’s been fun! G’nite.
June 13th, 2009 at 4:35 am
What? Berk represented Lutfi?
What the hell is that about?
Ok so I have sleep issues too.
June 13th, 2009 at 4:41 am
Hi, Fantasy. I was going to write some post about being wicked wired and does anyone know a competitor to Holly Shakoor who would sing?
I learned quick — Gee, what a privilege to have an email. Not.
I don’t feel alone either in judging media coverage. Shakoor did no return phone calls or email.
G’nite Fantasy. I don’t want to read any more of this thing tonight. Not alone anyway.
Ama is in Europe yes. Some place small where she worries about others discovering her location. We don’t need to know where she is. Ama. I haven’t posted any articles. Can you do anything in three languages with what I have posted?
I’m using my intuition and logic here: Adnan is not in these documents. F.
Fantasy you asked about Adnan, his attorney and not avoiding service. He didn’t have an attorney that I know of until Ram was involved. We do there was a story of him being served at the same address and being half dressed.
Someone knew where he lived and it was a plausible story in retrospect. Do you honestly not get the Huckleberry thing? I’ll do it is what I am saying. I’ll stand up. I’ll be the one to answer the bullie’s charge. Be mindful of the character though. He drank, he gambled, but he was precise.
I would never wish insomnia on anyone but tonight would be a good night. p137
What did you guys make of the items in the Mercedes? Some opened, not opened…. and a bag of Apple Iphones (why so precise on the brand?)
June 13th, 2009 at 4:46 am
Correction: the story of Adnan being served at AZLynn’s and half dressed is old and precedes the Ram incident.
I hate bees but I feel a buzzing …. of…. Go to sleep! Take measures anyway.
I’m reeling some on Berk’s testimony of Britney seeking help from Berk and trying to depose Jamie Spears. Berk’s testimony was April 2009. This is independent news, no bias, just fact. There is a magnitude to this pitiful askance of Berk.
Ama. Please way in. Aren’t you drinking your coffee or hot yak herd milk and butter by now?
June 13th, 2009 at 4:46 am
Correction: Ama. Please weigh in.
June 13th, 2009 at 9:10 am
I’m here…lol
June 13th, 2009 at 9:13 am
AM, I read your posts and mind was whirling.
Man, did I miss a lot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EH2OF8wMYlY
June 13th, 2009 at 9:14 am
*my mind*
June 13th, 2009 at 9:27 am
Amethyst Mine Says:
June 13th, 2009 at 12:02 am
Side note from Freedman, “Everytime I walk into this courtroom, I get another box of documents. I get another batch of declarations. I get another stack of things. When I’m prepared for one thing, I get another thing. And I — I think it’s outrageous. What is going on? They should be putting forth — ”
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
AM, this is what sent my mind reeling. Without saying to much…This is a known tactic. That 6-year doc I was working on? This is EXACTLY what happened. My subject was suing the gov’t/police/various people, and to keep him down, they dragged it out for 8 years by repeatedly doing things like not giving him documents, then giving them a truckload of documents all at once, then trying to have his lawyer disbarred, then switching up their own lawyers, then flooding them with more documents…
The phrasing “I don’t recall,” and “I don’t specifically recall,” and “I don’t recall specifically” came up over and over during testimony.
Wow. Too many similarities.
June 13th, 2009 at 9:36 am
Amethyst Mine Says:
June 13th, 2009 at 3:53 am
A She repeatedly asked me if I could represent her and not her father. She never expressed that as being dissatisfied or unhappy with her representation by Mr. Ingham only that she wanted me in addition to Mr. Ingham.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Nice work, AM.
June 13th, 2009 at 9:44 am
What better way to make the public think differently than with a photo?
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/bizarre/usa/1719369/Britney-Spears-is-smiling-again-at-charity-polo-event.html
June 13th, 2009 at 9:51 am
Interesting that the Criminal Defense Attorney – now representing Jamie – is the first person given access to Britney’s possessions once she enters the hospital on the 5150.
At what point was Berk hired by Jamie?
Was Berk still representing Britney when she searched the Mercedes? Or Jamie?
What date did she “switch clients”?
June 13th, 2009 at 9:54 am
Good morning MH & St.Mag!
Small, you up? What about the anonymous lurkers?
Listen. Before Amethyst comes back could someone
please, if you know and don’t mind, explain what
ganga is. (Is that pot?) And explain the whole
Huckleberry thing too. I really tried to stay
quiet and read and not interrupt with questions.
I’ll find out the elder abuse statute thing myself
but I need those other to things defined. Briefly.
June 13th, 2009 at 9:54 am
When Brit sprung herself from Promises in February 2007, Berk was the first person she went to. She clearly has a lot of trust in Berk.
And now Berk works for Jamie. He took that from her.
Geez, how does she hold it together?
June 13th, 2009 at 10:37 am
Mash up!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aifeXlnoqY
vs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8NNmJbpRXs&feature=related
June 13th, 2009 at 10:41 am
LOL @ anonymous lurkers
June 13th, 2009 at 10:42 am
As for Huckleberries…
That’s AM-speak. I’m not even sure about that one. LOL
June 13th, 2009 at 10:48 am
I’m lost on who AK is. But I’ll figure it out.
June 13th, 2009 at 10:51 am
# Amethyst Mine Says:
June 13th, 2009 at 4:41 am
and a bag of Apple Iphones (why so precise on the brand?)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I’m ASSuming these were Brit’s phones…the ones she kept “misplacing” the chargers for. But why would Lutfi keep them?
For the phone numbers, photos and video stored on them, I’m guessing.
June 13th, 2009 at 11:54 am
http://www.urbandictionary.com
June 13th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
I’ll go with the top definitions of “huckleberry.” LOL
June 13th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
finally wording that sounds a bit nicer….
—a whirlwind passionate involvement with paparazzo Adnan Ghalib,
if they are dating…settled sounds about right.
—the pop singer settled for her agent Jason Trawick.
http://geniusbeauty.com/celebrity-gossip/britney-spears-agent-flame-boyfriend/
June 13th, 2009 at 12:43 pm
Bleh. On the ol’ Steel Magnolia Hot-O-Meter, Adnan’s got him beat. By a long shot.
I don’t believe these two are even dating. Looks like a paid companion to me. But what do I know?
June 13th, 2009 at 12:47 pm
>>>She clearly has a lot of trust in Berk.
not anymore.
>>>A She repeatedly asked me if I could represent her and not her father. She never expressed that as being dissatisfied or unhappy with her representation by Mr. Ingham only that she wanted me in addition to Mr. Ingham.
ATTN JUDGE….wake up.
June 13th, 2009 at 12:48 pm
I was just happy to see a bit nicer wording.
June 13th, 2009 at 12:50 pm
buzz buzz buzz buzz
AM, the alarm is buzzing, it’s time to wake up and get to work.
June 13th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
Damn, I hate alarm clocks. Let me hit snooze for a few, have some caffeine.
Fantasy. You couldn’t have interrupted if you wanted. I was typing fast.
Steel, did I say something about an AK?
I’ll try to get more of the testimony out then eventually go back and get more statements pertaining to the “disorder” of the exhibits.
Out of everything I typed last night, my mind is reeling over Berk’s testimony. It’s been one thing to hear of Brit’s unhappiness in the tabloids, and through Eardley, Lutfi and then those voice mails but Blair Berk?
Steel. I was wondering if Blair Berk even worked for Britney in Feb 2007. We only thought she was right because the paps filmed her going there or told us that is where she was?
Back in about 45 minutes. Steel. lol at the lurkers indeed. Can you meanwhile point me to mention of AK?
Fantasy. I would be more explicit about a huckleberry — it is my-speak on this one matter. I would be explicit but for the lurkers. MT understands what I mean. He wrote brava. It doesn’t matter otherwise. If you look at everything I did to get the evidence and then to post it and things I have written of late … that should be enough. ‘k? No secret. It was a promise.
June 13th, 2009 at 1:51 pm
AK is Amanda Knox. The US girl being tried in Italy.
June 13th, 2009 at 2:03 pm
AK then is another case I look at from time to time. She’s another girl in trouble but it’s interesting to look at the media and also the trolls on the boards. You remember from your experience on the missing girl and your discovery of other boards where people analyze cases, etc. I’ll bet you found some haters there too.
Amanda wanted to testify in Italian because she didn’t trust the translator. I guess it was a big day the other day between English and Italian, becoming upset with the translator then Amanda I guess glared and spoke aloud in Italian.
Remember my ***** hanging out but the rest was not provided by the media in Britney’s case? The same is true in something that Amanda said that circled the globe and if they had included the full thought it wasn’t damning or self-incriminating at all.
I am suppose to be drinking coffee. Did Fantasy get all of her questions answered? Fantasy here’s one last go. A huckleberry is a friend. How’s that.
June 13th, 2009 at 2:41 pm
under the weather and very little sleep…back to bed, i’ll catch up later.
June 13th, 2009 at 2:48 pm
MH, sorry you are not feeling well. It is nice to see less damaging characterization of Adnan. Maybe a message I left for Jason was a help. Who knows but I told him (or his assistant, whoever picked up his voice mail) what I thought the campaign is being used for.
Would anyone agree that this is a campaign driven by Camp Spears? Holly has done nothing to dispel the rumor nor said anything about the topless photos.
Let me figure out where I stopped last night. I just wanted to let anyone here know I am resuming now.
June 13th, 2009 at 2:58 pm
I didn’t understand Freedman’s line of questioning as to Berk doing anything on behalf of Lutfi. Also, Berk is unaware of any phone calls from Britney to Lutfi? ‘I actually am not.’
I’ll have to go back but which attorney billed for time discussing the media with Anderson?
Moving on. Anybody out there?
June 13th, 2009 at 3:11 pm
A-Mine, you’re too funny.
I keep thinking any moment now you’re gonna
do a roll call to see who’s present and who’s
absent. Yes, my questions have been answered.
Except for the meaning of ganga. But that’s ok.
Do you like your new nickname? A-Mine?
Am and Ama are so similar to me. And I get tired
of writing out Amethyst. I don’t recall ever
using the full name Amethyst Mine.
So, yep, I’m here waiting for you to pick up
from where you left off. Do you think QB is out
there following along? I do. I just know it.
QB, if you want to make it known that you’re out
there you sure can. But if you choose not to
that’s cool too. Whatever makes you happy.
A-Mine. Have you started yet?
June 13th, 2009 at 3:12 pm
AM-
These transcripts are amazing. I have just been sitting back and reading everything. I thought it was funny how Lutfi’s attorney was asking Berk about Brit and how when they talk she is conscious and responds appropriately but at the same time she does not believe Brit has capacity.
This capacity issue really needs to be addressed at same point. Wright’s attorney were really pushing to have Brit deposed but the case was conviently settled.
Keep the transcrips coming AM. I can’t wait to read what else happened.
June 13th, 2009 at 3:17 pm
Told ya so! I knew you were there, QB.
Hey! What’s up? Glad you’re here.
June 13th, 2009 at 3:24 pm
Here is what I think. I think Brit from day 1 has been trying to get someone other than Ingham to represent her. Eardley was definitely an option in the beginning. I’m not sure about Anderson but we know for a fact that Brit asked Berk to represent her and of course she could not because of the capacity issue.
Poor Brit what is she to do. No one can really help unless Goetz modifies her order.
When this whole conservatorship is over Brit has the power to speak freely I would not be surprised if she has from the beginning doing things to undermine the conservatorship.
June 13th, 2009 at 3:39 pm
p137 More questions about Berk and the media — Berk takes the stance I would like to help you but I am not sure what you are asking. Freedman moves into asking about whether Lutfi signed a confidentiality agreement.
Q and did he sign one?
A He told me that he had already signed one
Q Did he sign the confidentiality agreement that you were asking him to sign?
A He told me that he would, and then he called me back and told me that he would not.
Q Did he sign it?
A I don’t know.
Freedman At this time, maybe we could mark as Exhibit A an email exchange.
Bobb You know, we have an a (stet!)that was withdrawn, so let’s use Exhibit B.
Freedman B. Counsel, I don’t have too many copies.
Berk confirms her email address in the exhibit. Paraphrase, Berk confirms she received the email from Lutfi 5:12 p.m. on March 12, 2008
Q Do you see where Mr. Lutfi says, E was running some negative story about me concerning items allegedly found when removed from my car. Figured I’d ask you for some advice on how to handle these types of blackmail tactics. Do you recall that statement?
A I don’t recall, but now that I’m refreshed to the email I do.
Q Okay. And did you offer–is it true that you did offer to find out what the E story was about and if there is one on his behalf?
Wexler. It’s compound. Whether she offered and whether the second part is on his behalf, there is two different issues.
restates Q
Is it true that you wrote, do you want me to find out what the E story is about and if there is one?
A: Absolutely. (correction Or if there is one?)
Affirms she wrote it.
Q Did you — on January 10 you received a series of — January 10, 2009, you received a series of text messages from Mr. Lutfi; is that correct?
(establishes email and phone communications)
Berk says she was unaware that Mr. Spears had told Lutfi to contact her. Meanwhile, Berk was trying to go on a rare romantic date with her husband to the movies so she asked Lutfi to stop contacting her. (didn’t she bill for her time that night?)
(Steel, there continues to be upsets with the exhibits and numbers etc. There was mention of apologies from Camp Spears and that they wouldn’t use the same system in the future. They said it was a mistake. Anyway, we’re back to the alphabet over numbers)
Court: You can make it your C. Even if it’s duplicative, we’ll have it.
Freedman: Unfortunately I don’t have copies.
Court: I’ll look for it.
Boxer: I would be pleading tab number 6 your honor.
(Steel I am including this sidebar stuff so you can see what’s going on from your perspective and experience in that 8 yr case)
Boxer. It’s in the other book.
Freedman. The one on the right.
Freedman redirects after Berk asks if he wants her to read aloud.
Q. Are you familiar with Jamie Spears’ signature?
A. No.
Court: I don’t have whatever it is that you — it’s the email that’s attached to –
F. It’s actually– No.
Court: It’s text –
F. It’s a declaration of Jamie Spears.
finally– F and B go back and forth as to when and how B became aware on the 10th that Mr. Spears had directed Lutfi to get in touch with B. Lutfi did not mention any disturbing messages that he might have received. The following is stet (exactly how it is written as to Ms. or Mr. Spears)
A. No. He told me that he had grave concerns about unflattering information true information that Ms. Spears had and was about to expose. And that if I didn’t stop her from doing that, he would — he would not be able to stop hurtful information about Ms. Spears and her father Jamie from getting out.
Freedman moves to strike. He wanted a yes or no answer. Boxer says: I think a vague question gets a vague answer.
moving on — Freedman asks whether Lutfi mentioned anything about a negative letter about him being published. Berk says he never said anything about it Jan 10. Freedman tries to establish when Lutfi had last communicated with Mr. Spears. B didn’t know then mentions attorney-client privileges.
Prior to Jan 10
A. He would frequently attempt to communicate with me, but I had refused to respond based on his agreement to stay away over the summer. And I know that I did communicate with him over the summer at some point, but I couldn’t tell you specifically when.
(Britney contacted Berk in late December, early January because she was aware that Lutfi was attempting to contact her hairdresser. Then Freedman makes mention that Berk clearly wants to testify, i.e., he wants yes no answers I guess and she says more than that so he moves to strike again and again — Lutfi tried to call Berk in late December early January. Berk knows because his name would come up on her cell phone and she did not answer)
Q You indicated that you met Sam Lutfi — or you first met him in March — February, March of 2008; is that correct?
A. I believe it was close in time to Ms. Spears’ hospitalization, around that period. And I can not recall today whether it was earlier than that time. But I certainly communicated with them (stet) around that time.
[the stets are mine to indicate exact wording. Maybe Berk meant him but she said them according to the transcript but court reporters are not without the occasional error)
Here we go guys:
Q Do you know whether or not Ms. Spears has tried to communicate with Adnan Ghalib?
A When?
Q In the past three months?
A No I am not aware.
Q You’re not aware of any communication?
A I am not aware of any communication.
(Freedman produces a document Exhibit D — Ingham asks to see it. It is one page. Freedman asks to borrow Boxer’s copy. The court tells people they are going 15 minutes more and Boxer reminds people that they have a witness at 2 p.m. from New Zealand by telephone. Bobb says “Off the record” and has a private discussion — I don’t know with whom)
Q Are you familiar with the address 120 —
Boxer: Wait. Wait.
Freedman: I’m going —
Court: Yes.
Freedman: — say —
Court: Come on. We don’t —
Freedman: I’m not going –
Court: It’s unnecessary. You can show the document to the witness.
(lunch is here I’ll be right back. what the hell is coming I don’t know! I am learning it as you are, real time)
June 13th, 2009 at 3:58 pm
Hi, guys! Fantasy. Gangja is dope. You were right. We had a virtual smoke fest one evening with ice cold Coronas. Steel had just done some major sleuthing on some MT clues. MT gave her a beer. I whined jealously.
Anyway, it’s not a roll call but if I had known you guys were here I would have kept the posts shorter and kept them coming more frequently.
QB. So glad you are there. Guys what do you think of the media never telling us (dare we say concealed?) that Britney didn’t want her dad and finally went to Berk to try to get her?) I am still not sure about Igham but a public affairs office spoke warmly when she said, “He has her best interests in mind.”
Who knows. I am glad you guys are here and thanks for being vocal with support. It sucks to be the typist and I apologize for errors. You should see my poor office. Documents, articles, everywhere and now two transcripts in hand.
Moving on.
June 13th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
Fantasy. How about Adnan’s name for me? Ame.
A-Mine is the lurkers’ name – Abandoned Mine. I’m not sure why they liked that name. It didn’t seem catchy at all and they just went to AM anyhow so…no matter. All in the past.
So, Ame, please?
June 13th, 2009 at 4:01 pm
QB. Did Berk say anything about capacity in context to Britney wanting her to be her conservator over her dad? It’s sad that she only saw another conservator as her way out. I wonder when that was… after the perm c-ship?
June 13th, 2009 at 4:04 pm
Ame is cooler.
June 13th, 2009 at 4:13 pm
p149
Freedman is laying down a foundation he says. It’s unclear whether two photocopied documents belong to each other.
Berk testifies that she never got a Christmas card from Britney.
Berk is unsure whether she recognizes an address on the left-hand side of (of what????)
I feel like we are on a jackrabbit rollercoast.
F.
The witness: I can’t decipher the name on the front, the first name. I’m familiar with the second name, but i can’t tell whether that’s Adam (stet) or what that is on the first.
Q (Freedman) Are you familiar with the name Adnan Ghalib?
A I am indeed.
Q Are you aware of whether or not Ms. Spears sent Adnan Ghalib a Christmas card in December 2008?
A I am not.
Q Have you ever heard from anyone that Ms. Spears sent Adnan Ghalib a Christmas card?
A I have not.
Q Have you ever heard from anyone that Britney Spears was crying out for Sam Lutfi’s help?
A No. Exactly the opposite of that.
Q Have you ever hear from anyone that Britney Spears left four telephone messages on Sam Lutfi’s machine asking for help?
Court: What’s the time period that you’re in, counsel?
Freedman: In the period of December or January — December 2008, January 2009.
Q Freedman: Have you ever heard from anyone that Britney Spears left a voice mail message on Sam Lutfi’s machine asking him for help in January 2009?
(hey, should we tell the exhalers this transcript is unfolding here?)
A No, I am not. No, I am not.
(no further questions by Freedman and Boxer. Begin further cross-exam)
June 13th, 2009 at 4:13 pm
They must have been looking at an envelope and a Christmas card?
June 13th, 2009 at 4:15 pm
Fantasy. I about fainted when he called me that.
June 13th, 2009 at 4:17 pm
R. If you are out there. Here comes the smack. Guys I will type faithfully but the preview I think is setting up Adnan.
To get a Christmas card through? I think they put Adnan’s name and address on the outside of the card.
R. or Linda. … I hope you may interject.
ok, quick break guys. I need to look at the restraining orders for Adnan’s address — he lives or lived in Encino I thought, not Beverly Hills.
June 13th, 2009 at 4:23 pm
“I think they put Adnan’s name and address on the
outside of the card.”
Question. Why would Britney send Adnan a Christmas
card? Adnan is a Muslim. Muslim’s don’t celebrate
Christmas.
Sorry, Ame. Procede.
June 13th, 2009 at 4:32 pm
if it ain’t broke don’t fix it…i’m sticking with AM
June 13th, 2009 at 4:36 pm
Nevermind. I can’t stand the suspense.
Diamond. The last exhibit you were shown by Mr. Freedman, Exhibit D, do you have that in front of you, Ms. Berk?
A Yes, sir.
Q That has an address at the top. I’m not sure if that address is confidential or not.
Court: It is.
Q It’s — okay. It’s on — it has a Beverly Hills address.
Court: She sees the address.
Q Okay.
Court: The court sees it, it’s exhibit D.
Q Okay. Is that the same address on the return envelope that is on exhibit 23, the letter from Mr. Eardley to Ms. Spears? (Britney Spears’ address is 12094 Summit Circle, Beverly Hills, CA)
A Yes it — yes, it appears to be.
Q So the address on the Eardley letters on Ms. Spears’ Exhibit 23 is the same address as the return address from Ms. Spears to Mr. Ghalib which is Exhibit D; is that right? (Exhibit 23 reads Letter form J. Eardley to B. Spears — source: index in transcript)
A I believe — well, I don’t know that it’s from Ms. Spears. But the two documents have the same address on them.
Q Now with respect to exhibit 23, do you recognize the address on exhibit 23 as being Ms. Spears’ address?
A What I was trying to explain before is I’ve been to that location of her house many times. But I — as I sit here, I would not be honest if I said I remembered the exact street number.
Q But the street name is the same?
A Yes, sir, it is.
Q So it appears to you to be the same?
A It does appear to me to be the same.
Q So with respect to exhibit 23, do you have any reason to believe that that Fed Ex letter sent by Mr. Eardley, dated January 20, 2008, was not received at the address indicated on the letter?
Objection. Calls for Speculation. (Boxer)
Court: Yeah. We have no evidence that it was mailed.
Boxer: We have evidence that it ended up in the car.
Court: Well, a copy of itt is in the car, but that’s all we know.
Q Diamond. it was a Fed-Ex envelope of an overnight envelope, right?
A It was some kind of overnight express, yes.
Q And you say you have the envelope, you preserved it?
A I did at the time, yes.
Q So we would be able to tell from the envelope whether, in fact, it was really utilized by Mr. Eardley and whether or not it was used to deliver a letter to –
Court: Your question is if we had the envelope we would be able to say whether it was actually mailed?
Diamond: Yes
The court: probably so.
Q (Diamond) Yes. And you say –
Court: But she does not have the envelope.
Q What did you do with the envelope?
A I’m not sure at this time.
Q Is it your contention that the envelope was never used to actually send the letter dated January 20, 2008 to Ms. Spears?
Boxer. She’s not an advocate. She is a witness. She remembers seeing a copy — of an original of this in a car used by Mr. Lutfi. That’s all the evidence we have.
Diamond: She’s more than a witness. You complained —
Court: Just a moment. Was there any evidence on the envelope that it had been mailed, actually mailed?
(Break. What does a Christmas card and Adnan have to do with this line of questioning?)
June 13th, 2009 at 4:42 pm
read faster….
type faster…..
kidding AM, just wanting more, you get it.
June 13th, 2009 at 4:50 pm
I do. I know. But I had to take a break. I am taut.
I feel this is critical to our case so I want to transcribe it word for word. I don’t want to interpret anything when it comes to Adnan. Also, I might well forward this thread to someone who could us it. So I want it intact.
Patience please.
June 13th, 2009 at 4:56 pm
I’m with you AM.
June 13th, 2009 at 4:56 pm
The judge asks about canceled stamps. Berk recalls seeing stamps, “you know, some kind of markings, and one of those slips filled out on the front of it.”
Boxer – PP (can we use that to indicate paraphrase pls?) it’s an overnight letter so it wouldn’t have any stamps.
back and forth about stamps bla bla but was the letter received at the home of Britney?
A According to Mr. Lutfi, he took the letter from her home and placed it in his vehicle.
Berk has a reason to believe that it was not delivered to Britney. Moving on.
Q And the envelope would be the best evidence of whether it was delivered or not; isn’t that right, Ms. Berk?
A. No, it is not. Because Mr. Lutfi related to me that he had taken mail delivered to Ms. Spears and not given it to Ms. Spears and taken possession of it himself.
June 13th, 2009 at 5:00 pm
Q And that would been at Ms. Spears’s home?
A Yes sir.
Q So at least know that it arrived (sic)? at Ms. Spears home; isn’t that right, Ms. Berk?
moving on
Q and you yourself called the State bar to complain about Mr. Eardley?
A No. I called the state bar to inquire and refresh myself about sending a potential client an unsolicited request for representation.
Berk didn’t make a formal complaint to the bar. She asked probate counsel to do that.
Diamond now refers to Adam Streisand in general as a lawyer from Loeb and Loeb who had a lawyer appear in the conservator probate court.
June 13th, 2009 at 5:02 pm
QB. What is 352 please? Boxer and the others keep using that after objection.
They are off to recess. Berk says she wasn’t specifically aware of anyone from Loeb and Loeb appearing on behalf of Britney. Diamond drops it and says he has no further questions.
June 13th, 2009 at 5:06 pm
They come back from lunch and decide to take the call from New Zealand. Bobb says, “We’ll need a time estimate on the Wilson matter. If you could talk and give me a time estimate, and I will take the Wilson matter after I finish with this one witness.”
Skimming big time but not before Freedman says, ‘Again, I object that these exhibits that I’ve never seen before that were just handed to us.” Boxer had just given the judge three new exhibits.
Wexler: There may be one number for Mr. Richards and one number for Mr. Neiman (this is to New Zealand? Who is Neiman?)
I am meanwhile not showing any witness named Wilson.
June 13th, 2009 at 5:12 pm
Not so fast. So much for the media saying Lutfi didn’t show up for cross-examination.
Boxer: Your honor, while we’re waiting. With respect to the ex-parte on Mr. Lutfi, the parties have reached an understanding that we were advised by his counsel that he’s not going to be called as a witness, and we’re not going to pursue any type of bench warrant to compel his testimony.
Freedman: That’s reserving our continued objection that we believe the court is required to consider Mr. Lutfi’s declaration notwithstanding the fact that he may not be called as a witness.
Court: without being able to be cross-examined?
Freedman: without being able to be cross-examined.
Freedman has to show the judge how someone can present a declaration but not be available for cross-examination.
Boxer: Your honor, you actually ruled on this when I asked for declarations. And we actually — that’s why we ended up getting someone from New Zealand on court calls.
Freedman points to the “Schraer case” and points to a transcript he is holding from Feb 25th.
Can we stop for a moment? What the hell was said or established about Adnan? Did you all get it?
June 13th, 2009 at 5:14 pm
ok, they are fighting out the cross-exam issue and then Stuart Richards calls in and they drop the other matter for the moment.
June 13th, 2009 at 5:16 pm
I’m not typing any more until I hear from you. (liar, you know you will)
June 13th, 2009 at 5:35 pm
Freedman tried to pin Adnan as the messenger of
the signed documents. But Anderson didn’t even
know who Adnan is. Failed.
Freedmam tries to get Berk to say that the
address on the Christmas card that Britney
supposedly sent to Adnan was the same as that on
the letter Eardley sent to Britney. Berk says she
didn’t know if it was FROM Britney but yet the
2 documents do have the same address. Again
Freedman fails to connect Adnan to anything.
I don’t see what Adnan has to do with anything
at all. How does Adnan get grouped with Lutfi and
Eardley for conspiring to undermine the c-ship?
Anderson has never heard of him and Berk can’t
say the Christmas card was really sent from
Britney to Adnan. They have nothing on him.
Nothing whatsoever.
Can one sue for false accusations? Man, I get that
Adnan and Korn chose not to fight the TRO but
dang it, I think they could have won. There’s a
3 year PRO against him. And for what?
Can anyone tell me why other than that he didn’t
appear in court was the PRO granted.
I can’t believe this shizz.
June 13th, 2009 at 5:44 pm
fan, even if B sent A the card it has nothing to do with A as far as being a negative factor.
June 13th, 2009 at 5:46 pm
>>>(liar, you know you will)
oh shit, what did you read.
i’m sure he’s reading here.
June 13th, 2009 at 5:49 pm
check the emotions.
stay focused.
June 13th, 2009 at 5:58 pm
Merrrry Christmas!
June 13th, 2009 at 6:00 pm
Yeah, I’m missing out on why a Christmas card sent from B to A would have anything to do with a letter sent from Eardley to B.
Just a way to get A’s name into the record? Or am I just not connecting the dots?
June 13th, 2009 at 6:04 pm
Fantasy Says:
June 13th, 2009 at 4:23 pm
Question. Why would Britney send Adnan a Christmas
card? Adnan is a Muslim. Muslim’s don’t celebrate
Christmas.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
When I send Christmas cards I usually buy a box or two and send out a stack of them all on the same day. What better way to sneak a communication to A than to send a Christmas card?
June 13th, 2009 at 6:07 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
June 13th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
Steel. lol at the lurkers indeed. Can you meanwhile point me to mention of AK?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I just know that I can check who’s visited my Web site by the IP addresses that turn up in the stats. Boy, I’d sure love to see the list of IP’s that show up to read these threads! LOL
AK…Was mentioned by MH last night as you typed. I’d never heard the name before. I just haven’t seen it come up in the media here.
June 13th, 2009 at 6:13 pm
>>> Or am I just not connecting the dots?
so far there are no dots to connect. so, no, you’re doing fine.
June 13th, 2009 at 6:25 pm
MH, it wasn’t anything I read. I’ve been looking for an email address, couldn’t find it, but made a call anyway.
Meanwhile, did you guys miss out on what might be Jamie confiscates Britney’s mail? Her love notes to her lover?
What did they prove? That the sender’s address was the same one that the letter from Eardley was addressed to. Right? Surely there was an easier way to prove this so what gives? QB, need you for a moment. In a TRO case does the prosecution have to provide their list of witnesses and exhibits ahead of time? In other words, who submitted the Christmas card and what for?
Was that part of their evidence they might have used against Adnan? Shaking my head. I am going to make another search for the email address and then I will transcribe more of the testimony. We’re on p 168 so not too much more.
I wasn’t going to bother with Stuart but then I realize, hey wait, don’t we want to know all about Lutfi?
Okay, back to Adnan being named in the TROs. MT said cruise control. Lutfi declared that he had talked to Adnan. Voila, Adnan is gonna be the Fall Guy.
June 13th, 2009 at 6:29 pm
Respondent’s exhibits:
A Unsigned nomination of Legal Cousel
B Series of emails between B. Berk and S. Lutfi
C Declaration of James Spears
D Photocopy of envelope and Christmas pictures
June 13th, 2009 at 6:31 pm
Steel. I have mentioned AK a few times. It probably just wasn’t of much interest.
June 13th, 2009 at 6:43 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
June 13th, 2009 at 6:25 pm
Meanwhile, did you guys miss out on what might be Jamie confiscates Britney’s mail? Her love notes to her lover?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I totally missed that. But that makes sense. I couldn’t figure out how Adnan’s Christmas card got into the hands of Jamie’s lawyers. But them intercepting the card before it was mailed makes sense.
So we haven’t heard about what was written in the card yet. Hmmm.
June 13th, 2009 at 6:45 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
June 13th, 2009 at 6:31 pm
Steel. I have mentioned AK a few times. It probably just wasn’t of much interest.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
To be honest, I haven’t even read this whole thread. I just jumped back in mid-stream.
How long was I even gone for? I don’t even know.
June 13th, 2009 at 6:48 pm
MH. The only emotion I am feeling right now is hating myself. I forgive myself for my early disorganization but it’s frustrating me now.
Meanwhile, god only knows the random shizz that can help us.
MT – October 2008
Using the bishops to oust a knight, good move but too safe. Or is it the only move available. The Queen was wide open for the taking but serious consequence is transparent. ‘Look Ma, No Hands’ was like being there. Very bold.
—-
Found it while I was searching. I can’t remember what he was talking about or what came right before this. I think I finally understand Look Ma no Hands — the Queen was wide open for the taking.
And shortly (24 hours? 48?) after the Queen was under permanent c-ship.
June 13th, 2009 at 6:55 pm
Is interception of a person’s mail a violation of
their personal rights? Is that a federal offense
like opening someone else’s mail?
I remember someone posted the Rights Of A
Conservatee and on there was the right to get
mail amongst other things.
Can Jamie control who she mails letters/cards to?
Just wondering.
June 13th, 2009 at 6:55 pm
You’re way too hard on yourself, AM. Maybe too worried about what others think?
Who knew it would all come to this? It was predicted in the beginning, but we were all on separated pages at the time.
June 13th, 2009 at 6:57 pm
Steel. I missed you for a long time. You were gone months not weeks. You left sometime after April and church when you had become Ste. Mag. You might have been gone a month and a half or more.
Query guys. You can trust me with that email or we can compose the list of things we think can help A that came from the transcripts. Here’s my short.
o Defense suggests Adnan dropped off the originals to Anderson’s office
o Blair Berk testifies that Britney did not want her dad as conservator and wanted Berk instead.
o Berk testifies that she doesn’t know about any Christmas card from Adnan to Britney
o Surprises. Lots of them. Exhibits suddenly introduced. Disorganization (alleged they could have done it deliberately). Box of documents.
I was just want to ensure that if someone is in a hurry they will get the main bullets we found.
June 13th, 2009 at 6:58 pm
I should be more specific: Lutfi’s lawyer asserts… Lutfi’s lawyer suggests… Not Defense.
June 13th, 2009 at 7:02 pm
Was the Christmas card sent or to be sent?
Did someone see the name written on the envelope
and opened it before it could be mailed?
Isn’t that still considered interference even if
the letter had yet to be placed in a mail box?
And if a postage stamp was applied to the card and
placed inside of the mail box and it was removed
from the mailbox by someone isn’t that still
against the law? Or is it only once the mail
reaches it’s destination and is removed by an
individual from the box w/out the recipient’s
knowledge is it a federal offense?
Does anyone know for sure?
June 13th, 2009 at 7:36 pm
Fantasy. The line of questioning re stamps was about Eardley’s letter or non-solicited letter.
It is my understanding that Jamie controls any and all of Britney’s communications, mail, phone, text, email, everything.
QB. Are you motivated yet to become a conservatorship/probate expert and be a voice for the voiceless?
Steel is driving her non-profile car. I am doing the same.
okay guys, shall we resume?
June 13th, 2009 at 8:03 pm
So Richards calls a number that he thinks is Britney’s house. After a series of emails from Hollywoodisfun@gmail he gets a vicious text mail from CityGalin310.
(meanwhile, Kill Bill marathon in the background, tribute to David Carradine)
cross-exchange making sure Richards has the right document in front of it, Freedman objecting overruled etc.
Q Boxer Thank you. Please look at exhibit 59 which ws previously sent to you by Mr. Wexler. It stats on teh top redacted, and it is a series of text messages with CityGalin310.
A Yes, I’ve got that in front oe me.
Q Okay. Did you receive — strike that. Citygalin310 appears on this to be in communication with someone at stripdown73. Do you know who stripdown73 is?
A Yes that’s my screen name.
This is in July 2008. Richards first sent the records to Wexler in about August 2008.
x-exam reveals that Stuart contacted Wexler. He sent him messages from CityGal. Richards wanted to know who was sending them. He had suspicions.
The most Wexler did was tell him that it could be someone in the 310 area code. Wexler did not help much.
That’s it. He’s dismissed.
June 13th, 2009 at 8:08 pm
AM-
I am in the process of becoming a volunteer advocate for elderly people who are under a conservatorship. I was supposed to be in training today but the training was postponed until July or August. Brit’s case has really increased my interest in probate and family law.
Going back to the transcripts, it is so obvious that there is no way the conservators would have been able to prove that Adnan was trying to undermine the conservatorship and thus the request for the restraining order would have likely been denied. The case against Adnan was so weak and it is so obvious that Lutfi was trying to pin everything on Adnan.
AM can you clarify whether Brit wanted Berk to be her attorney or her conservator. I am confused as to whether Brit wanted Jamie/Ingham out or Berk in addition to Jamie and Ingham.
June 13th, 2009 at 8:34 pm
x-exam of Lutfi resumes as to Freedman’s position that he doesn’t have to.
Here we go again.
Freedman: It seems patently unfair that they can continue to bring in new documents, new evidence, new exhibits, and we can’t brief the issue for a few hours.
Now there is discussion about yellow and pink tags and the court’s confusion.
Wexler: I apologize, your honor. It was late at night. We stole tags from our paralegal’s office.
We are talking about S. Kammer now and phone records. She provided a declaration.
We move back to February 25th when Roberta Romero and the bodyguard testified.
Boxer …I believe it was on the 23rd or the 25th was the testimony from the two of them on February. One was she said, I can’t sleep. Two she said, tell him to stop calling. Three, she asked the security guard to check the inside of the house. Four, she asked the security guard to then check the outside of the house.
(Ama. Where are you?) Anyway this is all about emotional distress.
QB we are talking about a pattern of conduct by Lutfi.
June 13th, 2009 at 8:47 pm
Boxer: And givent he past history, this is not from a stranger. If you have a celebrity that has a stalker, we wouldn’t hsitate. Here you have someone who is like a vengali and is engaged in a year’s long course of conduct, the most recent of which has been in very, very recent memory. We’re talking abou acitvity which started as close as — as late as the 24th of December then move forward.
Boxer goes on about phone numbers and fromt eh phone number that the security guard had a chat with, the (310) 985 blank blank blank
Freedom interjects. Boxer resumes and says there are 43 phone calls in two days, within one 24 hour period.
Freedom says they haven’t established that Lutfi made those calls.
Boxer says Lutfi isn’t willing to be examined about his conduct.
Boxer …He had promised not to be in touch with her and he was in touch with her. And he did it recently. And he did it to scare he and he did scare her. And that’s the state evidence before the court.
Freedman addresses a statute about substantial emotional distress. Elder abuse. Freedom says the evidence is that Britney called out to Sam and tried to get help from him.
Boxer: Here we have someone who is under the protection of the court via a conservatorship. There is unsealed records that go back that she doe not have capacity to give testimony. And they’re saying, well, we’re using that now as a sword against her. (more about elder abuse, fear, etc.)
Freedman: Your honor, we’ve not saying that somehow Britney Spears has to be here and has to testify. And — but they — there could have been a declaration from a doctor. There could have been a doctor that showed up. There could have been someone that showed up that said she is in, you know, fear. She is substantially, you know, distressed.
The court surmises fear as to phone calls, additional patrols around the house. The motion to dismiss by Freedman is denied.
Diamond steps in as it pertains to Eardley. He states there should be a trial. “There is a right to have a trial.”
The court says this is only a restraining order.
June 13th, 2009 at 8:50 pm
QB. The testimony is up above word for word. She wanted Berk in place of her father. She didn’t complain about Ingham. She wanted her father out was my understanding.
And I agree with MH. Britney stopped trusting Berk.
By the way, I haven’t forgotten about cold calls and I will post what I know on that. It’s one thing I actually know something about though I still hem and holler and gag. I’m just out of practice and in a new field.
June 13th, 2009 at 8:55 pm
Guys. I think we need the testimony from the first day of the trial when Jamie testified? I think we can exonerate, Adnan. What do you think?
I might afford it if someone asked for the transcript before me. It’s just a call or two to find out.
June 13th, 2009 at 9:02 pm
Fantasy. Quick distraction please. What news was it that I think you said came out on the same day as the People.com Trawick story?
Meanwhile, no one has raised their hand yet. Do you think the Trawick story was seeded by Holly?
June 13th, 2009 at 9:04 pm
Nah, by Larry. The PR folk can then deny it without actually lying.
June 13th, 2009 at 9:07 pm
>>>The PR folk can then deny it without actually lying.
June 13th, 2009 at 9:09 pm
Hmmm…Did that make sense? I don’t mean to say it’s true. I mean that the PR folk can say “No comment” or “No, it’s not true,” or “Yes, it’s true,” and not be caught red-handed because the information didn’t originally come from them.
June 13th, 2009 at 9:12 pm
I get the feeling that lies about A come from Lou, lies about Brit come from Larry, and the PR professionals are left to do their jobs independent of what’s being planted by others.
But that’s just a guess.
June 13th, 2009 at 9:14 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
June 13th, 2009 at 3:53 am Q It’s true she was concerned about her representation; isn’t the correct?
A She was — (damn it) No, that’s not correct.
Q She wanted different representation?
A She repeatedly asked me if I could represent her and not her father. She never expressed that as being dissatisfied or unhappy with her representation by Mr. Ingham only that she wanted me in addition to Mr. Ingham.
June 13th, 2009 at 9:16 pm
Diamond separates his client from Lutfi and Freedman. What Freedman has just argued has nothing to do with Eardley.
QB. Now that I know of your interest in the elder and conservatorships, I wish I could type out every word. I’m sorry. 527.6 keeps coming up.
Fantasy. Just for you.
Where were we asks the court after a brief interruption.
Diamond. It starts off 15610.23 is the dependent adult.
Court: Well, we know she’s a dependent adult.
Diamond: We talk — if the court will look at 15610.07, abuse of an elder. There has to be mental suffering byt the abuse or by the neglect. It the court also would look at 15610.07 which is clearly not applicable –
Court: You have to show it’s conduct producing mental sufferering. .07 (A).
Diamond argues why are we really here? About a letter of solicitation? About trying to prove a conspiracy with Lutfi?
Now attorney conspiracy. There is no evidence that Eardley was involved in some conspiracy with Mr. Lutfi. Diamond says there is no evidence that Eardley even made one phone call.
Diamond: There is evidence that perhaps she called him, and Ms. Berk was no sure whether that was her voice or not.
(guys, wasn’t the testimony that the calls by the alleged Britney to Lutfi’s machine? Don’t you wonder why J hasn’t released the third? Was J used?)
Boxer establishes the connection between Sam, the hair dresser, and then Eardley’s calls to Anderson.
Christina Lutfi’s testimony is coming.
June 13th, 2009 at 9:17 pm
MH, I missed that. I read it differently the first time around. (Or maybe not?)
Was Brit asking Berk to be a Co-Conservator, along with Ingram?
Or was she asking Berk to stop working for her father, and to start working for her (as a Criminal Defense Attorney)?
June 13th, 2009 at 9:20 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
June 13th, 2009 at 6:57 pm
>>>>Blair Berk testifies that Britney did not want her dad as conservator and wanted Berk instead.
That’s not what I got from it AM.
June 13th, 2009 at 9:21 pm
she wanted berk and ingham to rep her. that’s what i got from it.
June 13th, 2009 at 9:25 pm
>>>Don’t you wonder why J hasn’t released the third?
and fourth
June 13th, 2009 at 9:26 pm
# MH Says:
June 13th, 2009 at 9:21 pm
she wanted berk and ingham to rep her. that’s what i got from it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
That’s what I got from it, too.
But then again, that doesn’t make sense. If she was looking for representation (without the C-Ship), I would think she’d can Ingham as fast as she could.
June 13th, 2009 at 9:28 pm
Diamond then gets shot down as far as having Eardley testify. Prosecution believed he wouldn’t be. Diamond wants to do it. The judge says, “Well, this is the time for the trail. The witness isn’t here, the witness — then it’s –”
Next. Christina is sworn in. Boxer immediately objects to her being called as a witness.
The judge is PO’d for a second or third time with Freedman. At one point earlier she said, “Thank you for disagreeing with the court….”
Boxer mentions that Freedman mentioned reserving the right to subpoena Mr. Ghalib and Mr. Sam Lutfi. “That’s — he also indicated in his application to call Briney Spears, so I’m aware of that. That would not be a surprise.”
Christina is a surprise. Freedman argues about the phone calls being admitted. He offers to continue to tomorrow.
Okay. This is what we have so far, “.. and I told her it’s from Sam and Adnan.”
If you were Britney wouldn’t you think that was weird?
June 13th, 2009 at 9:30 pm
Let me re-word that.
I took from it that she was trying to lure Berk away from representing her father, because she trusted Berk and wanted her on HER side.
As in, the moment Brit went into the hospital, Jamie hired Berk to represent him, and immediately sent her over to Brit’s house to collect up any damaging info (e.g. letters left in cars, bags of cell phones, etc.)
Did I understand that wrong?
June 13th, 2009 at 9:35 pm
Korn or other would have soooo objected to this.
Q Boxer. You testified that you told Ms. Spears tha i was so Sam and Adnan could contact her?
A I said the phone is from Sam and Adnan.
Q When did you talk to Mr. Adnan Ghalib to be able to make that statement?
A My brother had just told me it was — he got the phone from Adnan.
Q So you on your own said it was from Sam and Adnan, or did Sam tell you to say that?
A It was from both of them. So, yes, he told me it was from Adnan. So I on my own told her from both of them.
(Thoughts please?)
June 13th, 2009 at 9:40 pm
Here’s what I don’t understand…
Even if Adnan DID purchase the phone, and even if he DID give it to Sam, who gave it to Christina, who gave it to Brit…
How is this undermining the C-Ship? And how does talking on the phone to someone justify a restraining order (even if the person is under a C-Ship)?
None of this makes any sense to me.
June 13th, 2009 at 9:42 pm
In my mind, this is like Jamie telling Brit she’s not allowed to eat McDonald’s, then catching her with a Big Mac under her pillow. Does he then sue McDonald’s for trying to undermine the C-Ship?
I know it’s not the same…That there are signed documents involved here. But honestly…??
June 13th, 2009 at 9:46 pm
That last post sounds silly.
What I’m trying to say is that the only thing that should be able to “undermine” the C-Ship is Brit’s next psych exam. Plain and simple.
June 13th, 2009 at 10:05 pm
Wow. I didn’t think you’d continue so fast.
I said that the news of Britney and Trawick being
reported by People came a day before it was made
public that Adnan has been ordered to pay $11,500
in atty. fees & costs for the TRO.
Mon.6/8-Adnan ordered to pay up.
Tue.6/9-People reports on Britney dating Trawick.
Wed.6/10-The public (Radaronline) learns of the
judgment made on Monday for Adnan to pay up. TMZ
runs w/ People’s report as if to reconfirm it.
I think Christina either lied when she testified
or she lied in the Radar interview. Not once did
she say the name Adnan Ghalib. Ever! Not in the
Radar intv. She said the phone is from Sam/my
brother. NOT from Sam and Adnan.
I may be way off on this but what I got from Berk
is that Britney wanted her instead of Ingham.
Not Ingham and Berk plus Jamie. Maybe I didn’t
understand correctly.
Caught up now. Yay.
June 13th, 2009 at 10:17 pm
Question…
Who was Berk representing when she searched the Mercedes and found the letter and the phones?
June 13th, 2009 at 10:25 pm
Fantasy. Britney specifically wanted to get rid of her father, and have Berk instead.
she did not complain about Ingham to Berk. She complained about her dad
I bet Britney asked her also how she could get out of the conservatorship altogether but that line of questioning was nixed early as to the purpose of the hearing.
Steel. I understood McDonald’s. It’s true.
June 13th, 2009 at 10:26 pm
I will look at Christina’s testimony again. I want to analyze what questions Freedman asked her v. Boxer.
Seems everyone was happy to leave Adnan on the record as being a co-giver of the phone but that’s what Sam told Christina. There is no shred of evidence it is true.
I don’t believe anything that Sam says.
June 13th, 2009 at 10:30 pm
I just came from Radar’s site. I suggest you all
go there while everything is still up and running.
C.Lutfi never said the phone was from Adnan,etc.
Even in the written version on Radar it doesn’t
say that. Christina, like her brother, is lying
to someone: the court or Radaronline. Her
testimony is bulls**t.
Radar is still carrying the story of the 6/8
judgment for Adnan to pay the conservatorship
of Britney Spears $11,500.
Poor Adnan. All one has to do is include him in
something and it’s automatically a fact.
Did Adnan know that Britney contacted Lutfi or
his sister to change attys.? Did he know the
phone was from Sam? What did he know?
Didn’t he alledgedly have a code name like Ruba?
Who said that? Who came up w/ that name and put
it in Britney’s call log in the phone given to
her by Christina from Sam?
This makes no sense. Jamie is just pissed that
Britney disobeyed him and he punished her by
punishing Adnan via adding him as a “conspirator”
along w/ Eardley and Lutfi.
June 13th, 2009 at 10:37 pm
Christina’s testimony is much as we heard it. I’m not sure we heard that she was living at her mom’s, at age 25 (no biggie who cares) but that Sam was staying with them now.
I don’t have my analytical head on. Christina is let go (she was such a short part of the day’s events).
OH YEH. Now I remember why I took such a long break other than groceries coming in. Check this out:
Freedman rests. Diamond rests. The court says wait a minute, is there any rebuttal testimony?
Boxer asks for a moment. Freedman asks for a copy of the court transcript (I doubt he ever got it as I paid full price for this transcript grrr… and I guess there was trouble before about payment from Freedman on other requests — I don’t mean to embarrass Freedman or anyone on a budget)
Boxer rests.
Court: There then is no further evidence before the court. That being the case, the court will hear closing argument on April 21st at 1:30 as long as –
Boxer: There is an open issue that’s ambiguous, your honor. There was the ex-parte application to compel the attendance of Britney Spears. We don’t think that should be left hanging.
Freedman: We’ll withdraw it, your honor. Make it easy.
The court: Thank you.
Boxer: Thank you.
Court: Okay. If the court reporter advises me that the transcript has been paid for by close of business tomorrorw, then this hearing will be heard April 21st. Otherwise, the hearing will be heard on Friday Afternoon at 1:30. And you’re not available?
(Boxer is available but doesn’t know when he’ll be notified. Freedman says we can write a check right now. The judge says that’s the only concern because there was a complaint from the court reporter — not this court reporter — the judge wants to make sure it’s dealt with. Matter is set for April 21 at 1:30)
Wexler: Your honor, would you like us to submit another order continuing the TRO?
Court: The court does continue all orders in effect ..
etc.
Anyone remember what the tabloids declared at the end of this hearing? Britney Spears unfit to testify.
Shaking my head.
June 13th, 2009 at 10:37 pm
In th Radar intv. C.Lutfi says Britney wanted
out of the c-ship and wanted to see if Sam could
help her get an atty. From what Christina said
it was like Britney wanted Ingham out.
Was Britney saying one thing to Berk and another
thing to C.Lutfi? Or is C.L. repeating what Sam
told her to say?
June 13th, 2009 at 10:44 pm
Fantasy, you’re right. I just watched Christina’s interview and she doesn’t mention Adnan once.
Another question…
Did Berk specify WHEN she was having these conversations with Britney (about representing her)? Am I right to believe they were happening way back in February 2008? And not present day?
June 13th, 2009 at 10:49 pm
>>>Am I right to believe they were happening way back in February 2008? And not present day?
wasn’t there some mention of boston. that would be when she was on tour.
June 13th, 2009 at 10:52 pm
March 16, 2009.
That doesn’t make any sense. Does it?
June 13th, 2009 at 10:53 pm
Wait, that makes sense.
But then who was Berk representing when she cleaned out the Mercedes? That would’ve happened back in February/March of 2008. Right?
June 13th, 2009 at 11:00 pm
So Brit was asking Berk to represent her even AFTER getting busted with the cell phone?
I guess I understood that when reading it the first time. There’s just so much information in there…
June 13th, 2009 at 11:05 pm
March 16, 2009.
That was only three months ago. It seems like it happened in another lifetime.
June 13th, 2009 at 11:23 pm
Guys (guys girl that must be confusing to Ama)
What was the approximate page number and I will type up Boston comment.
I will be here 38 minutes longer more or less. I could be back.
Fantasy. Thank you thank you thank you! For the Twawick v. Adnan having to pay.
I didn’t have the recall and it would have take so much time to find.
June 13th, 2009 at 11:23 pm
Nevermind. I’ll find it on my own. sorry
June 13th, 2009 at 11:29 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
June 13th, 2009 at 3:32 am
Coming up. Berk is established as not being Britney’s attorney. Berk saw her in Boston.
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AM, that’s all you said about it. Didn’t specify a page number.
June 13th, 2009 at 11:32 pm
Here you go.
p128
A Well, she knew as early as February of 2008 when I found this cold call solicitation letter. And I asked her if she knew this person and had ever received any other unsolicited contact from him.
Q Did she indicate to you that she had received this letter from him?
A No she did not.
Boxer: Could we have the record reflect that he is referring to Exhibit 23, your honor?
The Court: Yes.
Boxer: Thank yoyu.
Q (Diamond) Have you been able to talk with Ms. Spears, recently, Britney Spears?
A Could you –
Q In the last couple of weeks.
A I saw her in Boston when she was on tour there. and I’m not sure other than, hello, whether we had any substative communications.
Q An hen would you have been in Boston
A I could —
Q — approximately?
A — retrieve my Iphone — Two weeks.
Q So –
A I was lecturing — I was lecturing at Harvard and her tour hapened to be there the same weekend, and I went to say hi to her.
Q Did she appear to be able to function as a human being?
Boxer Objection. Irrelevant.
Court Substained
Box Ambigious 352
Q Did you discuss this case at all with her?
A No.
Boxer: At that time?
Q Prior to the –
The court: I’m — in Boston two weeks ago?
Diamond: Yes.
Boxer: Thank you, your honor.
Witness: No, I did not.
Diamond: Before the Boston contact you had with her in the last few weeks, when was the last time you had spoken with her?
A I speak to her regularly, but I couldn’t tell you specific dates and times.
Q You speak with her regularly in person or by phone?
A Both
Q You visit her at her home?
A I do.
Q and does she — was she able to carry on a conversation with you?
A Could you explain what you mean by “crrry on a conversation”?
Q Well, like talk back and forth, ask qeustions. Ask her opinion
(the rest is up above — search for Boston)
June 13th, 2009 at 11:42 pm
Thanks, Steel. I am here about ten minutes more then back in may two hours? Unless we take breaks. Dinner and a movie. Sorry about all the typos in the last post. I was moving at a clip.
June 13th, 2009 at 11:43 pm
Thanks, AM.
June 13th, 2009 at 11:44 pm
No one bothered to clarify when the conversation was about Brit’s desire to get rid of her dad as conservator.
Fan, I printed out Radar’s take on the money. I’m getting more organized and even more skeptical of these news sites than before. Better to print.
June 13th, 2009 at 11:45 pm
I’m up working, but I’m in another timezone.
You’ve certainly given us all lots to chew on tonight.
June 13th, 2009 at 11:47 pm
How would Freedman know all of this? Did he? Must have. And what about asking her about whether he knew Britney was talking to people about distrusting Berk or complaining about her?
Berk says she doesn’t know doesn’t know.
Sam could have lied about EVERYTHING to his attorney. He could have guessed at distrusting Berk but what if he didn’t? Or what if he was in contact before he got a settlement (looking that way in July — promised to stay away for the summer?)
I really wish to look at each statement before I make posts like this but this is what I took away from it. Dinner is very soon. Beef stroganoff. Great if we could eat together and talk about the testimony.
June 13th, 2009 at 11:49 pm
AM, I’m thinking you should go enjoy your dinner and a movie. It’s Saturday night. I’m getting paid to sit behind my computer – you’re not. Go give hubby some undivided attention.
June 13th, 2009 at 11:51 pm
Steel. Thanks I think. It’s encouraging to think that Freedman got the Feb 25th transcript. That means we might get copies. I can not pay again what I paid for this one only because I ordered another of lesser interest to anyone here, as it pertains to Adnan — it’s coming though. The driver’s license case?
We were mislead there too. Fantasy was sage to caution me in my initial findings but I was a youth and .. well I haven’t done anything wrong in the past 24 hours. Much of the testimony and arguments re Britney v. US Weekly is online.
June 13th, 2009 at 11:53 pm
Steel. I wonder that it’s obvious that Berk worked for Jamie during the 5150 and the Mercedes. Everything was set to go. One wonders at Berk cleaning out a Mercedes but maybe she gave someone instructions.
Don’t we have film of Britney’s cars being hauled away or intimation that Britney is not going to be happy? I think it was TMZ.
Eons ago.
June 13th, 2009 at 11:56 pm
Later, you guys. I’ll be back though. I’ll try to get to whomever I bypassed last night in getting to info about Adnan.
They’ve got nothing. Absolutely nothing. But we still need Feb 25th and if I don’t get it with my check? Something is really amiss.
Tabloids and newspapers do not expect anyone like us coming along. How’s that P card Mr. T?
June 13th, 2009 at 11:58 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
June 13th, 2009 at 11:53 pm
Steel. I wonder that it’s obvious that Berk worked for Jamie during the 5150 and the Mercedes.
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I’d say so. I guess it was more of a rhetorical question. A reminder of who worked for who.
June 14th, 2009 at 12:05 am
So what’s the next big court date for Adnan? Did I read somewhere it was July 9th?
Whatever day it is, I’m guessing that’s when the Radar video will drop. Gotta have a good distraction, right?
June 14th, 2009 at 2:06 am
Yes. July 9th. Is it a big court day? It establishes if there is enough evidence, in front of the judge, whether to go forward.
Are you saying Radar will do another video?
Here’s something funny I said to a reporter. I’m doing what you can’t or won’t do. The jeering and taunting outside the court just to bring people in.
That’s paraphrased but that’s how I said it and what I said.
This blog is a good idea I guess.
Steel. You disappeared .. and I sometimes wondered if it was the lack of sizzle between that you left. You gone long enough for me to wonder about a number of things. I am glad you are here. If you need to save face with anyone, my atonement has been genuine. It came from me, not from you.
I read something of your’s the other day and hairs on my neck started rising. That’s as far as it went. I think that’s good actually though, opposing views and then I left it. I don’t think you have alterior motives. Do you?
I hope those days are done forever. It took two babe.
June 14th, 2009 at 2:06 am
Lovey errors above. I hate Courier.
June 14th, 2009 at 2:13 am
Fantasy. I know you love this shyt. Britney’s wearing the shoes again!
June 14th, 2009 at 2:30 am
OK, it took awhile to catch up.
I’m trying to remember a few things. When Britney left rehab the first time, she went to visit Berk, right? And that was in 2007? Does anyone think Berk may have helped the Spears plan the c-ship? And is that how she came to represent Jamie Spears. It was all planned, so she wasn’t a last minute decision. Britney never became her client, so she didn’t have to abide by the attorney-client privilege, right? I wonder how much she spoke to the Spears’ in 2007.
June 14th, 2009 at 2:37 am
After reading through all this, Adnan didn’t deserve to have a TRO against him. His name was thrown in there.
This is no way against Britney, but maybe the TRO is a good thing, in a sense that maybe Britney needs to try to get out of this on her own. All of this is such a mess and I always believe that eventually, sooner or later, the truth will always come out. Sometimes you have to go through a lot for it to come out, but in the end it will all be okay. So I wish Adnan nothing but the best. This is only concerning the TRO, not the charges he’s facing when he was being served. Those are complete bogus.
I don’t know if I am even making any sense.