Britney Runs For Starbucks
Taking a break from her “Circus” tour, Britney Spears was back on her home turf Monday, and indulged in one of her favorite pastimes—making a run to Starbucks in Calabasas, CA. Brit looked ready for summer in her shapely checked top and cutoff shorts.
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June 23rd, 2009 at 4:22 pm
She look fine. Really fine.
It must be wonderful to let get of thouse high heels and have some private time, doing ordinary things, like other people does.
But I guess she soon have to rehearse or something..
She for sure deserve this short vacation.
June 23rd, 2009 at 4:40 pm
From Britneys site:
“He was a wonderful man and will be greatly missed. -Britney
Twitter.
But who does she talk about?
Is one part of the message left somewhere?
June 23rd, 2009 at 4:43 pm
Have to go into the blog to find
“I am deeply saddened by today’s news about Ed McMahon. He is responsible for giving so many artists their first shot including myself. He was a wonderful man and will be greatly missed”
June 23rd, 2009 at 9:58 pm
Fantasy, I read your last post on the other thread, but I’ll respond back here so we can get the new thread moving.
I checked out the pic you were referring to at BH, and I actually still find the photo of Jamie that was posted on Father’s Day to be more offensive. I don’t know what it is about the pic, but I’m sure Brit would just be so embarrassed if she saw it posted there…
But yeah, I agree. I do think maybe JM needs to take a bit of a step back and get a bit of perspective. I understand his frustration but…it’s crossing lines.
June 23rd, 2009 at 10:06 pm
Speaking of crossing lines and not knowing boundaries…
Perhaps we could say that JM has “pulled a Perez.”
Good description? lol
June 23rd, 2009 at 10:54 pm
Fantasy,
>>>I know the lawsuit and threats from Jamie towards Jordan has really gotten to him…..
last i heard there was no lawsuit, just the threat of one. this is how things “become” fact. rumors and misinformation get regurgitated.
>>>I don’t want to question anyone’s fanocity (new word I made up) however when the webmaster starts taking personal digs at the person that their site is centered on I think that it means it’s time to either pull the plug on the website OR step aside and allow someone else to run it who is able to keep things professional and not allow their personal feelings to taint their coverage of the one the site is supposed to be all about. I’ve stuck with JM for a long time but he needs to make a decision and not go any further with his love/hate feeling that he’s got for Britney.
It’s his site he can do whatever the hell he wants. Who is anyone to tell him what he should do. pull the plug, step aside, make a decision, not go any further with his feelings. It’s his site…he can act and feel however he wants. If you don’t like it don’t go there.
June 23rd, 2009 at 10:59 pm
I don’t think anyone likes it other than the prepubescent or irrational types. Fantasy is also free to exercise her opinion.
June 23rd, 2009 at 11:01 pm
BH is not loading.
What is JM showing?
Benefit of doubt: Love your post at 10:06 Steel. Nice polarity.
BH is still not loading.
Fanocity. Loveee.
June 23rd, 2009 at 11:32 pm
Back to JM/BH, I think that in a weird way JM wants Brit to fail so that it proves that he is right-the conservatorship is not working and should be ended. It is not enough just to criticize Jamie.
For many people, the success of the tour proves that Jamie’s presence has been wonderful and that the conservatorship should last indefinitely. As long as Brit appears to be doing well while on the tour and has no major hiccups, Jamie will get all the credit and the tour and the conservatorship will continue.
People will say, “Way to go Jamie, if it was not for you I would not be able to Brit”. Nobody in the mainstream media is questioning the conservatorship anymore.
June 24th, 2009 at 12:15 am
QB. My post came in .. between things. Sorry. I apologize. It’s not intentional.
Still unable to load BH. Maybe fans are upset and loading the servers?
Fantasy. If you are still up, what happened please?
June 24th, 2009 at 12:32 am
In!
June 24th, 2009 at 12:36 am
Good, new thread.
MH, you’re totally right. I shouldn’t go to BH
if I have any kind of problem with the site or
JM. But I still go. I shouldn’t complain about it.
That’s my problem. Not JM’s. I’m dealing w/ it.
Never used 2 whine. I do now. Cuz I feel like it.
I’m one of those people who’ve said the same thing
about stop visiting the site if you don’t like
what JM has to say. That was before he mocked
Britney in the twit pic today. Way uncool.
I’m not asking anything of JM as far as changing
his opinion on anything, but what is the point
of Jordan running that site if he’s gonna turn
around and make fun of her? I get that he was just
being silly. I wouldn’t have done what he did.
But, hey, that’s just me. JM will be JM. Always.
The words I write here can be changed any time I
choose to click backspace or delete. I’m not using
my blood nor am I etching my words in stone.
So if and when I mistakenenly write something that
is incorrect and someone calls me on it I do
appreciate it. I’m just as human as the next
person. I’d really hate for anyone to think that
I see myself as being omniscient and therefore
incapable of error. That too would be a rumor that
“became” fact based on misinformation. I mean,
do we really need more of that in the world?
June 24th, 2009 at 12:51 am
I’m so glad you are here, Fantasy.
June 24th, 2009 at 12:56 am
Me 2.
June 24th, 2009 at 1:19 am
I found you.
Fantasy, I stopped going to other Britney sites for the same reasons you did. I go to BH daily, but even that is becoming a mess.
June 24th, 2009 at 8:07 am
Looking back, didn’t this happen with Reuben’s fan site, too? Her record label/management pressured him to conform until he broke down…And now I hear that Reuben might work for Larry.
I don’t know for sure if that’s true…Not trying to start a rumour there…
Just trying to point out that Brit’s “people” like to have full control over her image, and that there’s a pattern emerging.
June 24th, 2009 at 8:14 am
Image control…
This goes back to the topic of, e.g. Was it really alright to make money off of JL’s baby pics?
In one sense, the baby pics were about making money. But in another sense, they were about trying to control the story (instead allowing the tabloids to control the story).
Some could even argue that the entire conservatorship has been about image control, seeing as we’ve never really been told WHY Brit is under a c-ship to begin with. Some have suggested that there’s really nothing wrong with her (in terms of mental health) and that her team are merely trying to reshape her image into something that makes money.
Who knows for sure?
June 24th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
Steel. I had to do some homework. What do you think of this article?
http://www.monstersandcritics.com/people/news/article_1238060.php/Britney_Spears_web_site_closing_drama_unfolds_
If the exchange between Ruben and Larry is “real” .. does it sound like Sam as the character of Larry?
June 24th, 2009 at 12:27 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
June 24th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
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Interesting article!
First, Ruben appeared to be “profiting” from the site, and Brit’s camp didn’t have a problem with it. In fact, they GAVE Reuben things to post, such as the letters from Fe (the “kicked dog got off the porch” letters).
Brit sounded just tired of the whole thing…the whole thing being her career.
And I don’t know if Larry sounds like Sam or vice versa…
To me, that’s just Larry. Sounds like him and Brit had just a super relationship at the time, eh? It was only two months later that they forced her into rehab.
June 24th, 2009 at 12:33 pm
Britney sounds like a total bitch in that article, but to put things in perspective…Wasn’t JJ only born about two months before?
Seriously, why were they booking her on meet and greets with fans only two months after she gave birth? Most young mothers I know take six months or a year off of work when they have a baby. But apparently Brit was just supposed to soldier on after popping one out? That sounds a little harsh…
June 24th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
Well. If Larry wasn’t her agent then who did Ruben try to book her through? It’s hard for me to imagine a PhD Harvard law student (or was it Yale)would call people Dude. It’s also hard to imagine someone as busy as Larry would spend time with Ruben but I don’t know the history.
June 24th, 2009 at 12:47 pm
Larry was hired back on as her manager as soon Brit filed for divorce from Kevin…I don’t know, maybe she didn’t have a manager in the interim and was doing the bookings through assistants?
It sounds to me like Ruben had a very cosy relationship with Larry and the gang once he started buckling to their demands. Look at the kind of stuff he ended up with:
http://tabloidwhore.blogspot.com/2007/02/felicia-culotta-breaks-her-silence.html
Same Ruben?
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/ruben-garay/b/3ba/580
June 24th, 2009 at 1:00 pm
That is interesting. I wonder if he was the videographer on May 4. Neither here nor there. Thanks for the history.
June 24th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
It would be interesting to hear Fantasy and Small’s take on the whole thing…I was following the story back then, but wasn’t a dedicated fan, so I can’t guarantee I’m getting my facts straight.
June 24th, 2009 at 1:44 pm
From what I remember, Larry and Britney parted ways about the time she married Kevin. During the time she was married, Britney’s manager was a person named Dan Dymtrow. He was kind of Larry’s right-hand man, so to speak. He parted ways with Larry once he started managing Britney.
Does the name Dan Dymtrow sound familiar to you? Well that is because soon after Britney married Kevin, he became Kevin’s manager. I think he used Britney to kick start Kevin’s rap career. He stayed with Kevin when Britney filed for divorce. Dan’s gf was one of Britney’s good friends and she also stayed with Kevin when Britney filed for divorce.
Fantasy can correct me if I said anything wrong. Fantasy, I bet you and I know each other from other forums. I am now using a different screen name.
June 24th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
I never liked Ruben.
June 24th, 2009 at 1:50 pm
I’m gone for the rest of the day. I wish I could stay and answer more questions, but I have no time. Real life calls. I will be back later tonight.
PS: Not too sure if Dan continues to represent Kevin or not.
June 24th, 2009 at 1:51 pm
small hands Says:
June 24th, 2009 at 1:44 pm
Does the name Dan Dymtrow sound familiar to you?
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Yes! I didn’t realize he was Brit’s manager, too.
June 24th, 2009 at 2:37 pm
QB. Insight? I am trying to understand why a letter from Anderson to Wyle and company, notifying them that he was going to appear in court on Thursday to ask the court to allow him to take over representation of Ms. Spears, would have been sealed. It included the pleadings he intended to file in court.
I wonder at points and authorities (can you confirm that these are the first arguments to the court to grant the motion?)and if they are the reason the document was sealed.
Diamond to Anderson, “With respect to the statement in your points and authorities, you believed that in your points and authorities, as expressed by you, that Ms. Spears had the legal right to replace her court-appointed attorney with you.”
Boxer: That document speaks for itself. It’s also irrelevant, your honor.
Court: Sustained.
This was after establishing Anderson being an expert in probate law and the only probate and conservatorship specialist on the court’s Neutral Evaluation Panel (QB, I found a website on that easily but I couldn’t quite determine how his 18 yrs of experience on that panel might come into play. His role was to intercede and/or mediate between clients and their attorneys? I would love your theories on this one). Also, that Anderson, as an expert, was not deterred by knowing that a court had ruled about capacity and also, that Britney had a court appointed attorney.
I was never clear by the way, when Anderson learned that Eardley had been tossed out of court, just that being co-conservatee counsels wasn’t a good idea to Anderson and Lutfi told him Eardley wouldn’t be a problem.
But did we miss all of this the first time? Someone who was considered an expert in probate law believed that Britney had the legal right to replace her court appointed attorney. QB, what’s the loophole here if any?
(hope I am not interrupting anything – I rarely refresh while typing something like this for fear of the system deleting)
June 24th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
Dang. Small you are good.
June 24th, 2009 at 3:06 pm
A funny side question. Did anyone ask Anderson why he believed he had Britney’s valid signature?
QB. Does that say anything to you?
If the signature wasn’t valid as would be known by Wyle and company, then there wouldn’t have been a justification for the TROs in the first place. Is that right? Wouldn’t it have been easier and cheaper to say, “Sorry Anderson. We’d like to help you but these aren’t even valid signatures. Now tell us about Lutfi and Eardley. We’ve had trouble with them before.”
June 24th, 2009 at 3:55 pm
Steel. About image and packaging, seems endorsements would have been high on the list.
She was great in HIMYM but I kind of wonder that it was a ratings stunt you know like Nielsen says she still has it corporate America.
Step one was dinner out with her dad. I always felt that was a parade and she was an unwilling.
June 24th, 2009 at 3:57 pm
Ciara’s opening for Brit on the second leg of the N. American tour. Awesome! Her new album is so good.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZYUnvjKR-k&annotation_id=annotation_29317&feature=iv
June 24th, 2009 at 4:05 pm
Hi there. LONG POST AHEAD.
St.Mag. (or whoever asked) everything Small said
is true. Originally there was a company called…
oh, crap I’m blanking out now. It was so long ago.
Like early 1990’s, like MMC days when Britney was
very, very young. I want to say Rudolph and Beer
or something. Well, anyway Larry and a guy, Beer
(Steve Beer?) had a business and that business
ended. Larry and Beer both kind of went their own
ways with Larry starting ReignDeer Entertainment.
Beer had started something too. I can’t remember
the name of it though. Like I said, long time ago.
Dan worked for Larry. From what I heard Dan was
just an intern in the beginning and Larry pretty
much showed him the ropes. Dan managed Kevin. I
don’t know if he still does. But something tells
me (no this isn’t a fact) that Dan and Kev still
remained in business together even after Kev and
Britney broke up. Kevin is supposed to be working
on a new rap cd and a clothing line. I’ve yet to
hear or read if or when anything will come of it.
I don’t know if you ever saw the In The Zone tv
special that Britney did to promote that cd but
Britney, although she looked great and was so on
it with the dancing and everything, I remember a
scene where Larry was talking about MATM (Me
Against The Music) the song B did w/ Madonna
and he was going on about it and how it was gonna
be big and so on…I have it on DVD so I’ll have
to look at it to remember his exact words. But,
anyway, as Larry was talking Britney was just
listening and she seemed pleased with things but
then this look either on her face or something
in her eyes just spoke. Like she was worried or
nervous, uneasy or something. I’ll never forget
that. I don’t know if anyone around her at that
time caught on to the idea of maybe Britney was
feeling unready or that inside something wasn’t
too right, like within her.
That was 2003. I think a lot of changes happened
or were about to around that time. Especially on
the business side of things. Britney really wanted
a break. She said so herself. But then next thing
you know she’s back in the studio, on tv, and
on tour again. She released 3 cd’s 3 years in a
row. There’s only a 2 year gap between the Britney
cd and the In The Zone cd. I think even then she
was physically, emotonally,& mentally exhausted.
Of course we know a bit more now. But she was
trying to step away from it all. But the paparazzi
and even her management wouldn’t allow her the
proper amount of time to take off and recharge.
She was like the Energizer bunny. Going and going.
It’s amazing looking back at old footage or
interviews from that time. If you look back at
that stuff you can so clearly see that she was
trying to back away from the biz and certain
people too. There was, what some would call
rebellious behavior. She was hurting a lot too.
I have no idea if she ever really had a heart to
heart with her mom or Larry or anyone about what
she was feeling. She wanted to please people and
keep her success too but she was, like, aching
to just go away. She was tired. Maybe that can
explain the 55 hour marriage then the Kevin thing
and having babies.
I don’t believe that she was ready for either
marriages or motherhood. It all happened so fast.
More than anything she wanted stability and
to be normal. I don’t think she even knew what
that meant exactly. But she saw it as a change
from the usual grind and just went for it.
Obviously, things didn’t turn out like she’d
hoped for. As for Reuben, I don’t know much about
him. Maybe Small can give you more info on him.
Hope I helped some. TTYL.
June 24th, 2009 at 4:08 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
June 24th, 2009 at 3:55 pm
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Agreed. It seemed to me that she had to be “re-programmed” to get to her become complicit (or complacent?) and once again start to play the game.
…Although I’m sure others would consider that “getting better.” It just depends on what your values are.
June 24th, 2009 at 4:13 pm
I am happy for you, Steel.
I came across new pics of Kevin and Victoria out golfing with Kevin’s father.
This is the thing. We never see Kevin do anything chilvarous for Victoria that I can recall. Little things like opening her car door, carrying her luggage (ok, she is strong), opening the door for her: little things that show a relationship.
I swear he is her sober companion on public outings. She’s good for his image, carrying his kid and so on.
June 24th, 2009 at 4:17 pm
p42 I am just saying, that it is hard to believe Adnan was part of a conspiracy hosted by Sam Lutfi.
Wouldn’t Lutfi have wanted Anderson to know that Britney’s ex-boyfriend was also asked to help her and what a hell she was living in?
Anderson had never heard the name until Wyle asked him on the telephone Jan 27, 2009 if he had instigated “this” in Anderson’s office.
Adnan, the instigator? Now who would have put that thought into Wyle’s mind? If Adnan was the instigator what would he need Lutfi for?
What a tangle.
June 24th, 2009 at 4:30 pm
Ummmm…??
Ah, nevermind…
June 24th, 2009 at 4:35 pm
I love this board! Fantasy. I am sure your post tuckered you but wow and thank you.
Steel. I agree with reprogrammed versus getting better. It’s a fine line.
Meanwhile, I’ve been thinking about X17, JM, JFX, and Adnan.
Who was the most motivated to take Adnan down? Adnan refused to be a help to X17 long ago. X17 had lost a “valuable resource” said Adnan and Adnan refused to help them.
Christina makes mulitiple phone calls to “make sure she was alright.” Really? How about you’re calling to her to learn where she is? And she and Sam are the ones passing information back to X17 etc. to benefit financially.
Then there is us and JFX. We ourselves are not a huge community but a healthy one. Maybe MH can verify that the traffic might not be huge compared to TMZ but those who visit stay longer than those other sites.
Then there must have been some competition for exclusives and JFX got some like the Mother’s Day photos and you know damn well those were by permission of Jamie.
Then those voice tapes. Maybe X17 gets them from Sam. X17 master chess players with poker faces.
I wish to hell Sam would go to jail.
June 24th, 2009 at 4:37 pm
Correction: my point about us as a community is that we are a support and we do have some attention and we keep a ready spotlight on X17, TMZ, etc. nevermind on Adnan.
June 24th, 2009 at 4:39 pm
Surveillance? sorry on a roll with the transcript and thinking.
Why would Wyle ask if Adnan had instigated this in Anderson’s office? Wow, Sam. What did you say in your frame-up?
But why would the plan have had to of been instigated in Anderson’s office? Why not by phone and email as Anderson did with Eardley and Lutfi. Anderson never even asked Lutfi to come by his office.
June 24th, 2009 at 4:42 pm
Correction: Freedman did ask why Anderson thought the signatures were real and it was based on the fact that Sam said he would get them.
I am guessing the only reason that Anderson believed anything was that the money for a retainer and so on was real. Now where to Eardley/Sam get that kind of money? Who is funding this project?
(MT is not here to rile us with this thought)
June 24th, 2009 at 4:43 pm
lol at Steel 4:30.
June 24th, 2009 at 5:04 pm
Sorry if I am driving anyone crazy. Here’s another little detail.
Lutfi violated the terms of a contract, not a TRO is my understanding.
Anderson is questioned as to his knowledge about a letter agreement from Lutfi. Anderson had never heard about it. The letter agreement refs that he would not have any contact with Britney. I know we all know that but we were told by the media that the c-ship was as good as a TRO so why extend it?
I think Team Spears paid Sam off. We’ve talked about it briefly before. Anyway, it’s this agreement and not a restraining order that Sam violated.
Why pay Sam off to stay away? Why not make the TRO permanent? Sam has some kind of bargaining power but what made him change his mind into pursuing changing Britney’s court appointed legal counsel? The tour hadn’t begun yet but was planned. Endorsements were coming in from Bally’s etc. Steel. You are better at this than me.
June 24th, 2009 at 5:06 pm
Correction: in Freedman’s own words as he is objecting, “It may be a breach of contract action, but it’s irrelevant to a restraining order.”
context: Anderson being told by Lutfi as to the prior actions or contracts
June 24th, 2009 at 5:11 pm
# Amethyst Mine Says:
June 24th, 2009 at 5:04 pm
Lutfi violated the terms of a contract, not a TRO is my understanding.
~~~~~~~> Looks like it, doesn’t it?
Anderson is questioned as to his knowledge about a letter agreement from Lutfi. Anderson had never heard about it. The letter agreement refs that he would not have any contact with Britney.
~~~~~~~> Is this why Anderson then supported the TRO’s? He felt tricked?
I think Team Spears paid Sam off.
~~~~~~~> Looks like it, doesn’t it?
Why pay Sam off to stay away?
~~~~~~~> Major nuclear bombish stuff?
Sam has some kind of bargaining power but what made him change his mind into pursuing changing Britney’s court appointed legal counsel?
~~~~~~~> Because he had planned ahead of time to blame it on Adnan if the plan didn’t work out? Just guessing.
June 24th, 2009 at 5:49 pm
You are sweet at 5:11. Thanks Steel.
I guess one person I feel for here is Anderson. I think in the future he will always ask to meet someone face to face.
And then there is that little question of wondering if he is aware his reputation has been blemished.
by the by, I always think Sam must have felt rage to learn Britney was calling Adnan with his pre-paid Nokia cell phone.
June 24th, 2009 at 5:59 pm
Steel. Wasn’t it you who said you wish Sam would just play that nuclear bombish card? I wonder that he doesn’t now but I am sure he has a plan. Or maybe he can not do it by that one contract as in legal repercussions.
June 24th, 2009 at 6:05 pm
I think Sam might have nuclear bombish stuff, but I don’t WANT him to use it.
For all we know, it could reflect very poorly on Brit. Her father could very well be trying to protect her by stopping it from coming out. We just don’t know. IMHO.
June 24th, 2009 at 6:09 pm
I’m guessing that Sam’s documentary (the one that never happened) was going to use nuclear bombish type recordings/photo/video of Jamie and Lynn, and/or Brit.
I’m guessing it’s the same kind of stuff as the photo of Jamie that appeared at BH on Father’s Day. Yes, this is damaging to Jamie, but it’s ALSO hurtful to Britney. So I’m not totally certain I want to see that kind of thing (if indeed that’s what the doc was going to be about).
June 24th, 2009 at 6:14 pm
A little extra info on Mr. Beer.
http://gothamist.com/2005/09/21/steven_beer_entertainment_lawyer.php
June 24th, 2009 at 6:14 pm
Ah, so this is what Halperin’s been up to lately:
http://www.cbc.ca/arts/media/story/2009/06/24/cirque-suits.html
Sorry. Carry on.
June 24th, 2009 at 6:23 pm
AM-
Going back to Anderson, the first document Anderson likely drew up was a motion to substitute counsel and then the other document was the memorandum on points and authorities which is essentially the legal arguments that he would use to support that motion. I think the reason why those documents were filed under seal is because the conservators probably do not want to give any other attorney out there ideas about how to legally get around Goetz 2/08 ruling.
The thing about Anderson is that he seems like a good guy who was completely misled by Lutfi and once he realized what was going on from the conservators he backed away. A simple yahoo or google search would have alerted him to the fact that Lutfi should be the last person to be acting on behalf of Brit considering there was a TRO against him.
In terms of the signature, I have always felt that Lutfi forged Brit’s name because he probably knows how her signature looks like and Anderson does not. I still do not know how an attorney can agree to represent someone they have never met and talked to in person. Supposedly Brit has limited communication with the outside world but somehow Lutfi has the ability to get documents to her which she can sign and Lutfi can then bring it back to Anderson. How does Anderson really know if Brit wants his help?
We will never know what arguments Anderson may have made but an attorney, if they try hard enough, can find some case maybe a case outside of CA that supports their argument whether it would be successful is another story. Goetz made the original ruling and it would be Goetz who would rule on Anderson’s motion and I do not see Goetz reversing herself because she appears to be tired of “outsiders” like Eardley and Anderson interfering in this case.
June 24th, 2009 at 6:59 pm
Thanks, QB. If you are interested in some light reading check out James D. Livingston, public guardian, versus David L.
It asserts: ‘For the foregoing reasons, we conclude a prospective conservatee who requests substitute appointed counsel must be given a full opportunity to state the reasons for his request in accordance with Marsden, and the trial court’s failure to afford David a full opportunity to state his reasons for requesting substitute counsel violated his right to due process of law. Because of the termination of the 2007 conservatorship, however, we dismiss the appeal as moot.’
David L was amongst the points and authorities I believe. Thanks for putting things into a language we can all understand. I thought I had the process/meaning down but was crystal clear with understanding after your message.
And by the way. Anderson sent that notice to every attorney associated with BP108870. The only one to say anything to him was Wexler in terms of how he could be sure it was Britney’s signature. Wexler never said it was or wasn’t.
Meanwhile, I can’t quite disregard phone records from Britney to Lutfi but I am kind of with you as far as her signature. ‘Very close to getting her out’ is not the same thing as.. I just don’t get it. Not at all.
If Christina and Sam shared a phone, maybe she was calling Christina back but .. ah gee.
June 24th, 2009 at 7:00 pm
Steel. About Ian. You could see that one coming. I expect him to hear from Angelina next.
Why is it that when I think about Ian or visit his site I see someone whacking off?
June 24th, 2009 at 7:10 pm
QB. For what it’s worth I have talked I don’t know how many people into moving without ever having met a single rep from the company. All phone contact.
Also, I don’t think attorneys with a lot more experience than you or I have surf the Internet much.
June 24th, 2009 at 7:30 pm
I think that an agreement to represent someone in court is totally different than any other kind of agreement because the implications are great. In addition, you have to worry about confidentiality because you have no direct communication with the person you are supposedly representing.
I bet you Lutfi did not tell Anderson about the TRO, Lynne’s declaration or the contract that he signed promising to stay away from her. He probably also failed to metion how Eardley claimed to represent Brit when he removed the case to federal court and the federal court remanded the case to state court because Goetz said Brit lacked capacity to hire counsel and thus Eardley did not have the right to represent Brit.
Anderson did not have all the facts which was his main problem and I have no doubt that given the connections to Lutfi, Goetz would have dismissed his motion outright. An attorney has an ethical obligation to do a basic investigation and Anderson did not do that. Did he question Sam Lutfi? Did he know that Lutfi had three prior restraining orders against him? Did he contact Ingham before he strating drafting documents?
I’m pretty sure that there are situations where a person because of mental illness do not have the capacity to make any kind of decisions and in that case that persons needs to be protected from unscrupulous attorneys who seek to prey on them. I do not know if Brit still needs this kind of protection but I would be wary of an attorney who has a relationship with Lutfi.
June 24th, 2009 at 7:57 pm
I have some questions, easy to answer I hope.
I´m asking them, because there have been some action going on who I can’t understand why it not have been some talk about.
Who give Deborah Nadels name to Britney?
Was it Deborah Nadel who give Sam Lutfi order to medicate Lutfi order to medicate Britney Spears in the manors he said and did?
Are some different associations so eager to protect each other, so that’s why Sam Lutfi (and Deborah Nadel, IF she had given Sam Lutfi the “order”) not get under investigation about the way he empoisoned Britney, doing this medication, as he admit he had.
Who is the judge who not have looked on this matter?
Was Christina Lutfi oath-bound when she gave her testimony?
What happening if somebody given false testimony in US?
(I have looked for answer but just found this..
“Generally, obstruction charges are laid when it is discovered that a person questioned in an investigation, who is not a suspect, has lied to the investigating officers…”
http://www.uslaw.com/us_law_dictionary/o/Obstruction+of+Justice
Maybe someone else could find the answer there..
To much info in english for me
June 24th, 2009 at 7:58 pm
http://www.nolo.com/article.cfm/objectId/0D88D17B-51AC-4255-BCEDA3CD495E27F4/104/308/214/ART/
I cant find the right court to look for information on this Christina testimony..
June 24th, 2009 at 7:59 pm
correction:
Was it Deborah Nadel who give Sam Lutfi order to medicate Britney Spears in the manors he said, and did?
June 24th, 2009 at 9:48 pm
AMA-
I find it hard to believe that Brit’s psychiatrist would give Lutfi the order to “medicate” Brit. First, Lutfi is not a nurse and secondly it seems more likely that once Brit got the meds, Lutfi got ahold of them since he was living with her at the time and then he decided to take it upon himself to dispense her medication in the manner he saw fit.
There is no way to know if Brit was even aware that he was giving her the drugs. I would not be surprised if he was over medicating to her to better control her.
June 24th, 2009 at 11:12 pm
QB. All of that at 7:30 was in the testimony.
Anderson didn’t know about the prior history in the case.
I wonder that he didn’t investigate more thoroughly but Sam is such a charming guy and who the hell is this third party, mutual acquaintance that others respond to and begin to take action?
Is it just a line of b.s. that works every time or someone recognizable who knows all the players.
Interesting that Anderson prepared two sets of pleadings: One with Eardley and himself as co-attorneys and one without and in which case Anderson would have had nothing more to do with Eardley or Lutfi.
He said so himself in testimony. I would like to give him the benefit of the doubt but …
Ama. You know the history about drugging as well as any of us. You know the history too of rumors that Sam’s background was being looked into ala a police investigation. I wonder what happened with that.
A deal was made maybe?
June 25th, 2009 at 12:31 am
AM, I think you are right about Jamie and Sam having a contract. I always wondered why the restraining order was not made permanent. Here is this guy who admits to drugging your daughter and you leave him alone? Sam must have had something on him and/or Britney.
Fantasy, I remember when she did the promotion for In The Zone. Are you talking about the MTV special Britney did to promote her CD…when she mentions Madonna? I remember that scene. When I watched it at the time, she was excited about working with Madonna and Larry was more focused on having a big name attached to the project. I think Britney might have been just happy to work with her. I think Larry cared more about how he would use it promote Britney.
Fantasy, do you also remember a scene where she is leaving a club where she just performed and she is alone in the SUV with Felicia and she sees this man walking down the street and she says something like “where is he going? He’s probably going to visit his gf with flowers in his hand” or something like that. That whole scene was so sad because she was so quiet and you could just feel how much she wanted something like that. Something simple. Not so complicated. Or maybe wishing there was someone waiting for her at home.
I knew she wasn’t happy even back then.
June 25th, 2009 at 9:20 am
AM
“Ama. You know the history about drugging as well as any of us. You know the history too of rumors that Sam’s background was being looked into ala a police investigation. I wonder what happened with that. ”
I do not know everything as good as you does. Thats why I´m asking why nobody have react on the information that Lynne testimony to the police (?) about what Sam Lutfi, infront of witnesses said to her.
Have not Deborah Nadel denied that she have giving Sam Lutfi what I call “green light” to give Britney Spears medicie in the way he did?
(IF she was the dr in charge)
I ask, because in my country,and I think in many countries, it would have been investigated from the highest medicine control organanisation (dont know the name of it in US)
June 25th, 2009 at 9:21 am
correction:
Have Deborah Nadel denied that she have giving Sam Lutfi what I call “green light” to give Britney Spears medicie in the way he did?
(IF she was the dr in charge)
June 25th, 2009 at 12:28 pm
Ama. I don’t think Nadel ever talked to the press.
I was hopeful when I heard about Anna Nicole Smith and the statewide drug prescription database that helped to nab those who were getting and giving her drugs.
Arizona recently adopted the same prescription drug monitoring process. I did an article hoping to learn something that might assist in Britney’s case, but I interviewed some people along the way that altered the story.
I disbelieve that I know more than you do on Nadel. Near any theory or question I had I posted here. One thing that frustrates me is the photograph of Britney’s open purse. I can’t remember what prescription drug that was but it was obviously a sample package.
Here, those who can prescribe medication, often get free samples from pharmaceutical sales reps. Other than in Britney’s confidential medical records, there wouldn’t be any tracing or tracking of what she got, when she got it, dosage and so on.
You have voiced my frustration. My related frustration is the first 5150 when the ambulance was re-routed to Cedar-Sinai instead of UCLA. I don’t think that was part of the plan. I don’t think Nadel had practice privileges at Cedar. A simple phone call would confirm that.
I imagine that Britney was making enough sense in the ambulance to convey, hey, UCLA is not my hospital. I want to go to Cedar-Sinai: they have all of my medical records and those of my children.
I think TMZ caught Nadel on camera out with her child in a park. She didn’t say anything. She looked icey angry and left with her child.
Sorry to say I felt kind of good about it. I wonder how her life is now that it has been tainted with Lutfi and drugging the world’s most prominent superstar.
June 25th, 2009 at 12:31 pm
Fantasy. Small. I love the way you guys talk to each other and the way you talk about Brit. There is a gentleness to it. It is also quality information to someone like me.
Through all of you I see more into the past. It’s like technicolor.
June 25th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
Ama. One thing I did learn is that the Drug Enforcement Agency does not have automatic access to the statewide prescription drug monitoring process.
It is more to track down drug abusers and drug traffickers. A pharmacist can look up someone and see the number of practitioners that a customer is seeing and the drugs they are getting.
I learned that there are people who see multiple doctors to get controlled substances. It’s deceptive but not a crime. A pharmacist can alert insurance companies although most often an abuser uses cash. A pharmacist can also alert prescribers. The goal is to get those people help or so I was told.
June 25th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
I hear Steel saying, ya’think? Whatever Lutfi had was real enough for Berk to try to get him to sign a confidentiality agreement. Was that back in March 2008, when Lutfi’s alleged E story about contents in his car, was about to be launched or so he said?
June 25th, 2009 at 1:52 pm
Ama. Here is the Nadel video.
http://x17video.com/celebrity_video/britney_spears/dr_nadel_doesnt_want_to_talk_a.php
She called the cops. I feel bad she was with her kids but otherwise…
June 25th, 2009 at 1:55 pm
Eardley’s letter.
Prescription meds.
Lutfi.
Plus
Criminal defense attorney.
Confidentiality agreement.
No criminal charges.
IMAGE CONTROL
Re-read Eardley’s January 2008 letter and ask yourself what Lutfi may know.
June 25th, 2009 at 2:45 pm
Thanks for all the answers.
I have seldom felt so stupid, because I understand that the POINT on my question not comming thru.
I asked about this situation:
Sam Lutfi said that a doctor (dr Nadel?) have giving him instructions to giving Britney medicin in the way he did and also to keep Britney sleep for three days/nights or was it keeping her awake..
Well, anyway, it sounds like a CRAZY way to treat a person.
I do try to understand your description of what have happend, but ..forgive me Steel_ , I do belive you, but the whole process, or “course of events” are hard for me to follow.
*********
I find this..shall read it too, maybe I understand better then.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/06/sbt.01.html
June 25th, 2009 at 2:49 pm
Lutfi knows all things that happened in the house. He probably has pics.
Jamie in cahoots with Kaplan and K-Fed but what’s new? Need of a criminal attorney?
Image control? You just paint a loving family stepping in to intervene.
Britney didn’t need a criminal attorney in her custody hearings, but Jamie and the conservatorship did? The DUI expert herself?
Then there is the 5 yrs. ago story. Remember Sam used to talk about how he was the only one who knew about what happened 5 years ago to Britney? He stopped talking about that.
I don’t know, Steel. What is your theory please?
June 25th, 2009 at 2:50 pm
Ama, My note at 1:55 pm wasn’t aimed at you. I think you’re asking very valid questions!
You’re right. It doesn’t make sense that neither Nadel nor Lutfi were charged with any crimes.
But…That’s telling me something right there.
I’m thinking Lutfi knows something very important. It may (or may not) have to do with the letter of Eardley’s that was left in the Mercedes – the same letter which Berk (a criminal defense attorney) had taken possession of on behalf of Jamie.
June 25th, 2009 at 2:53 pm
AM, Did you notice anything peculiar in that letter? Regarding Jamie and Lynn?
June 25th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
QB, Can I ask a question? Maybe we’ve already covered this but…
What is the role of a criminal defense attorney? How are they different than any other attorney?
June 25th, 2009 at 2:59 pm
AM, Humour me for a minute…
When you’re reading that letter, try to put aside any feelings you have as to whether what is being alleged in it are true or untrue.
Because there are two options (or even more than two) that might explain the manner in which Eardley is referring to Jamie and Lynn.
I hope that makes sense…
June 25th, 2009 at 3:06 pm
Totally cool. I’ll read it again. I like your style.
June 25th, 2009 at 3:17 pm
AM, Also try to think back as to timelines. The order that things transpired in.
Britney was 5150′d (Jan. 3)
Eardley wrote his letter (Jan. 18?)
Britney was 5150′d again. (Jan. 31)
Where does Nadel fit in? Around what date would she have prescribed the two medications listed in Lynne’s deposition (or whatever you call that thingamajigger she filed at the start)?
June 25th, 2009 at 3:24 pm
http://www.hollyscoop.com/britney-spears/sam-lutfi-talks-to-barbara-walters-about-britney_14449.aspx
If Lutfi was crushing her meds and putting it in her food, I doubt he was doing it for very long. Note the date on this article.
Nobody can say for sure though. Just putting it out there for discussion.
June 25th, 2009 at 3:53 pm
Eardley letter dates Jan 28.
Jan 23, Blender arrives on stands exposing Danny Haines story
Jan 24, Sam deposed by Kaplan
Jan 27, X17 (Sam) reports Britney saw her psychiatrist Nadel during the evening
” rumors are published about Adnan is trying to sell video
Jan 28, Brit’s parents arrive into town (need to check source as Jamie already lived in LA) morning and head to Kevin’s house
” court documents released stating Britney may talk to her children by phone (People.com)
” Sam calls Barbara Walters and says Britney has mental issues, but that they are curable
” Britney asks where a Brit pap’s f buddy is, referring to Adnan
” Britney and Sam have huge fight
” Lynne spends the night, sees drugs
Jan 29, (morning after?) Sam calls Harvey Levine, says Britney’s family barged in. “They have an agenda. Their agenda is jealously because they don’t fit in. I do. They see her three times a year.”
June 25th, 2009 at 4:02 pm
So Eardley’s letter may have arrived the same day that Brit’s mom arrived in town?
I wonder if she read the letter BEFORE her mom arrived at her house?
June 25th, 2009 at 4:05 pm
Yes. And Berk testified it came by messenger to her recollection so it probably arrived the same day.
The letter arrived the same day Lynne was seen over at Kevin’s house? Lynne and Jamie had been seen a number of times by then visiting with their grandchildren, over there.
June 25th, 2009 at 4:06 pm
Steel. Weren’t the prescription drugs seen in her purse awhile before? Some around the inhaler?
June 25th, 2009 at 4:08 pm
Just a theory but I think he was doing it more consistently when Adnan showed up and Sam was losing control over her.
June 25th, 2009 at 4:09 pm
October 2007 http://www.hollywoodbackwash.com/britney-spears-carries-prescription-for-anti-sleep-medicine-in-her-purse/
June 25th, 2009 at 4:09 pm
Yes, the other meds were seen…in October?
And then there is the footage of her and Brett visiting a Target to pick up sleeping pills back around October ‘07. So that was not a Lutfi thing – that was a Lynne thing. (Those meds at least.)
June 25th, 2009 at 4:12 pm
Gee, it looks like I have a good memory. LOL
June 25th, 2009 at 4:13 pm
Top chef!
June 25th, 2009 at 4:15 pm
So was she taking meds to make her fall asleep? And then taking more meds to help her stay away? Yikes.
And that was three months before the additional meds were prescribed by Nadel.
And then there were also meds for ADHD mentioned in Lynne’s papers as well. (I think).
But that wasn’t what I was getting at with the questions about Eardley’s letter…
June 25th, 2009 at 4:18 pm
Just a side thought, but I know so many people who are addicted to Oxy’s and Percs. At least those weren’t showing up in her system!
June 25th, 2009 at 4:37 pm
Steel. Yeh, we got side tracked a tad.
@4:15 — how do we know Nadel prescribed those drugs and when?
How do we know those were sleeping drugs she picked up at Target?
Eardley went to the side for a bit.
June 25th, 2009 at 4:39 pm
Also a tad off topic. The pictures that X17 claims show Britney visiting her psychiatrist… aren’t those the same ones used or claimed to show her visiting Carla?
June 25th, 2009 at 4:47 pm
Well, somebody prescribed those drugs for her. But no matter who it was, they weren’t charged with any criminal wrongdoing.
Which is interesting…
June 25th, 2009 at 4:48 pm
Steel. I am not looking through that letter again. I do not see Jamie or Lynne mentioned.
June 25th, 2009 at 4:49 pm
“And when did you stop drinking?”
To talk about medication who not exist in her system is to almost telling that she use to take them..
As asking a NON alcoholic “And when did you stop drinking?”
Insidious way to trash a persons reputation, dont you all say?
This stupid lollipops still hunting me..
So stupid!
*********************
Also find this again, and some of the comments are interesting?
I mean about law things? AM, Steel_ and you all can decided if or not.
”””””””””
Also on the comment board:
“Sam is always in those black MRM shirts? So I looked it up and it is kind of funny…….It is a Fitness Drug company! February 22, 2008 9:20 PM”
x17online.com/…/courthouse_update_sams_hearing-02222008.php
June 25th, 2009 at 4:59 pm
Ama. I will wait for Steel to answer you, she being the better interpreter.
Meanwhile, Michael Sands also threatened Berk.
June 25th, 2009 at 5:15 pm
Its very common that people in any entertainment business get used to have this up and then down pills.
The working schemas they have to deal with are not done for human beings. Year after year, since the are kids.
And then on top of that, they dont have any privacy…
**********************************
About Britney..
Dont we know by now that she was
VERY HAPPY when it come to her kids
VERY UNHAPPY about her marriage,
Unhappy with the relation with her parents.
She was not in good balance, she was sad and tired and lost and felt alone, and did not trust anybody longer.
So why do we have to talk about her like she want to eat pills?
She needed them.
It was meant to be medication.
She wanted to live happy with her kids, and to have someone to trust.
Sadly her parents get obsessed with the grandchildren (they all get crazy about their grandchildren
) and Britney find it like they betrayed her.
THAT open up for Sam Lutfi. Or?
I guess it was he who planted “Your mother sleeping with your man” in Britneys head.
And don’t you think you all not could get fooled by that Sam Lutfi person.
(And the people around you. )
They are dangerous and so convincing, this mytomani psychopaths.
One feel very stupid the day when one realize how they have fool oneself.
Thouse who are honest admits it so.
A hard lesson to get over.
June 25th, 2009 at 5:18 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
June 25th, 2009 at 4:59 pm
.
…
Meanwhile, Michael Sands also threatened Berk.”
He did? When and how? And why?
June 25th, 2009 at 5:24 pm
Ama. I wonder that Nadel was also fooled by Sam’s charms. Why not? Walters said he seemed so caring.
June 25th, 2009 at 5:29 pm
AM..I dont know if I will call it charm
He did know what buttons to press, and if Nadel also get the treatment, why dont she admit it.
As it stand for now, it looks like Britney are the only one who get fooled.
He, Sam Lutfi, have restrainingorder before, because of his way to fool and treat people.
Sadly Britney did not know about them in time.
******************
About J Wright
The deal?
http://community.livejournal.com/ohnotheydidnt/2009/06/25/
June 25th, 2009 at 5:33 pm
All who have been fooled by Sam Lutfi should stand up, and say it out loud.
So it dont looked like Britney was the only one.
But most people are so cowardly and selfish
June 25th, 2009 at 5:48 pm
Holy crap. Off subject…. Michael Jackson has died or at least thats what is reported. Farrah and Michael on the same day.
June 25th, 2009 at 5:56 pm
Ama. What are you talking about? Others have come forward. Danny Haines?
http://www.bittenandbound.com/2008/01/29/could-sam-lutfi-lead-to-the-demise-of-britney-spears/
http://www.bittenandbound.com/2008/02/05/exclusive-more-sam-lutfi-text-messages-i-am-her-father-brother-boyfriend-and-god/
Second link is more people.
June 25th, 2009 at 5:59 pm
AM
New Supergroup “One Call” Touring With Britney Spears
http://community.livejournal.com/ohnotheydidnt/2009/06/25/
Did not the c-ship and J Wright ended the “question” they had last weak?
June 25th, 2009 at 6:02 pm
Ama, I hadn’t thought of adding another Wright group as part of making a settlement, but you could be right.
I don’t know what to think about that. Do you have a thought on it?
June 25th, 2009 at 6:02 pm
I think part of me wants to puke, Ama.
June 25th, 2009 at 6:06 pm
AM
Alli Simms for instance, if she not still believe in him?
People who dare to admit that they have been fooled.
Do you belive that Britney was the only one who not saw who Sam was?
Wonder about the people on some of the gossip sites/papers..
Did they know about his “personality” but pretend not to know?
Personal character and moral.
I know, one should not expect anything, moral is out of fashion.
Find a young women to trash and be happy (and rich)!
June 25th, 2009 at 6:10 pm
Oh gigi..
How sad.
What happend with all this very popular and loved persons?
What are life doing with them?
June 25th, 2009 at 6:34 pm
Amapola Says:
June 25th, 2009 at 4:49 pm
Insidious way to trash a persons reputation, dont you all say?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I actually meant the opposite.
June 25th, 2009 at 6:45 pm
AM, There’s a line in Eardley’s letter that pops out to me instantly. Ignoring it is like ignoring the “two white shirts” and the “my enemy of my enemy is my friend” stuff.
But okay…
On more important matters…Michael…
Wow.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOG8lwvVSmo
June 25th, 2009 at 6:51 pm
Don’t you all say…??
Honestly…?
That was a “flipping table” moment.
Laters.
June 25th, 2009 at 8:07 pm
Ama. Alli is still under his charm.
June 25th, 2009 at 8:14 pm
Steel. I will look in to it tomorrow, same as I left you a clue as to more records coming. I appreciate your style and maybe the reasons for it.
Yea. It is finally raining in this city.
Sorry if I seem callous re passing of Jackson and Fawcett. Some times it is better to stay aloft.
June 25th, 2009 at 8:17 pm
I say that but am still touched.
June 25th, 2009 at 10:20 pm
I am glad to see his closest friends are weighing in tonight. It was so unexpected. To be generous, no close friend would weigh in tonight.
Halperin has been talking about his ill-health for months.
Drugs aside. Enablers aside. I think Halperin was whacked out to his theories but …
June 26th, 2009 at 12:45 am
Brit released a statement and said something really nice about Michael and People.com has video of Brit and MJ performing together in 2001. I can’t tell you how upset I am. I was and will always be a huge Michael Jackson fan. I can’t even listen to his music right now because it hurts to hear it knowing that he is gone.
I wish I had the opportunity to watch him perform live and now I’ll never get the chance. R.I.P- King of Pop.
June 26th, 2009 at 12:35 pm
QB. I was very upset. Still am.
Steel is amassing information on the Jackson thread.
Meanwhile, Ian Halperin is an unredeemed putz.
June 26th, 2009 at 4:48 pm
Anyone just watch the live feed from TMZ?
June 26th, 2009 at 7:21 pm
Is anyone here? Anyone?
Mmkay. I’ll talk to myself. I don’t mind.
I got a funny feeling that Britney may be..umm…
up to something. Let me see how this plays out.
TTYL.
June 26th, 2009 at 7:45 pm
Good call, Fantasy.
Rosary? Check.
Starbucks? Check.
Random bathroom stops? Check.
Pink boots? Check.
Four outfit changes in one day? Check.
Teasing photogs? Check.
Where’s Pa? It’s like she’s taunting him or something…
Maybe getting close to the photogs so she can ask them questions??
June 26th, 2009 at 8:10 pm
She is wearing a ring on her ring finger.
You know, that finger you put diamond rings on when you’re engaged…??
June 26th, 2009 at 8:14 pm
St.Mag, I don’t know if you’re thinking what I am
but I think you’re leaning that way.
I just gotta see how this plays out.
I’m nerviously laughing now. Oh em gee. ha ha
June 26th, 2009 at 8:20 pm
*Lightbulb moment*
Oh em gee is right! LOL
June 26th, 2009 at 8:22 pm
Wow. I’m really laughing now.
Even though I know I shouldn’t laugh.
I don’t know…Are you thinking what I’m thinking? ‘Cause what I’m thinking is pretty far out there.
And if she’s up to what I think she’s up to…Oh my…!!
June 26th, 2009 at 8:22 pm
Fantasy. I have been here. It was awkward to know what to say.
I am so glad you changed the spirit of the board.
June 26th, 2009 at 8:24 pm
Fantasy. I meanwhile heard his name called twice and swore I saw him.
Someone who knows how to say his name? Beautiful. Griffin butchered it. This guy said it .. I loved it.
You two left out short baby doll dresses.
June 26th, 2009 at 8:25 pm
Okay, suddenly JM’s photo might look a little different to me. The one where he’s holding his hand to his mouth…
June 26th, 2009 at 8:28 pm
I’ve been wondering if all the things I’ve seen
Were ever real, ever really happening.
-Everyday Is A Winding Road by Sheryl Crow
(Still laughing nerviously.)
June 26th, 2009 at 8:35 pm
St.Mag., I am so not gonna blurt it out!!
But have you been to the other fansites?
The lead story of the last day is so sad but yet
what a way it could be used to… Do Somethin’.
Lots are distracted, you know.
Again. Gotta see how this plays out.
June 26th, 2009 at 8:43 pm
Okay, I don’t know if you’re thinking what I’m thinking…And I won’t blurt it out totally…
But…
I’m wondering. Is he in on the joke? Or the butt of the joke? Or is it no joke at all?
June 26th, 2009 at 9:01 pm
If he’s in on it then,damn ,he’s got a wicked
sense of humor. That is if this “he” is the same
he I’m thinking about. Geez. What I’d give to be
able to read minds.
June 26th, 2009 at 9:16 pm
Correction.
Nervously. Not nerviously.
June 26th, 2009 at 9:18 pm
LOL
Another way to put it…
I wonder if Jason is Team Jamie? Or Team Britney?
June 26th, 2009 at 9:24 pm
Steel_
“Gas station bathrooms, Starbucks and outfit changes. ZOMG 2007???”
All from JM site…
Very original.
Do we have to read about Britney and Jason “in love/marrige/” and so on here too?
Suddenly its feels like its childs I have spoken with the whole time..
You are joking around, are you not?
Becasue this JM site cant turn your head around?
MG, you are almost lawyers or something..
June 26th, 2009 at 9:26 pm
Amapola Says:
June 26th, 2009 at 9:24 pm
Suddenly its feels like its childs I have spoken with the whole time..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
If I was a bitch I’d tell you to stick it where the sun don’t shine.
But since I’m nice I’ll just ignore that.
Anyways…
June 26th, 2009 at 9:27 pm
Sorry, that was me picking up the table and hurling it against the wall.
My apologies.
June 26th, 2009 at 9:34 pm
Amapola, You know what? I AM a bitch. So here goes…
If there’s something you don’t understand, why don’t you ASK first, instead of acting all self-righteous and insulting other people here?
I’m asking you nicely to knock it off. M’Kay?
June 26th, 2009 at 9:35 pm
Oo-kay, checking out for the night.
Have a good night everyone.
June 26th, 2009 at 9:37 pm
Reading minds..
Long time since.
I think it was on the MT times the reading mind was on the board last.
“I hear you MT” and so on, even if he (?) dont have said a word for days.
Getting e-mails from people who get suprised, becasue they had not send any e-mail.
Is the stupidness from JM site flow over to this site?
FYI
“Britney Dealt With Jamie’s “Problems” As A Child
23 Jun 2009, by Jordan Miller”
VERY OLD articel.
Read it a number of time before. Even on JM site.
JM have lost it.
******************
How many of you do belive she is in love or going to married Jason T.
and how many of you thin Jason T are in love with Britney in a marrige way?
Are frindship a forgotten thing between man and women in US?
June 26th, 2009 at 9:38 pm
Is it silly of me to ask if the team’s have
merged? Even if only temporarily.
There are so many players on Team Jamie.
If you can’t beat ‘em then join ‘em?
My mind is giggling. I’m so odd in some ways.
June 26th, 2009 at 9:45 pm
Gotta go. Later!
June 26th, 2009 at 9:56 pm
Steel_
I stick out my nose and get a commet back.
You stick you your nose and get a comment back.
So get indignant that a table flying in throug your room
”””””””
You ask: “Are you thinking what I’m thinking? ‘Cause what I’m thinking is pretty far out there.´
And if she’s up to what I think she’s up to…Oh my”
”””””””’
If you cant say it loud in a comment one are living with guessing..and pardon me, I thougt you not was eager to speak right out, so I took it like you was asking for ´can you read my mind, what Im thinking of´, ´the joke´ and so on.
I keep my table on the floor.
June 26th, 2009 at 10:05 pm
Mayve they let Britney have her hair hanging out for some day, feeling free?
Maybe they do as they did when they let the “Horror Quenn Perez” start the Circus?
Make him feel important, and stay still?
Maybe they want gossip papers turn everything to the worst, even if it harmless, so they can close her down in a even longer c-chip?
Maybe they want her to call Adnan, and then get him look bad in the court?
Maybe its harmless and normal when one not working, having free day?
But as you know, on every pic, as comment, on sites and papers, they can write what they want and then people dont see whats happening, the have already getting an opinon.
People are very lazy.
June 27th, 2009 at 3:23 am
Oh my…wait and see….
June 27th, 2009 at 8:40 am
a lot of apwllinf corrections:
1. “Maybe they let Britney have her hair hanging out for some day, feeling free?
2. Sentence two ????? What can I have think of.. Unnestly, now I dont know.. Sorry
7. But as you know, on every pic, in comments, on sites and papers, they can write what they want and then people dont see whats happening, they have already getting an opinon.
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Want to say, that this sad who have happend last days, is not anything who a person who maybe not are strong, would take easy.
I do hope, IF Britney is still fragile, and in need of some support medicine, that somebody not take it away from her right now. (Doing so would be almost an “aggressive” act)
N.B. IF she is in need of any medication. IF.
(Because I still not understand how any of this celeb persons can stay and live the life they do.
Its not a life, its a for ever ongoing horror mowie, if you ask me.)
June 27th, 2009 at 8:46 am
More corrections:
“Amapola Says:
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June 26th, 2009 at 9:56 pm
Steel_
I stick out my nose and get a commet back.
You stick you your nose and get a comment back.
Get so indignant that a table flying in throug your room ?
June 27th, 2009 at 8:48 am
Ohh.. mad on myself, not “commet”
Comment, comment, comment
June 27th, 2009 at 9:00 am
???
“Amapola Says:
June 27th, 2009 at 8:40 am
a lot of apwllinf corrections:
apwllinf ???
“Spelling corrections” was what i write.
FYI, I´m sober, very sober, even yesterday.
June 27th, 2009 at 10:01 am
Fantasy Says:
June 26th, 2009 at 9:38 pm
Is it silly of me to ask if the team’s have
merged? Even if only temporarily.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I’m just wondering what the end goal might be. I could be wrong, but I’m not sensing any kind of love vibes radiating off of this situation. So…
I’m wondering if there’s ulterior motives behind what’s going on…??
But yeah, I’m thinking a merging of the teams isn’t out of the question. In fact, it would be required. Big time.
June 27th, 2009 at 10:12 am
By ulterior motives, I’m speaking in a legal sense.
June 27th, 2009 at 1:43 pm
Blair Berk wisdom:
“But what most distinguishes celebrity defendants from their less-famous counterparts, said Blair Berk, a lawyer in Los Angeles who has defended several Hollywood celebrities, is wealth.
“The quality of justice that someone like Michael Jackson received is solely about money,” Ms. Berk said.
“Having a lawyer who not only demands a fair trial but has the resources to assure it has become a precious thing in the United States.
We really do, unfortunately, now have two systems of justice, but it has nothing to do with how famous you are.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/15/national/15celebrity.html
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We must always remember that its not Britney herself, its the people around her, who using her wealth.
June 27th, 2009 at 4:12 pm
Hey guys? Couple of thoughts.
Trawick and scowling Britney looking remarkable in black/white outfit with boots. Anyone notice that Trawick is looking scruffier and scruffier? Whatever bloom he had is gone and he’s certainly not trying to woo anyone with that uneven beard.
When was the last time we saw Britney DINE out? A place with waiters/waitresses, a maitre’d, intimacy, privacy ..
Moving on. Anyone remember any scuttle off hand for May 29, 2008? http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20203305,00.html
I got some mail from Florida. It’s dry reading. I wish you were here, QB, but this is what I am getting. Plaintiffs did NOT establish that Britney was incompetent or incapacitated. Instead they argued for California law, that e.g., Britney was not a party to the suit because she was a conservatee and also that California had a right to protect a conservatee from a deposition.
Plaintiffs did refer back to Feb 6th (capacity) and May 29th (can’t participate in a meaningful way and it would be harmful for her to be deposed or testify).
The documents I have are dated October 2008 and I’ll try to post the chronology in them a little later. Townsend was acting in the knowledge that the c-ship would terminate Dec 31, 2008 but had been patiently waiting so long and Britney was doing so well and now was heading off for an international tour which Townsend imagined would defer the deposition for even longer.
Spears’ team argued about jurisdiction and also that as the discovery cut-off date was for Jan 2010 that it was doubted plaintiffs could argue about suffering any.
But then there is some interesting scuttle about trying to get the court going in L.A. (dry reading, need to read again although it’s interesting info) and they wouldn’t let Townsend participate by phone. So Townsend had to hire an outside litigator which obviously cost them alot.
There was a battle for jurisdiction.
May 29, 2008. The court found that Britney could not meaningful participate in conservatorship proceedings or in any other litigation including discovery.
So much for Britney being able to come to court any time by free will. Did you guys have the impression she could just ask?
The LA Superior Court case summary shows zero activity from 9/29 to 11/21. Lots missing or lots under seal. Townsend’s subpoena to Britney but served electronically 10-23-08 with a deposition scheduled for 11-17-08
I don’t think Townsend was going to stop pushing for a deposition. According to the documents, argued by Defendants, he could get his deposition when the c-ship ended or a court ordered that Britney could be deposed. Ultimately they argued about California’s jurisdiction rather than competence or capacity.
I feel ill like oh, so that’s how they got around it and they did get their protective order too, upholding California jurisdiction over a conservatee, the very one that was presented to John Anderson on January 27, 2009. The order came from Camp Spears’ points and authorities (including May 29, 2008) from October 2008. Townsend contested. Sam Ingham? “stated that he consents to the Application and will appear at the hearing on the Application.”
Discuss please? I could use a little help.
June 27th, 2009 at 4:25 pm
City News Service
May 29, 2008 Thursday 4:44 PM PST
Spears Attorney Says His Client Still Has Competency Issues
Britney Spears is behaving better in public, but she still is not competent to take part in her conservatorship proceedings and other business-related litigation, her attorney told a court commissioner today.
“In fact, it could be harmful for her,” said Samuel D. Ingham III, who was appointed earlier this year by Los An-geles Superior Court Commissioner Reva Goetz to look after Spears’ interests after a temporary conservatorship was set up for her and her finances.
Ingham made the statement during a status conference in the conservatorship, which was preceded by a lengthy meeting in chambers between Goetz and attorneys representing Spears and her father, Jamie Spears.
According to Ingham, Spears — who did not attend the hearing — is not fit to take part in depositions or in other in-formation-gathering activities leading up to the July 31 trial on whether the temporary conservatorship should be ex-tended. She also is not well enough to participate in litigation involving her businesses, he added.
Jamie Spears has temporary conservatorship over his daughter and is the interim co-conservator of her estate — along with attorney Andrew Wallet — following the pop singer’s temporary stay earlier this year at UCLA Medical Center on a psychiatric hold.
Jamie Spears was not present today, but Goetz ruled that a recent declaration he submitted to the court in connec-tion with the temporary conservatorship will not be released to the public until medical and other personal information is removed.
Wallet was present, but did not address the court in open session.
Goetz set another status conference for June 17 for an update on Spears’ condition.
(fyi, I have found City News Service as not 100% unreliable and unbiased as other coverage from LA. I read between the lines when I read it.)
June 27th, 2009 at 5:45 pm
About my comment “Amapola Says:
June 27th, 2009 at 1:43 pm ”
I thougt someone should say someting like:
“Yeah, and what justice can Adnan get, if this people against him, is people representing the wealth of the c-chip of Britney Spears.”
June 27th, 2009 at 6:36 pm
Ama. I don’t know if I wrote that I thought the article was a very good find. By fair trial, I wonder did she include the media as part of that?
How does one ensure a fair trial? What did she mean by that? I understand hiring the best lawyers and financially being able to out-last and out-research poorer people.
I am still a little haunted by Wyle meeting with Anderson to talk about the media and then billing for it. (it was in Freedman/Diamond rebuttal against the list of attorney’s fees).
Meanwhile, I am putting what I’ve got into a timeline re the WEG case. I think you see the value in fighting for the pair, Britney and Adnan, not just Adnan? One can help the other I believe and both are in trouble.
Either way, someone like me and others will cipher the media and maybe even figure out how to respond against it. I still have hope.
June 27th, 2009 at 7:20 pm
QB. This is for you. Points and arguments.
There is good cause for granting a protective order against the taking of Britney’s deposition until this court terminates the conservatorship or orders that the deposition maybe go forward.
a) The Court has Jurisdiction under Section 2029.010 to Enter a Protective Order
(I won’t bore us but you can look it up if you wish)
b) The Court should enter a protective order.
Ref Cal. Civ. Proc. Code 2025.420 that a deponent may move for a protective order etc. Then same code (b).
Suffice, argument “For reasons relief upon by the Court in establishing a conservatorship and in entering the Feb 6 Order and the findings made by teh Court at the May 29 hearing, it would be highly inappropriate for the Florida plaintiffs to take Britney’s deposition at this time, and the Court therefore order that Britney’s deposition be deferred pending either termination of the conservatorship or a determination by the Cour that Britney is able to sit for a deposition (and, if so, under what conditions).
It goes on to suggest how WEG shouldn’t suffer from this.
Steel and all. I could almost map out actions in the c-ship between Britney being allowed her own trial to determine the necessity of a c-ship and WEG’s push to depose Spears.
WEG’s team sent got permission (commissions in other states) to send out a slew of subpoenas. That was May 7, 2008 but everything began in February.
Didn’t Britney answers questions in FTR? “Do I know my life is weird?” Go out? “We would probably need security.” Ever ridden a donkey, Britney?
Then there is Berk asking questions as well about Eardley, Sam, and what else.
QB. What is the difference?
June 27th, 2009 at 7:41 pm
http://twitter.com/SamLutfi
June 27th, 2009 at 8:07 pm
Thanks, MH. I wonder what got into him.
Meanwhile, one more thing about WEG and that protective order: Britney has answered any number of questions asked by Berk and was still well enough to train and tour.
June 27th, 2009 at 8:10 pm
MH. That is creepy. I don’t know where I just saw it but it said the same thing about Jackson and people being afraid to say no.
MH can you confirm that matinatoxic doesn’t exist as a page or user?
June 27th, 2009 at 8:41 pm
Got it, MH. Thanks again.
June 27th, 2009 at 10:37 pm
“Amethyst Mine Says:
June 27th, 2009 at 6:36 pm
Ama. I don’t know if I wrote that I thought the article was a very good find. ”
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Now I think is the perfect time to reach out to reach out to you and hopefully get a solution and finish about this belives you have about me, that I´m in need for any acknowledgement when I find some information. I talking about this info I find about Blairs saying 2005.
The important thing is what Blair said.
That I find it, was NOT important, and not even something to mention.
I get, I don’t know what to call it, emarressed(?) that you belive I needed conformation in any way.
So AM, please! Don’t get angry on me, understand how I “see” on the matters.
Look on whats important in the message, and not who was finding it.
And now we can go on talking.. Without hard feelings I hope.
(I understand that you probley have get in touch with people on the web, who want to be mention as “finders” and who are waiting for verbal “rewards”. Not me, not me at all.
Again, the message is the important, not the messenger in this.
About the twitter from Sam Lutfi?
Is it really Sam Lutfi??
If so, he crossing a line now.
He accuse Jamie for very scary things, and I think this must be some action against.
Also, Sam try to force Adnan into his sisters and his own actions.
Jamie should act against Sam now. Pronto!
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About MJ. Here they say: He died of solitude, thats whats killed him. Even if they find other thing in his body.
The loneliness was what to killed him.
June 27th, 2009 at 10:48 pm
Note to self: Don’t feed the trolls.
June 27th, 2009 at 10:49 pm
That’s a pretty bold move for him to be Twittering away like that.
June 27th, 2009 at 11:12 pm
Ama. I felt gratitude to see something that opened my mind. Next time I will remember your embarrassment and simply focus on the content.
As to Sam trying to force Adnan into his own action? That is something worth fighting for: to disentangle the pair, here and in the media.
I’ve been thinking it through the past few days, how unalike they are for example. One had a full-time job and made phone calls to X17 etc., while one worked hard, twenty hour days. One sought to help her? One sought to parade and ruin her. Something like that.
Is the Sam Twitter real? I don’t know. I am beginning to doubt it considering how stale his posts were the past 24. Anyone could have imitated him and his picture? Anyone can get that picture, use it, pretend to be Sam.
June 27th, 2009 at 11:36 pm
Fantasy. Just curious. Did you notice a turn of tide on embracing Trawick on BH?
There seem to be few who don’t think he’s old versus when the story was first promoted.
I think the black/white outfit meanwhile was a go-see. They were in an office building. They seemed to be late. A go-see is a modeling term for a quick in/out go-see, possible quick photograph(s). (said for Ama more than you)
I don’t know what you, Steel and small are on to but I am with the don’t blurt it out program. Is it a little bit like here kitty kitty?
June 27th, 2009 at 11:38 pm
Part of that sounded condescending. I apologize. I think most of us know what a go-see is.
June 28th, 2009 at 12:04 am
I didn’t know what a go-see was. I haven’t done much modeling. LOL
June 28th, 2009 at 12:12 am
LOL! You don’t watch top model? I kid.
June 28th, 2009 at 12:17 am
I watched it for the first time this week…The one where they were modelling in the water? And Isis got the boot?
I couldn’t tear my eyes away…And was completely embarrassed about it. LOL
June 28th, 2009 at 12:46 am
I hate to say what an indulgence it is when they rerun the shows. I am ready to walk away then page forward,… but wait. This might be where they announce the winner! I can’t watch the show week by week but I love it compacted.
I like top designer too. They are artists afterall and they struggle inside.
It’s all embarrassing of course, but there I am. Self-confrontative and saying you know what f it.
Fantasy is rather emboldening when it comes to this. Who knew.
Have you seen Nurse Jackie? Edgy.
June 28th, 2009 at 1:11 am
Judge for yourselves. Video of the romance we’ve been seeing.
Meanwhile, note what the paparazzi say to Trawick.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uI7UuWyp6a4
By the way. It’s ah-d-nan not ad-nan. Wish you guys would have heard it the way I heard it on live feed yesterday.
June 28th, 2009 at 1:12 am
Ama, I kid about romance at 1:11 a.m. I was being sarcastic.
June 28th, 2009 at 1:29 am
Meathead. Are you lurking? What are your thoughts? You seem to be one who could offer a fresh perspective and that would be more interesting and helpful than who makes the most sense to you.
Opine? Anything on the WEG case you think could help Addy? I kind of think there is but looking for a second opinion.
I have a feeling prosecution is going to insist that all things be relevant to the morning of the car and Moskowitz but even she said there wouldn’t be a crime without Britney Spears.
In my dreams. Declaration of Britney Spears. Meanwhile there is reality but then there is also possibility.
Can any of you believe that Britney can’t participate in conservatorship proceedings because Ingham said so? May 2008? She’s able to answer Berk’s questions and presumably others but no, she can’t have a say in convervatorship proceedings other than to ask Berk for help and Berk’s no help. None. She works for Jamie. Not Britney.
June 28th, 2009 at 10:11 am
I don’t think she’s going to be able to go anywhere for the rest of her life without the paps yelling his name.
June 28th, 2009 at 11:55 am
“Steel_Magnolia Says:
June 28th, 2009 at 10:11 am ”
I do think the same.
The sad things is that among those paps are real enemies to Adnan.
Oh, how I wish I had the name of some of them.
(Want to give them a reminder in my “special” way. You remember Steel_?
Sadly the last time, “the force” was to strong. )
June 28th, 2009 at 12:10 pm
About this Bernie Madoff Madoff case.
The people who have lost their money on giving him the right to speculate with their money, they must be very lucky to not being too young, having grandparents around their feets, saying: “They/he/she can’t take care of their wealth, so we demand for a c-chip”.
Or to old..Kids saying: “They/he/she can’t take care of their wealth, so we want c-ship”.
The stunt Sam Lutfi try to do was a “per thousand (mille)”, but yet the same. Lies, lies and more lies. Fooling people.
BM know he have to be polite, his future depend on that, if he shall have some “mercy” from the court.
Sam Lutfi don’t seam to feel that he need to show any polite. Wonder WHY?
June 28th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
Steel_
We dont need to use the word.. please please please (look at my blossing red face now)
””””””’
AM, about that special thing I saw before..
Dont know if someone reading here, but now its gone!
In fact, very soon after writing about ” a perhaps special message” it was gone. Maybe a coincidence, but who knows.
Of cource a coincidence.
June 28th, 2009 at 2:20 pm
Is it not ULI calling out Adnan’s name?
I think yes.
STFU already.
June 28th, 2009 at 3:40 pm
MH. What are you talking about? Adnan was not at the gas station. Who are you telling to STFU?
?
By the way, who leaves any adult in a car without their keys? Especially the person in the driver’s seat? Air-conditioning, music,.. at least they left the window open for her which she couldn’t close without keys. Bastards.
June 28th, 2009 at 4:11 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
June 28th, 2009 at 3:40 pm
MH. What are you talking about? Adnan was not at the gas station. Who are you telling to STFU?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I took it that the paps there were taunting/teasing her by calling Adnan’s name…Especially when her alleged “boyfriend” is there to hear it. They’re saying it to try to get a reaction out of her – any kind of reaction. And yes, I’d believe that it could be Adnan’s own friends doing it.
(Have you listened to the video from the first night that Adnan and Brit “hooked up,” when she’s in the bathroom and he’s waiting for her outside? It’s the JFX boys yelling out to him, asking him to give a shout-out to “JFX Online.”)
June 28th, 2009 at 5:21 pm
Warning more legal stuff.
So, after Camp Spears (CS) filed for an Ex-Parte Application for Order Granting Protective Order Against Deposition of Temporary Conservatee, Britney Spears, before the Los Angeles Superior Court (did we all see what happened here?)WEG responded.
Procedural background:
1. “This matter involves an effort by CS to “forum shop for discovery orders and to circumvent a stipulation and agreed order for Florida jurisdiction over discovery matters pending in the Florida litigation. The Conservators attempt to apply for an ex-parte protective order in the California courts is improper and violates their agreement and this Court’s orders (Exhibit A – Defendants’ Application). Additionally, the Convervators seek to expand the findings of this Court to improperly insulate the Convervatee from discovery.”
2. WEG managed Spears’ career as we know
3. WEG filed a complaint 10/26/07
4. “The Conservators appeared in the instant action a year ago on March 24, 2008 and filed their answer and affirmative defenses on May 14, 2008.”
5. The orders appointing CS as conservators was filed under seal in LA and not furnished to WEG until March 24, 2008 (note by WEG: The motion was filed on the same day that Britney made a nationwide appearance on HIMYM which received rave reviews. ((Exhibit C – Associated Press “Will Britney Spears Return to ‘Mother’?”)). The conservatorship ends on December 31, 2008, but there is a status conference on October 28, 2008 when the California court may terminate the conservatorship early.
6. On 12/18/07 the clerk order a default judgment against Spears and BTI.
7. On 2/12/08 WEG moved for Final Judgment. Final Judgment was entered 2/14/08 on the issue of liability only, reserving final judgment as to damages until trial.
8. On 4/29/08 the Florida court issued its agreed order vacating final default judgment wherein CS consented to: jurisdiction of FLA court; Spears provide an accounting under WEG’s management agreement (Steel, this included the SBJ Trust); to serve their answer and affirmative defenses to the complaint; that the Florida court would retain jurisdiction to enforce all matters related thereto. These terms were specifically negotiated in consideration for setting aside the default judgments against the CS.
9. 5/9/08, FLA issued a Case Management Order governing discovery. FLA retained jurisdiction to enforce all discovery disputes.
10. 5/14/08, CS further consented to FLA’s jurisdiction and venue in Orange County by their filing of CS’s answer, affirmative, etc.
11. Furthermore, CS admitted that WEG was entitled to an accounting of gross receipts (lists all those businesses and trust funds that Spears founded)
[From me: 5/29/08 media reports that it would be harmful for Britney to answer questions and lacked the ability to participate in any meaningful way]
12. 7/30/08 temp c-ship extended to 12/08
13. “Plaintiffs have waited patiently for months to take SPEARS’ deposition and noticed the same on 10/14/08 for 11/17/08. SPEARS’ new album releases 12/2/08, and upon information and belief, Spears has been performing, and appearing on national television (MTV)…” national magazines and “…an international tour has been booked which would cause further delay in the opportunity to depose Spears.” (Steel, had the international leg been announced by then 10/08)
14. CS recently moved the Florida court to assert counterclaims and to amend affirmative defenses, which further supports CS’s need for discovery and depositions.
15. it is reasonable, given the album, television interviews for international audiences, etc. that Spears may give testimony “..before the temporary conservatorship terminates, or if she is incapacitated, Defendants must provide evidence of such sufficient to meet her burden for a protective order.
16. CS “..has not set a hearing without formal notice on declarations before the Superior Court of the State of California…on Defendants’ ex-part application for order granting a protective order against deposition of temporary conservatee Britney Spears in Florida Action; Memorandum of points and authorities for Tuesday, 10/28/08 at 8:30 a.m. in Case No. BP-108870 to appear before the Honorable Reva Goetz.
[from me: call it coincidence but none of this activity is in the case summary in LA. Also, 01/08/09 the case appears as BS118546 and the LA attorney for WEG is William Sayers. A Commission was issued. QB, can you confirm that a Commission would have been to do a deposition? I know you need one to issue out of state subpoenas..]
17. The gravaman (core legal issue) of CS’s application is Spears’ capacity, yet they present no evidence that Defendant Spears is incompetent at the present time, only eight (8) month old except the conservatorship orders. (A “Section 730 psychological report” by Stephen Marmer, MD, Phd, was ordered by the California court on Feb 14, 2008 under the California Evidence Code, but has not been provided to WEG (Exhibit “I”/4)
18. WEG was forced to hire California (William Sayer) to appear and file briefing and have incurred costs and fees attendant hereto. CS has opposed Townsend from telephonic appearance to rep WEG’s interests.
[strike you anyone, how close Townsend was to forcing the issue of capacity and competence?]
Memorandum of Law
WEG is entitled to an injunction and santions
a) CS “served” WEG on Friday 10/24/08 (but Cohen stated she had talked by phone with WEG 10/21 and 10/23) CS began unwarrante discovery litigation in LA. “The application subverts the express provisions of the choice of law and forum stipulations memorialized in FLA’s court orders and CS’s own answer.”
b) WEG makes argument as to FLA law, contractual agreements and so on. A number of cases are sited.
c)CS is “estopped from challenging the choice of forum and choice of law clauses.”
d) “The conservators have made no motion in the Florida Court that has jurisdiction in this matter. CS can agree that the FLA court may consider the findings of the California court, but these findings are dated and not conclusive of whether deposition is an “undue burden” as defined by either FLA law or by CA Code of Civil Procedure 2025.420(a)
e) It is nonsensical for the conservators to ask this court to exercise redundant duplicative jurisdiction.
f) Florida courts will enjoy efforts to interfere with their jurisdiction. WEG is entitled to an injunction enjoying CS from undermining the choice of forum and choice of law stipulation and orders. WEG sites AutoNation, Inc. v. Hankins.
g) WEG otherwise meets the common law requirement for a preliminary injunction.
h) In the absense of this WEG will suffer immediate and irreparable harm. “Rather than resolve the parties’ dispute in a convenient and agreed location, CS seek to drag WEG into a forum which will result in WEG having to litigate discovery issues in two jurisdictions. WEG has demonstrated that they will be subjected to irreparable harm…
i) There exists no adequate alternative remedy at law
j) WEG has established a likelihood of success on the merits. A reading of the Florida court’s order and the choice of law and forum stipulation make it apparent that WEG has a likelihood of success on the merits of their claims.
k) The public interest will be served by the temporary injunction.
Certificate of Good Faith Conference
WEG emailed CS requesting withdrawal of the application for a protective order on several occasions and has notified them of this motion with no response to date.
Conclusion.
Includes directing CS to dismiss their application for a protective order against a deposition.
Granting WEG’s attorney’s fees and costs for a protective order in a foreign forum in violating FLA’s previous orders dated 4/29/08 and 5/8/08
10/27/08 signed and filed.
So how about it folks? Think any of this affected the permanent c-ship arrangement? If so, why, how.
June 28th, 2009 at 5:24 pm
Steel. I read it completely different. I read that they were calling Trawick Adnan because of late he’s been getting her gas, getting things from inside the store, carrying her things etc.
He’s the new Adnan. They wanted a reaction and they didn’t get on. Remember I think they were planning on what to say? One was going to ask about Michael Jackson again and the other brings up Adnan. I’ll have to listen again but that is how I read the set-up.
June 28th, 2009 at 5:25 pm
And it is Trawick they are saying Adnan to.
These were not Adnan’s friends. They can’t even say his name right or with warmth or respect.
ADnan. No one who is a friend of his calls him that, that I know.
If you would have heard and seen the live feed on Friday outside the Coroner’s office you could compare. Of course you also have old videos to watch including Pap 101.
June 28th, 2009 at 5:53 pm
I think MH will have to clarify who she’s directing her post at. I assumed it was towards the comments about directing ill on the people shouting his name. But I’m unsure.
June 28th, 2009 at 5:57 pm
Typo. “Ill will towards…”
June 28th, 2009 at 6:09 pm
I’m saying that I believe it was ULI of JFX that called out Adnan’s name, causing Britney to turn her head, others laughed. I believe Jason was in the store at the time. Not gonna go check the vid again but that’s what I remember and got out of it.
I was telling ULI to STFU.
June 28th, 2009 at 6:21 pm
MH, If it was Uli it’s his mouth and he can say
whatever the hell he wants.
Who are you to tell anyone to STFU?
He can act and feel however he wants.
If you don’t like it then…..
Ha ha ha ha. I’m LOLing my silly ass off!!!
I’m only playing around MH.
Sorry for dorking out. I just couldn’t help it.
If anybody doesn’t get it I’m just making fun of
what MH said to me about JM. Sorry guys.
I couldn’t let the opportunity pass me by.
Anyway. Carry on y’all.
June 28th, 2009 at 6:41 pm
“Really funny laugh”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFpOiX515w
June 28th, 2009 at 6:48 pm
Okay, that makes sense. I thought MH was telling either me or Amapola to STFU. LOL
I got the same thing out of the video. I just didn’t know if MH realized I got the same thing out of the video…And thought she was telling me to STFU already. But yeah, I didn’t think it was an enemy of Adnan doing it, by any means.
June 28th, 2009 at 6:49 pm
Look at this link instead, same but different
(Better comments)
Dad at Comedy Barn
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4Y4keqTV6w
June 28th, 2009 at 7:03 pm
Whanh! WEG/Spears took a long long time to type up to share with ya’ll. Rather than proof positive of Britney’s inabilities to have competence or capacity outside the c-ship, they made the permanent. These people will stop at no lengths.
ok, carry on.
June 28th, 2009 at 7:09 pm
Oh I see. I didn’t see/hear the first deploy of “Adnan.” I just heard it when Trawick was coming out and before with laughter about the Adnan bit.
I don’t think Uli would do such a thing to Britney or to Adnan.
June 28th, 2009 at 7:10 pm
Fantasy. You are a character.
June 28th, 2009 at 7:30 pm
I was reading the Lutfi Twitter comments from the
other day and in one tweet he writes that the man
(I assume he means Jamie) abused her in EVERY way.
(Her = Britney)Could that be part of the major
nuclear bombish shiz that he’s holding over Jamie?
A while back I was reading some comments on X17
and there was someone there claiming to be from
the Spears’s neck of the woods and they said many
things that were unbelieveably disturbing. One of
the things that was hinted at was what Lutfi is,
I guess, hinting at in his tweet.
Do you think that there was more than emotional
and verbal abuse occuring in the Spears home than
what we know of?
There’s something that Lutfi knows that Jamie
doesn’t want out in the open. I was wondering if
the secret or whatever you wanna call it could
be something of that nature.
June 28th, 2009 at 7:35 pm
Fantasy. That has been on my mind from the get-go.
June 28th, 2009 at 7:37 pm
Fantasy. I was going to kid you the other day about “the ring” (I was going to sideline off of rosaries) as exhalers were hot on the draw as to whether it was Adnan’s ring. One EH’er blew up a picture. Did you happen to see it?
I don’t see any encrusted diamonds. I see a crown. It was interesting the way it was pointed.
June 28th, 2009 at 7:45 pm
“You know, this is so much more than a magazine article – we’ve been doing dictation, she’s been telling me her story, and I’ve been writing it all down. It would make a great book!” Lutfi tells Rolling Stone.
http://www.dose.ca/celeb/story.html?id=068a47fc-e276-451e-95c6-5914abedbcb8&k=1635
June 28th, 2009 at 7:53 pm
Yes, I saw the super sized pic of the ring.
You’re right as to what it looks like.
No. It’s not the ring that Adnan had.
If I’m not mistaken Adnan’s ring has the Islamic
symbol of the crescent moon and a star.
It’s odd and to me unnatural as to how the ring
that Britney’s been wearing since coming back
from Ireland has been so…ummm….blatantly on
display. Britney kind of (used to) have a way-her
way-of f’ing with the paps by wearing certain
things with “messages” on them.
I could be reading too much into it but I do think
that she is saying something with her hand gesture
lately. What is she saying? I don’t know for sure.
But she is speaking. Clever little woman, huh.
June 28th, 2009 at 7:58 pm
Is it a crown, or flames?
Either way, it doesn’t look like any kind of ring I’ve ever seen.
But yeah…Those hand gestures sure are prominent.
June 28th, 2009 at 8:24 pm
The other day I said that my mind is wandering.
I said something else of a mergering of teams.
I think that all of those British articles were
totally fake. I don’t believe that she’s been
interviewed since Rolling Stone. What ever
happened to the Vanity Fair thing?
Even the Glamour mag 2008 interview sounded fake
at some points.
No one really has any idea as to what she is
feeling right now. Has she backed down from trying
to get out of the c-ship or just playing it cool
for the time being? Where does Trawick fit into
the script? Was he originally apart of it or not?
I totally don’t know. Excuse me for sounding
however I come across, but all the script talk
from months back has got me to thinking that, you
know, what if Britney has her own damn script
written. Which should I concentrate on?
Okay, hello! I’m back from the neighborhood of
make believe. That sounds so crazy. Doesn’t it?
I’m thinking of what Doc said. I have invested
a lot of time into this shiz. It’s starting to
show. I’m starting to crack. Oh em gee.
June 28th, 2009 at 8:28 pm
You’re just getting warmed up, huh Fantasy? LOL. I can not wait.
June 28th, 2009 at 8:33 pm
I thought the ring was a crown and thought it interesting to be worn upside down.
Well what do I know about Adnan this and that, and rings.
Trawick must be of awesome use, escape from Brett for one, but why leave Britney alone in a car with no keys?
On a somewhat mischievous topic of being left alone in a car, keys aside, … if anyone ran a package to Britney, why not Christina? She was successful before. Why f with the system?
Fantasy. I could never see Adnan’s ring close enough to make out the symbols you thought you saw. Are you sure? I think those symbols are something the world would have run with to sell tabloids and fuel the story of Britney leaving the country for what country was it? Remember Britney was leaving the country for Islam?
June 28th, 2009 at 8:36 pm
Fantasy. I don’t think anyone has disguised Lutfi penchant for young homosexuals. Maybe it was deceptive on Lutfi’s part but he must have been convincing.
JM is flaming. I have to agree with others. Chad too. I think Jason Kennedy also but that’s just an opinion.
JM has been coming out. You were there before I was. Did he always attract so many gays?
June 28th, 2009 at 8:40 pm
Fantasy. Trawick was ticket into modeling, TV, and so on. I think. He was also someone Britney once trusted or thought of as a friend and agent, I think.
William Morris has recognizable cache.
Trawick is also used to being shot with Britney. They likely have a sense of humor, and maybe even enjoyment f’ing with the paps.
June 28th, 2009 at 8:40 pm
Fantasy, I took a month and a half break from here. I’d pop in for a few seconds and think to myself, “God, don’t they ever get sick of talking about this stuff?” But the minute I actually had time to read some posts I was right back in there. Without missing a beat! LOL
Doc’s right…To a degree. But then I’ve also found him to be a little…unnecessarily ornery at times? Moody? Condescending? So now I just try to ignore him whenever possible. LOL
I do think Brit has her own script. In my own wandering mind, I think she tried something back in January, it didn’t work, so she switched to Plan B. I think she’s moved on, and is handling the situation the best way she knows how.
My two cents on the ring? I think she’s eff’ing with paps, because she knows it increases her star power. I’m thinking that Pa lets her go out in public with Jason (who she just happens to have a comfortable friendly relationship with), and if she’s not with him, she has to choose someone else to accompany her. So I’m wondering if he’s just her best choice, for the time being.
She still doesn’t appear to have any actual real friends…And until I see her walking around with a friend (without an assistant in tow) I’m going to continue to be suspicious.
And all these interviews she’s been doing? They sound to me like they’ve all been written by a publicist. Big time.
June 28th, 2009 at 8:41 pm
On the other hand, they aren’t holding hands because…
June 28th, 2009 at 8:48 pm
Truthfully, I’ve only been following BH since
early last year. JM is more open about himself.
I think he’s got a bf. If it’s the same guy I saw
in his twit pic a few months ago then I am one
jealous chick. That MF’er is hawt!!
Yep, St.Mag. Publicist. Not Britney.
June 28th, 2009 at 9:07 pm
http://twitpic.com/4rrpi
I think he’s hawt.
Hope the link works.
June 28th, 2009 at 9:29 pm
I just thought about what I said.
Jealous? Jealous of a gay man’s man.
Oh,whatever. I don’t care how that sounds.
June 28th, 2009 at 11:26 pm
Doc is not what he/she used to be. I’ll leave it at that.
Steel. You’ve followed the SBJ account. Weren’t there supposed to be other lawsuits, urgent matters etc. pressing on Bryan and the lawyer? There’s ZERO in the case summary. New files may have been opened but it’s curious. It’s as dull as can be. Go lasuperiorcourt case # BP109096. It’s a nod.
Anyone. I for one am still talking about it because it’s not over and others drift into the kitchen because? It’s not over. What we do have is new information.
It’s one thing to google and report on tabloid shyht and it’s another to analyze information that supports some of our theories or discounts some or adds new information. It remains for me riveting. But I did let go of it for some weeks in March. I had another case to deal with.
I never thought geez they are still on it when I got to log on. I was happy. Wow look at them go!
June 28th, 2009 at 11:27 pm
Correction: they drift into the kitchen because… they are bored elsewhere in life? Who knows.
June 29th, 2009 at 1:54 am
Hi everyone. Sorry I have been so absent. I have been distracted with all the Michael Jackson stuff and it left me a bit sad. I read here everyday. I don’t have much to say right now. When I do you’ll hear from me.
June 29th, 2009 at 8:26 am
Amethyst Mine Says:
June 28th, 2009 at 11:26 pm
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I’m thinkin’ recent events changed the way a lot of people feel about this place.
June 29th, 2009 at 8:28 am
Amethyst Mine Says:
June 28th, 2009 at 11:26 pm
Steel. You’ve followed the SBJ account. Weren’t there supposed to be other lawsuits, urgent matters etc. pressing on Bryan and the lawyer?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Yep. That seemed to be the justification for taking over her estate to begin with.
At the time, nobody cared about Britney Touring Inc. Because she had just suffered a breakdown, and wasn’t touring.
Nobody cared about it until someone started asking, “BTI – Who’s getting paid?”
June 29th, 2009 at 10:53 am
“Fantasy Says:
June 28th, 2009 at 7:53 pm
Yes, I saw the super sized pic of the ring.
You’re right as to what it looks like.
No. It’s not the ring that Adnan had.
If I’m not mistaken Adnan’s ring has the Islamic
symbol of the crescent moon and a star.”
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THIS I think is a very typical “Troll-move-news”
I say as AM.
This is a news who would had been a NEWS, so I dont belive you Fantasy.
Troll! Troll! Troll!
June 29th, 2009 at 1:08 pm
And so the ring moves again.
I am glad Britney has a pal to do these photo ops with.
Do you remember when they all came back from Costa Rica and Trawick went into a convenience store? He and his companion were singing Superstar?
lyrics
http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/Superstar-lyrics-Lupe-Fiasco/2D77CB8E99FD4C1E4825735A000EF355
June 29th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
I was looking for the video as Trawick seemed to enjoy the attention in that video, “living the dream” as it were. I found this instead and thought it was too funny as an example of the myriad calls reps get.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qx-uTfIs9QA
June 29th, 2009 at 1:30 pm
Amapola Says:
June 29th, 2009 at 10:53 am
THIS I think is a very typical “Troll-move-news”
I say as AM.
This is a news who would had been a NEWS, so I dont belive you Fantasy.
Troll! Troll! Troll!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Ama, I don’t know why Ronnie doesn’t boot your ass off of this site.
You’re one of the rudest people I’ve ever met.
June 29th, 2009 at 1:32 pm
Here is a link (which I hope works) of photos
showing Britney and Adnan wearing the same ring
at different times. On the ET interview Adnan
explained the ring exchange. It was simple and
innocent. The press made more of it than there is.
Click on the close up photo of each ring to see a
larger version of the ring. If you look closely
you will see a star in the center of the ring.
And if you continue to look you will see a
crescent moon shape above the star. As well as
more diamonds. It’s beautifully designed.
Ask anyone, since I for some reason am not to be
believed, and they’ll tell you that is an Islamic
symbol. Just as the Star of David is for Jews.
And the cross for Christians.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1080182/Britney-Spears-sparks-romance-rumours-wears-ex-boyfriend-Adnans-ring.html
Final note. This is the LAST time I will speak
about this ring or any other ring.
This is also the LAST TIME that I will respond to
anything that Amapola has to say.
I DON’T come here to stir up things.
I DON’T come here to lie.
If I’m wrong about something I WILL admit it and
I appreciate being corrected. NO sarcasm here.
If the link I posted doesn’t work then search for
it if you want to. If not… I DON’T CARE!
By the (F’ing) way…
All caps used in my post are there intentionally.
June 29th, 2009 at 1:33 pm
Met on-line, I should say.
Here’s a photo of the ring:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1080182/Britney-Spears-sparks-romance-rumours-wears-ex-boyfriend-Adnans-ring.html
Why not try defending your position once in a while instead of launching insults? It would make you sound much more intelligent.
June 29th, 2009 at 2:16 pm
Fantasy. I never really get tired of looking at the ring or talking about it. fyi and I was glad to see it again. I’m a girl afterall.
I looked at the rings again and again and all I saw were swirls — so, I got curious about wedding rings and Islam and it turns out it’s forbidden to wear wedding rings because that imitates Christians? To imitate people is to become those people?
Except in Bangladesh. I read it’s a new custom there. It was interesting reading. I also came across the color green. I did not realize the symbolism of green in Iran. I didn’t know it was a color associated with Muhammed.
I hope you don’t stop talking about jewelry and I am sorry that my post yesterday generated a reaction in Ama. She’s touchy.
I’m a little touchy on things that distort Adnan.
June 29th, 2009 at 2:18 pm
Correction: I did know all the protesters are wearing green but I didn’t know there was a symbolic connection to Muhammed.
June 29th, 2009 at 2:34 pm
>>>She’s touchy.
LOL
June 29th, 2009 at 2:35 pm
ama, sometimes i wonder if you even take 2 seconds to think before you speak.
June 29th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
I was trying to be nice earlier this year when I told you your feathers are easily ruffled. I said it several times. I know when less composed and angrier I have also said you were rude.
It’s not just me.
June 29th, 2009 at 2:56 pm
Side note. I have never seen Britney this happy with “Trawick.”
http://www.ok-magazine.com/img/photos/large/7351.gif
June 29th, 2009 at 5:50 pm
Ama, you really need to chill out and allow everyone to voice their opinion even if you don’t agree with it. Just state why you don’t agree with it and leave it at thought. The name-calling is unnecessary in my opinion.
Carry on.
All the MJ stuff made me think about Britney. The situation she is in. What would have happened if it weren’t for the c-ship. What would have happened to MJ if he had been under a c-ship (I know sounds dumb considering how much I think Brit’s needs to be lifted). Just everything. I still think Britney being under a c-ship is ridiculous. All I want is for a ruling that will get Britney re-evaluated. I doubt her state of mind is the same as it was over a yr ago. That’s pretty much it. Besides all of that being on my mind, you have the money behind everything….MJ and Britney. MJ, Madonna, and Britney are the three artists who I think probably understood/understand more about no longer having privacy. Being scrutinized about everything and how it can play with your mind. Madonna has probably handled it the best.
June 29th, 2009 at 5:51 pm
leave it at that NOT thought LOL
June 29th, 2009 at 6:09 pm
Madonna got the hell out of L.A., away from as many cameras, and also the types of people LA attracts within the industry.
small, it’s makes me ill, without knowing the details, that the Wright case settled.
Steel. I think Berk represents both Jamie and Lynne in the c-ship and child custody (visitation) arrangements there in. As Berk does not represent Britney, it’s curious that Britney and Lynne would visit 8/19/09 at Berk’s office.
small — IMHO you are one cool chica. I wish I had thought to speak like you but oh well.
June 29th, 2009 at 6:55 pm
“Steel_Magnolia Says:
June 29th, 2009 at 1:30 pm
Amapola Says:
June 29th, 2009 at 10:53 am
THIS I think is a very typical “Troll-move-news”
I say as AM.
This is a news who would had been a NEWS, so I dont belive you Fantasy.
Troll! Troll! Troll!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Ama, I don’t know why Ronnie doesn’t boot your ass off of this site.
You’re one of the rudest people I’ve ever met.”
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What? What was so rude in my comment?
Remember
Some days ago you said:
“Steel_Magnolia Says:
June 27th, 2009 at 10:48 pm
Note to self: Don’t feed the trolls”
Was is something out just said “out in the air, or was it because you read something on this site?
I thought you had read something who was some teasement from someone who was a “troll”
What is so rude in my comment?
Anyway, if it was so rude that you want Ronnie to “boot your ass off of this site” I´m sure he will do it.
Not use with so fragile people. Feel like walking on eggshell here. I do not swear or use dirty language here. I do not have the same opinon as you sometimes, but rude..?
I will see soon if Ronnie share your opinon.
In that case, it have been some funny and also thougthful moments.
I do not regret anything.
Hope everyhing going as good as it can for Adnan.
June 29th, 2009 at 7:04 pm
“small hands Says:
June 29th, 2009 at 5:50 pm
Ama, you really need to chill out and allow everyone to voice their opinion even if you don’t agree with it. Just state why you don’t agree with it and leave it at thought. The name-calling is unnecessary in my opinion.”
Honeestlly, I did not know that was “name-calling”. To react on something I read, and having an other opinon then some other, I thougt I could have.
Why do we talk?
Shall we only “line up” some opinons in a comment, and then live it as that?
Not interact in any way?
No respons?
I have not all the words you have to “play” with, and to not understand that, after the nomerous time I have explain that, is real rude/inhospitable .
If you (I dont mean you alone) know, or understand what I mean, you should not be so quick to take offence.
June 29th, 2009 at 7:09 pm
Funny AM, I said I have the same opinon about the “Adnan ring” as you, I you dont even see it?
June 29th, 2009 at 7:14 pm
I remember “long ago” when we talk about the colour green here.
June 29th, 2009 at 7:16 pm
Ama. Yes. I can not see a damn thing beyond swirls of metal and maybe two small petals or leaves.
I am not trying to be difficult with anyone but I don’t see any symbols in the ring, Islamic or otherwise. Also to learn that wearing wedding rings is forbidden in Muslim culture? Albeit, those could be friendship or promise rings but still..
I don’t see anything recognizable in the rings, cresent, star, moon or otherwise.
June 29th, 2009 at 7:20 pm
“MH Says:
June 29th, 2009 at 2:35 pm
ama, sometimes i wonder if you even take 2 seconds to think before you speak.”
I sometimes have let my thoughts going in the same direction when I have read comments here too. But I have said to myself, I answer, ask, or giving my opinon.
June 29th, 2009 at 7:23 pm
AM
Yes, and Britney is not a muslim, we have to think of that to, dont we? And do we think Adnan would give her a ring looking like some people have “seen”.
June 29th, 2009 at 9:18 pm
Ama. I remember the color green but I did not participate. I had no perspective. I remember something about flags and soccer …
You’re right that Adnan did not purchase a knick-knack for Britney. They are very pretty rings. Unique to me but what do I know?
Why is this ring-Islam thing important at all?
Because Fantasy suggested the rings had Islam insignia or symbols and I didn’t think it was true. That’s what I get touchy about — rumors, gossip that could hurt Adnan, and Britney too.
Ama. It’s not for me to dictate your behavior here but you did cause offense as to Fantasy. I looked on here this morning and saw yelling. All capital letters means that and you know that.
You have name-called me a number of times. I side with Small’s post and wished that I had written something so calm and valid. It’s not nice to name call. Troll, crazy, lunatic, doesn’t matter.
I’m not above losing my temper now and then, but I refrain from it. It upsets the board. This is something I think of before responding here. I’ve mellowed. I wish you luck in that.
June 29th, 2009 at 10:33 pm
I wish I could say I’ve mellowed. But I haven’t. After spending time on other discussion boards, I’ve actually gotten less tolerant with this one. I don’t take things as personally as I used to, but at the same time I don’t have as much patience here as I used to either.
If it helps any, here are the rules we try to abide by on another discussion board that I frequent. The board is a very pleasant place to be, because every seems to follow the rules and be respectful of everyone else. Here goes:
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3) No blatantly confidential evidence about the case……or other cases….such as……”my brother is a cop and nobody knows this but……….” Fair speculation and opinion within reason is welcome.
4) Use judgment because nobody wants to blow the case either……if you have new evidence you think the police should know, call them…don’t disclose it here.
5) Please supply valid links to any news article whenever possible…..
6) Attack and debate ideas and opinions………don’t attack the person’s character who makes them…..
7) If someone has clear spelling problems, don’t make fun of them…..they could have a disability…..dyslexia, poor eyesight, a brain injury..etc……don’t be mean to anybody………most people are trying their best..maybe they only got to Grade 10 because their parents died and they had to work to support their siblings……..we just never know…..
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9) Admins do in fact have the ability to delete any post…….make it easy on us and don’t give us reasons……the best moderating is the type you do yourselves…….always count 10 steamboats before you submit…..
10) Please do not harass people in Private Message. If they ask you to leave them alone. Debate on the forums please, unless they don’t mind you messaging them of course.
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THANKS EVERYONE, your co-operation is appreciated by your Administrators and is for everyone’s mutual benefit.
June 29th, 2009 at 10:35 pm
That being said, I’m sure I’ve probably crossed the line here a number of times. (Heck, a couple of times I purposely tried crossing it and it STILL backfired! LOL)
But I hope when I’m crossing lines I get called on it! It’s only fair.
June 29th, 2009 at 10:46 pm
Amapola Says:
June 29th, 2009 at 6:55 pm
Not use with so fragile people. Feel like walking on eggshell here. I do not swear or use dirty language here. I do not have the same opinon as you sometimes, but rude..?
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The issue was with name calling/attacking people personally when not agreeing with opinions.
Today you called Fantasy a “troll” because you didn’t agree with her opinion. Yesterday you said talking to us was like “talking to children” (which, I might add, was because you didn’t understand the meaning behind our conversation, not because we were being childish).
I remember when I first came here and you repeatedly accused me of being Rehema (when I had no clue who Rehema even was!) I’m now imagining what it must be like for Fantasy, being somewhat “new” and facing the same kind of stuff.
It’s the personal attacks that get people upset. If someone doesn’t like my post, I’d hope they’d post a link and prove me wrong – not call me a name or try to make me feel small by calling me a “child.”
And when I said, “Note to self: Don’t feed the trolls,” I was actually talking about YOU. I thought you were showing a bit of troll-like behaviour yourself, and being the bitch that I am, I was making a snide remark.
That being said…Hey, it’s the Internet. I don’t want to see you booted off the site! I just don’t want anyone to feel “attacked” or like THEY have to walk on eggshells for fear of being attacked.
So…I’m cool. There are no tables left to throw anymore anyways.
June 29th, 2009 at 10:48 pm
Trying to make me feel small…LOL
Sorry, small! I wasn’t trying to feel you. Ha ha.
June 29th, 2009 at 10:51 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
June 29th, 2009 at 6:09 pm
Madonna got the hell out of L.A., away from as many cameras, and also the types of people LA attracts within the industry.
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Yep…When was her last big boo-boo? Dennis Rodman? Good thing she got out of that scene. And fast! Yikes!
June 29th, 2009 at 10:54 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
June 29th, 2009 at 7:16 pm
I don’t see anything recognizable in the rings, cresent, star, moon or otherwise.
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I couldn’t find anything either, but it was hard to tell from the angle.
I wouldn’t be too upset to know if there were Islamic symbols in the design…Ever see a pic of Brit when she briefly dated Isaac Cohen? She seems pretty open about those kinds of things…
June 30th, 2009 at 12:29 am
Steel. No idea as to Isaac Cohen other than if he was ever real? He didn’t last long.
I can live with Islamic symbols if they were real but it appears they are not.
Hence, if there had been something it would have made international news.
Fantasy. You are a trouble maker. [ok, give me the scoop, do you like or dislike the final four? Did Wes have a girlfriend or not?]
June 30th, 2009 at 1:32 am
Steel is trying to feel me? LOL
Smartest thing Madonna did was move out of LA.
I hope Adnan is doing well.
To all, we all have our moments when we vent. I know I have gone on and on about a few things when I knew I should have zipped it.
When I said was thinking of Britney and MJ earlier, I don’t want anyone to think that it consumes my life. It doesn’t.
June 30th, 2009 at 10:28 am
All right. Here I go. Last time. I promise you.
Go back to either my link or St.Mag’s, they’re
the same. Find the close up of Britney’s hand
and click to enlarge the pic. If you don’t see
the crescent you surely should be able to see a
star. On her pic it’s seen more clearly than on
Adnan’s pic. If you still don’t at least see a
star that is okay. I’m dropping it. Next.
The Bachelorette. Jillian is so adorable.
But her judgment is questionable. Like why did
foot fetish Tanner last as long as he did?
I don’t understand men who have a thing for
women’s feet. Boobs, booty, and legs used to be
the norm. Nowadays men flip out over feet.
Why is that? If MT or any other guy is out there
and want to pause whatever they’re doing to give
me some insight into the foot craze I would
thank them from the bottom of my heart. For real.
I’m happy about Ed’s return but that moment was
just as fake as Wes telling Jillian that he’s
not the one with a girlfriend. I still like Wes
but he totally lied. They’re my two favs but I
don’t think Jillian will choose either at the end.
That’s for you, Amethyst.
Small, I hope that Adnan is doing well too.
We all hope for that. We/I may get distracted with
talk of reality tv and rings (talking about myself
only actually) but seriously he is in my thoughts.
I didn’t think that I’d care as much for or about
someone like I have for Adnan. Like really, for
me it’s way more than crushing on him. Things have
changed and his situation is serious. I felt
better after the phone call but I still have my
‘what if’ moments. In the most recent pics of him
from here he looked well and strong. That’s good.
I need to talk about Britney’s hair. Bare w/ me.
I prefer her as a brunette. That’s her natural
hair color. I remember when she first went blonde.
Well actually if you look back at her vids from
the 1st two cd’s her hair gradually lightened
from one vid to the next. Definitely by the last
vid from the Oops! cd she’d gone balls to the wall
Playboy Playmate blonde. I like her blonde too.
No offense for I don’t know how this will sound
but she really should brush her hair. I mean, if
she’s just hanging out at her house for the day
then cool. Don’t bother. But for anybody who is
human, famous or not, when you go out, even if
it’s just to Starbucks you must brush the hair.
I don’t mean to rag on her or nothing(too late)
but we all have noticed it. I’d given up on it for
a while and just stopped commenting on it. I’m
back at it again. And seeing that she’s keeping
company with Trawick you’d think that no matter
how far they go back as friends, now that they
are dating (although it’s more like they go on
outings than dates)one would think that she’d
try to spruce herself up when with him. No?
Speaking of Trawick, I go to fansites based out
of Mexico and Portugal. I can read and understand
the spanish more than the portuguese but I just
noticed that in the last few days those two sites
have gone back to using the word agent or rumored
boyfriend when they write about him. Interesting.
I must think I’m at BH or somewhere. I’m just
going on and on and on. All righty. Time for me
to go and check out the latest on MJ. A couple of
channels have re-aired the Martin Bashir intv.
from ‘03. Oh, you guys I swear that I cried when
Michael talked about the immense fear that he felt
for his dad. Poor little boy. He’d be rehearsing
w/ his bro’s and his dad would be standing there
with a belt in his hand ready to “tear him up”
if he messed up. With all the changes that he did
to his face, imo, his eyes remained the same.
So much pain in his eyes. Fresh pain. Sadness.
I couldn’t help but think of For The Record.
Britney had those sad eyes and fresh pain too.
She does look better now. I’m omitting the hair.
I’ve been at this for more than an hour.
I should’ve posted this by now. TTYL.
June 30th, 2009 at 10:42 am
Steel_
“Today you called Fantasy a “troll” because you didn’t agree with her opinion. Yesterday you said talking to us was like “talking to children” (which, I might add, was because you didn’t understand the meaning behind our conversation, not because we were being childish).
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I do not recognize that. About “talking like children”.
I do know that not any of you are.
Maybe I wondered why someone not understand what I was saying, because I was talking as claer and easy to understand, as the language of a child?
I do think it was so I meant it to be, because I have think that about all missunderstanding here.
….
About the Troll thing: It ws meant to be a warning too, as it was from you.
Maybe I do think someone else then me is the one “making problem” sometimes.
About you and me, I think it all have getting “worse” seens the day I wrote a comment about “the Lynne Spears trail” here.
You did not like that, and you comment back later that you really did not like her. You did not have words hove much you dont like her.
I did not know that one have to write small capitals when one yell out a warning. (as it was meant to be)
And I did not think being a Troll was like being a devil or something.
(I thougt it was people who have a lot of “identities” going around and making people angry on each other.)
”””””””””””””””””””””
I have no hidden agenda hear.
I have try to be honest the whole way.
About that, I cant understand why it come back again and again, the talk about Islam?
After all the “telling-off” the religious group (who we talked about in the “Lynne Spears trail” here), was given from almost all off us, I thought we all felt kind of a bad taste in mouth and silently agreed to not talk more religion or politics?
”””””””””””””””’
(I and one more, was from the beginning almost “threaten” with ” having a hostile
attitude to US when we “talk” and it was not any politic matter, I think it was about rituals or something like that).
Anyway, it was terrible.
A sort of McCarthyist touch – feeling.
””””””””””””””’
Why this religious matters come up? Is it a important matter? Is it done with only good intentions?
We all knowing how thee “sound” is out on the web. Do we want it here too?
”””””””
About being nice I dont think I can see any halo around any of us.
Even so, I do think I don’t place here.
Something is not “in rhythm”
To much missunderstanding, to much people taking offence, to much unnesserly quarrel .
”””””””””””””””””””””””’
Again. I do hope all with be good for Adnan.
About Britney (the tread is about,and around her), I can only hope that she also get a life with freedom, love and peace in the future.
June 30th, 2009 at 11:13 am
Amapola Says:
June 30th, 2009 at 10:42 am
I do think it was so I meant it to be, because I have think that about all missunderstanding here.
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This could very well be. It could be a language thing, or even more, it could be a cultural thing. I’m thinking cultural more than anything.
June 30th, 2009 at 11:18 am
Amethyst Mine Says:
June 30th, 2009 at 12:29 am
Steel. No idea as to Isaac Cohen other than if he was ever real? He didn’t last long.
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http://www.people.com/people/gallery/0,,20009437,00.html
I always saw Brit to be pretty easy-going and open about these kinds of things. When she’s with a guy, she pours her whole heart into it.
I guess it’s kinda like K-Fed…and trucker hats? LOL
June 30th, 2009 at 11:23 am
Fantasy Says:
June 30th, 2009 at 10:28 am
I need to talk about Britney’s hair. Bare w/ me.
I prefer her as a brunette.
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I prefer her as a brunette, too. She always seems to dye her hair that colour when she’s being “devilish,” and that always seems to be when she’s being “herself.”
I like swamp-thing Britney! I love the Britney who swears, and gives the finger to the paps, and wears wigs, and wears the same cowboy boots day in and day out. Why? Because she’s FUNNY! She’s unpredictable. She’s being the “real” her.
So I’m glad I’ll get to see brunette Britney in concert. It means Pa’s finally giving her a bit of freedom to be herself. IMO.
June 30th, 2009 at 11:26 am
Amapola Says:
June 30th, 2009 at 10:42 am
I do not recognize that. About “talking like children”.
I do know that not any of you are.
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I thought the other day you told Fantasy and I that talking to us was like “talking to children.” I took that as an insult, when I guess I shouldn’t have. I must have misunderstood what you were saying to us. My apologies on that one.
June 30th, 2009 at 11:34 am
Fantasy Says:
June 30th, 2009 at 10:28 am
And seeing that she’s keeping
company with Trawick you’d think that no matter
how far they go back as friends, now that they
are dating (although it’s more like they go on
outings than dates)one would think that she’d
try to spruce herself up when with him. No?
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Heh, my younger sis had extensions put in her hair a while back, and she found out the hard way that those things are darn hard to keep up. But yeah, she never went out of the house looking like that.
Brit’s had troubles with extensions going WAY back. I remember seeing a photo of her from..hmmm…around 2003? She was in NY, and someone (and assistant? herself?) had haphazardly glued a big swatch of fake hair up underneath the crown of her real hair…And had forgotten to take the paper off?! So Brit had this huge chunk of paper or plastic or something of the sort sticking out of her hair, and was walking around in broad daylight like that. I think it was the first time I thought there might be something “off” about her situation.
But then again, sometimes I think she does it specifically so that the paps take photos of it…Just to tick Ma and Pa and Larry off? And to show that she can walk around however she darn well pleases. LOL
June 30th, 2009 at 11:36 am
Fantasy. I have not invested much in the Bachelorette. Someone has a very strong reaction when he sees it on. I just said, “Of course I am watching junk. You were not here.”
Thanks for info on Wes and also some background. It’s kind of a weird show. I think there are like one or two guys who are vying for her love but all of them seem to be competing, to win, as though that were the goal. I guess it is the goal.
ok. The hair. I’ve never had hair extensions. I can’t imagine one just brushes them. I love her new color. p.s. I was going to be wise yesterday and say let’s talk about earrings. I was half-way serious.
I will look at the photos again. Thanks for the leap of faith that I am not trying to be difficult. Things have been alot better with you than without you. There are days when I just chuckle. Did you watch the cheeky youtube I put up of the teenage boys trying to get Trawick on the phone to score a prom date with Britney?
I am glad you brought up your call again. It does make me feel better but everyday I try to think of what I have to help. I get a little discouraged to that end, when I think of the DA concentrating on the alleged crime over the lack of necessity for a TRO in the first place, i.e., wouldn’t Britney testify that he was her friend and support to her? And that she had nothing to do with the TRO and didn’t want one? Does that change anything?
Does the amount of $1,000 total damage from the incident change anything? That figure comes from the proceedings on attorneys’ fees. And were those medical fees???? Or damage to Chameleon’s company car? And if there were a car involved? Korn said something about other cars in the darkened images. He was looking for license plates. Me thinks there is more to the story (of course!) than has been told.
June 30th, 2009 at 11:37 am
Just a funny story I found while visiting one of my favourite sites:
http://www.awfulplasticsurgery.com/2009/06/10/britneys-people-sent-in-photos/
“Any press is good publicity over at the Britney Spears camp…Thanks BritneySpears.com”
LOL
June 30th, 2009 at 11:49 am
About talking like children. Sorry, Ama, but I read it the same way that Steel did. I wasn’t even directly involved but felt the heat of it and was insulted.
Personified, you seem to lash out at people when you feel like it. It’s like we’ve been here this long and you still don’t know any of us well enough to give the benefit of the doubt as to whose side we are on.
If there are any eggshells, they are around you. That’s how I feel in any discussion with you, like you could be set off at any moment, and yank my hair (as long as we are having hair discussions).
As long as we are clearing the air…
June 30th, 2009 at 11:55 am
Anyone. I’ve been looking at comparisons/contrasts between Adnan and Sam.
I can not find what for me was an important link. It’s the one where JFX or FPX or someone has one of their paps in Adnan’s vehicle and Britney pulls up parallel. Adnan was giving Britney an ultimatum as to Sam.
I found this link but wanted the pap one as it is more credible and interesting, to me anyway.
http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b62600_adnan_its_sam_me.html
June 30th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
Nevermind. I found it. Duh. The key word was ultimatum. Thanks.
June 30th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
Why the need to slipe up this answer in part?
Doing so, my answer get no meaning.
“Amapola Says:
June 30th, 2009 at 10:42 am
Steel_
“Today you called Fantasy a “troll” because you didn’t agree with her opinion. Yesterday you said talking to us was like “talking to children” (which, I might add, was because you didn’t understand the meaning behind our conversation, not because we were being childish).
****************
My answer was:
I do not recognize that. About “talking like children”.
I do know that not any of you are.
Maybe I wondered why someone not understand what I was saying, because I was talking as claer and easy to understand, as the language of a child?
I do think it was so I meant it to be, because I have think that about all missunderstanding here.”
That is my answer. How can anybody NOT understand that? Why the need to “chop it up”?
If I was a person with bad intension, I could “chop” your answer in small parts, doing them meaningless.
Why do people have to be so insidious?
Is it a need to make others looking bad? Hooping nobody take the time to look on the whole meaning, the original meaning?
Anyway, this was typical, and it did not make me feel more trust from the people I talk with here.
June 30th, 2009 at 1:58 pm
Amapola Says:
June 30th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
That is my answer. How can anybody NOT understand that? Why the need to “chop it up”?
If I was a person with bad intension, I could “chop” your answer in small parts, doing them meaningless.
Why do people have to be so insidious?
Is it a need to make others looking bad? Hooping nobody take the time to look on the whole meaning, the original meaning?
Anyway, this was typical, and it did not make me feel more trust from the people I talk with here.
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Wow. You’re doing it AGAIN.
You’ve just called me “insidious” and insulted me because you didn’t understand my post.
And I did NOT chop you answer up. The “talking to children” comment that I was originally insulted by was this, from a few days ago:
# Amapola Says:
June 26th, 2009 at 9:24 pm
Steel_
“Gas station bathrooms, Starbucks and outfit changes. ZOMG 2007???”
All from JM site…
Very original.
Do we have to read about Britney and Jason “in love/marrige/” and so on here too?
Suddenly its feels like its childs I have spoken with the whole time..
You are joking around, are you not?
Becasue this JM site cant turn your head around?
MG, you are almost lawyers or something..
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I then responded back, saying that if you didn’t understand someone’s post, then you should ASK what they meant instead of insulting them first (e.g. by calling them “insidious”)
June 30th, 2009 at 2:03 pm
Ama, In case you didn’t notice, I just apologized to you this morning for taking that original, “Suddenly its feels like its childs I have spoken with the whole time..” the wrong way.
Instead of accepting my apology, you’ve accused me of chopping up your words, have said this is “typical,” and have called me insidious.
Did I understand that correctly? Tell me if I haven’t.
Because otherwise, I’m just going to ignore you from now on. You’ve got some kind of nasty paranoia going on, and it’s truly a no-win situation here.
June 30th, 2009 at 3:24 pm
[Fantasy. That's great about Spanish and Portugese. Portugese media might be the more insightful but only with a thought to Brazilian paparazzi and a grapevine.
I wish you had been with me today. I stopped at Food City. I am on a quest for Spanish chorizo. I am looking for the cured or hard chorizo. How does one do a hand gesture to indicate hard? LOL. I didn't do that but the guy stopped talking to me and I just pointed.]
Ama, this is the way that I read your post involving children: suddenly it feels as though I have been talking to children all along.
Do you understand? Insulting. And children being plural in “childs”? It seemed to apply to all of us.
It’s just my understanding of English, but you seem to be back-peddling. I can’t imagine what your intent could have been, with or without strong English skills, other than “Suddenly it feels as though I have been talking to children all along.”
Steel is not out in left-field or speaking from out of the blue or without merit or justification.
I thought it was HUGE of her to give you the benefit of the doubt and to apologize this morning. I actually thought it was wrong because like I said, I read your post the same as she did so I thought okay, she must be apologizing to keep peace or so we can move on.
It would be so much peaceful if you just followed Small’s wisdom and gave your opinion rather than labeling or name calling.
June 30th, 2009 at 3:53 pm
[Fantasy. I will go back and look at the picture but I remembered that when asked what he was going to give Britney for Valentine's Day? He said a rockstar.]
June 30th, 2009 at 3:57 pm
[Fantasy. Is it just a teensy star in the center? If so, how loving. A star protected by arms, love. I don't read Islam into it but what difference?]
June 30th, 2009 at 5:55 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
June 30th, 2009 at 3:24 pm
… so I thought okay, she must be apologizing to keep peace or so we can move on.
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And we can still move on…can’t we?
‘Cause I’m sure it’s gotta be a language barrier…?? Maybe…??
*shrugs*
June 30th, 2009 at 5:58 pm
AM thinks I’m huge. LOL
June 30th, 2009 at 6:15 pm
Amethyst @ June 30, 2009 at 3:57 pm – Yes.
Adnan to ET: “I had an injury to my knuckle. And
my finger’s had swelled slightly. It was getting
a little tight on my finger. I took it off. She
put it on hers. It was as simple as that really.”
Forgive me if I unintentionally implied something
about Islam. Her wearing the ring had nothing
to do with Islam or converting, etc.
Star and Crescent
A star (or stars) and crescent featuring in some
combination form the basis of symbols widely
found across the ancient world, with examples
attested from the Eastern Mediterrean and Near
East to Central Asia and India. Today it is most
widely recognized as a symbol of Islam, and is
often used alongside the Christian cross and the
Star of David to designate Muslim nations,
territory, or populations.
June 30th, 2009 at 6:44 pm
Fantasy, I think some people automatically associate the Muslim faith with terrorism. That’s what I (perhaps mistakenly) thought was going on earlier. And maybe why I got a little testy. LOL
I never once thought you were implying that Brit was converting…Just that Adnan was wearing the ring, and Brit happened to put it on.
I think I saw that ET interview earlier, so I had that in the back of my head during the whole conversation.
June 30th, 2009 at 7:06 pm
St.Mag., that’s good to hear.
I just wanted to be understood more clearly.
June 30th, 2009 at 10:50 pm
“”Steel_Magnolia Says:
June 30th, 2009 at 5:55 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
June 30th, 2009 at 3:24 pm
… so I thought okay, she must be apologizing to keep peace or so we can move on.
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And we can still move on…can’t we?
‘Cause I’m sure it’s gotta be a language barrier…?? Maybe…??
*shrugs*”
***********************************
Sure you can. I will not be here.
We just not fit together, we can’t debate upcoming matters.
My style to talk, and debate, will always upset you.
I giving my opinion, always, but you not see that. Your occupiad feeling violated.
As I assume, but not hope, you will be of this comment too.
June 30th, 2009 at 10:51 pm
Fantasy. Why read anything more into a star other than Britney is a star? What did you get Britney for Valentine’s Day, Adnan? A rock-star. Why not, Fantasy?
There is nothing wrong with Islam save banishing you wife to the couch and striking her (it’s in the Koran) and some other things women have fought against over the years. If he is Islamic, okay, I doubt he is orthodox though. Why not research women, Islam, photographs.
If you guys didn’t watch CNN tonight media has hit a new low. In “breaking” the Michael Jackson story for the world, CNN is quoting TMZ, Inside Edition, and US Weekly as sources. They had the editor of US Weekly as a guest. Londell, Michael’s attorney, asked Anderson Cooper to be a responsible journalist.
Steel. Of course we can move on (shrug)/
Do I think you are huge? That’s my husband’s expression for when I step up beyond the ordinary to do something. He says the same thing about soccer events etc. “Wow. That was huge,” when it comes to an extraordinary play in any sport. Soccer and baseball namely.
It feels good when he says I have done something HUGE.
June 30th, 2009 at 11:02 pm
Go Outside.
Now that…would be….HUGE!!!!
June 30th, 2009 at 11:13 pm
Hi, Amethyst.
I wasn’t reading into the star at all.
I was only mentioning that what I see in the ring
is the same as the symbol for Islam. That’s all.
Stacy Phillips was on one of the cable news
programs tonight. She worked for Britney, is
that correct?
If anyone is interested, the Radar video leaked.
I loves it! I didn’t like the Amy vid at all.
Imo, Radar rocks. It speaks to me. LOL
I have my own personal interpretation of it which
is why I loves it! Now I understand how other
fans felt about Amy. I didn’t get why some people
raved about it. Some EX’ers aren’t liking the new
vid. Some are. I’ll say it again. I loves it!
June 30th, 2009 at 11:20 pm
Doc really makes me laugh.
I’ll say it directly. Doc, I like your humor.
I can’t really explain why. I just do.
I’ll talk to you all later.
June 30th, 2009 at 11:28 pm
Go outside? It’s 110 sir. ha.
Fantasy. OK. I wasn’t sure why you brought it up to begin with and was prepared to launch my, “I’m sure someone is bound to read into my statements about Islam. Let me assure you…” and other waste. off to see Radar!
June 30th, 2009 at 11:29 pm
Frick. It’s already gone.
June 30th, 2009 at 11:38 pm
AM. What’s gone? Radar? Check around. It’s there.
June 30th, 2009 at 11:39 pm
Really? I checked Breatheheavy. Says it’s gone due to copyright Zomba.
June 30th, 2009 at 11:44 pm
Thanks, anyway, Fantasy. I read enough of the comments. No dancing. Did it look low budget?
June 30th, 2009 at 11:46 pm
Somebody SWEEET put up a copy! Yea. Happy day.
June 30th, 2009 at 11:52 pm
Great. You got it.
I was going to say try BH/Exhale page 7.
Hope you like it.
June 30th, 2009 at 11:58 pm
I do like it. It’s subtle. Of course my mind is suspicious with who came up with it and I so want Mannequin which already had choreography.
Wow. What are the exhalers thinking with regard to horses? Horses are classy but also symbolize “things” ownership.
Oh hell. I don’t know. Little stars and all that.
Thanks, Fantasy.
July 1st, 2009 at 12:09 am
You’re welcome.
The last time I saw a horse on Exhale
it grossed me out. And it made me laugh too.
I see this as an improvement.
July 1st, 2009 at 12:28 am
Hello Everyone-
I have been out of the loop the last few days. So much has been going with Michael’s death and everything. It seems like the world kind of stopped. I know some stuff has been happening with Brit; she dyed her hair brown-has some more freedom over her life apparently.
Anything new about Adnan-his case is due to hit court but given Michael’s situation, one has to wonder about the kind of media attention he will get.
July 1st, 2009 at 1:21 am
Hi Queen B, there is so much MJ stuff. Unbelievable and sad.
AM, I did watch the CNN coverage. I hate when they make tabloids credible news sources.
Adnan goes back to court next week right? Or do I have my dates wrong?
Now I am off to check out the Radar video!!
July 1st, 2009 at 1:33 am
I LIKE it
July 1st, 2009 at 1:54 am
QB, I was going to post tonight, where’s QB?
I am glad you are here. I am glad/sorry you saw CNN. Must be the economy? I’ve touched on it here, mostly in being a juvenile and then journalism and then exploring: research takes money and that doesn’t mean paying anyone off. But to quote TMZ, US Weekly and Inside Edition as breaking news?
Fantasy, I don’t know if you put up the vid but if you did thank you. It isn’t what I expected. It translated different to me and the story line is old whereas Radar was “new” for the times.
Small. You will always have that capital S with me.
The next hearing is July 9th. I have sketched out an article… but I don’t think it will do any good. I am a little emboldened though. Fantasy may get it to Portugese and Spanish stations. Ama, if she doesn’t leave (Ama, there is no where else to go but you know that) maybe three other languages.
All the article says is that the next step is closer to a trial, the media has omitted information or chosen not to cover it (working on wording here) and the background of the TROs and how unlikely it was that Adnan and Sam might have conspired together, the lack of evidence (I really only have the one full day of testimony plus AP/LA Times coverage and if you aren’t a believer on that yet… lack of full credibility I mean)…
I don’t know. Can’t somebody else do something? I want somebody else to do it. I am not like at a real high or confidence level.
QB. How did your phone calls go? I felt so brave two weeks ago. July 4 or July 7 is my deadline if I am going to do anything at all.
If it shows up it’s going to be blank without any decor or pics. I can get a pic of Adnan etc. to go with an article but I would rather spend the money documents and testimony.
So far, I have just been sketching an article. Lucky me.
I kind of need to remember that what is old news to us is news to others. Also, no one has compiled the information in a medium that could be sent to others that was fair to the man or the case or the couple.
Back to Nurse Jackie. Surely this is real life
over this.
Fantasy. Let’s talk earrings.
serious.
July 1st, 2009 at 9:39 am
*gives Doc the middle finger*
I drove into the big city last night to see Transformers, and it was sold out, along with The Hangover AND The Proposal.
It tried to get a life. I TRIED!!
LOL
July 1st, 2009 at 9:48 am
Amethyst Mine Says:
June 30th, 2009 at 10:51 pm
There is nothing wrong with Islam save banishing you wife to the couch and striking her (it’s in the Koran) and some other things women have fought against over the years. If he is Islamic, okay, I doubt he is orthodox though. Why not research women, Islam, photographs.
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Yeah…
I have a number of friends who are Pottawatomie and Ojibway and Mohawk…I was baptized, but haven’t been too impressed with what I have learned about what my own church has done to them. The church in Canada has pretty much smashed their culture into smithereens. It makes me hang my head in shame…So I guess we can all have a lot to learn from our own histories.
If that makes sense…??
July 1st, 2009 at 9:55 am
Sorry, Doc…
I guess I still had my panties in a knot over the time you packed up your suitcase. (I still can’t figure out what that was all about…)
But since we’re all moving on…
No more misunderstandings. It’s a new day! An exciting time!! The Radar video is out…Britney’s hair is brunette…
What more could we ask for in the world of entertainment and gossip?!
July 1st, 2009 at 10:11 am
Just watched the Radar video…
Hmmm…Well, I like it WAY better than the Amy video. (’Cause I really, really didn’t like that video!)
The Radar video is way different than I expected…
I had this idea in my head…And I don’t know if anyone else does this, but whenever I hear a song for the first time, and I really fall in love with it, I start imagining how I’d want the video to look. And then every time I hear the song, the imaginary video in my head gets clearer and clearer, until it almost becomes real.
I’d imagined the Radar video to be an extension of Toxic. As if the airline stewardess in Toxic had turned into the commander of a submarine…And…
And then Britney shouts, “Give me a ping, Vasilli! Just one ping!”
Or something like that…??
Ah, nevermind.
July 1st, 2009 at 10:21 am
Every time I see horses, I think of this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPk4X1gCJdg
Which to me has to be one of the hawtest concert videos going. Don’t ask me why.
July 1st, 2009 at 10:59 am
AM-
Thank you for your concern. I actually figured out a way to have attorneys call me by putting out an email to the LA County Bar basically saying that I was looking for work and I got around 5-12 responses and one place may even pay me if you can believe it.
Anyway, back to Brit and MJ. There are some people in the media that have been making comparisons between Brit and MJ such as if Jamie had not stepped in Brit could have died. There are reports that they staged an intervention and wanted to put him in rehab but of course they could not force him; some have suggested that the family should have tried to “pull a Jamie Spears” and gain legal control ove Michael.
From now on, whenever there is a celebrity in trouble, people will think to put them under a conservatorship. In one sense the conservatorship has been good for Brit but on the other hand it has most likely irreparably damaged her relationship with her parents.
The MJ case has really shined a light on celebrity doctors who prescribe powerful perscription drugs. It makes me wonder if Brit was being improperly medicated by her doctor around Dec 07/Jan 08.
July 1st, 2009 at 11:13 am
Queen B Says:
July 1st, 2009 at 10:59 am
The MJ case has really shined a light on celebrity doctors who prescribe powerful perscription drugs. It makes me wonder if Brit was being improperly medicated by her doctor around Dec 07/Jan 08.
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I know from personal experience that meds like that can include a lot of trial and error. I have a younger sis who is on anxiety medication, and it took her SIX different tries before she hit on the right meds that agreed with her. The first five had weird side effects…A couple of times my parents had to pick her up on the shoulder of a busy 8-lane highway because she’d become so drowsy that she had to spontaneously pull her car over before she fell asleep at the wheel.
I know a lot of people don’t like my thoughts on this, but I don’t think Lutfi was all to blame for the “crushed medication” stuff. Yes, this was a stupid/dangerous way to administer meds, but the fact that he readily admitted to Lynne that he was doing it tells me he thought he was doing a good thing by making sure Brit got her medication, not a bad thing by “secretly” drugging her.
I’ve often wondered if she’d simply received a wrong diagnosis from her doc, or hadn’t found the right combo of meds yet. (And if you refer to Eardley’s Jan. ‘08 letter, it actually mentions what Brit’s parents thought may be wrong with her…So it’s really hard to tell what the true story is.)
Not that it’s any of our business anyways…but…
July 1st, 2009 at 11:37 am
QB. I am thrilled by your news. Yea!
Fantasy, while you have me being more polite, Steel is egging on my bolder side.
That said, I too flip off Doc. Meanie Doc.
QB. I’d say the drugs were going on as early as July 2007 given the OK! shoot and the people who were there. Leslie Sloane didn’t arrange the shoot… I believe Sam had a hand in it. If Nadel was involved back then one would think she would have phoned in to ask what the hell happened. Or… Sam could have gotten a number of prescribers.
Did anyone believe the nurse last night on CNN? I remember the tale that Britney said she was very hot the night of the first 5150. Purportedly Jackson said he half his body was very hot and half was very cold.
I believe Sam had his plan for Jan 28/29. Remember he told Adnan he was going to kill her? Right above that he says No, she’s with doctor now and then he told TMZ the next that there had been no intervention and that her family had barged in.
What a creep.
Still waiting on another court transcript but all that it may show is that the LA Times and the AP mislead the public.
July 1st, 2009 at 12:18 pm
SM, I loved your 11:13am post. I think there was a part of Sam that truly cared for Britney in his own sick way. He was obviously an enabler and according to reports of what Adnan and others have said obviously not a good guy. But I don’t think he was all bad. There is much more to the story than just Sam Lutfi. Having said that…I wouldn’t want him on my team.
I don’t like music videos. I think they have killed music. To me music is best interpreted in an individual way. Not a picture put in your head from a video.
Bag on TMZ being a news source all ya want …I love TMZ. I don’t like all the making fun of people stuff and the snarky comments (although, sometimes it can be in good fun). But I love the legal stuff and exclusives they get. Just cause they make fun of people and cover entertainment gossip doesn’t mean they can’t be considered a valid news source. They have proven over and over that they can be.
July 1st, 2009 at 12:19 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
July 1st, 2009 at 11:37 am
I believe Sam had his plan for Jan 28/29.
Agreed.
Remember he told Adnan he was going to kill her?
I don’t recall ever hearing this before.
Right above that he says No, she’s with doctor now and then he told TMZ the next that there had been no intervention and that her family had barged in.
I think they barged in, too – thankfully. But I also think that they had been planning the conservatorship for weeks, if not months or years.
Just look at MJ…Sounds like his family had been trying to force him in rehab for years, and had been considering legal measures because the situation had gotten so desperate. In the case of MJ, it may have saved his life.
To me, the difference between Brit and MJ is that MJ was a 50 year old man with a severe drug addiction. He wasn’t surrounding himself so much with “bad friends,” as he was surrounding himself with “bad hired help” who were feeding into his addictions.
Brit, on the other hand, was a young woman coming out of a divorce, with her full life ahead of her. I understand that she was surrounded by enablers as well, but the level of control that her family/management appear to exert over her seems a little much. (No outside friends? Can you IMAGINE your parents telling you, at the age of 27, who your friends can be? That alone would drive me INSANE.) It’s as if she’s living in a bubble…But that’s a whole other story.
What a creep.
Agreed.
July 1st, 2009 at 12:45 pm
Steel. Correction. Sam texted Adnan, that Adnan was a manic trigger and that he was going to kill her. The No, she’s with doctor now, gets left out of the media. This was right after the fight and Adnan was trying to get into the Summit.
I think you are right about weeks in planning. I think after the first 5150 they knew they had to do something drastic. How did Eardley know of the plan? Was Sam planning his own version of a c-ship?
Hey, monsoon weather here. Great day to go outside.
July 1st, 2009 at 12:49 pm
Hi everybody.
QB- What’s up? I’m glad to hear from you. I didn’t
forget about you. I thought that you were just
reading along but it’s good to know what you’ve
up to. About MJ and Britney. I too have heard
some say what if MJ would’ve been put under a
c-ship, could it have helped him and so on. I
don’t know what the outcome would’ve been if that
would’ve happened to MJ. Fate is fate, you know.
But I don’t want to see c-ship’s become a sort of
trend anywhere used to get someone in line.
AM- I studied spanish for a couple of years. In
school it was the only class that I received A’s.
Even on the exam. I keep up with entertainment
news on the spaninsh language channels and mags.
They too are providing coverage of MJ. For some
reason it makes me even sadder to watch the
spanish language coverage of his life & death
because it makes it more real and the global
impact that he has just amazes me.
I rarely write in spanish anymore. I can read it
pretty well. I don’t speak portuguese. In some
ways it’s similar to spanish so I get the gist of
it. As for speaking spanish I’d say I am semi-
intermediate. But I have neighbors from Cuba and
Puerto Rico and if necessary I can always contact
Eva, my former spanish teacher, if you need to
have something translated properly.
I won’t put it off any longer, AM.
The earrings. Let’s dish!
July 1st, 2009 at 12:53 pm
>>>Hey, monsoon weather here. Great day to go outside.
LOL
July 1st, 2009 at 12:54 pm
LOL! I think it was the day of the four outfit change. I love the new dangling earrings with the topaz-scarlet gems. There’s really nothing to dish on. I just like being a girl. On the other hand, what if the earrings offer a series of code?
I love your story on getting As even on the exams in Spanish.
July 1st, 2009 at 12:56 pm
>>>I won’t put it off any longer, AM.
The earrings. Let’s dish!
uh oh, i feel a scroll coming on.
July 1st, 2009 at 12:57 pm
I also think the necklace in Radar is just another product placement. No problems though. Why not.
I wonder a little about polo too (thanks to Steel for reminding me of this event)
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/bizarre/usa/1719369/Britney-Spears-is-smiling-again-at-charity-polo-event.html
July 1st, 2009 at 1:04 pm
Fantasy Says:
July 1st, 2009 at 12:49 pm
Fate is fate, you know.
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This is the part of Brit’s C-Ship that makes me nervous. I can understand using legal means to force her into rehab for detox/addictions. I can understand using legal means force her into a hospital to receive treatment for mental health issues.
What I don’t understand is using legal means to make someone conform into being the person you want them to be, instead of the person they really are. And that seems to be what I’m seeing when I look at the C-Ship.
It now appears to be gradually easing up…I’m interested to see where it’s going to go from here.
July 1st, 2009 at 1:06 pm
MH Says:
July 1st, 2009 at 12:56 pm
uh oh, i feel a scroll coming on.
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LOL
July 1st, 2009 at 1:16 pm
Steel at 1:04 p.m.
What I don’t understand is using legal means to make someone conform into being the person you want them to be, instead of the person they really are. And that seems to be what I’m seeing when I look at the C-Ship.
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AGREED Most articulate. Thanks, Steel.
July 1st, 2009 at 1:18 pm
Steel. What makes you think the c-ship is easing?
Brown hair? Lack of Brett?
As far as I can see the brown hair is just more marketing, but that is me being cynical.
July 1st, 2009 at 1:24 pm
*sigh*
Yeah, good question. I guess maybe because I saw her wearing a wig in public? Because she got to go shopping on Robertson?
It’s probably not really easing at all.
I just watched the Radar video for the second time. If anything, it looks like it’s a good description of her life right now – stuck at a boring polo match wearing a big stupid hat with a bunch of stuck up, self-important people, when she’d rather be sneaking off in jeans and boots to cavort with the rough and tumble guy who plays for the other team.
July 1st, 2009 at 1:40 pm
You’re on a roll today, Steel.
July 1st, 2009 at 2:11 pm
>>>You’re on a roll today, Steel.
She is isn’t she!
July 1st, 2009 at 3:00 pm
Yep!
Meanwhile, new documents filed:
06/30/2009 QBond-AMER. CONTRACTORS INDEMNITY (QUALIFYING BOND $1,500,000.00 )
Filed by Attorney for Conservator
06/29/2009 Notice of Appeal
Filed by Appellant
July 1st, 2009 at 3:31 pm
QB. Can you please explain how bonds in this case work?
Anyone. I thought that both Lutfi and Eardley had already filed a notice of appeal.
July 1st, 2009 at 3:36 pm
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/07/breaking-news-britney-spears%E2%80%99-dad-puts-15-million-continue-her-conservator
July 1st, 2009 at 3:37 pm
movement feb 2010
July 1st, 2009 at 3:45 pm
lol. Did I semi-break the story before Radar?
Thanks, MH.
How did we get from $100,000 bond to $1.5 million?
And how can they forecast that the c-ship will go past 2009? What if Britney is suddenly found competent and with capacity to answer questions and that answering them won’t do her harm? What if, what if, what if.
I wonder if this has anything to do with the Florida case. $1.5M?
July 1st, 2009 at 3:50 pm
Radar is not quite accurate.
04/01/2009 QBond-AMER. CONTRACTORS INDEMNITY ($1,500,000.00 – QUALIFYING BOND )
Filed by Attorney for Petitioner
02/01/2008 QBond-AMER. CONTRACTORS INDEMNITY ($50,000.00 – QUALIFYING BOND )
Filed by Attorney for Petitioner
02/01/2008 QBond-AMER. CONTRACTORS INDEMNITY ($50,000.00 – QUALIFYING BOND )
Filed by Attorney for Conservator
http://www.tmz.com/2009/04/02/brits-lawyer-shell-sing-i-promise/
July 1st, 2009 at 3:53 pm
MH. Movement 2010?
July 1st, 2009 at 4:00 pm
Interesting TMZ/UCLA story re media, scoop, etc.
http://www.thisisbrandx.com/2009/06/do-you-want-your-doctors-doctoring-or-texting-tmz.html
(contains MJ and BS)
July 1st, 2009 at 4:02 pm
http://www.showbizspy.com/article/188713/pink-britney-spears-shouldnt-mime
I love Pink for speaking her truth…and I agree with her 100%. Rock on.
July 1st, 2009 at 4:05 pm
Sorry. I am not sure whether to post this to the Jackson thread or here or keep it to myself as it is media related.
http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/2009/06/29/tmz-got-the-scoop-will-it-see-the-money/
I stay somewhat organized through this board (in looking for things later) so a little lenience please?
July 1st, 2009 at 4:26 pm
I change my mind remembering that Korn voiced a safety concern (for Adnan) about TMZ in the courtroom and that Adnan said that TMZ are what they are. Otherwise this is delicious stuff for me personally, a media analyst.
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-et-tmz28-2009jun28,0,3577013.story
July 1st, 2009 at 5:27 pm
MH at 4:02,
You surprise me with your belief in showbizspy reporting what you can believe in.
Pink’s opinion, if valid, doesn’t matter. It’s the fans that matter and Britney has them in abundance.
It’s exciting when Britney does something live through a microphone but otherwise fans don’t care.
Near every negative news piece involving miming or Britney not being there, has reported that the fans were going crazy and didn’t seem to mind.
July 1st, 2009 at 5:44 pm
I have a feeling I’m going to be disappointed in Brit’s concert. Partly for the lipsynching, but mostly to do with this…
I went to see Madonna’s Sticky and Sweet Tour last fall. A couple of weeks later I went to see Tina Turner.
I LOVE LOVE LOVE Madonna…I mean, you don’t even know how much I love Madonna. I used to be able to do all the dance moves to her Blonde Ambition Tour (and I can’t even dance). My friend called me from Boston one time, out of the blue, because she had to answer Madonna trivia for some radio station and chose ME to be her lifeline…That’s how into Madonna I was…Anyways…
Tina’s live show blew Madonna out of the water. By a LONG shot.
The problem was that Madonna’s show is SO rehearsed. Everything is choreographed so precisely that there’s barely any interaction with the audience. Madonna sings live through the whole thing (you can tell, because she sings off-key and squeaks notes out) and dances amazingly…But the show just felt FLAT. As in, really impersonal. Especially compared to Tina, who not only belted out every song perfectly, but talked to the audience between every song, and cracked jokes, and had the entire place wrapped around her little finger.
The same guy who directed Madonna’s show also created Britney’s. So I’m going with pretty low expectations. I’m going just to see Brit in person, and have fun. And that’s pretty much it.
July 1st, 2009 at 6:15 pm
the whole lip synching thing for me isn’t really about britney, but any artist. if i pay to see a show i want to hear the person sing live, talk to the audience. if fans that love her are satisfied just being in her presence so be it. but it’s not for me. i think it’s one big rip off. live music and spontaneity is what makes a show for me. britney has neither in hers.
July 1st, 2009 at 6:36 pm
I want to see Brit’s show to compare it to the female performers I’ve been to. So far, Tina has come in on top for me, but I’ve also seen Madonna (x2), Janet (which was again better than both of Madonna’s shows), Shania Twain, Dixie Chicks…
I don’t ever plan on seeing Mariah (she’s just not my thing), but I love going to concerts just to see how each person puts together their shows. Janet was great because she danced, and sang live (at least somewhat), but she also interacted with the audience a lot. She was just so sweet and likeable that I left being a much bigger fan of her as a person than I was before I went.
Brit’s show, I’m thinking, is going to be a lot like Criss Angel’s show at the Luxor. A lot of flash, but not a lot of substance. I can’t say I was thrilled with Criss Angel’s show (actually, it was pretty bad!) but it had a lot of memorable moments that had us talking about it afterwards, so I’m still glad I went.
July 1st, 2009 at 7:21 pm
I get it, and I am with you as far as talking in between sets. “Hello wherever” thrills audiences? Are they amazed to hear her speak at all?
I don’t know. But I see your point.
Tina Turner? OMG. Legend. I doubt there were any smoke or mirrors with her. One doesn’t need fantasy, costumes or other dancers to hold her up. Is that right, Steel? I have never seen her in concert.
I wonder why fans don’t do more on Britney’s concert tour, e.g., “Let Britney talk!” Maybe they don’t realize they have any power or don’t know how to organize or are zombied into accepting c-ship as the price of getting access to her. Or they are too young.
July 1st, 2009 at 7:22 pm
I have to agree with MH. I really do not think it is a good idea for artists to lip synch. The reason why people go to concerts is to see a live performance. I think people will understand that because the artist is singing live and maybe out of breath, the songs will not sound as exactly like the recorded version. If Michael can sing and dance live so can Brit.
I understand that the die hard Brit fans don’t care but in terms of her musical legacy, Brit does not want to be known as the superstar who mimed on a regular basis.
July 1st, 2009 at 7:59 pm
lol. For someone who analyzes the media I sure do bite into what I am sold sometimes.
On the other hand Ian Halperin said she lost her ability to sing long ago.
How does one lose their ability to sing, other than lack of self-confidence or will?
July 1st, 2009 at 9:13 pm
Queen B, if you’re still following the MJ story
Showbiz 411 has had the latest updates and
exclusives. Very reliable too.
Amethyst, I don’t think that Britney has lost her
singing ability. She’s not the greatest vocalist
out there but her voice, her real voice, is very
strong and mature sounding. I really don’t know
why or maybe who thought that she sounds better
singing softer or breathy. On the ‘Time Out With
Britney Spears’ video there’s some footage of her
singing songs from the 1st cd and she sounds
so good. She must have been about 16,17 years old.
Fast forward 3 years to the 3rd cd and she sounds
different in a way. Not bad but just not the same.
It’s odd in a way. I may not be right about this
and this is just my opinion but it seems that
Britney’s image (youth/innocense/looks) is being
or trying to keep it locked in a certain time
period. That’s obvious, I know. But also she
was kinda given this new softer, gentler, more
girly voice to forever match the image that was
created. We all know that female’s don’t have a
voice change that male’s do when going through
puberty. Her real voice is still there. I just
think that maybe the guys at the label felt that
the lighter voice would somehow sell better.
I don’t know if what I said makes sense or if I
said it in an articulate way but that’s my take
on the voice. Yesterday I was pleased with the
Radar video. I still am. Fans at other
sites expressed their disappointment with Radar
because she doesn’t dance in the video or it’s
not sexy enough. They keep saying “safe”.
In the Circus concerts she doesn’t dance like
she had on other tours. But they all still rave
about the show. I don’t entirely understand it.
July 1st, 2009 at 9:38 pm
Fantasy Says:
July 1st, 2009 at 9:13 pm
I just
think that maybe the guys at the label felt that
the lighter voice would somehow sell better.
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I think that’s exactly it. They have her sing a certain way in the studio to fit “the brand,” but it’s not something that can be recreated on stage in combination with choreography.
I’m sure I’ve told this story before (since my mother always tells me that I tell the same stories over and over…LOL), but I saw this great interview with Enrique Iglesias one time where he explained why he sings in that breathy whisper that he uses. He said something to the effect of, “There are a million people out there who have great singing voices. To be a huge star you have to be unique and stand out from the rest.” He said he came up with the breathy whisper as part of his “act,” and that it’s what sets him apart as “Enrique Iglesias.”
Makes sense to me!
July 1st, 2009 at 9:46 pm
Notice the comments underneath:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vX5HSuSDwFg
“You can see and hear she’s having a hard time matching her studio vocals. I can feel the stress in the back of my throat just listening to it. It’s a shame they have her using the baby voice rather than her real deep tone…”
July 1st, 2009 at 9:50 pm
This is interesting:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyXXlvJZhW8&feature=related
July 1st, 2009 at 10:20 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
July 1st, 2009 at 7:21 pm
Tina Turner? OMG. Legend. I doubt there were any smoke or mirrors with her. One doesn’t need fantasy, costumes or other dancers to hold her up. Is that right, Steel? I have never seen her in concert.
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Tina could have sat on a stool in the middle of the stage and sang a cappella for 90 minutes and everyone would have sat glued to their seats. She just had such an enormous stage presence.
I don’t know why I was so in awe of Tina, but I was.
I saw Neil Diamond a few weeks after that, and all he had was this tiny little stage that looked like he’d been using it since the 70’s. In fact, his whole band looked like they’d been with him since the 70’s! We were all giggling when we saw it (especially after seeing Tina’s big set-up), but when he started playing we realized he didn’t need anything else. Everyone still dug him…It was like Neil was a God, and we were all worshipping. Everyone was waving their arms in the air and swaying. It was just like a Benny Hinn revival meeting. A whole arena full of women just swooning, dreaming that Neil would pick them out of the audience and take them back to his hotel for a night of hot, passionate romance.
Oh…Neil.
LOL
July 1st, 2009 at 10:30 pm
St. Mag., that’s exactly what I’m talking about.
The footage of her in the studio is also included
in the home video that I mentioned. Her natural
voice isn’t bad at all. Man, was there anything
that her record label liked about her? Why sign
her to the label if they were only going to change
so much? She shouldn’t feel insecure about her
voice. But she was so young I imagine that she
just went along with the changes and didn’t know
how to speak up for herself. Lynne was still
there in those early days. Why didn’t she raise
any objections to what was happening to her child?
Sort of off subject. But I think AEG Live are
uncaring, money hungry, a**hole’s!!
I just watched Rachel Maddow’s show tonight and I
suggest other’s do the same. There should be
repeats airing later in the night. There is a
man from, oh I hope I’m correct w/ the name, it’s
called the The Daily Beast and he tells of what
may have driven MJ to his death. Check out the
website ASAP. From the sound of it MJ was pushed
and pressured into doing 50 concerts. If he were
to back out he would be penalized majorly. $$$$
They didn’t give a damn about him. I don’t know
why I’m so surprised about this. It just makes
me sick to hear all of this. These are the same
a-holes that Britney is hooked up with, right?!
How disgusting.
July 1st, 2009 at 10:41 pm
I didn’t mean to plug all of those sites
or shows. But there’s really good info on there.
Btw, AEG…shame on you!
July 1st, 2009 at 11:09 pm
About Britney’s concerts and singing live and miming, etc.. I think those who by her tickets know what they are getting. They go for the show, the theatrics(if you want to call it that), the spectacle. They don’t go to hear her sing. I do understand why some may not like that about her. But her fans like that.
As for me, I like live intimate settings. My favorite concert was Sarah McClachlan. It was in a theatre and sat in the 5th row. It was GREAT
I’m reall interested in this bond Jamie got. What does it mean? Anyone? I’ll stop by later and see what is going on.
Steel I agree with your post about the c-ship. I wondered also “what if MJ had been put under a c-ship..” But I am not liking what is going on with Britney right now and to see AEG involved in both is scary.
Back to Britney’s singing voice for a sec, I do think she can sing. I don’t think she has the confidence in her own voice because she was made to change it long ago. I think she conformed to what her label wanted to sell.
July 1st, 2009 at 11:09 pm
OMG, my posts have become like Fantasy’s LOL
I’m just kidding Fantasy!
July 1st, 2009 at 11:18 pm
Hi Small.
AEG. Yes,it is scary.
July 1st, 2009 at 11:29 pm
Going back to Brit’s voice, I don’t know if anyone remembers but Brit when she was a young girl appeared on Star Search and her voice was very strong and not like the baby voice she has now in fact she kind of sounded like Christina Aguilera.
It is obvious that the people around her want her to maintain her current “voice” in order to maintain that “sexy/sweet but innocent girl” image but I honestly do see her maturing singing wise as she gets older kind of like Madonna.
Before Madonna did Evita, she worked very hard to improve the strenght her vocals and achieved rave reviews.
I guess the key question do the Brit fans want a mature sound or the same “breathe heavy” voice altered by computers.
July 1st, 2009 at 11:33 pm
small hands Says:
July 1st, 2009 at 11:09 pm
As for me, I like live intimate settings. My favorite concert was Sarah McClachlan. It was in a theatre and sat in the 5th row. It was GREAT
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I hear ya on that one! I’ve never been to see Sarah (I know, how can I be Canadian and not have seen Sarah?!) but I went to see Loreena McKennitt (you guys have probably never heard of her) and got front row. The ticket said “obstructed view,” and I guess there was supposed to be a post in front of us, but there was no post. Got the ticket last minute, and still got front row. And my goodness, she’s just amazing. I think she’s playing little festivals and churches this summer…So under-appreciated!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTLX7h54jIg&feature=related
And that’s my little plug for Loreena.
July 1st, 2009 at 11:42 pm
Oops, with that last post, I meant to say…
Happy Canada Day, everybody!
I’m listening to fireworks going off in the background while I work here. (Loreena and Sarah are both Canadian…So that was my excuse for telling my Loreena story…)
P.S. Small, I’m jealous of your Sarah experience. It was nice to see Sarah make it big. She was this little singer here for so long, and then suddenly just blew up big out of nowhere. Same with Alanis. She was a popular here for about a decade before she moved to LA and released Jagged Little Pill. And I’ve still never seen either of them live.
July 1st, 2009 at 11:55 pm
>>>It was just like a Benny Hinn revival meeting.
Steel, I can always count on you to make me LOL.
July 2nd, 2009 at 2:04 am
I have seen Alanis in concert also
More jealous?? LOL…I kid, I kid!
AM—when do you think the c-ship was planned? I always thought it was months before any 5150s. I was unsure if you thought it was after the first, or way before that.
Talk to you all tommorow.
July 2nd, 2009 at 10:01 am
Small, I’m even more jealouser now!
I dedicate to you my favourite Alanis song of all time:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_LFnEoG62Q
July 2nd, 2009 at 1:02 pm
LOL. I was going to plug Alanis when I was reading Steel’s earlier posts.
She’s playing a OB/GYN this Monday I think on WEEDS. She works for the Mexican mafia aka drug traffickers.
Small. I don’t know how long it takes to prepare to take over someone’s life. There must be some duplicates in the case summary of documents …I count 32 for 2-01-08? Some of these include TRO documents against Lutfi, several are declarations, motions, etc. All I know is that Jamie was armed and prepared 8 to 9 days before 1-30-08 based on Lynne’s book.
There were 8 more docs on 2-4-08
QB. I imagine that took weeks of planning?
July 2nd, 2009 at 1:06 pm
I wonder where Jamie got the money to pay for all of the attorneys, their filing, appearances, and work?
Charge this to my daughter’s account. We will get the c-ship over her and the estate so don’t worry about payment?
July 2nd, 2009 at 1:36 pm
That was Eardley by the way who filed the appeal 6/30/09.
July 2nd, 2009 at 1:41 pm
AM, Here’s a WiLd and CrAzY thought…
Remember back around December 2006, when Brit’s people suddenly stopped paying WEG?
This co-incided with a number of things happening in Brit’s life. First, she filed from divorce from Kevin in November 2006. LR was re-hired as her manager promptly afterwards (I understand now, thanks to Small & Fantasy, that it was to fill the void left by Dan D. when he stuck with Kevin).
By Feb. 07, Brit was in and out of re-hab three times – escorted the first time to Crossroads Antigua by LR himself. This trip to rehab was CLEARLY arranged in conjunction with Pa:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,253618,00.html?sPage=fnc/entertainment/celebrity/spears
I know we’ve discussed this before, but I still wonder if the C-Ship was planned to start back in Jan/Feb ‘07.
It might explain why payments to WEG suddenly stopped…And why nobody wants Brit to testify in the WEG case. Perhaps LG/JS and crew prematurely started “managing” her money (thinking she was off to rehab/going under C-Ship), and messed up her finances in the process?
I don’t know. Feel free to poke holes in this theory. I’m probably reaching here.
July 2nd, 2009 at 1:43 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
July 2nd, 2009 at 1:06 pm
I wonder where Jamie got the money to pay for all of the attorneys, their filing, appearances, and work?
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AM, I forgot to mention in my last post that LR and JS (and the M’s) seem to have a pretty tight relationship. I wouldn’t be shocked if monies for attornies, etc. came from LR or the M’s. They certainly had a vested interest in getting “The Brand” back up and running.
July 2nd, 2009 at 1:49 pm
Also, remember that Dr. Phil show that was supposed to be an “intervention” with Brit? The one where Lou M. Taylor appeared on TV trash-talking Dr. Phil, saying he was speaking out of turn? I would TOTALLY believe the show was supposed to happen, but that Lou caught wind that the public thought it would be crass, so she started doing damage control and let Dr. Phil be the fall guy.
Well, I also wouldn’t be shocked if the C-Ship was supposed to happen back in Feb. 07, but that the idea was abandoned after it was decided that the public wouldn’t like the idea of it.
Image control. It’s all about image control.
July 2nd, 2009 at 1:54 pm
Also, a C-Ship in Feb. 07 may explain why Brit was going to see Blair Berk after springing herself from rehab.
Remember that ex-parte hearing that never happened?
Perhaps Berk was working for JS way back then, and Brit was going to talk to Berk about what her father was planning?
Then again…A C-Ship is pretty extreme…Could they have even pulled one off back then?
July 2nd, 2009 at 2:18 pm
Lou is a partner in Mercy Ministries?
http://www.zoominfo.com/Search/PersonDetail.aspx?PersonID=72440158
July 2nd, 2009 at 2:40 pm
I don’t have a lot of holes to poke (any?) and I never mind going back through the information.
I thought LR and company not provided the finances but maybe the contacts as well?
Vivian Lee Thoreen. Former attorney of Howard K. Stern. (Anna Nicole died Feb 8, 2007 — who knows what her death prompted in some people’s mind) It probably doesn’t mean smack but I think she was still with Holland & Knight of LA in 2007. Then she went to Luce and then back to Holland & Knight. Holland & Knight of Orange Co., FL have represented Britney since 10/07?
It means nothing. fyi, and totally off topic I found a quote by Geraldine Wyle (Luce) that Britney would have access to cash through her debit card. You’d think the paps would catch her using it.
I think you got the ball rolling as to why they don’t want Britney to testify and what I wonder is also, what is it she knows that only she can testify about in WEG? Accounting is accounting and as far as we know it’s been done now with copies to WEG. I mean, it can not be some admission of guilt or apology can it? “Sorry, ok, I stopped paying you because …” Why would they care about the reason unless it would augment damages?
So I am liking your thinking Steel as to what she might say that could either terminate the c-ship or damage the IMAGE.
By the way, I don’t know where 2010 came into the news yesterday but I am not falling for it this time. There is more scrutiny on the permanent c-ship. I think throwing 2010 in there was to appease us in the public.
This morning I was looking at some of the attorneys who made declarations:
July 2nd, 2009 at 2:45 pm
‘The “Toxic” singer, whose estate is reportedly worth an estimated $100 million, will have access to the cash via debit card to “enjoy herself, have some freedom of choice,” Geraldine Wyle, an attorney with Luce Forward, the firm representing Jamie Spears, told E! News.’
Remember reading that? and
“I have spoken to my client and she’s been inconsistent with her position to attend these hearings,” Ingham said in court. “The last word I got today was that she was not coming. I would categorize her as unwilling to appear…She does not object that the proceedings take place. However, she does object to elements of relief that are being requested.”
His last remark was referring to Britney’s continued consternation over losing control of her cash and comings-and-goings, however mitigated by the decision to allow her face time with her children again.’
http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b57707_Allowances_Made_for_Britney.html
July 2nd, 2009 at 2:49 pm
It was interesting reading that article again. They were talking about permanent c-ship as early as March 2008 with a date set for July?
Also, in March, Ingham was saying Britney was inconsistent about coming to the hearings. What did I post from the WEG case pertaining to Britney not coming to court? That it wouldn’t be meaningful for her to? They didn’t say that until May right?
July 2nd, 2009 at 2:50 pm
Correction: with a date set for July to have the hearing which was also supposed to be a trial for Britney’s voice to be heard, no?
July 2nd, 2009 at 3:40 pm
Mercy Ministeries. Isn’t that where they were going to send Jamie Lynn?
http://religiouschildabuse.blogspot.com/search/label/Mercy Ministries
July 2nd, 2009 at 4:20 pm
Gosh, Steel. Way to stir things up re the ministry. Wondering that Tri Star is Trinity Star right?
Looks like you are going to see One Call. It’s official and on BS. Say hello to WEG.
July 2nd, 2009 at 11:26 pm
Thank you Steel for the Alanis video
I believe the c-ship was planned in 2007 and executed in 2008. As I mentioned before, there was a poster at another forum who constantly mentioned a “plan” and they were getting the info from Alli Simms. She was a friend. This poster would post things before they hit the web. So I always believed they were telling the truth. But now you guys have me wondering about early 2007 instead of late 2007.
When Britney first entered rehab, her father either did or was going to do an interview with Joe Scarborough on MSNBC. They advertised it (I saw the ad on tv myself) but the interview never aired. I have always wondered if he did the interview and they never aired it OR if he canceled because it wasn’t a cool thing to do. That info came out of nowhere and has nothing to do with we are talking about, but I wanted to share it anyway.
July 3rd, 2009 at 12:29 am
Small. It has everything to do with what we are talking about.
Are you sure the poster at the other forum wasn’t Sam? Alli and Sam are a strange pair.
QB. Does the bond mean that Jamie can spend money without going to the court for approval? I did some searching around today. He has to be responsible and within the limits of the law I think but otherwise he doesn’t have to go to court to spend Britney’s money when he wants? Is that right?
Also. Do you think that is a second bond (so we are up to I think $3,100,000) or an extension of the last one? Odd that Radar mentions how late this is coming in the c-ship when there are already two bonds in place.
Small, if you can narrow the time frame for the interview maybe some of us can do some calls.
July 3rd, 2009 at 1:29 am
That’s what the bond is for? OMG. Wow.
The time frame was February 2007. I think. A few other people had mentioned seeing the ad also. Joe Scarborough is a conservative guy. Do you think Lou could have set up this interview? I am thinking he may not have done the interview afterall and maybe that is why it was never aired. I just remember waiting for it to air and it never did. And MSNBC/Joe never gave an explanation.
July 3rd, 2009 at 1:30 am
Talk to you on viernes
July 3rd, 2009 at 1:48 am
viernes?
Small. I don’t know that that is what the bond is for. That’s why I was asking QB. Radar didn’t adequately explain things.
There still has to be accounting etc. but privately (evil grin) I wonder that Jamie got slapped on the wrist for spending so much of Britney’s money so he had to come up with the extra bond.
Europe is here. Austalia is coming.
July 3rd, 2009 at 9:53 am
AM-
I’m not sure how the whole bond process works and why Jamie needed to secure an additional bond-it is very possible that the additional bond was added because the tour is being extended and as a result Brit is bringing in more money.
As co-conservators of the estate, as a general matter, Jamie and Andrew do not need to get the court’s position every time they want to spend Brit’s money except for legal fees for outside counsel which need prior approval from Goetz and the buying/selling of Brit’s home.
I knew the conservatorship was not going to end until sometime in 2010.
July 3rd, 2009 at 10:40 am
small hands Says:
July 2nd, 2009 at 11:26 pm
I believe the c-ship was planned in 2007 and executed in 2008. As I mentioned before, there was a poster at another forum who constantly mentioned a “plan” and they were getting the info from Alli Simms.
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Here’s a question (for anyone who may know) that I’ve been wondering…
When did Brit initially cut her parents out of her life? Was is BECAUSE of the forced rehab? Or did it happen BEFORE rehab?
If it happened before rehab, was the rehab used as a way to force them back in to her life? (In the same way that the conservatorship was used as a tool to force them back into her life in early ‘08?)
I just find it so interesting that Alli re-appeared on the scene in December 2006 (just as Kevin was on his way out…along with, perhaps, her parents, who appeared to be siding with Kevin). And that Sam later appeared on the scene, saying he was hired by Kevin’s lawyer to do investigative work on Brit. Especially since Lynne admits in her book that SHE was the first to have contact with Sam due to endorsement deals, etc.
Sorry, but I still have this gut feeling that Alli AND Sam were both ASKED to keep an eye on Brit. I have this feeling that Brit had ALREADY pushed her parents out, and they had no way to keep an eye on her so they hired “spies” (of sorts) to keep an eye on her for them.
(Caps are for emphasis, not screaming. LOL)
July 3rd, 2009 at 10:46 am
And you may all be asking yourselves, “Why are we talking about this AGAIN?!”
It’s because it relates to Lutfi’s confidentiality agreement. He clearly has some kind of…major nuclear bombish stuff…
I can’t help but think the M.N.B.S. relates to how Lutfi first entered the picture to begin with. Imagine if it all started with a failed C-Ship attempt back in Feb. 07? That would be…interesting.
Again, just one of many theories.
July 3rd, 2009 at 11:07 am
Good morning all.
What I’m about to say is just an opinion.
So please don’t get upset with me. Or try not to.
I’m very skeptical about the ending of the c-ship.
I had my hopes up so many times during the temp.
c-ship. It’s permanent now as we know. I really
can’t help but feel that even when Britney puts
on her last show at the end of November in Aussie
that the c-ship will stay. I don’t know what the
excuse will be this time. We’ll see, I guess.
I don’t fully buy the tour insurance excuse.
I repeat, not fully. I don’t see why the only
option was to make the c-ship permanent. As of
today we’re looking at an 8 and half months tour.
It isn’t like Britney is going to tour forever.
So why not just keep the c-ship temp. and have
the attys. go into court to re-extend every 4-5
months like they’d been doing? What was wrong
with that? The attys. would still get paid. So…
Once I said here that I think Britney was up to
something. I still do. I repeat, that’s just my
opinion. Just a feeling I have. I may sound like
a quack, BUT, something is up. Something with
Britney or also something with the conservator(s)
or the c-ship itself. I’m even gonna go farther
with it and say that I think that Lynne may have
a non-legal, unofficial, yet active “TRO” against
her. (Yeah, people I went there.) Where the heck
has she been? At Serenity, right? I assume that
Lynne attended Laura Lynn’s wedding in May. She
saw Britney there. But was that it? Only see.
I’ve not seen Lynne since March when Britney was
doing concerts in Florida. In my opinion, I
totally think that Lynne is on what I like to
call The List. She either said or did something
to tick off Jamie and now even she has ended up
with limited access to Britney. Phone tag may be
all she’s got. Repeat, just MY opinion.
Will Amapola read this and say I’m a troll?
Anyone? Hope not. These are my random thoughts.
Just throwing it all out there. I mean no harm.
Amethyst, is it true that you speak French?
Britney will be in Paris for a few shows and I
don’t know if anyone will tweet from the shows
in English. What about you, St. Mag? Know French?
TTYL.
July 3rd, 2009 at 11:24 am
Fantasy Says:
July 3rd, 2009 at 11:07 am
I’ve not seen Lynne since March when Britney was
doing concerts in Florida. In my opinion, I
totally think that Lynne is on what I like to
call The List.
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Wow, interesting. This isn’t what I thought you were hinting at earlier…But it’s interesting nonetheless.
It would be interesting to know if Ma made any kind of legal moves regarding the C-Ship that fizzled in the same way the cell phone conspiracy fizzled back in January?
Wanna know my theory? I’ll just say it outright, ’cause it’s only a theory.
I was wondering if perhaps Brit was going to marry JT as a way of getting herself out of the C-Ship. Not that she really WANTS to marry him, but I was wondering if maybe (just between her and JT) that it was the kind of deal that MJ had with Debbie Rowe – that it would be a legal arrangement that would serve a function (and really not be anything more).
July 3rd, 2009 at 11:26 am
I can read French, but in a limited way…Had to take it in school up to grade nine. But it’s Quebec French, so it’s a bit different. So I probably wouldn’t be of help when it comes to the Paris shows.
July 3rd, 2009 at 11:32 am
St. Mag, I was thinking the same as you about
B and Trawick.
I’ve been thinking a lot of things.
Lynne being on The List is my newest thing.
July 3rd, 2009 at 11:32 am
Fantasy Says:
July 3rd, 2009 at 11:07 am
I assume that
Lynne attended Laura Lynn’s wedding in May. She
saw Britney there. But was that it? Only see.
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Well, that would explain the reports of Brit sitting by herself at a table, not interacting with anyone, while Jamie-Lynn acted “normal” and socialized with everyone.
http://www.laineygossip.com/Britney_Spears_attends_cousins_wedding_in_Louisiana_May_2009.aspx
July 3rd, 2009 at 11:42 am
I was thinking the same thing about Lynne.
The last time she was in L.A. was in January.
Britney was moving from The Summit to Chateaux
Suenos. On BH Jordan reported that Ma and Pa
exchanged some words. They had what I’d call a
verbal throw down. Pa told her to hit the road.
Lynne, to my knowledge, hasn’t seen Britney
very much during the tour. I really thought she’d
be visiting more often. That’s not the case.
July 3rd, 2009 at 11:56 am
When I said that I was thinking the same about
Lynne I meant that maybe she knew that Britney
was trying to hire a new atty. and so on.
Lynne and Britney were together a lot during
the Summit move. I mean a lot. Alone. At least
in the car alone from what I saw. Britney could
have told her mom many things about how she felt
about her dad or her feelings & having cold feet
about touring,etc.
Just like B and Trawick reportedly spent 2 hours
alone in the car driving around, not stopping.
Imagine all the things that could’ve come out
from B to Trawick. One can’t help but feel sorry
for her at times. She’s the kind of girl that
you just would want to help. That’s what I
thought it was about. She doesn’t have Adnan to
turn to. Trawick could be like a substitute.
Do you know what I mean?
July 3rd, 2009 at 12:18 pm
And the house Lynne lives in?
Paid for out of the money Jamie controls. Eek.
July 3rd, 2009 at 1:06 pm
Steel and Fantasy—I have been having the same thoughts about Lynne and Jason. Especially Lynne. She has been in MIA for months. And wasn’t she with Britney when Britney got the phone from Sam’s sister? All those events happened around the same time. The phone, BH mentioning an “argument” with Jamie where Lynne was told to hit the road…all at the same time. Not a coincidence if you ask me.
Steel I’m not sure if Sam was asked to keep an eye on Britney, but I do think Alli was. I find if funny that Lynne pretends to not know Alli that well in her book. She did give that impression right?
July 3rd, 2009 at 1:37 pm
I have had the sense all along that Lynne was in on the phone deal. She may not have known the specifics but …
I will try to find a link but I think it was Jan 27, 2009 that the argument was posted on Breatheheavy. Do you also remember photos of Britney and Lynne driving around and Britney was using a phone? Was it the Nokia?
Steel. I think that is a good theory re secrets; Alli sent in, Sam follows and things begin to backfire with Sam. It’s pretty damning if it’s true.
July 3rd, 2009 at 1:39 pm
Correction: sound theory? reasonable rational makes sense theory?
July 3rd, 2009 at 1:47 pm
“If you say this about me then I’ll say this about you. I am not going down alone,” Lutfi to Jamie through Berk.
Of course, Lutfi and Jamie would both have reasons to agree not to let the information out.
Why wouldn’t the parents hire a private investigator or go along with it if it’s what K-Fed proposed?
I wonder that Berk has anything to do with representing grandparents’ rights to visitation…I don’t think she’s a likely choice as to custody arrangements but dealing with DUIs, treatment, rights? When she goes to court isn’t she representing the grandparents or at least Jamie Spears since she testified she was his personal attorney?
July 3rd, 2009 at 1:55 pm
I’d never really thought of it this way, but yeah…
What if the ex-parte hearing, Berk, and Jamie were all interconnected?
As far as K-Fed and private investigators…I tend to think it was Kaplan responsible for this more than Kevin himself. As in, Kevin (in my feable little mind) would be more arms-length than anything, just sitting back and letting his lawyer do his job. But who knows.
July 3rd, 2009 at 1:58 pm
http://www.breatheheavy.com/exhale/viewthread.php?tid=110816
posted Jan 26, 2009
What date did they discover the phone?
July 3rd, 2009 at 1:59 pm
And again, I go back to Eardley’s letter of January ‘08. In the letter, it says what Brit’s parents were allegedly saying was wrong with her. (Do I gotta come right out and say it?)
I don’t know if they were telling Brit that directly, or if Lutfi was saying that they were saying it, but either way…Brit must have really mistrusted her parents because of it.
I don’t know if it’s true or not (and it’s a health-related issue and not really our business), but…
It adds to the story, at the very least.
July 3rd, 2009 at 2:03 pm
I’m not sure the date they discovered the phone, but I wouldn’t be shocked if it was Brit who was calling JM herself. He seemed to have a lot of inside scoops during that short time period. (e.g. JJ being sent to the hospital in Louisiana. “Something’s up,” says JM, but no more inside scoops after that.)
July 3rd, 2009 at 2:04 pm
No, Steel. You don’t have to come out and say it.
Meanwhile, here’s your find from March 2009. The link no longer works but we have a date:
LYNNE LEAVES L.A.
22 Jan 2009, by Jordan Miller
Lynne was spotted catching a flight at Los Angeles airport LAX Thursday afternoon en route back home to Kentwood, Louisiana….
http://www.breatheheavy.com/index.php?subaction=showfull&id=1232687945&archive=&start_from=&ucat=&
July 3rd, 2009 at 2:16 pm
4/6/09 at about 3:05 p.m. Steel is posting links. Why look at it again? Because we didn’t have a court transcript before to refer to.
Query about the agreement that should either Jamie or Sam talk about it it would become null and void. I think Sam is convinced that Jamie won’t say anything and probably for the reasons that Steel has suggested. I can’t believe you are far off in your deductions, Steel: they make sense or are at least closer to the truth than we’ve been IMHO.
I also think Lynne was excluded from much of the planning back in 01/07 — I’d have to look back but wasn’t she confronted by a bunch of people including her husband and Lou when it came to sending Jamie Lynn away?
Did Lynne’s book only sell 65,000 because she stopped doing promotion? (effectively stopped having access to media or be in a position to answering unexpected questions?)
Steel. I think the uncle has financial control over the house and assets in Louisiana? It’s Jamie’s brother I think. Fantasy knows all of this stuff.
July 3rd, 2009 at 2:51 pm
It’s Reggie Covington. Lynne’s brother-in-law.
It’s in the docs from 2 or 3 threads ago.
July 3rd, 2009 at 3:04 pm
So the house is on “her” side of the family? At least she doesn’t have to worry about THAT then.
July 3rd, 2009 at 3:07 pm
I gotta run out for few hours, so I can’t really wrap my head around this completely. But…
Did we ever determine if there was a point when Lynne was removed as a trustee of the SJB Trust?
I guess what I’m asking is, was there a point in time where there was a power switch, from Lynne to Jamie?
July 3rd, 2009 at 3:09 pm
Just a thought…
Lou seems to be the link between Lynne and Jamie…The negotiator between the warring ex’s?
I don’t know if they’ve ever been warring, per se, but Lynne appears to have been signed with Lou first, along with Jamie Lynn. Then Jamie got added later as a “celebrity chef.”
Is this correct?
July 3rd, 2009 at 5:16 pm
Something else to mix with the pot.
I had been ignoring conservatorship/guardianship in the case summary in the conservatorship until today.
I had thought it was a standard abbreviation or I didn’t think about it at all.
09/28/2008 Notice-Hearing Consorshp/Guardshp
Filed by Attorney for Petitioner
After looking at conservatorship bonds yesterday I came to find that guardianship only refers to children in California.
Remember there was scuttle about Berk or an attorney as a guardian? What if Jamie is the legal guardian over the kids as to the conservatees rights… he’s not just a conservator he’s the guardian to the kids and Berk represents him? And what if this were the beginning of the case back in Feb 07? Maybe her father learned his rights and had papers ready to go.
Cruel world.
Fantasy. I knew you would know Reggie off the top of your head.
Steel. There were two phones I believe. One confiscated around Jan 9th and then Christina says she got a call from Britney in mid-January and I think she delivered the new phone on January 16.
Jayden, hospital, MS early November 2008.
July 3rd, 2009 at 5:29 pm
Allegedly a phone was confiscated Jan 9th.
July 3rd, 2009 at 5:48 pm
http://britneyexperts.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=4052
Maybe it was cheaper for K-Fed to ride with the family, leave Victoria at home, and have Britney, her dad, and the nanny look after the kids.
July 3rd, 2009 at 5:57 pm
Fantasy, I speak French poorly after so many years but I can hobble along. I was amazed the last time Britney perform to see the same old haters and lovers, this time in French, on one of the chatboards associated with the broadcast.
fat, old, beautiful, sexy, same old same old.
There are also some bi-lingual people on BH and they translated twitters in various languages as they came in.
Think there will be any stories on Britney cheating on Trawick with K-Fed?
July 3rd, 2009 at 7:47 pm
I would so rather talk about earrings. I am reading through dry material but it’s good prep should Adnan go to trial.
I’m looking at the driver’s license case.
Steel. I can tell you she used a mailing address of Tash and Feldstein at http://www.nksf.com/ (CPAs, business management. Remember they were subpoenaed by WEG Jan 8, 2009) from at least April 4 to October 2, 2007.
She may have begun an application process in April. Anyway, she listed both her home and mailing address in April and in August but in October changed her mailing address on the final application process.
All of this was brought out (90% without the jury and the media being present)as Flanagan tries to assert that Britney had a valid LA drivers license based on California waiving a driving test.
btw, I like the jury instruction about remembering that nothing the attorneys’ say or ask constitutes as evidence. Flanagan has already said to the jury that Britney went home many times last year (2007). Wasn’t the last time she went home Christmas 2006 until after the c-ship?
QB. This is dry reading but I think you would have loved the arguments and the no-nonsense judge. Moving on to Jamie’s testimony.
July 3rd, 2009 at 7:48 pm
Correction: no one mentioned Tash or Feldstein but I know the address and the CPAs she was dealing with based on WEG.
July 3rd, 2009 at 11:19 pm
Something odd. 10/15/08 media reported that Britney didn’t show up for “jury selection.” E! was the most accurate about it stating she didn’t have to and that she was not expected at any future proceedings.
What’s interesting is the X17 pap who testified. He was testifying on following her, e.g., to the extent of knowing she spent 80% of her time in California.
He has 12 years of experience on a police force and prides himself that while others sleep he can still find her.
10/16/08
Q: When was the last time you followed her?
A: I followed yesterday. I was here in the court. I followed her two days ago to the nail salon with the mom and the sister inside of the gardener car.
Did you guys even know Jamie Lynn was there? Was she? And why was Britney in court or in the courthouse? Was she? There are no reports saying she was, but the pap had no reason to say it.
He was a witness for the prosecution and the questions were from Amerian.
July 4th, 2009 at 3:17 pm
Happy 4th of July!
I’ve made my peace w/ JM. Over it!
Heading to Paris for the concert. bye.
July 4th, 2009 at 4:50 pm
Ha! Fantasy. I am there too! And then it’s off to brats, cards, beer and the best of friends.
Happy independence day.
Q What is a conservator? What do you do as conservator?
A I just — I take care of her.
Q You make the business decisions?
A Yes, sir. I make all business decisions.
(no new song tonight? nothing about MJ? No live microphone? K-Fed in the same plane? Fuente/Robson gone?)
July 5th, 2009 at 7:34 pm
I don’t care
I don’t care
I don’t care
I don’t care
You can cry again
My face like a…
July 5th, 2009 at 7:49 pm
Sad. Steel. Any explanation as to choreo? I feel bad Britney had to perform that.
Of course, I also read into the lyrics about who is saying I’ll do what I like and you’ll like it.
July 5th, 2009 at 8:12 pm
What I mean is that the choreo has nothing to do with the music and lyrics.
I make all the business decisions.
How far does it go? I am not going to buy the knee/insurance this time.
What the lyrics mean to me personally is a separate issue but doesn’t change the lame choreography and selling of t-shirts and hats.
I’m saddened on all accounts and if you are not reading the French press it’s not favorable that I know. I wish they would seize on the lack of microphone instead of whether she appears to be into it or just doing the numbers or dwarfed etc.
July 5th, 2009 at 8:15 pm
http://tempsreel.nouvelobs.com/actualites/people/20090705.OBS3129/malgre_un_spectacle_tres_travaille_britney_spears_a_dec.html?idfx=RSS_notr&xtor=RSS-17
Fantasy. You can copy and paste into Babel.
July 5th, 2009 at 8:16 pm
I’d never seen the video before at 3:36 p.m.
http://breatheheavy.com/exhale/viewthread.php?tid=167626&page=1#pid2676856
Singing, screaming into the microphone, spontaneous, talking, fun.
July 5th, 2009 at 8:28 pm
Best pics from last night. Takes time to load.
http://breatheheavy.com/exhale/viewthread.php?tid=167480
July 5th, 2009 at 8:48 pm
Shucks! On the day I decide to take Doc’s advice
and go outside is just when Mannequin gets added
to the show. From the looks of the performance I
see that I didn’t miss out on much. (Harsh?)
I can’t make up an excuse for the choreography.
The rehearsal vid from last summer is awesome.
Maybe Wade or Andre choreographed it?
Well, I do like how Mannequin sounds live.
The exit was good. I don’t know what’s up with
all of the walking around during dance breaks.
I haven’t read the French reviews. Are they bad
or really bad? It doesn’t matter so much I guess.
But still it’s great that the song was added.
July 5th, 2009 at 9:18 pm
Hi, Fantasy. The reviews mimic other ones we’ve read about not being there or dwarfed or it not being much of a show without the circus. One review suggested watching with a beer and popcorn in hand.
One went after hair care products, I think. They didn’t like her hair.
Of all the music on Circus, mannequin is my favorite. I’ve gone from sad to mad. How could anyone working with her not have seen the poor choreo? I mean for all of the dancers. Pitiful.
Some exhalers who were following some of the dancers’ twitters said that the original was supposed to be all male. Then it was changed.
How pointed it might have been I wonder with all male dancers. But that is me reading into the lyrics again, but do you think I am reading into them?
I mean, who is not screaming but breathing and who is doing what they like and she’ll like it?
July 5th, 2009 at 9:20 pm
And remember the crowd of dancers over her at the end of the original rehearsal? So many and all over her head, body and crowding her.
I wish Fuente and Robson would speak but we know how settlements go in Jamie’s world.
July 5th, 2009 at 9:28 pm
Oh wow! I watched the Crazy performance (the link)
and Britney was so ON IT back then. If only…
well you know what I wanna say.
Has anyone ever seen a movie from the nineties
called Dave? It was about a man who looks like
the president and basically he is brought into
the White House to fill in for the prez who gets..
umm…sick in the midst of a Clinton-like scandal.
The where abouts of the real prez is kept a
secret. So the presidental look-a-like Dave takes
on all of the duties that the real prez can’t do.
Anywho, it was a good movie. If memory serves me
correct the fake Prez was better than the real
one. Isn’t that something? lol
I was reading some comments on E! and one person
pretty much said that Britney’s people are so
busy at preserving her money and image that they
are forgetting about preserving HER. I could not
agree more. Has anyone seen pics of SP and JJ
lately? They’ve grown so much. They were spotted
eating ice cream cones with Kev and Victoria.
I want to say something to Amapola.
If you’re out there reading this Ama I want you
to know that I’m not mad at you. Our opinions
or way of expressing them may be different.
But I really would like it if you’d come back
around and chat with everyone again.
People were so kind to me when I went through
my “withdrawal” moment. I’m extending my hand
to you, Amapola. Come on back.
Hope you all are having a fun weekend. Stay safe.
July 5th, 2009 at 10:21 pm
I love the movie Dave.
I can’t figure out (don’t want to accept?) what went on with the choreography tonight.
Fantasy. I am so glad you saw the video. I see what you mean about her voice. I didn’t know she was once that spontaneous and interactive with the audience.
I think the fans have been pretty generous but I wish they would become demanding and ask her to speak. Why don’t they?
Why doesn’t JM address that?
July 5th, 2009 at 10:33 pm
Yeppers. I’m conjuring up what’s going on the back of my “Free Britney” T-shirt as we type…
July 5th, 2009 at 10:46 pm
I don’t get the feeling that the fans are all that
interested in what she has to say. Remember the
voice mails? They didn’t want to believe it was
her. That is the only time that she has spoken
this year. Other than the outbursts from the
spring. Mostly every word that she speaks is very
brief and sounds scripted. She also came across as
nervous and shy during the European promo. I’m
talking about X Factor in the UK.
The fans want her blonde, half naked, and shaking
her money maker. On stage and in videos. If they
don’t get that, they are really pissy. Just look
at the majority of the responses about Radar and
now Mannequin. I understand the reactions. I too
am disappointed with Mannequin. The classic moves
are still in her. She just won’t release it.
When she spoke somewhat openly in FTR what she
said was quickly forgotten by some fans because
they turned their attention to the GMA performance
and the Circus video. They don’t seem to grasp
what’s happening within her. Not saying I’m
Miss Know It All. But I don’t turn a blind eye to
what’s happening with the c-ship.
I’ll get back with you all at another time. TTYL.
July 5th, 2009 at 10:49 pm
I just watched that Mannequin footage again…Actually watching the dance moves themselves this time. And…ummm…
The first time I watched it, I was at the very least “unimpressed.”
This time I’m thinking to myself, “Is this a joke?!”
Those moves look like something out of a talent show at my parent’s trailer park. (Ummm, no, they don’t live in a trailer…They go there on weekends to “get away.” LOL) What’s with all the “boo-hoo” stuff they keep doing? And all the little 80’s style twirls? And the white wife-beaters for costumes?
Sorry, that’s harsh but…Man! What’s going on?!
But yeah, the ending was cool. (Think happy thoughts…Think happy thoughts…)
July 5th, 2009 at 10:52 pm
The next little Twitter message her camp releases will say something like, “Did you like Mannequin? Britney choreographed it herself!”
Or something similar, which will make me look like a complete ass for posting my last message.
I know it.
July 6th, 2009 at 2:47 am
I will be honest and say I haven’t seen her performances for this tour. I don’t want to because I think I will be disappointed. She isn’t the same performer she used to be. I’m still a fan. That won’t change. I don’t like what is going on with the c-ship. It’s come to the point where, if I were her, I would be embarrassed to have a legal guardian at her age.
I hope everyone had a nice holiday
Adnan goes to court this week…Thursday I think it is?
July 6th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
small, yes, this Thursday and I think I will be around after all.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZsykallrCQ&eurl=http://www.breatheheavy.com/exhale/viewthread.php?tid=167485&page=26&feature=player_embedded
Close ups of hand gestures or walk like an Egyptian.
small, if you just don’t have the heart, “I” could do those moves and I am not the best dancer ok? Also, anyone can walk in a circle. That was the big finish and I don’t mean dancing or bopping while walking in a circle. I mean literally no one does anything but walk in a circle.
Steel. Good luck with the t-shirt.
Fantasy. I think people do care what she says or they wouldn’t get so crazed when she calls out to the wrong town or no town at all.
Did she and her management honestly decide not to say one word about MJ? They just played a video?
July 6th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
Media trends. No one is saying anything, not even Perez. They are uploading the video and asking what do you think? Perez asked about choice of songs. How much more noncommittal can you be? I mean Perez???? Not telling us what to think?
July 6th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
I just saw the youtube video and all I have to say is “Wow”. Who choreographed this number? The dancing is not up to par. The dancing looked like a laid back dance rehearsal. Brit was always known as a fabulous dancer so what happened?
I can’t believe Brit’s people allowed her to embarass herself; no wonder Wade Robson left the tour because he probably felt very uncomfortable about the whole process.
Anyway, Madonna did an excellent tribute to MJ while in London. Also, I just saw some pics of Kevin, Victoria, Kevin’s nanny and the kids in Paris. It must be nice not to have to work.
July 6th, 2009 at 2:01 pm
I was thinking the same, QB. Did they do it on purpose? Is it a signal? a rebellion over too much control? It was to me that circumspect.
Elle magazine writes (confirms) that Britney only said good evening Paris on Saturday night.
All of the French publications I have found report that she wasn’t into the show – no fire, no passion and that the French press was critical and disappointed but the fans cheered anyhow.
http://www.elle.fr/elle/loisirs/musique/news/britney-spears-a-paris-un-show-decevant/(gid)/922124
‘..of the songs in playback and graduated choreographies which do not leave room to any improvisation…’
What’s the artistic point by the way of the guy dancer trying to pump her and grope her ass? It’s not a romantic or sexy (not even if fetish interpretation) song to me.
July 6th, 2009 at 3:19 pm
excited for my friend who scored tix to the jackson memorial. yay for her.
AM, Y won’t load.
July 6th, 2009 at 4:12 pm
Y? If you mean the French link google BS francais elle or “bonsoir, Paris” elle.
Anyone see the new Candies website featuring Britney? Golly gee, a polo horse. They still could have done Radar with dancing but I am guessing the whole vid is wholesome but flirty for a reason.
I don’t feel so off now for suggesting Brit’s new outfit with the wife-beater and hat, plus her signature Fedora on some of the other dancers wasn’t for promo.
http://www.candies.com/
click on exclusive pics show me. Polo horse, Britney, and polo player dressed in hot pink.
I am happy for your friend, MH.
July 6th, 2009 at 4:14 pm
‘Coming soon. Candie’s commercial featuring: Britney’s Radar.’
cha-ching Jamie
July 6th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
Got it, MH. Good to know! Thank you. Y
July 6th, 2009 at 5:08 pm
I take it back. It’s totally sexy in the rehearsal but it makes sense and it’s beaut choreo.
July 6th, 2009 at 6:26 pm
Is Blair Berk wearing Candie’s, too?
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/bizarre/usa/1719369/Britney-Spears-is-smiling-again-at-charity-polo-event.html
July 6th, 2009 at 6:34 pm
I guess I was wrong about the Radar video. It dropped a week before July 9th.
July 9th. Wow. That’s coming up fast.
July 6th, 2009 at 6:52 pm
Steel? How were you to know it was tied around a Candies’ promo, not Adnan? lol. It was still a good prediction.
I don’t know if I would put any money on it but I wonder that the media will cover Thursday? If it’s dismissed or the case goes to trial they have no excuse.
What do you make of tabloid media not saying what they think of the Mannequin sequence? Are they all paid off?
July 6th, 2009 at 6:57 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
July 6th, 2009 at 6:52 pm
What do you make of tabloid media not saying what they think of the Mannequin sequence? Are they all paid off?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Good question. I don’t know if “paid” would mean “in cash”?
…Or more like “in kind contributions”?
Perez seems to be getting pretty wishy washy on ALL his/their stories. And is it just me, or is his site getting later and later on posting their stories? And worse and worse with the direct copy and pasting of other people’s writing? Geez, nothing bothers me more than seeing a direct copy and paste without crediting the other author!
July 6th, 2009 at 7:00 pm
I have little history with Perez.
I think the lack of criticism or taking a stand is favor for favors? Or now is not a good time to tick off Jamie Spears?
Or maybe you are right, it’s sympathy but since when did Perez have kindness for anyone?
July 6th, 2009 at 7:05 pm
I don’t know about Perez being kind or sympathetic…
More like all the sites might get little “gifts” such as exclusive photos, videos, etc?
July 6th, 2009 at 7:46 pm
I have also noticed that Perez appears to be going soft on some people a la Brit but he still hates or dislikes a lot of people like my fave Beyonce.
I think that Perez has the let the fame and fortune go to his head and instead of criticizing the celebs he has become one of them. Instead being on the outside looking in; Perez is an insider-he goes to the same parties that all the other celebs go to.
Perez does not break any stories. He copies stories from others sometimes he gives credit and sometimes not. On the one hand, instead of having to go a dozen websites, Perez does the job fo you by copying from the other websites.
The old Perez would have raked Brit over the coals for her Mannequin performance but he stayed pretty much silent-why? I guess he does not want to lose access to Brit.
July 6th, 2009 at 8:21 pm
I agree. I hate it but I agree. Who made him a celeb? Camp Spears.
Okay and maybe Fantasy will have to answer this, earrings and all, is the new pink bow and sash tied to Candies promo? lol. I preferred the purple.
I am a girl.
July 6th, 2009 at 8:25 pm
Am I starting to sound one-sided?
July 6th, 2009 at 11:09 pm
lol starting
July 7th, 2009 at 3:18 am
MH–I’m happy for your friend
I would have loved to go.
AM–Thank you for description of the Mannequin choreography. I’m glad I didn’t watch it.
July 7th, 2009 at 11:45 am
LOL @ self. 8:25 11:09
small. Glad I could help. I saw the next evening’s performance and turned it off.
Do you have insight as to how Britney felt about her videos and fans? I find Radar/Candies/and fund raiser with Blair Berk at polo show disturbing nevermind Mannequin choreography.
Brit has become a doll indeed but then I am playing the side of she had not much to do with the above plaint.
July 7th, 2009 at 11:47 am
I’m just watching the live stream of everyone streaming into the Staples Center for MJ.
Wow, this seems so strange to watch. All the fans are saying they’re so “excited” to be there.
But at the same time, I’m watching Michael’s parents walking into the Hall of Liberty with his three kids, and it’s just so sad. Such a huge contrast in emotions.
History in the making, indeed.
July 7th, 2009 at 3:54 pm
‘History in the making, indeed.’
Copyright 2009
AEG Live – All rights reserved.
——-
R.I.P. Michael Jackson
July 7th, 2009 at 4:40 pm
Awww, I didn’t know I loved MJ so much! *honks nose one more time*
When he died my friends asked how I was dealing with it, and I thought, “Huh?!” They said they were asking ’cause I guess I used to always do the moonwalk and try to copy his moves (LOL…Yeah, I’m a white girl…Don’t ask…) But I never really considered myself a “fan.”
But, heck, if I didn’t just cry my way through the entire memorial.
July 7th, 2009 at 5:10 pm
There there, Steel. I cried most on hearing the news.
I mean no disrespect but I am bitter as to AEG’s handling.
First $25/ticket for fans. That was tacky and inappropriate.
If you watched today’s live feed from CNN, TMZ, MTV or other you likely thought they had their own cameras for the event.
Wrong. It was AEG Live. Any videos or playback you see today or in your lifetime are owned and copyrighted by AEG Live. Look at the source.
I wouldn’t have noticed it save I stopped watching TMZ for a moment after the event was over. The last frame I saw upon returning was what I typed at 3:54 p.m.
AEG owns Paris Jackson’s first words said in public. AEG owns rare solo by Jermaine and others, MLKIII, Mrs. King. 50 concerts? They have a lot of merchandise to sell online and already are.
Britney Spears: how 3 concerts became Y x X = c and infinite c-ship. I mention this really to keep MJ related to the thread, but …
Come have a stiff drink, Steel?
July 7th, 2009 at 5:33 pm
Got limes?
July 7th, 2009 at 5:35 pm
I said stiff but Coronas will do.
sniff
July 7th, 2009 at 5:36 pm
Tequila!
July 7th, 2009 at 5:57 pm
Better make it lemons then. LOL
I also noticed the “Copyright 2009 AEG Live” at the end. And cringed just thinking about it.
…Now get ready for all the commemorative DVD’s.
July 7th, 2009 at 6:02 pm
I have lots of lemons.
I’m sort of wrestling with AEG has the right to make money but … 10 concerts to 50? $25 to fans? Insurance to cover drug overdose rather than accidental death? Early release/promo of last rehearsal either to save themselves or to make money?
And it’s okay with them to have a person under a known c-ship doing tours? Something wrong with that.
Pass the salt.
July 7th, 2009 at 6:03 pm
Please.
July 7th, 2009 at 6:07 pm
This one is for you AM.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_5ZN8R9QYB18/SlOuJMgfl_I/AAAAAAAADvY/m8D3Fs66QiA/s1600-h/3.jpg
July 7th, 2009 at 6:27 pm
LOL MH.
Wait. Are those ciggies in her hand?
Please honey can I have the ciggies?
Thanks, MH.
Gosh intimacy and kids running outside of their pram?
July 7th, 2009 at 8:08 pm
if by pram you mean perimeter…i would think that you of all people would know better than to make a judgement based on one semi close photo. there were 4 adults there.
July 7th, 2009 at 8:12 pm
pram = carriage = British crib on wheels = stroller
The kids were not in strollers. Some people have been complaining about the stroller and the pacifier.
July 7th, 2009 at 8:18 pm
In other words, photo op.
July 7th, 2009 at 8:24 pm
I am surprised by the mega-G number of photos out compared to the other day re Vicky, K-Fed, and the kids.
July 7th, 2009 at 11:32 pm
Steel–I cried like a baby today
This has really made me sad. He really was a talented person. Timeless.
You know what bothers me about K-fed and Vicky shots….neither works and yet they still have a nanny. I expected more from Vicky. I just want to shake her and say BE SOMETHING. DO SOMETHING. She is coming off as a slacker/loser like Kevin. Get a job. Something. Be a strong woman. It’s disappointing. And please don’t tell me she works because all I’ve seen her do these past few months is go on a European vacation. Rant over.
I’m off to get a life. LMAO!
July 7th, 2009 at 11:49 pm
The MJ Memorial today was so emotional; by the time it was over I was drained. Michael was such a phenomenal performer- a true legend and there will never be another. I cried so many times especially at the end. Sometimes we forget that Michael was someone’s father, brother, son and trusted friend.
He died too soon and too young and I hope that all of the doctors who were improperly medicating him are brought to justice.
Going back to Kevin, the kids and Victoria, I believe that Victoria did have some kind of job and I’m assuming she decided to quit that job so she could be Kevin’s travel companion. I guess she figures that Kevin makes enough money to support both of them which is crazy since he does not have a job.
The thing about the nanny, it is a luxury that most people in Hollywood utilize for convenience. There is no reason why two people can not take care of two children alone but he since he can afford one he has one.
July 7th, 2009 at 11:51 pm
Here is a question or a request. It’s about MJ, but I didn’t want it to get lost in the other MJ topics. On a Spanish news station today, the newscaster said that a one of the boys who had accused MJ of molesting him retracted the allegations. Not sure which boy…the one he settled with or the one who lost in court. He said his parents made him lie. I can’t find that news on the internet, so if someone comes across something, will you post a link. I also haven’t seen any of the news media make the same statement.
July 8th, 2009 at 12:09 am
small, the story was about the first boy, now 29. who knows if it’s legit, as no other sites are covering it.
July 8th, 2009 at 12:11 am
i feel a jewish star scroll coming on.
July 8th, 2009 at 1:57 am
Thank you MH. I don’t know if it’s legit either that is why I wanted to find something on the web about it.
Goodnight all
July 8th, 2009 at 11:56 am
ok. Retouched photos or Jewish star? jk
July 8th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,530671,00.html
Just saw this story on Fox News-claims Brit is taking diet pills/red bull to maintain weight says family insider.
July 8th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
Why are the tabloids omitting the love pose between K-Fed and Vicki? Why is X17 ripping on Britney?
Will Camp Spears fire back through OK! that the kids are just as happy with Britney by showing the kids running around with her?
Or is Camp Spears happy with the image that the kids seem happier with K-Fed?
“Ruby, you can ask why about pretty much everything to do with me.”
Cold Mountain
July 8th, 2009 at 12:45 pm
Why the kids are really happy and the nanny:
http://britneysbabies.com/jaydengallery/displayimage.php?album=251&pos=0
http://britneysbabies.com/jaydengallery/displayimage.php?album=251&pos=17
http://britneysbabies.com/jaydengallery/displayimage.php?album=251&pos=1
July 8th, 2009 at 12:47 pm
I’m in moderation for too many links. Here is more of the story of why the kids look so happy? There’s your nanny for you.
http://britneysbabies.com/jaydengallery/thumbnails.php?album=251
July 8th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
I wonder if it’s true that Britney has been lashing out in anger and your link was a cover-up story.
“Britney was definitely trying to get high by taking too many diet pills and energy drinks,” the source told the site. “Jamie thinks the combination of the two is making her whacked-out and, causing her to lash out in weird angry rampages.”
July 8th, 2009 at 12:51 pm
MH. I told you he was trying to get his ciggies back. I didn’t know Vicky smoked.
http://britneysbabies.com/seangallery/displayimage.php?album=372&pos=11
July 8th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/08/britney-spears-sam-lutfi-adnan-ghalib/
July 8th, 2009 at 12:58 pm
love pose. photo op. AM have you become jaded?
July 8th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
some of the opinions of jfxers is just as one-sided or narrow minded as some of the exhalers. it’s funny.
July 8th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
Ronnie? Now would be the time.
July 8th, 2009 at 1:04 pm
no time like the present.
July 8th, 2009 at 1:13 pm
And the plot thickens…
July 8th, 2009 at 1:21 pm
MH. I think you are reading me a bit too literal between pram (common word that you translated into parameters) and pose.
Ronnie? Can you or Linda blog the TMZ story with your own spin? A little help please?
July 8th, 2009 at 1:29 pm
I can’t wait to see where this one goes…
“The enemy of my enemy is my friend.”
July 8th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
AM, earlier you spoke of photo op… so pose fell in line for me. sorry if i read it wrong.
July 8th, 2009 at 1:34 pm
AM, No worries if you have become jaded.
I was jaded when I got here…Maybe you’re just finally catching up to me!
July 8th, 2009 at 1:38 pm
MH. I have a little playful sarcasm. I can’t deny what I see in the pic – romantic physicality. It does not look posed at all. The outing does however look like a photo op to me.
———-
History in the making.
The enemy of my enemy… I wonder if Sam will testify about how Jamie Spears’ team/Kaplan jumped his own vehicle, pinned him in and scared him, for Adnan’s hearing.
July 8th, 2009 at 1:42 pm
steel, i think we’ve all become a little jaded and rightfully so.
July 8th, 2009 at 1:42 pm
http://www.okmagazine.com/2009/07/sam-lutfi-claims-britney-ruined-his-life/
Adnan is reputable character.
July 8th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
it could be a very slippery slope for sam to take the stand. depending on what he says, it could open him up for certain questioning. i don’t think his lawyer would advise it.
July 8th, 2009 at 1:58 pm
from the ok article…
He’s got at least one reputable character on his side, Britney’s sometime boyfriend/paparazzo Adnan Ghalib, who wrote a declaration swearing that Sam wasn’t holding Brit hostage, as Lynne said. Good luck with that, Sam.
—–
Am I reading this right?…AG said in a dec that SL didn’t hold her hostage. Something isn’t right about the article. Some doesn’t feel right. I want to see this dec.
July 8th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
Ian is finally letting loose with his MJ book (timing). When will we see his Britney book?
http://x17online.com/celebrities/michael_jackson/shocking_jackson_tellall_book_to_be_released_claims_he_was_gay-07082009.php
July 8th, 2009 at 2:15 pm
Jaded, cynical I say alas, he settled with Jamie and there will be no book until Britney is free and the terms of the settlement null and void.
July 8th, 2009 at 4:13 pm
MH, Now I get what you mean…
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/07/britney-spears-shows-her-dark-side-eiffel-tower
Hmmm.
July 8th, 2009 at 4:25 pm
X enlarged it.
Ronnie. Silence is golden?
July 8th, 2009 at 4:44 pm
silence is often black.
July 8th, 2009 at 4:45 pm
Hi Adnan,
Hope tomorrow goes well.
July 8th, 2009 at 4:48 pm
Ian was working on his MJ book for something like six years (?)
I’m guessing his BS book will drop at the perfect time…And only Ian will know when that will be.
July 8th, 2009 at 4:50 pm
QB. Can you (will you?)go look at the declaration?
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Adnan. Keep your chin up.
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Fantasy. Where are you? We are talking about jewelry. I kid.
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Doc. There is life in hoisin sauce.
July 8th, 2009 at 5:12 pm
Steel @4:48. Then why won’t he talk about it anymore? His last comment was that he would release the book after Britney had written hers and that was during an online chat.
Ronnie has indicated how intimidating Spears’ lawyers can be. When Anderson was on the witness stand Judge Bobb made mention that she didn’t think the witness could be intimidated by the prosecution’s attorneys and Anderson said, “you have no idea.”
Korn mentioned the presence of another attorney in the courtroom who wanted to be part of an in chambers meeting as to media presence.
That’s me. Jaded and cynical, Ian was paid off. I’m not embarrassed by having become more shrewd or jaded or cynical.
July 8th, 2009 at 5:17 pm
Hi everybody. How’s it going?
Amethyst, I’ve been “Outside” again. Just today.
Yesterday I watched the MJ memorial service. I
cried so much. I was overcome with emotion.
Gotta move forward now.
About the Fox News story, I didn’t want to say
anything earlier but one of the rag mags did a
story that is somewhat similar to what Fox News
is reporting. The headline goes just like this,
“Friends Fear Britney’s Unraveling Again”.
It talked about her multiple outfit changes, all
of the Starbucks runs, shopping, funny faces, and
acting high-strung. Oh, and the sudden change in
her hair color. Those things happened within 1 wk.
This mag found some author/expert and she said
that Britney’s behavior could be “related to
insecurities.” And that she’s showing signs of
being “increasingly emotionally needy.” The story
also goes on to say that a source close to Britney
says that she has stopped taking some of her
medication. There’s more- “Britney tearfully shut
herself into the closet while in her London hotel
room and that her assistant had to coax her out by
promising to buy her tacos which are a no-no on
her diet. Strange statements and hearing voices.”
This was a story from about 2 weeks ago. And like
I told you earlier it’s from a rag mag. I took it
with a grain of salt. So the Fox News story is
interesting to me. Just because Fox has picked
this up still doesn’t make it true. I don’t know
if it’s really is true. Only time will tell.
Now, what’s this about Adnan making a declaration
for Lutfi? Did I read that right? What’s w/ that?
July 8th, 2009 at 5:26 pm
I missed you, Fantasy.
Meanwhile, Google news just dumped two old stories as news. Radaronline: Britney has almost sold her house (slams Sam). Some India pub: Lynne strikes back (slams Sam).
OLD. Should I blame google engineers or …?
Next: Is Britney going back to rehab? Examiner (rag mag)
Are these stories random or a distraction from today’s news and accusations against Lynne?
xo
Cynical, jaded, older, shrewder, wiser, less gullible, calmer…
July 8th, 2009 at 5:41 pm
Just curious. Is there someone from the inside
leaking things about her or are all these stories
coming from the imaginations of a rag mag writer?
If something is wrong who will her camp blame?
Sam, Alli, and Adnan are out. Who’s it gonna be?
Is the Lutfi declaration available anywhere yet?
What shall be expected in court tomorrow w/ A?
July 8th, 2009 at 6:00 pm
UGH!! AAAHHH…. Jordan has done it again!
Everytime there is a story that has something to
do with Sam Lutfi he buries it below a more
sensational story about Britney or the c-ship.
His lead is about Britney and pills or whatever.
And just below that is the Lutfi story. As of
now there are 2 comments on the Lutfi story.
Dang, I understand him being biased as hell.
I know it’s his site and all but shizzzz….
July 8th, 2009 at 6:02 pm
Excuse the Caps and !’s.
July 8th, 2009 at 7:07 pm
Fantasy. Didn’t Jordan have a problem earlier today with missing comments? He reposted some stories.
Meanwhile, he’s buried the Lutfi story anew with the People.com (ack!) and In-touch scans.
Fantasy. Didn’t you figure out that they are blaming diet pills rather than someone? Has someone been a little testy lately? Did Vicky ride over in the plane?
July 8th, 2009 at 7:17 pm
This has nothing to do with Brit, but I just watched that interview on Radar with MJ’s private chef. His comments about MJ’s tour were interesting…He said he wasn’t shocked by his death because of the “pressures” that came with the tour.
“It’s one thing if you’re doing it for the love of it, but another thing if you’re doing it to dig yourself out of debt.”
July 8th, 2009 at 7:20 pm
I saw that too, Steel. How many days/weeks had he been employed with MJ? Why were there so many new people around especially a chef that MJ couldn’t reach a financial arrangement with to travel to Europe?
July 8th, 2009 at 7:35 pm
If it’s true about the pills the next question
will be who gave them to her.
In the MJ case it’s pretty safe to say that he
was given something, but by whom?
It isn’t just the what it’s also the who.
July 8th, 2009 at 7:42 pm
I’m not sure about the chef, but I did think his quote kinda related to Brit. She’s played over 40 shows by now already…And some might say she’s not doing this tour for the “love” of performing, but to either dig herself out of debt or to (at the very least) re-fill the coffers.
So if she’s going off the rails a bit, I would think it’s understandable. Imagine the pressure!
July 8th, 2009 at 9:03 pm
Steel. “…but to either dig herself out of debt or…”
To see her kids. To do what she is told. To live a little outside of 8 by 5 p.m. at home with Dad.
Who knows. WEG didn’t seem to think she had a choice, did he? She got coached into it?
I don’t believe the story about diet pills and adding extra energy drinks to Red Bull (an energy drink).
Some of you do?
July 8th, 2009 at 9:03 pm
For all I know she thought touring was her way out of c-ship.
July 8th, 2009 at 9:14 pm
AM, what’s the status on your article?
July 8th, 2009 at 9:17 pm
I’m guessing it’s both:
- she thought touring was her way out of c-ship.
- To see her kids. To do what she is told.
…Because she was told she needed to re-fill the coffers? And to get back to work, to prove she was, a) capable of getting OUT of the C-Ship, and b) capable of being a primary caregiver so that she could eventually win back custody.
I don’t know. I always thought it was a money thing first and foremost. And that access to the kids was just being used for leverage/motivation to get her to do it.
Remember who makes the most money off of all of this…Britney…AEG…and LARRY.
July 8th, 2009 at 9:54 pm
“Shady Sam has also managed to drag Brit’s former BF Adnan Ghalib into his suit, like the ex-pap doesn’t have enough trouble already. Lutfi says he has a declaration from Ghalib refuting Lynne’s statement that Sam was holding Britney hostage. Maybe poor Adnan is the last person still speaking to him.
JFX has photos of Sam and Britney together, but nobody really wants to look at his ugly mug anyway. Wouldn’t you rather see Brit in a clingy top?”
home
July 8th, 2009 at 9:55 pm
If you guys missed Larry King tonight try to catch him later for undiluted, uninterpreted interview with Dr. Kline.
July 8th, 2009 at 10:00 pm
Steel. I agree with you on money just I wonder who was the driving force and I don’t think it was Britney.
“I make all the business decisions.” Jamie Spears, October 16, 2008 Van Nuys Courthouse, California
July 8th, 2009 at 10:08 pm
AM, I agree on Jamie being the driving force. But I’m thinkin’ that Larry is probably standing directly behind him, urging him to make these decisions.
To me, it was smart of them to re-fill the coffers. I just wish they’d have waited until she was OUT of the C-Ship before taking on such a high-pressure affair.
July 8th, 2009 at 11:14 pm
I really don’t think it was a good idea for Adnan to make a declaration on behalf of Sam. Jamie has been trying to link Adnan with Sam and now he has proof that Adnan supports Sam to an extent.
I really wish I could see the actual declaration because sometimes the media like to sensationalize a particular document. I do not know why Adnan would help Sam since Sam did eveything to keep he and Brit apart.
Lynne said that Adnan told her that Sam would often hide Brit’s dog and she would freak out and then he would retrieve the pet from its hiding place to act like the hero. Adnan never came out and refuted that statement. I support Adnan but his declaration on behalf of Sam raises a lot of questions.
Back to the tour, obviously Jamie and Co. wanted to build up Brit’s bank account with the tour and Brit went along with the program.
July 8th, 2009 at 11:27 pm
SM, I agree. I also wish Flanagan had asked him what other decisions he makes.
You are right about Larry too. Fantasy brought up his old management partner which got me to look back in the past. The idea was to build a brand or packaging around a star.
We are amazed by Radar? Were you, Steel?
Fantasy. I am thinking that people on exhale (not all of them) don’t believe anything unless they read it in writing. I also think you believe some things you read that are in writing, because they are in writing.
I am not knocking you but surprised you’d put any credence into diet pills.
I am just thinking here….
Article, MH? I never was sold on the journalistic blog thing (except it was an option for the summer .. and something my prof thinks could work) but thought it might work… in a month or so I will have to put out a blog every two weeks if not every week. I hated the idea of taking something serious and diluting it (changing the brand) into something… I could do some of what I do here and then it would be in writing or in print, remembering that some people don’t believe anything unless it is in some article whether it’s drama Betty or other.
I haven’t figured out a solution yet and am ambivalent. Let’s see what happens tomorrow. I don’t know. ok?
Am I reading JFX right tonight? Last time they wrote about Lutfi they said he threw Adnan under a bus. Of course they were also quoting TMZ and their remarkable glimpse of Sam’s declaration.
QB. You live in L.A. and presumably know your way around the courthouse. I don’t know what parking costs but could, would you nose around?
Steel? There’s something that makes my blood boil when it comes to “I make all the business decisions.” Flanagan was leading up to what?
What difference did it make if Jamie was making all the business decisions?
Q: And you’re her primary caretaker now?
A: Correct.
Q: And how is she doing?
A: Doing good.
Mr. Amerian: Objection. Relevance.
The court: Overruled. Go ahead.
Q: Are you familiar with Ms. Spears’ assets?
A: Yes, sir, I am.
Q: Where is her home?
Mr. Amerian: Objection. Vague.
The witness: (no no right QB? should have waited for the judge’s rule but it happens) Her home is in Louisiana.
Court: Well I am going to sustain the objection. It’s vague. ou’ll have to be a little more specific on the question. The jury will disregard the answer to the question.
At some point Flanagan was supposed to prove that Britney had a valid LA driver’s license. Anyway, I guess Jamie would have known, in terms of making all the business decisions, whether Britney had a CA home exemption or not.
I don’t care. I’m jaded. I hate the words, I make all the business decisions. There’s pride in it?
July 8th, 2009 at 11:33 pm
Ownership? Man to man? I wonder how many decisions Lynne and Larry made without him.
July 8th, 2009 at 11:51 pm
Was I amazed by Radar? Hardly.
I thought it was a pretty shiddy music video. Radar is my favourite song off of Blackout, so I had huge expectations. And I thought the video itself was like eating pablum.
Brit’s videos used to be…I don’t want to say “cutting edge,” or “groundbreaking” because they weren’t (not in the sens of an MJ video at least). But they were always…iconic?
But the Radar video has no bite to it. There are no memorable moments to it. It’s just one image dissolving into another. To me, the video doesn’t fit the song at all. It doesn’t say anything. It’s like one big extended Candies commercial…literally.
So, so, so disappointing.
I had the same feeling towards the If You Seek Amy video. I just didn’t dig it whatsoever. It was just her flopping around on a bed, posing. I realize what they were trying to “say” with the video, but it was really poorly executed. I mean, I GET IT, she’s sexy! Wowy wow wow wow. Tell me something I don’t know.
I just got the feeling with both that all the good footage ended up on the cutting room floor?? Like there’s something missing?? Maybe like her sense of fun, or her sense of humour? Or just a sense that she’s “there” and not just posing for the camera?
Sorry…I don’t mean to be negative. It’s just my POV.
July 9th, 2009 at 12:03 am
I appreciate your POV, thorn in my side or other.
You didn’t get that the whole thing was a commercial for Candies? That the fans and the artist were put aside for the revenue?
I was sick the other day. Dave Meyers. He shot the video. He shot the television commercial. That fuzzy vest look familiar to you? It’s in the damn catalog and while we are being negative, (ok, maybe speaking for my self) I hate that Candie’s top filmed under the vest on the same day. It’s the same one from the pink bales of hay.
How about the infomercial of loving Candie’s, my sister Jamie Lynn loves Candies, and Lynne does too? As if. Wholesome. Family.
And that black dress? Now you know there was something way more sexy going on, “Even when you’re up against the wall” fashion but that was all cut.
Anyway, that’s why I was asking the other day about Britney and videos. Yes, Steel, even I know they were HOT.
I don’t know what to think about If you seek Amy. Wasn’t Womanizer one of the most expensive of the year if not of … Filming Radar was cheap but what concerns me the most or makes me the maddest is the business end of the deal and the sacrifice of fans.
There are a few on exhale barely talking about it but I don’t think they’d believe anything unless it was printed, gossip Betty or otherwise. It seems the few people who speak are ignored and I don’t mean me.
Is it so crushing or horrible to acknowledge that life under Jamie means commercial RADAR and lack of caring a shid about fans? You know how they are. It isn’t just entertainment in a video it’s triumph.
July 9th, 2009 at 12:06 am
Past tense. The videos used to be hot. There wasn’t alot of dancing in Womanizer come to think of it.
There certainly was in Mannequin which never went commercial that I know. It was like demo to entice. Circus is interesting but none of us missed the product placement opportunity in the leak.
Don’t get me wrong. Bulgari was hot but please. MJ never did product placement in his videos. They aren’t even the same person but the degradation of an art form and expression can’t be missed.
July 9th, 2009 at 12:13 am
I totally forgot about the Womanizer video. But I liked it much better (not because of the naked sauna stuff, which I thought was unnecessary) but because I usually like Joseph Kahn videos. They’re always just a lot of fun.
And I liked the Circus video, because she showed a bit of personality in it as well. But the last two have been pretty void of personality. IMO.
July 9th, 2009 at 2:46 am
what’s up with the j’s post today.
something just doesn’t feel right.
i’ll be in LA next week and will read the declaration.
j’s “free britney campaign” (their words, not mine) is basically nonexistent, in public anyway. the posts don’t really show much, the shirts never came to pass.
the site makeover never happened either. not that i care about it being madeover. just pointing it out things that were said to be happening that never did. FBC, shirts, site.
i understand if they are “backing off” to protect the biz and all.
something doesn’t feel right.
July 9th, 2009 at 2:56 am
Amethyst Mine Says: July 8th, 2009 at 11:27 pm
Article, MH? I never was sold on the journalistic blog thing (except it was an option for the summer .. and something my prof thinks could work) but thought it might work… in a month or so I will have to put out a blog every two weeks if not every week. I hated the idea of taking something serious and diluting it (changing the brand) into something… I could do some of what I do here and then it would be in writing or in print, remembering that some people don’t believe anything unless it is in some article whether it’s drama Betty or other.
I haven’t figured out a solution yet and am ambivalent. Let’s see what happens tomorrow. I don’t know. ok?
———
sounds like backtracking.
You’ve changed your thoughts/plans on this so many times I really don’t know what you’re doing and it sounds like you don’t either.
July 9th, 2009 at 10:12 am
MH Says:
July 9th, 2009 at 2:46 am
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
To be honest, I expected some of the threads to have been removed a long time ago. Or the existing site to be replaced with an entirely new one.
Something hasn’t felt right for a while now.
July 9th, 2009 at 11:56 am
MH. I haven’t hidden a lack of confidence: it would have been helpful to have had a nod from Ronnie. That too has been the “something hasn’t felt right for a while now.”
July 9th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
Serious. What was the risk in nodding yes that might help, thanks for your thought, or no, that would be meddling, we have a plan, let it be.
MT was the wind under my sails. I can self-argue it but I am most driven when doing something for someone else and in particular, being a voice for the voiceless and that’s not something I picked up last semester. It was a career.
I hate ambivalence. I hate being half-way on a leash even if it is self-imposed. I hate iffiness yet here I am.
July 9th, 2009 at 12:13 pm
According to the case summary no documents were filed yesterday. They might show up tomorrow but they should have showed up today.
July 9th, 2009 at 12:51 pm
Doc spoke of a division (among posters)…not his exact words, don’t remember all he said. so very often when he, or she or whatever, who knows, spoke it was to be paid attention too, i think so anyway. i took it as something may come out that would divide/change posters opinions/sides/views etc. doc, mt and j have all changed over time. something has been off here at the site for a while. but something just doesn’t feel right about this declaration thing and yesterdays post… among other things.
July 9th, 2009 at 1:08 pm
Hearing was scheduled for 8:30 a.m. according to public affairs. It should end any time but who knows.
July 9th, 2009 at 1:13 pm
The declaration does seem strange. That is why I won’t believe it until I see it. It does exist right? Or no?
In going back to Lynne’s statement when she got a restraining order for Sam, did Adnan ever confirm anywhere that what Lynne said was true? I just assumed it was, but now I’m wondering…
Adnan I wish you the best today.
July 9th, 2009 at 2:31 pm
I seem to remember that MT was pretty hot at someone who wouldn’t consider the kind of news yesterday brought. There were divisions that day (Jan 30?)but I think Doc’s note came later.
July 9th, 2009 at 2:32 pm
For Steel.
‘Many businesses say they prefer to advertise on celebrity sites with an upbeat tone, regardless of how much traffic a snark piece can generate.
This phenomenon may serve to explain a surprising recent announcement by Hilton, in which the self-proclaimed creator of “Hollywood’s most hated Web site” said through a spokesman that he will tone down the snark in hopes of attracting more advertising.’
http://www.hispanicbusiness.com/technology/2009/7/6/yahoos_omg_quietlyand_politelyeclipses_tmz_perez.htm
July 9th, 2009 at 2:39 pm
If the media, including JFX, doesn’t report it could be as long as tomorrow before we hear anything. It depends on how busy they are at the courthouse.
July 9th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
Question.
Doc and MT. Do/did they know one another?
Just reading again. Early on I believe that I
asked who is MT and how he knows things before
they happen. Like Nostradamus in a lot of ways.
I read some “word on the streets..” or “the
grapevine” remarks. So does anyone know what the
word on the street now is?
A lot has been said here.
Maybe all has already been told?
No need to become a broken record?
I’m only thinking out loud. Not really expecting
any answers. TTYL.
July 9th, 2009 at 3:37 pm
Fantasy. Good to hear your voice. lol I always feel better about seeking the truth and making calls.
Whether MT and Doc know each other, as in hanging out together, who knows. What I do know is that a few months back, Doc experienced a fluke from his phone and could see all of our email addresses. She was then able to figure out who she thought MT was.
I feel a little bad for her as pursuing the identity of MT seemed to drive her. I’m sure she has and had mixed feelings.
I’ve always had fun imagining MT in various disguises. My favorites are when he goes to the local pub for a beer or to catch a game.
July 9th, 2009 at 3:47 pm
Spock: After a time, you may find that having is not so pleasing a thing, after all, as wanting. It is not logical, but it is often true.
AM = geek
July 9th, 2009 at 3:55 pm
Update: It may have been calendar’d for 8:30 a.m. but right now the system is showing that it will be heard at 1:20 p.m.
I will try to find out whether it will be continued, heard, etc. Right now the courtrooms are closed and everyone is out to lunch.
July 9th, 2009 at 3:59 pm
Meanwhile, just reviewing. There were phone calls from the Nokia cell to two phones associated with Lutfi.
The binder in evidence is just phone numbers not text messages.
The key word of the whole TRO trial was ‘alleged.’
I am looking for the part where Freedman said he might call Adnan as a witness.
July 9th, 2009 at 4:01 pm
how would anyone be able to see screen names come up as email addresses….
-being in the jfx offices looking at a computer screen.
-hacking into the program.
…any other ways?
July 9th, 2009 at 4:02 pm
does any of it really matter….
July 9th, 2009 at 4:04 pm
Doc constantly asked…who is MT?
July 9th, 2009 at 4:07 pm
I’m pretty sure I know who Doc is…and no not from his/her myspace page.
If I’m right then I know where his/her “info” comes from.
Ronnie any thoughts?
July 9th, 2009 at 4:09 pm
Doc did not hack into the system. It was a fluke on her Ipod or similar system. She thought maybe her own phone was hacked. It was shortly after the felony charges were filed.
In my own paranoid and creative mind I figured the Israeli intelligence could and would have hacked the system for intel. It’s no mystery that JFX is silent.
This is Hollywood afterall. Why not.
July 9th, 2009 at 4:12 pm
Doc posted here. He said he could see the address. Do you remember? He warned MT in a be careful sort of way.
Doc. He/she. The one who still squats on Father’s day.
July 9th, 2009 at 4:14 pm
i never thought doc hacked anything. just asking what would have to happen for someone to see beyond screen names.
yes, no mystery.
July 9th, 2009 at 4:15 pm
lol yes, squats.
July 9th, 2009 at 4:42 pm
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=sv&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dn.se%2Fkultur-noje%2Fmusik%2Fbojkott-av-britney-spears-1.908112
bs boycott
July 9th, 2009 at 4:56 pm
Not sure who Doc is…Never really thought about that one too much.
I don’t know if Doc and MT know each other personally, though I’m pretty sure both know AG personally. And I’m pretty sure they were divided on a couple of things.
Doc said there would be divisions, and (to me) it’s pretty clear why he said that.
It all comes down to your comfort level with certain…things. I came into this already comfortable with those…things…I think…so I’m not really shocked by it. I’m just waiting to see where things go from here.
July 9th, 2009 at 5:11 pm
Comfort level with certain things, St.Mag.
For example?
July 9th, 2009 at 5:22 pm
…For what’s about to hit the news.
Maybe.
Possibly.
That’s if I’ve been paying proper attention. And maybe I wasn’t. So don’t quote me on it.
July 9th, 2009 at 5:26 pm
Let’s just say, it could very well be impossible to be Team Britnan. Because I think it might be more of an either/or situation.
And it might even be impossible to be Team Adnan, if you’re not comfortable with some other…things.
July 9th, 2009 at 5:30 pm
“According to the source, the contract vendors must sign is “very detailed.”
quote:
- “No pictures from the concert can be published after 30 days.
- No pictures can be sold forward, that pictures that the organizer sees as offensive to the artist can not be published.
- And that Spears gets the ownership to the pictures that they like.”
http://www.breatheheavy.com/index.php?subaction=showfull&id=1247170746&archive=&start_from=&ucat=&
Sound familiar, JFX?
July 9th, 2009 at 5:34 pm
Nice one, JM. LOL.
July 9th, 2009 at 5:47 pm
playbackt
July 9th, 2009 at 5:49 pm
St.Mag., are you holding something back or in?
Team Britnan does not exist (anymore). Not to me.
A splitting of the teams such as Team A/Team B
isn’t such a major thing to me either.
I’ve supported Britney for so long. I can’t see
myself quitting on her.
I’m supporting Adnan because he came across as a
decent person in the ET interviews and 20/20.
I don’t think that he’s a horrible guy.
Outside of the Q&A here at JFX he’s been quiet.
Whatever the reason behind that is, I don’t know.
I don’t totally get what you’re getting at but I
don’t think that I’ll be affected by what’s about
to hit the news.
Question.
St.Mag., what’s about to hit the news?
Maybe. Possibly.
July 9th, 2009 at 5:51 pm
lip-scribbled? LOL
July 9th, 2009 at 5:58 pm
[I am sorry. You guys are being all serious while I am reading Dutch translations whilst waiting and hoping for a phone call.
Fantasy. Is there any other time Britney carries a whip? http://www.nieuwsblad.be/Article/Detail.aspx?ArticleID=DMF09072009_083
I love it. That's not the airline smile.
you can translate it from Dutch to English -- it is a great photo though that I have never seen.]
Steel. Are we talking white horses again? I was so ticked off at you and MT that day and lo and behold you had the sac to think of it and continue on.
Meanwhile, JM has an old vid up of Jamie. It’s classic.
July 9th, 2009 at 5:59 pm
One of my friends had some awesome tickets to the MJ memorial. She just posted the pics on her Facebook.
One is a photo of airplanes writing MJ’s initials in the sky above the Staples Center, with a big heart around them.
Another is a photo of her walking out beside Ice Cube. Or at least what looks to be the side of Cube’s head. LOL
Pretty cool pics.
July 9th, 2009 at 6:03 pm
I wasn’t the one that came up with the “white horse” line. That’s for sure.
July 9th, 2009 at 6:08 pm
I just watched the video “…At The Summit.”
Ain’t he sweet?!
My goodness.
July 9th, 2009 at 6:12 pm
I hate to do this, white horses and all, but does Britney usually give the middle finger during POM?
http://www.deredactie.be/cm/vrtnieuws/cultuur+en+media/muziek/090709BritneySportpaleis
July 9th, 2009 at 6:13 pm
Once more and then I’ll withdraw the question.
Whatever is about to hit the news is it good news
or bad news? Good for B or bad for B. Good for A
or bad for A? I’m sorry for quoting you, St.Mag.
Especially when you asked not to be quoted.
July 9th, 2009 at 6:20 pm
I just never saw her do it during the Circus performance.
July 9th, 2009 at 6:35 pm
Steel. I could have sworn it was you coming back with the white horse. I’m sure of it. MT LOVED it.
LOL I thought it was well written but still taken aback.
I am less so now. Jan 30 changed everything and then February.
July 9th, 2009 at 6:39 pm
Only the headline is new but
http://www.monstersandcritics.com/people/news/article_1488764.php/Adnan_Ghalib_and_Sam_Lutfi_join_forces_to_fight_Spears_clan
July 9th, 2009 at 6:47 pm
Fantasy, no body here knows for sure what if anything is gonna happen. just sit back and enjoy the ride.
July 9th, 2009 at 6:49 pm
actually, i should not speak for the rest…although i think i’m right.
July 9th, 2009 at 6:55 pm
This is more for my usage. I wanted to further
understand what exactly it is.
http://www.lectlaw.com/def/d106.htm
I’m not sure if it’s a fact or not but speaking
hypothetically, if Adnan signed a confidentiality
agreement and if it’s true that he gave a
written declaration and signed it would that in
any way be considered a violation of the conf.
agr.? I’m trying to write carefully because I
don’t want to say something that isn’t true.
That’s why I said “I’m not sure and if it’s true.”
I’m just curious about it. Really that’s all.
July 9th, 2009 at 6:58 pm
Okay, MH. I’ll chill. I’m really curious today.
July 9th, 2009 at 7:12 pm
Damn. Ronnie beat me to it.
July 9th, 2009 at 7:14 pm
Ronnie. Why are you and Linda misleading people? Today was still officially the preliminary hearing.
Next court date is July 23, 2009. Appearances will be made, calendars set, discovery will be discussed.
July 9th, 2009 at 7:15 pm
Ronnie. Even the AP said it was a preliminary.
Also you are missing some print.
Today Adnan was “held to answer” but things could happen before July 23rd including a plea bargan; doubtful but who knows.
yeh yeh I know you are celebrity bloggers and aren’t held to tell fine print.
July 9th, 2009 at 7:22 pm
New judge: Judge Speer. (stet)
Reason for new judge: different judges handle different things — HENCE I reiterate that today was prelim.
Goodness sake.
July 9th, 2009 at 7:35 pm
More curiousity.
Is this the same person? I mean Jdg. Speer.
October 26, 2007
Second paragraph
http://www.efluxmedia.com/news_Britneys_Driving_Record_Almost_Cleared_09995.html
July 9th, 2009 at 7:42 pm
Little Question.
Is it curiosity or curiousity?
My dictionary says it’s the 1st one.
Who’s right me or Webster’s? lol
July 9th, 2009 at 7:48 pm
Hey, AM. It’s been changed. I mean corrected.
Check out the re-write on the 1st page.
Good going, girl.
July 9th, 2009 at 7:57 pm
Good find, Fantasy. I hope to know soon. Do you think it’s kind of f’d if it is or do you believe in impartiality with this judge?
I somehow think I would know right now if someone were paying me, i.e. I had a brand with accountability, escalation and bosses etc.
I am not whining. I’m just saying. MH. You ask about an article? What clout does a college student have especially one enrolled at a community college? Mind you I have my B.A. plus 21 grad credits but they ask where you are from, whose paying you.
‘No one. I’m a student.’
“I’ll have to take a message.”
Iffiness but with Mark I could do anything. He was the most silenced of us all and that was motivating not to mention he wanted us to know things. Doc said, I guess this (JFX) is the only way you can speak.
Questions for media relations. Was Moskowitz the only one to testify today? Were other lawyers present and if so, who were they? What evidence was presented today? What is the justification for Edam Yemini in the CRO?
July 9th, 2009 at 8:03 pm
Thanks, Fantasy. Here I was bitching and you say good going girl.
Well they almost had it right. Today was the final step in the preliminary hearing.
To be fair, I doubt J covers many criminal court cases and all the steps there in plus they haven’t been acting as reporters but rather celebrity bloggers.
You and I have been learning every step of the way. I even found a chapter in my ding dang textbook on hearings.
The public affairs office is very precise hence they were quite clear about the 23rd and anything that might happen in between.
If anyone is following the case in depth it’s Dept. V., Van Nuys. You have to have that for research.
MH. Could you also please look at Sam’s declaration for the TROs where he “sold Adnan under the bus”?
July 9th, 2009 at 8:05 pm
LOL. No more new info for today. Here I am whining or discrediting my student status and I get a call back from someone on their way home from the dentist office.
I am willing to bet I handled it alot nice than TMZ but then no one is going to bust my chops over this and I am not getting commission based on words I write.
July 9th, 2009 at 8:14 pm
Thank you, JFX.
July 9th, 2009 at 8:16 pm
Well, to me it almost always seems that judges
swing in the direction of the prosecution.
I’m talking about real life now.
I have my doubts about judges being impartial.
I feel like they go along with the process and
they do let the jury decide. That’s the law.
But if a jury convicts someone the can be very
much by the book. They can be hard asses or just
dumb. Depends on the case and the judge.
I’ve seen cases where murders are acquitted by a
jury. I’ve seen cases where a jury convicts a
defendant and the judge throws the book at the
defendant when sentencing them. Also the judge
sometimes goes light on the defendant when
sentencing. It all depends. So I really can’t
say if this jdg. will be “better”, you know.
I don’t know what happened to Jdg. Dunn.
Speer or Dunn? I don’t know who’s better or worse.
Are female jdgs. tougher than male jdgs? idk
I’m looking to jury selection. Hopefully the jury
will be culturally diverse. And female. Under 45.
Just guessing there. I don’t know. We’ll see.
July 9th, 2009 at 8:25 pm
Why do I always feel better when you are here, Fantasy? Well most of the time anyway but I think anything uncomfortable (extradition without fact for example) is long gone.
Who is Jdg. Dunn?
You were right about Hon. Susan. I wouldn’t bother with the link, just it confirms she’s Dept. V.
http://da.co.la.ca.us/mr/031209b.htm
I wonder what you would think about the Hon. Bobb?
She was pissed at Freedman any number of times, “Please do not pretend the court was born yesterday” and I think that was a mild one.
The judge (not Speer) plays a more interesting role than I knew before. The judge can say, “The court is not interested in hearing that” and can restrict and guide how the court session goes. She/he can determine arbitrarily whether she will allow camera, notepads, laptops.
She/he sustains, disallows, argues law, etc. Pretty important. I hope that she is fair.
Fantasy. I really don’t know if a panel of women is going to help. Of those who read tabloids, 80% are women and if that is so, then 100% of what they read is that Adnan is a bad person.
July 9th, 2009 at 8:32 pm
The judge also decides what he/she will allow into evidence.
On TV and the movies they seem to play a lesser role. Objection, sustained, overruled and every now and then some character.
I hope that Speer is fair, strong, and sees through others’ agendas. I really want to know tomorrow what other attorneys were present today, who aren’t directly related to defense or prosecution.
Britney’s paying for it all you know if there is an attorney in there like that. What are they hovering around for?
July 9th, 2009 at 8:34 pm
Hey all? (and Fantasy, thank you for bringing that to my attn, as to the updated article)
We know that someone is still listening and cares about what we say.
July 9th, 2009 at 8:49 pm
Jdg. Leslie Dunn was the judge presiding during
the time Radar Online had the video up. I think
that was in early May.
I can’t wait to find out Edan’s connection to
this case. I have my own thoughts on him.
I’ll keep it to myself.
Hmm…Jdg.Bobb. Wasn’t she supposed to retire?
Let’s see if the new info on Adnan’s case gets
buried on BH like the Lutfi story was. Uhh, as if.
July 9th, 2009 at 8:52 pm
If you didn’t catch on the little “uhh, as if”
line at the end of my last post comes from the
movie Clueless. Classic! I’m outie. TTYL
July 9th, 2009 at 8:56 pm
Fantasy. ack! I was looking at the wrong transcript.
I apologize. Yes yes sisisi, amiga, Hon. Leslie A. Dunn, Judge.
I am so sorry por favore.
Curious. I believe that is correct spelling.
July 9th, 2009 at 11:08 pm
QB. Isn’t TMZ misusing the term arraignment?
And now it’s going across the world.
The arraignment was May 4, yes?
July 10th, 2009 at 12:05 am
civil on the 22nd, criminal on the 23rd…sucks.
July 10th, 2009 at 12:27 am
LMAO
http://dlisted.com/node/32888
July 10th, 2009 at 12:33 am
http://www.nationalenquirer.com/bitney_spears_collapses_from_secet_health_problems/celebrity/66936
July 10th, 2009 at 1:09 am
don’t hate on me for posting this…just thought it was powerful with the music and all…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vfg7yZsSVs&NR=1
July 10th, 2009 at 1:34 am
MH. I’ll wait for a minute on vid.
Anyone catch Nancy Grace tonight in context to MJ? My. Britney is poster child for abused drugs. Nancy has deigned that Britney was committed, why wasn’t Michael?
It’s a sad day for news and news anchors.
July 10th, 2009 at 1:47 am
Team Adnan or Team Britney? Can you be both? And does a Team Britney really exist? Or is it Team Jamie Spears? Like fantasy, I want to know what the news will be…good or bad? Is the news Sam and Adnan are joining forces?
I was gone almost all day and I am completely lost.
I remember Doc saying she could see email addresses…so she could see mine? How did that happen? Scary stuff.
July 10th, 2009 at 1:49 am
AM, I saw that. She is the poster child. Nancy said “her father is now in control of her estate”. She didn’t say over her as well.
July 10th, 2009 at 2:12 am
small, I kept waiting for you. Do you know half the crap I post as links are for you? I figure you never have enough time. I picture you with kids.
Thank you for validating Britney as poster child. I heard the same thing but it’s good to hear someone else heard it too.
MH. Why would any of us be mad at your for the youtube link. It’s beautiful. Something like MT might do. Don’t you ever wonder that his videos disappeared?
MT. I miss you.
July 10th, 2009 at 2:15 am
He doesnt miss u.
Trust.
(=
July 10th, 2009 at 2:16 am
I mean that it is artistic and makes a point, not necessarily for the better under c-ship.
July 10th, 2009 at 2:19 am
I’m Sorry AM.
That was mean. And honestly, when I say mean things, especially to you, I’m just joking.
I’m a really funny “guy”
July 10th, 2009 at 2:24 am
yeh right squatter. We know your truth.
July 10th, 2009 at 2:29 am
YOU CAN’T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!
July 10th, 2009 at 2:33 am
Seriously AM, you are farther from my truth than you are the nearest whiff of fresh air.
Are you seriously mad at me because I hinted to you not having a life? I’m sorry. While you are indeed a fab writer, there is more to life than writing at home – that’s all I was sayin’
I’m only around a few times a week now, I’m traveling the rest of the time.
AG kinda keeps his distance from peeps now.
You may never hear from MT again.
I’m wearing pink panties today.
(inhale, exhale)
July 10th, 2009 at 2:44 am
Hi Doc.
I don’t have kids AM
but I did mention months ago that in real life I was dealing with some family stuff. I don’t know if I ever mentioned it had to do with family courts and custody stuff. Let’s just say the system needs work…hopefully in a few months I can contribute more to the convo. That’s my excuse for making drive-by posts lol.
I will click the links more often. I am trying to avoid Britney stuff for some reason. I never feel like I’m really seeing her. I don’t know how to explain it. But I will click more often. Good night for now.
Not sure if I can stop by tomorrow, but I will on the weekend…after I go shopping and stuff
July 10th, 2009 at 2:49 am
Ok!
Caught up on the last 3 days posts… I feel anything older than that is irrelevant at this point!
Very good obs MH – Yes! I did speak of division. And here we have it! Golly Gee I’d love to dig into this more – but I’d rather make it interesting.
So, I’ll say this once again, who is MT? think about all he’s said and done – it may have been a mere sentence, a mere intro … – More importantly, why is MT’s alias not used anymore HERE to for US to be his voice? What happened? Why doesn’t he need us anymore? TOTALLY surprised you sleuths haven’t solved that one yet. That is the origin.
Ronnie’s busy.
July 10th, 2009 at 3:03 am
Small…you spoke of scary stuff.
Yours starts with an “a” and ends with a “z”…
(=
July 10th, 2009 at 3:09 am
No AM, stop with the misinfo – its the dashboard on my phone, not ipod or hack related. The glitch that is. I said it many months ago, for once told the truth, and it was ignored. So ah well, whatever,
“oooohhh It my ain’t my fault”…- Master P
p.s. – I need a new gF, the one I have is quite boring in bed
zzzzzzzzzzzz
July 10th, 2009 at 3:40 am
Britney Spears Price of Fame True Hollywood Story
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aJIFcqqc3w&NR=1
Part 1 of 15
I just watch all 15 vids and my ass hurts. Need a better computer chair.
Part 9 Re: Sam
Parts 10, 11 and 13 Re: Adnan
I didn’t agree with all of the opinions, but I found much of it to be dead on.
July 10th, 2009 at 4:59 am
I just got this email from a friend in Georgia. Wow. Amazing. Sad, but very nice. Yay for all those people.
———
Please do not forget……
Please watch this Video and turn your volume up.
Killed in action the week before, the body of Staff Sergeant First Class John C. Beale was returned to Falcon Field in Peachtree City, Georgia, just south of Atlanta, on June 11, 2009.
The Henry County Police Department escorted the
procession to the funeral home in McDonough, Georgia. A simple notice in local papers indicated the road route to be taken and the
approximate time.
Nowadays one can be led to believe that America no longer respects honor and no longer honors sacrifice outside the military. Be it known that there are many places in this land where people still recognize the courage and impact of total self-sacrifice. Georgia remains one of those graceful places. The link below is a short travelogue of that day’s remarkable and painful
journey. But only watch this if you wish to have some of your faith in people restored.
Please share widely.
http://blip.tv/play/AYGJ5h6YgmE
————
ok…i’ve been sitting in this chair far too long and my ass really hurts now. later peeps.
July 10th, 2009 at 11:06 am
Doc, I figured it out a LOOOOOOOOOOONG time ago. I think.
But what’s the point in blurting it out? It’s not going to help anybody. Is it?
July 10th, 2009 at 11:08 am
I got told a while back that I “like to run my mouth.” Never figured out what it was in reference to, but I’m guessing that’s it.
???
July 10th, 2009 at 11:21 am
# MH Says:
July 10th, 2009 at 12:33 am
http://www.nationalenquirer.com/bitney_spears_collapses_from_secet_health_problems/celebrity/66936
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
It’s called hypogylcemia. I’ve got it. It’s no big deal if you manage it right. I just try to carry granola bars with me at all times in case my blood sugar dips.
And yeah, it can cause anxiety and MAJOR mood swings. As in, axe murderering, knife-wielding mood swings. But a swig of Coke or a spoonful of peanut butter can make it disappear in seconds.
Imaging if THAT was Brit’s problem all along…Unmanaged blood sugar? It would actually explain a LOT…Maybe not everything, but a lot.
July 10th, 2009 at 11:30 am
MH Says:
July 10th, 2009 at 1:09 am
don’t hate on me for posting this…just thought it was powerful with the music and all…
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
That was powerful. I love that kind of stuff.
July 10th, 2009 at 1:06 pm
Dear dear Doc. Of course I am not mad at you. I should have put a smiley face with my note but logged off.
You know I am insecure with writing from my house as you put it, but I’ve actually got it good. From good I can get better. If I had to do it over again though I would never have worked from my house full-time. At the time it was an honor and privilege to live anywhere and do my thing. It’s just I don’t like it. I am happiest amongst the people and I chide myself regularly that this is no life.
And you know this. Sure I have friends but it’s not enough. I quite agree. I am not living to my potential. I am grateful and appreciative but unfulfilled.
The grass is always greener and while I understand the envy by some who would love to work from home or have more than $32 in their bank account, it kind of sucks.
But you know this vulnerability. You’re catching me at an inconvenient time as I wiggle against ropes while you are prone and amble through business. Love is not enough though you and I both have it, zzzzz in bed or not.
I am not mad at you. A toast with affection,
AM
Back to the story.
July 10th, 2009 at 2:14 pm
MH. You are the queen of the links. Thank you!
July 10th, 2009 at 2:38 pm
I hope I didn’t make anyone too uncomfortable with such a personal note to Doc. I don’t have exactly an email relationship with her. I care for her.
As to MT. ok. I suspected but .. Doc. Is it that MT won’t use us for his voice now or that he can’t risk it anymore?
Small. I love your drive-by posts but I won’t picture you anymore sneaking computer time when the kids are finally put to bed or taking a nap.
As you don’t often click on the links I will tell you one of the phrases I heard from what MH put up. Adnan was considered the guardian angel of the paparazzi toward Britney.
Meanwhile, I’m waiting for a call. I don’t expect to hear anything until this afternoon. I hope it goes smoothly because I’ll probably be contacting her again, July 23rd. Not to pat myself on the back but I think I was able to get yesterday’s info so fast based on a new relationship. How very nice of this person to call her contact to get news of the hearing for me.
She asked me again who I was with. No one. “You’re doing all of this for fun?”
um, not quite.
July 10th, 2009 at 2:56 pm
Typo.
Should be “imagine” not “imaging.” Oops.
It’s weird how that stuff only pops out at you a couple of hours after you post.
July 10th, 2009 at 2:57 pm
It didn’t hurt to ask but the only new information I learned was that at this stage there is a new charging document called an Information — that is what the arraingment is for. So Adnan will have to make his plea anew against the new charging document.
The person I talked, Sandy Gibbons, has 30 years of reporting experience but she has never had a passion for a story like this. “I think that’s weird.” Yeh, well imagine being me Sandy, having people ask what you’re up to and having to tell them Britney Spears.
Sandy was a little tricky. She said she trained Peter well. (that’s for you Fantasy in Korn not talking to the media)
July 10th, 2009 at 2:58 pm
Steel. What are you talking about @ 2:56 p.m. Did one of your posts disappear?
July 10th, 2009 at 3:01 pm
There was also something about a male attorney having been assigned …then she fussed around with the computer and moved on .. but then she said Israel was in court but Sandy wondered why the other guy was assigned. She did not give me his name or resolve it with me on the phone.
July 10th, 2009 at 3:06 pm
11:21 a.m.
“Imagine if THAT was Brit’s problem all along…Unmanaged blood sugar?”
…That’s what the sentence should have said. But I used the word “imaging” before.
July 10th, 2009 at 3:16 pm
We’ve talked about Britney and “The Brand” here before. Well, here’s a snippet from a newsletter I receive from Veritas Communications called “Touchdowns & Fumbles.” I just thought it was interesting:
TOUCHDOWN
Michael Jackson memorial classy over trashy – Veritas Team Huddle compiled by Sarah Daly
With an estimated one billion people watching the televised memorial this week, it’s tough to argue with Queen Latifah’s description of Michael Jackson as the ‘biggest star on earth.’ Everyone will remember where they were on July 7, 2009 for the two and a half hour star-studded tribute that Veritasians declared a classy Touchdown. Some of our team felt the memorial was over the top, yet also fitting for an ‘over the top’ performer. This demonstrates that the event delivered on the brand that was/still is Michael Jackson. In crass communications terms, we felt it was important they reinforced that brand in the minds of the public – particularly given all the controversy surrounding his death. The spectacle provided a significant cache of positive reflections on Michael’s talent and his music that “owned the news”, minimizing opportunities for further media focus on negatives (court cases, the father of his children, etc.) One item did detract from the day’s events, however: the City of L.A. has a very prominent ask on their website (www.lacity.org)– they are requesting donations from fans to help pay for the memorial event. The same event, by the way, that drew tens of thousands of those same fans to L.A. in the first place, where they spent plenty of money. For this Veritas calls a flag on the play. Michael Jackson was, and probably always will be, “the King of Pop,” and overall the tribute remembered the music and the man – not the mayhem and the man. That man may be gone but the “MJ” brand appears to be – at least for now, anyway – alive and well.”
(Sorry, no link available.)
July 10th, 2009 at 4:10 pm
Fascinating, Steel. ok, your two cents on Michael’s daughter appearing? What would Veritas say?
Spot on with the Brand after Kennedy say I.
Meanwhile, I yakked with my sister the journalist. She is writing a book (money has changed hands, contract and deadlines in place) and getting great advice from an east coast publisher. Sometimes a writer can know too much about a case and it stops them. It’s true. If I write this I have to include .. and it’s then daunting.
Also to remember that I don’t have alot of experience working with people who work for the county or state and that all journalists dread calling public affairs or media relations. Sometimes those guys at the county or state just don’t feel like doing things. I hadn’t thought about that.
July 10th, 2009 at 4:14 pm
News:
07/06/2009 Declaration (OF ADNAN GHALIB, ALLI SIMS, ROBIN JOHNSON AND FILIPE TEIXEIRA IN SUPPORT OF PLAINTIFF SAM LUTFI’S OPPOSITION TO DENDANT’S MOTION TO STRIKE )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner
And what do you all think of articles that might have been the other day? Singled down to the “felon Adnan Ghalib.”
July 10th, 2009 at 4:18 pm
07/06/2009 Request for Judicial Notice (IN SUPPORT OF PLAINTIFF’S OPPOSITION )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner
07/06/2009 Objection Document (TO EVIDENCE SUBMITTED IN SUPPORT OF MOTION TO STRIKE )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner
07/06/2009 Opposition Points & Authorities (TO DEFENDANT’S MOTION TO STRIKE )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner
07/06/2009 Declaration (OF SAM LUTFI IN SUPPORT OF OPPOSITION TO DEFENDANT LYNNE SPEARS’ MOTION TO STRIKE PURSUANT TO ANTI-SLAPP STATUE )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner
Steel. How is your proposed documentary idea bouncing off the boss?
July 10th, 2009 at 4:35 pm
I’m on board.
Maybe it’s Stockholm syndrome.
I am meanwhile feeling that emotion of angry and mystified (oh come on, AM, enough already — if you aren’t convinced by your own strawberry theories by now.. it’s hopeless).
July 10th, 2009 at 4:36 pm
Correction: angry and mystified by the press
July 10th, 2009 at 4:42 pm
Who is Robin??
July 10th, 2009 at 4:45 pm
AM, I’ve still got a long way to go on the one I’m working on, with another big deadline coming up, so I won’t be able to do anything but watch from the sidelines, I’m afraid.
July 10th, 2009 at 4:51 pm
shyt. Oh well. What do you think of the news? I need to dig on Robin. I wonder that she/he was there the night Lynne spent the night.
July 10th, 2009 at 5:26 pm
Sorry to keep bringing up MJ…But these are just some of the cutest yet saddest photos ever…
http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/09/michael-jackson-publix-figure/
“Check out these pics of Michael Jackson’s 2003 grocery store shopping spree — the one where his friend shut down a Publix supermarket so he could “shop like everyone else and put things in a basket.”
…Imagine…Living in such a bubble of celebrity that pushing a shopping cart becomes a special treat. Wow.
July 10th, 2009 at 5:36 pm
I don’t think it’s an intrusion, Steel or off topic at all.
MH, I still think the vid you put up is poignant. Small? It’s one maybe you shouldn’t miss.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vfg7yZsSVs&NR=1
Steel. All she wanted was to take a picture.
There are good paps and bad paps. The bad pap is, “Why don’t you take one now?” It’s mean and I’ve heard that voice before.
The world that Ronnie could open to us. It’s not important for today but it’s like Ama was saying the other day about shedding light on particular people.
Steel? It’s probably best not to talk. That’s what I am getting. I will leave it alone then and let people draw conclusions as they may re news.
July 10th, 2009 at 5:53 pm
ok so jm changed the wording on this…but what i find odd is what he changed it to. simple oversight i’m sure…since we know he’s not adnan’s biggest fan.
—Britney’s ex-boyfriend / paparazzo, Adnan Ghalib, will stand trial for “felony assault with a deadly weapon, battery and hit-and-run” because a judge ruled there is not enough evidence to prosecute him, according to TMZ.com.
July 10th, 2009 at 5:54 pm
and of course no bhers caught it.
sorry… i’m a details person.
July 10th, 2009 at 5:55 pm
Doc. With Ama gone (for now) I don’t see any divisions but they could still come.
I wonder that anyone should underestimate TA.
MH. I was told by public affairs that you can “borrow” transcripts as the D.A. has to keep them on file. One has to be there in person. Do you need any case numbers? What’s up with Y?
I can get Ram’s testimony. I don’t know if it is worth it. We have what he was likely to swear to and what would we do here but pick it apart?
I’d rather get testimony from Feb 25th. I’m glad I didn’t write the damn article. I was going to disentangle Lutfi from Adnan. Now I wonder the point.
Doc. About MT. It always confused me re Ronnie trying to suppress him and threatening him some days to shut up.
July 10th, 2009 at 6:01 pm
—07/06/2009 Declaration (OF ADNAN GHALIB, ALLI SIMS, ROBIN JOHNSON AND FILIPE TEIXEIRA IN SUPPORT OF PLAINTIFF SAM LUTFI’S OPPOSITION TO DENDANT’S MOTION TO STRIKE )
Ama is going to shit herself.
July 10th, 2009 at 6:03 pm
And so it goes down in history. I wrote earlier today that my sister and I agree that Nancy Grace is a bitch.
It was Nancy last night who related Britney’s addition and commitment to Michael Jackson. Thanks Grace.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/07/10/drug.intervention.jackson/
July 10th, 2009 at 6:04 pm
p.s. we weren’t talking about Britney when we talked about Grace bitch factor.
July 10th, 2009 at 6:09 pm
AM, it won’t load. i get the main page just fine…and see that my inbox has messages…but when i click on it it won’t load. a while back the send button wouldn’t work. i hate y. i’ll set up something thing else…kinda busy today, so maybe later.
July 10th, 2009 at 6:10 pm
I know, MH @ 6:01.
LOL. Maybe I am grateful she is not posting right now.
July 10th, 2009 at 6:10 pm
rubbing hands together! what’s up with ag!
July 10th, 2009 at 6:11 pm
Wolk?
July 10th, 2009 at 6:17 pm
Re: People shitting themselves…
Sometimes the truth hurts. I’m not sure why it would be a shock to anyone.
July 10th, 2009 at 6:18 pm
Evel?
July 10th, 2009 at 6:18 pm
AM, I think it was clear long ago that the two large white shirts were NOT for me and you and our big knockers. LOL
July 10th, 2009 at 6:39 pm
LOL @ 6:18.
What a memory you have.
Cloud?
Hello. Australia constituent! ?
July 10th, 2009 at 6:44 pm
KLM packed for a trip but she posted on the latest Adnan thread, to him, for him. I believe there is no division for her either.
I haven’t seen G anywhere of late. I think her daytime access went south.
The queen was active on the board. Is she still?
July 10th, 2009 at 6:57 pm
For those who don’t play chess, there are two knights on both sides. They are oft played together.
It’s a wonderful dimensional spin with the mind.
It’s mastery but it sucks when you lose one or the other.
A knight can still win the game depending on other players.
Losing one’s queen? Sucks but it is not the end plus you can get her back and onto the board with a pond.
July 10th, 2009 at 6:57 pm
Oh. And you can’t win if it comes down to a knight and a king. Stalemate.
July 10th, 2009 at 7:59 pm
oh AM i beg you not to revive the chess game stuff. can you see me…i’m one one knee.
July 10th, 2009 at 8:01 pm
that would be ON one knee.
i wish i could do italics, oh well.
July 10th, 2009 at 8:06 pm
Yeah, I’m more of a Connect Four or Operation kinda gal…Never could figure out the chess stuff.
July 10th, 2009 at 8:06 pm
Amethyst, thanks for explaining the game of chess.
I still don’t understand it. Sorry.
About this Robin person. I’m just wondering.
Is this person a he or a she? Is Robin a friend?
And of who? Is Robin in the entertainment biz?
You may know or may not but it doesn’t hurt 2 ask.
And Felipe? Okay… so let me get this clear.
These declarations are stemming from the night
of the second hospitalization? Is that right?
Come on and help me out with this.
These people: Adnan, Alli, Robin, and Felipe all
have given a declaration in support of Sam.
What’s in it for them? Just helping out a friend?
If anyone finds themself in shock about Adnan
being apart of the decl. it’s only because it
was always said that Sam hated Adnan. That he was
jealous of his relationship with Britney. And do
you all remember the ultimatum? (I think it was
posted again not too long ago.) I always thought
that Adnan had tried to help Britney get Sam out
of her life. So I wouldn’t use the word shocked.
Just surprised. Especially after what Adnan had
alluded to in the ET interviews (about Sam). I
assumed that’s who he was speaking of w/out
saying the name Sam Lutfi.
And hell yeah. Nancy Grace is the ultimate B**CH.
But I still like her. As a matter of fact, I’m
watching her show right now. She’s gone from
covering missing kids to MJ. That ain’t so bad.
No offense to missing kids or nothing. The only
time a caller on the show can get her to crack a
grin is when they mention the twins. They are
cute little kids too. Rambling. I’m finished.
July 10th, 2009 at 8:29 pm
“Especially after what Adnan had
alluded to in the ET interviews (about Sam). I
assumed that’s who he was speaking of w/out
saying the name Sam Lutfi.”
Did anyone ever read Lutfi’s initial lawsuit docs? Where he alleged that Adnan did that interview on behalf of…someone??
July 10th, 2009 at 8:32 pm
All these initial ideas we had about Sam and Adnan…
Where did all of those come from? Seems to me they all came from pretty much one or two places…
July 10th, 2009 at 8:55 pm
“”MH Says:
July 10th, 2009 at 6:01 pm
—07/06/2009 Declaration (OF ADNAN GHALIB, ALLI SIMS, ROBIN JOHNSON AND FILIPE TEIXEIRA IN SUPPORT OF PLAINTIFF SAM LUTFI’S OPPOSITION TO DENDANT’S MOTION TO STRIKE )
Ama is going to shit herself.”
Dont know about that MH.
As I read it, Adnan don’t talk about Sam being a terrific person.
Adnan they?) just support the fact, that Sam Lutfi, did not chained Britney by a wall in the house.
But you can of course have a person in chained fast position, if you feed her with drugs, which influence would make the word loose its reality to her.
I say, I dont think anybody of them have seen Sam chaneid Britney in the house.
Big fuzz about nothing, as usual when it come to Sam Lutfi.
Sam call this caracture witnesses in his favour! Ha!
Sam talk and talk and talk. No use.
(Do you all remember when Sam Lutfi had the restraingorder on Adnan, flailed with it, telling the papers of it.. The papers who so fast printed that “truth” )
We talking Sam Lutfi now, do not forget that.
Sam Lutfi can fantasise in and on every possible angle.
Can’t be hard for any lawyer to make powder of that “proof on solid caracture”
We have not seen the end of this jet.
But thouse who just have waited for reasons to talk about Adnan as a terrible person, they of course almost must have wet their pants when they read “the Sam Lutfi SAM LUTFI’S opposition to dendant´s motion to strike.”
(To all of you oldtimers, who again, maybe get offended now by my comment. I will not come back to excuse me
)
July 10th, 2009 at 9:11 pm
correction:
“But you can of course have a person in chained fast position, if you feed her with drugs, which influence would make the world loose its reality to her.”
July 10th, 2009 at 9:12 pm
Ama. None of us are reading Adnan as a bad person. Did I misunderstand what you wrote? You may be talking about the tabloids.
Fantasy. None of us know what is in the declarations. I only ventured a guess as to what some might have seen in context to Lynne’s claims. The nights before the 5150 seemed to make sense — but I DON’T know that.
Steel. I had forgotten where I had seen the allusion to Lynne getting Adnan to do the interview with E. Thank you.
QB has been silent. ?
I am appreciative that MH may go look at the declarations.
Ama, I am not sure what you mean about people wetting their pants over Sam’s opposition to strike. That just comes from these events:
06/23/2009 Stipulation and Order (EXTENDING HEARING DATE ON DEFENDANT’S ANTI-SLAPP MOTION FROM 7/14/09 TO 7/23/09 )
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent
06/15/2009 Declaration (OF SERVICE )
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent
06/15/2009 Motion to Strike (PURSUANT TO ANTI-SLAPP STATUE )
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent
06/15/2009 Request for Judicial Notice (IN SUPPORT OF MOTION )
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent
06/10/2009 Stipulation and Order (EXTENDING RESPONSE DATE OF DEFT. LYNNE SPEARS TO JUNE 15, 2009 TO COORDINATE WITH ANTICIPATED ANTI-SLAPP MOTION )
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent
Lynne is the defendant.
Fantasy. None of us seem to know who Robin is.
Ronnie? Doc? MT? Meathead?
July 10th, 2009 at 9:18 pm
let us remember that a character witness who writes a declaration on someones behalf is a willing party. he didn’t have to do it ama.
July 10th, 2009 at 9:20 pm
p.s. Ama. If I understood even half of your message? I can always count on you to accuse one or more of us calling Adnan a villain.
Argh. Surely I misunderstood your message today.
I don’t care if Adnan has aligned himself with Lutfi. Got it? He must have his reasons.
I think I asked before, anyone been body surfing? There’s a moment where you have no control and it feels like you’re going over and over in somersaults, and then you suddenly pop up.
I’d rather surf than not. I also like to swim to the shark nets though it’s been awhile.
LOL. I just looked up. I certainly never meant that Robin could be Ronnie, Doc etc. I was hoping one of them would give us a clue. On the other hand, maybe Doc is Robin.
July 10th, 2009 at 9:25 pm
“Amethyst Mine Says:
July 10th, 2009 at 9:12 pm Ama. None of us are reading Adnan as a bad person. Did I misunderstand what you wrote? You may be talking about the tabloids….”
Please AM, you must understand what I wrote?
“The Sam Lutfi papaers” into the court(?) sounded as if Adnan, and all the others, are carractuer witnesses.
No they are not. Not in the way Sam Lutfi and his lawyers want it to look.
I think they only wintnesses about what they have seen.
They have NOT seen Sam change fast Britney in the house, as Lynne in some way have said or mention.
What is it you not understand?
After all, you´re smart, you playing chess. You can´t pretend not understand. You can speak english perfect.
I have giving a comment in so plain english that a non use reader in english could understand.
If there is some wrong spelling, you have to try to understand, even so, this time.
July 10th, 2009 at 9:25 pm
Good point at 9:18, MH.
Also, these are things Adnan would testify to if he were brought into a court of law to testify.
Was he subpoena’d (against his will) to make a declaration?
No.
July 10th, 2009 at 9:28 pm
that would be a depo not a dec
July 10th, 2009 at 9:29 pm
I’d be willing to bet…a handful of Skittles…that there is no way in the world that Doc is Robin.
But I could be wrong. Who knows.
July 10th, 2009 at 9:29 pm
depo not always willing. dec willing.
July 10th, 2009 at 9:31 pm
oh shut up steel we all know doc IS robin. she even squats.
July 10th, 2009 at 9:36 pm
LOL 9:31!
July 10th, 2009 at 9:40 pm
MH 9:18
I go against the calling of it as a “character witness” on something only good, on everything about Sam Lutfi.
It depend on the questions, does it not?
Don´t know if people are beeing asked questions on all side of the character?
Hard for Sam to answer about the fake reastraingorder against Adnan. If someone would ask.
Anyway, I dont think Adnan will stand up there to sing an aria of “idolatry” on Sam Lutfi.
Mission impossible, as i see it.
July 10th, 2009 at 9:41 pm
How do we know Robin squats?! LOL
July 10th, 2009 at 9:53 pm
ama, a declaration is something you write on your own, no questions are asked.
a deposition (being deposed) is when you are asked questions.
adnan gave a willing, written declaration for sam.
July 10th, 2009 at 9:54 pm
now are you shitting your pants? lol
July 10th, 2009 at 9:55 pm
fyi, the case in Florida has been dismissed effective yesterday, no details as to settlement in the case summary.
July 10th, 2009 at 9:57 pm
“Amethyst Mine Says:
July 10th, 2009 at 9:20 pm p.s. Ama. If I understood even half of your message? I can always count on you to accuse one or more of us calling Adnan a villain.
Argh. Surely I misunderstood your message today.
I don’t care if Adnan has aligned himself with Lutfi. ”
But I sure do care.
To aligned with Sam Lutfi would be very very bad.
Sam Lutfi destroy everything he get in contact with.
July 10th, 2009 at 9:58 pm
AM, i set up another one. the page keeps aborting. i finally got it to load and now the send button won’t load. i f-ing give up on Y.
July 10th, 2009 at 10:01 pm
MH
1. Do he, Adnan, don’t need to testifye in a court?
2. If I Adnan know some alligation against Sam is a lie, shall he not say so, even if he not like the man?
Or shall he be as bad as the person who try to take him down?
Is this to be a person to be?
July 10th, 2009 at 10:01 pm
Ama. Where is your defense of how smart and capable Adnan is? He can dance with the devil. Maybe he is. I think I understand your point otherwise.
If you care though, you may accept that Adnan has done something, taken an action. Will you support it?
MH. Thanks for clarifying depo v. declaration.
Ama. Now are you shitting your pants? The case summary does not lie. Adnan is in the company of Alli, Felipe and Robin, an alleged pee squatter.
July 10th, 2009 at 10:03 pm
LOL…an alleged pee squatter.
July 10th, 2009 at 10:05 pm
ama, when you write a declaration you sware that you are telling the truth and are willing to testify in court about what you’ve written.
July 10th, 2009 at 10:06 pm
well…you don’t sware, you just say.
July 10th, 2009 at 10:06 pm
So. That said at 10:01 p.m., voice mails, etc. are we prepared to accept that maybe Adnan did possibly aid and abet in the phone, the attorney, etc.?
It’s all possible or a little more believable now although I don’t understand Freedman’s line of questioning or why he let Britney go as a witness.
What do you think, Ama? You may have known Adnan once. You don’t know him or his situation now. None of us do. Not really.
July 10th, 2009 at 10:09 pm
I must know the identity of the alleged pee squatter! It’s more important than anything Doc ever pursued! I must know!!
LOL
July 10th, 2009 at 10:15 pm
lets not forget about doc’s recent posts…their are always little tid bits that get overlooked.
July 10th, 2009 at 10:16 pm
I still not have the whole picture. Will this peopel go up in court too?
Or have the eatning some moral standing vitamins?
I do have very hard to belive that Adnan is o