Katy Arrives In Style
Pop star Katy Perry played coy while arriving at LAX in Los Angeles, CA. The singer will be appearing on this weekend’s American Music Awards. I hope she doesn’t wear those Uggs to the show!
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November 22nd, 2009 at 7:17 pm
’tis
http://www.tmz.com/2009/11/22/adnan-ghalib-mugshot-britney-spears/
November 22nd, 2009 at 7:33 pm
Not bad. Anything is better than this.
http://www.mugshots.net/nick_nolte/
November 22nd, 2009 at 7:56 pm
Eek. Yea, Adnan looks GOOD.
November 22nd, 2009 at 8:29 pm
Coming on another finale to Top Chef.
fyi
November 22nd, 2009 at 8:52 pm
Everyone pays the piper.
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:16 am
LOL at fantasy. Adnan looks better than Nick.
Hugs to you Adnan. You don’t deserve to be behind bars, but it’s better than spending yrs.
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:07 pm
QB, I missed this one.
10/28/2009 at 08:30 am in Department NWT, BERT GLENNON, JR, Presiding
Application-Ex-Parte – Denied
November 23rd, 2009 at 4:05 pm
Steel, anyone. Was anything expected to expire Jan. 30-31 2008?
November 23rd, 2009 at 4:51 pm
Hi Small. So good to hear from you.
Am- If you don’t mind, could you say what 2:07 is all about. Thanks. Also, do you mean 2008 or 2009 in reference to 4:05?
Be back later.
November 23rd, 2009 at 6:06 pm
MT emphasized the date of the c-ship, why and when. 2008. Stet.
November 23rd, 2009 at 7:01 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:07 pm
Was anything expected to expire Jan. 30-31 2008?
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Don’t know, but I’ll put my thinking cap on.
Are you thinking there’s an explanation for the flurry of activity during that month? A deadline that Britney would’ve known about that might ramp up her anxiety levels and make her a bit more “crazy” than she would’ve been otherwise?
November 23rd, 2009 at 7:05 pm
If there was a deadline of some sort, my guess would be that there would be some sort of contract with Jive or AEG that was about to expire…That signatures were needed on pieces of paper by a certain date, and that the c-ship was put in place to get those signatures on the contracts.
Just a first guess.
November 23rd, 2009 at 7:10 pm
In terms of what happened in January 2009, it seems to me that Britney really didn’t want to tour. So she did everything she could to try to avoid it and get out of it (just like prior to the Onyx Tour).
Going back a year to January 2008…What was the first thing we heard about once she was put under the c-ship? The schedule for the “Blackout Tour.”
Hmmm…???
November 23rd, 2009 at 7:31 pm
And yes, I know the Blackout Tour didn’t happen. But I do think the Blackout Tour and the Circus Tour were one and the same (both were scheduled to start in March 2009), so in reality, it DID happen. They just had to throw that last track on the CD to be able to call it the “Circus” tour, and to justify putting her on stage in a circus setting when she really didn’t appear ready to perform. What better way to distract from her unreadiness (is that a word?) than to surround her with circus performers and a flurry of activity (so much so that your eye doesn’t even know where to look while watching it).
Anways…Tours. Tour documents. Record company documents. Branding. Image reshaping. To me, that’s what the entire c-ship has been about.
November 23rd, 2009 at 8:08 pm
St.Mag., I think you’re so right!
I was just reading fans comments on another forum and although they give different dates for when Britney’s first contract with Jive expired they mostly agree that this is her second go around with the label.
I think that Britney’s “Part 2″ with Jive commenced around the time of In The Zone. She seemed to be more in control with that cd as far as the song selection and creation goes. She co-wrote 8 songs for that cd. More than on any other she’s ever done.
She took a mini break after the DWAD tour before releasing ITZ. So when did the “second contract” begin? I’d guess sometime in 2003. She had worked on ITZ for most of that year anyway. So, if she re-signed in early 2003 that deal may have been like the deal she did with Larry in 2006, which is reportedly to last for 5 years. If it’s true that she’s under contract for 3 studio/1 comp. then this upcoming cd would/could be her last with Jive Records.
November 23rd, 2009 at 8:18 pm
http://www.superiorpics.com/britney_spears/
Read under Career. It states that Britney signed a record deal with Jive on August 4,1997. Her first release was huge. So her contract may have been extended after the executives at the label saw the success of that first cd. Could it have been a 5 year agreement? If so that contract could have been from 1997-2002. Five years.
She could have re-newed in early 2003 for another 5 years. Meaning that the deal would expire sometime in early 2008. Don’t contracts usually end the last day of the month. If so, there you have your end date. January 31, 2008.
November 23rd, 2009 at 8:18 pm
‘Are you thinking there’s an explanation for the flurry of activity during that month?’
I am wondering about having the papers to proceed to c-ship but waiting…the date.
Wow. Wait long enough and one wonders how the fight between Sam and Britney was instigated… “Lou called me…” says Lynne. Anyway, it there is date to target that is one. The date of c-ship.
November 23rd, 2009 at 8:26 pm
Sam mentioned that “something happened” in 2003. Maybe Brit wasn’t going to re-sign with Jive? Maybe there were other problems, so Larry or Lou were sent in to dust Jamie off, get him sober, and bring him under the umbrella of the rest of the celeBRITies.
Maybe Brit’s contract with Jive has been extended to allow for her to get those last three records in (Circus, Singles Collection and a new one) without being on the hook for them?
Maybe it was extended in January 2008?
November 23rd, 2009 at 8:30 pm
Is there any way to find out if her contract with Jive was extended once the c-ship was in place?
AM, you’re getting to be much better at these kinds of things. I’m nothing more than a master Googler. lol
November 23rd, 2009 at 8:35 pm
But in January 2008 Britney was involuntarily hospitalized twice. How could she have signed back with Jive considering her mental state? Would it have been valid? She wasn’t capable of caring for the kids or herself but she secures another deal with the label? Idk, St. Mag.
November 23rd, 2009 at 9:22 pm
“I make all business decisions.” ~ Jamie Spears
Fantasy, to me this says it all.
November 23rd, 2009 at 9:28 pm
In one sense, an extension of her Jive contract would be good for her – it would mean she wouldn’t get sued for not producing the last three albums. But on the other hand, it explains why her Web site is so damn CRAPPY and floods her fans with constant posts related to merchandise instead of constant posts about music.
http://musicians.about.com/od/ah/g/360deals.htm
November 23rd, 2009 at 10:01 pm
http://www.celebritynewsnow.com/2009/11/britney-%E2%80%98asks-boyfriend-to-marry-her%E2%80%99/
November 23rd, 2009 at 11:31 pm
Oooh, I just realized something. Maybe her original contract was a normal contract, and the second one from 2003 was a “360″ contract?
Maybe the second one put a heavier emphasis on touring and promotions than it did on record sales, and THAT is why they push her to do tour after tour?
Maybe they were putting so much pressure on her to tour for Blackout in 2007 (in the midst of having 2 babies and getting divorced) that she finally just cracked?
November 24th, 2009 at 12:10 am
‘AM, you’re getting to be much better at these kinds of things.’
lol and meanwhile my home is ransacked, wires tapped. Um..
But seriously… the Blackout tour and dates you and others have backed you up on, are strange.
If Jamie couldn’t move in before that date in January? Was that the meaning of MT’s message? What was significant about the date or time frame?
What was up… Then there is the other tip of the iceberg. Things going on during the marriage. Lynne and K-Fed, with K-Fed being a tool.
November 24th, 2009 at 12:12 am
MH, anyone buys 10:01? It’s b.s.
November 24th, 2009 at 12:40 am
Ah, it’s all about compliance. They’ve got the brand, they’ve got plans for the brand, and everyone who gets in their way (including the performer herself) is either eliminated or a tool.
That seems to pretty much sum up the entire music industry. IMO.
November 24th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
MT never chomped at the Blackout Tour dates.
I guess I am wondering why it would be important to understand their “true intent.” I mean, we’ve considered the worst… or have we? Well maybe not the worst…is it important to understand the worst or just the “true intent.”
And how does that help anyone at present other than to learn the truth of a story? Is it just a foreshadowing of the future? Or a way to understand future events for what they are?
November 24th, 2009 at 12:18 pm
To me, the Circus tour dates ARE the Blackout tour dates (whether it was just a vague idea, or actually penciled into the schedule at the 02). And we know what happened when Brit tried to avoid the Circus tour dates. It kinda turned into a “worse case scenario.” For Adnan at least.
November 24th, 2009 at 12:19 pm
Lies or not… since when did tabloids step in to correct rumors?
http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/2009/11/celebrity-news-lie-of-the-week-britney-spears-to-marry-jason-tra/
Why is there any battle over this? It’s like one side saying one thing and then a publicist coming in to modify the story to their liking.
November 24th, 2009 at 12:31 pm
mmm. Did it have to do with custody/visitation and is the Jennifer McCarthy who made a declaration in favor K-Fed the same Jennifer McCarthy that Britney made an appearance for a charity cause?
November 24th, 2009 at 12:33 pm
Thought I should mention, when I talk about the “Circus Tour” and the “Blackout Tour,” I don’t think they actually had either tour planned out in detail when putting her under a c-ship. (For example, no songs, choreography, tour outfits, personel picked out). It’s more like the idea of, “we’ve got to get her on the road and in front of audiences. We’ve got to get some tickets sold.”
You can book a date for a performance without having the performance itself planned out. And I’m guessing this was more along the lines of what was going on. Just a push to get contracts signed, promises made, then dates at certain venues secured. The rest of the details could come later – after Jamie was in charge and they knew they could count on her to show up.
November 24th, 2009 at 12:33 pm
‘k. So we have Blackout dates and custody/visitation going on.
If Britney had regained anything with the kids she would not have been as vulnerable as she had become?
November 24th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
I also don’t think her estate was in THAT much of a mess when she went under the c-ship (but really, what do I know?) I’m guessing what they were trying to avoid was the POTENTIAL for her estate to become a mess if she didn’t deliver her last three albums, and she didn’t deliver on her tours and appearances, as promised in her contract.
It’s the contracts…with Jive, AEG, Larry, and everyone else…that are what motivates Jamie to do the things he does. IMO.
It’s worth taking the time to read up on what those 360 contracts entail.
November 24th, 2009 at 12:42 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
November 24th, 2009 at 12:33 pm
If Britney had regained anything with the kids she would not have been as vulnerable as she had become?
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I think her boys very much became tools.
November 24th, 2009 at 12:46 pm
Remember one of the first things Adam Streisand mentioned when Brit briefly hired him as her lawyer (just after she was put under the c-ship)?
“Ms. Spears’ estate consists of $40 million in assets and is currently undergoing a $17 million IRS audit,” Adam Streisand said during a hearing to strip Spears patriarch Jamie Spears of conservatorship over the embattled pop star.”
http://www.popcrunch.com/britney-spears-irs-audit-britney-spears-17-irs-audit/
Now compare that to a 360 deal, in relation to Jive:
360 deals are contracts that allow a record label to receive a percentage of the earnings from ALL of a band’s activities instead of just record sales. Under 360 deals, also called “multiple rights deals,” record labels may get a percentage of things that were previously off limits to them, like:
* Concert revenue
* Merchandise sales
* Endorsement deals
* Ringtones
November 24th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
AZlynn also filed for divorce in January. Intuitively this was not the issue but I’ll put it here.
What do you mean by 360?
Here is his original post.
‘Here’s one for you AM.
If you can get a timeline on when the conservatorship was put in motion, then maybe you can get a clear view of the road ahead. ( Date ) Why and When? This will show the true intent. Britney going crazy was just an excuse or maybe even part of the manipulation. It’s what everyone has bought which is fair enough because it has happened then the intervention. Think about Britney marrying KFed. Fast forward a bit through the tabloid garbage and see the relations between KFed and Lynne. Something is a brewing sort of speak. Yes everyone might say it’s because of the childrens behalf or is it something more. Then you can place KFed as a tool at that point. A tool for what?’
He goes on to say that K-Fed is small fry.
November 24th, 2009 at 12:50 pm
I would think it might be worth going back and taking a look at everything Adam Streisand said in those hearings. Mr. Streisand was the lawyer that Adnan took Britney to see as soon as she released herself from the hospital (even though she was determined to already be under a conservatorship).
If Mr. Streisand thought it was important that Brit and Jive were battling over a $17 million IRS audit, then that may be something to look at.
Perhaps Jamie decided that the best way to deal with the matter was to extend Brit’s contract with Jive and get her on the road and touring, instead of forking over the $17 million to the IRS?
November 24th, 2009 at 12:57 pm
With a 350 deal or a “multiple rights deal,” the record company doesn’t just make a cut from the performer’s records – they also profit from tours, merchandise, etc.
Just LOOK at Brit’s web site – it seems pretty clear that with Britney, the record company does not profit the most from her album sales. More than anything, they promote her tours, her merchandise, her perfumes and everything AROUND her. Just not the music itself. (As further evidence of this, just look at how she lip synchs her entire show instead of singing it – with Brit, the “Brand” is more important than the music. And by “Brand” I mean her outfits, her dancing, her breathy vocals, her persona…everything except the real person herself.)
This tells me her contract with Jive doesn’t just stipulate that she must sell X number of albums – it also says she must perform X number of tours, make X number of personal appearances, turn out X number of perfumes. Etc. Etc.
November 24th, 2009 at 12:58 pm
Typo. 360 deal, not a 350 deal.
November 24th, 2009 at 1:00 pm
Also, who would’ve talked her into making such a deal with Jive?
What year did she part ways with Johnny Wright? When did she start working solely with Larry?
2003?
http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/2007/11/britney-spears-sued-by-former-manager-johnny-wright-singers-financial-information-released/
November 24th, 2009 at 1:09 pm
Now, just think how much Larry makes from anything Brit does. What is it?
Twenty percent?
Just guessing here, but what if Larry talked her into re-signing a deal with Jive – a five year deal – that was so packed full of albums, tours and appearances – that it left her no time whatsoever to actually have a life? To have kids? To enjoy her kids while they were small?
What if the whole goal after JJ was born was to get her right back on track, cranking out albums and hitting the road? And she was saying, “No.” So what if they started putting pressure on her to do it? And when she didn’t, they shipped her off to rehab, and took her kids away on the spot? And when that didn’t work, they started ramping up the pressure (via Kaplan) until the point she qualified for a c-ship?
Anything to get her to fulfill the contract. Because if she didn’t, Larry would lose his 20%, Jive would sue her, and everyone else would lose their jobs, too (since the whole damn family seems to rely on her for income).
Make sense?
November 24th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
More on 360 deals:
“In exchange for getting a bigger cut from the artists they represent, the labels say they will commit to promoting the artist for a longer period of time and will actively try and develop new opportunities for them. In essence, the label will function as a pseudo-manager and look after the artist’s entire career rather than only focusing on selling records.
360 deals are controversial for a lot of reasons. First of all, they’re often seen a cynical money grab by labels that are facing dwindling sales and high overhead….Other people object to the whole “band branding” notion that makes 360 deals so potentially profitable for labels. A great example is The Pussycat Dolls. Sure, the branding has been a huge success – but where exactly does the music fit into the picture?
Labels counter that these deals let them sign different kinds of artists because they don’t have to be so focused on recouping their investment from album sales. They can stop chasing the instant number one and work with artist in the long haul because they don’t need to rely on big sales figures alone to make signing the artist profitable.”
http://musicians.about.com/od/ah/g/360deals.htm
November 24th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
Wow. Good thing there is top Iron Chef and Top Chef. lol.
You think she broke her contract when she shaved her head?
MT has never shied away from money being at stake along with the kids, control…so why didn’t he just say it? I can’t wait until Oz is over and see what’s put on the table.
Obviously Britney can feed and clothe herself..now if she can just click those ruby heels…
November 24th, 2009 at 1:56 pm
That is to say Steel that you’ve left at least one category for the rest of us to “vie” for.
I’m impressed. Now where to? If it was that way in the past then it’s that way in the future but how to rationalize it, make it legitimate…
November 24th, 2009 at 2:04 pm
The head shaving sure went against what her “brand” was all about…
But I think things started going haywire around the time of the Vegas wedding. And I’m thinking even that went back to whatever happened in 2003 that Lutfi was referring to.
Does a 360 contract signed in 2003 (with the assistance of a solo Larry) make sense? It means it’s not about the albums anymore – it’s all about the image and the tours.
…Because everything she’s done SINCE that time has been about breaking down that image and contradicting the “brand” (and therefore the contract).
That is, until she went under the c-ship.
November 24th, 2009 at 2:08 pm
The future…
I guess the next logical step would be have her sign another contract with Jive once this one expires.
But wait…Maybe it doesn’t expire for a while? Remember her deal with Johnny Wright? He ended his services in 2003, but he still had a sunset deal that paid him through 2008.
If Jive has a similar deal, then maybe she has to crank out X number of albums within a certain time frame, but has X number of years to complete the rest of the contract (tours, appearances, fragrances, TV appearances, movies…books…)
And whose to say she’ll resign with Jive? I still think there’s a reason that Maloof Records was created…
November 24th, 2009 at 2:23 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSa2_BiZpzI&feature=autoshare_twitter
I can see why a crowd would get antsy. Maybe I just don’t like clowns. Was she always this short on the lap dance?
Somewhere there is an article about Larry talking about the brand like it was a concept he and someone else had and he was really pleased about it. And yes. It was merchandise built around the brand.
November 24th, 2009 at 2:32 pm
I believe the “brand” was created by Johnny Wright, with Larry’s assistance. (Small or Fantasy are probably better at answering this one…)
So yes, Larry SHOULD be pleased about it. Who knew that the image they created for her would become such a money maker?
November 24th, 2009 at 2:42 pm
For me, this was the moment when she officially destroyed the “brand”:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3fILWNWJzY
That and Chaotic. Which I didn’t really watch at the time. The clip above was enough.
November 24th, 2009 at 2:44 pm
>>>is the Jennifer McCarthy who made a declaration in favor K-Fed the same Jennifer McCarthy that Britney made an appearance for a charity cause?
No.
November 24th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
Thx, MH.
Steel. That was badddddd. It was like a f y.
November 24th, 2009 at 3:21 pm
Yep. She’d already fired Larry buy that point, right?
So was the whole K-Fed era was like a big F U to him and everything he’d created? Seems like it, in a way.
November 24th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
“By that point.” lol
November 24th, 2009 at 3:23 pm
LOL. Suddenly I’ve forgotten how to string a sentence together.
November 24th, 2009 at 3:25 pm
Anywho, in retrospect, I’d almost say that Larry did something nasty to her in 2003 to make her want to start fighting back at him and destroying everything that he’d built.
A nasty ol’ contract with Jive might fit the bill?
November 24th, 2009 at 3:34 pm
I never realized the full picture, and probably still haven’t, until I saw the vid you put up.
Is the reference to the baby a f y to her mom?
And what was brewing? Larry and company lose intelligence on Britney, time to make a move? Lynne moves in to Kevin for the children?
November 24th, 2009 at 3:36 pm
Who would talk about what happened in 2003? Who would know? Was Sam the only one to talk about that?
Did they all go behind her back on something?
November 24th, 2009 at 3:37 pm
It’s odd the D.A.’s office did not issue a news release on Adnan.
http://da.co.la.ca.us/mr/default.htm
November 24th, 2009 at 3:43 pm
The reference to the baby was probably supposed to be a joke. It wasn’t long after she got busted by the paps for driving with Sean P in her lap. Then there was the incident with SP falling out of his high chair.
I remember watching it when it aired and thinking it wasn’t very funny…To me there isn’t a whole lot funny about child abuse or neglect.
It just seemed to be a really bad choice (from a PR perspective) to be in a skit like that. Same goes for the Matt Lauer interview. She just didn’t seem to be listening to anybody by that point – almost purposely trying to destroy the image that Johnny and Larry had created for her.
But then there’s cheap stuff like this that Larry was having her do:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TktFHknx-v0
It’s like Larry wanted it both ways – to control her image, but also profit off of her for his own side projects (which actually DIDN’T fit her image).
November 24th, 2009 at 3:47 pm
Amethyst-
Did they all go behind her back on something?
Like someone once said about showbusiness, the business comes before the show. What is the biggest reason people list as the cause of a business relationship going sour? Money.
There’s my 2 cents.
November 24th, 2009 at 3:47 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
November 24th, 2009 at 3:36 pm
Who would talk about what happened in 2003? Who would know? Was Sam the only one to talk about that?
Did they all go behind her back on something?
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Don’t know, but to me, all the evidence points towards this.
Skipping forward…
$17 million audit with Jive. What else did Adam Streisand say in the short time he represented her?
$17 million. That’s a LOT of money. Who owed who? I’m guessing she owed Jive. Or she owed the IRS? Or what is the deal here?
November 24th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
Is $17 million the amount that Brit owed Jive, between 2003 and 2008, for not fulfilling her contract?
Were they supposed to be paying taxes on what had already been brought in, but refused because she hadn’t fulfilled her end of the bargain? Was this a form of blackmail on their part?
I don’t know how this IRS stuff works. But somebody owed somebody, and it looks like it was Brit who wasn’t following the rules of “branding.”
November 24th, 2009 at 4:07 pm
The part about the 360 deals that’s most interesting to me:
“Other people object to the whole “band branding” notion that makes 360 deals so potentially profitable for labels. A great example is The Pussycat Dolls. Sure, the branding has been a huge success – but where exactly does the music fit into the picture?”
Branding.
It’s a concept a lot of people probably aren’t even familiar with while watching music videos or buying records. Here’s a great skewering of the Beyonce and Gaga “brands” that popped up today on Perez:
http://perezhilton.com/2009-11-24-beyonce-lady-gaga-video-phone-behind-the-scenes
To me, it looks like Brit’s been trying to destroy her “brand” since early 2004. Something must have provoked her to do this. But what?
November 24th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
Even more evidence of her going head to head with Jive execs:
“Re: Mona Lisa
It was included in the Chaotic OST because the “Original Doll” album plans were scrapped and since Britney already premiered “Mona Lisa” on Ryan Seacrest’s radio show. From what I’ve read, Jive did not like what Britney did about releasing the song before the official promotions for “Original Doll” was to happen and because Britney was concentrating on being a Mom, so the album plans were scrapped.”
http://www.britney.com/us/forum/original-doll-unreleased-album
Didn’t she do this with “Gimme More” too? Push ahead and film the video without Jive’s consent (do I have that right?) All in retaliation for them not releasing her “Do Somethin” video (which she directed) in the US?
It sounds like she’s been fighting with Jive execs and challenging their authority since at least January 2005.
November 24th, 2009 at 5:19 pm
Oh, and then there was the “M&M’s” tour during 2007…
If she’s got a 360 deal with Jive that covers concerts, did Jive get anything from this little mini tour? I doubt it. Just another F U to them.
Wow. The list could probably go on and on. It’s almost like she became a record company’s worst nightmare.
P.S. Sorry for the glut of posts. It’s one of those hurray up and wait kind of days.
November 24th, 2009 at 6:00 pm
I am there with you, Steel… and don’t let us forget from time to time about Streisand and $17 Million.
I actually thought about calling him weeks back: TMZ makes things way too easy.
This is from 2000 with Katie Couric..it’s part humor but…
COURIC: There’s Britney Spears bubble gum, there are Britney Spears doll–dolls. In fact, I brought Carrie’s Britney Spears doll with me this morning. And if you press–press the Britney Spears’ doll’s naval…(plays music). But I’m–I’m very happy that it–it comes sans naval ring. I appreciated that. Now, you don’t really like this doll. You don’t think–it doesn’t look like you, by the way.
Ms. SPEARS: No, no. I don’t really like it.
COURIC: And you know what another really nice added feature is? You press her belly button…
Ms. SPEARS: And what?
COURIC: She stops singing.
Ms. SPEARS: Oh, OK. That’s good.
COURIC: Because that could be a real problem.
Ms. SPEARS: Yes.
(who approved the doll?)
November 24th, 2009 at 6:04 pm
Then things change a little?
“At the end of day, if that’s going to bring a smile to everybody’s faces — the Barbie dolls and things like that — that’s really, really cool. “I’m definitely hands-on with every business aspect that I do.”
The Daily Telegraph (Sydney, Australia)
September 15, 2001
November 24th, 2009 at 6:12 pm
Hey y’all. I’m back. Did anyone here catch TMZ Live today? I saw most of it. Someone asked a question that I’d asked recently. Where has Jason Trawick gone? I haven’t seen pics of him since the yacht ride over a week and a half ago. It makes me think back to the link someone posted which said he hauled ass after Britney popped the big Q which led to her saying what she did before she “sang” Everytime. I don’t buy that story but it did make me think twice when the guys at TMZ answered the question today.
Mike Walters seems to be Harvey’s mouthpiece when he’s not there for the live shows. Mike said that he doesn’t feel that Britney is 100% better, etc. It’s a slight change from what I heard he and Harvey say last week. There was more inaccurate info given by another guy who works there. I think he later corrected his comment. I don’t know if many heard it though.
November 24th, 2009 at 6:17 pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christina_Aguilera_Doll
Christina Aguilera had a doll too.
November 24th, 2009 at 6:19 pm
http://richmond.kijiji.com/toys-games/farmville/set-of-nsync-dolls-justin-chris-lance-joey-jc/?ad=199329
N’SYNC too.
November 24th, 2009 at 6:31 pm
http://www.backstreet.net/www.cgi?x=show&d=news&i=010105-0014-33&c=2
The Backstreet Boys weren’t having it.
Have You Had A Backstreet Boys Dolls Manufactured Yet?
K. Richardson: “No. We don’t want a BSB dolls in toy stores. That’s sacrificing our name and the integrity we’ve worked hard to build up.”
A. McLean: “It’s raping the market, taking advantage of our fans and saying, “We’re in it for the money, here’s some dolls and pillows and bed sheets.” It’s too much. We have merchandise, T-shirts and posters and books, but it’s official stuff that we’ve approved.”
November 24th, 2009 at 6:49 pm
Interesting. I will check out TMZ.
Meanwhile, what is this? I don’t understand the context… (also Steel I am not finding anything on Mona Lisa or on Original Doll in credible media — doesn’t mean it didn’t happen)
The Philadelphia Inquirer, August 30, 2002
‘I’m starting to feel sorry for Britney Spears.
American Idol notwithstanding, the moment of teen-pop super saturation is long gone. In fact, the Idol frenzy argues in its own way that the era of talent-free automatons has receded. Say what you will about the desperate-for-fame survivors of Fox’s Darwinian smackdown, but sinister Simon Callow wouldn’t have let the remaining contestants get this far if they couldn’t, at least, sing.
That’s more than you can say for Britney, whose true vocal limitations weren’t as fully exposed as her body until she made the error of opening her mouth on that dreadful HBO special last fall.
Since then, the road’s been bumpy: At a mere 3.8 million, Britney moved fewer than half the copies its predecessors did. Justin Timberlake went off with the real Janet Jackson, rather than a pale imitation. The industry is moving on, intent on “Building the Post-Britney,” as a recent New York Times Magazine profile of malleable Amanda Latona put it. And after tabloid yammering about a Mariah Carey-style crack-up, Spears’ mother defensively told People her daughter had “never, ever been close to a breakdown.”
November 24th, 2009 at 7:37 pm
The Toronto Sun, October 19, 2004
NEWLYWED BRITNEY Spears told her fans yesterday she is taking a few months off “to enjoy life,” including her honeymoon and reruns of her favourite TV shows.
“My prerogative right now is to just chill and let all the other overexposed blonds on the cover of Us Weekly (magazine) be your entertainment,” she said in an open letter posted on her official Web site.
Spear’s publicist, Leslie Sloane, added yesterday that the singer was merely keeping a low profile until the first of next year to “spend some time with her husband.” Sloane confirmed earlier this month that the 22-year-old entertainer had abruptly parted ways with the manager who had guided her career since she was an adolescent.
Spears also suggested she had been exploited for the commercial gain of others. ??
November 24th, 2009 at 10:06 pm
Biggie. I never realized until I poured through the archives what all happened in 2004 between repeated knee injuries, marriages and so on.
Now I know what you guys were talking about.
Britney used to have a code she gave to her bodyguard when she couldn’t take it (promotions, meet and greet, paparazzi) anymore. It’s stormy outside. She’d go to her room I read and the bodyguards would guard the door.
November 24th, 2009 at 11:48 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
November 24th, 2009 at 6:49 pm
And after tabloid yammering about a Mariah Carey-style crack-up, Spears’ mother defensively told People her daughter had “never, ever been close to a breakdown.”
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And this was printed in August 2002?
Remember the ending of Stages (filmed in July 2002)? With all that pressure, who WOULDN’T have a breakdown? At least a little mini-meltdown?
So here’s my call…
By August 2002, I’m guessing Brit had ALREADY had her first mental breakdown – we just didn’t know about it the way we did the January 2008 breakdown.
And I’m guessing that she was STILL (at the pressuring of her management and parents) talked into signing a new deal with Jive in 2003 that included a clause saying she must tour, do appearances, and all the rest.
Remember what she said in FTR? That after she broke up with Justin, she just wanted it to stop. But it didn’t stop, did it? It was on to the Onyx Hotel Tour, and right back to the grind.
November 25th, 2009 at 12:07 am
Did anyone else who watched Stages wonder why it ended the way it did? Why is it that the camera operator had full access to EVERYTHING, but when it came to the climax of the film…there was nothing. A slo-mo shot of Brit looking overwhelmed, and the sound of Fe’s voice telling Brit, “You gotta make a decision, you are 20 years old.”
I’ve got a feeling the director made a decision, for Brit’s sake, to leave certain footage out…
November 25th, 2009 at 1:49 am
http://www.nationalenquirer.com/britney_spears_tour_meltdown/celebrity/67727
November 25th, 2009 at 4:13 am
I have mentioned in the past that I have felt Britney wanted to “rest” yrs ago. That is why I was bit upset when I read rumors of a new CD. WTF?! Really. I have noticed Britney not being as into her music as she once was. I could see it. I’m sure fantasy could see it. Is that what the people around her wanted…for Britney to “rest”, take a break? F*** NO! In the end, I want Britney to be happy. I don’t know if she is.
Happy Turkey Day
Enjoy the food. Enjoy family time.
November 25th, 2009 at 9:27 am
Jordan M, and very odd people (fans?) have transformed Britneys words and also mowed away the real video:
““Britney Spears Everytime The Circus Tour Live Australia Sydney 20-11-09
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlh4F1T4oag
“How many of you have ever been loved?
How many of you have ever been hurt?
This song is for you”
Wonder what is so dangerous about this words?
I do like this video and will do what I can to give the link to people who like the truth.
November 25th, 2009 at 9:55 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Y0Fu2Ky4Ho
Everytime – Britney Spears Circus Tour (Australia, Sydney 20/11/09)
More comments and viewers
November 25th, 2009 at 10:39 am
O M G !!! Can she really say this???
http://www.movieline.com/2009/11/courtney-love-involving-edward-norton-britney-spears-in-facebook-meltdown.php
November 25th, 2009 at 10:52 am
Yikes! It’ll be interesting to see how The Machine handles this one.
If I were them I’d just hand her silence back. Can’t reason with someone who’s unreasonable.
November 25th, 2009 at 10:56 am
As for the National Enquirer article…
It seems totally believable to me. And is reason once again why I’d hate to see them push her into another album or tour.
However…I really do think Brit likes being in the studio. I get the feeling she really does like writing and creating new musics. It’s really too bad they don’t let her concentrate just on that – turning out great Blackout-style CD’s (all on her own – without their interference) and let her film videos and leave it at that.
November 25th, 2009 at 11:02 am
Hmmm. She broke out a wig for the entire concert last night?
What is the meaning of this?! lol
November 25th, 2009 at 11:05 am
Thanks, JM, for continuing to be honest:
“Someone tell her ASAP that marrying Jason will not give her custody of her kids nor free her from the conservatorship. Thanks.”
http://www.breatheheavy.com/index.php?subaction=showfull&id=1259126487&archive=&start_from=&ucat=&
November 25th, 2009 at 11:51 am
Good morning all.
I think the NE story has some truth to it. Remember the story of her skipping out on the full dress rehearsal and opting instead for a sound check? It was said that she had really bad jetlag from the long flight to Australia.
About the blonde bob wig. Did she wear it again last night? I know she did throughout the concert on Tuesday. I saw the pics and video. I thought she looked cute with it on.
I just bought this week’s mags. The NE has a story about Britney saving her favorite uncle, Austin Spears, by sending him to reheb in California. It’s a place called Cri-Help Rehab Center in North Hollywood. The NE says it’s the same clinic Jamie entered for painkiller and alcohol addiction in May 2004. Austin is said to still be in rehab. He’s been there since August.
Gosh, I love me some mags!
Oh, btw, if this story is true which it very well may be. (The NE has been on their stuff lately.) Who is flipping the bill for Austin’s rehab care?
Gotta go and finish reading the rest of my mags.
I’ll talk to you all later. Have a good one.
November 25th, 2009 at 11:56 am
http://www.cri-help.org/
November 25th, 2009 at 12:01 pm
Fantasy Says:
November 25th, 2009 at 11:51 am
The NE says it’s the same clinic Jamie entered for painkiller and alcohol addiction in May 2004.
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I’d love to know who talked Jamie into entering a rehab centre located in North Hollywood, of all places. Was it Britney, or someone else?
As for the blonde wig, it was probably the same concert you’re speaking of. The whole time zone change seems to be throwing JM off, so he tends to post his articles at times that don’t actually correspond to the concert itself.
November 25th, 2009 at 12:33 pm
Courtney. Pretty on the Inside. I think she would know?
November 25th, 2009 at 12:44 pm
Courtney is…a little unhinged…as if her filter is completely gone. But sometimes it just means she cuts straight to the truth instead of filtering her words like everyone else.
November 25th, 2009 at 1:17 pm
She’s never dull.
‘theres not much money from lohan but i hink its power rather than money and i think thos cosvertorship shit will become common’
November 25th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEsQHenUdo8
Poor Kurt Loder and Madonna. LOL.
November 25th, 2009 at 3:05 pm
Anyone think Courtney will answer how she knows that?
November 25th, 2009 at 3:46 pm
When did she start seeing K-Fed? Probably a coincidence.
Newsweek, November 3, 2003
Bringing Up Britney, By Lorraine Ali
‘This latest round of overexposure (aimed at the postpubescent crowd this time) coincides with her fourth album, “In the Zone,” though it’s hard to say if anyone will notice the great soundtrack behind the perpetual peep show. The record–created by everyone from Moby to R. Kelly–is actually pretty amazing. Its beats are crisp and club-savvy, its production inspired. All that’s missing is the singer: Spears’s breathy voice and orgasmic groans are simply decoration.’
and
‘Spears’s affair and breakup with Justin Timberlake was a tabloid event of Bennifer proportions. “It was really hard,” she says. “There was a time when I was like, ‘OK, I’m over men. They’re mean.’ For like six months, not a single thing happened. Not like they weren’t drawn to me, but there wasn’t a single real attraction. I’m like, ‘What’s happening? I know I’m not a lesbian’.” Now it’s reported that she’s hooked up with a married backup dancer. Spears says she’s not dating anyone. “My personal life is no one’s business,” she says. “But I can understand the infatuation. I mean, s–t, I’m a fan. Me with Brad Pitt and Jennifer Aniston. I’m like, ‘Oh my God. They are so cute!’ “‘
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Daily News (New York), August 6, 2003
EVEN BRITNEY CAN FEEL OVEREXPOSED
Britney Spears bares a lot for the September issue of British Elle – from her pierced bellybutton to her tattoo to her continued angst over her breakup with Justin Timberlake.
In the article, Spears criticizes Timberlake’s “Cry Me a River” video, which features the singer dissing a Britney look-alike, and voiced her displeasure over what he’s said about their relationship.
“Freakin’ horrible. You know what I mean? It was hard for me that he was so exploitative,” she told the magazine. “Every interview that he did, he was talking about us in such an open way and I just felt, ‘Is nothing sacred anymore?’ ”
But don’t expect Spears to go after Timberlake – who is now dating Cameron Diaz – on her new CD, which is due out in October. Said Spears: “I’d never do that.”
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Small, Fantasy, I’m caught up for 2003-04. Steel, what were you saying about Stages?
November 25th, 2009 at 3:56 pm
AM, I get the feeling that something really did happen in 2003…If you look at her career/life, it was an uphill trajectory until midway through 2002, and then starting in January 2004 (with the Vegas wedding) it appears to slide further and further downwards until she hit rock bottom.
Stages was a documentary filmed during her Dream Within a Dream Tour. It follows her over several days at the end of the tour, which happened to be in Mexico.
This is the last of 21 parts:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWD8sM5kFYg&feature=related
It’s best to watch the film start to finish, but the ending itself is really strange. Brit and her team (Johnny Wright, Fe, etc.) gave the cameramen totally open access to her the entire time – even following her in the bathroom as she did her make-up in the morning. But at the end of the film, when she has to make a big decision, there’s no footage. The director has kind of done a patchwork ending that doesn’t really match the rest of the film. It makes me wonder if Brit actually had a meltdown, and that he chose not to include it in the film. Either that, or the cameras got booted out when the discussions got heated. I really don’t know. But if it was me in Brit’s position, I think I would’ve had a little meltdown. TOO. MUCH. PRESSURE!
November 25th, 2009 at 4:07 pm
I’m not sure exactly when the Diane Sawyer interview was filmed, but I think it was 2003:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfJ4quuwwz4&feature=related
Diane refers to what happened in Mexico and really goes for the tears…Which she got. Yay for you, Diane.
November 25th, 2009 at 4:10 pm
This is kind of sad but I can really respect the pressure she was under. I mean what a schedule first off and wanting time off.
Do you think K-Fed was in the picture in fall 2003? The married back-up dancer in the article above?
November 25th, 2009 at 4:15 pm
But wait…When I say “something happened,” I mean something with her management or record company. Or something to do with the control that they were exerting over her. Because from 2003 forwards, it seems to always be about “control.” About testing them, about taunting them, about throwing things back in their face.
I get the feeling they did something that really made her angry at them.
But by then it wasn’t “them.” She dropped Johnny around this time, and went with Larry on his own.
November 25th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
Courtney has said what I have been thinking for awhile now. I know that is terrible to say, but I have been thinking something like that.
I remember frequenting WOB yrs ago when it was owned by RG (not going to put his full name out there) and he would imply something had happened to Britney….I really need to shut up. It could explain the info Sam claims to have against her father. BUT, in no way would the info make Britney look bad.
November 25th, 2009 at 4:19 pm
The married back-up dancer wasn’t Kevin. It was rumored to be Columbus Short. He was a choreographer on her tour, until the rumors started with him and then he disappeared from the tour. Fantasy might confirm this news.
Damn it, I promised myself I wouldn’t get caught up in all this Britney stuff anymore….WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO ME!!?? LMAO. She sucks you back in
November 25th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
Steel—I never watched Stages. I have never been the fan that bought everything Britney. I only have her CDs and I read forums.
November 25th, 2009 at 4:25 pm
Small, I know you’ve mentioned that before. And I thought of that when I read what Courtney said.
I wonder…If we combined these two ideas, if it might explain things a bit.
We have two things happening in 2003…Larry becoming her manager on his own. And her Dad going to rehab. And then we suddenly have her Dad in LA, working for the Maloofs as a chef and also working with them by being the “celebrity face” of poker products.
So I’m thinking it may have been Larry that dragged Jamie out of Kentwood and brought him to LA. And from then on in, it’s been an alliance. From the divorce onwards, maybe Lynne has slowly been elbowed out as Larry and Jamie worked together.
And from then on in, maybe Brit’s had to deal with a new relationship with her Dad that she wasn’t exactly comfortable with.
November 25th, 2009 at 4:27 pm
Small, I only came across the Stages documentary recently while looking for other stuff on YouTube. But once I started watching it I couldn’t stop!
November 25th, 2009 at 4:52 pm
I never thought of Jamie and Larry working together. It was always Larry and Lynn. I always thought there could be something going on between Larry and Lynn…that is just me speculating. LOL
Something to think about.
I will catch you all later. I’m lucky I have some time today to post. I have been busy.
November 25th, 2009 at 5:14 pm
http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,592380,00.html
I remember reading about Colombus. It’s a name I haven’t heard in a long time. A really long time.
I believe his story. If he and Britney had gone all the way he would have blabbed about it. They all do. Yes, they ALL do. Sorry, but it’s the truth.
November 25th, 2009 at 7:56 pm
She’s not backing down.
‘ Britneys father and the fact that Jaimie Molesterd her: i have retched with empathy watching ( quote deceased husbands suicide note, he wrote in his final moment that i “sweat ambition and Empathy, Empathy . Empathy” ( true true true i cant be around negative people because i feel their negativity)her gulp , that l…ump up in Britney s Mtv Doc. in her thoat, the “tell” of a molested child, (cont)’
November 25th, 2009 at 8:01 pm
Holy moly.
Courtney Love Cobain
Jenny Elliscue who i adore has done 3 Britney covers, read last Decembers. read it, read between the lines what even Jann whose pretty ferarless could not get past “legal” i read the dammed thing in Feb and it was a Dec issue ( i can be scattered) and was profoundly deeply moved, ( when the kookoo bananas laywer i hired with his 6 court sanctions and his extreme right wing views told me that people like him become Justices- good god i hope not- and that any ” woman who shaves her head is insane” i knew he was possibly mentally ill, the woman LOST the custody of her children whilst BREASTFEEDING>>> and the VIDEO<<<<< so shut it and hand over my 300k and the 200 its made, kick selvaggi in the nuts apologise to Kim Cobain for what Selvaggi did to you and i have a formner Federal Agent actaully 3 now who will inform you and a Fed Prosecutir just like SR that Howard is a career criminal so you can stop believeing this shit and for the love of your alleged love of women, stop it, i dont want to and wont out you but emotional blackmail is all i have now, youve made it so you have a "room full on kenyans" nd yovuve gotteN SMUG. i sent you edward, the wchovia document selvaggi signed for kim cobain and wendy cobains refinances, total felonies, and onces the oc fbi liked, now the fbi are coming back in, your ;little waspy friend is going under the bus, theres better optioons who did it for longer buthe ffact eddie that you asked me to invest with you and LOST my 300k is insanity when you know how Britney and vulberable my finances are- i believe your mother passed from sexism and you know i am right and no i wont go there, but goddAMMIT i loathe this public shit with you, your forcing it rom cowardice, rem,ember the girl K that Wienstein lkeg raped? remember youw ere going to tell all to New Yorker and asked me to too, and then you chicked out, i was really ready , i have nothing to lose by naming a rapist and i will always always name rapists, so remember how you told me ms x was sexually harassed by Weinstein to the point of beggery? i was ready to talk despite all the advice" to the contrary, now i ask you to find mny daughters 300k, toi ind the 200 k you invested to simply send over whatevr dosumentation that steves feldstoien or fergsuon ( dont tell me selvaggis running your FUND????? you said "THIS IS IT IF YOIUVE GOT IT PUT IT" o lost 3.4 million on C Blair assets II your friends from embezzlemenet from Howard and Azoff, who now own all my entities legit and some straught mafia like "COBAIN ENTERPRISES INC" jun 07 sacm struaght o JOE MAURELLI AND VITO CUCCI lyndhurst NJ and arlington texas where i have 19 kurt d cobains and a vast real estate network called riverstoneres.com/NIRVANA LLC and called steves former secratries surname and one of his 3 refi akas FISHBACK REALTY ,,,,,im talimng about Britneys rape and mo;lestatio here but irt feels the same that you know how vulberable i am you know im not on narcotics and that you go "raise" "9 billion" for rouse enterprise foundation and cant take care of your former sister in law or protect her from your own cpa or proetct me from YOURSELF< im rating you with Linda and Hank Jaime Spears And MIcheal Lohan,
Until you get some sac,
May i quote Hayek?
i aleays thought this was so nasty
" Next time i date someone ill get someone with bigger balls with me" thats norton, next will be VIDEo< well lets start with photos,… See More
so thats not extortion thats called give me my fucking accouting and make up to your former almost sister in law whose face you borrowed to make FUN of wedny Cobain in am history X and we both know it ill never forget the daily sobbing ill never forget the blackmail of me on Fight Club and youy sobbing " BUt I dont have any power" damm straight you dont,
Im heading uptown to watch a real man direct a real movie and watch MR Douglas do his "hack" acting , hardly the guys ICONIC< and back to ms Britney spears cos FUCK KIM COBAIN HAVING HER HOME ILLEGALLY REFINANCED 12X TIL FINALLY EDWARD NORGONS CPA IN CAHOOTS WITH MY FORMER CPAS SECREATRY PASSING HERSELF OFF AS A "BUSINESS MANAGER" AS KNISPEL WHOSE LISTED AS 107 YEARS OF AGE IN THE OWNERSHIP OF AN ALLEGED ANNUITY FOR CELEBRITY SKIN "DOLLHEAD" ROLL DOWN IT ALSO LEADS US STARIGHT TO "RIOVERSIDE CRYTALS INC" IN NEW JERSEY AND ARLINGTON WITH NIRVANA LLC AND ITS HUGE COLLATORISED APPARTMENTS, AND NIRVANA HAS A LAYWER JILL BERLINER SO THIS IS JILLS PROBLEM NOW, SHE DOSNT HAVE TO DO SHUIT WHEN ITS JUST KURT GETTING RAPED AND SINCE I SUPSECT BUT HAVE NO PROOF THAT MCADAM WRIGHT REGAN IN 4TH STREET SEATTLE ARE INVOLVED VIA PRESTON GATES ELLIS. STOEHL RIEVES AOPR THE ACTIONABLE PERKINS COOIE FOR CONFLICT SERIOUS BREACH OF CONFLICT IN SEATTLE, WITH LAIRD NORTON "TYEE" ( gasp a trust site so desperate for tech stock money they have little trees women with nice fuzzy jeowsh surnams in a totally anti semetic community and the words "HOLISTIC:"" 8 times on thier pathetic website, i have found SPAN whe barbara the third pole potter hangs with Mcadam Wright Regan employees and thats the crew that funder eh PBOC one month after i signed the trust after edward said irt was okay with
November 25th, 2009 at 8:12 pm
Is there an interpreter in the house???
What the hell…??
I really wanna know what she’s saying or what she’s trying to say. If I could make sense of what’s being said I actually think I’d find it to be pretty darn interesting.
November 25th, 2009 at 8:20 pm
And….the rest you’ll have to find on your own. This came to my ebox. Doesn’t seem to have showed on her site…
‘Courtney Love Cobain commented on their status:
“imagine the dad who molested you and ypu romised your mama youd do whatever itr takes to get her out of this absuive relationshop lynn went back to affter she jbew Jaimie was abusing Britney ( shit and iw as ready top shank my mother and step stepfather for picking up the 16 year old boy who made me play spin the bottle with his 4 friends “babysirtting” after i tolkd her worst betrayal up tp that point and i prived it i was AUDI) then Jaime and your vacant brother are banoong your money and other thanb;ackout she gets no publishing frances has ALOT more money than Britney only where is it? it aint at Laird Nortron “tyee” and macadam wright regan start the PBOC w Brits team right when i sign off on thier insane kingrat of bullshot probate, take a look ive been talking tpo a few feds whp know these guys are career criminals and a harvard grad by way of u of w im learning alotr
gotta rock, but Britmney we feel for you”
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Incidentally I have an acquaintance who told a similar story to me about her brother and his friends.
November 25th, 2009 at 8:27 pm
banoong? Meaning “blowing”? Blowing your/her $.
November 25th, 2009 at 8:44 pm
Bang-on? Blowing? I know earlier today she meant that Britney hadn’t played (not pulled) that card of molestation out of pride.
November 25th, 2009 at 9:04 pm
Okay. So she said: then Jamie and your vacant brother are blowing your money and other than Blackout she gets no publishing (rights?).
Frances (her daughter)has alot more money than Britney only where is it?
With that I think she’s talking about her daughter Frances’s inheritance from her dad, Kurt.
I think the money that was left to her was put into a trust fund. I read that there’s a battle going on over Frances money or something.
November 25th, 2009 at 9:40 pm
I heard Courtney briefly talk about the misappropriation of her daughter’s funds some months ago.
Meanwhile, here is a book review and it’s the private joke I had about Britney and her decisions.
http://www.pvc.maricopa.edu/puma/puma-new/fall_2009/britneybookreview.html
‘I can’t believe I just said that.’
November 25th, 2009 at 10:03 pm
Publishing rights. Wow. There’s a lot of $$$ in publishing rights.
So who owns Brit’s catalogue? Does someone else own it in the same way that MJ owns the Beatles?
November 25th, 2009 at 10:12 pm
Jordan’s obviously running with this one:
http://www.breatheheavy.com/index.php?subaction=showfull&id=1259189650&archive=&start_from=&ucat=&
November 25th, 2009 at 10:15 pm
http://perezhilton.com/2009-11-25-another-day-another-delusional-rant-from-courtney-love
November 25th, 2009 at 10:16 pm
http://www.imagemgroup.com/
Do they own the rights to all of B’s songs or some?
November 25th, 2009 at 10:26 pm
Geez, I forget how this works. I’ve only tried to secure music rights once so far…
I know that the performer (or whoever owns the rights) has to personally approve the use of the song before you can obtain the license.
Lemme check on this one…Fantasy, I think it goes a layer deeper than what you just posted.
November 25th, 2009 at 10:27 pm
I think so too.
November 25th, 2009 at 10:29 pm
Here’s an excerpt of an e-mail I received when giving it my first try:
“Thank you for your interest.
First you will need to verify that EMI is the publisher. To find the correct publisher info you can search on either http://www.ascap.com or http://www.bmi.com or http://www.allmusic.com
Also visit http://www.harryfox.com for more info.
If you find we are the publishers,
Please outline the terms of your request and send to;
nysync@emimusicpub.com
Good luck
EMI MP”
That was for EMI specifically, but it would be different for each individual song.
November 25th, 2009 at 10:30 pm
Oops, I’ve got a comment awaiting moderation. Basically, you have to search ASCAP or several other sites to find out who owns the publishing rights.
November 25th, 2009 at 10:31 pm
http://www.ascap.com/ace/search.cfm?requesttimeout=300&mode=results&searchstr=BRITNEY SPEARS&search_in=a&search_type=exact&search_det=t,s,w,p,b,v&results_pp=30&start=1
November 25th, 2009 at 10:33 pm
For the song “Everytime” we have:
Publishers/Administrators:
SEA NYMPH MUSIC
UNIVERSAL POLYGRAM INTERNATIONAL PUBLISHING INC
It looks like it may be different for each song.
So…Who owns Sea Nymph Music?
November 25th, 2009 at 10:34 pm
137-07 63 AVE
FLUSHING, NY, 11367
November 25th, 2009 at 10:37 pm
Published by Zomba Songs Inc./Britney Spears Music (adm. by Zomba Songs Inc.)/Notting Hill Music Inc. o/b/o itself & Sea Nymph Music/Andrian Adams Music (BMI)
http://www.discogs.com/Britney-Spears-Everytime/release/293734
Sorry for all the posts…I’m just doing this out of curiosity. It would be nice to see if Courtney has any hint of a clue of what she’s talking about!
November 25th, 2009 at 10:40 pm
LOL. Gimme More is actually registered under the title “Gimme More (It’s Britney Bitch).”
http://www.ascap.com/ace/search.cfm?requesttimeout=300&mode=results&searchstr=371626974&search_in=i&search_type=exact&search_det=t,s,w,p,b,v&results_pp=30&start=1
November 25th, 2009 at 10:49 pm
Aak! I don’t know…if I actually know what I’m talking about. LOL
November 25th, 2009 at 10:51 pm
I think Courtney Love maybe has an idea of what she’s saying but the way it all comes out of her just throws you. She’s the only one who’s not thrown. You know? In her head it makes perfect sense. If she could better explain herself I think it would make sense too.
But why bring this up? She’s spoken about Britney before but she’s never gone off like this.
November 25th, 2009 at 10:56 pm
I mean she’s saying Jamie is a child molester. That is some heavy stuff she’s throwing out there.
November 25th, 2009 at 11:00 pm
And Courtney is saying that Lynne knew.
Allegedly.
November 26th, 2009 at 1:20 am
Who woulda thunk it would be Courtney Love, of all people, who would put a spotlight on the c-ship? Because that’s really what she’s getting at, I think. She’s questioning whether Brit’s dad and brother are the most appropriate people to be handling her estate. At least that’s what I’m getting out of it.
I’m really interested to see where this goes…Will it be ignored by everyone because of Courtney’s reputation, or is it finally the tip of the iceburg when it comes to people in the industry questioning the need for the conservatorship?
November 26th, 2009 at 1:36 am
Just re-reading some of what she wrote…She seems to be echoing some of what we’ve discussed here:
“…and that any ” woman who shaves her head is insane” i knew he was possibly mentally ill, the woman LOST the custody of her children whilst BREASTFEEDING>>>”
Now how was it that she lost the custody of her children whilst breastfeeding? Her manager, of all people, escorted her to Antigua, of all places, and left her for a 30 day stay while her soon-to-be-ex-husband took custody. And her parents backed both the manager and the ex-husband (and his expensive lawyer) up.
I never really thought of it that way, but if she was still breastfeeding, why would they insist on a 30 day stay in ANTIGUA?! Why not some place closer to home so that she could see her children? That doesn’t make much sense.
November 26th, 2009 at 4:14 am
I think it will be ignored because of her reputation. It’s out there for people to think about. Who knows if what she is saying is true, but if it is, it explains a lot at least in my mind. We’ll see where it all goes.
November 26th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
Happy Thanksgiving Day!!!
November 26th, 2009 at 12:27 pm
http://www.examiner.com/x-30363-Canada-Celebrity-Examiner~y2009m11d26-Is-Britney-Spears-controlled-by-someone-who-has-sexually-abused-her
Sorry for posting this on a holiday. But…
November 26th, 2009 at 12:48 pm
Interestingly, there’s been no post by TMZ about this so far. Just a fluff piece:
http://www.tmz.com/2009/11/26/britney-spears-equipment-truck-flips-australia/
“Britney Spears has lost it — and by that, we mean all her touring equipment…
Police say the driver was taken to the hospital, but the equipment was undamaged.”
November 26th, 2009 at 12:48 pm
I wonder what Ian Halperin is up to these days?
November 26th, 2009 at 12:52 pm
Ah, he’s busy releasing a book on the Brange. Snooze!
AM, any word from Steve Dennis on this one?
November 26th, 2009 at 1:25 pm
The Examiner mentions Brian Wilson of The Beach Boys being put under a c-ship in ‘64. His wife controls his estate. Is it just his estate that’s being conserved but not him anymore?
I think it’s his second wife The Examiner is referring to. Not Carnie and Wendy’s mom. But I’m really not sure about that.
November 26th, 2009 at 1:52 pm
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Courtney-Love-Cobain/163148806082
Now Courtney is a little more coherent. I think?
November 26th, 2009 at 2:03 pm
Courtney says she meant to post what she said about Britney and her dad on her private Facebook but accidentally posted it on the public FB.
Oh. Now I understand. I can only imagine what she writes on her secured Facebook page.
TTYL.
November 26th, 2009 at 2:08 pm
She says she’s not shutting up until she hears from the “freebird” herself.
Happy Thanksgiving everyone. Um..because it’s T-Day.
November 26th, 2009 at 4:26 pm
Ah, that explains why there’s hardly been any posts on any of the gossip sites. We had ours a couple of weeks back, so it’s just another regular day here.
Well…everyone better enjoy an extra serving of turkey on my behalf. I think I’ll be having Hamburger Helper for dinner. LOL
November 27th, 2009 at 9:01 am
http://www.gimmebritney.com/2009/11/britneys-7th-studio-album-is-coming/
Gimme Britney is highly reliable with their info.
So it’s true. 1 more studio cd for Jive’s label. Her contract with them is to expire very soon.
The Aussie tour ends on Sunday. I assume she’ll be going into the recording studio not long after her plane lands in L.A. next week. Well dang!
I hope everyone had a great Thanksgiving Day, btw.
November 27th, 2009 at 9:12 am
http://twitter.com/ONLY1DARKCHILD/status/6072236118
I read this day ago. Just thought I’d share it.
November 27th, 2009 at 9:34 am
Via Courtney:
http://www.thefword.org.uk/features/2009/06/britney_spears
“FEMINISM is on my mind.”
November 27th, 2009 at 9:38 am
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Courtney-Love-Cobain/163148806082?v=feed&story_fbid=220500697003&ref=mf
November 27th, 2009 at 9:43 am
St. Mag.? Are you still following Courtney on FB?
Is the PBOC she’s talking about the People’s Bank Of China?
This chick is so for real. Who do you think from the Spears family rang her up on T-day?
November 27th, 2009 at 9:45 am
That was a guess on my part.
I don’t know if someone called her or what.
November 27th, 2009 at 11:19 am
3 hours ago
“wow holy fucking wierd thanksgiving, two members of Spears FAMILY found me , watch this shit, Brit i think i may have just FREED your ass, you owe me a good forensic workover, fo ryourself as well and we need to destroy the pboc ill show you this post when you get out . im sorry noone else stuck thier necks out for you.”
November 27th, 2009 at 11:29 am
I have no doubt she’ll keep going with this…
She wasn’t who I had in mind when I said that other celebrities need to speak out…But she’ll definitely do! Now we just need to see who is next to stick their neck out to lend the cause some credibility.
November 27th, 2009 at 11:35 am
Who rang her up on T-day? My guess would be two women. Two women with no power.
November 27th, 2009 at 3:57 pm
Courtney Love Cobain NOW you other little rockstars some have been lovers some are friends, look at this shit watch this weekend and wonder why the hell we call ourselves Friends if we arent a community of people who help each other. CHRIST its fun to be the brave one. pats back.
November 27th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
Courtney Love Cobain
no the victim isnt allowed a telephone reading material or a computer the victim isnt even allowe dto read books. she just has to shake her titties while dumbassed daddy puts the money in the pboc like the puppet retard he is and she has no counsel i know of read the december last year issue of rstone its outragouse and now its in my house,so i made the decision for her. great.
(you have to read the comments.) pboc again?
November 27th, 2009 at 4:15 pm
Fantasy @ 9:43am
Is the PBOC she’s talking about the People’s Bank Of China?
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Well? Is it?
November 27th, 2009 at 4:18 pm
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Courtney-Love-Cobain/163148806082?v=feed&story_fbid=186085807770
November 27th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
Got my answer. It’s not China.
Why the heck did I think China? So much for Google. I should have known better. At the same time my mind was steering towards somewhere outside of this country. My theory sucks!
November 27th, 2009 at 4:40 pm
Hi, Fantasy. I am catching up on mail. Did you see Courtney’s full comment in the comments section? She says for one thing that pboc are all lawyers.
Oh and Steel? I am not so sure those women are so powerless (anymore?) if Courtney is right.
November 27th, 2009 at 4:53 pm
http://www.mikecann.net/2009/11/courtney-love-crazy-or-widow-that-wont.html
Amethyst? Have you read this?! OMG!!
November 27th, 2009 at 5:16 pm
Thanks, Fantasy. I hadn’t!
November 27th, 2009 at 5:22 pm
What did TMZ do to Sam?
November 27th, 2009 at 6:00 pm
I wonder who is paying for the happy couple’s clothing?
http://socialitelife.celebuzz.com/archive/2009/11/27/kevin_federline_bails_on_radio_hosting_gig_down_under.php?img=9&gfmt=m&gp=2
November 27th, 2009 at 6:19 pm
…and ive known about Jaimie molesting Britney for years, an years, just like i know everyone thats gay that you dont and i know everyone every single a lister who likes to settle in with a crack pipe and you know what i will never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever tell any of it, but when teh Consitution has been breched and when the exact same thing has happened to my family and myself when wether you like LILO or not her Convict insane father and opportunist mother grabboing this conservtaorship so they can make thier “Little girl sexy again” hey bmaybe they dont want to be the whores of thier parents dreams? esp when Lynn Spears is by all frist hand accounts the biggest soicipath since Linda Carroll ( my nother) only Lynn doesnt “Pass” art least as a ( gee it took her 20 years to get a degree) “therapist” Linda passes as a ‘therapist” ( from hell who wants me instituionlised or dead you should see the letters these freaks wrote the jidge when they went for my kid- and the judge tossed them due to the conservtoriship being IMPOSSIBL:E for a REGISTERED sex offender, ) this is like OUTING a gay man that wants OUTING bad and i never wanted to OUT anyone i dont believe in telling and kisssing unless my ex fiance who i dammed near had to boot heel his ass into am his X and Fight Club i dont care what …
November 27th, 2009 at 9:48 pm
…simply isnt my plac to discuss as othr people have experieinced the same thing from he same man they can discuss it amongst themselves and publically ,…
November 27th, 2009 at 10:19 pm
brit, edan, adam…sig pic…scroll down to
Effy%95
http://www.breatheheavy.com/exhale/viewthread.php?tid=206341
November 28th, 2009 at 2:23 am
Wow. Long read. I guess we got some answers. Sounds like a certain someone finally spoke up.
November 28th, 2009 at 2:24 am
Not the one you posted AM. A new one.
November 28th, 2009 at 2:25 am
OK, nevermind. I think you already saw it.
November 28th, 2009 at 4:48 am
Steel, which is the long read?
MH, I didn’t see what post you are referring to in that BH link.
I wonder what will happen with all this information. What two members of Spears family called Courtney?
November 28th, 2009 at 2:48 pm
it was just a pic of brit writing Jive Sucks on a wall.
November 28th, 2009 at 2:49 pm
Steel. I was hoping you would chime in. You think when she is talking about Christian names she’s otherwise suggesting the Israeli mafia? Or just lawyers with Jewish names or harder names to pronounce.
Small. Here’s the clue, ‘…like youll see in the next few days when the spears girl not brit another has her say about jaimee, i shouldnt speak so soon…’
November 28th, 2009 at 3:14 pm
MH, you didn’t think it was photoshopped? It looked pretty good if it was.
November 28th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
Small, that was what I was referring to – what AM just posted.
And yes, she shouldn’t speak so soon! Talk about jumping the gun!
AM, the part about the names, I’m not sure. I’ll have to re-read and try to decode the Courtney-speak. It might take a bit. lol
November 28th, 2009 at 4:11 pm
It takes awhile are you kidding? I put periods in etc. carriage returns .. I don’t know if she deleted all of it yet. She said she was going to.
Federales versus FEDERALES. Lawyers and FBI?
I thought we had our eye on Northern Trust Bank. Streisand indicated that Britney (or whoever was speaking for her) wanted the conservators to be that bank and Howard Grossman?
http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b57432_Britneys_Lawyer_Bails_Out.html
November 28th, 2009 at 5:45 pm
So now we are talking about Jamie Spears and pboc?
November 28th, 2009 at 6:39 pm
Doing another turkey dinner is why I ask.
November 28th, 2009 at 6:52 pm
Yesterday she posted this:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1092519/The-day-I-saw-Britney-Spears-8217-father-pull-knife.html
weep weep and weep
November 28th, 2009 at 6:52 pm
13 hours ago
SOMEONE ON MY OTHER PERSONAL FB TOOK AN ICHAT AND POSTED IT HERE FOR A FEW HOURS I FELT LIKE WELL ITS TRUE FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND AND ILL STICK BY IT , NOW I AM LOSING SLEEP AND MORE THAN FREAKED OUT, MY PHONE WENT BANANAS AND I GOT REALLY SCARED ,,,THATS ALL, IM NOT A COWARD BUT I PLAY ROCK MUSIC, I NEED GOOD LAWYERS… IM GETTING TO DO BOTH, CATCH YOU ON THE ROCK, OTHERWISE, NOTHING HERE
November 28th, 2009 at 6:54 pm
Yep, AM, looks like those are the turkeys you should be roasting.
November 28th, 2009 at 6:55 pm
In other words, Grossman and Northern Trust are the good guys.
November 28th, 2009 at 8:39 pm
@6:52 … I saw that. Sounds human like human experience when you say something ballsy, dare to contradict for that matter admit you are a Britard.
As for turkeys I am informed they are $5 for a 17 to 18 pound bird. I don’t have room in the freezer and am turkeyed out. Who knew they’d come so cheap without spending so much of my own money first to get the discount?
If Grossman and Northern Trust are/were the good guys where do you think Britney’s life would be right now? Free?
Both parties would have still had to of disposed of Adnan first…
I’m still hoping for an anonymous manila envelope. Instead I get tips that seem directional, part of the tale,…not things I can proof proof and cross-proof and dig further.
Of course if Britney could speak… I am glad Courtney said something. I don’t like that the c-ship seems a shut case when Britney is not allowed to hire her own lawyer based on a ruling from two years ago? You know I would say that was none of our business and that’s why we haven’t heard anything but we have through court document after court document and the YEARS have rolled by.
November 28th, 2009 at 8:41 pm
‘I’m still hoping for an anonymous manila envelope. Instead I get tips that seem directional, part of the tale,…not things I can proof proof and cross-proof and dig further.’
That’s not quite true but I wonder how many of the players here are used to dealing with journalists that can’t be bought or who aren’t in on it. Do you know what I mean? I wonder that I am mostly foreign in their circles.
Somethings off but it can be a clue.
November 28th, 2009 at 9:15 pm
“can’t be bought” that’s misleading because it implies I’ve been offered money. I haven’t been. Just to make that clear.
I still think it’s funny in L.A. ‘whose paying you? I know but whose paying you?’
November 28th, 2009 at 9:45 pm
The Circus Tour is over.
November 28th, 2009 at 10:05 pm
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=5
It’s 12:35pm in Adelaide, November 29.
She hasn’t performed the final show-yet.
I know she will and I am very proud of her.
November 28th, 2009 at 10:27 pm
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/11/britney-spears-going-back-studio-new-album
November 28th, 2009 at 10:56 pm
Sorry, got that from PB and just went with it. Thanks Fantasy. About the shorter hair and hair up are they marketing necklaces? I guess since the conservatorship has been in place there’s been so much marketing it’s gag. I understand some but Radar etc. and first appearance/interview in a magazine? C-ROLL at its most obvious… feeling cynical whilst hanging up chili pepper lights.
November 28th, 2009 at 11:36 pm
I hate to waffle but … http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69PKod6T5Go
Dr. Phil visits Britney on 5150. The parents call him but who lets him into visit with Britney?
I don’t know what happens in that situation as to rights but in trying to keep an open mind as to who did what… 1:26 p.m.
November 29th, 2009 at 9:20 am
http://twitter.com/richardisfamous/status/6168428532
She ended with “This is my last show. I’m so happy to end in Australia. I love y’all!”
She has left the building on her way back to Melbourne.
November 29th, 2009 at 9:21 am
http://twitter.com/richardisfamous/status/6167782092
She’s chewing gum!
November 29th, 2009 at 9:24 am
http://twitter.com/richardisfamous/status/6168473128
@all4lov3-She spends 3 days there (Melbourne) for her birthday and then flies back to LA on the 4th.
November 29th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
>>>Amethyst Mine Says:
November 28th, 2009 at 11:36 pm
I hate to waffle but … http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69PKod6T5Go
Dr. Phil visits Britney on 5150. The parents call him but who lets him into visit with Britney?
I don’t know what happens in that situation as to rights but in trying to keep an open mind as to who did what… 1:26 p.m.
Thalians has a lockdown unit on the 3rd floor. Generally you need to be on the patients guest list to get in. Your bags/purse are searched before entering. If someone tagged along with a friend or family member they may not get in if they aren’t on the list. But Dr. Phil is obviously well-known and I imagine if he showed up with a parent they would let him in. Or maybe her Doctor was informed beforehand. Who knows.
November 29th, 2009 at 12:34 pm
MH Says:
November 29th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
Or maybe her Doctor was informed beforehand. Who knows.
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If what the Chicago Sun Times reported was accurate, and her doctor was hired at the suggestion of Dr. Phil (and Phil himself said he’d been involved for about a year before the 5150’s) then it may not have been odd at all that he’d be let in.
Also, I thought it sounded like they WERE planning to do a Dr. Phil show centred around an intervention with her. Was her doctor in on this as well? I wouldn’t be shocked if she was.
November 29th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
“Amethyst Mine Says:
November 28th, 2009 at 3:14 pm
MH, you didn’t think it was photoshopped? It looked pretty good if it was.”
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It was photoshopped.
One can´t trust any photos, videos, or voice messages any longer.
November 29th, 2009 at 4:01 pm
“Also, I thought it sounded like they WERE planning to do a Dr. Phil show centred around an intervention with her. Was her doctor in on this as well? I wouldn’t be shocked if she was.”
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Jamie Spears said a clear NO!
Why do people here start forgetting all we have talked and comment earlier?
It´s like all old information and comments jumps up on the board again and again?
Why?
November 29th, 2009 at 4:39 pm
# Amapola Says:
November 29th, 2009 at 4:01 pm
Jamie Spears said a clear NO!
Why do people here start forgetting all we have talked and comment earlier?
It´s like all old information and comments jumps up on the board again and again?
Why?
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I don’t believe the family spokesperson who claimed they were not planning to do a show with Dr. Phil. I believe they fully WERE planning to do a show, and realized at the last minute how crass it would seem. That’s just my opinion.
I believe Dr. Phil when he says that he’d been involved for a year.
And I think he was a scapegoat.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ylmAgd6Ch8
Why would Lynne Spears contact Dr. Phil in the first place if he’s not a licensed doctor? What is the point of involving him at all if there was no intention of making a show out of it?
November 29th, 2009 at 4:48 pm
Put another way, why call a plumber if you’re toilet isn’t backed up? Why call pest control if you don’t have a bug problem?
The Spears could have chosen any number of psychologists or psychiatrists to work with. I’m sure there are hundreds of professionals living in California who they could’ve gone to for help. And out of all of them, they initiate contact with DR. PHIL and then invite him into Britney’s hospital room while the paparazzi are camped outside?
Sorry, but if they didn’t want to look like they were profiting in some way off of Britney’s situation, they shouldn’t have invited a TV PERSONALITY – with NO LICENSE to practice – into her hospital room. JMO.
November 29th, 2009 at 4:53 pm
Another thought…Sorry…
Here’s what I think happened…I think they were planning on doing a show. I think Britney knew what they were up to and kicked Dr. Phil out of her hospital room. And I think the family then had to cover their tracks because they realized that their plan had just publicly backfired. So they got their “family spokesperson” to speak out on TV to make it look like Phil was the bad guy. By doing this, the public’s attention was directed towards Dr. Phil, instead of towards them.
Again, just an opinion.
November 29th, 2009 at 6:47 pm
@4:48 stellar points. Makes sense.
Ama. You don’t know that Jamie said no or anything as he didn’t have control and hell yes someone in the family let him in. Did they really think that on such a high profile case (world news like it or not)that a visit by Dr. Phil would go unnoticed?
What was wrong with the shrink at Cedars? Did Brit need religion to go along with things?
November 29th, 2009 at 6:49 pm
Ama, some things come back up because there are differing perspectives from what we had one or two years ago. Some bring them up for review or fresh examination.
Why are you meanwhile making a statement of fact that Jamie said no?
November 29th, 2009 at 7:26 pm
To be fair, Jamie’s spokesperson, Ms. Lou, said, “No.” She isn’t his spokesperson per se, but she was listed as the “Spears Family” spokesperson at the time, and Jamie was also listed on her web site as a client. A “celebrity chef” to be exact.
Ms. Taylor (and her company, Tri-Star) then went on to handle Brit’s estate, post conservatorship. At least that’s the way it looks from the court documents.
That means Lou would receive a paycheque from Britney’s estate, not only her PR services, but also for her money management services.
November 29th, 2009 at 7:30 pm
Typo. Should be “not only for her PR services, but also for her money management services.”
November 29th, 2009 at 7:35 pm
Sorry…I should let Ama answer that question, since it was directed at her.
I wasn’t aware that Jamie himself had ever said, “No.” I was only aware that the spokesperson had said, “No.”
The same spokesperson who was behind this:
http://www.nationalenquirer.com/celebrity/65597
November 29th, 2009 at 7:46 pm
Or promotion services…
November 29th, 2009 at 7:54 pm
If there wasn’t money involved then what would Lou (Tri-Star) be doing with any kind of letter submitted into the Johnny Wright case?
November 29th, 2009 at 8:36 pm
Sure, you are right, both AM and Steel_ ..
It was just so obvious that Jamie would never allow the Spears family to act out in a dr Phil show.
Jamie is too cocky to even think of that. (I understand him on that, I must say.)
The Dr. has become more and more moralist and he has strange/weird pastors in the programs, with very, in my opinion, woolly / reactionary views.
Oprah is also a bit too wolly too, when I think about it.
( I can´t find the right word..”woolly” and “mixed” are the translatores proposal.
But I mean a word like that when one belive that reading a “help” book will do the trick.)
November 29th, 2009 at 8:37 pm
I cannot read this link:
http://www.nationalenquirer.com/celebrity/65597
What do it tell?
November 29th, 2009 at 8:47 pm
Ama, I think you’re right about that. I don’t think Jamie would’ve allowed Brit to be on Dr. Phil.
However…I definitely think that Lynne had plans for it. Dr. Phil said that Lynne had been in contact for about a year, which would be around the time of the divorce announcement to Brit being shipped off to rehab.
I see the Dr. Phil show as being pretty much on par with “Through the Storm.” To me, they’re both an invasion of privacy, and they’re both all about “image” and not about the healing that Brit seemed to really need.
November 29th, 2009 at 8:50 pm
“EXCLUSIVE: THE BU$INE$$ OF BEING JAMIE LYNN
Welcome to Jamie Lynn, Inc., where teenage pregnancy is a lucrative business!
…Jamie Lynn and her boyfriend Casey have discovered that talk is anything BUT cheap!
When they’ve got something to say, somebody’s got to pay. (They sold news of her first pregnancy and baby photos for big bucks.)
After The ENQUIRER broke the story about Casey cheating on Jamie Lynn repeatedly while she was pregnant with their first child, we called Casey for comment.
He said he’d be happy to talk – for $250,000! (Earth to Casey: Do you think you’re dating Angelina Jolie?)
Despite mountains of evidence about his cheating and on-the-record interviews with the other women, Casey expected to be paid for denying the affairs. But Casey wasn’t acting alone.
An ENQUIRER reporter talking to Casey soon got a call from Tri Star Sports & Entertainment Group.
A woman identifying herself as Lou M. Taylor told us: “I represent Jamie Lynn and Lynne Spears, and if you want to make a deal with Casey, go through me.”
Welcome to the family, Casey!”
November 29th, 2009 at 9:13 pm
“Steel_Magnolia Says:
November 29th, 2009 at 8:50 pm
“EXCLUSIVE: THE BU$INE$$ OF BEING JAMIE LYNN
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Steel_
I can´t see anything wrong with taking money for being in the media?
Why should he do it for free?
Is it only the the big media sites (x17 e.g) and lawyers who shall have money in their pockets?
November 29th, 2009 at 9:41 pm
Amapola Says:
November 29th, 2009 at 9:13 pm
Steel_
I can´t see anything wrong with taking money for being in the media?
Why should he do it for free?
Is it only the the big media sites (x17 e.g) and lawyers who shall have money in their pockets?
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What I find interesting about this is…Well, a couple of things…
a) Lou wanted $250,000 for Casey to deny the affair – even though there was substantial evidence (according to the National Enquirer) that the rumours of his affairs were true. This tells me that Lou is willing to lie to the media (or encourage her clients to lie), especially if there is money involved. (So does that mean she’d lie to the media about the Dr. Phil incident, too?)
b) Lou was trying to broker a deal with the National Enquirier. The NE is a tabloid. This tells me that Lou more than likely also brokers deals with other tabloids as well. So, that means that it’s not just Britney’s bodyguards, nannies and friends that are selling the tabloids information – it’s her own PR people who are doing it too.
c) Any time we see a quote from Britney in a magazine, can we now assume the quote may have actually been written by Lou? Or at least vetted by Lou? Does Britney ever get to talk freely? Or does she only get to talk when there’s money involved?
d) Lou doesn’t appear to just be brokering deals for magazines. She is also paid to manage Britney’s estate (from the looks of the court documents, at least). This gives her a bit of a dual role, and a lot of power.
None of this is earth shattering news…but it’s interesting when looking at the big picture. It’s interesting looking back at HOW Britney found herself in a conservatorship, and it will be even more interesting watching all of this as the conservatorship continues.
I can’t wait to see how long it will go on before it finally ends.
November 29th, 2009 at 11:28 pm
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/11/britney-spears-folds-her-circus-tent
November 30th, 2009 at 2:13 am
Steel, I agree about the Dr Phil stuff. I always believed he was at the hospital because the family asked him to be there. I think Sam even backed Phil at the time. It was easier to not believe Sam though.
Thanks MH about the picture of “Jive sucks”.
November 30th, 2009 at 8:35 am
Britney, Edan, and Jamie leaving Australia on November 30.
http://www.killthelights.org/displayimage.php?pos=-280139
Britney, followed by Edan, boards a private jet headed for Los Angeles.
http://www.killthelights.org/displayimage.php?pos=-280140
November 30th, 2009 at 10:15 am
This isn’t Britney related, but I thought it was a good example of how an unbelievable tabloid story could turn out to be true:
http://www.laineygossip.com/Tiger_Woods_car_accident_right_after_cheating_allegations.aspx?CatID=0&CelID=0
November 30th, 2009 at 10:20 am
Lainey is great, because she really understands how the tabloid game is played. If you follow her from day to day, she consistently calls out certain magazines (e.g. People) for writing stories that have clearly been fed to them by celebrities’ publicists. She also points out certain tabs (e.g. The National Enquirer) that usually turn out to be printing the truth.
Remember who Jane Doe may have worked for?
Uh huh.
November 30th, 2009 at 12:48 pm
If I am sifting through the archives right then Sam was the one who perpetuated the story that Jamie, Lynne and Bryan planned to do the Dr. Phil show. Dr. Phil in another article says, “”I’ve been working with this family behind the scenes for a long time, longer than you can imagine.”
And,
‘”What’s wrong with Dr. Phil’s statement is that he made a statement,” spokeswoman Lou Taylor said on NBC’s “Today” show.
“The family, basically, extended an invitation of trust for him to come in as a resource to support them, not to go out and make public statements. He was not invited to make this part of a public display.”
Taylor, who is also a business manager for Spears’ mother, Lynne, and pregnant 16-year-old sister, Jamie Lynn Spears, said the family had never planned to do a show about Britney’s breakdown with Dr. Phil McGraw as he claimed.’
From the same article, ‘Meanwhile, the celebrity Web site TMZ reported that Spears’ parents have been trying to get her tested for bipolar disorder, but her pal Sam Lutfi has been telling her not to do so.’ (source: Daily News, NY, Jan. 10, 2008)
But why does the article below also make it seem that Britney thought Dr. Phil was “really cool”?
New Musical Express, January 10, 2008
Britney Spears’ family did not criticise Dr Phil
HIGHLIGHT: And Britney apparently thinks he’s ‘really cool’
Britney Spears’ family are not unhappy with Dr Phil, contrary to comments made by an associate yesterday.
Lou Taylor, a business manager for Lynne and Jamie Spears said that the family felt Dr Phil McGraw talking to the media was a breach of trust, after he visited Britney at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center.
Now Britney’s manager Sam Lufti has confirmed an Entertainment Tonight report that Jamie, Lynne and Bryan Spears had come up with the idea to appear on Dr Phil’s TV show to discuss Britney’s recent troubles.
The family changed their minds after the media storm surrounding McGraw’s visit to Spears in the hospital.
A source confirmed to ET that Lou Taylor is not a spokesperson for the family and that McGraw was indeed invited by the family.
They said that Britney was receptive to his visit and thought he was “really cool”.
The troubled star also reportedly took his phone number and said she may call him in the future.
–By our New York staff.
November 30th, 2009 at 1:30 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
November 30th, 2009 at 12:48 pm
A source confirmed to ET that Lou Taylor is not a spokesperson for the family and that McGraw was indeed invited by the family.
They said that Britney was receptive to his visit and thought he was “really cool”.
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If Lou Taylor is NOT a spokesperson, why was she making televised appearances and speaking on the family’s behalf?
Remember who appears to always get first dibs on Brit’s TV appearances (once the c-ship was put in place)? ET.
Can’t say I’d trust anything ET reports…Like People, they seem to get their news from publicists.
November 30th, 2009 at 3:15 pm
Just thinking…
I don’t remember any of the Spears using a spokesperson before (has anyone else?), so the fact that Lou was talking on their behalf on TV tells me they KNEW that they needed some extra special PR following the Dr. Phil incident.
I get the feeling that something went wrong for them with that whole thing, and Lou was brought in to help salve the wounds. That’s why I DO think they were planning on using Britney for a show with Dr. Phil – because the PR response from Lou was so swift and firm.
November 30th, 2009 at 3:24 pm
Old news anyways…Jamie certainly handles things differently than Lynne does.
The predictions were that the conservatorship would end after the tour, or in December or the new year. Do I remember that right?
We’re already in November. The tour has now ended. And now we have a new album set for spring.
Anybody have any new predictions on what will happen now?
November 30th, 2009 at 3:42 pm
I was thinking the source saying that Lou is not the spokesperson for the family was Sam.
All I can guess is that it was done to keep things pliable. In other words jump at an opportunity…but wait. Didn’t Dr. Phil admit they had been planning on a show?
And then there is Michael Sands talking about the private investigator he works with that works with Dr. Phil?
Pliable…a message of yes she (and her money) needs help and control but not by them..while meanwhile Adnan moves in, an unforeseen obstacle.
Dr. Phil was behind the scenes for a long long time. We’ve assumed that the was working with just the family but what if he were an intermediary with Dr. Nadel?
Sorry but that soundbyte of “really cool” is conspicuous. Brit sounds like a dope and childlike. It’s Sam saying Lou doesn’t represent the family but yet it’s important to ensure that..what…something’s coming, who is to blame?
Second 5150. Perhaps Dr. Phil was to be artfully used further.
Lynne knew Dr. Phil through Dr. Phil’s wife. Sam knew Lynne from before he knew Britney…?
It’s like the I-Spy game. I don’t really know that game.
November 30th, 2009 at 3:54 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
November 30th, 2009 at 3:42 pm
I was thinking the source saying that Lou is not the spokesperson for the family was Sam.
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And I thought the opposite…That the source was actually Lou!
November 30th, 2009 at 3:55 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
November 30th, 2009 at 3:42 pm
Dr. Phil was behind the scenes for a long long time. We’ve assumed that the was working with just the family but what if he were an intermediary with Dr. Nadel?
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The Chicago Sun Times claimed that Nadel was hired at the suggestion of Phil. So yes, I’d say he was an intermediary.
November 30th, 2009 at 3:59 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
November 30th, 2009 at 3:42 pm
And then there is Michael Sands talking about the private investigator he works with that works with Dr. Phil?
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Dr. Phil (tells Lynne to hire…)
Dr. Nadel
Dr. Phil’s investigator (gives information to Dr. Phil, who gives it to Nadel, and also gives it to Sands)
Sands (who speaks on behalf of Kaplan)
Kaplan (hired by K-Fed)
K-Fed (working with Lynne and Jamie)
If they were all on the same team, it would make a lot of sense. Perhaps?
November 30th, 2009 at 4:12 pm
AM, I know you’re going to ask why Lou would be the source. My answer is…to cause people like us to get confused.
Looking back, the Dr. Phil incident became a crisis for them. So they needed crisis management. What better way to divert attention from what they were attempting to do with Phil than to allow TS to do exactly what they’re good at. Crisis management:
- blame Sam
- blame Adnan
- insert confusing or contradictory quotes into the media by acting as anonymous “sources”
- other?
Here’s Lainey’s follow-up on the Tiger Woods story. Watch how she critiques their “crisis managment” techniques:
http://www.laineygossip.com/intro_30nov09.aspx?CatID=0&CelID=0
Just think what would’ve happened if Tiger had hired Lou. He wouldn’t be in this position, would he?
November 30th, 2009 at 4:20 pm
Mulling this over:
Dr. Phil (tells Lynne to hire…)
Dr. Phil learns about Nadel and cooperates with her and Sam? Credibility is shifted to that it’s Dr. Phil doing the referral. Lynne can’t hire Dr. Nadel. Britney doesn’t see Nadel without… agreeing to it..
Dr. Nadel
Dr. Phil’s investigator (gives information to Dr. Phil, who gives it to Nadel, and also gives it to Sands)
Dr. Phil’s investigator reports information that Dr. Phil reports to the Spears family.
Sands (who speaks on behalf of Kaplan)
and later speaks for Sam..
Kaplan (hired by K-Fed)
K-Fed (working with Lynne and Jamie)
True.
The private investigator really works for… lol the man behind the curtain?
The man behind the curtain is fallible and egoistic. Never in his dreams did he see what happened. Now he brings in CL? Introduces CL to SL and provides all the credibility needed?
CL’s spiral is oddly stopped or saved by BS ala the man behind the curtain?
pboc to us or others = momentary distraction while getting the soundbyte out there re the c-ship. They seem to be getting more desperate which is stating the obvious I know.
November 30th, 2009 at 4:20 pm
‘The Chicago Sun Times claimed that Nadel was hired at the suggestion of Phil.’
It has been alleged in some circles that the journalist for that paper gets his info from SL.
November 30th, 2009 at 4:24 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
November 30th, 2009 at 4:20 pm
It has been alleged in some circles that the journalist for that paper gets his info from SL.
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Could those circles happen to include Camp Jamie?
It seems everyone wants to pin everything on SL. Which is convenient. Too convenient.
November 30th, 2009 at 4:26 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
November 30th, 2009 at 4:20 pm
Dr. Phil learns about Nadel and cooperates with her and Sam?
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Do we know WHEN Nadel came into the picture? Is it possible she was there all along? Such as from pre-rehab (Feb. 2007) onwards?
November 30th, 2009 at 4:29 pm
Question…
How does this article fall into the timeline?
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20169769,00.html
What came directly before? What came directly after? I didn’t really realize it, but perhaps the Dr. Phil incident had more of an impact on things than we previously realized.
…And I can hear Doc laughing at us from here.
November 30th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
Another question…
Is it possible that SL works for LS, and has always worked for LS?
She’s lost all of her power. It might makes sense that she would continue to use him as a way to get it all back.
November 30th, 2009 at 4:50 pm
AM, before you laugh at me over that last post, consider this one:
http://www.celebitchy.com/539/paris_dines_with_the_enemy/
Lawsuits make for great publicity. Especially when the plaintiff and defendant are actually working together behind the scenes.
November 30th, 2009 at 4:58 pm
I see what you mean about the Chicago Sun Times.
I always try to think of who what information behooves in getting it into the public.
As for timing of the People article… Lou didn’t offer her take until the 10th, after Dr. Phil talked?
The dates are iffy but meanwhile we know from Lynne that the conservatorship planning was underway and ready. Why did Lynne make the soundbyte of having things in place ten days before the final 5150 and the c-ship?
I wonder sometimes that LS was left out of the loop on that one… at the time. The shock of seeing her daughter on a gurney, the Spears men telling Lynne she was overreacting… while meanwhile THAT occurred.
Some random items.
CL posts during the time period: ‘nuthouse man was that truly neccessary? Poor thing, i didnt need to see all that fecal matter on the walls but Thaliens at Cedars is obviously loads nicer than Bellevue- shes takingt far too much adderol, thats what ive heard and what appears to be the issue to me wich is by the way none of my ing business.or ours.
and just a little while ago dr. phil released the statement below to entertainment tonight…i don’t know why he’s involved – there must be a better doctor that isn’t a public figure that could help ms. spears deal with her issues privately – everything about this situation is wrong wrong wrong! who knows what will transpire over the next few days? oh good times! popbytes over & out for now…xxoo!’
Dr. Phil on E!
‘”My meeting with Britney and some of her family members this morning in her room at Cedars leaves me convinced more than ever that she is in dire need of both medical and psychological intervention. She was released moments before my arrival and was packing when I entered the room. We visited for about an hour before I walked with her to her car. I am very concerned for her.”
Dr. Phil will share more of his thoughts and the help he thinks Britney needs on his daytime talks show this week.’
http://www.etonline.com/news/2008/01/57024/index.html
November 30th, 2009 at 5:01 pm
‘Is it possible that SL works for LS, and has always worked for LS?’
Word I am getting out here is that Lynne is psycho but heaven knows that could be the opposite of what’s really going on?
I liked chess so much better. Screw you X. What you do to me in your imagination is what you do to you.
November 30th, 2009 at 5:04 pm
@5:01. It makes sense. Why volunteer that LS is psycho when no one is asking? Soundbytes. There needs to be a more apt word.
I’ve seen human directionals working the streets here… I’m driving down the street, am I asking them where to go? So .. something more apt than human directional.
November 30th, 2009 at 5:05 pm
A human directional often dresses in a costume to gain a driver’s attention. They often have placards around their neck, or stand near one, or they wave you in a direction.
Just so’s it’s clear what I meant.
November 30th, 2009 at 5:05 pm
More and more, I wonder if this was all just a story about two ex’s battling over control of a fortune they only partially created themselves.
What if…
While LS was busy organizing a show with Dr. Phil (it seems to be her M.O. – it’s too “Through The Storm” not to be), her ex was secretly plotting without her knowledge?
Perhaps they put on a unified front for the public, but behind the scenes it’s LS & SL vs. JS?
Then we have all the clingers (managers, PR people, record execs) simply buttering up both sides, because they’re unsure of where the power will fall from one day to the next.
November 30th, 2009 at 5:07 pm
Hate to say it, but CL could be right about what she was hearing at the time. A great way to cover that up? Blame it on Sam.
It’s convenient. It’s all just so convenient.
November 30th, 2009 at 5:10 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
November 30th, 2009 at 4:58 pm
The dates are iffy but meanwhile we know from Lynne that the conservatorship planning was underway and ready. Why did Lynne make the soundbyte of having things in place ten days before the final 5150 and the c-ship?
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What was 10 days before the final 5150? She must have mentioned that for a reason.
November 30th, 2009 at 5:12 pm
LOL. Do you realize that if SL works for LS, then what happened back in January with the phones…
Oh Adnan. However did you get caught up in this mess?
November 30th, 2009 at 5:19 pm
The second 5150 occurred on Jan. 31st:
http://www.tmz.com/2008/01/31/britney-about-to-be-temporarily-committed/
So what happened 10 days before that for Jamie to begin drawing up the conservatorship papers?
P.S. Who was the “source” inside the house?? We know who likes to work with TMZ, right?
November 30th, 2009 at 5:23 pm
Jan. 7/08 – Dr. Phil Cancels Britney Spears Show
Jan. 31/08 – Britney About to Be Temporarily Committed
If the c-ship papers were drawn up about 10 days before Jan. 31st…That would put the date approx. 2 weeks after the failed Dr. Phil show was to tape.
Hmmmm. Something else must have happened in between.
November 30th, 2009 at 5:30 pm
“Spears’s aunt Sandra Bridges Covington, with whom she had been very close, died of ovarian cancer on January 21, 2007.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britney_Spears
I remember seeing photos of Lynne visiting the grave on the one year anniversary…
Is it possible that Jamie started drawing up the papers while Lynne was home in Louisiana? In other words, behind her back?
November 30th, 2009 at 5:42 pm
Jan. 21/08:
http://x17online.com/celebrities/britney_spears/update_brits_out_of_the_depo-01212008.php
“Having lasted much longer than her previous deposition, Britney Spears has just left the building, our photogs say.
She was inside for just over two-and-a-half hours!”
November 30th, 2009 at 5:42 pm
Jan. 22/08 – Heath Ledger dies.
November 30th, 2009 at 5:47 pm
Depressing subject, but…
Mr. Dennis claimed there were several suicide attempts. Did he mention what the dates of those attempts were?
http://x17online.com/celebrities/britney_spears/x17_first_britneys_nervous_arrival_at_kaplans-01212008.php
November 30th, 2009 at 5:49 pm
But the c-ship was being organized and planned six weeks before Jan. 31…if we are to believe anybody or anything.
Ten days before Jan. 31? Britney ran off with Adnan to Mexico? Rumors abounded that she had married him?
ok at present though we have various people saying Lynne is delusional…
Then we have the book that gets released at the same time Britney hits Europe and it was designed to be that way… but it makes Lynne look faulty. Direct questions are never quite fielded as to her absence later.
My my my. What does LS have to say in all of this? She was in Britney’s life until the Nokia telephone incident?
I am meanwhile struggling with the article: there’s alot of data but it’s complex. I’m wrestling with angles. It’s like the twelfth time I’ve tried to write it and with each attempt and a little more fact checking I learn something in addition that must be added.
November 30th, 2009 at 6:07 pm
Am & St. Mag. = Cagney and Lacey
You two are awesome!
November 30th, 2009 at 6:21 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
November 30th, 2009 at 5:01 pm
Word I am getting out here is that Lynne is psycho but heaven knows that could be the opposite of what’s really going on?
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Yeppers. Maybe she’s just trying to throw out distractions while she attempts to make her next move?
November 30th, 2009 at 6:24 pm
http://www.tmz.com/2009/11/30/britney-spears-boyfriend-jason-trawick-photo/
November 30th, 2009 at 6:28 pm
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20323420,00.html
Britney “happy but not engaged”
November 30th, 2009 at 6:52 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
November 30th, 2009 at 5:04 pm
@5:01. It makes sense. Why volunteer that LS is psycho when no one is asking? Soundbytes. There needs to be a more apt word.
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Straw man?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
November 30th, 2009 at 8:17 pm
Brill.
November 30th, 2009 at 8:24 pm
‘Maybe she’s just trying to throw out distractions while she attempts to make her next move?’
She’s not the one doing it.
November 30th, 2009 at 10:27 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
November 30th, 2009 at 8:24 pm
She’s not the one doing it.
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True. But maybe she’s the one cutting the paycheques?
November 30th, 2009 at 11:50 pm
our boy’s projected release date is 12/12/09.
he was charged with a felony? hmmm
November 30th, 2009 at 11:50 pm
AM, Even with the phone incident…
Look at where certain people were located (physically and mentally, I guess) in relation to B at the time it happened.
Then think back to all the different events that have occurred…Even as far back as pre-rehab.
There are 2 people that always seem to be involved in one way or another. And then Adnan makes three. But the first two are the most interesting to me. For now at least.
November 30th, 2009 at 11:51 pm
Thanks for the update, MH.
December 1st, 2009 at 12:09 am
“no i have no further comment youll have to contact sam lufti who despite what tmz did to him is a great guy and has helped me enormously to find the Federales who are right for our cases with the pboc to bring it down”
AND
“predator found a new pawn”
Now there’s a comment I think I can agree with.
December 1st, 2009 at 12:11 am
Sorry, that one went over my head earlier. But I know at least two of you already got it.
December 1st, 2009 at 3:07 am
Adnan out on the 12th? That’s great news
LOL at Cagney and Lacey.
December 1st, 2009 at 9:16 am
“Amethyst Mine Says:
November 30th, 2009 at 4:20 pm ”
******************
And/Or
Kaplan to Kevin Federline 2004 ?:
Remember that I can give you whatever you want.
Do not lose my card.
December 1st, 2009 at 12:54 pm
small, he’s been scheduled for early release from day one.
December 1st, 2009 at 1:24 pm
Credit to Ama:
‘Earlier, sources told TMZ.com that Britney’s father, Jamie Spears, wanted nothing to do with McGraw’s intervention show about the singer.’
Did we put this link up already? http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,320589,00.html
Credit to Steel for Dr. Phil being in the picture from Jan.2007 on:
“I want to set the record straight. I went to see Britney at the request of her family. I talked to Lynne, Jamie and Brian, because they were frustrated that she wasn’t going to be held for a longer time,” McGraw said on CBS’ “Early Show.”
Asked how he had come to be involved in the saga, Dr. Phil said, “Thursday night, the phone rang, it was Lynne, clearly she was very upset. Any parent would be. I was first contacted by her family a year ago and had maintained a running dialogue for the last year or so.”
December 1st, 2009 at 1:31 pm
AM, This little back and forth about Dr. Phil has been very useful. It’s kind of helped us draw a mental picture of the dynamics about what may have been going on in Jan. 07.
Think of the stories we’re hearing about their marriage (pre-divorce, and even pre-fame). It’s possible that dynamic has continued on to present day.
That’s why I ask…How do we know they’re not continuing to battle?
December 1st, 2009 at 1:32 pm
lol. I hadn’t seen this before.
http://britneybash.com/britneys-dad-has-issues-w-britneys-mom
(ignore the title)
December 1st, 2009 at 2:19 pm
I think LS and JS are still battling just he won for the present and so far Lynne has been on her own in the lawsuit with SL.
I was looking for this link before my system crashed but thanks to someone for retrieving it.
http://www.breatheheavy.com/exhale/viewthread.php?tid=110816&page=1#pid1838573
I think Lynne left LA on Jan. 22.
Britney got the phone Jan. 16
43 phone calls were logged from “Christina” over that weekend.
(to make sure she was ok, said Christina…don’t you think 43 calls would be to get attention? Seems risky but..there was a plan)
BH publishes Jan. 26 that Jamie sent Lynne packing.
Jan. 27, Anderson notifies all parties listed in the conservatorship case. X17 reports something is going down.
Back to Dr. Phil. He was Lynne’s contact through his wife. Dr. Phil/LS/SL v. LR/JS/K-Fed?
I wonder what LS thinks about the five declarations…would she have gone along with it if it meant getting things out into the open?
I’ve learned to explore like you Steel. It’s not quite throwing mud on a wall to see what sticks, or maybe it is…
December 1st, 2009 at 2:23 pm
Was Lynne in LA during Jan 2007?
December 1st, 2009 at 2:26 pm
http://www.mikecann.net/2009/12/courtney-love-cobains-claims-so-far.html
December 1st, 2009 at 2:42 pm
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/entertainment/confidential/britney-spears-ex-husband-kevin-federline-takes-children-to-melbourne-aquarium/story-e6frf96o-1225805697641
December 1st, 2009 at 5:11 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 1st, 2009 at 2:19 pm
Back to Dr. Phil. He was Lynne’s contact through his wife. Dr. Phil/LS/SL v. LR/JS/K-Fed?
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I’m thinking LS had a double-pronged approach to dealing with B’s image. By August ‘07 there were plans for a book (she’s questioned on it by X paps) and the Dr. Phil show. I’m guessing that when the Phil show backfired, she was left with just the book.
As for KF and LR, and even LT, I’m guessing they’re all floaters. Not taking one side or the other…Just daintily dealing with both…Never knowing who’s going to come out on top.
A good description for SL is to call him a “predator.” And I’d think LS was in a position to be preyed upon once B started pushing her out of her life (following the marriage to K-Fed). And she’s STILL in a position to be preyed up to this day. (Preyed upon…is that a real word? lol)
I think we could say with almost certainty that JS and SL have never played on the same team. But I’m not so confident about his better half.
December 1st, 2009 at 5:50 pm
http://www.laineygossip.com/Britney_Spears_Justin_Timberlake_bad_hair_together_.aspx?CatID=0&CelID=0
December 1st, 2009 at 5:59 pm
Not trying to be mean BUT
I wish I was a judge, I would deem each and every one of you to mandatory psychatric evuluations.
By NO means is following the LIFE of someone (THAT YOU DO NOT KNOW PERSONALLY AND DOES NOT KNOW YOU) and analyzing each and every event/situation for this long, to this extreme, healthy, normal, rational……OK. Something is NOT right about that or anyone who does that.
It’s good to be back.
Get lives.
December 1st, 2009 at 6:24 pm
Wonderful to see you, Doc. I see you haven’t lost your old man crochety sense of well being.
Meanwhile, here’s part one of the series.
http://wp.me/px8ZX-ia
“Adnan Ghalib faces more than one man in alleyway”
I reserve the right to make edits but need to move on. Big project due Thursday. This story was long over due and I don’t mean the project.
December 1st, 2009 at 6:48 pm
I’m tweaking it some….
‘TMZ instead created an obvious and suggestive negative image of Ghalib.’
better
December 1st, 2009 at 7:26 pm
fascinating….
http://www.mikecann.net/2009/12/email-i-received-from-courtney-love.html
December 1st, 2009 at 8:52 pm
In March 2007, Leonard Pitts, Jr. wrote that in the aftermath of Spears’s personal struggles that have become widely publicized, Spears had been reduced to an abstract idea as opposed to being regarded as a real person. “The abstraction is not surprising: Whatever media touch, they objectify… What must it be like to have your marriage and divorce, your relationship with your parents and kids… dissected by millions of strangers who think they know you?” Pitts further commented that fame and fortune do not qualify the media scrutiny Spears has faced, but observed that fact has been overlooked by “our rush to a day of ‘reality’ television” and “tabloid journalism”. Though “[t]here is no reverence, no privacy, [and] nothing held back as sacred”, Pitts argues “Britney Jean Spears is not an idea.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britney_Spears
Aah…Maybe I should just go back to watching X-Files reruns.
You’re right, Doc.
Goodbye, everybody!
December 1st, 2009 at 8:55 pm
Wait. Maybe I’ll just hang around and heckle all of you. And then I can still read along, but will appear completely innocent and morally better than the rest of you.
Yep. Sounds like a plan.
December 1st, 2009 at 9:04 pm
Ah, who am I kidding.
I dig this sh@t. It’s better than watching the Young & The Restless.
Carry on.
December 1st, 2009 at 9:22 pm
‘Maybe I’ll just hang around and heckle all of you. And then I can still read along, but will appear completely innocent and morally better than the rest of you.’
Sounds like Doc. hmmm. Thanks for dropping in Doc.
Score at 8:52 p.m.
December 2nd, 2009 at 10:21 am
“We caught up with the Toxic singer Tuesday night, who enjoyed a romantic pre-birthday dinner with her agent/boyfriend Jason Trawick at the Chateau Marmont hotel on Los Angeles. It was the first public sighting of Brit in LaLa Land for months, as she recently concluded the final leg of her Circus tour in Australia.”
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/12/video-happy-28th-birthday-britney-spears
December 2nd, 2009 at 12:27 pm
http://www.killthelights.org/displayimage.php?album=8080&pos=0
December 2nd, 2009 at 3:50 pm
MH. I am glad I waited. I picked up two extra pieces.
To all meanwhile (and where is QB? Miss you QB), it’s going swimmingly.
December 2nd, 2009 at 4:24 pm
“So why Brangelina? This is his penultimate book, he tells me. Halperin is doing one more, top-secret biography with a big American press next fall and then will stick to making movies.”
http://v1.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/GAM.20091201.AHALPERIN01ART1624/TPStory/TPComment
December 2nd, 2009 at 4:29 pm
Dang it. I put off commenting on the pics and video but I can’t hold it in any longer. I must break my silence. And I will be honest as well.
Sigh….now what do I wanna say? Shiitake! Crap!
All right fine. They’re dating. Yay for them. B looks happy. I know that look she has in her eyes. I’ve thrown a man that same look a couple of times in my life. So I know what those eyes are saying. I mean, if eyes could talk that is.
Jason looks awkward and or uncomfortable. Which for him being with her is a normal expression for him to have. Now, having said all of that, imo, they appear to be a very, very, very new couple. On the yacht in Oz Britney looked happy with her kids. Believe me when I tell you that I’ve seen every pic of Britney and Jason since People announced that they are indeed an item. And I swear to ya, I, until this morning have never seen them look one another in the eye with any sort of lingering, amorous kind of stare. Or even display a certain kind of body language. Ya know?
It’s been 6 months since the People story and now they “come out” holding hands and what not. I’m not saying it’s never been done before. Just that it’s highly unusual. Either they’ve been purposefully on the DL or they were friends for months and have just recently (I stress the word recently) become gf/bf for real this time.
They don’t need to proove anything to me. I’m only being my usual observant self. My 2 cents. They must have grown closer while in Oz. That’s my observation and opinion. Whatever the reason behind the reason of them being gf/bf and choosing to display it now, like you’d think a couple would have done by this stage of a relationship, (somewhat) escapes me.
Regardless, today is Britney’s birthday so I’m gonna pretend…I mean….be happy for her. LOL.
Good talking here again. QB…where are you?
December 2nd, 2009 at 4:46 pm
Hello everyone,
I am still here. I visit the site often but I don’t always comment because others are so much more knowledgable about the issues.
I disagree with a lot of the comments made recently about Lynne and Jamie because I do believe that at the end of the day they have their daughter’s best interest at heart so rather than get into a debate about when the conservatorship was planned, what role everyone played etc., I thought it was best to keep my opinions to myself and allows others who are more passionate speak freely.
In regards to Brit and Jason, I still think the so called relationship is not real. As soon as the conservatorship ends, she will dump him and move on to someone else. Jason is “Mr. Right Now” as opposed to “Mr. Right”. I’m sure Jason is a nice guy but I do not see him and Brit together forever.
December 2nd, 2009 at 4:58 pm
QB!! Hi!! Excuse all of these !!!!
It’s good to hear from you again. I mean that. I understand what you’re saying. That’s cool. But just know that you can chime in anytime. No one said that you have to agree with any particular statement someone makes. I appreciate your thoughts. Good to know you at least are lurking.
I had to quit the lurking thing today and comment on St. Mag. and MH’s links. I swear, it was as if there was a pink elephant on the board. I couldn’t ignore it any longer. Trust me. I tried.
TTYL.
December 2nd, 2009 at 5:30 pm
‘…allows others who are more passionate speak freely…’ LOL! Sometimes you are the best speaker for the board imo. It was succinct, tactful and true.
Fantasy. I have that look in my eye when I silently want something and don’t want to make a scene. It’s a plea. He pulled up, stopped, he didn’t want to go in? Who’s the new strong man by the way? He was pretty good in warding off the paps and in a tactful, gentle way.
In the initial pictures the couple looks wary and scared.
You see love I see please, we agreed to this, we talked about it. He doesn’t seem so sure but acquiesces. B got her way.
I don’t know about the hand holding. It reminds me of Britney and Adnan driving up to the gates while the press had previously roared they weren’t together anymore.
Is Brit pulling a Lady Di? Is she better at it? Why does the image of a relationship need to be in place?
Or, they are in love as you imagine and is fueled in the tabloids and blogosphere.
QB: if the defense didn’t have the information in the article then … keep your opinions to yourself? Just pointing out something you might know. Time to sit tight.
I am so behind on my project.
December 2nd, 2009 at 5:31 pm
Courtney Love is cool.
Woot there it is.
December 2nd, 2009 at 5:55 pm
I wonder that any of you know that ‘Beth’ asked to be transferred from the case. EARLY.
December 2nd, 2009 at 5:56 pm
“Until this year, conservators, who control the healthcare and finances of adults deemed in Probate Court to be incapable of looking after themselves, were less regulated than hairdressers and guide-dog
trainers.”
http://articles.latimes.com/2009/feb/15/local/me-conservator15?pg=3
December 2nd, 2009 at 7:09 pm
Am-
Did Beth want off the case after the court hearing that was shown on Radar? Wasn’t that in May? Ever learn why she wanted out? Was she uncomfortable about something or didn’t feel confident the State would win?
About c-ships. I have read that the system is broken. Has been for a while. Major corruption on the part of everyone: the conservators, lawyers, and the judges.
December 2nd, 2009 at 7:16 pm
She um didn’t “remember” alot.
December 2nd, 2009 at 7:20 pm
She seemed someone on the side of right.
December 2nd, 2009 at 7:46 pm
QB. … terms of art?
December 2nd, 2009 at 9:56 pm
Queen B Says:
December 2nd, 2009 at 4:46 pm
I disagree with a lot of the comments made recently about Lynne and Jamie because I do believe that at the end of the day they have their daughter’s best interest at heart so rather than get into a debate about when the conservatorship was planned, what role everyone played etc.
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Here’s the reason I like to discuss this…Especially with AM…
We’ve been following this for a long time now. And every time we come back to the subject, we dig that little bit deeper. Things start to look that little bit clearer.
And why’s that important? Patterns and roles.
The story has taken a few unexpected turns over the past two years. But the deeper we dig, the more certain events make sense as we’re watching them. In real time.
Because at the start, it was us watching events unfold but not really understanding WHY they were unfolding the way they were. But now, because we’ve dug so much, we can figure things out a bit easier as we go.
Can you imagine if we’re still here another year from now, discussing these very same things? I hope that’s not the case…But the way things have gone so far, who knows?? At least we’ll be able to make sense of it all a little easier each time.
So that’s my excuse for digging deep on certain topics. I know it makes some people squirm but…I feel like sometimes you gotta throw things out there. If it sticks, it sticks. If it doesn’t, it doesn’t.
It could be worse. We could all be Brangeloonies…?!
December 2nd, 2009 at 9:57 pm
MH. Terms of art is the answer to your question.
December 2nd, 2009 at 10:17 pm
http://www.tmz.com/2009/12/02/britney-defeats-curse-you-didnt-know-existed/
December 2nd, 2009 at 10:29 pm
@9:56 totally agree and couldn’t have articulated it, not the same way. I would have been more wordy. Probably.
But she is right QB. I understand your end of the day thought but Steel and I are after something further. I don’t know. Things look much more as B. described them? Or what we heard and were led to dismiss? I feel like we were shone a bunch of shiny shields while meanwhile B can’t say anything. Nothing. Not at all.
Terms of art and all. Different terms for the same thing.
I can not wait until someone comes back from vacay. Meanwhile, I’ve got the goods. Just pisses me off this little system. On the record, off the record… What do any of them stand to lose?
I get some of them but others, I don’t know. I don’t understand the stakes. Maybe that’s a good thing.
December 2nd, 2009 at 10:42 pm
I had to think back as to why we even got on that topic again…
And then I remembered…It was CL’s rants.
She’s the one that mentioned SL as being a good guy. And then she mentioned two women coming forward to her.
So I guess it’s a topic that’s a little more current than I thought when I wrote my last post.
See…!! Patterns! And roles!!
December 2nd, 2009 at 11:36 pm
http://www.laineygossip.com/Britney_Spears_celebrates_28th_birthday_with_Jason_Trawick_at_Chateau_Marmont.aspx?CatID=0&CelID=0
December 2nd, 2009 at 11:39 pm
“Cute pang of nostalgia.”
You know, Brit does look a lot happier lately.
Is it because of Jason? Because the tour is over? Or because two women came forward?
December 2nd, 2009 at 11:57 pm
i musta missed something cause i don’t know what terms of art means.
December 3rd, 2009 at 10:09 am
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 2nd, 2009 at 10:29 pm
But she is right QB. I understand your end of the day thought but Steel and I are after something further.
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The funny thing is, I don’t disagree wit QB’s opinion. I think they’re both doing things with their daughter’s best interests in mind, too. (Or at least what they *think* is their daughter’s best interests.) The only problem is, their daughter happens to be a pop star who is worth MAJOR coin to a LOT of people, apart from just herself. And that brings with it a whole new set of problems that the average parent doesn’t have to face.
So…that means both are forced to make decisions that the rest of us may not always agree with. But then again, the rest of us have never been in that position, so maybe it’s not for us to judge?
Ah, I don’t know…I mean…Well, have you ever read the threads over at IUC? It looks like they’re over there STILL debating the ins and outs of the relationship between Jennifer Aniston and Brad Pitt. So I don’t think we’re TOO bad sitting around and debating this stuff.
…Because I personally couldn’t care less about who does what between the sheets. But I find the whole Hollywood PR game pretty interesting, and especially the idea that someone could backstabbing someone else, or twisting the law for their own benefit. This whole thing has a lot of intrigue, if you ask me.
December 3rd, 2009 at 10:20 am
Britney Nominated For A Grammy
http://www.breatheheavy.com/index.php?subaction=showfull&id=1259815350&archive=&start_from=&ucat=&
December 3rd, 2009 at 10:28 am
K-Fed No Longer K-Fattie!
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/12/k-fed-no-longer-k-fattie-kevin-federline-back-dancing-shape
“VH1’s next cycle of Celebrity Fit Club, featuring a slimmed-down K-Fed, premieres in February 2010.”
December 3rd, 2009 at 10:32 am
Heck, I’ve done this before! lol
http://www.tmz.com/2009/12/03/britney-spears-inside-out-birthday-jason-trawick-shopping-video/
December 3rd, 2009 at 10:53 am
Today from Lainey:
“The Tiger Woods mess continues to dominate headlines. Meanwhile Britney Spears turned 28 rather uneventfully. In fact, while Woods covers every tabloid and will continue to do so through today as one of his extramarital broads is holding a presser, Britney is covering the new issue of Elle, a shoot styled by Joe Zee with her children. Not really sure about the wisdom of this, but then again, she herself has been pimped practically from birth, this is probably normal for her. The point – Tiger’s in the sh-thouse and Chicken Fried is all clear. Trippy, non?”
December 3rd, 2009 at 11:37 am
MH. Without QB to define terms of art it boils down to this I think (with input by another journalist).
Hit and run is “descriptive” but you don’t have to hit someone to be charged with hit and run. Leaving the scene of an accident is the same thing but is the applicable term of law?
Maybe hit/run is shorter to type on an arrest record?
I don’t know. I do know there was a videotape and the other side dropped two of the charges.
MT did say there was videotape and that the other side must have been having a difficult time editing it?
December 3rd, 2009 at 11:53 am
AM-
I have always believed that the difference between hit and run and leaving the scene of an accident is the severity of the injury and usually a “hit and run” will be prosecuted as a felony and “leaving the scene of an accident” will be a misdemeanor.
For example, if am driving and rear end someone causing minor damage to the vehicle and take off, that will probably be a misdemeanor leaving the scene of an accident. On the other hand, if I hit someone with my car causing severe bodily injury and take off it will probably be a charge of felony hit and run just because the victim was severely injured.
Just like if you steal $10 worth of stuff it will be petty theft it is $10,000 it is grand larceny.
December 3rd, 2009 at 11:56 am
But Adnan still got charged with a felony?
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:01 pm
Sorry, not charged. I meant convicted. (I think.)
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:02 pm
fyi, that info came from pinstripe authority.
This following is also fyi. Le is a journalist here in Arizona:
# Le Templar Says:
December 2, 2009 at 9:45 pm | Reply edit
Hi Carmela:
In this post, I think you do an excellent job of rising above all of the details you have gathered to focus on the big picture and provide the necessary context for readers to understand where you are coming from. To be honest, I grasp your concerns and questions much better now that I can see the overall story that you are pursuing. I really would be intereseted to know why TMZ didn’t report these details in a story that was headlined “Brit’s Ex attacks — blow-by-blow.” I hope you don’t give up on getting on getting some kind of explanation from them.
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:07 pm
http://perezhilton.com/2009-12-03-k-feds-happy-for-britney
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:54 pm
LA County has it listed as a felony. No more guns for AG.
http://app4.lasd.org/iic/ajis_search.cfm
December 3rd, 2009 at 1:03 pm
QB, what about the terms of art?
Jane Robeson, who might have issued a statement from the DA’s office, is on vacay.
Adnan was booked on a felony if the jail records are right.
Somebody may have been injured and Adnan left. Why he didn’t come back, I understand, is in the preliminary hearing and plea transcripts.
December 3rd, 2009 at 2:32 pm
QB. If someone already has a restraining order in a criminal case what would be the point in issuing another one in a civil suit? “Stipulation and Protective Order”
December 3rd, 2009 at 3:07 pm
AM-
I really do not why someone would make the extra effort to get a civil restraining order after a criminal protective order has already been issued. The only idea I have is in the event the criminal court vacates the criminal protective order, the civil restraining order serves as an additional layer of protection.
I still do not know why Adnan was convicted of a felony leaving the scene of an accident. If I had the time, I would look up the exact Penal Code section under which Adnan pled no contest to and that would tell me what the elements for that crime are and how they differ from the misdemeanor counterpart.
I know Halle Berry plead no contest to a misdemeanor charge of “leaving the scene of an accident” and the driver in that case was really injured.
I actually applied to be a law clerk in the LA County DA’s office after law school. If I had gotten the job, I probably would know the answer to your questions or at least could ask someone who would know.
December 3rd, 2009 at 4:09 pm
Thanks, cool QB.
‘The only idea I have is in the event the criminal court vacates the criminal protective order, the civil restraining order serves as an additional layer of protection.’
Do you mean like if someone’s testimony was impeached or dismissed?
Videotape.
December 3rd, 2009 at 4:25 pm
PoorBritney smells a rat.
‘Now, either Britney and K-fed spoke of this and timed their actions or something is looking a lot like a media campaign!! No one in the Spears camp has ever addressed the Britwick Chronicles and suddenly it just flows from K-Feds lips in a magazine article that was put together BEFORE Britney held his hand.’
December 3rd, 2009 at 4:45 pm
In working on a side project I came to learn that in California family members don’t have to be licensed or go through any special training to become conservators. But here are a few things licensed conservators are obliged to.
Section 4476. Conflict of Interest.
(a) The licensee shall avoid actual conflicts of interest, and consistent with the
licensee’s fiduciary duties, shall not engage in any activity where there is the reasonable
appearance of a conflict of interest.
(b) The licensee shall not engage in any personal, business, or professional interest or
relationship that is or reasonably could be perceived as self-serving or adverse to the best
interest of the consumer.
(c) The licensee shall protect the rights of the consumer and the estate against infringement by third parties
and
Section 4484. Limitation or Elimination of Fiduciary Powers; Restoration of
Capacity; Termination of Fiduciary Relationship.
(a) When appropriate and in the best interest of the conservatee, licensed
conservators under the Act shall not oppose and, in appropriate circumstances shall
seek, limitations on the licensee’s powers or authority to act, elimination of unnecessary
or no-longer necessary powers, or termination of the proceeding and restoration of the
conservatee’s legal capacity.
(b) In all fiduciary relationships subject to the Act, when appropriate and in the best
interest of the consumer, the licensee shall take all reasonable steps to facilitate
termination of the fiduciary relationship.
(c) In all fiduciary relationships subject to the Act, the licensee shall not oppose or
interfere with efforts to terminate the licensee’s fiduciary relationship with a consumer for any reason other than as necessary or appropriate to protect or promote the best interest of that consumer
December 3rd, 2009 at 4:49 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 3rd, 2009 at 4:25 pm
…and suddenly it just flows from K-Feds lips in a magazine article that was put together BEFORE Britney held his hand.’
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…The magazine wouldn’t happen to be OK! would it?
December 3rd, 2009 at 4:56 pm
“OK! TMZ. Perez. ET.
…I’m a free. Bitch. I’m a free. Bitch.”
Wait.
Wrong pop star.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWpwTNg9VBY
December 3rd, 2009 at 6:28 pm
Yep on OK. Australian OK. Did you see their Britwick write up? Did the same press release go out to multiple magazines?
December 3rd, 2009 at 7:01 pm
http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/hwood_party_girl/b156303_britney_spears_gets_bmw_her_sober_b-day.html
Why wasn’t Lynne there? Sounds like mostly employees attended. Hope she had a nice time.
December 3rd, 2009 at 7:03 pm
When I said employees I meant the dancers.
December 3rd, 2009 at 7:06 pm
http://www.celebrity-gossip.net/celebrities/hollywood/jamie-lynn-spears-and-casey-aldridge-broadway-lovers-212577/
Recent photo of Jamie-Lynn and Casey.
December 3rd, 2009 at 7:10 pm
I wonder who bought her the convertible?
December 3rd, 2009 at 7:20 pm
I often see Britney with a cell phone in her hand but I just realized that she’s never seen talking on it. Just holding it. Do you all think her phone time and calls are still monitored?
December 3rd, 2009 at 7:24 pm
There’s been a few occasions I’ve seen her on it but mostly she just holds it. I ask because according to E! her mom wasn’t at her party.
I thought that Lynne may have phoned Britney on her birthday instead of being there. idk.
December 3rd, 2009 at 8:49 pm
Maybe she will get to see her mom on Christmas?
December 3rd, 2009 at 8:53 pm
http://www.elle.com/Pop-Culture/Cover-Shoots/Britney-Spears-Has-Done-It-Again
Pics of Britney in Elle magazine’s January 2010 issue. She’s speaking without speaking in these pics, imo. There is no interview.
December 3rd, 2009 at 9:00 pm
http://www.americanpoems.com/poets/Maya_Angelou/13474
Maya Angelou- “I Know Why The Caged Bird Sings”
December 3rd, 2009 at 11:27 pm
LOLLLLL
Courtney Love Cobaini know who your are “CARMI” stuff it
4 hours ago
December 3rd, 2009 at 11:57 pm
Adnan has been released.
December 4th, 2009 at 12:07 am
Oh, come on CARMI! Stuff it!!
December 4th, 2009 at 12:07 am
Those last two posts were F’n awesome!!!!!!!!
December 4th, 2009 at 12:11 am
Good news to hear Adnan is out!
…And it’s not every day that Courtney Love personally tells one of us to “stuff it.”
I think I might have to open a bottle of Baby Duck for this fine occasion.
December 4th, 2009 at 12:13 am
No worries, AM:
“Yes, I think she is getting you confused with someone else. Courtney has this person who goes under the alias “Karmi” who erm…isn’t quite all there,to put it nicely.”
December 4th, 2009 at 12:25 am
Really? It’s almost flattering. Courtney Love told me to STUFF IT.
Awesome. It isn’t every day…
lol.
Adnan is free.
Meanwhile I’ve been getting a lot of “paranormal” activity from what looks like Los Angeles. The search terms are direct hits. It’s odd being on people’s “list.”
December 4th, 2009 at 12:26 am
Steel. I hadn’t seen the follow-up to facebook. Still haven’t but thanks.
December 4th, 2009 at 12:38 am
MT. This might only make sense to you and then maybe only if ..ganga.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pix9ayWYOsY
December 4th, 2009 at 12:56 am
So glad to hear AG is free.
Weird video, Am. I get it. 13 days. Cool.
December 4th, 2009 at 12:57 am
Well alright now. It’s a good day today, for sure!
So happy for ya Adnan … so happy!
Psst … Hey everyone (see, I am still alive).
December 4th, 2009 at 12:58 am
Yea — plus clowns etc. and so on you got it Fantasy!
KLM SOOOOOOO happy to see you!!!!
December 4th, 2009 at 1:02 am
Likewise, AM. Just need a nice, warm day to go with the great news … but it’s chilly here 45°.
December 4th, 2009 at 1:05 am
Fantasy. Was rereading a few things. I missed the feathers on Britney as in Bird in a Cage?
December 4th, 2009 at 1:12 am
Those were good pictures of Jamie Lynn and Casey.
December 4th, 2009 at 1:14 am
Yes. A caged bird. Wearing blue, btw. Feeling blue? I wonder…
It’s also kind of like she’s an animal at the zoo. Did you notice the zebra in the background?
I guess the great thing about her being inside of the cage is that the door is open. Or is it? I guess that’s kinda like asking is the glass half empty or half full. Depends on how you look at it.
December 4th, 2009 at 1:15 am
Hi KLM.
Jamie-Lynn looks so grown up now. Very pretty too.
December 4th, 2009 at 1:16 am
Wow. It is sooooo good to see KLM Says:
I’m sorry it’s cold. I know last season was hard on you. I hate being cold too but it’s been highs of 70 here. I’m acclimated. I shiver in the house.
Fantasy. There are a few more oddities to that vid.
MH/QB. I told you things today just so you knowz.
December 4th, 2009 at 1:17 am
http://www.starzlife.com/20090103/former-spears-pal-in-deep-sht/
December 4th, 2009 at 1:19 am
Sorry, wrong link.
Too much ganja.
December 4th, 2009 at 1:33 am
Yes, I don’t enjoy the cold. Under 60° and I’m freezing. Yes, it’s weird how it can be nice outside but chilly in the house.
Hi Fantasy and Steel Magnolia! (waves)
December 4th, 2009 at 2:08 am
yay!
December 4th, 2009 at 4:52 am
I am so glad Adnan is free.
Hi Doc, QB, KLM. It’s been awhile.
December 4th, 2009 at 4:57 am
It’s great to want more kids after having one, but you have to find a way to support them too. Not just have them. That’s my comment towards Kevin’s mag story.
December 4th, 2009 at 8:53 am
I don’t know what link I was trying to post last night, but it sure wasn’t that one. (But at least it was Britney related…lol)
Well, I wonder how long it takes before this hits TMZ and the other sites. I’ve checked the bigger ones and there’s nothing yet…
December 4th, 2009 at 8:55 am
It’s nice to see KLM back on the board! *waves*
Now it would be great to hear from…meathead!
December 4th, 2009 at 9:52 am
Courtney Love Cobain 4 hours ago on Facebook says:
“….1st “mother” was voted by stone to be the 3rd worst celebrity parent of all time “father” wax 2 after next week I think Jaimie Spears will be taking one down….”
December 4th, 2009 at 9:55 am
I typed it out exactly as CL wrote it. Sorry.
I think CL may mean that after next week Jamie Spears will be taken down one. Not taking one down. I’m guessing that’s what she meant. It’s tough trying to grasp what she writes at times.
December 4th, 2009 at 10:11 am
Stone…Rolling Stone?
December 4th, 2009 at 10:16 am
Holy sh@t. There’s one for you, AM.
That’s pretty cool.
December 4th, 2009 at 10:20 am
I think she may be referring to her own mother and father, but she sure slipped you a tidbit there, didn’t she?
December 4th, 2009 at 11:40 am
fantasy, stop with all the typing. just highlight what you want to copy, then conrol c, then control v to paste. stop with all the typing girl.
December 4th, 2009 at 12:30 pm
“People with bad perms.”
LOL. I love it.
December 4th, 2009 at 12:34 pm
MH-
I’ve been doing that but I just forgot to do so again when I was reading and trying to understand CL’s writing on fb. I only began to copy and paste just recently and it’s cool. I slipped back into typing again, I think, out of habit. ha ha
December 4th, 2009 at 3:03 pm
Steel. I would say she left alot more than that. Back in awhile.
December 4th, 2009 at 5:46 pm
hmm, my post from before I left was deleted. Guess I will go post elsewhere. jk
SM, you think JL moved the cash to pboc? CL briefly mentioned Northern.
December 4th, 2009 at 6:01 pm
‘Mr. Levin has schooled his dozens of employees in a mashed-up form of journalism. Rule No. 1: some news buttons can’t be hit often enough.
“Britney is gold, she is crack to our readers,” Mr. Levin said. “Her life is a complete train-wreck and I thank God for her every day.”‘
What a strange item to include in an “updated” July 2009 article when it was about TMZ breaking the Michael Jackson story.
http://topics.nytimes.com/topics/news/business/companies/tmz_productions/index.html
December 4th, 2009 at 6:04 pm
That’s because it is from an old story but what’s it doing in the more recent one?
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/20/business/media/20carr.html?_r=1
December 4th, 2009 at 6:09 pm
Do you mean SL or JS? Or someone else? lol
December 4th, 2009 at 6:26 pm
Ganja? I mean Jamie Spears. Oh and mother I think is herself and that Jamie is going to talk down?
She could have still mean that he is going down by 2 but who knows.
At least she doesn’t think I am Karmi anymore. WOW. Cool. I got to “talk” to Courtney Love. Awesome. Sounds like she has a helluva story and that those who draw bank on her figure no one will listen to her. Is that right?
December 4th, 2009 at 6:38 pm
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0EIN/is_2001_Nov_5/ai_79735459/
??
December 4th, 2009 at 6:40 pm
I imagine he moved it to wherever Lou wanted it moved. That is, if she’s in charge of B’s business management.
December 4th, 2009 at 7:52 pm
http://www.tmz.com/tmzlive?autoplay=true&mediaKey=9a505302-7dea-4827-9dff-8d36db57c995
TMZ Live from yesterday 12/3.
Harvey speaks on B’s c-ship possibly ending.
Part 4 at the 2:05 mark.
December 4th, 2009 at 8:00 pm
I wonder if both will end, or just the conservatorship over the person?
If I were Brit, I’d be happy to get that part back at least. Money is just money. Having the power to control your own destiny is worth so much more. IMO.
December 4th, 2009 at 8:05 pm
What are they playing at. Thanks, Fantasy. Very much. “They are in court right now.”
excitee Harvey
Talking about bills, who to approve to pay, attorneys, Christmas lights … dog shampoo.
December 4th, 2009 at 8:10 pm
It’s funny that they seemed to measure Britney’s progress by this one defining feature:
“She looks great.”
*sigh*
Men!
This is why I’m still single. lol
December 4th, 2009 at 8:31 pm
Yes but Steel, this is a different message than before I sent out some of my articles and contacted them for comment. Britney crazy? Ok, that isn’t going to work now with the excitement of the c-ship about to end and someone calling them publicly on having a reason why it didn’t work out.
Crack cocaine to readers.
Businessmen, go figure.
December 4th, 2009 at 8:44 pm
It’s funny, but you can almost see them testing out different storylines (them being the story spinners…not necessarily her official PR people, but the folks from her camp feeding the gossip mill).
Did you notice what happened with JT? Nobody was buying it, so he got a make-over – lost weight, highlighted his hair, started wearing younger clothes. It was only then that her fans started to buy into the story.
And yes, now with the c-ship it’s a different tone. Now it will be kudos to Jamie for a what a wonderful job he’s done…But what happens if she crashes once she’s on her own? Will it be Jamie’s fault for not preparing her? Or will it then become all her fault again?
December 4th, 2009 at 8:53 pm
Steel,
I too thought it would be good if they ended the conservatorship over the person and kept the conservatorship over the estate but then I thought that idea could be bad as well because money is power; if you have your money you can control your life and do what you want; people who do not have their own money will always be dependent on others.
As it stands right now, Brit’s access to her money is quite limited right now. As far I know, she is still receiving some sort of allowance like a child. If the money is coming from the conservators, Brit will still have dance to their tune if she wants her money so either the entire conservatorship should be dismantled or both parts continue. It would annoy me greatly if I was making millions and other people were deciding how much I could spend and where.
December 4th, 2009 at 9:16 pm
Anyone who squirms when we throw certain things on the table should take a moment to read this:
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/12/dane-cook-finally-opens-about-his-brothers-betrayal
It happens. It really does happen.
However…One thing I don’t think Jamie is doing is stealing money from Brit. Just to be clear.
(But the amounts that all the lawyers are getting paid is a whole other matter…)
December 4th, 2009 at 10:03 pm
An interesting story about mental illness:
http://www.thestar.com/entertainment/television/article/734276–finally-freed-ex-snl-sctv-star-returns-from-hell
December 5th, 2009 at 12:51 am
I interpreted Courtney’s message different. I thought she was saying that after next week Jamie Spears would be the #1 worst celebrity parent. “Taking one down…”
December 5th, 2009 at 4:08 am
When I saw this my first thought was of AM. I laughed out loud.
http://www.tmz.com/2009/12/05/britney-spears-lights-up-her-house/
December 5th, 2009 at 2:12 pm
It was two strands of chili lights…;) no $50,000 here.
December 5th, 2009 at 2:44 pm
small @12:51
3-2-1
Meanwhile, Amanda Knox “convicted by media” in the courtroom.
December 5th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
‘Britney’s dad, Jamie Spears, is siding with Brit’s former manager, Larry Rudolph, after the starlet blamed him for forcing her to go to rehab and ruining her image.
Jamie sent this email to Page Six, defending Larry’s actions– which caused Brit to fire him last week:
“When Larry Rudolph talked Britney into going into rehab, he was doing what her mother, father and team of professionals with over 100 years of experience knew needed to be done. She was out of control. Larry was the one chosen by the team to roll up his sleeves and deliver the message, to help save her life.
“The Spears family would like to publicly apologize to Larry for our daughter’s statements about him over the past few weeks. Unfortunately, she blames him and her family for where she is at today with her kids and career. Larry has always been there for Britney. For this, we will forever be grateful to him.”‘
Team of professionals = Dr. Phil and …?
Just reviewing. I stumbled across it.
http://www.theinsider.com/news/138786_Britney_vs._Her_Dad
December 5th, 2009 at 3:23 pm
MT. You paid for the last play. I think the jukebox is on all of us this time.
December 5th, 2009 at 6:29 pm
“Amethyst Mine Says:
December 5th, 2009 at 3:22 pm ‘Britney’s dad, Jamie Spears, is siding with Brit’s former manager, Larry Rudolph, after the starlet blamed him for forcing her to go to rehab and ruining her image.
Jamie sent this email to Page Six, defending Larry’s actions– which caused Brit to fire him last week:
“When Larry Rudolph talked Britney into going into rehab, he was doing what her mother, father and team of professionals with over 100 years of experience knew needed to be done. She was out of control. Larry was the one chosen by the team to roll up his sleeves and deliver the message, to help save her life.
“The Spears family would like to publicly apologize to Larry for our daughter’s statements about him over the past few weeks. Unfortunately, she blames him and her family for where she is at today with her kids and career. Larry has always been there for Britney. For this, we will forever be grateful to him.”
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I can no longer count all the times that you have informed us on this site, about this statment from Jamie Spears.
We have talked about this, a numerous times.
December 5th, 2009 at 6:48 pm
And you Ama have reminded us countless times who (Sam/K-Fed) is responsible for what and the injustice of the situation.
The message was for Steel as she and I like to discuss who the team of professionals might have been.
As Courtney Love might say, stuff it.
December 5th, 2009 at 7:26 pm
AM
My repeated opinion on how I look at Kevin Federline’s conduct is a reaction to the repeated comments here.
It went on about Britney mom a lot. And Larry.
Therefore, I want to remind everyone about how Kevin Federline acted, from the start.
From his childish threat: “I will go home now” on the terrace in London. His scheming behavior when he realized how Britney was in love. His cat and mouse game with Britney’s feelings, until she desperately ask him asked if he wanted to marry her.
Who had the ability to emotionally break down Britney so completely?
It was not Lynne Spears.
However, you pretend that you just now found the article on Jamie Spears statement, despite the fact that you found the article (the statement) repeatedly in the past, and even then “released” it on this site.
December 5th, 2009 at 7:33 pm
Steel. First mention of a 72 hour hold? Watched the beauty of Anderson Cooper and Harvey Levin dance. If you google Britney, Levin, CNN and transcript, you might see a pattern with Anderson.
SHOWBIZ TONIGHT
Britney Spears Out of Rehab Again; Continuing Anna Nicole Courtroom Coverage
Aired February 21, 2007 – 23:00:00 ET
http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0702/21/sbt.01.html
I think you’ll see Anderson asking about the welfare of the kids (by googling for the other transcripts) and it’s very early on. Also that Kevin Federline issued a statement to CNN saying he was having a quiet evening in his home.
Anderson I think did ask about the deliberate wording of that.
December 5th, 2009 at 7:37 pm
Ama, today you are silly girl.
Good golly. The only point to reposting the article was about the professional team and its hundred years of experience.
It’s like playing Tombraider, going back into a room and seeing things you missed the first time. You’ve likely never played the game so suffice that you won’t move on to the next level without finding those additional clues.
Mountains of information here including Adnan’s freedom and TMZ’s proven fault to tarnish his image and this is what you address me on? Silly girl.
Stuff it.
December 5th, 2009 at 10:30 pm
http://twitter.com/britneyspears/status/6383289401
Britney Spears birthday gift from dad Jamie.
December 6th, 2009 at 2:30 pm
It’s circulating. http://www.poorbritney.com/blog/?p=10970#comment-12516
BritneyAddiction carried the story too. I don’t know who else.
It’s interesting that I had tweeted PB the case summary etc. Friday night but no response, while she responded to other things.
SD also, no response but then he too is someone who recently said he thought the c-ship would end soon. I tweeted that I hoped his source wasn’t TMZ.
December 6th, 2009 at 2:52 pm
From PoorBritney http://www.poorbritney.com/blog/?p=10974
Relative seeking $$ for Molestation story?
December 6th, 2009 at 3:35 pm
But did the New York Daily News issue such an article? I am almost wondering if Lou spun the story herself…
Meanwhile, PB deleted this post in response to the other story…I tweeted her as to why.
Carmela says:
Your comment is awaiting moderation.
December 6, 2009 at 11:26 am
PB, I hope you don’t mind but misinformation drives me crazy and TMZ’s manipulation goes too far in my opinion. I think people have a right to know some things and weigh it for themselves.
Ribbontie. Adnan is already free. He was scheduled for an early release of Dec. 12th when he was booked on Nov. 20. He was released on the evening of Dec. 3. The LA Sheriff’s department offers a free alert email on the release on inmates. Proof that he is free: http://app4.lasd.org/iic/ajis_search.cfm
Why has TMZ concealed this from you?
The last court date in the conservatorship hearing was about accounting. Accounting is a regularly scheduled event to approve atty’s fees and expenses. It was continued from 12/3.
The next court date is 11/22/09. Geraldine Wyle wants to reseal some documents and hide them from the public. ok. I think she is also amending that document to amend a deceased Britney into a living one.
There are no other motions. There have been no new documents filed since 11/6. There has been no activity in the visitation/custody case since September before Australia.
I would love to believe that Harvey is telling the truth. If not then what’s the agenda here and who stands to make the most money? I would be more inclined to buy merchandise such as Fantasy, Curious, the Singles Collection etc. from a free Britney over a bird in a cage. (Elle magazine)
One wonders why Elle isn’t retailing Britney’s cover in stores but only sending it to subscribers through the mail.
Verify the lack of activity in the court cases here: http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/civilCaseSummary/index.asp?CaseType=Civil
Case No. BP108870 (conservatorship)
Case No. BD455662 (K-Fed, Kaplan v.
Britney/Conservatorship visitation v. custody)
I think Harvey has an agenda. Remember he was talking about the c-ship ending before … but in the same breath he said that Britney was going back to the crazy side and that’s what the convervatorship was looking at. To me he was already writing a story line for the convervatorship ending by Britney’s birthday, then to Christmas while setting us up for why the conservatorship wasn’t ended. http://wp.me/px8ZX-9u That’s TMZ doing the set up on Britney and all of us.
Thank you, PoorBritney.
December 6th, 2009 at 3:37 pm
Being moderated. Too many links.
But did the New York Daily News issue such an article? I am almost wondering if Lou spun the story herself…
Meanwhile, PB deleted this post in response to the other story…I tweeted her as to why.
Carmela says:
Your comment is awaiting moderation.
December 6, 2009 at 11:26 am
PB, I hope you don’t mind but misinformation drives me crazy and TMZ’s manipulation goes too far in my opinion. I think people have a right to know some things and weigh it for themselves.
Ribbontie. Adnan is already free. He was scheduled for an early release of Dec. 12th when he was booked on Nov. 20. He was released on the evening of Dec. 3. The LA Sheriff’s department offers a free alert email on the release on inmates. Proof that he is free: (link to sheriff’s office)
Why has TMZ concealed this from you?
The last court date in the conservatorship hearing was about accounting. Accounting is a regularly scheduled event to approve atty’s fees and expenses. It was continued from 12/3.
The next court date is 11/22/09. Geraldine Wyle wants to reseal some documents and hide them from the public. ok. I think she is also amending that document to amend a deceased Britney into a living one.
There are no other motions. There have been no new documents filed since 11/6. There has been no activity in the visitation/custody case since September before Australia.
I would love to believe that Harvey is telling the truth. If not then what’s the agenda here and who stands to make the most money? I would be more inclined to buy merchandise such as Fantasy, Curious, the Singles Collection etc. from a free Britney over a bird in a cage. (Elle magazine)
One wonders why Elle isn’t retailing Britney’s cover in stores but only sending it to subscribers through the mail.
Verify the lack of activity in the court cases here: (link to Los Angeles Superior Court
Case No. BP108870 (conservatorship)
Case No. BD455662 (K-Fed, Kaplan v.
Britney/Conservatorship visitation v. custody)
I think Harvey has an agenda. Remember he was talking about the c-ship ending before … but in the same breath he said that Britney was going back to the crazy side and that’s what the convervatorship was looking at. To me he was already writing a story line for the convervatorship ending by Britney’s birthday, then to Christmas while setting us up for why the conservatorship wasn’t ended. http://wp.me/px8ZX-9u That’s TMZ doing the set up on Britney and all of us.
Thank you, PoorBritney.
December 6th, 2009 at 3:41 pm
Fantasy, you are great!
http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2009/12/06/2009-12-06_untitled__06sides.html
December 6th, 2009 at 3:50 pm
Looks like she IS still the family spokesperson:
“Spears spokeswoman Louise Taylor denies anyone in the family is talking and tells us: “We’re not commenting on Courtney Love, or any aliens who might come to Earth to impregnate people.”
December 6th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 5th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
Team of professionals = Dr. Phil and …?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Good eye! Imagine if Dr. Phil was behind all of that?
There’s still a story hidden behind that whole scenario…But we’re getting closer and closer. Maybe.
December 6th, 2009 at 3:56 pm
Amapola Says:
December 5th, 2009 at 7:26 pm
Who had the ability to emotionally break down Britney so completely?
It was not Lynne Spears.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I don’t think it was Kevin Federline, either. That’s giving him too much credit. IMO.
To me, it was like dominoes falling – one thing happening after another. No one person, and no one event responsible for any of it. Just a building of pressure over the course of a number of years.
December 6th, 2009 at 3:58 pm
What happened to Adnan is a completely different story. In that case, one person IS behind it all (but working with a team).
From what I can see, at least.
December 6th, 2009 at 4:04 pm
http://gawker.com/5420035/britney-spears-molested-a-girl-according-to-her-hotmess-courtney-love
“…Unnamed Spears family member…”- Gawker.com
CL said 2 Spears women (she did say they are female, correct?) had contacted her. If this family member isn’t one of the well known Lynne’s,
such as Lynne herself, Jamie-Lynn, or even Laura Lynn, then I don’t think this Spears person’s story will carry much weight. Especially now that they’re saying that this person has been paid.
December 6th, 2009 at 4:05 pm
Pffft!
From the CNN transcript:
“LEVIN: Well, look, I can`t tell you whether she is a danger to herself or others. That is a legal standard and that`s something a court has to decide and I`m not Dr. Phil…”
December 6th, 2009 at 4:07 pm
Yes. It does say in Gawker that the person is a female but her named wasn’t (or maybe won’t be) released to the public. That’s my understanding.
December 6th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
Sorry, the Levin comment was made a year before the 5150’s – during the rehab era. That’s what made it funny to me.
December 6th, 2009 at 4:56 pm
Yes, Steel. It was a year before like Feb. 2007 but it was like showing someone a draft of the script.
PB says that two others say their posts disappeared and to repost from my jfxonline account.
Good thing that’s not a secret.
People read here. You never know who.
December 6th, 2009 at 5:08 pm
I’m starting to lost with all these initials. lol
December 6th, 2009 at 5:09 pm
Typo. I’m starting to GET lost by using all these initials. lol
No worries. I’ll figure it out eventually.
December 6th, 2009 at 5:09 pm
Poor Britney.
December 6th, 2009 at 5:17 pm
From the CNN transcript:
Aired February 21, 2007 – 23:00:00 ET
“ANDERSON: Very quickly, Harvey, ten seconds, could this behavior hurt her going forward in this custody battle in a decision by a judge?
LEVIN: Of course it could. I mean, if Britney Spears has a substance abuse problem, that goes to her fitness as a mother, and that absolutely could have an impact.”
vs.
June 29, 2007
http://socialitelife.celebuzz.com/archive/2007/06/29/wait_a_sec.php
December 6th, 2009 at 6:06 pm
Alright. I do really like PB and we are talking so that is VERY cool.
ok, Steel, let me go find that part about Kevin sending in a statement about his activities (or lack there of). It gets interesting.
The script played out from there as planned, even if Anderson etc., were guessing, hypothesizing or putting sound bytes into our minds.
December 6th, 2009 at 6:15 pm
This transcript is interesting. It backs up what Dennis said in his book that Britney was unhappy about the K-Fed skit early on.
http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0611/22/sbt.01.html
It moves on to the sex tape, whether it exists, and what bargaining chips K-Fed has if there isn’t a sex tape. Levin labels Britney a party girl and she partied with Kevin.
Sound byte one: Britney is a party girl.
11/22/06 …now we just need to show the world that says punyman. It was Dennis by the way who edited my post on Amanda Knox.
Steel, I got something the other day from Fantasy and it had so many initials I felt dumb. lol.
December 6th, 2009 at 6:21 pm
From the same link.
ANDERSON: Harsh, but kind of funny, right?
Well, the K-Fed look-alike got packed up, shipped out and then dumped into the ocean. And he was a “no-hit wonder.”
Well, just after that, Britney popped onto the stage — a surprise visit to present the award for Best Soul R&B Artist. Boy, a little bit awkward there.
Kimmel says he went through with it because Brit and K-Fed have a great sense of humor. Well, we can tell you that apparently — that apparently is not the case. Because we`re hearing that Britney is peeved – - big time, furious at the K-Fed skit.
So, how furious?
Well, with us tonight from Glendale, California, our good friend Harvey Levin, the managing editor of TMZ.com, which broke the news about Britney.
Now, Harvey, I used the word “peeved.” But apparently that doesn`t begin to describe how upset Britney was, right?
——-
Britney was a “surprise” guest?
December 6th, 2009 at 6:22 pm
…
Anderson: .. So why do you think she would be so upset by this?
LEVIN: I think it has to do with the kids. I mean, we broke a story yesterday that basically, they came together; he really wanted to see the kids while she was out there. So they were trying to make some kind of private arrangements. And it was the first kind of glimmer of a truce in this. And — you know, it made it look like she was kind of putting her stamp on this kind of Kevin-bashing skit on national TV. And she just did not want that.
December 6th, 2009 at 6:54 pm
http://teamkevin.blogspot.com/2006/11/pics-kevin-comedy-routine-at-amas.html
Pics of the K-Fed/Fed-Ex comedy skit on the AMA’s.
There was video of the skit on this site but it was removed.
December 6th, 2009 at 7:10 pm
Wow. http://www.britneyaddiction.com/2009/12/conservatorship-facts-tmzs-manipulation.html
December 6th, 2009 at 7:30 pm
Wow, thanks Fantasy. That really does look like him and that wasn’t the kind of box I imagined.
Otherwise… it’s funny how some of MT’s videos disappear like that cartoon with the earrings.
December 6th, 2009 at 9:02 pm
Psycho?! lol
http://www.breatheheavy.com/index.php?subaction=showfull&id=1260142794&archive=&start_from=&ucat=&
December 6th, 2009 at 9:14 pm
courtesy of BritneyAddiction
http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/people/kfed-tells-his-side-of-the-story-20091207-kdo1.html
December 6th, 2009 at 9:59 pm
wow. Wow. WOOOOOOW.
December 6th, 2009 at 10:31 pm
?
December 6th, 2009 at 10:57 pm
Sorry…Dude seems to forget why he’s famous in the first place.
December 6th, 2009 at 11:06 pm
Who’s lying?
??? bold
December 6th, 2009 at 11:30 pm
Kevin not wanting to talk about Brit is like Paris Hilton or Kim Kardashian not wanting to talk about their sex tapes, I mean that is what made you famous because it is not as if you are legitimate star in your own right.
As long outlets continue to make an effort to talk to Kevin, he will continue to believe he is a star. He has no music or acting career. The media should just ignore him.
Going back to TMZ, once again AM- another great piece analyzing/criticzing Levin. Levin’s prediction that the conservatorship may end in a month has no basis in fact. There has no been no activity in the conservatorship aside from the usual accouting hearings as AM has noted. I see no need to speculate as to when the conservatorship will end, when papers are filed in court everyone will know.
I went to the Califonia Judicial Council website to find the petition and order forms needed to terminate a conservatorship. I did not find that form but I did not find the forms to terminate a guardianship which is the equivalent of a conservatorship for children.
Here are the forms-
http://www.courtinfo.ca.gov/forms/fillable/gc255.pdf
http://www.courtinfo.ca.gov/forms/fillable/gc260.pdf
It seems to me to be a very simple process. It could happen tomorrow or two months from now.
December 6th, 2009 at 11:46 pm
My guess is that papers won’t be filed until the final album is in the can and all the promises made in her contract are fulfilled.
Harvey is just reading from the script he was provided with. IMO.
December 6th, 2009 at 11:58 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 4th, 2009 at 6:01 pm
‘Mr. Levin has schooled his dozens of employees in a mashed-up form of journalism. Rule No. 1: some news buttons can’t be hit often enough.
“Britney is gold, she is crack to our readers,” Mr. Levin said. “Her life is a complete train-wreck and I thank God for her every day.”‘
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
So I wonder when, exactly, it was that Harvey started receiving the script in his inbox?
When did TMZ actually come on to the radar in terms of tabloid journalism? What had they accomplished by the time of B being shipped off to rehab?
What a strange item to include in an “updated” July 2009 article when it was about TMZ breaking the Michael Jackson story.
December 7th, 2009 at 12:00 am
Oops, forget that last sentence. That was a poor copy and paste on my part.
December 7th, 2009 at 12:02 am
So…
Was B aware that there was a “script” that was being followed?
Is it maybe not that odd that she specifically requested that X17 deliver a special message to her management?
http://www.x17online.com/celebrities/britney_spears/britney_talks_x17_xclusive_its_my_time-04132007.php
December 7th, 2009 at 12:15 am
“On November 7, 2006, TMZ.com was the first to report that pop-singer Britney Spears had filed a petition for divorce from then-husband Kevin Federline.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TMZ.com
“[When asked if TMZ.com pays sources] No, we don’t, we don’t pay sources, we pay for a couple of things, we pay for video, we pay for photos which frankly everybody does and we will pay a tip fee. We very rarely do it, but we do pay a tip fee, if we pay a tip fee [....] — Harvey Levin”
December 7th, 2009 at 2:11 am
“Steel_Magnolia Says:
December 6th, 2009 at 3:56 pm
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I don’t think it was Kevin Federline, either. That’s giving him too much credit. IMO.
To me, it was like dominoes falling – one thing happening after another. No one person, and no one event responsible for any of it. Just a building of pressure over the course of a number of years.”
*****************
This is not what I know about Kevin Fedeline and Britney Spears marriage, that’s what I think has happened.
The deep emotional commitment that Britney had in relation to Kevin Federline = Deep love and passion. Also her longing to consolidate that love with much-awaited childs, was the reason to, that Kevin Federline, who perhaps hoped that he would eventually have some feelings for Britney, but never felt any deep feelings for her, made it possible for him to completely destroy her emotional life and crush her.
She is not the first who reacted that way. Many subsiding when they realize their love is unanswered and that the marriage was only a forgery.
If he had loved her, as she loved him, would her emotional life had been stable and her happiness over her husband and children had healed all old wounds.
This happens with all who know love and can feel the love reply.
None other than Kevin Federline had the emotional power to a total crush her life.
I understand you at all costs want to shrink Kevin Federline responsibility, and you know what I think about his behavior.
It is interesting that I only need to say something unfavorable about Kevin Federline, you are immediately here as a knight on a white horse to his defense.
I do not say he is in every situation is a bad man, but in this situation, with all possibilities he saw, he could not let it be.
He took the chance.
I only do wish that people start talking about his love for her, because there was no love, ever.
And about 12:am
Sands? Mintz? Sounds like a job from them.
Rumors are published continuously in the media, but it seems that this came from one source, which for TMZ was reliable.
December 7th, 2009 at 2:15 am
http://www.tmz.com/2009/12/07/britney-spears-conservatorship-conservator-jamie-spears-sam-lutfi-capacity-expert-psychiatrist-conservatorship-conservators%20%20%20
Britney’s Road To Freedom
December 7th, 2009 at 2:18 am
Britney Spears’ team has taken the first step toward ending the conservatorship, TMZ has learned … but it’s by no means a done deal.
Sources tells us lawyers and others connected with the case have been meeting … evaluating Britney’s progress with the goal of ending the conservatorship. As we first reported, Britney’s dad, Jamie Spears, wanted to wait until her tour ended before making the big move, but it’s something he wants for his daughter only when the time is right.
We know there have been several lengthy meetings recently between the lawyers and the court commissioner in the commissioner’s chambers.
Jamie and the lawyers will not make the decision to end the conservatorship. They will weigh in, but the person with all the influence is the “capacity expert” — a psychiatrist who was appointed by the court. The capacity expert will do a thorough evaluation and submit it to the commissioner.
We’re told one of the fears Jamie has … Sam Lutfi, a guy Jamie thinks is still a threat to Britney if she allows him back in her life. He’s got that right.
There are actually two conservatorships — one over Britney, the person, and the other over Britney’s business affairs. We’re told the business conservatorship will likely continue. The issue on the table is whether to end the conservatorship over Britney, the person. Again, no decisions have been made, but it’s all moving in that direction.
Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2009/12/07/britney-spears-conservatorship-conservator-jamie-spears-sam-lutfi-capacity-expert-psychiatrist-conservatorship-conservators%20%20%20#ixzz0YytDD0QE
December 7th, 2009 at 2:33 am
Any West coasters out there who are still awake?
Question 1.
Since when have psychiatrists become known also as capacity experts?
Question 2.
TMZ is saying that Jamie and the lawyers will not make the decision to end the conservatorship. Well, why can’t they? Or better yet, why won’t they? Isn’t that how it works? That’s what I read. Jamie could file a petition with the court seeking to terminate the c-ship. Then an evidentiary hearing would be set and they’d take it from there. Again, this is what I’ve read.
Question 3.
Jamie’s been in control of Britney’s person and partially of her estate for nearly 2 years. So why give up the power of deciding to end any part of the c-ship solely to some court appointed capacity expert/ psychiatrist?
This sounds awfully odd. Or maybe I just don’t fully understand how they are going about bringing the conservatorship to a close.
Thoughts? Anyone.
December 7th, 2009 at 2:58 am
Fantasy I thought the same too. I’m confused.
I know most here want her money/estate to be under a c-ship, but I think it sucks that you work your ass off and can’t spend your money as you please. I guess daddy will still get paid after the c-ship over Britney is lifted. If it’s lifted. Just my opinion.
December 7th, 2009 at 3:23 am
Here’s my 2 cents and then I’m taking my ass to bed. If it were me I’d say ALL OR NOTHING.
No partial c-ship. If they don’t/can’t end both parts of the conservatorship then keep things just as it is today.
December 7th, 2009 at 8:06 am
im going to get a tshirt with that comment on it! 2 1 for Brit 1 for her cousin!noones heard of this publicist before cos noone would be so sadistic in the pr world as to touch Britney while this shit goes down!”lou ” the REPUTABLE publicist.
5 hours ago
Courtney Love Cobain
December 7th, 2009 at 8:10 am
i love that comment! shit in the past month ive sat wth the President , in the past 3 months a President has kissed me and lets see hmm, i went to Sting and Trudys “Twin Spririts “wonderful Schullman letters event and sat with my dearest friend Stipe tonight, not that the names matter, but i didnt see ONE alien impregenating ANYONE!
5 hours ago
Courtney Love Cobain
(Sorry I’m pasteing out of order. This one was 1st and the other is 2nd.)
December 7th, 2009 at 8:13 am
i also didnt see Britney spears anywhere, methinks its certainly not cos shes on “tour” all the time, methinks and knows that poor child is on lockdown and has no friends im lucky enough that i have friends, lou will be gone in 20 seconds the minute the chains come off
5 hours ago
Courtney Love Cobain
(3rd reply)
December 7th, 2009 at 8:15 am
GROSS HARVEY
4 hours ago
Courtney Love Cobain
That’s her response to TMZ’s c-ship end story
December 7th, 2009 at 9:30 am
“The capacity expert will do a thorough evaluation and submit it to the commissioner.
We’re told one of the fears Jamie has … Sam Lutfi, a guy Jamie thinks is still a threat to Britney if she allows him back in her life. He’s got that right.”
Wow. Nothing like announced to the WORLD that this might happen.
So now they could still:
a/ Back off on it if Lutfi makes a false move (and what constitutes a fale move? Going to Starbucks? Happening by a gas station? Making the mistake of eating some Cheetos?)
b) Change their minds if the “capacity expert” determines Brit’s still not well?
This is just further proof that Jamie’s camp gives TMZ scoops.
December 7th, 2009 at 9:44 am
Courtney Love Cobain “the person”
5 hours ago
December 7th, 2009 at 9:45 am
Courtney Love Cobain “the Private Bank of California”
5 hours ago
December 7th, 2009 at 9:52 am
http://www.tpboc.com/
December 7th, 2009 at 9:54 am
“im going to get a tshirt with that comment on it! 2 1 for Brit 1 for her cousin!”
Would that be Ali, or Laura Lynn?
December 7th, 2009 at 10:28 am
Besides, doesn’t Lutfi have a 3-year restraining order on him? How is he now an actual threat?
December 7th, 2009 at 10:48 am
St. Mag.-
I believe that they fear that Britney may drop the restraining order(s) once the conservatorship is lifted. That’s a major concern. I would not be shocked to learn that if the c-ship is terminated that there will be certain stipulations. Such as, if she drops any of the 3 PRO’s it will affect her visitation with the kids and or negatively impact her chances for regaining any sort of custody of the kids.
December 7th, 2009 at 10:57 am
I wonder what she’ll do first once the c-ship is lifted? I wouldn’t be shocked if she lawyered up.
December 7th, 2009 at 11:33 am
I get so frustrated with TMZ because they never explain the whole story fully and there most recent story is another example.
First, the way the conservatorship has always worked from the beginning is that the conservators as the court to end it or continue it and the judge taking into account all of Brit’s medical/psychiatric information makes decision.
All the conservators can do is ask the court to do something and the judge can say “yes” or “no”. Why is TMZ acting like this is news.
2) There is no such thing as a “capacity expert”. There are however, psychiatrists whose job is to evaluate people under conservatorship to see if they have the capacity to be on their own. I’m pretty sure a “capacity expert” two years ago, deemed Brit unfit to manage her personal life and affairs.
3) I still do believe Lutfi is a threat but I also believe that even if Lutfi was not in the picture; there is always a possiblity that she could hook up with someone just like him.
In any event, I do not trust Lutfi to honor the terms of the PRO. He does not have to contact her directly, he could always use a third person such as x-17 or his sister to get his message across. Kevin can insist that Lutfi or people like him can’t be around the children but he can not control who she sees when the children are not around.
3)Levin has no idea what the lawyers discussed in the judge’s chambers so any assertion to that effect is false. For all we know they could have been discussing attorney fees.
4) I believe the conservatorship should be all or nothing but some people will say “half bread is better than no bread” so there you go.
December 7th, 2009 at 11:52 am
Amapola Says:
December 7th, 2009 at 2:11 am
I understand you at all costs want to shrink Kevin Federline responsibility, and you know what I think about his behavior.
It is interesting that I only need to say something unfavorable about Kevin Federline, you are immediately here as a knight on a white horse to his defense.
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I’ve been thinking about how to reply to this…
I think I just need to put it another way…
If I seem as if I’m defending Kevin, I’m doing so in relation to the topic of the conservatorship itself.
I don’t think Britney found herself in a conservatorship because of anything Kevin did. If we all “lost our minds” and then “lost our rights” because of a broken heart, I’d have been put under a conservatorship myself a couple of times over by now.
Britney is under a conservatorship because she made a LOT of bad decisions on her own – such as repeatedly violating court orders, breaking laws, and engaging in behaviour that was so bad that the police had to get involved. I’m sure she got to that point (in part) because of a broken heart, but she had many, many opportunities to prove she could think rationally in spite of her emotions. However, she allowed her emotions to control her so badly that she eventually lost custody of her own children. When it gets to that point, it’s pretty bad! A good mother would NOT do that! (And by that, I mean she got to the point where she was so mentally unwell that she was unable to properly care for her boys. And no matter what, their welfare is more important than anything. IMO.) Sure, she was up against some high-powered lawyers (and possibly some of her own family members working against her), but if she had’ve made some better decisions she still would’ve been able to prevail. Instead, she played right into their hands.
I think Kevin is a douchebag. No doubt about it. But to me, that’s old news. When it comes to present day – to the conservatorship, and what’s happened to Adnan – I don’t think we can really blame Kevin that much. He’s just a bit player in the grand scheme of things.
I bit player collecting a fat paycheque…Or a fat player collecting a bit paycheque. However you want to look at it.
December 7th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
QB. About TROs. Doesn’t a judge have to decide a) whether to grant one and b) decide to renege on one? In other words, B could petition but be turned down?
About capacity. It was Sam Ingham who visited Britney unexpectedly (per Adam Streisand) at UCLA on a Sunday. It was Ingham who decided she lacked capacity to understand the proceedings and therefore lacked capacity to hire her own attorney. Feb. 4, 2008.
About Courtney. There is unique. I keep hearing that song She Walks Over Me. It smells like girl it smells like girl. I got shut my mouth.
You know Harvey has talked about the c-ship before but I never saw so many sites pick up the video … and then to have the “press release” issued last night. Thanks for that information.
QB. I too have gone looking for forms just to see the process especially what we might see as signs in the case summary. It was horrifying to read what may be done if someone under c-ship and was it also a hold, leaves your home or an institution. A public safety officer (a police man of c’mon) may come and force that person into an institution (it doesn’t have to be the same place) or back. Can you imagine what Britney was threatened with that made her go home with her dad back to the Summit?
Remember all that talk about a therapeutic setting? There was talk of an institution. … I can’t remember who was saying it though.
December 7th, 2009 at 1:38 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 7th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
You know Harvey has talked about the c-ship before but I never saw so many sites pick up the video … and then to have the “press release” issued last night. Thanks for that information.
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Who issued the press release? TMZ?
December 7th, 2009 at 1:43 pm
Never mind. You meant the “press release” posted on their Web site.
December 7th, 2009 at 1:48 pm
Aah. This will never happen.
Prediction: We’re about to get an influx of “Britney’s crazy” stories hitting Perez and TMZ. It will be enough for Jamie to “change his mind” about asking for the “capacity expert” to review her case.
Plus, there will be the obligatory “Adnan’s free” stories, and a couple of “Sam’s plotting” stories, too.
Nope, too dangerous. Better keep her under a conservatorship for a bit longer…Like maybe until after the next tour.
December 7th, 2009 at 3:37 pm
AM-
I think it is totally possible for Brit after the conservatorship to ask the court to withdraw the restraining orders against Adnan or Sam for that matter. I remember a couple years ago there was a female school teacher who had an inappropriate sexual relationship with her male student. The court issued a no contact order. When the the teacher was release from prison, the student now an adult petitioned to have the no contact order withdrawn and the court did it because he wanted to see her.
Brit can do the same thing and say she really did not want the TRO but her conservators thought it was best at the time. Secondly, I do not see how Adnan could get in trouble for seeing/speaking to Brit after the conservatorship if she chooses to see him because someone would have notify the authorities and if Brit does not call the police, they are not going to break the door down and arrest Adnan for a consensual visit.
This is kind of why I think the conservatorship is futile because once free Brit can undo everything the conservators have done.
Going back to your point about forcing someone into an institution, I remember reading something on TMZ in early 2008 about how the conservators wanted to put Brit in some kind of facility similar to a rehab center and Kevin would agree to allow the boys to visit her there but that the conservators did not have authority to do so because theire powers are limited.
Jamie does not have the authority to make medicial decisions on behalf of Brit. He has the power to speak to her doctors and access her medical records but he can’t lock her away in some mental hospital without prior court approval.
December 7th, 2009 at 4:14 pm
Who is the top chef? As a team, we are. Story to come soon.
Knowing that may we turn to why the story is coming out right now?
December 7th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
Give ‘er, AM.
December 7th, 2009 at 4:25 pm
It’s soooo clever the way the story is written. I have to be clever too stating only facts as I know them while thinking stronger words which I will relegate to opinion in conversations.
Top Chef today is QB. I was and others were sous chefs.
Myself I also did a little shopping for a missing ingredient but otherwise chopped and diced here for days.
QB. Thank you for reading my blog. I appreciate feedback.
December 7th, 2009 at 4:44 pm
Adnan was released Dec. 3rd. Yet no mention by any media outlet that Adnan was out.
The story first hit TMZ on TV on what day?
December 7th, 2009 at 4:45 pm
What day did CL start her rants? And it was followed up by two women contacting her on what day?
December 7th, 2009 at 5:01 pm
What provoked CL to begin ranting about that anyways? Clearly she’d talked to our favourite black-hatted buddy, but…What set her off to post that in such a public manner?
It’s funny…We all have different viewpoints here in the cyber world, but all come together to add to the big picture.
And in the real world, the various factions all seem to work together, too. At least that’s the way it appears.
December 7th, 2009 at 5:07 pm
AHA! We’re in for another cooking match.
December 3rd for TMZ.
Wednesday, Dec. 23rd I think for CL. I think the two women contacted her on Thanksgiving?
I wasn’t home or near a computer. It might be documented above in the thread?
December 7th, 2009 at 5:12 pm
It was documented above in the thread. I’m just asking to get everyone on the same wavelength.
December 7th, 2009 at 5:19 pm
Adnan was released Dec. 3rd.
AND
TMZ first announced the lawyers were in court talking about the c-ship ending on…Dec. 3rd.
Interesting.
December 7th, 2009 at 5:20 pm
I wonder what this article coming out of the UK is going to say about Jamie? How bad is it about to get for him?
December 7th, 2009 at 5:40 pm
Harvey Levin TMZ Live
Monday Dec. 7, 2009
Asked why the c-ship of Britney could end but not the c-ship over her estate. Harvey says,” She’s never really cared that much about who runs her money.”
December 7th, 2009 at 6:18 pm
Good golly. Ganja! I meant the CL story ran the eve of Thanksgiving.
Take a toke and pass it on. The story is up.
http://wp.me/px8ZX-iF
I hope there are no major errs.
December 7th, 2009 at 6:19 pm
>>>What set her off to post that in such a public manner?
she “said” she meant to post it on her “private” facebook page.
December 7th, 2009 at 6:23 pm
am, his name is walters, not waters.
December 7th, 2009 at 6:35 pm
eek. Thank you!!!
December 7th, 2009 at 6:58 pm
Fantasy Says:
December 7th, 2009 at 5:40 pm
“…Harvey says,” She’s never really cared that much about who runs her money.”
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If that was the case, why the effort to have a business manager (Grossman) and National Trust named as her conservators during the first round?
However…I can see that if they were to give her an option, she’d chose to eliminate the conservatorship over her person first. That is, if she had to pick between Option A and Option B.
December 7th, 2009 at 7:00 pm
MH Says:
December 7th, 2009 at 6:19 pm
she “said” she meant to post it on her “private” facebook page.
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Even so, her putting her thoughts into words on Facebook was oddly timed.
Or maybe not so oddly timed at all?
December 7th, 2009 at 7:23 pm
CL’s initial rant hit the Net here:
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Amapola Says:
November 25th, 2009 at 10:39 am
O M G !!! Can she really say this???
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What was the date of Brit’s last concert? Nov. 29th.
I wonder if a certain someone has been working behind the scenes in anticipation of the tour ending?
December 7th, 2009 at 7:30 pm
AM, You’ve officially hit the big time:
http://www.breatheheavy.com/index.php?subaction=showfull&id=1260228116&archive=&start_from=&ucat=&
December 7th, 2009 at 7:52 pm
LOL. It’s awesome. Last time I hit the big time the AP got involved.
It’s an awesome write up by Jordan. The “kid” has pluck.
December 7th, 2009 at 7:59 pm
Question…
Which paper out of London was supposedly running the story about JS’s dirty deeds? For some reason I couldn’t track down which paper it was.
Is it possible the story isn’t even real? Just a veiled threat that’s been planted to make JS nervous?
December 7th, 2009 at 8:07 pm
I don’t believe Harvey Levin. I think Brit does care about who runs her money and I do not think she wants to live the rest of her life on an allowance but she is probably desperate for any semblance of freedom that she is willing to sacrifice control of her money.
Keeping the conservatorship over the estate is a very good way for the conservators to keep a control over Brit. Let’s say Brit wants to go to Las Vegas, the conservators could say “Well you do have the right to travel but just know we will be reducing your allowance because of your lifestyle”.
If Brit does what she is told she will get more money if she does not, her allowance will decrease so either way it is a no win situation; she would find out very soon how important money is.
December 7th, 2009 at 8:50 pm
Steel, ‘Which paper out of London was supposedly running the story about JS’s dirty deeds? For some reason I couldn’t track down which paper it was.’
You weren’t supposed to. All part of Lou’s plan. It sounded credible though didn’t it? You and others thought to search. The plan was for you to believe it and to believe oh well if it’s England than it’s shoddy luv.
December 7th, 2009 at 8:56 pm
TMZ Live 12/7/2009 Part 1
4:05-6:43 marks- Ending Britney’s Conservatorship
http://www.tmz.com/tmztv/?mediaKey=714235fb%2D3c2b%2D4f40%2D9bc2%2D0100de3938ac&autoplay=true
December 7th, 2009 at 8:56 pm
QB. Let’s simplify. It’s like sending your child off to college but the money remains your own.
Of course, unless your child is a star or a trust fund baby, the money IS your own.
Do you remember the control parents can have when you’re off exploring life but still under mom/dad because of money?
My parents helped me alot and I am a grateful child but still… so Britney gets to drive her car. Big woot. And Britney gets to drive in a car without Edan but never alone in the car.
Anyone remember Margot Kidder (Lois Lane?). She had a meltdown years ago (very public) and speaks about her bi-polar today but she’s not under a conservatorship, leads a productive life, makes movies and so on.
Meanwhile, it’s interesting to watch those who have media power tonight and I do not mean TMZ. It’s revealing who is pro-fairy tale, c-ship etc. and those who care enough to want to know.
2 cts.
December 7th, 2009 at 11:29 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 7th, 2009 at 8:50 pm
You weren’t supposed to. All part of Lou’s plan. It sounded credible though didn’t it? You and others thought to search. The plan was for you to believe it and to believe oh well if it’s England than it’s shoddy luv.
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I’d had that glimmer of a thought, too – especially because it came out right away that the source was being “paid.” Everyone’s instant reaction, I’m sure, was that, “Oh well, the person can’t be trusted then.”
December 7th, 2009 at 11:32 pm
Yes. Meanwhile.
Britney Addiction picked up the story. http://www.britneyaddiction.com/2009/12/fair-news-spears-proves-tmz-media-false.html
Dream of Britney also picked up the story.
http://www.dreamofbritney.com/2009/12/tmzs-harvey-levin-rotates-celebrity.html
December 7th, 2009 at 11:36 pm
Steel at 11:29. That is so funny: we believe OK and People even though they paid for wedding, baptisms etc. info?
But when it comes to a British (tabloid! Isn’t that what was implied but never said) and someone being paid it’s … what.
I don’t think some others in particular will pick up the story. Did you guy’s see Steve Dennis’s tweet today on Courtney?
SteveDennis71 Finally, Britney has a smart PR: “We’re not commenting on Courtney Love (molestation lies) or any aliens who might come to Earth” about 5 hours ago from web.
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December 7th, 2009 at 11:41 pm
IMO, Lou handled the whole molestation thing exactly like a good PR flak should’ve.
I’ll say right now, I don’t know that I believe the claims. I think SL has fed that into CL’s head, and that cousin AS has swooped in to back up the claim.
However…I do think that maybe…just maybe…JS was such a damned nasty drunk that he just can’t remember *what* he did half the time. And I think he’s scared of that. I’m guessing that he doesn’t quite know what B has accused him of…That he thinks or knows there’s video or audio out there of her talking about it.
I’m listening to Harvey right now…And he’s right about SL. But I don’t think that’s any reason not to remove the conservatorship over the person. You can’t deprive a person of their freedoms for a reason such as that.
December 7th, 2009 at 11:42 pm
I gotta agree with Steve on that one. That WAS smart PR.
December 7th, 2009 at 11:43 pm
What I’m saying is, she’s good at her job. Real good.
Too good.
And one day it might just bite her in the ass.
December 7th, 2009 at 11:46 pm
I think it is clear that if Brit had no money there would be no conservatorship. I get the feeling that because of Brit’s past instability there is no way they will allow her to control her millions.
To play devil’s advocate, the conservators probably don’t believe or are not convinced that Brit can overcome any undue influence and because of that they fear some guy like Lutfi could come and steal all of her money; everything she has worked for.
Can you imagine if Brit had given Lutfi power of attorney while in the midst of her mental breakdown, he could have stolen millions. The only reason why Lutfi did not gain access to Brit’s fortune is because her business manager controlled the purse strings.
There is no doubt that money is control. If it took two years to end the conservatorship of the person, how long will it take the end the conservatorship of the estate another 2 years.
Also, if Brit is deemed capable of managing her own life, could she then hire her own attorney to attack the conservatorship over the estate which would be very interesting since she could not pay the attorney fees because she does not control her own money.
December 8th, 2009 at 12:44 am
Interesting,
‘Also, if Brit is deemed capable of managing her own life, could she then hire her own attorney to attack the conservatorship over the estate which would be very interesting since she could not pay the attorney fees because she does not control her own money.’
I don’t know where the judge’s table is but you remain today’s Top Chef. To me anyway.
December 8th, 2009 at 11:22 am
Steel. Do you think China is far enough? http://britneychina.cn/bbs/read.php?tid=17234
http://translate.google.com/#zh-CN|en|
December 8th, 2009 at 11:34 am
My lord.
If you weren’t on their radar before, you will be now. lol
December 8th, 2009 at 11:35 am
Keep going international, AM. Then you’ll really watch it snowball.
December 8th, 2009 at 11:58 am
Thanks, Steel. lol, when we were talking about outside press … that’s just plain fascinating that it’s China. It’s symbolic given history of their country.
Meanwhile, TMZ is popping up in all the “right” places such as NBC news etc.
How to reach mainstream news…the story is so easy to fact check…
December 8th, 2009 at 1:32 pm
One blog at a time. Drops in a bucket. Does it do any good to refute TMZ? Well we will see I guess, one comment at a time to the TMZ story out there. I hope everybody is having a good day.
December 8th, 2009 at 2:18 pm
Fantasy. Didn’t you think this too was an odd picture from the Elle shots?
http://www.gimmebritney.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/5602spearsellelr120209.jpg
She’s in her “uniform” including the glasses. She’d of looked more in place and with the scene in jeans or such …
It’s an uncomfortable picture to look at. It’s also an overwhelming amount of glitz on the birthday side of things…and who was supposed to have baked those cupcakes? There is a canister of sugar open as well as a bag in the back. It’s messy looking. What strikes you as odd?
When did these pictures first start appearing and within what time of CL’s facebook claims?
December 8th, 2009 at 2:41 pm
AM, I know you addressed that to Fantasy, but…
The photog was trying to make a statement, I think.
I love the shots. They say a lot.
December 8th, 2009 at 2:52 pm
Hi everyone!
The Elle pics were first seen (by me at least) the week of B’s birthday. Entertainment Tonight had the pics and cover first. Then the Elle.com story went up days later.
Every picture in Elle says something to me.
A caged bird in blue. Perhaps also feels blue at times? Superstar mom all glamed up and playing the part, even when she’s with her kids. She is always “on”. I also see her distancing herself from the camera. Hiding behind the sunglasses. Pulling the sheet nearly across her entire face while one of the boys plays in her bed.
Every shot speaks to me. I only wonder how involved Britney was with the theme of the shots or the concept of the shots taken. And also, what did the pics look like that didn’t make the mag?
December 8th, 2009 at 3:11 pm
Steel. I do want your input on the pics. I didn’t know if you would be interested.
What does anyone think of the menagerie? They might have used real animals or no animals but they used animals. Fake and unbelievable animals or large toys like nothing is quite real. What is the point it is trying to make? I mean, it would be a weird life right be to a bird in the cage “at her home” on the lawn with this odd …. fakery outside of it?
About the sunglasses, I don’t think she is hiding from the camera. I think uniform is more like it, being dressed up and in glasses even in front of her kid?
And for the distance she would go to for the younger son who was practically a baby at the time, she’s paid and paid?
December 8th, 2009 at 3:30 pm
What do I see in the photos?
Even the zoo animals have more freedom than she does.
She’s on display, to be ogled and stared at. Caged like an animal. A show pony.
She just wants to be a mom, but can’t be. Her job as a glamorous pop star puts a distance between her and her boys.
Nothing is sacred. The public is invited into her bedroom. All she has to hide behind is a thin sheet.
December 8th, 2009 at 3:43 pm
Good points. And the zoo animals being in a line like they are moving forward?
December 8th, 2009 at 3:55 pm
Is it odd that Perez hasn’t carried the story? He gave plenty of room to K-Fed, OK Australia magazine and he wasn’t mean either.
December 8th, 2009 at 5:00 pm
The other Elle photo that struck me the most was the one of Britney wearing the white wedding dress and holding Jayden as Preston looks on.
At a first glance it looks like she’s on an island somewhere. Did you notice the palm tree? It reminds me of what she said in FTR. She wanted to be on an island far away with her man and her boys. All that’s missing in the photo is “the man”. Britney did not do an interview for Elle so maybe she just used the photos to speak for her.
December 8th, 2009 at 6:18 pm
Fantasy. Do you think it’s odd that in the “first interview” Britney supposedly did that she and the boys were dressed similarly? killthelights probably has the scans from the OK issue.
I remember wondering why she looked dressed up for a wedding… a sibling of mine though she was dressed up for communion. Don’t ask.
December 8th, 2009 at 6:22 pm
http://www.britneyaddiction.com/2009/12/ba-rant-britney-spears-is.html
p.s. Fantasy and Small, you might have guessed I had a little help if you saw the addition to the TMZ article:
Think that I might back down but I won’t
Think that I might have doubts but I don’t
No insecurities, won’t you just let me, let me be?
Think that you know me now but you don’t
Think that I can’t stand on my own
It ain’t my philosophy,
Won’t you just let me, let me be?
By the way, I didn’t arrange for how they would appear on the site. If you click on them it goes back to the “smothering picture.” Freaky but cool.
December 8th, 2009 at 6:24 pm
Do you mean August 2008 OK magazine? This pic?
http://www.killthelights.org/displayimage.php?album=7405&pos=9
Tuxedos for the boys. Britney in a white dress.
I couldn’t find the cover pic w/ both B & the kids.
December 8th, 2009 at 6:29 pm
Wow. Now the kids are wearing bow ties, white shirts, and black pants. Why the recurring theme?
Maybe she just likes to see the boys dressed nicely. Nothing wrong with that.
http://www.pinkisthenewblog.com/2009/12/first-look-britney-spears-for-elle-magazine/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+pinkisthenewblog+(Pink+is+the+New+Blog+%7C+Everybody’s+Business+Is+My+Business)
December 8th, 2009 at 6:50 pm
Or are we just supposed to think she’s happy all the time?
Weddings equal happiness.
Therefore, tuxedos and white dresses equal happiness?
December 8th, 2009 at 7:33 pm
Sorry to bring this up again. About the c-ship…
Okay, so if the “capacity expert” aka psychiatrist finds that Britney now has the mental capacity that she needs to be able to handle her personal affairs and reports his/her finding to the judge then the judge will make a decision as to whether to terminate the c-ship.
I don’t get it. I don’t think it’s because I don’t understand things well. But it’s because of HOW, yes how, TMZ wrote about how Britney’s team is taking the steps to ending her conservatorship.
If the “expert” basically says, “She’s better. Go ahead and the begin the process of eliminating the c-ship of her person.” There will still need to be someone who will file a petition with the Court to end it. And that person most likely will have to be Jamie Spears.
But I was thinking too that if the “expert” finds that B is a capable person, etc., then Britney could be the one who files a petition to end it. But she needs to have the judge and expert agree as well as receive the assistance of Samuel Ingham. But as of now she “lacks the capacity”. So again, it IS up to Jamie to file the papers.
Anyway, TMZ/Harvey was extremely careful and clever in the way they wrote about things. They stated that Jamie will just let everything be up to the capacity expert and later, the judge. But it doesn’t eliminate the fact that someone will have to petition the court for the removal.
Sorry for sounding repetitive at times.
QB, does what I said make sense to you?
December 8th, 2009 at 7:45 pm
As of now no one has filed papers of any kind to remove the conservatorship.
My understanding is that all parties involved (Jamie, Andrew Wallet, Ingham, M.V. Kaplan, Laura Wasser, and so on) are all discussing things amongst themselves for now as they wait for the experts to report his/her finding to the judge.
So if all is good will the judge give the green light to Jamie to go ahead and file the petition or will the judge rule that the c-ship should be terminated or carry on as it is?
That’s also what I didn’t get. Who is able to do what and when and how? But I understand now. It was just worded so strangely to me in the TMZ report. I’m not confused anymore.
Btw, I don’t like the term “capacity expert”.
December 8th, 2009 at 7:51 pm
“Jamie and the lawyers will not make the decision to end the conservatorship. They will weigh in, but the person with all the influence is the “capacity expert” — a psychiatrist who was appointed by the court. The capacity expert will do a thorough evaluation and submit it to the commissioner.”
This is the paragraph that threw me off a bit.
December 8th, 2009 at 7:59 pm
Remember that despite gaining some “respect” for their coverage on Michael Jackson that TMZ is tabloid journalism.
Always was, always will be.
You believe there is a capacity expert. You believe there is a psychiatrist who is there right now to determine Britney’s ability?
It’s easy to get drawn in. Do you remember when not so long ago we were here talking about Britney and her compulsive shopping ways, as though it were fact?
Remember I got mad at myself for falling for it, beginning to participate even in the conversation?
Behold TMZ’s “skill.”
Now would be a good time, MT.
You’re a better juke master.
December 8th, 2009 at 8:02 pm
“Remember I got mad at myself for falling for it, beginning to participate even in the conversation?”
Oh, we all get sucked into that. Over. And. Over.
LOL
December 8th, 2009 at 8:05 pm
Not around? ok, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhRMeiyret0
Love stinks. What, who, TMZ lie?
December 8th, 2009 at 8:07 pm
TMZ’s time of line events seems weird to me based on my knowledge of how legal proceedings work.
First, it would make sense to me that Jamie would file a petition first to end the conservatorship if he thinks she is well-now Jamie is no expert but he does spend alot of time with her and the court will give a great deal of weight to what he has to say.
Second, the judge receives the petition and sets a hearing date in the future. Next, the judge asks the psychiatrist to report his findings. Third, judge reviews the psychiatric report and other evidence and makes a ruling.
TMZ’s version of events is backwards because according to them, the psychiatrist will examine Brit first and evaluate her capacity and then only if the psychiatrist deems her fit will the conservators move ahead and file papers to end the conservatorship. So, if the psychiatrist says “no, Brit is still unfit” the conservatorship will continue as is.
Normally if you want the court to do something, you make a motion or petition and then the court starts ordering evaluations, reports etc. So TMZ is wrong in the sense that the conservators are not planning to end the conservatorship at least not in a real sense, they just want an expert opinion as to her current status and will move forward if the report is positive so basically nothing major has happened.
December 8th, 2009 at 8:09 pm
Maybe it wasn’t the “wedding dress” of the Elle shoot but … something was being conveyed there.
http://www.ivillage.com/britney-spears-first-interview-two-years/1-a-28419
I thought it was a strange wardrobe selection for Britney’s first interview in to years.
December 8th, 2009 at 8:09 pm
two
December 8th, 2009 at 8:26 pm
The photos from the OK! article look really laid back…Almost as if they’re candids. (Compare them to the Elle photos – big difference in styling, hair and make-up!)
December 8th, 2009 at 8:28 pm
Weren’t the most recent Elle photos as re-shoot anyways?
http://www.poorbritney.com/blog/?p=7646
Something’s fishy with this whole scenario.
December 8th, 2009 at 8:31 pm
It would be interesting to track down the photog’s name for the Sept. 09 issue of OK! vs. the Dec. 09 issue of Elle. Just out of curiosity.
December 8th, 2009 at 8:33 pm
QB. Well said.
I kind of think that MT’s cartoon from a while back was pointed not at the newcomers but to someone/something else, un-TMZ related. I apologize just as a person here for questions we all had back then. You have proven your weight, independent voice (it just initially sounded like someone else and that someone was unwanted).
Anyway, your argument makes sense. It’s logical. Plus I question why three psychiatrists were on payroll (the best that millionaires can buy) the last time we were informed and none them knows still if she has capacity? Are you kidding?
From Twitter:
FairNewsSpears. TMZ has misrepresented Brit having custody from near onset. Now some ppl want to pretend that TMZ wouldn’t play w/conservatorship reporting? less than 10 seconds ago from web
December 8th, 2009 at 8:34 pm
Steel. I can’t ignore the children’s tuxedos and you are way up north with torque head. What do you know about living in heat.
Anyway, the kids shoes off is like after the event.
December 8th, 2009 at 8:35 pm
Great. Numerous typos on that one. Hey. Courtney is cleaning up, why not I?
December 8th, 2009 at 8:37 pm
Torque head?!
LOL
December 8th, 2009 at 8:38 pm
Did I miss the cartoon? I don’t remember it.
December 8th, 2009 at 8:44 pm
Earrings? Oh you might have missed it. It had to do with reward. The vid has disappeared. I ref’d it yesterday … Torque head or toque head?
December 8th, 2009 at 8:48 pm
I’ve definitely had toque head…That’s what happens when you pull off your hat and your hair is formed to the shape of the hat. Add a bit of static and the look is HAWT.
Torque head? That’s probably just my every day state of mind. Ha ha.
December 8th, 2009 at 11:19 pm
Did it make CNN, too?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34318030/ns/entertainment-gossip/
December 9th, 2009 at 12:28 am
Ama…
Just thinking…If I were to projectile myself back into 2005/2006, I would definitely be agreeing with you on your K-Fed views.
But 2007 is a different era for me. It became all about strategics (Brit vs. lawyers and courts – and the lawyers and courts won)…Then 2008/2009 has been a different era yet again (Brit vs. the conservatorship).
I just tend to think very rationally when it comes to the law and courts…There’s no room for emotion in it. Sadly.
In everyday life I probably think more like this…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeSgYR-zaxQ
December 9th, 2009 at 1:35 am
You’ll like this one, AM:
“A psychiatrist will rule if Britney Spears can look after herself yet. In the mean time, why don’t we just send her on a mentally soothing worldwide stadium tour?
…Not likely to change is Jamie’s role as the brains behind Britney’s business operations. This means production can continue on beloved fragrances like Fantasy, Midnight Fantasy, Cheetos Fantasy, Shirts-As-Dresses Fantasy and Fantasy For Men That Are Gay without fear that Britney will actually exercise some control over any aspect of it.
I still can’t believe this is legal. The way the lawyers are stretching the legal system here is so shady it reminds me of that Angelina Jolie movie The Changeling, except I can stay awake during it.
Conservatorships are typically applied to, say, Alzheimer’s patients. I’m not clear how a woman can have toured the world, shot five hit videos, recorded a chart-topping album, and be on the verge of recording her seventh, yet can’t open a bank account without her dad’s permission. Nellie McClung is spinning in her grave, and not because she’s doing the dance from “Womanizer.”
http://celebedge.ca/Dramarama/ContentPostingDramarama3column?newsitemid=ad4c2526-6616-4399-9c3b-49ffe14d25ea&feedname=RYAN_PORTER_GOSSIP&show=False&number=0&showbyline=True&subtitle=&detect=&abc=abc&date=False
December 9th, 2009 at 1:36 am
A little bit of Canadiana for you:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nellie_McClung
December 9th, 2009 at 9:12 am
Fantasy, I think you’re right…The Elle photos are about dreams. Dreams of…
…freedom
…privacy
…a happy marriage
…a normal relationship with her sons
Simple, really.
December 9th, 2009 at 10:49 am
Thanks, St. Mag.
k+
December 9th, 2009 at 3:05 pm
That was a good one, Steel. I’d leave a comment on that blog but I doubt the author reads his comments given the porn that is currently there.
I saw this this morning and was ready to eat crow (been awhile).
Britney’s a free woman!
Then I saw the source:
Fair Lady – Cape Town,Western Cape,South Africa
He also fears that Sam Lutfi, Britney’s former manager, might still be a threat to her if she allows him back in her life. What do you think?
December 9th, 2009 at 3:19 pm
I think ALL people who gain a sudden fortune have to watch out for vultures and opportunists. (Just think of the Dane Cook link in the thread above.)
Yes, Lutfi is still a danger…But so is crossing the street without looking both ways!
December 9th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
So ignoring that holiday shoppers are out, what does anyone think of TMZ’s timing? Is it just a good story? Lots of sites carried it. It might be interesting to see if sites such as MSNBC pay for feed and the right to republish TMZ articles as one would for feed from the AP.
That is long off but it’s all part of the celebrity machine, money, timing and so on.
December 9th, 2009 at 3:53 pm
There are days I love your writing and logic Steel. ok, maybe every day but especially today.
December 9th, 2009 at 4:17 pm
Well…The whole “fear of Lutfi” thing just seems silly to me. I mean, isn’t the whole point of the conservatorship to try to teach Brit how to make better decisions for herself? How’s she supposed to avoid the “undue influence” if she’s not allowed to learn from her mistakes on her own?
http://perezhilton.com/2009-12-09-riri-gets-some-new-ink
December 9th, 2009 at 4:32 pm
I like Britney Addiction but I especially like their write up of the beach trip.
I wonder who is telling her to watch her back. Twice.
And look there’s Felipe at the back of the car.
http://www.britneyaddiction.com/2009/12/britney-bundles-up-her-boys-and-takes.html
December 9th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
Video of Brit and the boys at the beach.
http://x17video.com/celebrity_video/britney_spears/britney_spears_with_her_kids_a.php
December 9th, 2009 at 4:52 pm
B seems in control.
December 9th, 2009 at 6:14 pm
She seemed pretty in control when I saw her in concert, too. A little unenthusiastic, but definitely in control.
But she seems calm now, too. For sure.
December 9th, 2009 at 6:28 pm
Hello.
I didn’t see the Elle photos. I really didn’t want to. Personal choice.
About the c-ship, is it possible the reason JS hasn’t filed papers to terminate the c-ship is because he wants to make sure the psych will clear her? If he files the paperwork, then she isn’t cleared, she will have to wait 6 months or a year before it could be brought up to the judge again, right? If I have it all wrong, let me know. Yuck, it sounds like I’m defending JS. WTF!? LMAO
Bye have a nice day.
December 9th, 2009 at 7:46 pm
“Steel_Magnolia Says:
December 9th, 2009 at 12:28 am
Ama…
Just thinking…If I were to projectile myself back into 2005/2006, I would definitely be agreeing with you on your K-Fed views.
But 2007 is a different era for me. It became all about strategics (Brit vs. lawyers and courts – and the lawyers and courts won)…Then 2008/2009 has been a different era yet again (Brit vs. the conservatorship).
I just tend to think very rationally when it comes to the law and courts…There’s no room for emotion in it. Sadly.
In everyday life I probably think more like this…”
**************
Yes, I remember how impressed you were by what your former manager taught you, but I think you miss what I am talking about.
I’m talking about intentions.
Britney’s intentions with the relationship with Kevin Federline
Kevin Federline’s intentions with the relationship with Britney Spears.
His intentions are quite clear. (Dirty, he could exploit the situation and he did it)
Ignore the feelings Steel_
View on intentions.
“E fructu arbor cognoscitur” (The tree can be recognized by its fruits) The Bible (among other sources)
So true, so true.
December 9th, 2009 at 7:51 pm
um…nah.
December 9th, 2009 at 8:21 pm
QB. A little help please?
What does it mean if a motion to compel and demand responses to interrogatories is taken off calendar? Does it imply the interrogatories were completed maybe?
Meanwhile:
01/15/2010 Conference-Mandatory Settlement
02/11/2010 Conference-Final Status
02/16/2010 Trial
It looks a lot better than it used to.
December 9th, 2009 at 9:07 pm
Nah nah nah nah…
Hey hey hey…
December 9th, 2009 at 9:09 pm
Goodbye!
…To that topic!
December 9th, 2009 at 9:10 pm
Hey everyone! Why don’t we all take a moment and just all share our favourite smell, and the memories it brings us!
December 9th, 2009 at 9:11 pm
Just kidding, AM.
Okay. Got that out of my system.
December 9th, 2009 at 9:12 pm
AM-
If the Motion to Compel Response to Interrogatories was taken off the calendar it means that the other side has already sent the required responses to opposing counsel which means a hearing regarding compelling responses is no longer necessary.
December 10th, 2009 at 12:13 am
Something random:
http://www.pinkisthenewblog.com/2009/12/behind-the-scenes-of-lindsay-lohanss-muse-photoshoot/#more-44995
Couldn’t agree more with this comment from a reader…
“J Says:
December 9th, 2009 at 5:57 pm
effin love this song Blur. If it’s one thing Jive doesn’t do right, its marketing Britney and choosing singles. Kill The Lights, Blur, Unusual You are all single worthy. The first two are ones that COULD have charted on Urban Radio too, something i think Britney is worthy of after In the Zone and Blackout.
—
But i disagree Trent, the video her fans are waiting for is the next Me Against the Music or Slave 4 U. We want HOT, timed, perfect, out of this world choreography and dancing by Britney, 110%.
—
We saw that rehearsel video last year around early September. Yellow shirt and dancing to what now has become the song Mannequin. Rumours of her performing and debuting a song for a new album (Circus) at the VMAs. That sorta dancing was completely missed on the tour. Bring her back!”
December 10th, 2009 at 12:17 am
Yea, QB!!! That’s what I thought. That’s great then.
SM. I was not talking to you, I was talking to Ama.
Torque head. It’s none of my business. I am sorry. You guys should just talk.
But Ama has been talking about that for two years. No way was I talking about or to you. You two like to talk about that okay. Again I apologize. Nice come back though! Torque as ever.
December 10th, 2009 at 12:22 am
QB. I know more than I can say but if it fires down to $1,000 in damages as Chameleon charged…
Or if it fires down into one charge….
What does it mean when the D.A. dismisses charges? I will have a more official answer shortly but if you are up and are inclined to say… that would be great.
p.s. It’s weird that others watch us here. Sunday was weirder than usual. I mean who but us comes here on a Sunday?
Speaking without speaking. Toke and pass to the left.
December 10th, 2009 at 12:26 am
We’re going round in circles on the K-Fed thing.
And there’s so many other things to talk about, like music or law or pop culture. Or even Adnan’s facial hair.
So I’m kissing the K-Fed topic goodbye.
*mwuah*
December 10th, 2009 at 12:48 am
Splash!
December 10th, 2009 at 12:56 am
Steel. What the heck was going with “watch your back, Britney” in the beach video?
Now thems’ real subjects to talk about.
But serious. There’s Felipe at the end of the car but where was he earlier and the way the pap says it the first time. Level. But the next time was more serious.
I am proud of Britney. She seemed in control and when was the last time we saw her with Edan around when Britney was otherwise alone with the kids?
I feel bad the Britney’s day might have been killed by paps.. I don’t know what happened. I’d like to think she got up and informed all, I’m going to the beach ya’all, with my kids.
December 10th, 2009 at 12:56 am
without Edan … Brett… others…
December 10th, 2009 at 6:26 am
Just so you know…
Brit’s ex-boyfriend / paparazzo, Adnan Ghalib, was released from jail Wednesday afternoon, a source reveals exclusively to BreatheHeavy.com.
ANYWAY…
http://www.breatheheavy.com/exhale/viewthread.php?tid=208905
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Jordan, my dear, he was released LAST Wednesday, not last night. Pfft…like he cares.
December 10th, 2009 at 6:30 am
Oh wow. Now I feel stupid. AG was released on December 3 which was last Thursday. But you all still see my point I hope.
Now this info from BH will get picked everywhere and it’ll make people believe something that’s not true. Hmm….maybe that IS Jordan’s point.
December 10th, 2009 at 6:36 am
Jason Trawick Kicks A Paparazzo’s Cell Phone
December 9, 2009
http://x17video.com/celebrity_video/jason_trawick/jason_trawick_kicks_a_paparazz.php
Bad idea, Jason. And not a nice thing to do, imo.
December 10th, 2009 at 6:44 am
December 9th, 2009: We caught up with Brit again Wednesday night, when she was spotted driving through a red light to make an all important Starbucks run. The photographers asked Brit how she felt about ex-boyfriend Adnan being thrown in the clink, but she didn’t respond. While inside the police were called to give Brit a personal escort to her car. Tax dollars at work!
http://x17video.com/celebrity_video/britney_spears/britney_drives_through_red_lig.php
December 10th, 2009 at 11:38 am
Some of those paps were idiots yesterday and gunning for trouble.
She looks like she was making a left and already out in the intersection as were some other cars.
Give her a ticket for tinted windows?
I don’t know what’s up with JM. It was probably an error but at least he said something? Have you noticed that some sites (and paps) continue to say he’s in jail.. when I have good reason to believe that they know he’s not?
December 10th, 2009 at 2:24 pm
http://www.laineygossip.com/Britney_Spears_goes_shopping_with_new_gross_mom_hair_.aspx?CatID=0&CelID=0
I too wish that Britney would brush her hair more often but I didn’t think that she looked so bad. I see nothing wrong with the red lipstick. It works better when her hair is brown. The poncho is cute. Maybe I’m getting all soft but I think she looked okay. Btw, that doesn’t look like her real hair. It’s a shorter weave mixed with her real hair. At least no more messy bun. Right?
December 10th, 2009 at 2:38 pm
Fantasy, I was going to post that, but thought I might face a cyber lynch mob. Ha ha.
I didn’t think she looked that bad, either. I don’t like the flip in her hair, and I don’t like the granny glasses (the combo makes her look like she needs a cane to complete the look!), but the lipstick matches the bag and the rest of the outfit is cute.
Man, I wish she could just get the heck out of L.A.
December 10th, 2009 at 2:51 pm
But she wasn’t wearing white socks and doesn’t anyone get that that short hair in the back are bangs sprayed back?
meh – what do I know about extensions?
I’m not a fan of the cobweb unless it’s some signal about being trapped in a web or in a web but I think I am trying too hard.
She looked fabulous the other day on the beach.
December 10th, 2009 at 2:52 pm
http://www.killthelights.org/displayimage.php?album=8124&pos=18
nevermind – white socks
December 10th, 2009 at 3:10 pm
You know what Brit looks like there?
Me and my friends.
(I don’t wear white socks with black pants, but some of my friends do. lol)
Honestly, she just looks like a normal person to me in those photos. Totally and completely normal. Like a regular Wal-Mart shopper.
I’d rather look at Brit dressed like that any day than look at Paris Hilton’s ugly mug. Paris and the rest of them just reek of desperation. At least Britney looks like she just doesn’t really give a sh@t. Which is much more authentic and real to me than anything. And for that she gets two thumbs up from me.
December 10th, 2009 at 3:15 pm
QB and anyone else who wants a droll but informative read…
1460. (a) Subject to Sections 1202 and 1203, if notice of hearing is required under this division but the applicable provision does not fix the manner of giving notice of hearing, the notice of the time and place of the hearing shall be given at least 15 days before the day of the hearing as provided in this section.
Chapter 3 (commencing with Section 1460) of Part 1.
http://law.justia.com/california/codes/prob/1460-1469.html
December 10th, 2009 at 3:40 pm
Great post at 3:10 Steel.
Here’s a link on Courtney from TMZ. Now I better understand her rants.
(I am just procrastinating on what needs to get done today..oh well.)
http://www.tmz.com/tag/CourtneyLove/
December 10th, 2009 at 3:44 pm
Just throwing out a tidbit for things that might have been happening with Britney’s accounts…
‘UPDATE — Keith Fink, Courtney’s lawyer, tells us that 104 AmEx credit cards were taken out under Courtney’s name or the name of her business — and that all the charges attributed to Courtney weren’t made by her. He also said it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out nobody takes out 104 credit cards!
May 2009 TMZ
December 10th, 2009 at 3:58 pm
I give myself five more minutes…
Here’s a little twist.
Bryan Freedman reps DAWN SIMORANGKIR (remember the clothes designer or whatever?) in a civil suit against Courtney.
Neither here nor there. It’s a small town in some ways despite being a metropolis.
Here’s another little twist. TMZ was the first to report that Courtney was bi-polar but Courtney came back and said that was nothing short of slander and that she was not bi-polar.
December 10th, 2009 at 3:58 pm
The weird thing about Brit’s accounts…
No charges ever laid.
Doesn’t that say something?
December 10th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
http://community.livejournal.com/ohnotheydidnt/41942523.html
SP & JJ pick out a Christmas tree with Kev & Vicky
(and Kev’s dad)
Cuteness!!!!!
December 10th, 2009 at 4:01 pm
Oops! Sorry for interrupting.
How cute are these kids? I love these pics!!
December 10th, 2009 at 4:08 pm
So cute! They look so happy!
December 10th, 2009 at 4:23 pm
I won’t be a Debbie Downer and mention that Kev’s other children Kori and Kaleb weren’t tree shopping with their dad and little brothers.
Nope. I won’t ask why it seems that bringing the first two kids tree shopping appears to have been an afterthought.
I will remain polite and positive- for now.
December 10th, 2009 at 5:03 pm
Fantasy
I’m not surprised that Kevin did not take his oldest two children Christmas tree shopping for two reasons: First, he barely sees those children maybe 1 or 2 weekends out of the month. Secondly, Kevin’s home is not really Kori/Kaleb’s home- it is just a place they go to visit 2 or 4 days out of the month. It would make more sense for them to go Christmas tree shopping with their mother Shar.
I was thinking that based on the pictures, Brit and Kevin have on average (excluding holidays, vacations, birthdays) a 2-2-3 custodial time share meaning, Brit can have the kids M/T and Kevin W/TH and Brit and Kevin rotate F/S/Sun.
I have heard that some parents like this schedule especially with young children because it means they do not go more than a few days without seeing their kids.
One reason why some parents do not like this schedule is because the kids are constantly on the move.
December 10th, 2009 at 9:09 pm
Steel, if they laid charges …in the open, what would that signify to the public about late 2006 and all of 2007?
I still don’t understand why the conservatorship would try to settle with Eardley.
… surely a restraining order was enough so why talk about a settlement?
December 10th, 2009 at 9:31 pm
AM, I’m assuming that the lack of charges means that Lutfi wasn’t caught doing anything illegal (either related to finances OR to the drugging). Or that there was lack of evidence, at least.
And seeing as he was portrayed as the “bad guy” in all of this…??
I must have missed something…They’re trying to settle with Eardley? What is there to settle?
December 10th, 2009 at 9:35 pm
I’m guessing the worst thing that Lutfi did was smooth talk B into things – get her to agree to things, but not in a way that was breaking any laws. (That’s where the “undue influence” thing comes in.)
As far as her finances…I doubt they were that messed up to begin with. So she bought too many cars and was renting one too many houses. Woo woo. I didn’t see any extravagant spending going on that was in the Nicholas Cage kind of territory (but what do I know?)
The worst thing I could see going on was the lack of payments to WEG. And that started before Lutfi came into the picture, so that can’t be blamed on him, can it?
Or am I missing something?
December 10th, 2009 at 9:51 pm
http://perezhilton.com/2009-12-10-the-federline-men
Seriously, I think that whole “weight gain” thing was a big ol’ sham. Who goes from being a ripped back-up dancer for people like MJ and JT to being THAT overweight? And he gained it SO fast.
I’m picturing the conversation going like this…
LOU: We need Britney to become the “good parent” during the tour. So we gotta make Kevin look bad…But he needs to come out on top again once the tour is over and the conservatorship is due to end. What to do, what to do?
LARRY: After the tour we need to get Kevin on a reality show. Let the public get to know him. Get the public rooting for him. But how to make him look bad in the meantime?
JAMIE: I could feed him lots of my cheese grits on tour…Fatten him up. Real good. Nobody likes a fatty.
LARRY: That’s perfect! We could get him on Celebrity Fit Club afterwards. He’ll come out looking like a champion!
JAMIE: Where’s Lulu? She’s got Kevin’s number…
LOU: I’ve already got the perfect headline for the press release!
December 10th, 2009 at 9:53 pm
Ah, just kidding. Kinda.
December 10th, 2009 at 11:29 pm
I love those picture conversation. That was interesting but hilarious. Where’s Lulu.
The settlement info came out when fees came out from Wexler, Wyle and company. Remember that HUGE document. I think it was Freedman’s motions to reduce or eliminate the sought fees.
It’s probably still out there somewhere. It would be under attorneys’ fees. Lulu knows the rest as far as searches.
Dang. That was entertaining. Thanks, Steel.
Missing something? The heavy early on media informing us readers that Britney was in financial ruin or something to that effect.
Okay, timing, just because we didn’t think Sam was there earlier than whenever doesn’t mean that he was not.
Paris Hilton. … Ah heck what would board be without far out theories and endless discussion.
December 10th, 2009 at 11:58 pm
A settlement with Eardley? Interesting. Very interesting!
What was Eardley claiming, I wonder?
My hunch on the finances? I doubt Sam even touched them until October 2007 (when he officially started as “manager.” Think of those e-mails between him and Grossman – it was Grossman that was in a position of power, not Sam.)
If the finances got mucked up before that, it was someone else who did it (apart from Grossman). But again, that’s just a hunch.
December 11th, 2009 at 12:05 am
AM, It would be interesting to find out who B’s business manager was in Nov. 2006 (leading up to her stint in rehab).
What date did Grossman start? Before or after the payments to WEG stopped?
I don’t know how much we want to get into this again…We may get some rotten tomatoes thrown at us. lol
December 11th, 2009 at 12:14 am
Two years later, and no charges laid against Lutfi or Grossman.
They’re not your guys.
$17-million audit with Jive.
Follow the money trail.
December 11th, 2009 at 12:20 am
Yes I know.
Anyway, the document has been removed from Radar.
Grossman really wasn’t her “manager” was he? But he did have all of his arms around the money. She needed something he got it for her financially?
I was thinking too. Who said initially that she wanted Grossman and Northern Trust. I was flipping back through AP stories from when Linda Deusche was still with them and I thought I only saw Northern Trust?
Why would someone ask that their bank be their conservator? Or maybe when someone explained it to her they made the suggestion as to who would be conservator over the trust.
As for Sam asking Grossman for money? How do we know he wasn’t trying to save his own a– when he said Sam was doing that. Or maybe Grossman was stalling for time. Or maybe it’s true.
I always pictured, give me money or I will tell. I knew so little back then and even now… I don’t know that that is how it went down.
December 11th, 2009 at 1:02 am
Here’s what I figured job roles were…
Manager – Career (Tours, albums, appearances, merchandise, marketing of all of it, etc.)
Business Manager – Finances, accounting (e.g. Cuts the manager his paycheque.) Their jobs would not overlap.
So we have…
Manager – Johnny & Larry, then just Larry, then Dan D., then Larry, then Lutfi, then back to Larry.
Business Manager – Various, then Grossman, then (according to the court docs, possibly) Lou
As far as B’s requests for a conservator…
I got the feeling she was looking for a conservator over her estate, but not necessarily a conservator over her person. It would make sense then that she’d ask Northern Trust (or a combination of Northern Trust and a business manager) to handle her finances on her behalf.
I doubt she was ever looking for a bank to be a conservator over her person. In fact, she was telling Eardley on the phone that she wanted full control over her person (e.g. where she lived, who her security was, etc.)
December 11th, 2009 at 1:10 am
AM, When it comes to the various managers, their roles would differ in the same way that there are different editors at a newspaper (right?) There’s a copy editor (who just looks for mistakes?) and then there’s the editor who is “the big cheese” who oversees the whole paper. Their jobs are very different, even though they carry the same title.
I don’t know if I have that right, but it’s the same in the film world, where there are all kinds of different producers. Some producers only deal with securing funding, others are on set to make sure the shoot goes smoothly, and some do absolutely nothing but lend their name to the production in order to attract attention.
When it comes to Lutfi…I think he was attempting to fill the role vacated by Larry. That means he was trying to get her to video shoots, and other things related to her actual career as a pop star. I can’t see that he’d have any access to her money (on the business end of things, at least). Brit may have given him access to her personal accounts (e.g. the PIN number for her bank card), but it would’ve been her business manager (Grossman) who would’ve transferred the money into her account in the first place.
December 11th, 2009 at 1:36 am
Someone correct me if I’m wrong about any of this…
We also can’t forget about the SJB Trust. Who were the trustees at the time of her going in to rehab? Who were the trustees by the time of the 5150’s?
Who are they now?
I doubt Grossman had access to anything in the trust (just like Jamie and Wallet don’t have access to it now…although they kind of do, since all of B’s various companies all filter back into BTI…Or the proceeds from BTI filter into the various companies…I forget how it works…)
December 11th, 2009 at 1:48 am
Steel, I am going soon so will hold off on much of this until tomorrow.
But. Jamie and Wallet “do” have access to the trust. Their lawyers go to court, layout the expenses and the judge decides whether to approve or disapprove. The liquid assets to pay for expenses comes from the trust, yes?
Remember all the rationale for Jamie’s expenses? He spent time with her, cooked some food, and needed his own office for all the … what was it, phone calls for the tour?
It still amazes me how some people think Britney was and is making all the decisions re the tour. If we are to believe Jamie’s sworn testimony to a judge in Oct. 2008 and TMZ promoting that the conservatorship is just a guise (they waiver between causing her to look crazy v. hopeful, capable) due to contracts and insurance… then how can anyone blame Britney for choreography or anything pertaining to the show or upcoming albums? (tours)
Just saying.
I hope that last part makes sense. I love your news analogy btw. Everyone had and has their roles. I’ll never understand why Jamie needed an office and that it came out of B’s pocket as approved by the judge. He has no small children. If he was staying with Britney he had the run of a mansion. Could it be that he doesn’t want to be heard by everyone? er, you know, say Britney?
If she ever overheard a “business” conversation that must have been/IS hard no her. Imagining brokering your daughter while she that ran her businesses for awhile overhears.
Creepy. Boys club.
December 11th, 2009 at 11:33 am
A reminder of how the UK-US tabloid game works:
http://perezhilton.com/2009-12-11-tiger-blocks-release-of-nude-pics-and-vids
December 11th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
If Brit didn’t go back to Larry, is this what would’ve happened to her?
http://perezhilton.com/2009-12-11-def-leppard-sued-by-former-manager
December 11th, 2009 at 1:32 pm
AM, What I’m getting at is…And I hate to say this, but…
Lutfi may be a red herring when it comes to why the conservatorship was put in place to begin with, and when it comes to reasons why it may be extended.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_herring_(idiom)
December 11th, 2009 at 3:14 pm
Ah. Red herring. I couldn’t have put it better myself.
That would have been unpleasant to the brand image if Larry had sued her. It really wouldn’t have been so good for his image and …. it would have made Britney’s sour as well? It would easily have damaged the image of their “great” relationship and him understanding her better than anyone, or whatever.
December 11th, 2009 at 3:31 pm
http://killthelights.org/displayimage.php?album=8124&pos=12
What was he trying to protect her from or what was he trying to ward off? Maybe he had a damn good reason to kick away the cell phone.
December 11th, 2009 at 3:39 pm
You know, I really wouldn’t put it past some of these guys to have put the cell phone near the front tire or fender.
http://killthelights.org/displayimage.php?album=8124&pos=17
Just curious as to what is really going on here.
Good pap (old school classic, long lens where possible) v. bad pap. I don’t know.
December 11th, 2009 at 4:10 pm
I don’t know but…
If she HADN’T gone under a conservatorship, what would’ve happened?
Besides her own health (which should’ve been priority no. 1) and the loss of visitation with her boys, she would’ve also have had to deal with the business end of things.
A possible lawsuit from Larry? A possible lawsuit from Jive? Possible lawsuits from other companies she had made contracts with (e.g. AEG? Elizabeth Arden?)
It happens…Just look at this:
http://www.financialexpress.com/news/paris-hilton-set-to-testify-in-breach-of-contract-suit/487728/
December 11th, 2009 at 4:42 pm
Ah yes. I remember.
You know, I don’t see anything to admire in aiming to break a person or hope that she loses her kids so that she hits rock bottom so she starts acting good? (if that was the case and Dennis alluded to Jamie’s thoughts in his section of dialogue between Alli and Jamie … which I think was used to establish this soundbyte, “If she loses her kids she will kill herself.”
I can’t believe by the way Auntie Chandra was in the media in 2007 worrying that Britney might try to kill herself or something…oh dear. Teamwork?)
That line of thinking anyway is foreign to me but then I haven’t been to AA etc. I don’t know if that is the mentality overall. I mean do they embrace rock bottom as the thing that saved them?
December 11th, 2009 at 4:50 pm
This is old but it’s the only time that Britney has appeared in any conservatorship proceeding.
I’m reading again from a new perspective.
http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b70213_britney_shows_up_in_court_talk_touring.html
First. Britney chose not to appear for the driver’s license case. Says who. Michael Flanagan? The court records indicate otherwise as do key interviews.
Next. um, you mean the business(es) that.. “I make all business decisions,” Jamie Spears, October 2008, court transcript, driver’s license.
“…It was about the tour professional. She has an album that is coming out. All of what is necessary to support the album,” Allan Parachini.
Why did she look so sad coming out of court … dazed, deep in thought, sad … what might she have learned or been consigned to? I guess there is no point in wondering all of that but as Britney wasn’t making (and isn’t even at this late date?)the business decisions…
December 11th, 2009 at 5:01 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 11th, 2009 at 4:50 pm
“…It was about the tour professional. She has an album that is coming out. All of what is necessary to support the album,” Allan Parachini.
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I get the feeling that by the end of the Dream Within A Dream tour (2002) she’d decided she didn’t want to tour any more.
Was she being told that this time she didn’t have a choice?
December 11th, 2009 at 5:08 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 11th, 2009 at 4:42 pm
You know, I don’t see anything to admire in aiming to break a person or hope that she loses her kids so that she hits rock bottom so she starts acting good?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
This seems fundamental to the whole story.
IMO, she didn’t want to comply with their demands (e.g. for touring). And then they tried to break her by using the law against her. She resisted.
And one thing you can’t do is f@ck with the law.
So what did a judge do in return? Took her kids away from her, and then took her rights away from her.
Britney destroyed *herself* by trying to resist. If she had’ve complied (e.g. with the drug testing, the child care monitor, handing back the boys at the stipulated time) she likely wouldn’t be where she is today.
This whole story is rooted in LAW. I don’t know why others can’t see that??
December 11th, 2009 at 5:29 pm
Did I just stick my head in the hornet’s nest, or what? lol
December 11th, 2009 at 5:38 pm
Yes you did but no worse than me and the media.
I wonder that QB may weigh in. We never really explored the law quite as you put it today, Steel.
When I think about her court appearance meanwhile, I always worry she was told something devastating about the kids like you will never have custody of your children while you are under a conservatorhsip and you are under a conservatorship.
I wonder if that came in part from discussions here or some tabloid that said the court appearance had to do with taking the kids or .. speculation, speculation but there’s no doubt about the look in her eye. Didn’t MT offer some info about what went on? I can’t remember other than he talked about it good that she finally met the judge.
You know the fact that she appeared seems to indicate that she had “capacity to understand the legal proceedings” that day?
Was she dressed so elegantly for a court appearance or was she going somewhere after? Were plans for later aborted? It would seem so, so sad if she got dressed up for court, hopeful..and then not.
December 11th, 2009 at 5:59 pm
Top stories today at FNS:
Adnan free from jail (if it is a non-interest to the public then why is that the top article especially when there so little content in it?)
Harvey and the celebrity machine – conservatorship
And top stories overall this week:
Adnan faces two in alley
Harvey and the c-ship
Greatest ever hits? “I make all business decisions.” And that was a court document.
It is interesting to see this little thing have life. I think it’s pretty clear though that Adnan remains of some public interest based on the story above and hits along the way since July.
Neither here nor there but interesting. Thought I would share especially with those who support the reporting.
December 11th, 2009 at 6:43 pm
I want to address the allegation that Jamie wanted Brit to lose custody because that would be her rock bottom and that would motivate her to turn her life around.
I honestly do not believe that Jamie wanted that to happen but I believe he realized that she would eventually lose custody of her kids if she did not straighten up. It’s one thing to disregard Jamie and Lynne but it is quite another thing to disobey the judge’s court orders.
Brit made it so easy for Kevin and Kaplan. All they had to do is go into court and say “Brit did not comply with the court order” and she automatically loses.
Had she handed the boys to Kevin’s bodyguard at 7pm per the court order, the police would not have been called, she would not have been hospitalized and she may not have been placed under the conservatorship.
One of the reasons why I support the conservatorship is because I do not believe Brit could have pulled herself out the mess which was her life.
I believe she was suffering from either a undiagnosed/untreated mental illness and because of that she was not thinking clearly. A rational person would lock herself and her youngest child in the bathroom.
December 11th, 2009 at 6:57 pm
St. Mag. @ 5:08pm
And one thing you can’t do is f@ck with the law.
So what did a judge do in return? Took her kids away from her, and then took her rights away from her.
Britney destroyed *herself* by trying to resist. If she had’ve complied (e.g. with the drug testing, the child care monitor, handing back the boys at the stipulated time) she likely wouldn’t be where she is today.
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All of that is completely true, St. Mag.
As wrong as Britney was to do the things she did I think it’s necessary to look at things from her perspective at that time. Britney had an image that was carefully designed for her at the age of 16. She went from virgin to vixen right before our eyes. Britney never really was that much of an innocent nor was she as oversexed like she portrayed herself to be on stage or in a video.
Britney was ready to venture out into the world and discover her real self. That’s a bold and brave thing for any young person to attempt to do. It’s was also a frightening thing for her parents and management, I think. When you know who you are and have control of yourself you are then able to confidentally exert that control in so many ways. Just imagine how Britney must have began to feel when she stopped being a “yes” person and refused to play by others rules.
Now imagine how that made her family, Larry, and the guys at the label feel. I think Britney was blocked from furthering the discovery of herself. And, to me, that was when the original fall from grace began to happen. So she rebelled even more. She pretty much flipped off anyone and everyone who she saw as authoratative in any way.
It didn’t seem to matter to her if that person was her mom, dad, manager, or even the judge. She was sick of being told what, where, and when. Maybe she also felt belittled by all those people and got defensive because of the things she was accused of being; party girl, crazy, habitual user, blah blah, blah. That would piss me off too.
This isn’t so much of a defense as I think it is an explanation of how she may have been feeling.
Sorry for writing so much y’all.
December 11th, 2009 at 7:32 pm
I’m back. LONG POST AHEAD.
Not only do I think that because Britney wasn’t able to continue finding herself is the reason that caused her to rebel like she did, but I also think that’s part of why she began looking to other people as an escape and or to live vicariously through them. Hence the quick and short marriages to Alexander and Federline.
They had realness and life experience that she lacked. It’s like she vibed off of a guy like Kevin because come on, can anyone have appeared to be more real and laid back as he was in her eyes? She fell for him, imo. And she fell in love with the idea of what she could gain from being married. Most people think that once you marry that means you’ve grown up and are ready to settle down and so on. I think a part of Britney began to live and see things in a way she never did. She wasn’t able to have that feeling on her own so she got it eventually by getting married.
She had the kids and I think it was kinda too soon for that too. But again, it was about what she could get from being a mom. Unconditional love and acceptance. Kids don’t care if you have a #1 song on the charts. The don’t care about anything but being with their mom and dad.
Maybe it got to a point where being a mother overwhelmed her. She may not have been such a natural at the mommy thing in the beginning. She may have had PPD like it’s been said. Maybe she didn’t feel supported by Kev or like anyone understood what she was going through. On top of all that she went through a divorce which must have devastated her even more.
What I’m saying basically is that there seems to be a void in her life which she tried to fill by having a husband and kids. She needed to take time to find herself. She didn’t or couldn’t.
I was hoping that the c-ship would be the thing to get her to a more stable, healthier place and with therapy she’d begin to feel less empty. Instead she recorded a new cd and went on a world tour. Is that what is supposed to make her feel better about herself? Having thousands of people looking at you and screaming your name only later to have a critic rip you apart in their review of your show. It doesn’t make any sense to.
Having said that I do feel glad that she made it through the tour. And yeah I can’t wait to hear the new cd. But what will happen after that? What has she learned from all of this? How can a “capacity expert” be the one who can accurately say she’s better or still unwell if she still hasn’t had the time to sit back and truely reflect on things that she’s gone through?
Having her record new music and tour is nothing but a way of keeping her busy and distracting her from whatever problems she may have. Less time, less thinking, equals no growth or understanding.
I’m done y’all. TTYL.
December 11th, 2009 at 8:02 pm
To understand is to forgive. –William Shakespeare
That said I will add one more thing. She wanted a home? A real home?
I don’t know about you guys but sometimes doing something “right” as it should or could or might have been done the first time, cancels it out by the second appearance, act, or whatever of doing it right.
What might a home look like to her? Husband, kids and being their for them. A mom. A real mom and the nuclear family she never had.
QB, about this Jamie/Alli conversation …we can’t be flies on the wall and pretend we heard the whole thing. I don’t feel like looking it up right now but Auntie Chatty and all you know… I mean how much do we know about Britney and her alleged favorite aunt? I thought her mom’s sister was her favorite but who knows without Britney saying it.
I’d have to fine comb Lynne’s book but I don’t think Aunty Chandra is anywhere in it. There aren’t any picture of her for sure but several of Sandra. There is also, “Sandra had come to visit Britney and we were all on Melrose Avenue…”
I kind of take Chatty along with some of Lynne’s book — there may be a word of truth behind much or little of it but I don’t think she is as reliable as maybe some other potential narrators.
December 11th, 2009 at 8:08 pm
Sorry for the italics. I did enter the second HTML tag.
December 12th, 2009 at 2:58 pm
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/internet/news/article.cfm?c_id=137&objectid=10607750
Steel. You wondered about Levin’s background.
‘During the show Levin appears as an ideal boss, hardworking and funny.
That is the image his friends and employees talk about. But it also masks the naked hostility that Levin inspires in others. One Hollywood insider called him a “slimeball” and refused to discuss him further.’
…………
‘That success prompted one commentator to marvel at Levin’s success. “Harvey Levin is Oz. There’s something happening behind the curtain there,” said MSNBC’s celebrity reporter Courtney Hazlett.’
I selected what were highlights to me but it is an interesting, balanced article.
QB. He never worked as a lawyer but rather a professor of law?
December 12th, 2009 at 2:59 pm
This link takes forever to load. Go do something else.
http://web.archive.org/web/20080324054358/radaronline.com/from-the-magazine/2007/09/tmz_harvey_levin_paris_hilton_lindsay_lohan_3.php
but here is says he practiced law?
Radaronline Sep. 2007
December 12th, 2009 at 3:10 pm
From page 4 — that also took eons to appear.
‘Still, Levin is well-liked by many of the publicists whose clients he torments. “Out of all the websites, it’s pretty much the most decent,” says Leslie Sloane Zelnick, who has represented Lohan and Spears. “It’s not coming from a nasty place.” But as for TMZ’s independence from publicists, Zelnick says, “I disagree. I have a very good relationship with Harvey, and it’s mutually beneficial.” He allows her ample time to respond to stories about clients before posting, she says, and she gives him exclusives when she needs to get stories out quickly.’
Would love an opinion on this…when did Britney fire her?
December 12th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
‘During our interview, as Levin ponders the psychology of suddenly rich young women with scheming parents, the sun begins to lower over Sunset Boulevard. Lohan has provided grist all day, but soon the story will fade. In the newsroom is a dry erase board with “Andy Dick” and “Britney—Meltdown” scrawled in neon. “When Harvey pitched Celebrity Justice,” Paratore says, “I was like, ‘Can we really sustain it five days a week? Are there enough stories?’ But now, it never stops. We sit here all the time and say, ‘What are we going to do next month?’ But out of nowhere, another story always appears.”‘
This article is from the October issue of Radar magazine. (the link read as September)
December 12th, 2009 at 4:02 pm
‘HARVEY LEVIN (MANAGING EDITOR
We have really good sources. And if you follow TMZ, you’ll see that we’re right. We just have, we are entrenched in Hollywood. We have a lot of people who trust us because we don’t burn people. I mean, we’re really fair. Even if they’re not positive stories, we try and always give people a right to respond, to give their side. And we have, we’re really plugged in and that’s, I mean, that’s one of the reasons we know. And, and we reported the day before he did it that he was gonna fight for custody of the kids because, you know, we knew it was gonna happen. And my information is, and we’ve reported this yesterday, that Kevin was actually talking with a divorce lawyer for over a month. And Britney just beat him to the punch, finally. But he’s been looking, A, for a way out, and B, a way out where there’s money involved.’
ABC News Now, November 10, 2006
SHOW: Seen and Be Heard 12:44 PM EST ABC
HOLLYWOOD HEARSAY; BRIT & K-FED SPLIT
ANCHORS: RYAN OWENS
Transcript. It’s funny to read through these earlier things because Harvey seems to think that Britney will get the kids.
December 12th, 2009 at 4:40 pm
This isn’t making sense but maybe Harvey had more intel by 11/10/06…
HARVEY LEVIN, MANAGING EDITOR, TMZ.COM: I am told that Kevin Federline is making rumbles that he will challenge Britney for custody.
……
HARVEY LEVIN, MANAGING EDITOR, TMZ.COM: He did not see this coming because she didn`t really tell him.
ANDERSON: Britney dropped a bombshell Monday night by deciding to kick K-Fed to the curb and ask for sole custody of their two young boys.
LEVIN: She dropkicked him. And, you know, I think from this point of view, he was stunned, because he thought this marriage was just going fine.
…
and in parts without Harvey:
HAMMER: We just heard in our story how it appears that Kevin Federline was absolutely blindsided by this. Jojo, our Brooke Anderson spoke with Kevin just before this news broke, and she told me that, from their conversation and their time together, there was no real indication coming from him that anything was wrong. And I know you were hanging out with him recently, did you have the sense at all that, hey, he had any idea this was coming down the road?
WRIGHT: I`ve had chats with him, I think the last chat I had with him was Halloween night, the night of his record release party. He did a piece with us at Kiss FM. And I talked with him several times throughout the last maybe three or four weeks before that. So I had a lot of run-ins in the last month with Kevin, and I have a feeling that his body language, if not his own voice, would have told me that, hey, something is going on, maybe. You know we had some nice conversations. I believe, and I could be wrong, I`m not in his head, but I think he had no idea. I think it blindsided him clearly.
HAMMER: And as with Brooke, was he telling you, oh, yeah, the marriage is great, everything is fine?
WRIGHT: I recall talking to him about Halloween night, I said, what are you and Britney– what is she dressing like for Halloween? What are the kids doing? I know they weren`t with him, because he was promoting the album, but he said he hadn`t spoken to them. And that`s an honest answer. He hadn`t spoken to them because he was on the road doing the promotion and this and that, whatever. So it seemed so normal to me, so average. And by the way, people made the comments that Britney wasn`t on the road with him promoting the CD, I think that was a strategy more so than anything else, because if she shows up they talk to her and not him.
(But hadn’t they recently been in the same city but stayed in separate hotels? So meanwhile, it Harvey is right on the 10th and Kevin himself was talking to his divorce lawyer then…then were the positive interviews from Kevin about Britney just intentional hype?)
I am going outside soon. Promise.
December 12th, 2009 at 10:31 pm
New story up.
http://wp.me/px8ZX-jn
QB…I’m not so sure you’ve been correct in that Jamie hasn’t had control of medicinal things.
A c-ship is one thing, a guardianship another.
That was no typo months ago. Anyway, that’s not what the new story is about.
Small… you still there?
December 13th, 2009 at 4:18 am
I’m here. Reading along. I’m waiting for the announcement “Britney has her life back” or something like that. I’m tired of it all. But I’m still reading
December 13th, 2009 at 2:07 pm
Glad to hear it.
I am wondering that if the notice of hearing was a big deal that TMZ didn’t report on it?
They love to say they were first on something.
I hope Britney gets to meet with the judge soon and testify on her own behalf.
December 13th, 2009 at 4:09 pm
i name i haven’t heard before…
http://perezhilton.com/?p=5263
December 13th, 2009 at 9:09 pm
I looked up the case summary for the conservatorship case and I am not going to make a big deal about it.
The notice regarding connservatorship/guardianship makes no mention of termination so it is entirely possible that the “notice” has nothing to do with termination but some other important matter.
Secondly, I also noticed that when documents are filed they are sometimes listed under “Petitioner Jamie Spears” or “Conservator Jamie Spears”. The documents were listed under a unknown “Petitioner” which may be significant.
I also notice that in May 2009 a similar “notice-conservatorship/guardianship” was filed as well.
December 13th, 2009 at 9:13 pm
MH, Is it in the article, or the comments section?
December 13th, 2009 at 9:14 pm
And what happened back in May 2009? Anything special that we know of? (Or was that the meeting where they questioned if Brit could travel to Australia for the tour?)
December 13th, 2009 at 10:22 pm
article.
>>>Your new manager, Jeff Kwatinez, should be ashamed of himself! You have tainted his reputation and everyone at his company, The Firm, should run and hide.
December 13th, 2009 at 10:47 pm
Glad you looked at it QB. I really appreciate it even if you were just looking for yourself. You know what I mean?
I mean I am GLAD you looked at it.
I found in another state, here I think, that guardianship includes med decisions? It feels wrong to write that … but this second time of guardianship can’t be a mistake can it?
Anyway, I put up the information because no one else has and what if there is something up.
I’m so glad that “we” don’t have to rely on a tabloid news cycle so much anymore. Or at least I don’t as long as I produce and have a press pass.
Hey… it’s not firm yet but wanted to let some of you know I might have an internship this summer with ABC News. Wow. And that comes through school, performance and yes, a few items from FNS.
December 13th, 2009 at 10:51 pm
Hey, anyone notice the pap crush is still on Britney?
Sam’s not in the picture, Adnan’s not in the picture, Britney’s not in the picture yet there she is, in the picture. Each one has been accused of letting the paps know where she would be. Jamie personally accused Adnan. Um Pops… little apology here?
Who is calling the paps? Or do they just camp out? Or it is the old rat system? I wonder.
QB, I am so glad you looked at the account in the meanwhile. In my dreams maybe the judge is looking at that last accounting set (no regularly scheduled meeting is on the calendar yet and that’s a tad unusual based on previous account current hearings) and saying, “Jamie, she made this much money, you had to pay out this much money …”
I don’t know. There’s a void of information right now as to what the notice of hearing is about but you only give notice if more than one party is involved. Is that right, QB?
December 13th, 2009 at 10:59 pm
http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/2007/09/britney-spears-manager-jeff-kwatinetz-jumps-ship/
December 13th, 2009 at 10:59 pm
I have looked over the case summary again trying to find any hint as to what the most recent filing means. In October 2009 another notice- motion other was filed. Usually, if a notice is filed, it will state what the notice was for parenthesis but that is not always the case.
On one hand, I have learned from personal experience at my job that the online case summary is not always accurate. For example, the Attorney I work for wanted me to do a “Finding and Order After Hearing” because a number of matters in the divorce case had been continued to 12/09. I looked online and I only saw one or two matters. The Attorney told me that the case summary was inaccurate and that there were also two other matters set for hearing that day and it turns out the Attorney was right.
It is important to remember that there is an individual at the court house who is entering the data into the computer database which makes up the case summary and that person may not have entered all of the information accurately.
For example, when Jamie Spears first filed papers for the conservatorship he was identifed as the “Petitioner” which makes sense. Since the Letters for the conservatorship were issued he should always be identified as “conservator”. However, Jamie’s attorneys are still identified as “attorneys for petitioner” . You can tell from the documents filed that when it states “attorney for petitioner” what the court really means is “attorney for conservator”.
I also noticed that the co-conservator of the estate Andrew Wallet is also listed as “Attorney for Petitioner” even though he is an attorney himself and he does not represent Jamie or Brit legally so the current filing maybe related to the Estate only and not the Person.
December 13th, 2009 at 11:00 pm
I forgot all about JK. I guess Lutfi jumped in to fill the void.
December 13th, 2009 at 11:42 pm
QB. Did you also notice that others, who are not attorneys, are also listed as petitioners?
I have meanwhile had live people on the phone who don’t just see the case summary but the actual documents.
“Can you tell me what it says?” I ask.
Or people who were at the debriefing “after chambers.”
It’s good to hear and have your experience.
I will still say that if anything “major” was going on TMZ would have blared their horn: they haven’t.
I think that was sort of your point as well but you also balanced it and that is cool.
December 13th, 2009 at 11:44 pm
(QB, not your point about TMZ. You never said anything like that. I meant whether anything is going down right now … and I am guessing the fan sites are jumping the gun either based on stats at FNS or goings on out there. It’s been like an fyi to them and to others which was more the spirit of the article. I am glad. For now.)
December 14th, 2009 at 12:07 am
AM-
I too also noticed that people like Lutfi are listed as “Petitioner” as well. In addition, Brit’s family law attorneys like Wasser are listed as “attorney for petitioner” which makes the whole case summary too confusing.
I have always figured that TMZ has a contact at the clerk’s office at the courthouse downtown and there is a understanding that if documents are filed involing a celebrity they will give TMZ the heads up before anyone else finds out about it for a fee. It is possible that their contact has not gotten into touch yet or the document is routine and nothing shocking.
December 14th, 2009 at 12:31 am
So we’re beating TMZ to the punch on this one? Again?
Sorry, Harv. lol
December 14th, 2009 at 12:37 am
This is quite the little group we have going here, eh?
It’s kinda weird, if you think about it.
December 14th, 2009 at 12:44 am
Is anyone still following Courtney’s facebook? That’s quite the stream of consciousness she has going there. It’s kind of fascinating. She’s completely lucid, yet still totally blurry.
December 14th, 2009 at 3:05 am
AM—ABC News! That’s fantastic. I hope it works out for you.
December 14th, 2009 at 9:29 am
“A notice of hearing regarding the conservatorship / guardianship over Britney was filed by an attorney for the petitioner on the 10th of this month, according to Fair News Spears.
No word as to what exactly was filed, but rumor has it her team is taking steps to end the conservatorship over Britney the person.
I’ll believe it when I see it.
The rights to her estate and money will remain under the conservators control.
PS – interesting no other outlets reported this! Hmmmm…”
http://www.breatheheavy.com/index.php?subaction=showfull&id=1260778181&archive=&start_from=&ucat=&
December 14th, 2009 at 9:39 am
Fantasy Says:
December 7th, 2009 at 8:56 pm
TMZ Live 12/7/2009 Part 1
4:05-6:43 marks- Ending Britney’s Conservatorship
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
So did Harvey actually get a heads up 3 days ahead of time? I guess we’ll have to wait and see.
December 14th, 2009 at 12:42 pm
Oh dear. Media does take on a life of it’s own.
Meanwhile, thanks Biggie. I am looking forward to the pace. It’s something I have sensed off of our current ABC News instructor. He’s all, “Let’s go! Did you call her yet? Did you get an answer?”
He’s quite calm about it. I like it. Plus I love working on a team.
Steel, our little group is odd. I wonder that our (all of us) controversies over the years (as of Feb.) hasn’t contributed to some sense of vigor. And then of course there was MT. Is MT.
And that dirty old man as MH put it, Doc.
December 14th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
Steel. The more I learn about Courtney and LA Superior the more she makes sense.
December 14th, 2009 at 1:59 pm
Oh, she makes perfect sense. It’s just her way of putting things that’s confusing sometimes.
She thinks creatively. Like a songwriter. Her words all tumble out in one big blur.
December 14th, 2009 at 3:37 pm
Speaking of Courtney Love….
http://www.tmz.com/2009/12/14/courtney-love-daughter-Frances-Bean-Cobain-guardianship-competency
December 14th, 2009 at 5:26 pm
Wow. That’s just sad for everyone.
December 14th, 2009 at 5:27 pm
QB, what the heck does that mean that notifying Courtney of the time and place of hearing should be dispensed with? And on the next page that they were dispensed with?
December 14th, 2009 at 5:30 pm
Okay. Wait. I just thought of something.
Doesn’t Courtney Love know Sam Lutfi? On her FB she once said that Sam is a nice guy despite what TMZ has said or something like that.
I had a feeling that Courtney’s rants about Britney and Jamie stemmed from whatever Sam had told her. He used her, imo, as his mouth piece to “spread the word” about Jamie abusing Britney. Allegedly. I suppose Sam must have known that if he was the one saying it Jamie and his attys. would slap him with a lawsuit for slander and defamation. Which is similar to what Sam is accusing Lynne and Jamie of. Memba that?
Courtney has no legal rights to Frances.
Britney has no legal or physical rights to her kids. I’m not saying that Sam is to blame for these two women losing it and then losing their children. All I’m doing is making a link.
December 14th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
Anyone recognize the names in the document?
Is that ironic?
You’re right, Steel, it’s just plain sad.
Are they going to yank Frances out of school? Send her to Aberdeen?
Ever been to Aberdeen? Maybe the grandmother and aunt will relocate to L.A. Maybe they already live in L.A.? I can’t imagine anyone asking a 17 year old to up out of school… nah surely no one would ever ask Frances Bean to move to Aberdeen.
Underneath the bridge. It’s okay to eat fish coz they don’t have any feelings.
December 14th, 2009 at 5:41 pm
Fantasy. Courtney lost custody of Frances before and that was long long before Lutfi came into the picture.
The signatures on the document are the same as we’ve seen on Britney related documents. Ahem.
Cough.
And then there is TMZ.
December 14th, 2009 at 5:52 pm
Wyle. Cohen. Goetz.
WOW.
Is this some kind of cottage industry in Los Angeles?
How much do you wanna bet that grandma and aunt were approached by the law firm after Lutfi’s name came up?
Wait, maybe not. That’s not legal, is it?
December 14th, 2009 at 5:55 pm
Amethyst. I know that already.
Does it make things any better or any worse this time around? It certainly did not help Courtney by ranting about Britney like she did. As amusing as it was following Courtney on FB I gotta say that this is a sad thing to have happen to her and especially Frances B.
I don’t think that Sam should take 100% of the blame for Britney being in the situation she is now in. Same goes for Courtney Love. I swear, it’s like anyone who comes in contact with Sam Lutfi ends up in a world of trouble. And they never see it coming because he’s “such a nice guy” and all. Sam is poison. Just my opinion.
December 14th, 2009 at 6:07 pm
What’s sad, in addition, is that Courtney had been protecting the sister and had also made allegations that her funds too had been depleted or tampered with?
Where would Wendy and the aunt have the funds and wherewith all to be in league with the likes of Cohen and company?
I imagine Courtney was or will be dinged for the cost. So who guided Wendy and company to Cohen and company?
——–
If you want to ride….
Who knows.
December 14th, 2009 at 6:09 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 6:07 pm
So who guided Wendy and company to Cohen and company?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Sweet revenge?
December 14th, 2009 at 6:10 pm
Why do I get the feeling that Courtney just learned the hard way not to f@ck with The Machine?
December 14th, 2009 at 6:11 pm
Sorry about the language. With Ronnie MIA it’s getting easier and easier to use. lol
December 14th, 2009 at 6:16 pm
Agence France Presse — English
January 14, 2005
Courtney Love wins back custody of daughter
Troubled diva Courtney Love has won back custody of her 12-year-old daughter, 15 months after the singer-actress’s arrest on drugs charges, Love’s lawyer Friday.
Frances Bean went home to her mother after a judge on Monday ruled that Love was making progress in emerging from more than a year of woes, her attorney Howard Weitzman, said.
“Courtney Love’s daughter, Frances, has been returned to her after a judge indicated satisfaction in Ms. Love’s efforts to turn around her life and found it was in the best interests of mother and daughter to be reunited,” Weitzman said.
Love lost custody of Frances, whose father was the late Nirvana frontman Kurt Cobain, in October 2003 after the singer was arrested after breaking a window at her ex-boyfriend’s home and overdosing on painkillers.
The former Hole singer was arrested for a second time in one night on October 2, 2003, after illegal painkillers were found in her possession after ambulance crews rushed her to hospital following an overdose.
Los Angeles child welfare officials removed Frances from Love’s care and Cobain’s mother, Wendy O’Connor, was named the child’s guardian.
The 40-year-old Love said she was thrilled to resume her life with her daughter by her late husband Cobain, who committed suicide in 1994.
“Life is about choices and I’ve chosen to move forward with my life in a healthy and positive way,” Love said in a statement.
Having my daughter back with me is exciting. I am looking forward to the future in continuing to entertain and create great music,” she added.
December 14th, 2009 at 6:19 pm
# Steel_Magnolia Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 6:09 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 6:07 pm
So who guided Wendy and company to Cohen and company?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Sweet revenge?
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Could it be that simple? Could they have known they’d get her, that there was no need to refute anything because “after this who would listen to her?”
My language is slipping too. I would make the evil grin if I could.
December 14th, 2009 at 6:24 pm
Sorry y’all. I’m not jumping on the conspiracy train. Courtney started going off about Jamie a mere 3 weeks ago. Courtney lost her legal right to Frances this past Friday. So either Frances’s grandma and aunt had already locked down these familiar attorney’s before the rants began or suddenly the process for taking away a child from their mother in now happening at warped speed.
It’s fine with me if we draw different conclusions but I don’t believe that this is a result of Jamie sticking it to Courtney for calling him a child molester. As for there being familiar attys. in this case as is with Britney’s this time I’m chalking it up to be purely coincidental. Agree to disagree, I suppose.
December 14th, 2009 at 6:29 pm
AM, I wasn’t talking about grandma and Wendy.
I was talking about who may have introduced the legal team to them in the first place.
December 14th, 2009 at 6:30 pm
And, heck, I don’t even know that it happened that way. But I know if I was JS, I wouldn’t be too happy about CL’s rants. Or to hear about who may have fed her that information to begin with.
December 14th, 2009 at 6:31 pm
The notice thing is interesting. As everyone knows, a fundamental aspect of due process is that an individual is entitled to notice and a hearing before their rights are affected by the courts.
However, there are exceptions to the notice requirement. We all know that Brit did not receive notice before the conservatorship went into effect because the conservators felt that giving notice to Brit would be like giving notice Lutfi.
In Courtney’s case they may not have given her notice prior to the hearing because they worried about her reaction and maybe feared she would take her daughter and run off somewhere.
What is interesting to me is that the Petitioner lists Frances Cobain in addition to her grandmother and aunt.
Children over 13 have the right to consent or object to a proposed guardian. A probate investigator may have interviewed her already. Lastly, Frances is 17 and she will turn 18 in a few months then she will be free unlike Brit.
I feel sorry both for Brit and Courtney. No mother wants to lose her children but both have/had serious problems they need to deal with.
Going back to money, I’m pretty sure the guardians do not have the money to pay for these proceedings or the law firm so Courtney will foot the bill just like Brit.
I mean, Jamie does not have to pay for any of his attorney fees.
I would love to know what information the Goetz had available to her when she made her ruling. Could her rants against Jamie be “Exhibit A”. This latest maneuver may shut up Courtney or embolden her.
Frances will turn 18 soon, Courtney would likely get supervised visits and possibly mandatory psychiatric evluation/counseling. Oh how sad; it is literally like Brit’s saga only Courtney is not under a conservatorship but her daughter is under a court appointed guardianship.
December 14th, 2009 at 7:11 pm
One thing we don’t know about is how long Lutfi has been in Courtney’s life. For all we know, this has been going on a LOT longer than the recent Facebook rants.
December 14th, 2009 at 7:13 pm
I’ll ask this question again…
What provoked Courtney’s recent rants about Jamie?
If Lutfi was already on the scene (and could’ve been for months, for all we know) then perhaps grandma and Wendy saw the rants as the “final straw”? Who knows.
December 14th, 2009 at 7:16 pm
http://www.cbc.ca/arts/music/story/2009/12/14/love-daughter-cobain.html
December 14th, 2009 at 7:19 pm
QB, great post at 6:31. I don’t think Frances turns 18 until August 2010? I didn’t spend much time searching or cross-proofing.
I saw that too about Frances being a petitioner .. a minor can hire their own lawyer?
I didn’t think Courtney had been any trouble in recent years. Has she? I hope that she will tell her side.
Fantasy. Steel and I are just doing our usual of exploring every side. That’s an interesting theory you have Steel.
Then there is wondering if any of this guardianship thing has to do with Courtney wanting to transfer her daughter’s trust to Northern or Wells Fargo where it “would be safe.”
It’s hard to unravel this part of the story but it involves Frances Bean.
December 14th, 2009 at 7:24 pm
Amethyst Mine Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 7:19 pm
Then there is wondering if any of this guardianship thing has to do with Courtney wanting to transfer her daughter’s trust to Northern or Wells Fargo where it “would be safe.”
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Safe from who? If Lutfi is the one telling her to do this, then…??
I can see where Courtney would appear unstable…There’s clearly lots going on behind closed doors that we don’t know about…But what was the tipping point?
Regardless, this story just took a really interesting turn!
December 14th, 2009 at 7:36 pm
The idea that Lutfi may have had anything to do with another woman losing custody her children is sickening.
I wanted to mention that it is much harder to take a child away from a biological parent than for one parent to win custody against another parent.
The courts favor keeping children with their parents which is why Courtney eventually regained custody of her daughter in the first place.
Just like Brit’s conservatorsip, Frances’ guardianship was probably weeks in the making and we the public is just finding out about it now which is why it seems so shocking and sudden. I wonder if Courtney is doing drugs again.
December 14th, 2009 at 7:37 pm
Safe from BPOC and the Tyee guy.
December 14th, 2009 at 7:48 pm
btw, and this is just for fun, you think I am in league with the devil or have an agenda just because some others pick up “unique” content at FNS?
I think Breatheheavy does belong as a fave on FNS. I think we all visit it and there are people out there who have never heard of a Britney Spears fan site as silly as that may seem to us these days.
I also think it’s amusing that people who treat JFX and its posters … use us to generate fresh copy for their own sites.
As MT might say, “we” know more than what has been sold.
Meanwhile, I heard this in the car today and thought to Britney. I guess I wasn’t the only one based on the video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5tNLrTXPKk
December 14th, 2009 at 8:04 pm
QB. Courtney said the other day she has been clean and sober for six years.
She has hopeful things going on like a new album coming out.
Anyway, it doesn’t sound like Frances had to go to Aberdeen last time (thank gawd).
As for Sam is it guilt by association?
I guess I don’t want to think that deep tonight. I’d like to think overall it’s a good world and I think that it is but some days you know? Like TMZ. They bring me down when I think of their lowest lows and then masquerading as a cross the board reputable news source.
We’re fair.
We’re right. Follow us and you’ll find we’re right.
Media is quoting us.
We fact check.
(really? across the board or selectively?)
December 14th, 2009 at 8:43 pm
http://www.examiner.com/x-30363-Canada-Celebrity-Examiner~y2009m12d14-Kurt-Cobains-mother-and-sister-have-gained-temporary-custody-of-his-daughter-Frances-Bean
We weren’t the only ones to make that connection.
December 14th, 2009 at 8:47 pm
“Recently, Love tweeted that Britney Spears was molested by her father Jamie Spears. Interesting to note that Geraldine Wyle represents Jamie Spears and the same Judge that put Britney in conservatorship, Reba Goetz is the same judge involved in the Frances Bean custody issue.”
same source for those on the fly
December 14th, 2009 at 9:10 pm
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/12/exclusive-interview-courtney-loves-lawyer-says-star-will-do-whats-best-daughter
December 14th, 2009 at 10:56 pm
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20327109,00.html
“This doesn’t necessarily mean that Courtney Love is an unfit mother and has completely lost custody,” says L.A. probate attorney Jeffrey S. Cohen, who’s not involved with the case. “It’s too early to say. It could be because she’s simply going out of state for a long period of time.”
henh?
December 15th, 2009 at 12:26 am
Oops. Grandma IS Wendy. Kim is Frances’ aunt. I was getting my merds wixed.
December 15th, 2009 at 12:42 am
I think the reason why Courtney lost custody of her daughter is the same reason Brit lost custody: erractic/irresponsible behavior puts child at risk necessitating a change in custody.
I have reason to believe that Frances is on board with her grandmother and her aunt taking over since she was listed as one of the petitioners and as a 17 year old the court will give a great deal of weight to what she wants and who she wants to live with.
I have no doubt that Frances love her mother but I’m guessing that her grandma can provide a more stable/less chaotic environment right now.
December 15th, 2009 at 12:49 am
Courtney Love Cobain
10 minutes ago
ahhh geraldyne
December 15th, 2009 at 12:52 am
QB, you’re probably right.
From the CBC article:
“In an interview with Harper’s Bazaar last year, Frances Bean said her paternal grandmother was the one consistent person in her life.
“She’s probably the person I respect most out of anybody in the world,” she said.”
From Courtney’s lawyer:
“All I can tell you as Courtney’s friend is that she loves her daughter more then anything in the world. Courtney will no doubt do what is best for Frances and will surely take her teenage daughter’s desire and feelings into consideration with respect to the legal guardian issue.”
December 15th, 2009 at 10:17 am
http://www.mikecann.net/search/label/Courtney Love Cobain
It’s too early in the morning to try to decipher this:
“A message left here by Courtney Love Cobain. I deleted it and re-posted because she left her phone number for me to call and I don’t want her to get inundated with a million phone calls….
daves my “firned” but friends are supposed to arent they be people you talk to about everything right? dave is a very veru honourable guy…
www,acdsp.com/clc name naughty password naughty you have to sign in and out three times for security reasonsd unless you talk to adam and tell him your invesyigating this, if you want to alk to me my number is xxx xxx xxxx 1st just wanted me ti undenfiy them for losing 2.2 million dollars that wietzman used a forged poeer of attirney to spen, either that or he and rich feldstien ( one of britneys and BIIIG coa in the pboc in fact hes not only in teh same building at 10100 santa monica blvdhis suite is i believe 1700 pboc is 2500 and micheal jacksons mothers last layer adam cousin of barba who is with lester knispel bu who is not fucked by the pboc…”
December 15th, 2009 at 10:20 am
From Mike’s original article:
“Courtney Love Loses Custody of Daughter
How does this happen in California when Frances lives in NYC and the grandmother doesn’t seem to live in California? Just a few months before Frances turns 18 and takes over her trust fund?
Raising more questions, the lawyer who represented Frances Bean and grandmother, Wendy O’Connor? Attorney Geraldine Wyle? Wyle also represented Jaime Spears in the case to set up the conservatorship for Britney Spears. So what? Well didn’t Courtney Love Cobain just weeks ago blast Jaime Spears on her facebook alleging that he molested his daughter? Didn’t Love Cobain write that the Spears conservatorship was a form of slavery? Yes, she did.
Just a random coincidence? Or something more?
Courtney Love Cobain vs. Hollywood and the mob lawyers, heating up?”
http://www.mikecann.net/2009/12/courtney-love-loses-custody-of-daughter.html
December 15th, 2009 at 11:20 am
Amethyst Mine Says:
July 22nd, 2009 at 6:17 pm
Jan 8 Order for commission and subpoena’s in LA to subpoena Howard Grossman, Richard Feldstein, Mabel Tash and Kenneth Hertz. (all non-party aka third party?)
December 15th, 2009 at 11:31 am
http://www.nksf.com/index.php?section=articles
December 15th, 2009 at 11:34 am
AM, Did that Jan. 8th order happen to have anything to do with WEG? Was that WEG subpoena-ing all of B’s business managers that existed between Dec. ‘06 and Feb. ‘07?
Maybe not. Just asking.
December 15th, 2009 at 12:24 pm
Morning Steel. It might be easier to call the “business managers” what they are: CPAs.
‘one of britneys and BIIIG coa in the pboc in fact..’
Is she saying that Adam is one of the “clean” ones?
Very nice find from the past. Yes that was WEG.
December 15th, 2009 at 12:29 pm
Steel_Magnolia Says:
December 10th, 2009 at 11:58 pm
A settlement with Eardley? Interesting. Very interesting!
What was Eardley claiming, I wonder?
My hunch on the finances? I doubt Sam even touched them until October 2007 (when he officially started as “manager.” Think of those e-mails between him and Grossman – it was Grossman that was in a position of power, not Sam.)
If the finances got mucked up before that, it was someone else who did it (apart from Grossman). But again, that’s just a hunch.
December 15th, 2009 at 12:31 pm
Four CPA’s subpoena’d.
Eliminate Grossman, National Trust and Adam from the mix (as they were B’s choices).
Who are we left with?
December 15th, 2009 at 12:33 pm
And, are any of those three now re-instated to handle B’s accounting, present day?
December 15th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
It’s kind of amazing that CLC’s blog posts from today (and the past 3 weeks) are answering the exact same questions that we’ve been asking for the past two years. IMO.
December 15th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
On the financial end of things, I mean.
I still don’t believe the nasty claims against Jamie (re: molestation). But I’ll give CLC credit – her facts about the $$$ are checking out.
December 15th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
Maybe.
And now I rebuke the spirit of AM.
AMAMAMAMAMAMAMAMAMAMAMAMAMAMAMAM!
December 15th, 2009 at 1:03 pm
Steel. I tried CLC’s peoplefinder.com
BTI comes up along with a number of businesses associated with it.
http://www.peoplefinders.com/search/searchpreview.aspx
December 15th, 2009 at 1:12 pm
This is Courtney’s private investigator.
http://www.nazarianandassociates.com/44763.html
http://desperateexes.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/courtneylovenypost.jpg
December 15th, 2009 at 1:13 pm
QB. By the way, Courtney says on FB that there is no question of custody.
December 15th, 2009 at 1:22 pm
Holy sh@t, AM. This is like a Rubik’s Cube slowly clicking into place!
WEG was on to something all along. IMO.
P.S. Do I have to register for peoplefinders to view what you’re looking at?
December 15th, 2009 at 1:27 pm
‘”tell him the lady who grabbed frances is the same lady who “reps” frances this is entirely about money and shes too young to know i have the money that there is and the power. she gets barely any, thats the problem, she gets barely any should be alot more. but shes being stupidigniorant and i didnt raise a spears i raised a cobain, wich has nothing to do with kim wendy or least of all brieanne whose just a devil child she wont have any of her friends, shes lost entirely her repitation and dragged herself into jerry springer tabloid circus, im extremely dissapointed in her, but this woman is the SAME woman oppressing britneys rights and not allowing her counsel shes dug her own grave. her granmother is a malignant narcissist her aunts are both copius marijuana smokers and alchoholics. i let her see them and support them cos of her otherwise id have cut them off years ago, kurt hated them.”
December 15th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
Courtney is responding to a post I put on mikecann’s site and copied to her. It details the Johnny Wright players so to speak. (it’s nothing we haven’t talked about here but I wanted to let you know what that message was in response to.)
December 15th, 2009 at 1:33 pm
No, just click on the business tab, enter Britney. It’s #77. I don’t get the “associated” businesses.
Rubik cube. Good analogy.
December 15th, 2009 at 2:17 pm
The funny thing was, CL was defending Kurt’s sister in her rants, was she not?
December 15th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
RF is the Registered Agent for “Britney Brands Inc.” and “Britney Films Inc.”
Interesting that his name would come up this morning in a post by CLC.
Hmmm.
“The Brand”
December 15th, 2009 at 2:30 pm
There are two entries for “Britney Brands Inc” with two different Registering Agents.
Rats. Do I have to pay $30 to get the goods on this? lol
December 15th, 2009 at 2:35 pm
Wait, they have two different sets of Associated Businesses.
2. BRITNEY BRANDS, INC
STONE COMPUTER, INC
BRITNEY TOURING, INC
ONE MORE TIME MUSIC, INC
BRITNEY FILMS, LTD
7. BRITNEY BRANDS, INC
BUCKCHERRY WORLDWIDE LLC
ZOE PROPERTIES INC
STEELY DAN, IN
ZANDU PRODUCTIONS, INC D/B/A/ ZANDU PRODUCTIONS, INC OF DELAWARE
STU BILLETT PRODUCTIONS, INC
THE PERPETUAL MOTION COMPANY
TREVOR RABIN PRODUCTIONS, INC
But…
Both are associated with
8. BRITNEY TOURING, INC
December 15th, 2009 at 2:38 pm
MARK TWAIN Says:
November 7th, 2008 at 12:35 pm
The Queen on the other end in not an individual piece. It is the collective, The Master plan, The Control. It is the most powerful piece on their end because it is the idea and the driving force and the grip on the “Brand”.
December 15th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
AM, I’m not sure who MC is, but it looks like you’ve found an ally.
December 15th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
http://www.tmz.com/2009/12/15/britney-crushes-into-a-store/
Harsh.
December 15th, 2009 at 3:50 pm
AM, here’s another connection…or an explanation, at least…
RF was “…a partner at Gelfand, Rennert & Feldman before co-founding…”
Check out who the Registering Agent is for:
8. BRITNEY TOURING, INC
December 15th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
Question…
Why are there TWO companies called “Britney Brands Inc.” and TWO companies called “Britney Touring Inc.”??
Just wondering.
December 15th, 2009 at 4:10 pm
Hi, Steel. I went outside.
You got farther than I did using peoplefinder.
Great job!
Here’s what I come up with just looking for Britney and then finding BTI that way. Britney is listed as the president.
* ERDENE MATERIALS CORPORATION
* ERDENE MATERIALS CORPORATION
* WEBCAM LIVE LLC
* ZENTRUM NAKERS USA INC
* STANTEC PLANNING AND LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURE PC
* JO NIC MANAGEMENT LLC
* GLOBAL DYNAMICS USA INC